I think you're now discovering why compacting trash trucks were invented in the first place, lol. An operation of even modest size will eventually have to move past a non-compacting open trailer. I enjoy this series so far, and I hope the business works out well, Brad. Lookin' forward to part two!
@@CopperCreekCuts How From Permits to license to equipment logo the website and everything to start a lawn care business I live NC And I want to form You how much will it be in total im 14.
@@SABCSOwell you can visit certain websites, and you can get an AI generated logo (free on some sites) and you will have to form an LLC with the state of NC (when I formed mine in Louisiana in 2021 it costed me $125 and might vary per state) as for advertising you can print up the advertisements yourself at home with your logo from the website site mentioned before and put them in mailboxes around the neighborhood Hope this helps!
I was a diesel mechanic for one of the big 3 waste companies in the US and have worked on all kinds of garbage trucks. Coming solely from a reliability and ease of maintenance standpoint you can not beat a rear loader. Automatic side loader trucks have many more moving parts that will break, wear, and fail along with much more complex hydraulic and electrical systems that become a nightmare to repair as they age. A rear loader is generally very straightforward and has far less to repair or break on them.
Not sure if you thought of this, but a rear load would open the door for one time bulk pickups of trash (Like old mattresses, household cleanup, etc), and from what I see on other channels that do the bulk pickups, a few of those jobs a month could possibly pay for the loan on the rear load truck. Just a thought.. Plus if you can tow with it, the stormwater cleanup would be a home run with trash and brush..
You won't be able to tow anything with a rear load, or really any garbage truck to be honest. You're already pushing max GVWR just from the weight of the bed and the trash inside of it. If that wasn't bad enough, the tail gate has to lift on a rear load so the ejector blade can push the trash out of the bed, so you couldn't add a hitch even if you wanted to.
Clear thoughts, man. All checks out. The truck sales are going to make lots of money. Where I love, our county just does pickup, all paid thru property taxes. One dude on back, one driver. Manually load neighborhood after neighborhood manually in the back of a full size rear loader. If they can, so can you. Make sure you get a good warranty is all I say. No deductibles, that just gives incentive for them to keep taking money.
Hey man, love the videos so I decided to leave some comments about isuzu trucks in general: - They're super super reliable, can do 300k miles easily no problems; - To tip the cab, open the doors, you'll do a lot less effort rather than doors closed; - If it's cheaper, buy a manual, they're the same as the auto, which is just an automated manual; - The maintenance is super easy to do, everything is super accessable, I've changed 3 clutches on my parents, and it's super easy to do; - The suspension can be quite rough when they're unloaded, over bumps and stuff you can feel it quite well, but some of the bigger models (like this nqr) have a hydraulic piston under the driver's seat. Hope this helps, and I very mich recommend isuzu stuff as I've never had any issues with them!
Awesome stuff. I've driven the Isuzu for furniture delivery, and for a grocery distributor, the turn radius and handling on those things us awesome, feels like driving a regular car.
Smart man dividing the routes into days as you expand your customer base. Remember you can up sale to got junk bulk items, which you can crush with the packer blade. ✌️
I know nothing about the garbage-related equipment, but Isuzu makes some indestructible engines, especially the 4jj series. Definitely a good potential purchase from that perspective.
Their frame rails always make me laugh. Looks like swiss cheese 😂 I'm sure they're perfectly fine. We've got an NPR at my work with almost 150k miles and no breakdowns yet
If a towbar can be fitted, then a rear loader could be used for your green waste from jobs you do that require the trimmings to be removed. Also, depending on compaction rates, an 8 yard vehicle will take 24 yards of waste. The ram at the front is usually positioned about 3/4 of the way towards the back when you start and moved back as needed. This maximises waste compaction.
@@CopperCreekCuts This is an inside industry tip, don't read the owners manual or you'd think it was just for pushing the load out. 😅 3/4+ is fine just watch out for concrete/steel furniture first thing it'll mess the wall up. ✌️
@@CopperCreekCuts oh I have another story behind this, our newest trucks are an extra yard longer, making overloads far to easy(we'd intentionally load the piss out of them, just to see how much weight it could take) and I informed the new supervisor(only commercial exp) it was industry to move the wall back but the manual said otherwise. 😅
I stumbled upon your videos maybe at your second week or third, and I must say I enjoy your content. I saw you uploaded this and I got excited, made my coffee and clicked play. Keep up the awesome stuff and hope the best for ya!
It’s amazing to see how your trash business is growing I highly recommend in the future you should go to waste expo and check out all the difference products around America
another Rear load tip the ejection panel or “wall” after you get 15-20 stops on when you can do what we call “backblading” you push that wall back farther when you have trash on it so it compacts it even more. i drive a 25 yarder with out doing that we only get 9-10.5 Ton with backblading i can get 11-13 ton.
@@CopperCreekCuts absolutely, with the low amount you have you won’t need to do it, in the 25 yarder i drive i pick up around 400ish stops including bulk material (couches, mattress, dressers etc) so back blading is necessary. but you are very low with customers so i would be confident you could fit a whole month worth of trash on that truck.
Just watched this for a 2nd time because you had started to mention $. I have been watching prices for some time and they are coming down. Patience is Key. I like to build a business, it is good for the soul to be self employed. I will definitely get a rear load because I do rural routes myself and the sides of the road will make hooking up the trash bin harder. looking forward to Part 2.
This series is amazing! Crazy how you are on the road to getting a very nice rear loader! Once you do get it like another comment said you could do rentals for events etc. I wish you luck on your incredible journey! :D
Never thought I'd be excited about videos covering trash, but I'm on the edge of my seat lol. All the best, brad. Also, the way you talk about buying or waiting and it may end up costing you more if you wait is exactly the type of math that I use and my wife calls 'Earl math'.
If you start the ejector blade away from the cab, the blade will move towards the cab as the trash gets piled up. Sometimes if the sweep blade starts to allow trash to escape, you may have to manually adjust the ejector blade. Now that cart tipped is one of the best out there (Barker). We have them on our rear loaders and they are fast! Good cart tippers can make your days fast and easy, or slow and frustrating.
I worked for GFL when the contract renewed, they were 30/70 split rears with organics tipper on the curbside, and they flipped them forcing us to walk the totes into the middle of the road and I ended up being able to lift the tote without adjusting it's position in relationship to the tipper arm. I was just glad I wasn't on recycling anymore, they got Heil brand body's and could no longer cycle on the fly, the poor bastards went from 8-10 to 12-14 hours to complete routes. This happens when head office thinks, we're doing everything by company/safety policy and can cheap out on a hydraulic controller. 😅
Congrats on expanding on your business.. Also in regards to greasing grease points consider looking into if theres an option for automatic greasing. And new trucks dol a lot of pre work checkout for you so it could be that the car dosent come with an oil pin.
Believe it or not Brad, you are actually making sense with me on this one. I really like the 2nd truck you took a look at, you know, the Neway one that isn't a hack job, where it actually has dedicated buttons and labels for which match their functions? Yep, your business appears to be expanding quite fast, on the can orders. Reality is, people need trash pickup service, and your company probably has the best rates in the county. In turn that will cause you to put out more cans, make more business, and thus, makes a garbage truck make sense. I really hope you buy that 2nd truck, I really like it!
I have a 2020 Isuzu NPR landscape truck. They are awesome trucks to have. I have the gas engine, with stop and go lawn care routes I figured be better for us. I have had 2 Isuzu cab over npr over the past 22 years and whould not trade it for nothing. Good luck with your search.!! Take care..!
Check with the issue's of the DEF fluid and being a truck that starts and stops. I know we have our fire trucks that are having issues because of this. They dont operate at high enough temps to clean. I know my personal F350 goes into clean mode more locally than when Im towing our 5th wheel. I truly believe thats why the older pre DEF trucks are staying higher in price. It never hurts to look at vehicles. I do it all the time. When I see a great deal I jump on it. Good Luck. Thanks for the idea of can liners. We have self service convience centers here and my family likes to drop everything in the can. I realized i just needed those instead of getting upset at them. Especially with the kitty litter.
Well pre-DEF do tend to be more reliable, but what it sounds like you are referring to is the soot burn off from the DPF (diesel particulate filter) which was the first stage of diesel emissions systems that were mandated for '07 and is a separate system to what the DEF gets used for. So if you want one that is truly no emissions control reliability issues then you have to go pre '07. Edit: although upon looking now, it seems that it may have evolved more since Iast looked and seems like they are making the DPF smaller and more integrated with the other parts of the DEF injector and SCR
When we finish our route we have a 17ish minute ride to the landfill. If there is no traffic we can go 60 mph. Hopefully the trip there and back will be good for solving that issue? I guess we will see!
Just from the numbers you’ve said and a couple other factors, looking at the 200 cans and above metrics vs getting a Garbage Truck now it is definitely worth it. Especially if you’re looking at growing past that and move towards a few hundred or even thousand cans. I’d definitely say put a little more investment into the truck as soon as you get it and immediately paint on orange and plaster your logos on it right away, as someone who when in college took a lot of marketing courses having that iconic truck that everyone just ‘knows’ is Baker County Trash Pickup is easily on of the best forms of marketing. Loving the videos, keep up the great work, I’m trying to build up the courage to start my own business in asphalt painting and a few other outdoor services it’s good to see the in & outs of your business and whatnot.
Thanks for the tips! I am thinking the cost to paint the WHOLE thing may be more than I want, but don't know yet. I think a good compromise would be to at least paint/wrap the cab orange, and then decal the refuse body.
@@CopperCreekCuts no worries! Yea that can definitely be a considerable cost, have you looked at doing the paint job yourself? I saw Victory Outdoor Services (Concrete channel) do it to his 4-5 machines and it seemed like a pretty cost effective way to do it and get your branding applied, sure he put in a good week I think to get them done but he saved a ton. Alternatively the wrap might be a good idea even if it’s just the cab with a big ol logo on the doors and the front. Either way glad to see things are moving well with the company and the possibility of getting a truck is a more realistic option given the cheaper entry level cost for a half decent truck and the fact the company has a steady increase of clients. Keep up the great work.
I started watching your channel several months back. I find the ventrac awesome. I live outside of Baton Rouge,La I have garbage pickup twice a week, wednesday and saturday. For $35.23 a month I usually only put out my can once a week since I don't have alot of trash. I hope this new business venture works out for you.
Consider this fella. You should have more options with your dump trailer. 1. Deliver landscape materials. Advertise, mulch, rocks, sand etc...mark up the price and charge a delivery fee. Advertise bulk pick up or even clean outs. Why did you order 200 cans with such slow growth. 50 sounds about right. Place a 4x2 left to right in front and the rear of the trailer, over the tarp with a quick release on top to combat the tarp flopping and losing trash. With that tarp flopping it's gonna rip eventually. Install a quick inline battery disconnect for the hydrolics. You buying that 300 dollar tilt thing for 2,000 deserves a punch in the gut from everybody here on UA-cam. Live the video's fella 💯
Cans are from SC and have a month lead time (minimum) and about $900 in freight. Buying more than I needed made the most sense rather than small bits that would give long windows of time where I couldn't add customers because I was out of cans. I don't want to get into delivery work with the dump trailer. I am looking for the simplest, easiest way to pay my bills and the trash route is it! Thanks for the tips on the dump trailer, I appreciate it!
Congratz on the recent growth and needing to scale the truck up! There must be a minimum number of cans per week for which the compactor truck combined to the removal of liners would pay for itself. Will probably be the easiest decision when you soon get there. Thanks for sharing!
Great to see the business growing and I hope the truck works out well once you get one! Have you thought about offering services to commercial customers, like small mom and pop businesses or restaurants? Maybe some type of deal on a larger quantity of cans? Might be a good option to expand once you get a truck.
The flap that you were lifting up at time stamp 9:36 is the engine heater plug that you plug in a standard 120v extension cord that will heat up a electric element in the engine that makes it easier to start in the winter because diesel engines can be very hard to get started in the winter. I think that you are very smart for wanting to buy a garbage truck because you buying a garbage truck would help you save time and it would help you save money because you wouldn't have to stop in the middle of your route to go to the county dump to empty the dump trailer and then drive back to your route and instead by you buying a trash truck then you would be able to complete your route and you would only have to go to the county dump once a day instead of going to the county dump multiple times a day.
11:45 they're door pins to prevent the tailgate from popping open while on route or pressure loose, when the hydraulic seals wear and oil slip passed. Remember to pull them at the landfill before backing into the tipping face and save yourself a walk on the unstable muddy ground. ✌️
This looks like fun shopping. I can see why you would want a new truck if you aren't mechanically inclined at all but you may be capable of more than you think. Visiting and paying for mechanics is a pain though. Like you said you don't know what's wrong with it besides the brake booster. I'm a fan of used/high mileage vehicles as long as the engine and transmission are in good shape. Ugly trucks with dents and scratches are a great way to save money.
Isuzus are great trucks! Really tough and easy to work on. Guy in town here has one and it has a 8 yard body. All he does is bulk pickup and last time i talked to him he was saying he makes pretty good money hauling bulk trash and yard waste. He brings it by for oil changes and brake jobs twice a year.
Half a lifetime ago back when I was doing landscape/yard service. I thought about getting a a little 5-8yd compactor truck like one of those just to offer a on-demand yard waste pick up. Like leaves, light brush, etc because I had space to dump and chip it up into rough low grade mulch. Or just pile and burn, spread ashes and till into peanut fields. Never really got past the planning stage. But seeing this gets me thinking about it again. Thing about a rear loader is it's a simpler piece of equipment. As long as the chassis it's on is still good, you can just re body it. Same if the compactor body is good but the chassis is junk. Put your body on another and go along. It's harder to do that with a more specialized reaching side loader.
They do have alot of good looking trucks! Personally i could never justify the price tag. I have never spent more than $6,000 on a garbage truck. I tend to buy trucks from the mid 80s that are more mechanical and have less electronics. Spend a few thousand to refurbish them and they have been extremely reliable. But i think thoes isuzus are pretty good especially for what you would be doing. I love watching your journey. Keep up the hard work!
I like your style! I don't have the knowledge, ability, or local expertise to pull that off just yet. Hoping I can take good care of this truck and between that and the limited use since I am such a small size it will last a LONG time.
We have those at our work and they are pretty nice little trucks. I would say that would be something great for a small route. also love the video I am a garbage truck driver and enjoy watching what you do.
Great thinking Brad. And I agree with everything; well said. And you bring up a great point at 5:43. You could buy it at the right time, and have it with you for when you do feel the need to retire the dump trailer. But while you still use the dump trailer, you could get stickers or new paint on the truck *if you desire*. Then when it’s ready to get on the road, you could sell the Dump Trailer for some Good profit, and also maybe do some more advertising, take on more customers, and consider expanding your service area if you start doing well; and Boom. Your company could start to take off.
Keep the dump trailer and offer it as an alternative to a roll off. People In my area like to run them and advertise them as less risk to damaging a driveway
Good tips, thank you! I would lean towards just selling the dump rather than managing rentals on it. Not the business I want to be in and I keep everything at my property, which is tight on space, so getting the dump trailer gone would help a lot. Maybe a walkthrough video of the setup at home would be worth showing?
That new truck seems used. Bent pins, hydraulic controls rusted in Florida!!! Might want to look at a different company. Longevity might be a problem with that brand of garbage box. Hino is a good brand though.
I would buy the rear loader, sell the dump trailer, and double efforts to fill the route. The side loader comes with the added headache of jumping out of the truck to get a can lined up such that the arm can grab it.
You have to get out to hook the can to the tipper anyway, lining up the call just takes practice; and I used to leave the tote tipper straight down, instead of up in the travel position, making it easier to see in the mirror. ✌️
I would go for something bigger. Always. You can go for smaller but don't know what the future of your business will do. If it will grow or not. That way you dont need to worry about getting a bigger trash truck or trading it in.
Part of the issue is what's in stock and on sale versus what I can afford and actually drive. I guess a 10 yard could still be under CDL, but they don't have any in stock or at that price point.
Hey i still love your vids but i just thought of something that you might or might not have. A side loader might actually be a bad investment. Compared to rear loader, because you are a rural service, the side loader is great for streets where everyone leave there bins on the curb. Yours seem to leave them near their gates or inside their drivewayesque turn offs. So you would need to get out of the truck anyway. And the side loader might have to have more maintenance because it has more moving parts then a rear loader. (the retractable arm)
Hope the next video is day 1 with this or a similar truck. I think its the right choice to grow it under your business since its still growing and you're already running into physical (yours and the trailers) limits - this will move to save you time and pay itself off.
I'd definitely go with the new way. we got the larger "normal" size ones at the company i work for and they're so easy to work on. a lot simpler than all the other body manufacturers.
i work in the industry and this is about the only advice i can give assuming u havent bought already. small companies are notorious for being bought out by bigger companies so good investment either way and even if we assume u avg to 7-9 NEW customers a week ur looking about about 32 new customers a month i would wait and see if u have stable customers staying with u and also u can use ur trash truck for "touch a truck" weeks in ur local community free advertising and will increase ur overall rep in the town u live in for ur other lines of business, and the right offs ull get are nice ur lunches ur fuel ur services and of course the truck its a win win ur growing and theres no reason to keep buiying liners that cost will only go up but that payment will stay the same
Did not see that coming...but interesting to see the under cdl weight restricted units. Never seen one before. Certainly Izuzu makes a great product. Looks like a good pairing of truck and utility unit. Will be interesting to follow your process on the truck upgrade.
@@CopperCreekCuts No problem. I've worked for 6 different trash/recycling companies, with a decade of experience and it appears many career guys are here imparting our knowledge. You are getting decades worth of information from just our comments. 😅 ✌️
Whats good with rear load is you can also start offering bulk pickup along with normal trash. I drive a front load curato can myself and have also helped with bulk pickups. With an ASL side load, you might have to have your customers put their cans out closer to the street, so you can come by, grab the can, dump, and go.
I love being on this journey with you. A truck like that makes sense. Will your wife be more comfortable with driving a rear loader? That might be one of the last things to truly streamline your workflow, as far as I can think of :) Also: toucans!
Etwas, you will be disappointed. I missed a 'toucan' in today's video and cringed when I realized it. Already edited and behind schedule, I was forced to upload it, knowing I had failed you! :D My wife drove the garbage truck (we got a pac mac like the one shown) last Monday and liked it! We will cover that in a future video!
So this might be a slightly dumb idea and maybe it's going to cost more than what I think. What would happen if you took your current dump trailer had somebody fabricate a metal roof over top of it and then also fabricate a compactor at the front of the trailer that pushes it all back towards the door. So you can still do your side loading with your trailer and then when the trash gets built up where you can't put any more in you activate the hydraulic RAM that pushes it all to the back towards the door and maybe even compacts it a little bit. It won't compact it as much as an actual compactor but it still might do a little bit. The downsides I can think of doing that though is your doors might not be able to handle the pressure and might bend the pins and the door. So you might have to reinforce the door. But my thoughts are you could probably find a hydraulic ram for a couple thousand dollars you would have maybe $2,000 in metal to build the sliding wall that would attach to the RAM and then maybe a couple thousand to have somebody fabricated for you. Maybe for $10,000 you can make your trailer last a whole lot longer then. I'd be curious to see anybody else's ideas on this does anybody think it's a good idea bad idea maybe I need to explain it better
I like the idea just more time, effort, and money than I want to deal with. I don't love the idea of dumping a lot of money (no pun intended) into something that will still require me to spend hundreds on liners a month, manually lift the trash, etc.
Loving this series so far! Would it not be more practical to get a side loader right off the bat as opposed to getting a rear load then a side loader? Also thinking a side loader might be more practical for you since you won’t need someone driving the truck and you (or someone else) dumping the trash (I know you said your wife wants to drive the truck but idk if she’d be comfortable driving a rig like that). This series popped up in my suggested a few days ago and have watched every one so far lol Best of luck on the new business!!
Thanks for watching! I cover some of that in the video. The biggest issue would the the amount of time between now and when I could buy a side load (I can't afford one right now, I CAN afford this rear load).
@@CopperCreekCuts that’s fair too, and ALSO you could keep the rear load, for when you grow the business to eventually needing 2 trucks. You could have a team in the rear load, and a guy in the side load 🧐
Would you park the garbage truck at your house? I noticed in some prior videos that you appear to live in a nice neighborhood. I could see neighbors getting upset with a garage truck being parked next door all the time. With that being said I think a garage truck would be super cool and hope you’re able to make the numbers work out!
We would be parking it at home. I would clean it after every weekly route, but not enough experience to know if that would eliminate smells. No HOA so thankfully aside from being mad they couldn't do anything. The plan is to keep it spotless and behind a fence so no call for much anger.
I’ve been looking at some cars recently for a first car, and I will suggest; take your time, wait for some deals, maybe go to some other dealers. I know we’re looking for very different vehicles but it’s a similar concept :)
It makes sense to invest in a truck because you don’t want to be stuck in a place where your business is growing rapidly but you don’t have a large enough vehicle to keep up with the growth.
In the end you will buy one, so how long do you want to wait?🤔 Judging from the last videos your trailer wil be full really soon and than you have to drive to the dump a second time with only a few bags in there. And your argument about the liners is pretty convincing😊 You should barter with the dealer because there are already a lot of rust spots all around the pac mac.
14:22 😂 story of my life every truck is a little different, no manufacturer places switches and controls in the same spot and hooping into a new truck has you looking everywhere for the simplest of things. Eg the battery switch can be in the cab, near the battery box or anywhere in between. 😅
Nice video! If you have some different body model options to check out for the mini rear loads I'd look at the cart tipper brand as well. I've heard Perkins tippers are nicer than Bayne. Maybe bring one of your cans along or grab one of the dealers cans to trial on the different tippers in case one works/tips better vs another. I agree putting the cost of liners into a truck instead makes more sense.
I would look into the tax benefits. Buying new diesel trucks over a certain weight (often under cdl) for business use have insane write off potential. I believe it’s section 179 and 6000lb weight. You could probably MASSIVELY offset deprecation costs especially w new car depreciation.
I would just take standard depreciation over the 5 year span or whatever. I don't have enough income to need the huge write-off this year (especially with all the other business startup costs).
Also…. With the rear load… can do junk removal, event rentals like church fairs or something…. Side load would only be for big cans. Just my unprofessional opinion
What are your thoughts on a Pro-Pactor Compactor Trailer. I would assume they are cheaper than a trash truck. I’ve seen a 15 yard side hopper which may work for you.
Lol. My mom was watching your videos and thought while You're emptying the containers you could have your wife put the liners in the can just to save a little bit of time
I agree, but the liners only take 5-10 seconds to put it. Not sure the risk of doubling the number of times workers get out of the truck (and risk injury/slip/fall each time) is worth that savings.
One thing I’ll point out is if that trucks dry weight is 19,500lbs without any garbage in the packer body and including yourself in the cab you’ll have to watch your weight. As long as you do not exceed 26,000 lbs you do not need a class B cdl. I would say when you are able to definitely look into get your class B cdl it’ll further you in your new adventure and being able to put more weight on the truck without worrying about being over weight.
Quality research is a sign of serious intent and I think the Isuzu would be a reasonable investment, especially if you’re adding that many cans on a regular basis
Mate, since when are you a garbo? 🤣 I’ve spent the past few years working for a couple of different local waste companies on the side driving both side arm and rear load garbage trucks. Side arms, especially those we have in Australia which seem a fair bit more advanced and smooth than the US ones I see, are very efficient. I could average over 230 bins an hour when I had good streets so they’re bloody fast, but at the same time there is a hell of a lot to break on them too. Go over to a rear load garbage truck and your bin rate drops substantially but you can do a bit more with them like bulk pickups etc. Personally I love side arms because I don’t have to get out in the rain, I just sit in the cab playing with the joystick lol, but at the same time I don’t know if I’d want to own one myself because they’re the best part of half a million to buy and as mentioned before they’re also extremely maintenance heavy. I’ll see if I can shoot ya some pics and videos of my time side arming last year so you can get an idea of what we’d go through. I’m definitely interested in getting something myself to offer to commercial customers and for waste removal jobs though so I’m keen to see how you go! As to favourite trucks, for rear loaders Isuzus and the old Iveco Accos are very popular here along with Volvo for the larger waste bodies. Side arms my favourite was the Euro 6 Iveco Acco or a Volvo. Try to get a body that has an auto-pack function that keeps cycling the blade too as it will save you a lot of time when doing bulk waste.
if the new is 160k and the used is 30k then with 140,000 miles then that means for every mile you drive the truck depreciated $0.93 cents. i would buy used and find a mobile mechanic or a shop. they could fix most anything the 6 days a week the machine is not used.
You cant calculated like that, the miles means nothing. Can be 100 feet between cans or 2 miles. The condition is important the vehicle itself, being a comercial truck is designed for alot more miles.
I always check the hours on a used truck and if he has the means to buy a new truck they typically come with warranties so if something mechanical happens it’s covered and he could probably negotiate a free rental truck while his is in the shop
If you haven't gotten a CDL, i would seriously look into getting one. Anything commercial will come with scrutiny and trying to talk your way out of tickets is a lot harder if your just barely squeezing by in rules as they will find SOMETHING to catch you on, and having a non-CDL with that truck will definitely make them want to give you the white glove inspection.
I recommend the GMC/Isuzu Rear Loaders, try finding something as "Japanese" style as possible. New Zealand has used these types for decades in some of the most rugid conditions similar to your operations. Many clocking up age and the miles. Isuzus are indestructible, very simplistic diagnostics. Make sure you buy a vehicle that as readily available parts near you, not some random garbage truck with a foreign brand that mechanics near you will not be familiar with, will be very hard to quickly & cheaply fix if it happens to break down naturally.
Even if you eventually got a side load, a rear load in the fleet would be good if offering bulk pickups of bigger bulkier things that don't fit in cans, our trash day the company goes around with both.
If I recall correctly, the Isuzu tow truck I drove required the parking brake to be set for the PTO to engage. I suspect that may be the issue you faced in this video.
Not only would you be putting money into a great work truck instead of trash bags, you will save a bunch of time resulting in even more money. We got to have the right tools for the right job and we have to spend money to make money. Smartly of course.
Whats the market for 2018-2020, im sure youve looked at it but are there used "pre-owned certified" type thing dealers do? Like car sales where you still get a warranty of some type?
I think you're now discovering why compacting trash trucks were invented in the first place, lol. An operation of even modest size will eventually have to move past a non-compacting open trailer. I enjoy this series so far, and I hope the business works out well, Brad. Lookin' forward to part two!
Thank you for the kind words! Yes, the dump trailer is quickly getting outclassed! :D
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How From Permits to license to equipment logo the website and everything to start a lawn care business I live NC And I want to form You how much will it be in total im 14.
@@SABCSOwell you can visit certain websites, and you can get an AI generated logo (free on some sites) and you will have to form an LLC with the state of NC (when I formed mine in Louisiana in 2021 it costed me $125 and might vary per state) as for advertising you can print up the advertisements yourself at home with your logo from the website site mentioned before and put them in mailboxes around the neighborhood
Hope this helps!
I was a diesel mechanic for one of the big 3 waste companies in the US and have worked on all kinds of garbage trucks. Coming solely from a reliability and ease of maintenance standpoint you can not beat a rear loader. Automatic side loader trucks have many more moving parts that will break, wear, and fail along with much more complex hydraulic and electrical systems that become a nightmare to repair as they age. A rear loader is generally very straightforward and has far less to repair or break on them.
Thank you for this advice, it is much appreciated and mirrors some of the other advice from industry experts like yourself.
Not sure if you thought of this, but a rear load would open the door for one time bulk pickups of trash (Like old mattresses, household cleanup, etc), and from what I see on other channels that do the bulk pickups, a few of those jobs a month could possibly pay for the loan on the rear load truck. Just a thought.. Plus if you can tow with it, the stormwater cleanup would be a home run with trash and brush..
Good ideas, thank you!
@CopperCreekCuts my market is bulk waste removal..now I'm looking to add the sanitation route.
You won't be able to tow anything with a rear load, or really any garbage truck to be honest. You're already pushing max GVWR just from the weight of the bed and the trash inside of it.
If that wasn't bad enough, the tail gate has to lift on a rear load so the ejector blade can push the trash out of the bed, so you couldn't add a hitch even if you wanted to.
I always look forward to these videos every week. Makes my week a little better haha.
Thank you for watching!
Clear thoughts, man. All checks out. The truck sales are going to make lots of money. Where I love, our county just does pickup, all paid thru property taxes. One dude on back, one driver. Manually load neighborhood after neighborhood manually in the back of a full size rear loader. If they can, so can you. Make sure you get a good warranty is all I say. No deductibles, that just gives incentive for them to keep taking money.
Thank you for the feedback! I'll make sure and cover the warranties in the update video.
I never expected looking at garbage trucks could be so interesting! LOL
LOL Thanks for giving it a shot!
Hey man, love the videos so I decided to leave some comments about isuzu trucks in general:
- They're super super reliable, can do 300k miles easily no problems;
- To tip the cab, open the doors, you'll do a lot less effort rather than doors closed;
- If it's cheaper, buy a manual, they're the same as the auto, which is just an automated manual;
- The maintenance is super easy to do, everything is super accessable, I've changed 3 clutches on my parents, and it's super easy to do;
- The suspension can be quite rough when they're unloaded, over bumps and stuff you can feel it quite well, but some of the bigger models (like this nqr) have a hydraulic piston under the driver's seat.
Hope this helps, and I very mich recommend isuzu stuff as I've never had any issues with them!
Thanks for all the tips! I don't think the manual is an option, just whatever they have already purchased and is in stock.
Awesome stuff.
I've driven the Isuzu for furniture delivery, and for a grocery distributor, the turn radius and handling on those things us awesome, feels like driving a regular car.
That's how it felt to me, hoping it works well for the wife!
Smart man dividing the routes into days as you expand your customer base. Remember you can up sale to got junk bulk items, which you can crush with the packer blade. ✌️
"is this somebody's opium stash?" 😂😂😂 You definitely are in Florida.
XD I can't deny it!
@isaccroth least he admitted what he thought it was😂
I know nothing about the garbage-related equipment, but Isuzu makes some indestructible engines, especially the 4jj series. Definitely a good potential purchase from that perspective.
Their frame rails always make me laugh. Looks like swiss cheese 😂 I'm sure they're perfectly fine. We've got an NPR at my work with almost 150k miles and no breakdowns yet
I am glad to hear that!
If a towbar can be fitted, then a rear loader could be used for your green waste from jobs you do that require the trimmings to be removed.
Also, depending on compaction rates, an 8 yard vehicle will take 24 yards of waste.
The ram at the front is usually positioned about 3/4 of the way towards the back when you start and moved back as needed. This maximises waste compaction.
Thanks for the tips!
@@CopperCreekCuts This is an inside industry tip, don't read the owners manual or you'd think it was just for pushing the load out. 😅
3/4+ is fine just watch out for concrete/steel furniture first thing it'll mess the wall up. ✌️
@@CopperCreekCuts oh I have another story behind this, our newest trucks are an extra yard longer, making overloads far to easy(we'd intentionally load the piss out of them, just to see how much weight it could take) and I informed the new supervisor(only commercial exp) it was industry to move the wall back but the manual said otherwise. 😅
I stumbled upon your videos maybe at your second week or third, and I must say I enjoy your content. I saw you uploaded this and I got excited, made my coffee and clicked play. Keep up the awesome stuff and hope the best for ya!
I really appreciate that, thank you!
YES ANOTHER EPOSIDE and good idea a garbage truck is a good idea
Thanks!
I love to see all the truly helpful comments from the garbage guys and the truck guys. Good internets up in here.
You got that right!
It’s amazing to see how your trash business is growing I highly recommend in the future you should go to waste expo and check out all the difference products around America
I looked into that but it is $$$ and I don't know if I could film.
another Rear load tip the ejection panel or “wall” after you get 15-20 stops on when you can do what we call “backblading” you push that wall back farther when you have trash on it so it compacts it even more. i drive a 25 yarder with out doing that we only get 9-10.5 Ton with backblading i can get 11-13 ton.
Should I just do it normal at first to get a feel for it and avoid overloading?
@@CopperCreekCuts absolutely, with the low amount you have you won’t need to do it, in the 25 yarder i drive i pick up around 400ish stops including bulk material (couches, mattress, dressers etc) so back blading is necessary. but you are very low with customers so i would be confident you could fit a whole month worth of trash on that truck.
Just watched this for a 2nd time because you had started to mention $. I have been watching prices for some time and they are coming down. Patience is Key. I like to build a business, it is good for the soul to be self employed. I will definitely get a rear load because I do rural routes myself and the sides of the road will make hooking up the trash bin harder. looking forward to Part 2.
Thanks for the input!
This series is amazing! Crazy how you are on the road to getting a very nice rear loader! Once you do get it like another comment said you could do rentals for events etc. I wish you luck on your incredible journey! :D
I didn't think of that, thank you!
Never thought I'd be excited about videos covering trash, but I'm on the edge of my seat lol. All the best, brad. Also, the way you talk about buying or waiting and it may end up costing you more if you wait is exactly the type of math that I use and my wife calls 'Earl math'.
LOL Love that she has a name for it!
Glad you were able to throw a “no-money down” solution out there. Congrats on the new cans! Love this series.
Thanks for watching!
If you start the ejector blade away from the cab, the blade will move towards the cab as the trash gets piled up. Sometimes if the sweep blade starts to allow trash to escape, you may have to manually adjust the ejector blade. Now that cart tipped is one of the best out there (Barker). We have them on our rear loaders and they are fast! Good cart tippers can make your days fast and easy, or slow and frustrating.
Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it!
I worked for GFL when the contract renewed, they were 30/70 split rears with organics tipper on the curbside, and they flipped them forcing us to walk the totes into the middle of the road and I ended up being able to lift the tote without adjusting it's position in relationship to the tipper arm. I was just glad I wasn't on recycling anymore, they got Heil brand body's and could no longer cycle on the fly, the poor bastards went from 8-10 to 12-14 hours to complete routes. This happens when head office thinks, we're doing everything by company/safety policy and can cheap out on a hydraulic controller. 😅
Business is booming for Brad! All the best. Glad to see you branch out 🎉😊
Thank you kindly!
The New Way is the best for you. Love it man!
Thanks for watching!
@@CopperCreekCuts For sure. I have watched you for a long while. By the way, I loved the drawer system you had in the bed of your truck.
Congrats on expanding on your business.. Also in regards to greasing grease points consider looking into if theres an option for automatic greasing. And new trucks dol a lot of pre work checkout for you so it could be that the car dosent come with an oil pin.
Thanks for the tips!
Enjoyed the video. Rear load looks like the best option at this point.
Thanks for watching!
Worked trash for my public works for a while. New way is the better packer out of the two in my opinion.
I have no experience to input, but the New Way fit and finish was much better, so I don't doubt it.
Believe it or not Brad, you are actually making sense with me on this one. I really like the 2nd truck you took a look at, you know, the Neway one that isn't a hack job, where it actually has dedicated buttons and labels for which match their functions? Yep, your business appears to be expanding quite fast, on the can orders. Reality is, people need trash pickup service, and your company probably has the best rates in the county. In turn that will cause you to put out more cans, make more business, and thus, makes a garbage truck make sense. I really hope you buy that 2nd truck, I really like it!
Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it!
I have a 2020 Isuzu NPR landscape truck. They are awesome trucks to have. I have the gas engine, with stop and go lawn care routes I figured be better for us. I have had 2 Isuzu cab over npr over the past 22 years and whould not trade it for nothing. Good luck with your search.!! Take care..!
Thanks for the feedback!
Check with the issue's of the DEF fluid and being a truck that starts and stops. I know we have our fire trucks that are having issues because of this. They dont operate at high enough temps to clean. I know my personal F350 goes into clean mode more locally than when Im towing our 5th wheel. I truly believe thats why the older pre DEF trucks are staying higher in price.
It never hurts to look at vehicles. I do it all the time. When I see a great deal I jump on it. Good Luck.
Thanks for the idea of can liners. We have self service convience centers here and my family likes to drop everything in the can. I realized i just needed those instead of getting upset at them. Especially with the kitty litter.
Well pre-DEF do tend to be more reliable, but what it sounds like you are referring to is the soot burn off from the DPF (diesel particulate filter) which was the first stage of diesel emissions systems that were mandated for '07 and is a separate system to what the DEF gets used for. So if you want one that is truly no emissions control reliability issues then you have to go pre '07.
Edit: although upon looking now, it seems that it may have evolved more since Iast looked and seems like they are making the DPF smaller and more integrated with the other parts of the DEF injector and SCR
When we finish our route we have a 17ish minute ride to the landfill. If there is no traffic we can go 60 mph. Hopefully the trip there and back will be good for solving that issue? I guess we will see!
LETTSSSSS GO! The best series on youtube! keep on grinding!
Thank you!
Cant wait for him to get one and part 2
Me neither! :D
You're my freeken hero, man! You're living my dream. Get the sideload!
Thanks for watching! The sideload is another $100,000.
@@CopperCreekCuts
Dang.
Just from the numbers you’ve said and a couple other factors, looking at the 200 cans and above metrics vs getting a Garbage Truck now it is definitely worth it.
Especially if you’re looking at growing past that and move towards a few hundred or even thousand cans. I’d definitely say put a little more investment into the truck as soon as you get it and immediately paint on orange and plaster your logos on it right away, as someone who when in college took a lot of marketing courses having that iconic truck that everyone just ‘knows’ is Baker County Trash Pickup is easily on of the best forms of marketing.
Loving the videos, keep up the great work, I’m trying to build up the courage to start my own business in asphalt painting and a few other outdoor services it’s good to see the in & outs of your business and whatnot.
Thanks for the tips! I am thinking the cost to paint the WHOLE thing may be more than I want, but don't know yet. I think a good compromise would be to at least paint/wrap the cab orange, and then decal the refuse body.
@@CopperCreekCuts no worries! Yea that can definitely be a considerable cost, have you looked at doing the paint job yourself? I saw Victory Outdoor Services (Concrete channel) do it to his 4-5 machines and it seemed like a pretty cost effective way to do it and get your branding applied, sure he put in a good week I think to get them done but he saved a ton.
Alternatively the wrap might be a good idea even if it’s just the cab with a big ol logo on the doors and the front. Either way glad to see things are moving well with the company and the possibility of getting a truck is a more realistic option given the cheaper entry level cost for a half decent truck and the fact the company has a steady increase of clients. Keep up the great work.
I started watching your channel several months back. I find the ventrac awesome. I live outside of Baton Rouge,La
I have garbage pickup twice a week, wednesday and saturday. For $35.23 a month
I usually only put out my can once a week since I don't have alot of trash.
I hope this new business venture works out for you.
Thank you for the info and for watching!
Consider this fella. You should have more options with your dump trailer.
1. Deliver landscape materials. Advertise, mulch, rocks, sand etc...mark up the price and charge a delivery fee.
Advertise bulk pick up or even clean outs.
Why did you order 200 cans with such slow growth. 50 sounds about right. Place a 4x2 left to right in front and the rear of the trailer, over the tarp with a quick release on top to combat the tarp flopping and losing trash. With that tarp flopping it's gonna rip eventually. Install a quick inline battery disconnect for the hydrolics. You buying that 300 dollar tilt thing for 2,000 deserves a punch in the gut from everybody here on UA-cam. Live the video's fella 💯
Cans are from SC and have a month lead time (minimum) and about $900 in freight. Buying more than I needed made the most sense rather than small bits that would give long windows of time where I couldn't add customers because I was out of cans.
I don't want to get into delivery work with the dump trailer. I am looking for the simplest, easiest way to pay my bills and the trash route is it!
Thanks for the tips on the dump trailer, I appreciate it!
Congratz on the recent growth and needing to scale the truck up! There must be a minimum number of cans per week for which the compactor truck combined to the removal of liners would pay for itself. Will probably be the easiest decision when you soon get there. Thanks for sharing!
Agreed. It would probably be a lot more hundred than I have now, though! :D
Great to see the business growing and I hope the truck works out well once you get one!
Have you thought about offering services to commercial customers, like small mom and pop businesses or restaurants? Maybe some type of deal on a larger quantity of cans? Might be a good option to expand once you get a truck.
Not at this point, but maybe in the future!
Brilliant to see that you are shopping around for garbage trucks, the very small cabover ones are the best as they are compact
Thanks for the input!
The flap that you were lifting up at time stamp 9:36 is the engine heater plug that you plug in a standard 120v extension cord that will heat up a electric element in the engine that makes it easier to start in the winter because diesel engines can be very hard to get started in the winter. I think that you are very smart for wanting to buy a garbage truck because you buying a garbage truck would help you save time and it would help you save money because you wouldn't have to stop in the middle of your route to go to the county dump to empty the dump trailer and then drive back to your route and instead by you buying a trash truck then you would be able to complete your route and you would only have to go to the county dump once a day instead of going to the county dump multiple times a day.
Thanks! They confirmed it was a block heater later on.
11:45 they're door pins to prevent the tailgate from popping open while on route or pressure loose, when the hydraulic seals wear and oil slip passed. Remember to pull them at the landfill before backing into the tipping face and save yourself a walk on the unstable muddy ground. ✌️
I think I’d go with it. You’re already in too deep not to commit so you’re just there. It is what it is.
Yeah, I'm gonna have 200 cans out at some point. Will need a truck eventually!
This looks like fun shopping. I can see why you would want a new truck if you aren't mechanically inclined at all but you may be capable of more than you think. Visiting and paying for mechanics is a pain though. Like you said you don't know what's wrong with it besides the brake booster. I'm a fan of used/high mileage vehicles as long as the engine and transmission are in good shape. Ugly trucks with dents and scratches are a great way to save money.
Thanks for the kind words!
Isuzus are great trucks! Really tough and easy to work on. Guy in town here has one and it has a 8 yard body. All he does is bulk pickup and last time i talked to him he was saying he makes pretty good money hauling bulk trash and yard waste. He brings it by for oil changes and brake jobs twice a year.
That's great to hear, thank you for the info!
Half a lifetime ago back when I was doing landscape/yard service. I thought about getting a a little 5-8yd compactor truck like one of those just to offer a on-demand yard waste pick up. Like leaves, light brush, etc because I had space to dump and chip it up into rough low grade mulch. Or just pile and burn, spread ashes and till into peanut fields.
Never really got past the planning stage. But seeing this gets me thinking about it again.
Thing about a rear loader is it's a simpler piece of equipment. As long as the chassis it's on is still good, you can just re body it. Same if the compactor body is good but the chassis is junk. Put your body on another and go along. It's harder to do that with a more specialized reaching side loader.
Good tips and comment, thank you for watching!
They do have alot of good looking trucks! Personally i could never justify the price tag. I have never spent more than $6,000 on a garbage truck. I tend to buy trucks from the mid 80s that are more mechanical and have less electronics. Spend a few thousand to refurbish them and they have been extremely reliable. But i think thoes isuzus are pretty good especially for what you would be doing. I love watching your journey. Keep up the hard work!
I like your style! I don't have the knowledge, ability, or local expertise to pull that off just yet. Hoping I can take good care of this truck and between that and the limited use since I am such a small size it will last a LONG time.
We have those at our work and they are pretty nice little trucks. I would say that would be something great for a small route. also love the video I am a garbage truck driver and enjoy watching what you do.
Awesome, thank you for the feedback!
Great thinking Brad. And I agree with everything; well said. And you bring up a great point at 5:43. You could buy it at the right time, and have it with you for when you do feel the need to retire the dump trailer. But while you still use the dump trailer, you could get stickers or new paint on the truck *if you desire*. Then when it’s ready to get on the road, you could sell the Dump Trailer for some Good profit, and also maybe do some more advertising, take on more customers, and consider expanding your service area if you start doing well; and Boom. Your company could start to take off.
Keep the dump trailer and offer it as an alternative to a roll off. People In my area like to run them and advertise them as less risk to damaging a driveway
@@pamacons very good point 👍
I’m new to the trash industry so still learning a bit
Good tips, thank you! I would lean towards just selling the dump rather than managing rentals on it. Not the business I want to be in and I keep everything at my property, which is tight on space, so getting the dump trailer gone would help a lot. Maybe a walkthrough video of the setup at home would be worth showing?
@@CopperCreekCuts definitely worth showing!!
That new truck seems used. Bent pins, hydraulic controls rusted in Florida!!! Might want to look at a different company. Longevity might be a problem with that brand of garbage box. Hino is a good brand though.
I can't remember which one it was, but one had 500 miles. It likely has sat for a while as well!
Very awesome seeing your progress 👍
Thanks 👍
I would buy the rear loader, sell the dump trailer, and double efforts to fill the route. The side loader comes with the added headache of jumping out of the truck to get a can lined up such that the arm can grab it.
I'd say keep the dump trailer and offer it as an alternative to a roll off. Very popular around me
Thanks for the input! I have no desire to rent my equipment out. Too many headaches I don't want to deal with for the revenue generation.
You have to get out to hook the can to the tipper anyway, lining up the call just takes practice; and I used to leave the tote tipper straight down, instead of up in the travel position, making it easier to see in the mirror. ✌️
this was what i was interested in the last few weeks of watching your videos...what your thoughts were on a dump truck. good stuff!
Thank you so much!
I would go for something bigger. Always. You can go for smaller but don't know what the future of your business will do. If it will grow or not. That way you dont need to worry about getting a bigger trash truck or trading it in.
Part of the issue is what's in stock and on sale versus what I can afford and actually drive. I guess a 10 yard could still be under CDL, but they don't have any in stock or at that price point.
Hey i still love your vids but i just thought of something that you might or might not have. A side loader might actually be a bad investment. Compared to rear loader, because you are a rural service, the side loader is great for streets where everyone leave there bins on the curb. Yours seem to leave them near their gates or inside their drivewayesque turn offs. So you would need to get out of the truck anyway. And the side loader might have to have more maintenance because it has more moving parts then a rear loader. (the retractable arm)
I didn't think about that!
Very cool to see the truck up close. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for watching!
I am considering a rear loader that is about 5cbm in capacity weights about 3ton and holds 3tons of trash which isuzu truck model would you recomend?
Hope the next video is day 1 with this or a similar truck. I think its the right choice to grow it under your business since its still growing and you're already running into physical (yours and the trailers) limits - this will move to save you time and pay itself off.
Thanks for the comment! Have to wait for it to get shipped in, so can't buy it yet.
Get a garbage truck from loadmaster. Built in the upper peninsula of Michigan. In the little town of Norway Michigan
Buying what I can afford and drive home, not too particular about brand right now!
I'd definitely go with the new way. we got the larger "normal" size ones at the company i work for and they're so easy to work on. a lot simpler than all the other body manufacturers.
Thanks for the tip!
i work in the industry and this is about the only advice i can give assuming u havent bought already. small companies are notorious for being bought out by bigger companies so good investment either way and even if we assume u avg to 7-9 NEW customers a week ur looking about about 32 new customers a month i would wait and see if u have stable customers staying with u and also u can use ur trash truck for "touch a truck" weeks in ur local community free advertising and will increase ur overall rep in the town u live in for ur other lines of business, and the right offs ull get are nice ur lunches ur fuel ur services and of course the truck its a win win ur growing and theres no reason to keep buiying liners that cost will only go up but that payment will stay the same
Thank you for all the feedback!
Did not see that coming...but interesting to see the under cdl weight restricted units. Never seen one before. Certainly Izuzu makes a great product. Looks like a good pairing of truck and utility unit. Will be interesting to follow your process on the truck upgrade.
Thank you for the comment!
15:06 it's for the pto it'll speed up the cycle but you'd be in neutral and the cab might have an auto high idle stitch anyway. ✌️
Thanks for all the comments!
@@CopperCreekCuts No problem. I've worked for 6 different trash/recycling companies, with a decade of experience and it appears many career guys are here imparting our knowledge. You are getting decades worth of information from just our comments. 😅 ✌️
Whats good with rear load is you can also start offering bulk pickup along with normal trash. I drive a front load curato can myself and have also helped with bulk pickups. With an ASL side load, you might have to have your customers put their cans out closer to the street, so you can come by, grab the can, dump, and go.
Didn't think of that, thank you!
@@CopperCreekCutsyour welcome (this is his son replying)
I always always always reccommend a NewWay or Curbtender Mini RL. They are of great quality and can last a hot minute (even with the isuzu gas motors)
Thanks for sharing!
very nice video today brad! are we seeing a route episode for episode 8 this week?
Unfortunately not, I am selfishly not going to upload two in a day because I need to build a little backlog :D
@@CopperCreekCuts oh ok!
This makes me excited. Keep it up.
Thank you!
I love being on this journey with you. A truck like that makes sense. Will your wife be more comfortable with driving a rear loader? That might be one of the last things to truly streamline your workflow, as far as I can think of :)
Also: toucans!
Etwas, you will be disappointed. I missed a 'toucan' in today's video and cringed when I realized it. Already edited and behind schedule, I was forced to upload it, knowing I had failed you! :D
My wife drove the garbage truck (we got a pac mac like the one shown) last Monday and liked it! We will cover that in a future video!
So this might be a slightly dumb idea and maybe it's going to cost more than what I think. What would happen if you took your current dump trailer had somebody fabricate a metal roof over top of it and then also fabricate a compactor at the front of the trailer that pushes it all back towards the door. So you can still do your side loading with your trailer and then when the trash gets built up where you can't put any more in you activate the hydraulic RAM that pushes it all to the back towards the door and maybe even compacts it a little bit. It won't compact it as much as an actual compactor but it still might do a little bit. The downsides I can think of doing that though is your doors might not be able to handle the pressure and might bend the pins and the door. So you might have to reinforce the door. But my thoughts are you could probably find a hydraulic ram for a couple thousand dollars you would have maybe $2,000 in metal to build the sliding wall that would attach to the RAM and then maybe a couple thousand to have somebody fabricated for you. Maybe for $10,000 you can make your trailer last a whole lot longer then. I'd be curious to see anybody else's ideas on this does anybody think it's a good idea bad idea maybe I need to explain it better
I like the idea just more time, effort, and money than I want to deal with. I don't love the idea of dumping a lot of money (no pun intended) into something that will still require me to spend hundreds on liners a month, manually lift the trash, etc.
Loving this series so far!
Would it not be more practical to get a side loader right off the bat as opposed to getting a rear load then a side loader?
Also thinking a side loader might be more practical for you since you won’t need someone driving the truck and you (or someone else) dumping the trash (I know you said your wife wants to drive the truck but idk if she’d be comfortable driving a rig like that). This series popped up in my suggested a few days ago and have watched every one so far lol
Best of luck on the new business!!
Thanks for watching! I cover some of that in the video. The biggest issue would the the amount of time between now and when I could buy a side load (I can't afford one right now, I CAN afford this rear load).
@@CopperCreekCuts that’s fair too, and ALSO you could keep the rear load, for when you grow the business to eventually needing 2 trucks. You could have a team in the rear load, and a guy in the side load 🧐
Would you park the garbage truck at your house? I noticed in some prior videos that you appear to live in a nice neighborhood. I could see neighbors getting upset with a garage truck being parked next door all the time. With that being said I think a garage truck would be super cool and hope you’re able to make the numbers work out!
We would be parking it at home. I would clean it after every weekly route, but not enough experience to know if that would eliminate smells. No HOA so thankfully aside from being mad they couldn't do anything. The plan is to keep it spotless and behind a fence so no call for much anger.
I’ve been looking at some cars recently for a first car, and I will suggest; take your time, wait for some deals, maybe go to some other dealers. I know we’re looking for very different vehicles but it’s a similar concept :)
Haha, yes, thank you for watching!
It makes sense to invest in a truck because you don’t want to be stuck in a place where your business is growing rapidly but you don’t have a large enough vehicle to keep up with the growth.
Very true!
In the end you will buy one, so how long do you want to wait?🤔 Judging from the last videos your trailer wil be full really soon and than you have to drive to the dump a second time with only a few bags in there. And your argument about the liners is pretty convincing😊
You should barter with the dealer because there are already a lot of rust spots all around the pac mac.
That wouldn't be the one we get, I think someone already claimed that one.
It looks like that dealer has some good used trucks with around 40,000-75,000 miles for around 90k-125k
Yeah, I just can't bring myself to spend that much when the same-ish price gets new with a warranty.
@@CopperCreekCutsA warranty is always nice to have with these vehicles
14:22 😂 story of my life every truck is a little different, no manufacturer places switches and controls in the same spot and hooping into a new truck has you looking everywhere for the simplest of things. Eg the battery switch can be in the cab, near the battery box or anywhere in between. 😅
Nice video! If you have some different body model options to check out for the mini rear loads I'd look at the cart tipper brand as well. I've heard Perkins tippers are nicer than Bayne. Maybe bring one of your cans along or grab one of the dealers cans to trial on the different tippers in case one works/tips better vs another. I agree putting the cost of liners into a truck instead makes more sense.
Thanks for the tip!
The Isuzo is the way to go.
I have 2 of them for lawn care landscaping.
I am glad to hear it!
I would look into the tax benefits. Buying new diesel trucks over a certain weight (often under cdl) for business use have insane write off potential. I believe it’s section 179 and 6000lb weight. You could probably MASSIVELY offset deprecation costs especially w new car depreciation.
I would just take standard depreciation over the 5 year span or whatever. I don't have enough income to need the huge write-off this year (especially with all the other business startup costs).
Buy it!!
Hope to!
Also…. With the rear load… can do junk removal, event rentals like church fairs or something…. Side load would only be for big cans. Just my unprofessional opinion
Good tip, thank you!
Wow $36 a month, pick up once a week dang that's only $8.75 a week.
We pay $92.00 a month with 4 pick ups a month.
Yeah it's wild how much different prices are in the country.
What are your thoughts on a Pro-Pactor Compactor Trailer. I would assume they are cheaper than a trash truck. I’ve seen a 15 yard side hopper which may work for you.
$45K and I would need a CDL due to the weight rating. Also longer than what I have now, so more difficult to navigate.
A lot of trucks are fitted with battery guards ,they kick in to stop it draining and need to. Reset before starting
Thanks for the tip!
Buy ex municipality from somwhere south no rust and normally good condition and cheap.
Thanks for the tip!
Lol. My mom was watching your videos and thought while You're emptying the containers you could have your wife put the liners in the can just to save a little bit of time
Good point but he said it’s too expensive to just keep buying liners in the future
@@Cam_makwell like as a temporary solution to make things faster
@@TheFolsomGuy true
I agree, but the liners only take 5-10 seconds to put it. Not sure the risk of doubling the number of times workers get out of the truck (and risk injury/slip/fall each time) is worth that savings.
One thing I’ll point out is if that trucks dry weight is 19,500lbs without any garbage in the packer body and including yourself in the cab you’ll have to watch your weight. As long as you do not exceed 26,000 lbs you do not need a class B cdl. I would say when you are able to definitely look into get your class B cdl it’ll further you in your new adventure and being able to put more weight on the truck without worrying about being over weight.
19,500 is the most the truck can be, not its dry weight.
Quality research is a sign of serious intent and I think the Isuzu would be a reasonable investment, especially if you’re adding that many cans on a regular basis
Thanks for the feedback!
Mate, since when are you a garbo? 🤣
I’ve spent the past few years working for a couple of different local waste companies on the side driving both side arm and rear load garbage trucks. Side arms, especially those we have in Australia which seem a fair bit more advanced and smooth than the US ones I see, are very efficient. I could average over 230 bins an hour when I had good streets so they’re bloody fast, but at the same time there is a hell of a lot to break on them too. Go over to a rear load garbage truck and your bin rate drops substantially but you can do a bit more with them like bulk pickups etc.
Personally I love side arms because I don’t have to get out in the rain, I just sit in the cab playing with the joystick lol, but at the same time I don’t know if I’d want to own one myself because they’re the best part of half a million to buy and as mentioned before they’re also extremely maintenance heavy. I’ll see if I can shoot ya some pics and videos of my time side arming last year so you can get an idea of what we’d go through.
I’m definitely interested in getting something myself to offer to commercial customers and for waste removal jobs though so I’m keen to see how you go!
As to favourite trucks, for rear loaders Isuzus and the old Iveco Accos are very popular here along with Volvo for the larger waste bodies. Side arms my favourite was the Euro 6 Iveco Acco or a Volvo. Try to get a body that has an auto-pack function that keeps cycling the blade too as it will save you a lot of time when doing bulk waste.
Sorry I'm late to this, thank you for the comment and info!
if the new is 160k and the used is 30k then with 140,000 miles then that means for every mile you drive the truck depreciated $0.93 cents. i would buy used and find a mobile mechanic or a shop. they could fix most anything the 6 days a week the machine is not used.
You cant calculated like that, the miles means nothing.
Can be 100 feet between cans or 2 miles.
The condition is important the vehicle itself, being a comercial truck is designed for alot more miles.
I always check the hours on a used truck and if he has the means to buy a new truck they typically come with warranties so if something mechanical happens it’s covered and he could probably negotiate a free rental truck while his is in the shop
I covered my thoughts on used on this one, just can't find anything that works for me.
If you haven't gotten a CDL, i would seriously look into getting one. Anything commercial will come with scrutiny and trying to talk your way out of tickets is a lot harder if your just barely squeezing by in rules as they will find SOMETHING to catch you on, and having a non-CDL with that truck will definitely make them want to give you the white glove inspection.
Good tips, thank you! I talk about a CDL in this week's videos, please let me know your thoughts.
I recommend the GMC/Isuzu Rear Loaders, try finding something as "Japanese" style as possible. New Zealand has used these types for decades in some of the most rugid conditions similar to your operations. Many clocking up age and the miles. Isuzus are indestructible, very simplistic diagnostics. Make sure you buy a vehicle that as readily available parts near you, not some random garbage truck with a foreign brand that mechanics near you will not be familiar with, will be very hard to quickly & cheaply fix if it happens to break down naturally.
Thanks for the tips!
Even if you eventually got a side load, a rear load in the fleet would be good if offering bulk pickups of bigger bulkier things that don't fit in cans, our trash day the company goes around with both.
Good feedback, thank you!
If I recall correctly, the Isuzu tow truck I drove required the parking brake to be set for the PTO to engage. I suspect that may be the issue you faced in this video.
Thanks for the tip! I think it was just a dead battery.
Not only would you be putting money into a great work truck instead of trash bags, you will save a bunch of time resulting in even more money. We got to have the right tools for the right job and we have to spend money to make money. Smartly of course.
Glad my thoughts weren't incorrect!
Loved the vid! Is this replacing the pickup video this week?
It is! Didn't have enough time to get the voiceover done on that one so put this one out instead.
Used wrecker truck with metal sides. My trash collector uses. Difficult to find an automatic truck under 50,000 miles.
Thanks for the idea!
Whats the market for 2018-2020, im sure youve looked at it but are there used "pre-owned certified" type thing dealers do? Like car sales where you still get a warranty of some type?
Trucksite seemed like a place that did that but they were $$$$ and in CA so freight was even more $$$$.
Awesome video! I think when you buy, you should buy one with a tipper.
Yes, I wouldn't get one without a tipper.
@@CopperCreekCuts Ok!
Engine block heater bud lol
And the rear step is the best place to be doing trash when the weather is nice
Yes, they confirmed that later in the video! Looking forward to trying that step out!
@@CopperCreekCuts can’t wait to see it in action
Just be ready for more expensive mechanic bills. I have a write my truck truck atheist once a month but my work truck has a lot of miles lol