How to find BIG PERCH (in a lake full of dinks) & How To Make Them Bite + Underwater Footage
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- Опубліковано 11 лют 2021
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Ever wonder why you spend so much time sorting through the little dink perch to find a couple larger ones mixed in? Might be some simple reasons why.
Roger dives into the mystery reasoning he has found about sorting through perch.
Why they are where they are.
What they are feeding on.
What age class has to do with it, and a whole lot more.
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As a retired DEC F&W tech, I am impressed with your understanding of a fishery resource. Great arguments at the end for releasing those big gravity females. Great videos. Never fished Lake George for perch but hopefully soon, particularly since I just turned 70!
Awesome, thank you! My father is a retired DEC Forrest Ranger, thanks for your work! I would love to talk to you further. I really want to learn lore about fisheries management.
Nice catch Roger. Thanks for the information you shared and I loved your underwater footage.
Thanks for watching. we ae going to record some more underwater stuff today.
Excellent presentation, I subscribed and wish you the best! Well done!
Thanks for the edumacation Roger. I hope everyone heeds your advice.
I hope so too, Thanks for watching! are you catching perch this winter?
Great info , thanks Roger🎣
Thanks for watching!!! More coming. working on one on aging perch
Great video and info here!!
Glad you enjoyed it! thank you!
Thanks for sharing so much information with us, Roger. I'm local and Lake George has been my favorite ice fishing spot for many years. I really enjoy your videos and yes, when you understand the biology of the lake and the biology of fish, it's much easier to understand the impact we can have on both and that's something we should all be thinking about. Tight lines, my friend and maybe we'll run into each other on the ice sometime.
Thanks for the encouragement! have you expedience a higher percentage of small perch this year? there is talk of a die off last summer that might have taken out some of the older perch. im running about 8 to one throwbacks to keepers!
@@RogersRigs I'm retirement age and due to a recent procedure at the hospital I haven't been out, except for today. We fished about four hours at Huletts Landing but couldn't find any perch. We tried in water from 14ft out to 35 ft and it seemed like it was a muck bottom without much for weeds. I went out to the bottom edge of the steep drop off trying for lakers in about 68ft of water and had one mouthing my swim bait a few times, but that was about it before we called it quits. As for the small perch and the die off, I can't really say one way or the other.
thanks for the report!
Learned a lot, awesome
THanks for watching John!!
The underwater footage is great 👍 !
Glad you enjoyed it. I've got more coming. the clear water and bright days make it really nice right now. once we get a lot of snow on the ice the lighting goes down. Thanks for watching!!!!!
Good stuff brother!
THank you David! have you been fishing lately?
My local lake is the same, I find my 9-10” Perch in around 20’ depth
1. Your content is awesome. Keep it coming please.
2. I love this movement I’m seeing with hunting and now fishing of taking a biologist approach of really learning and respecting the animal you’re in persuit of.
3. I too would like to put a vote in for a video of how to age perch
4. Lastly and randomly... you sound like the comedian Mike Birbiglia...
Thanks!
I will do that aging vid next. iits is not really easy. you need a decent microscope and a few good scales and maybe the opecular bone from the gill to cross refrence. i still had to ask a bioligists if my numbers were even in the ball park, but he did say i was right on for this lake. I'd love to get datta from all over the country. and see how fast/slow they grow on other feeds
Ha ha i just looked up Mike Birbiglia. i see the comparison!
Wonderful info for this senior that’s learning from scratch
Thank you fro watching. more to come. how big have you seen perch get? what kind of waters were the big ones in?
@@RogersRigs I’m 77 and just getting back into fishing. Haven’t done it since 17 so I’m just getting started. Thanks for teaching
THat is great. I'm glad you found us. there are a lot of improvements in the ice fishing world now. the portable shanty and heater, the jig poles with reels, and the sonar. it can be so much more comfortable and productive now. are you targeting perch? what size depth lakes?
@@RogersRigs i may try ice fishing but it’s 10F here now. Definitely will do kayak fishing on Lake Erie and inland lakes too near Buffalo NY. Depths vary 20-80 ft. Target fish are perch, panfish and walleye
that sounds like fun. Mu inlaws are from the Springville area. so we do some fishing out that way. the new clear lake WMY just opened up this year it has perch and crappie. I heard that the walleye population is doing really well in Erie! is there any ice on erie yet? we had -6 f today. im not going fishing til this afternoon!
Excellent video! Very informative perspective and I would have to say that I agree. Thank you for the tips. Enjoyed the video very much...keep up the good work!
Awesome, thank you! I think that there is a different story for every lake, but this does seem to be true a lot. do you target perch often?
@@RogersRigs Pretty much only target perch. We fish mostly Chautauqua Lake in Chautauqua County. Occasionally get up to Sodus Bay...by mostly Chautauqua
Chautauqu sure gets a lot of ice fishing pressure. what is the average perch size? do you have to sort a lot?
@@RogersRigs Majority of the fish are 8 inches...the big ones are 10 to 11 inches. But you're right...big time pressure
@@RogersRigs You have to weed thru the dinks to get them. We caught 100 last weekend and brought home 25 or so
Those are some real secrets. Good thinking and thanks. DEC fisheries biologist thank you as well.
THANK YOU! We were just practicing these concepts last week. have you been out much?
Selective harvesting for the win!
Yes! I'm glad so many people agree. Thank you for watching. I'm going to make a few more vids on aging perch and best practices to help preserve the resource. let me know if you have any more points that might help the fishery.
Rodger ...ur soo right love the biologist point of view ...you should do a quick lesion on how to tell the age of the fish ...we always just count stripes for reference 🤣
Great idea! i had a theroy that champlain perch get bigger younger, but it has not proven to be the case. they are fatter, but a 7 inch perch is still about 7 years old. at least in the ticonderoga area. i wonder if the nothern champlain ones who eat more alewives are bigger for their age. i heard that Devils lake in ND has 4 year old perch near 12" long. but i have not verified that from a biologist report. I will make a vid. If you guys get into some perch near you. save me the head a few mid body scales and gills of a few size range. I'll age them with my microscope
Can’t make the Premier but will catch up to ya later.
yes hopefully next weekend!!!
Thank you for another very informative video I I don't want to write a book so 100% accurate with what you stated in that video I've been doing that for quite a while now thank you
thanks for watching. i did not mention a bunch more hazards around pressure cracks. maybe next season I will do a longer more in depth vid. what would you add to the list of pressure ridge dangers?
oops sorry Philip! I did not look at the vid you were commenting on I just released a pressure ridge vid today so i had crack on the mind :-)
yep especially in lakes with those big pigs you were talking about it really is better to release those big ones and enjoy the little guys. they are yummier anyway
Yeah definitely correct I agree 100% genetics proven the bigger ones spawn a better Fishery plus too many Lake toxins I just like catching fish on brother
@@RogersRigs well what I can say about pressure ridges are they can be very dangerous I've had my Close Encounters of the third fourth and fifth kind with them LOL Common Sense always prevails
great video , a basic perch question. when I go up to Wisconsin we find very few perch in the spring. same lake can do well in the fall. are they to busy with a spawn in the spring ?? I know they are not out deep because there is not any 1500 acres of 3-9 feet of water few holes. catch ya later.
they will not bite during the spawn at all. it can be really frustrating because you can see them but they woont take anything. that is dependent on the water temp. (i think mid 50s) then they disperse to the weeds to feed for the warmer months and they are harder to find. since they are not in big groups.
Excellent video...
So glad you mentioned genetics. That is one reason we see more and more slot lakes.
As for size this is why we have cameras. Document it... No need to remove it from the breeding pool!
Also, think of lobster. I'd much rather have two 1-1/4 pound lobsters than one two pound (+) lobster! More tenderer!
The point being bigger ain't always better. Thanks for doing these!!
Edit PS: The limit is 50. You don't have to take 50. Take what ya need!! 🎣
Well said! i think we can change the motivations of fishing with more information. smaller is yummyer. what is the panfish regulations in your area? i just talked to a guy in Canada who said that their limit was 15 perch per day!!!
@@RogersRigs As far as I recall there are none for yellow perch... Size or amounts. They do an odd thing here in WA... Lakes, not fish are seasonal. Meaning whole bodies of water are closed to fishing so targeting other species is impossible. That said, some lakes do remain open year round. I always found this frustrating as people will pull bass off the nest when they are most aggressive leaving the eggs/fry open to predators.
I'll verify and see if that Perch reg has changed. Meanwhile, here is an interesting Perch Study:
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depts.washington.edu/oldenlab/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Perca-flavescens_Harmon.pdf
WOW that is a great article. the table on different lakes and sizes/ year class is something i have been looking for. Gee wiz WA has crazy regulations!!! closed and open lakes.
Very nice! Where were you guys?
Thanks Steven, this is down in Lake George. much clearer waters than Champlain on average.
Great video! I placed my order for two of your perch set ups. I just started fishing lake George this summer. Found a few decent perch but no big schools like that. We only tried coves and shallower spots. Any tips would be great. Thanks.
That is awesome! thanks. look for 35 to 45 fow. but summer is more difficult to find the big schools. in winter they congregate much tighter
@@RogersRigs Thanks for the reply! Love your videos and I have a new found hobby of I ice fishing. Keep up the good work. Tight lines.
Hi, what about finding those, bigger than dinks, in small open water lakes? Are the on the same kind of under water terrain, in June?
Steve (68yrs) Manitoba
hahaha this is funny to watch,well done,, and up here our catch limit is also 50 but only for sport lic and less for conservation lic
that is interesting. do you have to pay more for sport Lic?
@@RogersRigs yes it costs more ,my sister was asking me about it the other day but i have not needed a fishing lic in a long time since i have a disability permit i can fish lic free
nice! i'd have to spring for the sport. we catch all our eating fish for the year in the winter
Good video man! I just found your channel because I am heading out tomorrow on Lake Erie for my second time, ice fishing. Going for some perch and I am not an avid fisherman, so I thought I would check out some perch videos. You are very informative and thanks for the video! Where are you located if you dont mind me asking?
Have fun! Its exciting that there is ice on Erie this year!!!! there perch and walleye fishery is really doing well. i Live in the Adirondacks in northern NY. but i have family near buffaloy ny so i keep track of erie a little bit. I'd love to hear how you do. sometimes erie perch like emerald shiners (1 to 2" minnows) more than anything. but there are a lot of guys catching big perch on your fly rigs In Erie Pa and OHIO . On Lake erie. even from a boat. Thanks for watching Nick and good luck tomorrow!!!!
@@RogersRigs Yes the ice is great this year. We had 4 that ranged from 6 to 8 but the rest were dinkies. We were only in about 6 ft of water though so I think that might have had something to do with it. The renter told us that another group already had there limit about 5 hours in but they were also out farther than we were. Still a good day out on the hard water though!
@@nickdeknibber8913 That's a good report! if you were catching some then they were around. and you stayed on the dry side of the ice. :-)
What bait did u have on the spoons when u dropped em in?
@Nicholas Meyer we are actually using a perch eyeball as bait. Gross we know :-) but they work great. Just be sure to check the regulations in your area to make sure it is legal. Some states don't allow it.
Excellent!
Many thanks! great horse team. have you been fishing lately?
No, its been a deep freeze here last week, -40C. Same as -40F. I'm 2/3 the way to Alaska from WI. Hoping to record some fishing soon. I'm trying some drop jig/fly setups on my tip ups next time.
WOW! that is a bit nippy for fishing. we had -5f this morning. do you not ice fish then in the middle of the winter?
We do but about 2.5 feet of ice or more. Hard on electric augers. Big risk of die off too.
yeah that will shut down oxygen to those poor fishes! wow that is hardcore
Went out and actually got on some bluegill ice action today went good filmed with the tripod got a few good shots I too do my own version of selective harvest I try not to keep too many crappie over 14 inches just hafta apply that to your own area I get loads of 13 and under so therefore more plentiful I dont catch enough perch to really apply any rules lol.
Nice 👍 Im glad you got fishable ice!!!!!! yes it does vary from each body of water, but there sure is no shame in eating the smaller ones!!!!!!!!
WOW those are MONSTERS!!! we have a big crappie lake here too and another one that has ZILLIONS that are 5inches long. and NONe over 7
ice fishing was supposedly not too good this year up here on the count that it was not too cold and not much safe ice and it did not stay long so im wondering where was this? you in the sates?
yes the ice was iffy in a lot of lakes this year. we fish in Lake George norther New York sate USA
@@RogersRigs ah ok ,i think you guys got a worst winter then we did because the cold belt passed south this year
What brand underwater camera do you use? It looks pretty clear. I’ve seen some pretty terrible underwater camera clarity
Ours is a Vexilar.
Great info in this video. With that thought process of the bigger perch... do you on occasion throw them back? I never thought about how those fish are probably suited for the lake conditions and why they are bigger. On a personal note I'm thinking of heading out for the first time in 3 or 4 years and was wondering if you know how the ice is at Vets Park or Bixby which is just south of Vets. I'm a bit out of the loop right now so wondering if you have any info (ice thickness) on that area of the Queen. Love your enthusiasm and keep the videos coming.
vets is pretty safe now. the rest of nw bay etc. froze last Friday so i bet ther eare some sketchy conditions out further. but the ive is getting better by the day. i am going down ton the southern basin this afternoon so i will have a fresh report. i might toss back a perch over 13" but in general i just try to be content with whatever falls in the slot on my first 50 perch and not just sort out monster for hours. THere are a LOT of perch in LG and taking a few big ones is not a problem. i think its important to change the shaming mindset about keeping the 8 inchers.
@@RogersRigs Thanks for ice info... If you think of it after today could you give me another? I agree on the 8" fish. I get a little more selective if the bite is really good but otherwise 8" is usually fine imo. Again thanks.
I will be back to a computer by 8pm ish. if i don't reply here. send me another reminder. My memory is only good for about 10 minutes nowadays.
@@RogersRigs I know about the memory thing all to well. Went to get a fishing license yesterday and told the guy I haven't had a license is 2 or 3 years. As he is putting the info in he says "you already have a license good till July." Lol Totally forgot I got one for the 4th of July weekend. Anyways there is a good chance I will forget I asked you about the ice. Lol have a good one sir and thanks.
ha ha i remembered!!! just got done cuting up perch. i saw a lot of people out on veterans park bay. it is white all the way out and across the lake form there, but i did not see anyone on the new ice. the wind was from the north and the bite was slow. but as long as you use your spud on any new ice you will probably get where you want to go. there is a lot of ice being made in the past few days!!
Duh.... For some reason I thought it was Friday last night. Woke up early to go fishing this morning and realized Today is Friday 🙄
Wishful thinking I guess. Hahahaha
ha ha ha. that is a tough realization! hey you get a bonus day of life!! :-)
I meant gravid females.
yep. that is interesting stuff. im really interested in stocked fish survival rates. have you done any work in that area?