It's a pity that only Tav answers questions about Astarion. I wish Astarion would also answer questions about MC, and both of them made steps towards each other. No, I understand that this is probably technically difficult to do, since the past of Tawa is essentially our headcanon. But I would like to imagine that it was so.
Hell no, the last time my favorite snarky, possibly-evil elf crush had a romantic kissing scene in front of a waterfall, he stole my character's sweet face tattoos, broke up with her, and only hit her up years later to cut her arm off and tell her he was going to blow up the world because he liked hanging out with ghosts more than her. Bald egghead bastard gave me elf romance PTSD...
maybe this is my deluision but it seems like Astarion goes from "alright, I'll entertain this" to pleasantly surprised and even enjoying himself as you answer more truthfully, then to back to his more guarded but still playful self after when admitting you know him better than he might've expected
@@afairyist9981 I think it goes deeper than that. Zethino already knows what Astarion's fears are, but can you name them and face them with him? The test wasn't how to keep his secrets but how well do you know him.
I don't know how it is for other characters, but Astarion has two sets of right answers. The truthful ones that he disapprove but admits are true, and the false superficial ones that he wants to hear and approves of.
Another way is, make sure you have other NPC encounters before the Circus. For example is had Orin being the Blacksmith and the Journalist in Rivington, but not at the Circus anymore then.
I haven't been to the dryad yet but for me Orin showed up as one of the Flaming Fist guarding the barn that was repurposed for the refugees... I figured it out pretty quick when the NPC was saying we should slaughter everyone, so unless there's a bug she shouldn't appear again (to give this dialogue at least)
Oh, the other clips I've seen of this part, Astarion is always like "Oh, I'M the one you love? Cool", this is the first one I've seen where he's like "Sure thing, my love, let's do it".
Nvermind, i found it ou myself as i went talking to other NPCs first. She was the Blacksmith and the Journalist for me. But so far the circus is free of Orin now :D
actually you can also answer with 'freedom' and the 'slave' option and be fully right about it. He'll just not like you spilling the tea. I am conflicted. He's just funny when he's like, "really? Do we need to tell strangers?" but the disapproval....
Same. I typically don’t go with them though because I don’t think it’s fair to him to spill everything to a random stranger. Given his past, trust, and feeling safe are extremely important to him. I like to headcannon that my character pulls him aside later to let him know that they know the actual correct answers to those questions, but just didn’t want to tell some random person. Which works out especially well when it turns out to be Orin.
Or talk to random NPC's and encounter her disguised as them. For me, it was a guard at the donation barn and a wounded criminal I found on the way to the ship where you encounter one of Nine-Finger's crews. As far as I know, as long as you encounter twice beforehand she doesn't come up in this scene.
I tried, he doesn't deny the things you say but he keeps disapproving you, he panicks and complains about why the hell you tell these private and sensitive matters in front of strangers. So, don't do it :D
@@ladymaria5921I kind of liked his response to “freedom”. He disapproves but it doesn’t give away much, and there’s something sweet about picking the joke answer next to ease his discomfort.
He will still join you on the log and give the line about you knowing him, so it's not a horrible way to play it if it fits your roleplaying to give the honest answers and you have a high enough approval that you can risk three disapproval points. That's how I played it because my Tav is super honest and took the test seriously. Even though he isn't happy the dryad gives a line about the need for vulnerability in a relationship, so I feel it also worked as far as Astarion's development. So if you want him to join you on the log rather than storm away, you have to either be completely honest the whole time ("he's happy right now- look at that smile" "freedom" "forever feeling like a slave to someone else") or a very specific set of lies ("when he's elbow-deep in gore" "revenge" "breaking a nail") Any other combination of answers will make him walk away, even ones that give approval.
wait what? i visited the circus very early into the new area and didnt get any orin cutscene, just a sweet little kiss at the end. also the nypme looked very different
kill her before u get to this scene OR meet Orin twice before meeting the dryad. Orin can be shapeshifted as a guard and the blacksmith. If the dryad is red when you meet her (a bug i think?), that's Orin
These answers are shallow and not true for Astarion. He gets mad when you give the true answers which are he's never been happy, he desires freedom, and he fears being a slave forever.
@@MurakamiTenshi Yes and no. He definitely gets more possessive and more evil (world ruler allures) but it seems to depend on your approval level and/or your dialogue choices.
@@MurakamiTenshi Like the others have said, but I'd just like to add that he can seem "sweet" but only as long as you say and do what he wants you to, very healthy relationship dynamic 😅
Pretty sure Orin takes the form of a few specific npcs, and you only get scenes, like, twice other than your companion So if, for example, you got the blacksmith and the journalist Orin scenes, you’d get the regular love test
@Hexer404 ohhh my 1st encounter with Orin was the flaming Fist guard at the refugee camp, the 1 guarding the door of the donation barn somewhere NW of the building iirc. Second time was the blacksmith
I mean i think the first option is probably more correct for the first question, even if he gets defensive. But yeah I would disapprove too if the person I trusted the most told some random person about the most vunarable parts of me. It would immeadiatly and completely break all that trust.
@@afairyist9981 I couldn’t pick that because it felt rudely presumptuous, while we can see he enjoys killing. He had a whole ass life before he was captured, and seems to have small moments of joy in the game. I guess it says a lot if you’re truly the only person who’s ever cared for him, but it seems like he was a very successful person in his old life, and morally not the greatest guy, so I’d think he derived some form of happiness in his own way. So it seems like gore is “correct” in the sense that it’s the only answer on that question that gives you a point towards a positive outcome. To me it doesn’t look like he even agrees with the never been happy option like he does the next two serious answers.
@@donglegs Oh yes it definatly is, never is a very strong word and I don't think an outside person could ever make such a statement. It also depends on what exactly you mean with happiness and we know so little about his life. "Happiness" can mean very different things and only the person themselves can know their own emotions, so I am not actually disagreeing with you. My thought process with the question being "When is he happiest?" was that the gore one seemed "shallow" (don't know if that's the right word). If someone describes their happiest moment as being while killing things and people that's quite sad, and I don't really think that's "genuine" happiness. And I don't see him being defensive over it as it meaning it isn't true nescisarily, he is more open with the other two being true, but I interpreted that to be because he'd already opened up to you about that and not being happy was something he maybe wasn't ready to admit to himself? I am definatly reading into this too much 😅 Him never having been close to anyone else does say quite a lot. I am really curious about what his life was like because I've heard very different versions, him being a magistrate is the only part I feel confident about. I thought I saw someone get a good outcome by picking never being happy and the other two disagrees? I could remember wrong though. But yeah I could never pick any of the serious answers. Telling a stranger things he trusted you with, right when he's starting to be comfortable being vunarable with you is too awful, even if you can still get the good outcome.
@@afairyist9981 Honestly, freedom is such a common thing to want, I didn’t even think about how it might be sensitive to disclose, and his response almost sounds like a warning not to go into further detail (also I thought it might know the truth anyway). What’s interesting is how he likes revenge as an answer even when it still relates to his past. Maybe because it doesn’t directly allude to what he had taken from him. Now that you’ve got me thinking about it, I suppose when people are asked when they’re happiest in the context of a personality test or bio kind of thing, the standard answers would probably be related to hobbies and interests, like “curled up with a book”, or “when I’m with my family”, or something. Like what gives you the most positive feelings, whether you’re truly happy overall or not. A depressed, broken person still has a “happiest” they can be, right? In Astarion’s present situation it might genuinely be while fighting, aside from being around Tav. So you’re right that it kinda depends on how you’re thinking of happiness and how you interpret the question. I know they’ve changed some things in patches but I saw MMOgurl choose never been happy > freedom > they fear him (which he likes) and he got mad. I chose gore > freedom > breaking a nail, and got a nice outcome. So it sounds like the first question was the issue. Not sure. I’m also very curious about his backstory beyond what we’re given. I wonder if I missed some dialogue or they ended up glossing over stuff, because I remember Larian saying he pissed off the gur as a magistrate, maybe that he ruled unfairly against them.
those are the answers he Likes hearing, the answers you will gain approval from saying. However if you give the truthful answers: "astarion has never been happy," "astarion wants freedom," "he fears forever being a slave to someone else" he will understandably get a little upset because. you know. you're saying this in front of a stranger. however either case will have him say you know him very well, perhaps a little too well. however you choose to answer is up to you! if you think your character would take this seriously and you don't mind netting some disapproval from astarion, then answer truthfully! if you think your character probably wouldnt air the absolute truth of astarions wants and fears or you'd like to get some more approval from him, go with the funnier answers! its up to you!
For my romance Astarion playthrough I chose the gore, me and fear of being slave to someone. I wanted to gain all 3 approvals from him but I felt like we both needed to face his fear and though it wouldn't effect the gameplay per say I liked to think it'd help Astarion when we face Cazador 🤧
For my play thru the nyphm was real. Orin had talked to me twice before, disguised as other NPCs (Blacksmith and Guard to the left of the donation storehouse). So I’m guessing she only tricks you twice?
I'm not sure when it's determined what NPCs Orin kidnaps in Rivington. Maybe it's randomized the moment you start Act 3? All I know is that you can control who she takes from the camp depending on who you have in your party when you go to Gortash's coronation. (I did this to ensure Yenna didn't get kidnapped)
Shit I didn't realize there was a real nymph. I figured it was always an Orin honeypot.
Everyone that Orin shapeshifts into is a real character that she kidnaps.
And I didn't know Orin could appear!
It's a pity that only Tav answers questions about Astarion. I wish Astarion would also answer questions about MC, and both of them made steps towards each other. No, I understand that this is probably technically difficult to do, since the past of Tawa is essentially our headcanon. But I would like to imagine that it was so.
Just for the sake of discussion, here's mine!
Happiest: being around water
Desire: to be held
Fear: snakes
Add yours if you gottem'!
they could've done it at least with durge
They could do it based off past good/bads decisions the player has made?
What does he desire more than anything?
“A nice tasty rat”💀
Thats what cazador gave him to eat i think? 😂
Omfg, the way he’s looking at you in the end…!!
Wish Larian gave us a romantic kiss in front of the waterfall
Hell no, the last time my favorite snarky, possibly-evil elf crush had a romantic kissing scene in front of a waterfall, he stole my character's sweet face tattoos, broke up with her, and only hit her up years later to cut her arm off and tell her he was going to blow up the world because he liked hanging out with ghosts more than her.
Bald egghead bastard gave me elf romance PTSD...
@@GoddoDoggogirl what?
That eggy bastard is getting his face punched in for the unnecessary heartache he put my babies through!
Oh, Solas...
@@GoddoDoggo , Solas. I remember this bastard
maybe this is my deluision but it seems like Astarion goes from "alright, I'll entertain this" to pleasantly surprised and even enjoying himself as you answer more truthfully, then to back to his more guarded but still playful self after when admitting you know him better than he might've expected
The lighting on Astarion is this video is immaculate. He's so beautiful
I chose the option thst he fears cazador. Astarion disapproves but the dryad said to speak truthfully. And still Astarion said you know him too well.
Yeah but imagine how you would feel if the person you trust most told a random stranger your deepest fear and trauma, simply because she asked
@@afairyist9981 I think it goes deeper than that. Zethino already knows what Astarion's fears are, but can you name them and face them with him? The test wasn't how to keep his secrets but how well do you know him.
I don't know how it is for other characters, but Astarion has two sets of right answers. The truthful ones that he disapprove but admits are true, and the false superficial ones that he wants to hear and approves of.
I NEVER get this scene without Orin. Not once in my 20+ playthroughs 😂
Another way is, make sure you have other NPC encounters before the Circus. For example is had Orin being the Blacksmith and the Journalist in Rivington, but not at the Circus anymore then.
Maybe it was fixed in patches, but Orin came out in both for me :(
I haven't been to the dryad yet but for me Orin showed up as one of the Flaming Fist guarding the barn that was repurposed for the refugees... I figured it out pretty quick when the NPC was saying we should slaughter everyone, so unless there's a bug she shouldn't appear again (to give this dialogue at least)
I had her as a flaming fist guard, and the blacksmith, so she wasn't the dread for me.
so thats the difference. I was wondering why she would show up each time I tried this.
Oh, the other clips I've seen of this part, Astarion is always like "Oh, I'M the one you love? Cool", this is the first one I've seen where he's like "Sure thing, my love, let's do it".
I think it’s an approval thing, I have his approval at 100 and he said something similar
Weird, I chose the same answers and she told me sth like "Your relationship is built on lies" etc. and then turned into Orin
I've gotten both and I'm honestly not sure what triggers it - "built on lies" vs "y'all are great!"
Were you romancing him?
If you’re not she’ll say its built on lies
If you are she won’t (in my experience)
@@nadiehtje10 yeah, I was :'))
@@silversoul7772lmao wtf. Must’ve been a bug?
I am romancing him as well, exceptional approval and he already admitted he loves my Tav, but I still got its built on lies@@nadiehtje10
Nvermind, i found it ou myself as i went talking to other NPCs first. She was the Blacksmith and the Journalist for me. But so far the circus is free of Orin now :D
0:00 My vegan coworker when I unknowingly offered her beef jerky on my first day.
Husband
Lol I never saw Orin in this dialogue.
i played a full 180 hr run & have legitimately seen no part of this scene or even this location i don't think 😲
its in the circus, just at the entrance when u get into act 3 :)
@@vanyAkun i somehow completely missed it. more reasons to replay i guess
This is so weird because Orin is alive in my save so far and the dryad was herself when I did this
By the looks of it, this was the first time they saw Orin... Maybe that has something to do with it.
@@UIM_Moose Oh that's true, that might be the case
@@UIM_Moose I don't think so. I've met her first as the blacksmith, but I still got this scene later when I visited the circus.
@@BadAyka Then that's even more confusing since I also first met her at the blacksmith
@@BadAyka ive seen her twice before the blacksmith but didn't see her as the dryad... strange
Spoiler alert, but I felt that if you did this, Orin should of taken your love interest instead of a random companion
actually you can also answer with 'freedom' and the 'slave' option and be fully right about it. He'll just not like you spilling the tea. I am conflicted. He's just funny when he's like, "really? Do we need to tell strangers?" but the disapproval....
Same. I typically don’t go with them though because I don’t think it’s fair to him to spill everything to a random stranger. Given his past, trust, and feeling safe are extremely important to him. I like to headcannon that my character pulls him aside later to let him know that they know the actual correct answers to those questions, but just didn’t want to tell some random person. Which works out especially well when it turns out to be Orin.
Omg your character is sooo pretty!!
So I guess the key to the second one is not visiting the circus until after you've killed Orin?
Or talk to random NPC's and encounter her disguised as them. For me, it was a guard at the donation barn and a wounded criminal I found on the way to the ship where you encounter one of Nine-Finger's crews. As far as I know, as long as you encounter twice beforehand she doesn't come up in this scene.
what happens if you answer with deep truths? do you get a bad encounter or something? Damn I need to play this game.
I tried, he doesn't deny the things you say but he keeps disapproving you, he panicks and complains about why the hell you tell these private and sensitive matters in front of strangers. So, don't do it :D
@@ladymaria5921I kind of liked his response to “freedom”. He disapproves but it doesn’t give away much, and there’s something sweet about picking the joke answer next to ease his discomfort.
He will still join you on the log and give the line about you knowing him, so it's not a horrible way to play it if it fits your roleplaying to give the honest answers and you have a high enough approval that you can risk three disapproval points. That's how I played it because my Tav is super honest and took the test seriously. Even though he isn't happy the dryad gives a line about the need for vulnerability in a relationship, so I feel it also worked as far as Astarion's development.
So if you want him to join you on the log rather than storm away, you have to either be completely honest the whole time ("he's happy right now- look at that smile" "freedom" "forever feeling like a slave to someone else") or a very specific set of lies ("when he's elbow-deep in gore" "revenge" "breaking a nail") Any other combination of answers will make him walk away, even ones that give approval.
@@Floweramon There must be more to it than that because I went with “gore”, “freedom” and “breaking a nail” and he didn’t walk away
@@Floweramonyou can mix the two I picked gore revenge and being a slave again the last one he got annoyed but said i mean it’s true and we passed
wait what? i visited the circus very early into the new area and didnt get any orin cutscene, just a sweet little kiss at the end. also the nypme looked very different
Your tiefling is so pretty : O
Weird. For me dryad wasn't Orin. Orin was a a Fist and journalist.
How do you avoid having Orin being the Dryad anyway?
kill her before u get to this scene OR meet Orin twice before meeting the dryad. Orin can be shapeshifted as a guard and the blacksmith. If the dryad is red when you meet her (a bug i think?), that's Orin
You can check her stats...if it's lv 12 then it's Orin
Trigger her encounters with the journalist at the checkpoint and the blacksmith before
I never got this scene with Orin variation, only true driad 🙃
If you talk to any NPCs at the refugee area
You’ll get her around there and the circus is safe 😆
These answers are shallow and not true for Astarion. He gets mad when you give the true answers which are he's never been happy, he desires freedom, and he fears being a slave forever.
I didnt kill Orin and she did not replace the Nymph, I wonder what causes the change
Did you talk to any NPCs before you went to the circus?
@@AstarionWifey I talked to like 3 NPCs who turned into Orin
@@daimpthing huh that’s so weird
I talked to only two people and then she left me alone completely 😂
I wonder if it’s possible to get this scene with Ascended Astarion?
It is, this scene was while he was ascended
I've heard that Vampire Lord completely changes his dialogue towards you. Less "my darling" and more "my object". Is that true?
@@MurakamiTenshi
Yes and no. He definitely gets more possessive and more evil (world ruler allures) but it seems to depend on your approval level and/or your dialogue choices.
@@MurakamiTenshihe’s possessive and obsessive instead of loving
@@MurakamiTenshi Like the others have said, but I'd just like to add that he can seem "sweet" but only as long as you say and do what he wants you to, very healthy relationship dynamic 😅
Your tief is so cute :)
Is the scene with orin how you get Astarions funny werdio scene?
How did you get the scene without Orin??
Pretty sure Orin takes the form of a few specific npcs, and you only get scenes, like, twice other than your companion
So if, for example, you got the blacksmith and the journalist Orin scenes, you’d get the regular love test
@Hexer404 ohhh
my 1st encounter with Orin was the flaming Fist guard at the refugee camp, the 1 guarding the door of the donation barn somewhere NW of the building iirc. Second time was the blacksmith
Same here@@MidoriGa95
You can do it after killing Orin, that's what I did because I didn't see the nymph first time I visited circus
I can hear the wedding bells already!
I'm almost 200 hours into this game with several play throughs and there's different dialogue every time 😭🫠 I had no idea there was a real dryad
Ok now I'm in the rabbit hole and I'm curious- does anyone know if its different if you do the ascension first (and let him ascend)?
Ive got the second dialogue situation but Orin still appeared, what happened?
orin has to be deded or she auto takes the place of this character. (if im not mistaken)
Where is it???
Where is your armour from 😢
are these the real answers or does he approve of more serious ones too?
Gore is the correct answer. On the next two you lose approval for the serious answers but he still says you’re right and know him well
I mean i think the first option is probably more correct for the first question, even if he gets defensive. But yeah I would disapprove too if the person I trusted the most told some random person about the most vunarable parts of me. It would immeadiatly and completely break all that trust.
@@afairyist9981 I couldn’t pick that because it felt rudely presumptuous, while we can see he enjoys killing. He had a whole ass life before he was captured, and seems to have small moments of joy in the game. I guess it says a lot if you’re truly the only person who’s ever cared for him, but it seems like he was a very successful person in his old life, and morally not the greatest guy, so I’d think he derived some form of happiness in his own way.
So it seems like gore is “correct” in the sense that it’s the only answer on that question that gives you a point towards a positive outcome. To me it doesn’t look like he even agrees with the never been happy option like he does the next two serious answers.
@@donglegs Oh yes it definatly is, never is a very strong word and I don't think an outside person could ever make such a statement. It also depends on what exactly you mean with happiness and we know so little about his life. "Happiness" can mean very different things and only the person themselves can know their own emotions, so I am not actually disagreeing with you.
My thought process with the question being "When is he happiest?" was that the gore one seemed "shallow" (don't know if that's the right word). If someone describes their happiest moment as being while killing things and people that's quite sad, and I don't really think that's "genuine" happiness. And I don't see him being defensive over it as it meaning it isn't true nescisarily, he is more open with the other two being true, but I interpreted that to be because he'd already opened up to you about that and not being happy was something he maybe wasn't ready to admit to himself? I am definatly reading into this too much 😅
Him never having been close to anyone else does say quite a lot. I am really curious about what his life was like because I've heard very different versions, him being a magistrate is the only part I feel confident about. I thought I saw someone get a good outcome by picking never being happy and the other two disagrees? I could remember wrong though. But yeah I could never pick any of the serious answers. Telling a stranger things he trusted you with, right when he's starting to be comfortable being vunarable with you is too awful, even if you can still get the good outcome.
@@afairyist9981 Honestly, freedom is such a common thing to want, I didn’t even think about how it might be sensitive to disclose, and his response almost sounds like a warning not to go into further detail (also I thought it might know the truth anyway). What’s interesting is how he likes revenge as an answer even when it still relates to his past. Maybe because it doesn’t directly allude to what he had taken from him.
Now that you’ve got me thinking about it, I suppose when people are asked when they’re happiest in the context of a personality test or bio kind of thing, the standard answers would probably be related to hobbies and interests, like “curled up with a book”, or “when I’m with my family”, or something. Like what gives you the most positive feelings, whether you’re truly happy overall or not. A depressed, broken person still has a “happiest” they can be, right? In Astarion’s present situation it might genuinely be while fighting, aside from being around Tav. So you’re right that it kinda depends on how you’re thinking of happiness and how you interpret the question.
I know they’ve changed some things in patches but I saw MMOgurl choose never been happy > freedom > they fear him (which he likes) and he got mad. I chose gore > freedom > breaking a nail, and got a nice outcome. So it sounds like the first question was the issue. Not sure. I’m also very curious about his backstory beyond what we’re given. I wonder if I missed some dialogue or they ended up glossing over stuff, because I remember Larian saying he pissed off the gur as a magistrate, maybe that he ruled unfairly against them.
I’m confused. Are those the correct answers? His greatest fear is breaking a nail?
those are the answers he Likes hearing, the answers you will gain approval from saying. However if you give the truthful answers: "astarion has never been happy," "astarion wants freedom," "he fears forever being a slave to someone else" he will understandably get a little upset because. you know. you're saying this in front of a stranger. however either case will have him say you know him very well, perhaps a little too well. however you choose to answer is up to you! if you think your character would take this seriously and you don't mind netting some disapproval from astarion, then answer truthfully! if you think your character probably wouldnt air the absolute truth of astarions wants and fears or you'd like to get some more approval from him, go with the funnier answers! its up to you!
@@eviltiffany7081 Thank you! I thought it might have been that he didn’t want Tav to tell someone else but I wasn’t sure.
@@felbarashlaI mean would you want your love to spill your deep secrets? 😂😂😂
If you tell the actual truth Astarion gets mad at you 😅
For my romance Astarion playthrough I chose the gore, me and fear of being slave to someone. I wanted to gain all 3 approvals from him but I felt like we both needed to face his fear and though it wouldn't effect the gameplay per say I liked to think it'd help Astarion when we face Cazador 🤧
How do you get this scene without Orin?
For my play thru the nyphm was real. Orin had talked to me twice before, disguised as other NPCs (Blacksmith and Guard to the left of the donation storehouse). So I’m guessing she only tricks you twice?
I'm not sure when it's determined what NPCs Orin kidnaps in Rivington. Maybe it's randomized the moment you start Act 3?
All I know is that you can control who she takes from the camp depending on who you have in your party when you go to Gortash's coronation. (I did this to ensure Yenna didn't get kidnapped)