Thank you for being the only source that has actually taught me what sails do. I'm aware of how sails work, just like airplane wings, but could not grasp the concept of how multiple sails work together.
Ok, i dont know how to explain this... I have no idea why you guys showed up on my UA-cam feed, but i was bored, had some beer... I ended up binge watching your videos for the last two weeks. Started researching about sailing, cats and stuff. As a german guy, living in the Alps, surrounded by mountains, im facing a hard time to convince my girlfriend how awesome a catamaran would be. Thank you for that... Anyway, you are such a lovely couple and even if i probably never going to own a cat, i´ve got in contact with a sailing school (few hours from where i live) and will take some lessons next summer, if covid allows it. You are inspiring. Thank you.
Wow, thank you! That’s about the highest compliment we could imagine. It is a wonderful adventure...and it starts with the idea and the decision to pursue it. You are there at the precipice. Very exciting. Keep in touch and let us know how it goes.
@@TheOKellys Ok, so i just had a corona secure glass of wine and signed up to some online lessons. Looks like its possible to get my radio license online. Got to start somewhere :)
i've spent a total of 2 hours on a hobie cat 16 as my sailing experience... that was enough, for me, to understand how you could get completely hooked on it. That feeling that you could go anywhere in the world... anyway... Thank you for the explanation and visual comparison, as someone who knows almost nothing about sailing and the nomenclature.
You can count your blessings based on those you come in contact with, you two are so blessed to have such a great circle of people around you and The Circle is also blessed to have you in the center. We all are better through this wonderful interaction. Its also great to have a weatherman/chef....(really) on board...whether he likes it or not... great lesson on heaadsails too! Aahhh time is just too short, until next week, spread the luv 🤙
Hi guys, such an amazing video about sailing with the best music and the best editing. Glad to see you are doing great. Can’t wait for next one. Stay safe, stay healthy. Lots of hugs from NYC
Thank you sooo much for this video. You contrasted the differences and uses of each sail so clearly and concisely. I a noob, I have a hard time remembering the proper applications for each sail and this just really clicked. You are one of my favorite channels.
While I love ALL of your videos, I do admit that I have missed not seeing as many of the "educational variety" on your channel. I really enjoyed this video. Cheers!
I loved the (little bit more) technical side of the video...under the KISS (Keep It Simple Sailor 😂) principle....a bit envious because I can't be down there...but very happy that you guys are southbound...
About 2:00 in... LOVE the offhand meteorologist commentary. Recognizing wind/weather patterns and trends. Oh yeah, of course -- they're just off Cape Canaveral, close to the Gulf Stream. What does that look like on a typical morning? Love it!
About the PTSD with dragging the anchor, I'd recommend you watch the last dozen (or so) episodes from Rick Moore (Sailing Sophisticated Lady), he recently has been hit by two hurricanes (well, not quite, but I think the winds got up to 50 knots in the anchorage, without dragging. He made some pretty elaborate preparations (two anchors on the same chain) as well as using at least one really good anchor (Mantus, somewhat oversized for his boat)
@@glennlewman1377 AFAIK, cost, weight, strain on the anchor windlass and possibly handling. I think the benefits outweigh the drawbacks, though. You might want to head over to Rick's channel and check. I don't remember the episode when he installed the new anchor, but I think it was about 1.5 years back.
Nice edit guys. I I love the ease of programming all the victron stuff. It’s just so nice to sort it out and be self sufficient. Also I fitted the new Cerbo which is a great addition to things. I too love my asymmetrical spinnaker but hey upwind we need something else in light winds
Thanks for this discussion. I have a F28R trimaran. It came with a screecher, but when I tried to replace it they only had a code 0. I like my code zero as I can use it as a low crew spinnaker. It's very light weight and easier than the spinnaker. But thanks for the detail on the difference between the two sails. Second, I seem to recall that you have a pilot's license. The Bernoulli effect for flying and sailing is mis understood. I think that most of the lift comes from the newton effect (pressure) on the bottom of the wing, not the vacuum over the top. I don't deny that there may be some Bernoulli effect, but percentage wise for most flying the Newton effect explains most of it. Many wings are "wing shaped" but these planes can fly upside down by changing the angle of attack to produce increased force on the "ground side" of the wing which overcomes any low pressure produced by the wing shape. On boats the sails are rarely "wing shaped" they are membranes so the path difference on either side is very little. In the case of sails, there is always some pushing (Newton) from the rear on downwind sailing. However, I did agree with your analysis of the slot effect as a possible Bernoulli effect. However, when standing in the slot, I have not been impressed that it is a particularly strong effect. So, on all points of sail and for wings I believe there is a combination of Newton and Bernoulli forces, with the Bernoulli usually being the weaker.
I spent 5 years as a helicopter pilot on a tuna boat back in the late 70's. I'm a UA-cam sailor. In a different world I'd own a Catamaran. So I watch a lot of UA-cam about sailing and Cats. I'm not interested in the tourist ones. I've seen and been on so many islands. I really like the technical ones like this one. So I can learn how to sail, at least in my dreams. Great video about different sails.
I really want to thank you for reading my comment. Sorry about Sugar. As stated I have a cat. How do you deal with the poop and pee from an animal? If you know any sailors whth a cat, I'd ask them for advice.
What a terrifically described lesson on sails. Fantastic communication skills guys, loved it!!! We looooooove our screecher, except it is worn out so we collect our new one in late Jan. Fair winds friends.
First time viewer, saw the title and had to watch. I learned I bought the wrong sail… oops. I have been using my Code 0 on my 56’ Cat with some pretty steady results, not as good as your 7knot wind to 6 knot SOG. I did learn more on the spacing between the main and Zero, i will keep that in mind next time. Thank you. I am in Stuart, Fl finishing my refit of this 1999 FP Marquisis owners version. Should be shoving off this October for the Eastern Caribbean, Trinidad for the summer, then the western Caribbean. Not sure after that.
wow you got a big one! Lot of benefit to having the sail....just not the catch-all we were thinking it could be (and is marketed as). When it is good with that sail it is GOOOOOD! See you out there.
We just missed you guys! We were in St. Augustine Friday night. Such a cool town. i loved the description of the differences between the asym and the code zero. Spot on!! I know you are in the Bahamas now. Jelly!!!
I have a 150% Genoa, and a Cruising Spinnaker (aka Gennaker). Both of these are light wind sails. The Spinnaker is used for downwind -to- broadreach only. The 150% Genoa is used for a broadreach -to- reach only. Anything bigger than 150% will be blocked by the mainsail. The Code 0 is bigger than the 150% Genoa, but slightly smaller then the Cruising Spinnaker. It was invented to comply with racing rules which limited Genoa max size to 155%. The slot in which it would be useful has got to be tiny; thus, unless you're racing, it's space taken up would probably not be worth it. Thanks for this video, it's good to question these things. I think the Code 0 has a cool name = their new popularity.
Ref.. Aero-hydrodynamics of sailing by Marchaj. The mainsail functions mostly as a supplement to the headsail in tighter apparent wind angles, while the mainsail becomes less efficient compared to just mainsail alone. Looking at rig development recently, performance boats have trended toward larger J dimension making for more power and flexibility over wind angles and speeds. I.e. volvo race boats compared to a number of years ago, rigs are significantly further aft to allow for use of efficient headsails. Older style rig-forward fractional rigs were mainly a function of rating rules, or sail handling considerations. Code zero style headsails as you say can have a very limited range of effectiveness on typical boats. On very fast boats, they have wider range, as apparent wind is almost always fwd of the beam. I've raced on large performance monohulls where the apparent wind was only aft of the beam when true wind speed was over 23kts, when making max downwind vmg, and downwind sails were straight luff style up until higher wind speeds when the downwind sail used is a smaller loose luffed kite.
I love watching your videos, they are always a good mix of informative and entertaining! I would be interested to know how you keep your plants alive (garden) while out to sea and if you have to take extra precautions with the saltwater and sea spray adding salt to the plants, as well as anyone you may know or met with having really interesting setups as far as gardens/plants. I would also be interested in how you do meal planning and plan shopping trips. As a side note, I recently tried to create some UA-cam videos (unrelated topic) and I can now appreciate all of the the work you both put in to getting these out to us. Well done in not only providing quality content, but also making it look effortless! Keep up the good work!
That same cold front was my greeting the afternoon and night I came into Fernandina Beach. 20 to 30 knot winds gusting upwards of 40. I'm a little further South now in Green Cove Springs on the Saint James River. I'll be here for about a month while I make repairs and do a couple of upgrades. - S/V Celtic Star
@@TheOKellys Indeed! It was nice waking up to mid 50° temps this morning and not needing to run the heater. Now maybe I can get some things done without frozen fingers 🤣
Amazing Video. You did a great job explaining the pros and cons of a group of sails that is misunderstood. Thank you for posting this. If you every need anything please reach out.
Hey thanks, and chime in when we get it wrong, which occasionally happens (lol). We are always game to learn. You’ll be hearing from us re sails....I’m sure you could see, the main is getting a bit bagged out. And what do you think about this Code Zero...can this thing be recut flatter? Or do we need to start over with a proper screecher?
@@TheOKellys We would love to work with you guys on a new main. As for a recut on the Code Zero... the labor involved typically outweighs the benefits, a fresh design and build works best.
Just rewatching this to try and get a better handle on cat sail inventory, and I found myself mumbling things about "screacher this and screacher that" before you say "we should have ordered a screacher", and I realized then that everything I was thinking was based on the assumption that you guys (like so many others, including some sailmakers) were thinking of a screacher as just the multihull name for a Code 0, lol. Would love to see more videos on sail selection for a catamaran since you do such a great job of presenting a lot of information without it feeling like sitting in a lecture.
Great episode! That was a lot of fantastic information that I wasn't taught in any of my sailing classes. Only thing is that I'm now confused as to which is the better sail to have if you could only have one, the screecher or asymmetric spinnaker.
Now that’s tough....if you could only have one, then a Code Zero might be the answer, depending on where you sail. But really, if you plan to go long and far, you need a spinnaker and also a light air upwind sail.
Even though I am not a Cat fan, just personal preference, it never hurts to learn about them and there sail setup. Wonderful video as always and really enjoyed it.
@@TheOKellys Actually I have been on Cats many times, they are a nice boat and do great in warm water. It is just that I prefer traditional sailing yachts.
Excellent explanation of the Code 0 vs screecher. I have heard this before and will order a screecher when my cat is built. The spinnaker is a given, but might be tough to launch single hand. Still, it’s a gorgeous and efficient sail. Well explained Nick.
Have launched and retrieved the spinnaker single handed many times. Of course always easier with two people, but as long as wind isn’t too strong, it’s not a tremendous task. Yes, get the screecher!
We are relatively new cruisers on a Leopard 47 and we just found your channel a few days ago. Love your content! Do you have a video on how Megan made your inside window shades? If not, what kind of fabric did you use?
Great informative video as most of your videos are. Ariel and I wanted to wish you and Megan the happiest of holidays, you guys are the coolest out there and a happy new year year or should say and end to 2020? I think that's what I am more excited about. This year has been apocalyptic so we will be glad when it over. Megan that lobster in lemon butter looked amazing. Thanks for the videos. Sandra and Ariel
Great Intro- bet a lot of folks wanted to know how to "pay up" for the fun, education, and entertainment you guys present.. So now they know, because everyone knows this wouldn't go on for ever unless those that benefit and enjoy, contribute. I did!
Thank you for the support. We have absolutely NO GRIPES at all about going back to work to fund what would be another eventual adventure. But we are diggin this, and if others are too and we can make it all work, then that’d be great. We planned to do this for five years this time and this is year number five. So if we can make it a self sustaining thing, we are totally down with that. And heck, if it just extends things a bit....how awesome would that be? We are grateful for the privilege. You won’t meet anyone luckier that us. :)
When reaching, why not fly the asym from the leeward ama, instead of the windward? When dead downwind or at deep angles, having it to windward definitely helps get it out in the air. (And one of the great advantages of a cat!) If the tack were on the leeward ama, you could pull it around to leeward quite a bit further when the wind is abeam. We used to race symmetrical chutes at up to 90*. Then you almost don't need the code zero. The top true wind speed goes down a bit since your apparent wind will be higher. This was a really good video, and helped explain concepts with your excellent videography!
Appreciate the sailing education. I have heard the Code 0 is more of a reaching sail while the Asymmetrical is more or a downwind sail. Where would be screecher be in that setup? I probably need to spring for a Asymmetrical sail for my cat.
Could you look at replicating the tack adjustment system from the gennaker to work for the Code Zero? Getting the luff out to windward, in front of the mast, would give you a much greater downwind (deeper) range, surely? If you could then bring it back to your bowsprit to head up, you'd have a heap of pointing versatility!
You're doing fine👍, specially adjusting the leach line. What more do you want out of a Code O? Perhaps a large light air genoa. You called it, a SREECHER
Hi Megan & Nick, Another educational video which I commend you upon, these are perhaps some of the best out there for sailors, much of which when the internet first started I thought these types of videos were what it was all going to be about "education", wishful thinking... I was wondering about your thoughts on the "parasailor" spinnaker, with its horizontal slot to let excessive bursts of wind out? Keep it up guys, you're among the best! Pete
Thank you very much. That is very high praise. Trying to bring some sort of value or entertainment or education to the community. Never sailed a parasailor, but would like to. Have heard they are great.
Nick where did you anchor in West Palm? I was there about a month ago and anchored south of Peanut Island it seemed to me close to Peanut Island was really busy. Also I have a code zero also. I am going to send you pictures of how i have it set up with a continues line back to the helm so I can use the winches to furl the code zero. I also have a very light weather strip on the sail so it can stay up furled longer. This makes using it much quicker and easier.
We go further south....last season our neighbors closer to Peanut Island got a bit too close on several occasions. Holding there is not as good as it looks. Sure, send me your setup. Always game to see how others have solved problems.
Nick! Thank you... I've been watching sailing vlogs for over half a decade. I sure would have benefited from this information years ago. Informational videos are a great compliment to the channel and you've done a great job. Questions (maybe for a future video?) *Why is a code zero called a code zero? It seems like a brand name? Do other manufacturer's make code zeros that are called something else? * The asymmetrical sail looks awfully symmetrical to me... Am I wrong? If I'm right then why is it called asymmetrical instead of symmetrical??? * Is the head sail also called a jib?
I wonder if numbering episodes could help ppl search and see these in the order that you make them. just a thought. I like following the journey you're on... Thanks!
I find my code zero works better on its own in a lot of wind conditions as the main can block too much wind and negate the effectiveness of the sail,in the right conditions I can get 9Knots in 15Knots of wind with just the code zero.I do not have a spinnaker yet but seriously considering getting one as when the wind is dead behind i find the code zero not that efficient.
Lol, sorry about that....yes, there is a symmetrical spinnaker, but it’s just called a spinnaker most of the time. The asymmetrical spinnakers were developed later.
A regular symmetrical spinnaker is generally harder to fly, so fewer sailors use them as much as you do the asymmetrical. But you’ll see them on race boats.
Nick, have you considered a whisker pole for the Code Zero and a preventer to lock the main boom from wagging so much when flying the CZ? It seems that these two things could really help maintain the shape of both sails. Curious on your thoughts abouth this.
Yes we’ve used downhauls and vangs and preventers....on other boats. With the cat, all that gear just gets extra stress....all the sea state is going into the rig, all the time. Light winds with swells are just a bear. Downhauls on the clews (jib and code zero) are what we are plying with now. A pole on this boat is impractical.
Going to depend on the cut, but it’d be hard to get the clew out far enough without a pole. But if using a pole, I think twin headsails would be safer.
Thanks for the video. That makes us feeling, we're in Florida like last year. Sadly not, because the virus stops our plans. But we will come back soon. By the way, we love both T-Shirts. (: Take care and enjoy
As a life-long pilot, amateur meteorologist, sailor and windsurfer, I really relate to your fluid dynamic, flying-oriented explanations! One question RE code zero (getting a new Leopard 42 in October and ordering full sail wardrobe now for florida/bahamas/caribbean and later circumnavigation). I can imagine the code zero is annoying, constantly depowering in small swells in certain conditions. But, in a way it may be effectively "pumping" with each cycle: and though annoying, actually efficient. What do you experience in VMG in those conditions with the code zero versus a genoa when the wind angle is too tight for your spinnaker? Thanks in advance! (PS I haven't picked my spinnaker yet but do have a zero and D ordered)
On our boat we don’t get any productive pumping. It just starts popping, and that’s bad for everything. So if swell won’t allow the code 0 to stay filled, we roll it up or take it down. If I had the dough, I’d get a parasailor or similar. Congrats on the boat. Very popular choice!
have you thought about using a code D sail. I do not know what material you can use for a Code d sail manufacture though due i have just started looking into the sail instead of a ordering a code 0
Very nice explanation on the slot and the difference between the different sail. If I prefer not to fly the asymmetrical spinnaker due to having a short-handed crew, will the code zero be a better choice than screecher for the downwind performance?
I thought yes before we bought it, but now I say no. We frequently have trouble furling the Code Zero, and I know from others that we are not alone. The asymmetrical demands respect and caution, by I havdle it alone all the time. Easier of course with two people.
The code zero is a misunderstood racing sail. It is designed to outperform the genoa in light air and off the wind conditions. A racer would take a huge ratings hit if it carried a bigger version of the genoa. So they made a headsail that measures in as a spinnaker because racers can carry a few spinnakers. To measure in as a spinnaker, it cannot be a triangle. It has to be 70-80% as wide as the foot, midway up the sail. The front of the sail is the cut of a deep genoa. The back half, is supposed to flap in the breeze. Why? They need to have a lot of extra material somewhere or it wouldn’t measure in as a spinnaker so the leach is cut very loose. I can totally relate with feeling like you need to move the sheet lead forward. Don’t. Only consider it if the front telltales are not flying right and you’re sure you have the halyard tension right. Even better, tell the sailmaker you’re not a racer and to cut the extra material off. You don’t care if it doesn’t measure in as a spinnaker.
Just came across your channel. Very nice, very informative. Question: do you always run the engine(s) when a storm hits you while at anchor? Never thought of it, but sounds like a good idea. Cheers Michael
Schooner or later I will learn all these type of sails. I wonder why sails aren't transparent so the solar panels can have some Sun, or Why Elon Mast isn't designing sails with solar panels strip?
Welcome to the "Hood" We are local on Carpe Vita FP Venezia just north of you. Please le me know if you need anything. You can also join us tomorrow night for a crossing strategy with a couple other boats.
While I appreciate your thoughts I’ve spoken with more than a few very experienced sailors, sailors with a depth of knowledge re sails and sail management and they (unanimously) have a very different opinion of code zeros than yours. I would encourage others considering adding to their suite of sails to do their own research. You might find a code zero to suit the conditions you sail in, your experience and your vessel quite well.
Yeh I had heard for years how great a sail it is....I mean that’s why we went through the trouble and expense of buying one. However for a catamaran, all it gets you is from about 85 degrees apparent to 60-65 degrees apparent. And think about it....60 degrees apparent in 7-9 knots of wind....? That’s a beam reach at best! So your VMG is NOT what you/we had hoped for. Hey I’m not saying it’s a crap sail...I say the more and varied sails aboard the better. But please Don, give me an argument for why a Code Zero is such a fantastic sail on a catamaran. Really....I’d love know how to fly it better and get my money’s worth.
@@TheOKellys oh, I’m not a sail expert and like most I rely on the opinions of others to help me allocate my meagre sailing budget. When the topic comes up again with my friends I’ll present your opinion and see what they have say. My vessel is moored right next door to UK Sails. They are my sailmaker of choice. Precision is also nearby. When I’m ready to order the sail I’ll present your observations to both of them as well, just as I’m suggesting others considering adding a sail do. For me I’ll put all of these opinions into the mixing bowl before I make a decision on a new sail. So far my thoughts are to add a code zero on a Harken reflex furler for next season. As I single hand a lot, my sense is it will be an easier sail to deploy, manage and retrieve than a spinnaker in a sock. I’ve deployed a code zero on a furler on a friends boat and it was really quite easy, something I could manage single handed. Not so much with a spinnaker in a sock. With respect to trimming I saw the leech flutter in your video. It made me wonder if your sail has a leech line that could be tightened. Something more I need to investigate. I’ll also inquire about the sail cutting options for my vessel and my use. Once again I appreciate your thoughts on the sail, I’m just not sure it’s the final word on the topic. I don’t watch them anymore but La Vaga used to get a lot of use from their code zero, maybe they still do.
Yeh, I thought also that this would be an easy to manage sail. The torsion line makes it so simple! I got sold to.... The torsion line furling is a bear. We (and a lot of code zero sailors we’ve met) have a ton of trouble furling these sails. The bottom fuels but the top doesn’t so easily. We’ve even had it unroll on us in a stiff breeze. Notice I didn’t bring any of this upon the video. It’s not that I think it’s a bad sail. I just think for our use, in the ocean, the asym is a much more practical sail.
Thanks Nick! I'm glad to finally see a cat sailor on YT talking about sail shape and physics. But isn't the tack of an asymmetrical attached at the bowsprit for more efficiency? Or only the Code 0 (because it's so light) and maybe the screecher?
You can put the tack wherever you want. Typically, bringing it to windward is best when sailing deep, but we can move it in between sprit and windward bow pretty easily.
She's a finicky race sail... if you wanna go fast and don't mind working for it, it's a great sail.... if you want simplicity and a wide range of use, it's not a good choice.
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Thank you for being the only source that has actually taught me what sails do. I'm aware of how sails work, just like airplane wings, but could not grasp the concept of how multiple sails work together.
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One of the things I love about this channel is that the music is always new :)
Always new and the best on the sailing channels as far as I'm concerned. Mr.O'Kelly/Dolby crushes the tunes.
Best intro music so far.
Awwww, thanks.
Lessons mixed with Love is a great recipe you have mastered with your channel. Well done!
Awww, thanks. We try that recipe each week!
Ok, i dont know how to explain this...
I have no idea why you guys showed up on my UA-cam feed, but i was bored, had some beer...
I ended up binge watching your videos for the last two weeks. Started researching about sailing, cats and stuff.
As a german guy, living in the Alps, surrounded by mountains, im facing a hard time to convince my girlfriend how awesome a catamaran would be. Thank you for that...
Anyway, you are such a lovely couple and even if i probably never going to own a cat, i´ve got in contact with a sailing school (few hours from where i live) and will take some lessons next summer, if covid allows it.
You are inspiring. Thank you.
Wow, thank you! That’s about the highest compliment we could imagine. It is a wonderful adventure...and it starts with the idea and the decision to pursue it. You are there at the precipice. Very exciting. Keep in touch and let us know how it goes.
@@TheOKellys Ok, so i just had a corona secure glass of wine and signed up to some online lessons. Looks like its possible to get my radio license online. Got to start somewhere :)
So glad I found you! We are 2 years out from my dream of living on a boat, so I appreciate all of the wonderful information!
i've spent a total of 2 hours on a hobie cat 16 as my sailing experience... that was enough, for me, to understand how you could get completely hooked on it. That feeling that you could go anywhere in the world... anyway... Thank you for the explanation and visual comparison, as someone who knows almost nothing about sailing and the nomenclature.
Studying for an exam can be both stressful and tough. Watching your videos is great way to relax during breaks! :)
You can count your blessings based on those you come in contact with, you two are so blessed to have such a great circle of people around you and The Circle is also blessed to have you in the center. We all are better through this wonderful interaction. Its also great to have a weatherman/chef....(really) on board...whether he likes it or not... great lesson on heaadsails too! Aahhh time is just too short, until next week, spread the luv 🤙
Brother, that’s how we see it as well. We are the luckiest people you’ll ever meet.
Excellent short lesson. Reminds me of sailing class every morning just before we went out for practical application of what we learned that morning.
Ah, that’s quite a compliment. Hoping to give some insights here and there based on our experiences.
Hi guys, such an amazing video about sailing with the best music and the best editing.
Glad to see you are doing great.
Can’t wait for next one. Stay safe, stay healthy.
Lots of hugs from NYC
Thank you sooo much for this video. You contrasted the differences and uses of each sail so clearly and concisely. I a noob, I have a hard time remembering the proper applications for each sail and this just really clicked. You are one of my favorite channels.
Awwww, thanks Dan. There are so many sails out there. Really....dozens of designs and purposes. It’s fascinating
While I love ALL of your videos, I do admit that I have missed not seeing as many of the "educational variety" on your channel. I really enjoyed this video. Cheers!
Ahhh, thanks Brian!
Killing it with the awesome tunes as always.
Thanks for the fantastic descriptions of the various additional headsails available for cats.
I loved the (little bit more) technical side of the video...under the KISS (Keep It Simple Sailor 😂) principle....a bit envious because I can't be down there...but very happy that you guys are southbound...
About 2:00 in... LOVE the offhand meteorologist commentary. Recognizing wind/weather patterns and trends. Oh yeah, of course -- they're just off Cape Canaveral, close to the Gulf Stream. What does that look like on a typical morning? Love it!
Can’t help it. Lol. Always have my head in the clouds.
About the PTSD with dragging the anchor, I'd recommend you watch the last dozen (or so) episodes from Rick Moore (Sailing Sophisticated Lady), he recently has been hit by two hurricanes (well, not quite, but I think the winds got up to 50 knots in the anchorage, without dragging. He made some pretty elaborate preparations (two anchors on the same chain) as well as using at least one really good anchor (Mantus, somewhat oversized for his boat)
Are there any down sides to having a larger anchor as your main anchor?
@@glennlewman1377 AFAIK, cost, weight, strain on the anchor windlass and possibly handling. I think the benefits outweigh the drawbacks, though.
You might want to head over to Rick's channel and check. I don't remember the episode when he installed the new anchor, but I think it was about 1.5 years back.
Gone with the Wynns, too... 71 knot winds?!?
Nice edit guys. I I love the ease of programming all the victron stuff. It’s just so nice to sort it out and be self sufficient. Also I fitted the new Cerbo which is a great addition to things. I too love my asymmetrical spinnaker but hey upwind we need something else in light winds
Screecher I think....
Thanks Guys that was a very frank talk about code zero , Now I realise we are not the only ones scratching our heads with ours.
Great work
John
Nice to have of course, but not super easy to handle or optimize
How awesome it is when you have your patterns rushing to be the first to post a comment....you guys ROCK....
right? so cool
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Thanks for this discussion. I have a F28R trimaran. It came with a screecher, but when I tried to replace it they only had a code 0. I like my code zero as I can use it as a low crew spinnaker. It's very light weight and easier than the spinnaker. But thanks for the detail on the difference between the two sails. Second, I seem to recall that you have a pilot's license. The Bernoulli effect for flying and sailing is mis understood. I think that most of the lift comes from the newton effect (pressure) on the bottom of the wing, not the vacuum over the top. I don't deny that there may be some Bernoulli effect, but percentage wise for most flying the Newton effect explains most of it. Many wings are "wing shaped" but these planes can fly upside down by changing the angle of attack to produce increased force on the "ground side" of the wing which overcomes any low pressure produced by the wing shape. On boats the sails are rarely "wing shaped" they are membranes so the path difference on either side is very little. In the case of sails, there is always some pushing (Newton) from the rear on downwind sailing. However, I did agree with your analysis of the slot effect as a possible Bernoulli effect. However, when standing in the slot, I have not been impressed that it is a particularly strong effect. So, on all points of sail and for wings I believe there is a combination of Newton and Bernoulli forces, with the Bernoulli usually being the weaker.
Good call on the Screecher Vs Code 0 - Save the engines and sail as much as humanly possible.
That is the goal!
I spent 5 years as a helicopter pilot on a tuna boat back in the late 70's. I'm a UA-cam sailor. In a different world I'd own a Catamaran. So I watch a lot of UA-cam about sailing and Cats. I'm not interested in the tourist ones. I've seen and been on so many islands. I really like the technical ones like this one. So I can learn how to sail, at least in my dreams. Great video about different sails.
I really want to thank you for reading my comment. Sorry about Sugar. As stated I have a cat. How do you deal with the poop and pee from an animal? If you know any sailors whth a cat, I'd ask them for advice.
More info, as always from you two. Already looking forward to the next one...
What a terrifically described lesson on sails. Fantastic communication skills guys, loved it!!! We looooooove our screecher, except it is worn out so we collect our new one in late Jan. Fair winds friends.
Lucky!
Man what a zoo dinghying to the meetup! but you really delivered - you carried it to her, good job!
First time viewer, saw the title and had to watch. I learned I bought the wrong sail… oops. I have been using my Code 0 on my 56’ Cat with some pretty steady results, not as good as your 7knot wind to 6 knot SOG. I did learn more on the spacing between the main and Zero, i will keep that in mind next time. Thank you.
I am in Stuart, Fl finishing my refit of this 1999 FP Marquisis owners version. Should be shoving off this October for the Eastern Caribbean, Trinidad for the summer, then the western Caribbean. Not sure after that.
wow you got a big one! Lot of benefit to having the sail....just not the catch-all we were thinking it could be (and is marketed as). When it is good with that sail it is GOOOOOD! See you out there.
We just missed you guys! We were in St. Augustine Friday night. Such a cool town. i loved the description of the differences between the asym and the code zero. Spot on!! I know you are in the Bahamas now. Jelly!!!
Yes, a great spot there. Hard to pass by without stopping. Sorry we missed ya!
I have a 150% Genoa, and a Cruising Spinnaker (aka Gennaker). Both of these are light wind sails. The Spinnaker is used for downwind -to- broadreach only. The 150% Genoa is used for a broadreach -to- reach only. Anything bigger than 150% will be blocked by the mainsail. The Code 0 is bigger than the 150% Genoa, but slightly smaller then the Cruising Spinnaker. It was invented to comply with racing rules which limited Genoa max size to 155%. The slot in which it would be useful has got to be tiny; thus, unless you're racing, it's space taken up would probably not be worth it. Thanks for this video, it's good to question these things. I think the Code 0 has a cool name = their new popularity.
Ref.. Aero-hydrodynamics of sailing by Marchaj. The mainsail functions mostly as a supplement to the headsail in tighter apparent wind angles, while the mainsail becomes less efficient compared to just mainsail alone. Looking at rig development recently, performance boats have trended toward larger J dimension making for more power and flexibility over wind angles and speeds. I.e. volvo race boats compared to a number of years ago, rigs are significantly further aft to allow for use of efficient headsails. Older style rig-forward fractional rigs were mainly a function of rating rules, or sail handling considerations.
Code zero style headsails as you say can have a very limited range of effectiveness on typical boats. On very fast boats, they have wider range, as apparent wind is almost always fwd of the beam. I've raced on large performance monohulls where the apparent wind was only aft of the beam when true wind speed was over 23kts, when making max downwind vmg, and downwind sails were straight luff style up until higher wind speeds when the downwind sail used is a smaller loose luffed kite.
Nick I really like your teaching style... Thanks for keeping things simple. Appreciate you guys and what your doing.
Thank you Ron. Appreciate that.
I love watching your videos, they are always a good mix of informative and entertaining! I would be interested to know how you keep your plants alive (garden) while out to sea and if you have to take extra precautions with the saltwater and sea spray adding salt to the plants, as well as anyone you may know or met with having really interesting setups as far as gardens/plants. I would also be interested in how you do meal planning and plan shopping trips.
As a side note, I recently tried to create some UA-cam videos (unrelated topic) and I can now appreciate all of the the work you both put in to getting these out to us. Well done in not only providing quality content, but also making it look effortless! Keep up the good work!
That same cold front was my greeting the afternoon and night I came into Fernandina Beach. 20 to 30 knot winds gusting upwards of 40. I'm a little further South now in Green Cove Springs on the Saint James River. I'll be here for about a month while I make repairs and do a couple of upgrades. - S/V Celtic Star
nice! Winter on your tail!
@@TheOKellys Indeed! It was nice waking up to mid 50° temps this morning and not needing to run the heater. Now maybe I can get some things done without frozen fingers 🤣
Amazing Video. You did a great job explaining the pros and cons of a group of sails that is misunderstood. Thank you for posting this. If you every need anything please reach out.
Hey thanks, and chime in when we get it wrong, which occasionally happens (lol). We are always game to learn. You’ll be hearing from us re sails....I’m sure you could see, the main is getting a bit bagged out. And what do you think about this Code Zero...can this thing be recut flatter? Or do we need to start over with a proper screecher?
@@TheOKellys We would love to work with you guys on a new main. As for a recut on the Code Zero... the labor involved typically outweighs the benefits, a fresh design and build works best.
Just rewatching this to try and get a better handle on cat sail inventory, and I found myself mumbling things about "screacher this and screacher that" before you say "we should have ordered a screacher", and I realized then that everything I was thinking was based on the assumption that you guys (like so many others, including some sailmakers) were thinking of a screacher as just the multihull name for a Code 0, lol.
Would love to see more videos on sail selection for a catamaran since you do such a great job of presenting a lot of information without it feeling like sitting in a lecture.
Lol
This was a lovely video! Well done O'Kelly's
Thank you guys!
nice video, I really enjoy the calm and clear explanation about the sails, well done
Great episode! That was a lot of fantastic information that I wasn't taught in any of my sailing classes. Only thing is that I'm now confused as to which is the better sail to have if you could only have one, the screecher or asymmetric spinnaker.
Now that’s tough....if you could only have one, then a Code Zero might be the answer, depending on where you sail. But really, if you plan to go long and far, you need a spinnaker and also a light air upwind sail.
Even though I am not a Cat fan, just personal preference, it never hurts to learn about them and there sail setup. Wonderful video as always and really enjoyed it.
We are all catamaran fans at heart....some of us just don’t know it yet.... lol..... just kidding. Thanks for the note.
@@TheOKellys Actually I have been on Cats many times, they are a nice boat and do great in warm water. It is just that I prefer traditional sailing yachts.
Excellent explanation of the Code 0 vs screecher. I have heard this before and will order a screecher when my cat is built. The spinnaker is a given, but might be tough to launch single hand. Still, it’s a gorgeous and efficient sail. Well explained Nick.
Have launched and retrieved the spinnaker single handed many times. Of course always easier with two people, but as long as wind isn’t too strong, it’s not a tremendous task. Yes, get the screecher!
@@TheOKellys Thanks for the encouragement. I’m a bit older than you, but it’s another good reason to stay fit. :)
We are relatively new cruisers on a Leopard 47 and we just found your channel a few days ago. Love your content! Do you have a video on how Megan made your inside window shades? If not, what kind of fabric did you use?
The bedroom shades or outside? The outside is phifertex. The inside shades are just fun upholstery fabric. Video? Hmmm, maybe, will have to look.
And thank you for the compliment. And welcome to the Leopard family!
@@TheOKellys The inside shades.
Hi Cheryl, it’s just regular upholstery fabric from JoAnn’s. Super easy project, have fun!
@@TheOKellys Thank you!
Thanks for the rundown on the difference between the sails. Interesting
Great informative video as most of your videos are. Ariel and I wanted to wish you and Megan the happiest of holidays, you guys are the coolest out there and a happy new year year or should say and end to 2020? I think that's what I am more excited about. This year has been apocalyptic so we will be glad when it over. Megan that lobster in lemon butter looked amazing. Thanks for the videos. Sandra and Ariel
Really enjoy your content! Also, the best travel gift I have ever received is an "I Love Tacos" shirt from Por Que No
Awesome tech talk. I knew they were different but now I know WHY!
Another great video
Thanks guys
Timmy
I dunno why i like your guys channel so much. Y'all so oddly luvable.
Aww thank you!
Great Intro- bet a lot of folks wanted to know how to "pay up" for the fun, education, and entertainment you guys present..
So now they know, because everyone knows this wouldn't go on for ever unless those that benefit and enjoy, contribute.
I did!
Thank you for the support. We have absolutely NO GRIPES at all about going back to work to fund what would be another eventual adventure. But we are diggin this, and if others are too and we can make it all work, then that’d be great. We planned to do this for five years this time and this is year number five. So if we can make it a self sustaining thing, we are totally down with that. And heck, if it just extends things a bit....how awesome would that be? We are grateful for the privilege. You won’t meet anyone luckier that us. :)
awesomely nerdy stuff. TIL how sails work. thanks!
Just like always, loads of useful content. Keep you weather knowledge coming.
You guys are awesome! Great explanation on the code zero and spinnaker!
How about a screecher vs. the asymmetrical spinnaker? I learned a lot from this one...
You two crack me up over the lobster!!! Safe sailing. Merry Christmas. ODAAT.
Very well illustrated, well produced explanation.
When reaching, why not fly the asym from the leeward ama, instead of the windward? When dead downwind or at deep angles, having it to windward definitely helps get it out in the air. (And one of the great advantages of a cat!) If the tack were on the leeward ama, you could pull it around to leeward quite a bit further when the wind is abeam. We used to race symmetrical chutes at up to 90*. Then you almost don't need the code zero. The top true wind speed goes down a bit since your apparent wind will be higher. This was a really good video, and helped explain concepts with your excellent videography!
You could but I don’t see why you’d need to bring it leeward of the sprit. Don’t think the sail would be that efficient over there. Too much leeway.
Appreciate the sailing education. I have heard the Code 0 is more of a reaching sail while the Asymmetrical is more or a downwind sail. Where would be screecher be in that setup? I probably need to spring for a Asymmetrical sail for my cat.
Screecher typically a close reaching sail, cut really flat….or flatter than a Code D or Code 0
Could you look at replicating the tack adjustment system from the gennaker to work for the Code Zero?
Getting the luff out to windward, in front of the mast, would give you a much greater downwind (deeper) range, surely?
If you could then bring it back to your bowsprit to head up, you'd have a heap of pointing versatility!
You're doing fine👍, specially adjusting the leach line. What more do you want out of a Code O? Perhaps a large light air genoa. You called it, a SREECHER
Oh yeh...want ....a .....screecher! And a parasail. That would be cool too.
Love you both! I hope fortune always finds you. ❤️❤️❤️
Hi Megan & Nick,
Another educational video which I commend you upon, these are perhaps some of the best out there for sailors, much of which when the internet first started I thought these types of videos were what it was all going to be about "education", wishful thinking... I was wondering about your thoughts on the "parasailor" spinnaker, with its horizontal slot to let excessive bursts of wind out?
Keep it up guys, you're among the best!
Pete
Thank you very much. That is very high praise. Trying to bring some sort of value or entertainment or education to the community. Never sailed a parasailor, but would like to. Have heard they are great.
Calm video, I like the tone
Nick where did you anchor in West Palm? I was there about a month ago and anchored south of Peanut Island it seemed to me close to Peanut Island was really busy. Also I have a code zero also. I am going to send you pictures of how i have it set up with a continues line back to the helm so I can use the winches to furl the code zero. I also have a very light weather strip on the sail so it can stay up furled longer. This makes using it much quicker and easier.
We go further south....last season our neighbors closer to Peanut Island got a bit too close on several occasions. Holding there is not as good as it looks. Sure, send me your setup. Always game to see how others have solved problems.
Hey you guys are doing a great job. More technical vids, please. Learning a lot.
Nick! Thank you... I've been watching sailing vlogs for over half a decade. I sure would have benefited from this information years ago. Informational videos are a great compliment to the channel and you've done a great job.
Questions (maybe for a future video?)
*Why is a code zero called a code zero? It seems like a brand name? Do other manufacturer's make code zeros that are called something else?
* The asymmetrical sail looks awfully symmetrical to me... Am I wrong? If I'm right then why is it called asymmetrical instead of symmetrical???
* Is the head sail also called a jib?
Stay tuned for part 2! Good ideas!
I wonder if numbering episodes could help ppl search and see these in the order that you make them. just a thought. I like following the journey you're on... Thanks!
Hmmmm. Interesting idea. Thanks!
I find my code zero works better on its own in a lot of wind conditions as the main can block too much wind and negate the effectiveness of the sail,in the right conditions I can get 9Knots in 15Knots of wind with just the code zero.I do not have a spinnaker yet but seriously considering getting one as when the wind is dead behind i find the code zero not that efficient.
is there a symmetrical spinnaker? if not calling it a asymmetrical spinnaker seems redundant or is it to confuse the landlubbers? like me
Lol, sorry about that....yes, there is a symmetrical spinnaker, but it’s just called a spinnaker most of the time. The asymmetrical spinnakers were developed later.
@@TheOKellys thanks it was always confusing me i suppose they are better because it appears nobody talks about a spinnaker
A regular symmetrical spinnaker is generally harder to fly, so fewer sailors use them as much as you do the asymmetrical. But you’ll see them on race boats.
@@TheOKellys thanks
Nick, have you considered a whisker pole for the Code Zero and a preventer to lock the main boom from wagging so much when flying the CZ? It seems that these two things could really help maintain the shape of both sails. Curious on your thoughts abouth this.
Yes we’ve used downhauls and vangs and preventers....on other boats. With the cat, all that gear just gets extra stress....all the sea state is going into the rig, all the time. Light winds with swells are just a bear. Downhauls on the clews (jib and code zero) are what we are plying with now. A pole on this boat is impractical.
How often do you check or clean your engine
12:04 That rosemary looks like tarragon :)
Is that the old school 4 quart all clad sauce pot?
I just looo'ove the O'Kelly's
And we love you!
@@TheOKellys that is... h'mmm... at lot of love!
It's not true that the spinnaker is always launched with a sock or snuffer, that only counts for some cruising spinnakers
What about Code D's, and Parasailors, and Gennakers, and... More episodes! Good stuff, thanks!
Is there a reason you can't fly the Code Zero in a wing-on-wing configuration with the main to run downwind?
Going to depend on the cut, but it’d be hard to get the clew out far enough without a pole. But if using a pole, I think twin headsails would be safer.
Thanks for the video. That makes us feeling, we're in Florida like last year. Sadly not, because the virus stops our plans. But we will come back soon. By the way, we love both T-Shirts. (: Take care and enjoy
Great technical video. I learned a lot!
As a life-long pilot, amateur meteorologist, sailor and windsurfer, I really relate to your fluid dynamic, flying-oriented explanations! One question RE code zero (getting a new Leopard 42 in October and ordering full sail wardrobe now for florida/bahamas/caribbean and later circumnavigation). I can imagine the code zero is annoying, constantly depowering in small swells in certain conditions. But, in a way it may be effectively "pumping" with each cycle: and though annoying, actually efficient. What do you experience in VMG in those conditions with the code zero versus a genoa when the wind angle is too tight for your spinnaker? Thanks in advance! (PS I haven't picked my spinnaker yet but do have a zero and D ordered)
On our boat we don’t get any productive pumping. It just starts popping, and that’s bad for everything. So if swell won’t allow the code 0 to stay filled, we roll it up or take it down. If I had the dough, I’d get a parasailor or similar. Congrats on the boat. Very popular choice!
Very interesting. Great lesson!!! Thanx from Canada 😁🇨🇦🇨🇦🇺🇸🇺🇸
Keep the cool music mixes coming
Nick, do you think if the Code 0 tack could be pulled lower it would help flatten the sail?
yes, and we typically did just that. Used a low-friction ring off the amidships cleat
have you thought about using a code D sail. I do not know what material you can use for a Code d sail manufacture though due i have just started looking into the sail instead of a ordering a code 0
Would love to try it.
Very nice explanation on the slot and the difference between the different sail. If I prefer not to fly the asymmetrical spinnaker due to having a short-handed crew, will the code zero be a better choice than screecher for the downwind performance?
I thought yes before we bought it, but now I say no. We frequently have trouble furling the Code Zero, and I know from others that we are not alone. The asymmetrical demands respect and caution, by I havdle it alone all the time. Easier of course with two people.
15.11 your a good man ! Haha😀 . Hey with the rain before, do you have a way to collect it?🤔
No, typically tough to get clean rain water at these latitudes near populations.
@@TheOKellys charcoal filter, then 'washer'ing yr feet and shower . Possibly 🤔
On this boat would need a separate tank.
@@TheOKellys baahaahaa 🤣 sounds like children to me, I retract comment before. lol
Awesome video about sail tech. Thanks
All that fresh water you could of put in your tanks from the rain with clear plastic make triangle with one end pointing down to collect the water .
Another great video!
Oh. I was waiting for the clap and maybe a bit of a dance to go with it 😉
The code zero is a misunderstood racing sail. It is designed to outperform the genoa in light air and off the wind conditions. A racer would take a huge ratings hit if it carried a bigger version of the genoa. So they made a headsail that measures in as a spinnaker because racers can carry a few spinnakers. To measure in as a spinnaker, it cannot be a triangle. It has to be 70-80% as wide as the foot, midway up the sail. The front of the sail is the cut of a deep genoa. The back half, is supposed to flap in the breeze. Why? They need to have a lot of extra material somewhere or it wouldn’t measure in as a spinnaker so the leach is cut very loose. I can totally relate with feeling like you need to move the sheet lead forward. Don’t. Only consider it if the front telltales are not flying right and you’re sure you have the halyard tension right. Even better, tell the sailmaker you’re not a racer and to cut the extra material off. You don’t care if it doesn’t measure in as a spinnaker.
Just came across your channel. Very nice, very informative. Question: do you always run the engine(s) when a storm hits you while at anchor? Never thought of it, but sounds like a good idea. Cheers Michael
Yes, pretty much always now. We’ve met so many boats struck by lightning and several were immobilized when starters got cooked.
@@TheOKellys interesting. Will keep in mind once we get back on the water in March. The Baltic Sea is not the Bahamas 🥲
Hello from southwest Florida
Hello!
Learned. Thanks.
Why is keeping the engine on the right thing to do in a storm?
Two reasons....ready if anchor drags and also if struck by lightning engines may not start.
@@TheOKellys thank you! What a great tip! xx
Great video, but more importantly where did you get that I love tacos shirt? My husband needs that lol 🌮 ❤️
Porque No Taquería in Portland. My brother in laws place. Order online!
Schooner or later I will learn all these type of sails. I wonder why sails aren't transparent so the solar panels can have some Sun, or Why Elon Mast isn't designing sails with solar panels strip?
Someday....someday....
Agree
Welcome to the "Hood" We are local on Carpe Vita FP Venezia just north of you. Please le me know if you need anything. You can also join us tomorrow night for a crossing strategy with a couple other boats.
Thanks Cal. Actually in Abacos now. Have a good crossing!
While I appreciate your thoughts I’ve spoken with more than a few very experienced sailors, sailors with a depth of knowledge re sails and sail management and they (unanimously) have a very different opinion of code zeros than yours.
I would encourage others considering adding to their suite of sails to do their own research. You might find a code zero to suit the conditions you sail in, your experience and your vessel quite well.
Yeh I had heard for years how great a sail it is....I mean that’s why we went through the trouble and expense of buying one. However for a catamaran, all it gets you is from about 85 degrees apparent to 60-65 degrees apparent. And think about it....60 degrees apparent in 7-9 knots of wind....? That’s a beam reach at best! So your VMG is NOT what you/we had hoped for. Hey I’m not saying it’s a crap sail...I say the more and varied sails aboard the better. But please Don, give me an argument for why a Code Zero is such a fantastic sail on a catamaran. Really....I’d love know how to fly it better and get my money’s worth.
@@TheOKellys oh, I’m not a sail expert and like most I rely on the opinions of others to help me allocate my meagre sailing budget. When the topic comes up again with my friends I’ll present your opinion and see what they have say. My vessel is moored right next door to UK Sails. They are my sailmaker of choice. Precision is also nearby. When I’m ready to order the sail I’ll present your observations to both of them as well, just as I’m suggesting others considering adding a sail do.
For me I’ll put all of these opinions into the mixing bowl before I make a decision on a new sail. So far my thoughts are to add a code zero on a Harken reflex furler for next season. As I single hand a lot, my sense is it will be an easier sail to deploy, manage and retrieve than a spinnaker in a sock. I’ve deployed a code zero on a furler on a friends boat and it was really quite easy, something I could manage single handed. Not so much with a spinnaker in a sock. With respect to trimming I saw the leech flutter in your video. It made me wonder if your sail has a leech line that could be tightened. Something more I need to investigate. I’ll also inquire about the sail cutting options for my vessel and my use.
Once again I appreciate your thoughts on the sail, I’m just not sure it’s the final word on the topic.
I don’t watch them anymore but La Vaga used to get a lot of use from their code zero, maybe they still do.
Yeh, I thought also that this would be an easy to manage sail. The torsion line makes it so simple! I got sold to....
The torsion line furling is a bear. We (and a lot of code zero sailors we’ve met) have a ton of trouble furling these sails. The bottom fuels but the top doesn’t so easily. We’ve even had it unroll on us in a stiff breeze. Notice I didn’t bring any of this upon the video. It’s not that I think it’s a bad sail.
I just think for our use, in the ocean, the asym is a much more practical sail.
@@TheOKellys do you mind if I ask what furling system you are using?
It’s and Evo continuous line furler. The torsion line came with the sail. It’s sewn in.
Could you tie the code 0 off on the boom to keep it parallel in a chop?
Thanks Nick! I'm glad to finally see a cat sailor on YT talking about sail shape and physics. But isn't the tack of an asymmetrical attached at the bowsprit for more efficiency? Or only the Code 0 (because it's so light) and maybe the screecher?
You can put the tack wherever you want. Typically, bringing it to windward is best when sailing deep, but we can move it in between sprit and windward bow pretty easily.
She's a finicky race sail... if you wanna go fast and don't mind working for it, it's a great sail.... if you want simplicity and a wide range of use, it's not a good choice.
I have to say in the on going debate over which sails are best for which boat that... I do love tacos.
Lol. Exactly. We can all agree on that.