Actually, Pixar's Luca IS a Queer Story! (Disney/Pixar's Luca) | READUS 101
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- Actually, Pixar's Luca IS a Queer Story! (Disney Pixar's Luca) || Even before the release of the trailer for Disney/Pixar’s Luca back in February 2021, the reaction from the internet caused Pixar’s newest animation to be compared to the LGBT film "Call Me By Your Name" before the director stated that the film isn’t a queer -- nor a straight -- romance film. But while the director establishing the meaning of the new Pixar movie may be an example of artistic intention, the queer allegory of Pixar’s Luca is still alive and well now that we know exactly what its about.
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Yes, I'm snatching up ALL the wigs in this video. And you should too!
I lost it at the La La Land.
Kenraken sure do love that garbo.
For another pride video you could do another Pixar thing, called : “Out”
This is the first video of yours I’ve watched and I have a question are you aware of the existence of the owl house it’s a tv show but the main character is confirmed to be bi.
You were spot on
I watched Luca, And didn’t even watch because how it is.
The fact the two old ladies were revealed as “sea monsters” too was the confirmation for me tbh
like the great aunt that's been living with her "roommate" for 40 years.
FORRR REAL
also the words of the grandma talking about how a lot of people will never accept Luca, but the best ones will(i’m not crying, you are)
oh shit i didnt even think about that,, how tf is this NOT a queer story pls
Yes
They have more chemistry than 90% of Disney's confirmed couples.
Them being kids(preteens) 13 and 14 isn't an excuse for them not to say they are dating or would date in the future. (They would be in middleschool, you can't tell me in middle school you didn't date or have a crush.)
Ellie and Carol were 8, Ariel was 16 while Eric was 18, Puggsly whos 10 shipped with a pig mutant who we were lead to think was his sister for more than half the movie.
*If you think Disney cares they're children you're wrong.*
If you don't think any lgbt relationships should be in "kid" shows and movies then neither should straight ones. No straight parents, no straight friends, no straight love interest which alot of actual kids shows already do Blaze. But you'd find this is illogical, as every kids has parents right? No as not every family is nuclear. Just like not every child is straight and by seeing a non nuclear family or those of the lgbt they can relate to.
*You're wrong if you think "kid" shows and movies are made just for kids. Teens and adults watch them too which Disney and other media knows this and why they have romantic and adult themed jokes in it.*
This is so unapologetically true.
so true tho-
I will never apologize for believing this
Why is this True
Ik
I will always remember my English teacher saying that bad media comprehension doesn't exist, bad arguments do. Any interpretation can be valid, so long as the text supports it.
If I have to explain death of the author to one more bad faith reactionary, I am going to start crawling through screens like that girl from The Ring.
@@monstermoo4191 I believe her name is Samara, also this reply is gold lmao
@@monstermoo4191 God forbid people have their own principles, that don't align with your perspective on the world. What would we do without your intervention? Vastava's English teacher said so, and that makes it law set in stone.
@@shefalichow7917 Seven business days...
@@shefalichow7917 lmfao imagine being upset by someone saying any interpretation is valid, as long as you make an argument for it based on the media in question.
Like, literally being triggered by people wanting you to explain why you think something... seven (business) days 🫵
my 80 year old grandma turned to me in the middle of the movie, since I'm part of the community, and said "they're part of your family, right?" it was so wholesome istg
omg thats so wholesome- 😭
That's so sweet 😭
well lucky for us i make great cookies, so welcome to the family!
My dog did the same 😫
Awwwwwwww
"Alleged Cannibal Rapist Armie Hammer..."
La'Ron doesn't pull punches.
I read the article on this. I'm surprised that there's restraint.
Poor army hammer, I like him. And I'm 17 and gay and I would love to fall in love with him.
@@liammett7736 boy, the guy is a cannibal, even my standards are a little high than that. And don't go thinking you gonna be the Will of this Hannibal
@@anar.6383 This is by far the funniest reply I’ve ever seen
@@liammett7736 uh- did you not read the article??
sometimes, all we need for queer representation is queer platonic. they say that kids are too young for romance as they shove a girl and a boy to a romance subplot every time they can, seeing platonic relationships like this is quite refreshing
as an aro-ace i agree
Omg QPR's 🙌
well they're both gay but they don't like each other
love this and full heartedly agree
I agree :)
SPOILERS FOR LUCA
A few things in the movie I thought were really nice touches
- The supporting grandma figure
- It only really took the father taking a stand to de-escalate the violence
- The two older women at the end who realise they can be themselves after being inspired by the younger generation
- Alberto saying "you helped me off the island" ;_; ;_;
Yes :)
Holy shit now I'm even sadder 💔💔💔
what does the last part mean?
@@NKC228 “You helped me out of the closet”
@@randomperson6994 ohhhh thank you!
i mean, while the kids may be too young to even care about romantic relationships (as if *that* ever stopped hollywood from sticking a boy and a girl together!), that doesnt mean that the metaphor (especially one in a world where the mermaid/merfolk as queer metaphor is one widely regarded and considered by the community as a family-friendly approach to the common feelings of alienation queer youth face), the director was maybe a bit too assertive on his claim that theres nothing of the sort to be read about it in the movie? i can understand that it is a very personal story for him, and that in a way the idea of an audience keen to see that relationship he developed with a good friend in his own childhood as romantic can feel uncomfortable... as soon as he sends the story out into the world, it really isnt his call to make. besides, the comment of them being "just kids, before the hormones and crushes and whatnot arrives and messes things up" feels a bit disingenuous, especially since i wonder if he would have said the same thing if the main duo was a girl and a boy, and people were saying they look cute together. even before me or my schoolmates had our first crush, we were all fantasizing about our future husbands, or finding romances sweet and charming, and being spoonfed fairytales of princesses and princes. while kids are indeed pretty young to fully understand what romantic relationships are, that doesnt mean that, socially, they are indeed conditioned to expect a boy and a girl to end up together. i also wish we lived in a world in which boys and girls can be shown as just friends, but unfortunately that isnt the reality we live in.
though then again, this is a whole another can of worms. the movie looks pretty dang cute, and im looking forward to it anyways.
Can I just say, I really hate the "they're just kids! They don't understand sexuality" argument. My first crush as a gay kid growing up was when I was 3 in preschool, and I had a crush on another boy. I also had crushes on various boys all throughout elementary school and middle school. They were always relatively tame things naturally. "I feel something for this kid. I'm not sure what that is but I want to talk to him/be his friend." Just because kids haven't gone through puberty and haven't started thinking about more intimate things doesn't mean they don't get crushes and urges to hold someone's hand or experience their first kiss with someone.
Since they're 10-11, I dont their TOO young to get a crush. It's not like they're 5 year olds. Thatd be creepy.
Kids develope already an sexual identity, some earlier some later, but too early, is not an argument. And its definitly not not gay, it would be fine if he said, have your own interpretation to leave it at that. That would be, accidental queer but its an ok interpretation , its possible. That would be fine, if they agnowledged that. Like the makers of breaking bad with gus, whois a vilain, but liked and its nice, they agnowledged, they cant say he isnt . Is nice.
Why cant they say like it wasnt planned but think what you think with just friends with the girl.
@@Orih9 THIS! I'm so sick of this argument. Children know when they like someone. It's super innocent stuff like you said, but it happens before puberty.
@@Wince_Media Are you Sure? Cause I can assure you that there were couples already at my school when I was in Primary. And we were to Young.
Honestly, I am glad that isn’t romance. For me, I love stories about friendship then romance stories.
Same
Platonic hugs available for all
Honestly same- in movies I like platonic friends. Mostly because romance in movies kinda suck-
@@imverygay7854 I thought I was the only one whose Romance stories kinda suck.
@@ilovecats3795 yeah but when you find good ones it's really satisfying. It's mostly with movies though because it's mostly an hour long 🧍♀️in movies it feels rushed and forced that's why romance in movies are not the best
I adore the friendship here, but i still feel like "The Deep" is an allegory for some form of conversion therapy or something
Being sent to conversion therapy, being made to live in "the priesthood" (historical example), being sent out to hunt an animal to "Make you more of a man" sorta deal.
I thought the exact same thing
Definetely agree
its not.
@@haleyl.248 thats the thing about allegories, they're open to interpretation
My issue with saying that this can be interpreted as representation is that it sets the bar so low. Like is that really all we're ever gonna get? Stuff that can be interpreted as queer as opposed to actually just being queer. I'm not trying to be contrarian, but I'm not gonna pretend like this is queer rep because I know that movie studios can and should do better
yes you're absolutely right
I think the main idea is interpretation, not so much this actually being a queer but instead being relatable to the community, just as much as any other community. Media is built for subjective interpretation that’s the best kind of media when you can mold your own story out of what the author or director has given. Then again I understand and respect the desire for representation, and you shouldn’t pretend this is queer because it isn’t just like saying The prince of Egypt isn’t a movie about American slavery or the Underground Railroad just because of similar themes. But I’m both that example and Luca, one can draw similarities and again (lmao) relate. :)
I don't know. When I was a kid Sailor Moon existed. If you want to see fun gay stuff just look to Japan.
I mean, Patalliro! was a mainstream kid's show in Japan back in the fucking 80's, and that literally had a dude who's super power was seducing pretty boys.
I don’t think this is the only thing we’re going to get, but this is more important in areas that outright ban queer content
Well of course we will get more clear representation, BUT it’s important to understand that right now although progress has been made there are parents who won’t let their kids see cartoons with representation, but with the representation being subtle like this kids can watch and see themselves in Luca’s situation, or in Giulia’s situation as an ally
I'm at least glad there will be no forced straight romance/love triangle
Edit: Why are there so many bigots in my comment? Get out
yes me too
Same. I'm so tired of straight relationships shoving down my throat especially with the "friends become lovers" trope 😒
@@Mark-yd8qc Please tell me this is a joke, Your ethnicity does not depend on your sexuality, Just because you arent straight doesnt mean you cant be american, As long as you come from the us, Then you are american
@@Mark-yd8qc Damn, guess I'm just built different.
Disney is a master with "Forced straight" in movies. Poe Dameron (That ex girlfriend added nothing to the plot and the character herself was useless to the plot other than to "confirm" Poe and Finn won't end up together) and in Soul when 22 mentions a woman in Joe's head... added nothing and the line comes really forced in there.
I don't think Disney will ever have the balls to do a movie with a non-heterosexual romance as a significant plot development. Any LGBT+ representation they do is in the form of quick allusions or blink-and-you'll-miss-it moments that they can edit out when they try selling the movie in certain countries. They care less about LGBT+ representation than they do the monies.
PREACH!!! I've been saying this for years and some Disney fans can't stand to see this flaw in Disney.
I think they will but it will take a very long time to get there unfortunately.
Well we can still hope for The Owl House...
@@margantsovka007 I mean you don’t have to worry, Owl House is making itself known. Almost in a Steven universe way imo
While the show writer did say that they’re going to still focus on action, the relationship is very much rooted in the story.
The only thing Disney can do is cut out episodes where the girls are discussing their feelings or if the girls end up kissing.
They just bank off the queer community, come in on pride month take their shit and go. For god sakes, they wouldn't even have LGBTQ+ characters in movies because of countries such as China and Russia that don't support the LGBTQ+.
"If I titled anything else you wouldn't click on this"
Sir, I am not appreciated being called out like that. I have a family.
Sorry but ‘Montero starring straight white men’ was the most brilliantly shady thing I have heard in ages. Needed that.
An excellent argument on "The Death of the Author." Luca looks like a fantastic non romance based Queer Story, because gods knows we need them too.
@@stacynewton34 yes we do shut up
@@stacynewton34 yes tf we do
@@veyonixx no tf we don’t
@@Sonicmax8728 yes we do. Idk why you're trying to say that a minority doesn't need representation when you probably aren't even a part of it
@@Zeburakeki where did I talk about lgbt and other minorities. I just responded to that whining kid I never said all minorities couldn't relate to the movie
Hey, remember when one of the creators of My Life As A Teenage Robot said he was okay with people interpreting Jenny/XJ-9 as Trans? Yeah, I wish we had more creators who were acceptive like that.
@@Axsomaniac That's what 171QA is saying;
"There was no intentional transgender subtext but that doesn't mean the subtext isn't there. Art is open to the audience's interpretation", meaning that although it wasn't INTENDED to be a trans character, it can be INTERPRETED as one.
@@Raya-ir4tm It's not a retcon. They just said it was ok to interpret it that way. Fiction can be pretty nebulous and a lot of things about it are open the reader's interpretation. Doesn't mean those interpretations are canon, just valid.
@@HulktySSJ2 more like a Go-Bot… because even in its vehicle form, you can tell there’s something off.
@@DoctorMeh That's literally what they said.
@@DoctorMeh the quotes are literally in this thread of what he said dude. "Art is up to the viewers interpretation." Do you just,,, not know how to read or..?
This is the only kind of clickbait I'm supportive of
What clickbait?
There it is I have found the perfect comment
@@hinamatsuro1908 who said it is a love story? Did you watch the video?
Black junpei?!
yeh clickbait AF, i'm fuel with furious when people just randomly type "check this out your fav character is queer you know?" to get more view
SPOILER
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It's nice that Luca doesn't go to Genova just to stay with Giulia, he goes because he really wants to go to school and learn all about the surface world
@The one and only 🤣💀🤣💀
@The one and only THIS ^^^^^
The funny thing is when Luca thought Giulia was leaving he was like aw darn! but when he realized Alberto wouldnt be joining them ouf… the dialogue the crying, hugging, hand holding… literally all that was left to cement the fact that they were more than JUST friends was as little as kiss on the cheek
@The one and only PERIOD 💖
@@auberginesoep3512 YESSS 👆🏽🙌🏽
Why couldn’t this movie have come out in the late 80’s or in the 1990’s. As an Aro/Ace on the autism spectrum this movie already speaks to me, and would have helped me with every aspect of my identity. Honestly why can’t they just let the movie be interpreted by people instead of telling everyone to be quiet?
I'm wanting to sing that supposed to be about metaphor about autism there's something that speak to you
Wish there was a Disney movie not just a short that involves autism I’m autistic would be neat
@@TheDoctor2007 There is it is called Inside Out.
The only reason he wants people to think and interpret the movie like that because it's based off his story or something like that.
Thank you! I also picked up on some autism vibes (from Gulia, especially) and I was happy to see myself represented in the media. And I feel the same way about interpreting it as an allegory for the LGBTQ+ or POC community. Let them connect to it and stop trying to take that away from them!
I think its polite to always try to understand the creators original intent since they worked hard and that's how we can see outside ourself, but after that's over headcannon till the cows come home
No fuck authorial intent it dint mean shit
agreed, I honestly dislike when things are forced on by random people. I always hear what he author intended and that's just what's canon.
@@idonthaveanyham2422 yeah I agree. And then people call you homophobic or something when you disagree
@@idonthaveanyham2422 Well, interpretations are not the original intent. But in this case, interpretations mean *something* to queer people. It's how gay and trans people saw themselves in movies/books decades ago, when positive representation was never the mainstream. It was all subtext. Now, we hold higher standards, bc things have changed. It's how it is.
I hate the phrase "forced on" when it comes to lgbt experiences. Like how people claim loud queer people "force" their identity by just existing. You probably didn't mean any offense, but please take this into account.
@@befuddledbun it *is* forced when the director states that the two main characters are not queer since they are based off him and his childhood friend. It would be the same if one forced a canonically gay character into a straight relationship, and although everyone can head canon what they want, just be aware you’re an ass if you do and that you’re disrespecting the director’s vision.
Also there are many more kinds of queer stories than just romance.
YESSS! Exactly!
... good lord we are so desperate for queer stories, it's so sad 😭
@@thegenderman8582 *flashbacks to Voltron*
@@DgardsGaming I can literally think of no mainstream films with gay protagonists, what are you thinking of?
@@Z4NDAA if you're looking for recommendations check out the podcast Lez Hang Out. They cover a ton of different gay media. Also, idk if you have Hulu, but you could at least get a free account to check out their pride section. You might find some titles that you can also access elsewhere :)
@@Z4NDAA also, as far as podcasts go: "Two Princes" & "Dragon's Reign" are 2 fun fantasy stories that are ongoing. There's a more sci-fi one called "Gay Future" I think too. I just found a new podcast that only does movies recommendations called "Movies a la Queer" too! Not sure what kinds of stories you like so I thought I would give you as many choices as possible! 😊👍
@@Z4NDAA you are very welcome!! Always happy to help 😊
I would like to add that there’s a difference between an artists conscious intent, and an artist unconscious intent. I’m having trouble finding the words to explain it, but as a writer I’ve noticed I’ve written things into my stories that I didn’t plan, but can definitely see how my subconscious ended up doing it for me. For example I have a character who started out confident, but as I developed them they became insecure about their intelligence. Looking back I realize I’ve projected myself onto this character without ever having intended to, my subconscious did it anyway. I don’t know exactly the crew who worked on Luca consists of or whether or not any of them feel like they are part of the lgbt community, but if any of them are, whether closeted or not, whether they themselves have even realized it or not (realizing can come at any age) then it’s entirely possible that they made contributions to the film rooted in those feelings and experiences without them ever having intended to do so.
And if not, what you said. If there wasn’t any subconscious intent, that doesn’t negate the fact that the community can relate to the concept and view it as an allegory
Iv never heard of you lmao
@@yuptoot4490 lol I never said I was famous 😂. I’m a writer who buries their work in clutter so the world will never see it 😂
I understand what you mean!
Wait till you watch Luca, the symbolism gets deeper than Lucas uncle
Luca’s grandmother before he got on the train said “Some people may accept him and some might not.But it looks like he finds the right people to be around.” 😌 Ya welcome
some people will never accept him but some will and he knows how to find the good ones*
@@albertoscorfano6411 Thanks for correcting me 😊
@@randomthingz4484 and now make it ✨gay✨
;-;
@@randomthingz4484 BROOOO u gotta think gay
I love the interpretation of this being a movie about two boys discovering they're queer and exploring that and I think they're pretty cute together too. I just hope if/when people start shipping these 2 they don't do it in a sexual way since.... Ya know..... They're children.
I'm looking at you little nightmares fandom
I think you just jinxed it.
@@aseraphim9813 shit you're right
Aren't the two boys brothers?
@@michelecastellotti9172 no since it looks like it's the first time they meet in the movie
@@therandomstudio8942 hm, i see.
I just watched the movie and immediately searched "Luca gay" because I knew there was no way I was the only one that interpreted it as a cute gay puppylove/ first gay crush story. Really disappointed that the creators completely shut that down.
Honestly it came off more as a trans story than a gay romance for me
Legit my immediate thought when looking at it. I didn't even have CMBYN comparisons, it just reminds me of young crushes on best friends and keeping secrets in youth.
I honestly don't want this film to be romantic. I just want every character to be friends. Nothing more than that.
Yeah, I really want it to be all friendship, and I’m hoping the girl isn’t a love interest and just their “human friend” that helps them
@@mx.unfunny exactly what I was thinking
@@mx.unfunny She is, don't worry! (even though you've probably seen the movie by now, just letting peeps know)
@@dullicecream yep! I have seen the movie! It was really good but I wont spoil anyone :)
@@dullicecream I've seen the movie the day it came out with my Mom. It was really good and I'm glad there wasn't any romance
What Enrico says "Friendship comes first over relationships"
I think showing young kids (especially boys) that it's ok to have close same sex and/or gender friends and that it's ok to cry, laugh, love, care, giggle, hug, etc with eachother is very good. I think it's good to show that boys being close doesn't automatically mean gay and that could alleviate a lot of that fear or prevent being labeled as gay just for being close.
The more normalized it is for boys to be close like girls, the less taboo, the less bullying (for example: two girls could hug for 15 mins, cry at eachother, go in the bathroom/change together and no one thinks "lesbians"....but two boys do that? "gay". I'd like both to be normal without a stigma, especially for young kids when they are figuring things out internally). It's so taboo for boys to show affection and they are often denied or starved of it which makes it even harder on gay boys to come out.
That being said, I can see the closet metaphor and being accepted as for how you're born and I think that's important to take from the movie what helps you and what relates to you and no one should shut down that interpretation.
pixar would 100% make a movie with or about LGBTQ if not bogged down by Disney.
I agree with everything you said but let's be honest here, what was the last time we saw a movie with two male protagonists (that aren't rivals) that weren't about how they become friends or how they were friends all along. We grew so accustomed to seeing gay internet ships that we kinda forgot that most (if not all) mainstream media about two men revolves around their friendship or their relationship to women.
Again, I still think that showing boys that is ok to be close and intimate to with others without being seen as gay or feminine is important. But honestly I don't think Luca is really about that as much that is about regular male friendship, the movie hasn't released yet (as far as I know at least) so I can't say for sure, but as far as we were shown the two boys haven't done anything that any other movie about two young boys hasn't done before or heck, everything they done looks like anything two regulars boys at their age should do without being seen as taboo or gay.
I think Luca will be a great film about friendship, family, and acceptance (even if it's about fish acceptance), but I think there are better movies to be made examples of to show boys that showing affections isn't feminine (Onwards is a good example from Pixar).
the thig is, normalizing men being close to each other while making it very clear theyre not gay isn't gonna make gayness less taboo. when i was in school girls would be all over each other and hug and touch, and that didn't stop them from being homophobic towards me for being a lesbian. men being affectionate with each other is not gonna make them accept gay people more. showing gay characters that are appealing and complex and lovable to young kids will make them accept gay people more than showing 'close, straight relationships' (which there are plenty of) ever will.
@@birdsareasocialconstruct5083 Oh, I'm not implying that was their message or goal to show its ok to be close to other males, it seems like a very sweet and simple story of friendship at the end of the day. I just see so many people wanting or implying they are gay and being upset when they aren't and I feel like either way it's a positive.
Gay or straight.
And the thing about onward is that they are siblings. there is not as much stigma around brothers showing eachother affection, and especially no risk at being called gay for hugging your brother. So I can't coin Onward as having the same message that I can pull from Luca.
Glad you see my point and added to it~
@@birdsareasocialconstruct5083 Exactly. I hear that argument all the time "why can't two guys just be close friends without being gay?" But there are about 10,000 films about two *straight* guy friends, for every 1 film with a gay protagonist. As rare as close male intimacy in films is, it's still far more common than gay male relationships
@@MrAnthonyIII That wasn't my argument?
I think it's about friendship and acceptance in general, not just LGBT because everyone can relate to not getting the approval of others or struggles with trying to express themselves or just trying to fit in with others. Think about it people aren't normally nice to other people who are different from themselves whether skin, orientation, disability, or other and it's hard to find a place in a society that treats them differently, but if they take the time to understand them for who they are I think people could be more accepting.
Kids in school sometimes have struggled to find people who they can call a friend and when someone does accept them for who they are as a person, their differences, their culture, and their flaws. I think that'd be the first be the first step to acceptance. Same thing with teens and adults I think if we all took the time to get to know each other I think the world would be better.
At least that is what I saw the movie as... ^^'. I know not a lot of people will agree with me and that's fine. :D
You're right
Right!! Not only did I see how Luca could come to terms for who he may love, but I also saw it as how new friendships may work.
Like how Luca was getting closer to Julietta, and Alberto was getting upset about that. They fought then can back together stronger than ever
I agree! Honestly I'm a bit surprised to found videos like this, just saw the movie and didn't even think for a second about these themes.
It's great that people are always searching representation and even better when we get actual GOOD ones but I think we should appreciate movies like Luca just as much!
@@CrisisghostOM We appreciate them, don't worry, but movies like these, we see our experiences in them, just as I said in my reply 🤗
@@CrisisghostOM it’s funny because I couldn’t stop seeing these themes all over the movie. I’m factura I tried to actively ignore them when I saw them, but the allegory was so strong that I came looking in UA-cam to see if anyone else had caught it and now I see they did
the "looks into the camera" moments make me laugh every time lmao
edit: also, answer for the homework assignment - Mulan, the original
I personally like true friendship stories over romance when it comes to stories like this. I dont want the girl to crush on any of them either cause it will just be the Book of Life all over again. I want it to be purely the birth of a close friendship and how as kids, you go through struggles to keep secrets but will go to the end of the earth to protect your friends regardless of adults or society thinks but it makes them look mischievous but good at heart like most kids actually are.
Agreed, Can't we have a film about two boys becoming great friends and nothing more?🤙
@@_thomas1031 I know this is an old comment on a old video but I need to say this. You already have that, this movie is canonically about that you just asked for. People having a qeer interpretation of a film doesn't take that away from you so you have no reason to complain.
People will start saying “why can’t they just be friends?”
I actually still say that. I would say that about him and the girl too. I just prefer friendship stories over romantic ones, regardless of the people involved. If it has found family, you've already won me over.
You're right, that's what I exactly thought.
@@baileythewitchofvoid8784 there is a lot of romance cartoons nowadays that i wish there were more friendship movies. I mean the only film that had friendship was moana and it was between an old person and a teen. Not a teen and teen
@@DgardsGaming I mean sometimes it makes sense. Catradora and Bubbline had obvious tension. But there are other times, like half the Voltron ships (seriously, Sheith and Lunk?) or the DuckTales fans accidentally shipping incest that just make me tired.
I mean...can't they? I'm gay myself and I would be lying to myself if I said the movie didn't seem a little gay but that wasn't it's intended purpose, people need to stop acting like their opinions are the end all be all
Finally, a Disney movie that isn't about focused just on love. This makes me very happy lol
Except it is love! Just not romantic. But I know what you mean :)
They've made others like that, Oliver and Company, Lilo Stitch, Brother Bear, Bolt, Wreck it Ralph, Frozen and Zootopia.
@@mattwolf7698 Oh yeah-- :D
@@mattwolf7698 half of those were released in the early 2000s lol
yeahhhhhhhh
After seeing the film, the queer perspective on this story is 100% valid and there is more than enough within the identity of the film to make that connection. The nuances are all present and, in my opinion, directly contributes to why the film works so well. I even watched Luca thinking about the intent of the director and still came out of it thinking, "Yeah, this is a queer story and I love it."
Thank you there were soooo many undertones and mannerisms that it was hard not to see it as queer coding. This is one of my favorite Pixar movies
Hate to break it to you, but the director says the two boys are just friends, and nothing about it is remotely gay.
I’m happy it at least isn’t a straight love story. I was scared it was gonna be like El Dorado, where it is so incredibly gay, but ignores it and throws in straight romance.
They obviously end up in a poly relationship with the black hair guy having one smoking hot person in every arm
There's an underlying thing I don't recall ever really seeing addressed. We can all have best friends, very close friendships with deep meanings, and that's good. Even for gay/bi folks, that best friend may not have any romantic or sexual side to it. But what about those friendships that may shade into same-sex love, or where it may not be clear if it is or isn't? Or what about the budding crushes or first relationships that can and do happen for some kids/teens? Why are we afraid to portray those? Boy/girl straight kids get those first relationships portrayed and no one has a problem with it. But somehow, if it's a same-sex relationship, that doesn't get an honest take. And the case of the grey area, where it might be unclear for either one, or for others around them, we don't get those shown. Also, we don't often get the case where one kid/teen loves his/her same-sex friend, while the other isn't into them that way, which is a common real-world case. There's that awkwardness of figuring out friendship and love, when someone is first discovering their gay feelings. So there are all sorts of real, meaningful things around the case of friendship and emerging same-sex feelings. And again, friendship does need to be acknowledged as super important too. Why, also, can't we be OK with just letting it be, not getting worked up whether kids/teens might be forming a couple or might be just close friends, or anywhere in between? Why not be cool with that, be happy for them that they have a close friendship or that they might have same-sex feelings? If two kids/teens are a same-sex couple, why not be cool with that? We should be able to see that in video and in print stories both. WE don't have a problem with it when straight kids have a boy/girl friendship, or if they become a couple, or in between there. Everyone is fine with that; it's even expected. So maybe the chance to see same-sex kids going through those feelings, friendship leading to love, puppy love, crushes, or more serious couples-relationships starting up, are things we should get to seee explored too. That representation matters.The lack of it and the need for it is why non-straight folks latch onto friendships or other coming of age stories, I think, where there's any chance to infer love, a crush, not just a close friendship. I think we need the chance to see those healthy close friendships where it isn't romantic or sexual, and I think we need to see some healthy same-sex friendships and couples relationships forming. Very many not-straight folks get thwarted in their first tries, their first emerging feelings, or those are difficult to sort out, so they happen later than for the straight kids. So getting to see the whole range is needed, I think.
@@chronologizer422 Huh? How (and where?) is my profile subconsciously the art/ace flag? -- But I'm glad to know someone thought I made a cogent argument. -- I'm gay and cis; the colors in my avatar pic are dark red and silver grey and there's a cream and deep red, almost black stained glass window behind that. -- I'd be surprised if there's any asexual, romantic in my subconscious, as I don't feel that way. Folks who are around/ace, cool, though. I do think friendship is a very needed thing for everyone, and a sexual and/or romantic relationship is something most people, but not all people, want.
0:52 made me think of something: perhaps we could read the allegory in a different way, instead of a queer or homosexual reading, perhaps we could have an asexual reading? I find it refreshing to see close relationships in film that aren't romantic (there is no love interest in the film). It's good to see a film where a friendship between boys and girls which is not romantic.
I love both ideas/allegories but just to clarify do you mean aromantic instead of asexual? No romance/ or lack of interest in romance is aromantic and lack of interest in sex is asexual. What your referring to is aromantic.
I know I know it’s nit picky but I just thought I’d mention it. But again I love the angle where all of them (including the girl) are uninterested in dating or romance. And I agree that the allegory could work as they are afraid to show people that they are different or do not meet the “norm”.
@@shewolf3783 Yeah, I initially wanted to say asexual/aromantic but stuck to only asexual. Since it is a kid's film, I didn't think mentioning sex would be appropriate. Usually romance "replaces" sex in kid's media, so that's why I was talking about romance instead. Sorry, I don't have time to explain properly, I'll get back to it later.
@Pizza Man I didn't really think of it that way since there are heterosexual asexuals (heteroromantic). But yes, it could be considered queer.
@@miab-p6874 I personally see asexual people as part of the community since there is also straight trans people, but that is just how I (not asexual) see it
@@chronologizer422 yeah the way they keep using them interchangeably is odd lol
i just watched the movie and jumped to your video. Personally, I consider this to be a queer film. Whether its canonly intended ti be or not is irrelevant, the story I see speaks to my experience and I feel I could easily show this to anyone, say and it has queer context, and they would believe me. I mean, that scene when Luca's grandma said "some people won't accept him, but some people will. and it seems he's really good at finding those who do" I MEAN!!! AAAAH I LOVE THIS!!!!
They should stop forcing this stuff, the movie looks like "okay guys, we're gonna have to do some representation stuff, here's the bare minimum budget, don't flex it, just make the minorities give us the green stuff"... Like either put in the effort or just don't fake your care
i feel like they added the girl in as a “potential love interest” to deflect the idea of the two boys. But hopefully she can be more than that
@@aliensexist1661 I don’t know, the girl doesn’t seem like a love interest at all. Usually they focus more on the girl friend in these trailers if that was the case right? It feels like she’s the human counterpart to the non human partners these movies usually have
@@ziongamer6905 I heard something along the lines of one of the boys staying on land to be with the girl. Hopefully they are all just kids being friends
@@aliensexist1661 they are all friends lol. It was no romance in the film at all. This film was based off the Directors childhood and based off the book Luca. It was all about friendship! Alberto and Luca’s relationship was platonic, so was Luca’s and Giulia.
The movie was supposed to represent a friendship
“Gill Me By Your Name”
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oh my godd 😂🤚
I would have clicked on it.
I'm not always aware of the content you cover but I know I will be after watching your videos.
watching this, now knowing Luca and Alberto were supposed to kiss, makes me feel above people who swore they were straight.
This is so important! This is very reminiscent of my experience with watching Moana. At the time I watched the movie in theaters, I was at a place in my life where I was fully aware that I was queer but was still trying to force myself to be straight. Moana feels so allegorical of queer experiences to me. I related so much to her feeling of being a certain way for her entire life but trying to make herself be someone else because her parents viewed it as wrong. The lines from the song "How Far I'll Go" that said "I'll be satisfied if I play along but the voice inside sings a different song. What is wrong with me?" describe exactly how I was feeling. And really the whole song and the whole movie seems to me like an allegory for being queer or trans.
I could easily see this as an allegory for two friends both discovering that they're trans, which is a common enough occurrence since we seem to find eachother whether we know it or not.
ESPECIALLY with the easy comparison of water revealing their forms and washing off makeup.
And dysphoria feeling similar to seeing a monster in the mirror.
There's layers here that really could work.
This video is SO IMPORTANT. You’ve perfectly described why it’s wrong to shut down LGBT+ people when they see themselves in media. I always feel so invalidated whenever a queer interpretation is shut down (especially in mainstream media, like superhero movies), but I never could find the exact words to explain why it’s wrong. Thanks for explaining how immature it is to take an interpretation away from someone who desperately needs it. 😌😌
The way Alberto looks at Luca when he is with Julia ITS SO FRUITY
FOR REALLLL
yuhh
Here after watching it and you can’t tell me it’s not gay
I didn’t think it at first until the kid got jealous of Luca hanging out with the girl
This aged well
Few months ago I had to make a music video for my photography class. When I showed it to my teacher he had widely different interpretation from what I intended and it absolutely blew my mind because it did made a lot of sense and I didn't even think of my video this way. Since then I believe when you publish/show your piece of media or art it stops being completly yours and every interpretation can be meaningful and real.
The movie really just works for anyone that’s struggled with identity and the fear of how one will be perceived by peers.
Homework assignment: definitely Aladdin. They didn’t expect me and probably didn’t want me to be swooning over jasmin AND Aladdin but that didn’t stop my bi-ness 👀
Movies that are not about the LGBT+ Community, but I can relate too 😂💕
Frozen- Because of Elsa's story and because of the lyrics of her song Let It Go "Don't let them in, don't let them see Be the good girl you always have to be Conceal, don't feel, don't let them know Well, now they know" . . . That's literally Gay I don't give a fuck about what other people say ❄️👸🏽
Wreck-It Ralph- Because of the message of the movie where the main character is tired of being the villain and just wants to be the hero a.k.a the one that the people love and appreciate also because of the villain quote that Ralph said at the end "I am bad and that is good, I will never be good and that's not bad, there's no one I'd rather be than me." Which for me means that now he's finally out, loud and proud of who he is 🦹🏽♂️💀
Hercules- Because Hercules was an outcast because "he's different from the others" and Hercules might be straight but the message of the movie also the lyrics of the song Go To The Distance "I have often dreamed of a far off place Where a hero's welcome would be waiting for me Where the crowds would cheer, when they see my face And a voice keeps saying this is where I'm meant to be. When I go the distance, I'll be right where I belong." For me it says that we we're being outcast by the straights and we want to find our own community where we belong 🦸🏽♀️⚡
Beauty and the Beast- Because Belle was treated as a weird girl cuz she was doing things that nobody else does and also because the message of the movie is "Don't judge a book by it's cover" which for me means that Straights often judge us as being evil because of who we are, when the reality is that they're the ones who's evil for treating us like shit 🌹👹
P.S Let's be honest, If Luca was girl and then her and Alberto would definitely be together or at least shows that one of them likes the other person. But since they're both guys of course they're just gonna friends 🤦🏽♀️😬
@@chronologizer422 Yes I am entitled to my own opinion, so why are you telling me this???. Also I never said that being an outcast is only for the LGBT+ Community, in fact if you actually read my comment you'll see in the opening part, I specifically said that "Movies that are not about the LGBT+ Community, but I can relate too" meaning these movies that I mentioned are not about the LGBT+ Community (Not sure about Frozen tho) but I can relate to their stories and struggles as a character ☕💁🏽♀️💕
Actually…what I’ve been thinking is that Alberto is like an older-brother figure to Luca…and that that’s why he’s so protective towards him… That their relationship feels more like familial love; feels more like sibling love than romantic love. And that Alberto is kinda like Luca’s guardian or Luca’s guardian angel.…
I TOTALLY AGREE
Honestly I'm glad the movie isnt romantic and its just a cute story bout kids being kids.
I'm honestly annoyed by people shipping kids constantly in our day and age when its just a freinship.
I love seeing romance but can there be a movie for once where the main characters can be just friends - 💀
And yes , you can love whom you love. But seeing this and shipping two little kids just makes me uncomfortable 😕
bruh exactlyyyy💀
This is actually one! Loved it
But...them being gay won't take away their friendship will it? They aren't confirmed to have crushes or whatever so why would it be so bothering for a 13 and a 14 yo friends to be gay? Would it be different if both of them were straight?
Being gay doesn't mean you need to have romantic feelings for everyone you meet??? Two characters can be just friends AND gay at the same time lmao
@@iza2751 :/ did I say they couldn't be friends no I didn't .-. This is just my OPINION 💀
“What do y’all normally eat?”
“Anything that’s gay”
Do they eat the Atlanta Falcons cause seems gay
And now we wait for war...
I'm a teacher and kids are becoming more and more comfortable coming to me for like, advice, or just to share with me that they're thinking they are/may be LGBTQ+. I recognized right away the allegory in this great film, whether Disney "planned" it or not. Great video and great channel, man. Things are tough out there, and we have to stick together, you know? Be well.
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I was sad to learn it wasn’t intended to be queer, as every time I see it I feel this overwhelming sense of closeness with it as a queer poc, but I gotta say I’m glad the creator was upfront with his intent rather than letting Disney spin the ambiguity and queerbait us all. I’m still so excited to watch this movie and I think I will continue to lean into the queer interpretation not because I’m interested in a romance, but because I love the idea of exploring queer friendships in media (which we almost never ever do). Even if these characters were confirmed queer, whilst asserting that it was still a platonic friendship, people would have called THAT queer baiting. So for me I’m happy with just seeing the allegory as queer and allowing these characters to live freely in my head as queer friends. But I do hope some day, there is a creator at Disney who gets to tell their queer story through the art of film animation. I would truly love that.
People say it’s about racism,,. It’s just not
Now i want to send a letter to Disney telling them how Luca made me confident enough to come out to my family and see how they react
Thing is I actually appreciate this being a story about two good childhood friends. As I feel like the concept of two people just being good friends and the value that has they being same sex or not is completely muddled of lost all together in the soon to be “shipping war.” People can’t just be friends and like each other, there’s always gotta be romance and then “they be f-ing.” So having it being about a memorable life changing summer between two good friends is just as good without any romantic implications.
Still I know that people who shipping, and if this story does indeed help someone from the LGBT community then all the power to them. Though trying to compare it to a movie about a same sex couple with one of them being underage, may be doing more harm than good for the cause.
Totally agree
@@suzygirl1843 well tbf Romans and Greeks were hella gay back in their prime so it might not be surprising if something holds up. I still think it's part of the stereotype that Europeans tend to be more open sexually and Italians being flirty and hopeless romantics. I think they know that's how the world perceives them and play around with that to gain more tourists.
Hey listen man some people ship almost anything nowadays okay me
I really hope Disney makes a movie about a gay couple because kids should know about this and not be weirded out. It should be like having characters of color in movies. It should seem normal because this is what the real world looks like.
disney writers/directors can deny all they want to ensure they rake in that cishet money, but this movie lays it on waaaaaaaaaay too thick for me to believe they didn't know exactly what they were doing
I'm pretty sure that the Three Faires weren't meant to be seen as the main characters and heroes of Sleeping Beauty but I always considered them as such.
I have just finished watching it and it seems like the film was more about friendship and being accepted in a community than a queer story.
i watched the movie and the whole time i was thinking about how people were gonna be saying lucas gay and stuff, but i have a theory that luca is Bisexual and that he feels affection towards Alberto and Giulia
I require more LGBTQ+ Disney movies
Yeah at first i was sad to read the author’s intent cause the WHOLE time without any knowledge of the film i was like “am I watching billy elliot?” But regardless the intimacy between the two male leads without any no homo moments was perfect in every way
Everyone saying that they are happy that this isn't a romance WON'T say the same if the relationship was between a boy and a girl
I love Luca! I'm not queer but it is completely understandable how one would relate to the story as such. It was a great movie
It’s a catch all theme. It’s three kids in a budding friendship where one has abandonment issues and another (both of them have this but it’s more Luca’s whole deal) has problems with showing his identity to his peers and worrying about being ostracized. Its not about being queer, but it wouldn’t conflict at all if it was. A lot of different types of people could put themselves in place of Luca and it would still fit.
@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf sounds pretty gay to me😗🤣😂jk I see your point, but at the same time, they have plenty of cute moments together so it's understandable why it would be seen as gay🤷♂️
@@hueyitlahtoani9242 have you ever seen a child? Most of them are like this lol. While I have no problem with people taking the queer interpretation of the movie, as in, likening the them to coming out, there is no romantic aspect to the movie at all, gay or not. And no I kinda don’t understand why people would think they are gay, because I don’t assume sexuality in media based on “cute moments.” Otherwise I’d be thinking a metric ton of characters from popular fiction are gay.
@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf umm, I've been a child😂😂it seems to me that you just don't want them to be gay😂😂a lot of gay men had crushes on other men when they were kids too you know? It's a possibility based on how gay men acted towards their friends when they were younger. I personally have never really seen child male friends act the way Alberto and Luca did in the movie but that doesn't mean that they're not just friends. The way Alberto and Luca acted towards each other in the movie can literally be seen as a cute friendship but it can also be seen as a childhood crush by many gay men who have had similar experiences with their other male friends as kids. Plus many of the themes in the movie can be associated with being gay and hiding yourself from those that wouldn't accept you. That's why many would assume that it's gay since it's gay coded, it's not just the fact that they're 2 boys😂
@@hueyitlahtoani9242 dude I’m gay. Fuck off im not reading all that.
I would so have clicked! I watch all your videos, even if I haven't seen/don't want to see the subject thereof. I love your videos, La'Ron!
When I studied literature the "aesthetic interpretations" were alwayes hidden & often reffered to somethings that adds meaning to the whole "vision" of the artwork. So YES the movie had a double msg.
The shade thrown at call me by your name - we LOVE it
They better bring a sequel with them older and portrayed now as boyfriends...
In my personal opinion, interpretations are good and all but can we ever have people being just two friends nowadays? I feel like whenever people see two friends together they automatically ship it....
I don’t mind interpretations or shipping but I feel like it’s getting out of hand... to the point most ships I see don’t make any sense, and it’s just because the person who shipped them wanted to force LGBT on them...
I mean I’m a shipper too and I like to interpret things as well but I don’t ship every single friendship I see... I have to watch the movie first and then pass my own judgement lol.
I don’t mean to sound offensive if I do, I’m just saying my own opinion. 😅
@Joanna Yang Yeah, I like friends to lovers if I see any potential for it, but I see a lot of people shipping things that have no potential or chemistry. I know some of those shippers are not forcing any ships onto people but if I just see them as wholesome friends and nothing more, seeing someone else ship them romantically just kinda sets me off a bit.
I don’t mean to disrespect what other people ship, but it’s still sometimes uncomfortable for me to see these things. I don’t know, maybe it’s because I have my own experience where I have been bullied for people assuming I have crushes or am dating my friends. I’ve been assumed to be lesbian more times than I can count for just hugging my friends. And I know they’re fictional, but seeing people do that to real life people I guess carries my feelings over to fictional ones knowing some of them are possibly the same kind of people who ship real life friendships. 😅😅
Thank you for sharing your point of view :)
THANK YOU!!! A person of intellect, I see!
Honestly, when the grandma says "Some may never except him, but some will." Like that line was so simple but it hit so hard for me as a queer person. Made me cry just writing my stupid comment about it lmao.
This aged extremely well, and I'm back here to watch it once again!
I totally agree with your reading on the movie. Also dude your dramatic pauses and staring at the camera are freaking hilarious and well timed.
1:51-2:22 ok... I needed to re-watch like 3 times this bit. I have the attention of a mule 🤣
disney isn't even aimed at kids anymore, they just include the specific plot to appeal and not get canceled by everybody.
To be honest, Alberto and Luca are really good friends and it was intended that way and only that way.
HOWEVER, I can see why Queer peoples could see the two boys relationship blossom into love.
Because whatever peoples might say, Alberto and Luca are "GOOD" to each others,
they bring the best out of each others and Alberto and Luca are CUTE together and nobody can take that away from em'
the two old ladies could be a foreshadow of luca and alberto on how they’re gonna grow old together:,)
This movie was honestly gorgeous and a new favorite for sure, and I love the idea that it could help queer folk like myself. But, I also love a good story between two caring male freinds! It's often in media boys aren't allowed to be emotional or caring, otherwise they're gay, and sometimes I will admit the queer community can feed into that in it's own way. Perhaps we could look at it from both angles, because both are very valuable
I already knew it from the start when they announce the teaser trailer, its very clear and they're not fooling anyone. But i always felt they were just... Brothers
Yeah they gave me bro vibes not Gay vibes but who knows
I realised I was queer when I watched Matilda and realised that I kept rooting for the villain (yes, Miss Trunchball was my first crush), which was definitely NOT the aim of the movie!
Just realized why I had cry with joy at the end of 'love Simon'(yes I know it isn't the best at representation but I still relate and like it) being scared and having some friends get upset about you being you and being scared of what family would think; being annoyed at how ciz and straight people don't have to go throw the fear of coming out and rejection.
Platonic love is just as important as romantic love, although I'd love to see a LGBT romance which is an important plot.
Also Julia has cuffed jeans 👀
I love this movie and can't wait to see it because not only do I see it as an allegory for Queer youth but also Nerodivergent Youth with thing such as masking, and I SEVERLY relate to that.
I'm so glad to hear your take on Luca. I now what I'm suggesting for the next family movie night.
And there wasn't a film, but the Werewolf episode on Summer Camp Island can be read as someone first discovering their sexuality, dealing with the negative feedback from the people you know, finding a community of werewolves (queer people), and coming to accept your sexuality. Plus they have gay ghost dads in another episode
maybe it will be like the Mitchells vs the machines where its like a little bits of hints they are gay
As much as i hate homophobic governments, i cant help but feel that making ambiguous LGBTQ content is the best way of ensuring those who live in those oppression countries know that who they are isn't wrong or disgusting.
I know that alot of people would prefer LGBTQ content to be without restrictions and be at face value, especially from big entertainment companies in th west, but their global reach is immeasurable and can really give much needed positive content in places where people are most likely starved for it and have no very little access to consume said content.
I watched this movie today and i think it had some beautiful queer undertones! I took it as an allegory of queer acceptance. the connection between Luca and Alberto i think MANY times during the film could be taken for queer itself, but i think what spoke louder to its queerness was the overall theme itself, of them being seamonsters hiding in plain sight. (SPOILERS) and also seeing the old ladies at the end who we've seen together through the whole movie, drop their umbrellas, and turn into sea monsters themselves. like. that's LOUD. (END SPOILER). the whole movie just builds around these fantastic themes. it was all beautifully subtully done to where i wouldnt call it queerbaiting at all. if you want to believe it, I think Luca is 100% a queer story!
this was an excellent evaluation, thank you for sharing with us!
I havent seen the movie but i've seen the bit where Ablerto reveals he's a sea monster and was already convinced. Lets see what he can do to convince me even more
Man, I think it works even better because the kids seem to be around the age they start realizing those things about themselves, cuz they look 10-12(?)
wait people interoperated the trailer as a gay romance? i only got vibes of it being about a kid figuring out himself, as in a coming of age with queer tones to it.