This 13900K did NOT want to be delidded!
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- Опубліковано 17 бер 2023
- Delidding this 13900K CPU proved to be a lot harder than expected...
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The reason their delid tool goes up and down instead of sideways is because it works for 12th (12th gen has capacitors that would break off with side to side) and 13th gen and der8auers is only for 13th gen
Not entierly true. i delidded with a kit from aliexpress for $9. my 12700kf, side to side and had no issues. i was careful though and heated it up with a blow dryer.
@@Hammercannon i had watched der8auers video on his delid tool and he was talking about how it could be done but he wasn't going to market it as 12th gen due to the risk
Rockitcool for 12th gen goes side to side, resistors are only on one side, so you can only go in one direction, but it works great. Just used the same one for 13th gen. He should have used some heat. I have also seen a bunch of people who were sent this kit have trouble with the threads on the delid tool
@Strong Island X used the rockitcool one on my last build and I didn't even need the heat, just went slow and was perfect
@@Hammercannon An idiot surviving a car crash without a seatbelt does not mean that seatbelts are unnecessary. Anecdotal evidence does not refute the reasoning for DerBauer's lack of 12th gen support.
Jay, might I suggest... Rather than using zip ties for the fan wires, or any wires routed along the chassis, get some sewing thread and wind it around the chassis and wire(s) in a wide spiral. It'd be a little less noticeable and intrusive comparted to zip ties, and you could get a gold thread as an accent or black to blend in.
This build is gonna be a workout to just move at this rate 🤣
The guys are gonna like come in when this build is done and be like
"JAY WHY THE HECK ARE YOU SOAKING WET!"
Jay: "Just trying to move the new EVGA build to the proper work area..."
@@MJSGamingSanctuary LOOOOOOOOOOOOLOLOLOL!!!111!!!!!111!!!!1!!!!!11
Now the carbon fiber frame is functional: weight redux!
@@Nareimooncatt Just need now to dip the rest of the non electronic parts in like a rose gold. and will have one beautiful effing PC rig.
Try a mass loaded silent case sometime, theyre ridiculously heavy XD
If you are dead set on going with the whole gold and black theme another way to really get a little more gold in there could be to heat the parts and use a copper brush to transfer copper onto those silver suspension wire holder parts. I have seen it done on a few different channels with many different things and the finish is usually really good looking in my opinion.
Just an idea.
love the channel and the builds ect keep up the madness. :3
You could also anodize them it turns out it's not that hard to do it at home
@@seablake4116 They are stainless steel, not aluminium
@@ic_trab it can still be anodized just a bit more complicated
this is a fast and dirty way of doing it and I love it. It can look amazing.
gonna go that nuts u could just use gold leaf
Can't wait to see the build when it's done. I think it's going to look sick.
ROCKIT Cool de-lidder is very good. Used for my 10th Gen and 13900KS (bought the de-lidder for 13th gen)... no sweat and the de-lidder itself gives you some confidence.
If you are overly concerned with the silver mounts you might look into having them gold electroplated. Or, possibly the cheaper option, hot brass brush them.
Or a gold sharpie!
Honestly, a kind of brass color might complement the gold ! :D
Or gold leaf
Totally agree, although brass look like brass only in youtube videos (i.e. freshly machined/brushed)
I'm legit jelly about this build. It looks so clean and cool.
Seeing the synced jokes between Jay and Phil honestly make my day while watching these videos
I'm just wondering. Why are you using paste instead of liquid metal for direct die? The benefits of using liquid metal with direct die should be much higher, especially because of the density. All that heat in such a small area. I wouldn't be surprised if your performance is very similar to your regular IHS install because of using paste, maybe slightly worse, I don't know.
He said that he doesnt like the maintenance associated with liquid metal. The paste he used is super high performance stuff, even better than liquid metal regarding temperature cycles, meaning it would last super long and not need replacement.
Direct die with paste will be better.
There is no way this is going to be similar or worse then w/ a IHS. All gpu blocks use thermal paste instead of LM. It's just easier to work with and last a lot longer. The temp difference on the first day will be only 2-3C at most, remember whatever in between the coldplate and die it has to be as thin as possible, the biggest problem with a stock IHS is the thickness (a few milimeters) of the IHS itself. For direct die no matter it's LM or thermal paste it's only going to be a few micrometers thick after the proper install of the block, the effect of thermal conductivity difference is going to be tiny. I would actually suggest people to use thermal paste because if you have a contact problem between the die and coldplate, you can at least see your cpu throttling with thermal paste, with LM and a bad contact your cpu will die before you have a chance to see anything.
@@AprilVic The thing is the CPUs are soldered with indium to the IHS. This is why I think paste would be worse. Also the pump out effect is a lot more pronounced on CPUs because the die is smaller with so much heat output. My 4790K I had this happen a lot, initially it'd be ok but the paste would eventually pump out and I'd have to redo it a bunch.
The GPU argument also doesn't work here, GPUs have never had a soldered IHS prior too. The ones which did have an IHS used paste underneath to begin with. Not to mention the density per square mm also wasn't as bad. 350w in a tiny space such as a 13900K vs a GPU which has a die much bigger. They're different scenarios. Also the kit he is using is in every way designed to be used well with liquid metal.
I'd agree doing pretesting with paste is fine to check the contact patch, but using liquid metal makes so much sense for the actual cooling aspect. EK purposely nickel plate the block so there isn't really any maintenance that needs doing, typically people complain of "dry out" because liquid metal makes an alloy with copper (either they're using a copper IHS or cold plate). I also don't see him using that block or CPU again after taking the system apart so I also don't see where the maintenance argument comes into play here. They also give you a highly compressable foam guard so you could go pretty heavy with your application aswell if you wanted without worry of spillage into places it can cause damage.
Also lets not forget the higher the heatout the bigger the difference in paste vs liquid metal. Seems like a no brainer to me to use liquid metal.
@@AprilVic You would know immediately after applying either thermal paste or liquid metal if not enough was used or poor contact was made with the die. For long term thermal paste is better no doubt although it dries out eventually as well.
I used heat when I delidded my 12900k and 13900k, helps allot. Also ek sent the liquid metal to use as tim between the block cold plate and the CPU die, that's one of the main benefits of delidding. I just got the velocity 2 direct die conversion kit. Kinda cool ek released that. All delidded now just gotta install block
did you use the ek delid tool or rockitcool?
Have you looked up how easy metal plating is? I think you would really enjoy gearing up to do it and then make those stainless cable tensioners actually gold plated!
Jay if you want those stainless cable holders to look golden you can try brass coating them with a torch and a brass brush wheel, assuming they come off and there is no plastic bits and pieces inside.
Jay, from watching your videos and you talking about derbauer alot I started watching some of his videos and I have been really enjoying his channel now. Thank you for mentioning him as much as you have, he makes some really awesome videos
I recently did a black and gold custom loop build. I dyed the fluid black but primochills vue in gold would look dope aswell . You can also use gold fittings for more accents
Everybody I know that got the ek delid tool has had their tool strip. I got one as well and got halfway thru the delid and it stripped the screws right out. I ended up getting the rockit cool tool to finish the job. Ek said this isn’t a wide spread problem but it is. It happened to kit guru tech in his delid video as well
(showing my age) I used one of the original Zalman "Flower" heatsinks, which was gold plated for better thermal conduction. It was so beautiful that I still have it sitting on my desk as a sculptural piece...
@JayzTwoCents The new rig is looking great! One bit of advice is since you're always getting new viewers when you mention 'delid' it would be good to give a 10 second description of what it is and why one would want to try it ... IMHO.
Jay!
These are such interesting videos.
That process was fun to watch.
this was a superr sick video with the delid! thanks so much!
Guess you're loving the LTT screwdriver
But Jay, you need a golden sample CPU for your golden evga kingpin build with the golden Ek/Derb8uer direct die CPU waterblock.
Looking Great! I hope you can send in the GPU shroud to get gold plated to match the water block, and then you wouldn't need to get a gold logo.
This is gonna be such a sick ass machine! I can't wait to see it finished
Not jealous of this build at all! This is my most anticipated build you’ve done ever 👍🏼
1:06 Jay: I WoNdEr WHy tHEy cHOSe tWo.
Absolutely craked me up.
I love the satisfying sound of the ratcheting in that screwdriver you're using.
I have a direct die 10900K setup that I reapply liquid metal to twice a year so it certainly has a lifespan.
I'm wondering if lm can be applied to the pch.
Jay - on the subject of metallic colours, in my opinion they tend to be better as accent colours, & too much of them in a colour scheme for something can end up looking gaudy. Obviously it depends on the overall design/theme, but I just think that it's very easy for metallic (or sometimes bright non-metallic) colours to end up being overwhelming.
Jay: I love how it matches the kingpin logo nicely.
4090: outta the way!
I love how Jay said that he loves the way the EK waterblock matches the kingpin logo then immediately covers the kingpin with the EVGA graphics card lol
Right before you guys started singing UP IN HEEERE I was already singing it in my head. It's the little things I love about these videos.
why do you say liquid metal only lasts so long??? i thought it was basically permanent. i dedlided my 8700k with liquid metal a long time ago and its been great. or "has lifespan" as u so elegantly put it lol
1:06 JaysTWOCents wonders why he got serial no TWO 🤣
The gold looks like the heat reflecting gold foil on race car engine intakes, so it fits the theme awesome!
I like the gold water block. Very different. Awesome build so far. 👍
So glad I canceled my order for that delid tool. After seeing kitguru struggle and seeing a few people on forums and reddit share the same gripe it would've sucked to use that on my 13900KS. I just ordered the rockitcool instead.
That block looks sick Jay! I guess now you have to remove all the hardware from that chassis and send them out to be plated!
8:26 whenever you screw something that has 4 screws in every corner, use the criss cross screwing methode :)
The Liquid Metal was for the cpu as well has the removal of the metal material from the delid process
You should have got a foam frame to stop leakage when mounting using Liquid Metal 😊
That Doug level 'This' tho.
Jay, this rig looks sick, really enjoying the building
Had the exact same Problem with my EK-Quantum Velocity² IHS Removal Tool. hopefully my i9-13900k will still work
+1 just for Phil adding in the off camera color commentary!
Hi there! - Where can I buy that platform where you created the build?
hey jay you could look at getting the silver pieces on the case powder coated gold so everything matches
I'm saving this video for a day when i'm more stable, the thumbnail frikking sent me down a hole of anxiety 😅
looks awesome Jay keep up the black and gold theme
Is that a Doug Demuro intro? :)
I de lidded a couple of CPU's I don't think I have done anything AMD but I was always nervous doing it. But it worked and I am a few cpu's past them now so they did what they needed to do but it was so much better on cooling. I also get nervous with liquid metal. Just because I am so used to using non conductive options.
Hey Jay: gold, silver and black look way better together than just gold and black. It is ok to use some silver fittings and components too 😊
You can simply have the stainless cable mounts heat treated to become gold. They will simply heat it in a bed of brass shavings until it naturally reaches a straw gold color. It will be easy and cheap.
Anodize all aluminum parts gold. Get gold plated Cables (the braided cables for the frame). Get gold bezels for the gauges. I think that would make it complete.
You are a brave man, Jay. I could never do that to such an expensive CPU, even if I knew 100% itt would work fine.
(And I do agree that if there is a wording on the part it should be right side up)
I have to agree, them Lian Li fans are absolutely astonishingly good, in performance and looks. It took 20 sets of wiring out of my system down to 4 sets of wiring.
If only the L-Connect 3 software wasn't such a pain in the ass to deal with (I couldn't get my lights to work so I just set the controls to the motherboard and run Signal).
They are worse than Arctic p12 on rads which is the budget king. Those fans look good, but performance is just okay.
I need to figure out how good of an aio I need for the 13700k and 13900k because I'm building this week and I can't decide
The SECOND you said "Up in here" I started doing the same thing. Lol :)
Im more proud of my boy getting considered an icon I've been watching since the old days when you did your 1st water cooling tutorial
I'm diggin that paper towel holder you got there
Great Video! Could you provide the nominal thickness of the IHS. I am needing to know how much distance is between the top of the chip, and the top of the IHS.
Thanks!
I was hoping this was an old video so I could just click on part 2 already. Looking good so far. Hopefully when it's all done you get a POST.
I love that so many UA-camrs are using Doug's "THIS..." intro lol
Thermal test that 13900K under load!
Neat. Wonder if heating the processor with a heatgun would soften the contact when delidding. Cannot see myself doing that again, but never say never.
i still dont under stand how that back power board is supposed to help
where does it get its pwm and argb from, i didnt see jay connect any fan pins to it, how does it get the power from the psu to those sideways connectors?
8:04 Was that a pin or two slightly bent on the socket?
Was the CPU tested after delidding? I feel that's something that would be beneficial to check before continuing on. If it were me, my luck would be I'd get to the end of the build, attempt to power it on, only to find out it's dead and have to pull it all apart and have to buy another 13900K.
Ok
it was, he used it for his review of the chip
This comment should be higher. I feel like just powering it on with that massive gold heatsink would get you past memory training and into UEFI without overheating.
@@CRISPdotTV he benchmarked it for review before delidding. Otherwise the results wouldn't be any good since you're not testing it as consumers would receive it.
@@CRISPdotTV He doesn't mean testing it to figure out how much better it is delidded. But to test it to see if the delidding broke it before making the custom loop.
Jay ...check your socket bro! I saw some pins that didn't appear normal, when you removed the socket retention bracket. Awesome Vid! Keep up the great content sir!
Note: The Thermal Grizzly contact frame does NOT fit on all Z790 motherboards! You need longer screws for some. I have this situation on my ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 Apex.
My thermal grizzly contact frame that I ordered a month ago came with a longer set of screws. Not sure if I got a new stock or if they’ve refreshed this, but I did need this longer set that was included for my Z790 Maximus Hero.
@@tsnow20 Mine did not get any screws. They must have brought as new revision out that included that. They told me to buy the longer screws and they would Paypal the cost of it. I denoed it and now I have it but not using it.
Gold inserts on the BBS wheels of a vintage Porsche 930 Turbo looks awesome too!
Now I think you should go with gold fittings! Keep everything on the board gold and stuff outside of the board chrome.
Good luck we're all counting on you!
hey jay I'd love to see a video about the best small case in 2023, I'm gamer and at the same I travel a lot so all I care about is having a small pc that I can take with me anywhere while still have good specs and most importantly good airflow (aio not watercooling pc)
can't wait to see the numbers you get out of that delidded 13900 and with that water block
It would be a lot of work for you but, one ting that you could do for all of the tension case parts to make them look semi gold is to take a brass brush, heat it up, and then brush that on to the metal. The metal transfer from the brass being soft and malleable under heat will give you a Golding effect ish. Its not permeant but it lasts. more permeant if you clear the piece but yeah. its a lot more work but thought idea.
Anodizing isn't actually that hard either
That realization at 2:18 when he sees that it's for a direct-die mount & not the standard mount 😂typical ADHD moment, sometimes we miss the simplest, dumbest details. Also the spot around 5:39 reminded me of how I used a razor to delid my old 4670K years ago, I was worried more about sweating on the parts than the razor slipping
Looks amazing, but you really need more gold in that build - maybe gold dip parts of the frame or whatever 💛
What triple radiator aio would you recommend for this CPU ? Thank you for making videos, they have helped me alot
Was it me or was a few of the pins looked bent in socket? From the video angle on the left lower side. @8:03 you can see 2 spots. IDK maybe he fixed them already.
I remember when Paul and Kyle still worked at Newegg and did the Gold Build, and as the build progressed Kyle transformed into a pimp. Totally gaudy and over the top, but it showed me that anything is possible when building a pc.
Roman is probably crying cause you delidded with his tool and everything just to apply thermalpaste from the competition. 😂
Wait can you put the original ihs on the processor and glue it back up using that black sealant ? Can I do something like that or do I have to use a custom ihs?
such a wicked Cpu cooler, and this build is already coming along nicely.
You could probably get the non-gold parts anodized (or do it yourself if you have a toaster oven that you don't care about anymore)
It all looks great. Nice work.
That video title and then you didnt even test the CPU afterwards really pushed my buttons. 😂 Sitting through the entire thing and never got that "phew" moment. 😆
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't silver better at heat conductor, I think I saw a debour video on some kind of special editions of certain blocks and found out there wasn't much of difference
is there no EVGA Kingpin Waterblock for the GPU? i thought they made the HydroCopper blocks for KingPin as well.
Did Jay mention it ?
11:10 "It matches the Kingpin logo so nicely!"
11:25 Puts the GPU right in front of it.
😆
Your work never fails to impress and inspire.
Conductonaut user of five years now on same CPU here. It "dries up," because it soaks into the metal. But as it soaks in, the rate it soaks in decreases. Add a fresh coat of liquid metal like nail polish to CPU at 6 months, 12 months after that, and never again. I haven't added more in years with no increase in temps or stability.
Love watching the build videos.
Just out of curiosity, do you use the screwdriver from the LTT all the time? I recognize it by the sound.
I think it's great!
Jay it 2 of 100, because it is the 2nd one they put a sticker onto.
By any chance was heat used with the deluding tool? The reason I ask is I had to use heat on mine to get it to break away after the initial break of front and back motion of the deluding tool. I also was using it on a 12900k aswell which looks to be easier to delid.
"Guess I'll just buy another"
Oh to be so privileged haha. Still saving for parts for my 7950x3d build, slowly but surely! 😊
I had the same problem delidding. My screw and screw hole stripped. Just about everyone that has posted a video has had issue with this delidding tool. I wish I could find der8auers delidding tool.
Jay, what is the best air cooler for a 12700kf? (thanks in advance)
The build looked pretty good with the "Kingpin" and the CPU water block with gold accents...then the GPU hid it. Can't win! It would be a good build to mount the GPU on the backside! It's an open case. If it were air cooled I'd say it would be better keeping the thermals from the GPU & CPU separate. Also, I haven't seen it done. If the CPU survived!
Yeah its a shame the GPU hid the logo, i would keep the GPU where it is but lay it down flat with the fans pointed downwards...or even upwards, and lower it down some more somehow (3d printed brackets?) so it shows more of the Kingpin logo and motherboard in general. But i do like ur idea of having it on the back also.
Props to Doug for the intro 😁
I knew Jay wasn't going to leave it like that, his OCD. kicks in and "never mind guys I still flipped it." But it's that make sure it's done right and looks good mentality that brings out the details and personality