Just makes you love Ricky Starks all the more, I've seen maybe 2 AEW shows ever (because I barely watch wrestling nowadays as is not because of them) and I still really like him purely for the "it's in Philly you big dumb bitch" and "I wish my co-workers would stfu" 😂😂😂
@@jareddavis9012 anything in wrestling can be controversial. Linking something to a major event where things dramatically changed for all parties involved is a completely different level.
I do agree with CM Punk saying how Dave Meltzer is a liar with the kind of influence he has towards AEW but for a guy who claims to be straight edge, he sure sounds like a person that does a lot of a drunk posting
@@corymitchell5750 I legitimately think the dude has some mental health stuff that he just never got diagnosed. There's just no other reason why he is always so combative, passive aggressive, on edge, and anxious. And if he's straight edge, wouldn't his belief system prevent him from taking medications to treat that?
Just cuz you're sXe doesn't mean you can't be under the influence of your emotions, which MOST ideals are carved from. And it DEFINITELY doesn't mean you can't have an addictive personality. And guess what, the chemicals in your brain that make up emotions are EASILY the most addictive substance of all time. I imagine Brooks to be the type who preaches his ideals like Rush Limbaugh used to in that ANYONE who isn't one million percent aligned with said ideals is a bad person. It's only a matter of time before April Mendez sees the writing on the wall and drops Brooks like a bad habit because of this. It'll take just ONE disagreement. If Brooks can trash his lifelong friend about that, then what is stopping him from doing to same to his own wife? I feel bad for Brooks. But bad is all I feel. At 44 years old, he should know better. Resisting the temptation to swing your ideals around like a bick dick is something you learn in your damn 20s.
Everyone gave Vince McMahon hell for what CM Punk went through health-wise there. If CM Punk is telling the truth about Tony Khan making him wrestle while he was hurt, everyone needs to keep that SAME ENERGY....
They're not going to because they'd have to admit that Punk was right. The AEW crowd don't like Punk, he is a brutally honest guy who calls people out on their shit in a business notorious for politics and bull shit. Plus modern wrestling fans are much more in line with nerd culture and as a result, they are naturally turned off by brutally honest aggressive guys.
Punk was simply one cog in a bigger machine that led to that. Page can be held to account for the promo that started it then whoever leaked the rumors to Meltzer. But yeah, it was all punk....
@@ChaseNada think of it this way. Punk CHOSE to handle this situation in the worst way possible. Everyone is so fixated and obsessed with the backstage fight, but nobody is talking about the PR shitstorm for the company that Punk created with his little meltdown at the media scrum. He caused irreversible damage to AEW and it's perception in the eyes of the fans during a very critical period in the company's history. Sorry, dude. While the Bucks, Tony Khan, and AEW'S HR/Legal department have to accept their share of the blame, the brunt of it goes to Punk. If any of us publicly behaved the way Punk did at our places of work, we'd be fired on the spot.
Why does it have to be one or the other? I'm pretty sure both Jericho and The Elite were running their mouths to Meltzer, as they're all friends. It's not a coincidence that Meltzer had to point out that the Bucks were the ones who 'saved' Colts job.
I tend to have the complete opposite tone and view of CM Punk than Solo does, but I respect his analysis. I don’t think the Punk/AEW issues are anywhere near the level of bridge-burning that everyone else sees. There’s been way worse in wrestling. I think Punk apologizing is fine, the Bucks need to apologize because those dirt sheet rumors didn’t spread themselves. Jericho and Meltzer are completely at fault as well. TK is the biggest issue. Pick a problem: Miro, Andrade, Sammy, fights, shady press dealings, injury clearance, it all goes back to him being an ineffective leader.
That's how I see it, too. Tony Khan should have put his foot down and stopped the tension from building into this. Khan has shown to be a passive leader and wants to avoid confrontation. But when you work with egotistical wrestlers who can destroy a locker room, that mentality will never work.
TK is too passive aggressive. He wrote a team called best friends. If that’s not indicative of how TK views this industry. He just wants everybody to get along.
No actually those dirt sheet rumors can spread themselves, it could have entirely been made up by some "journalist" or it could have been spread by anyone else, punk had no evidence it was the elite, stop believing dirt sheets when half the stuff is made up. Punk shouldnt have been such a mark for himself and let the dirt sheets be what they are; dirt.
The Bucks need to be stripped of their EVP titles and if they complain, show em the door. Tony should never allow active wrestlers in executive positions again.
So are we gonna ignore the fact that Meltzer’s BS reporting is what started this? How come nobody is taking accountability on Meltzer, Jericho, and The Bucks??
@@shaheenmall3923 no I actually think what started this was a grown man ranting about his employers in an epic meltdown after he had just won the championship at their biggest show of the year last year. I see you conveniently left out Moxley amongst the names you listed explain to me what did he do for Punk to mention?
@@shaheenmall3923 CM Punk is a grown ass man acting like a fucking teenage girl. Who gives af what your co workers or dirt sheets are saying when you’re making millions of dollars.
@@jordan12118 😂😂😂😂 boy you Meltzer marks are hysterical, no matter what situation him or the Bucks or Jericho are in, you guys can never put any sort of blame on them, it’s quite embarrassing honestly. If Hangwoman Page never went off script and Jericho or the Bucks didn’t feed Meltzer the whole Colt Cabana story, none of this fiasco would’ve occurred. At least I’m willing to admit that Punk should’ve never went on a rant at the scrum and should’ve handled it in private, but at the same I understand why he needed to call out the bucks for being the irresponsible EVP’s that they’re. No wonder why Cody left AEW, because of the toxic environment the Bucks and Jericho created, if I recall there were rumors that Cody supposedly had heat, I know Cody said that he didn’t leave AEW because of the bucks but maybe he did but he just doesn’t want to admit it cause he’s trying to save face. Y’all turned on Punk over dirtsheet rumors and him exposing things, just like y’all turned on Cody. I know he mentioned Moxley on his Instagram, but since he was so quick to delete it he was probably just trolling cause he loves getting a rise out of the IWC. Especially after his weird IG story about HBK.
If AEW wants to grow and evolve they shouldn't bring back Punk. No one man should be above the company. I don't think The Elite were completely in the right but Punk had an opportunity to be the bigger man when he came back from injury but instead he went into business for himself by calling out Page, and then the media scrum incident made it all worse
Why does Punk, the guy who got his locker room invaded by 5 people, who was only responding to shit other people did, have to apologise? In what world is he to blame for any of this? You fucking children need to get your heads in to the real world, where you don't start shit you can't finish.
As Jim Cornette said about the Montreal Screwjob(which is what Brawl Out is to AEW), there are no Faces here because this is a Heel program. Although I don't hate Punk, I agree with Solomonster because it is hard to defend a guy who seems to attract controversy wherever he goes. Fans of Punk can't keep saying, "It's A Coincidence!" because there is Coincidence then there's More Than A Coincidence which becomes Reality.
I'm convinced that had Punk never gotten into wrestling, he'd probably be a cult leader the way he manipulates, gaslights others, and constantly moves the goal post around.
RVD and Balls Mahoney also come to mind as ECW guys who had fans singing along to their entrance music. Yeah, as much as I enjoy fans singing Judas, that song did not blaze the trail.
Kenny Omega always seemed like a chilled guy and i'm sure he himself before Brawl Out never actually had any issues personally with Punk.. hell if rumours are true he even tried to get Punk's dog out of harms way after the Bucks kicked the door into the dogs face. It's hard to really say who's side to believe.. I do believe Hangman Page however started the whole thing and got out of dodge when things got too heated in this.
Yeah it's somewhat irritating to think that Page kicked the whole thing off yet gets away scot free. Don't care how well liked he is behind the scenes, he has some weight to bear in this circumstance.
@@ChaseNada It does feel like it all comes back to Colt Cobana as the centre of it all, if Page is close friends with Cobana then kinda makes sense why Page would start all that shit and stir up trouble with Punk. Maybe it was Page who sparked those rumours about Punk wanting Cobana fired..etc and then that lead to the Bucks getting involved?
@@ChaseNada Here’s the thing: I think any person looking at this situation objectively will agree that Hangman started it. However, what Punk did/said in retaliation was WAY disproportionate to the original offense It’s like if somebody calls you ugly and in retaliation you shoot them. Yes the first person initiated the conflict, but you definitely went too far with your retaliation
Punk and FTR vs The Elite would do huge business. But everyone involved just can’t move past their differences to help the company out for the future. It’s a shame.
"Monumental buisness" for a match the WWE audience dosent care or knows the story behind it , also if you think Triple H is going to hire Phil after everything he said about him since leavig and his disastrous run in AEW you are delusional Stop living in your bubble
This is were TK needs to step in and act like a boss and have everybody sit down to do business. I really hope TK is smart enough to turn this into a storyline, because tons of money would be made, ratings, ticket sales, merchandise sales, and PPV Buyrates would surge tremendously. Having CM Punk and FTR as a heel trio would be like AEW’s version of the Bloodline.
The Young Bucks probably didn’t say anything to Meltzer, Alvarez, or SRS, but someone who was close to The Bucks probably did, because Hangman’s promo obviously alluded to the Colt Cabana rumors and he’s close to the Bucks and Cabana. Chris Jericho obviously was having conversations with Meltzer about CM Punk, there was a video where Meltzer completely buried Punk, and did not hold The Elite equally responsible for Brawl Out.
I don't like Meltzer at all, but I call BS on the Elite spreading rumors. Colt Cabana, a man that a lot of people like especially by those backstage in AEW, mysteriously leaves the product not along after a man who had public falling out with signs. People are going to think there is a connection. Page's infamous promo was quoting Punk's tweet about Sasha and Naomi walking out of WWE. Because it is clear, at least he thinks Punk is the reason why Cabana left the company.
Let's be real. With or without Punk, Cabana would be out of the company anyway. Considering his only contributes to the company were standing in the background of Dark Order segments and competing on UA-cam.
@@JohnWilliams-wl9px I'm starting to wonder if this rumor about Colt maybe wasn't even started by anyone in AEW and I am wondering if maybe this rumor got started by fans online connecting shit like you said and then coming up with conspiracies about it. And the dirtsheets simply started asking around about it before it started spreading like wildfire.
@@DeadmanInc336 maybe but regardless Page should have never brought it up. It also wasn't well received by the fans in attendance. They were like huh? He was a real moron for that.
You know maybe if Dave did not say anything none of this story with Punk exploding again would of happened but who am I kidding it would of happened anyway under different circumstances. 😮💨
Punk is making Mox sound like he didn’t want to lose the belt to him. If he was a backstage politician then why did Mox drop the belt at the PPV? Punk is really such a headache for AEW. I still am a fan of Punk, but he’s acting very childish.
One thing I never understood about colt cabana thing is before Punk was ever there, it’s not like cabana was on TV every week anyway. He literally was just a background guy in that jobber stable OR he was never on TV. A lot of this is TK’s fault. Yes Jericho is a stooge. But also yes, Punk talks way too fuckin much for his own good
That was the interesting part of this drama. But like others have mentioned it isn’t a big leap that cabana being let go probably was a result of Punk coming in. If Punk wasn’t brought in he probably would’ve been kept around but when they got Punk it was probably a choice that this guy isn’t big enough to risk issues.
If working with Vince McMahon and WWE's creative is perceived as walking on egg shells, trying to work an angle with Punk must be like working in an unstable nuclear power plant. Let us hope he permanently retires.
It could always turn into one if it isn’t. That’d be the smartest thing to do if AEW wants to increase ratings, fan attendance, PPV buys, and merchandise sales.
it has to be jericho leaking things. jericho being petty and bringing in colt cobana as the mystery opponent in that episode of aew dynamite just makes a lot more sense
Punk was the one that acted like a child, after being given the belt not once, but twice! Let's not get started on his contract. Dude was getting paid millions. What does he do? Buries the entire company.
You give punk way more energy than the evps who barged into his locker room and who also are friends/talk to Dave meltzer or the guy who started the shooting first.
Not the biggest Punk fan but I find it weird and weak that everybody else can talk about him and the situation but when he talks about it everybody acts like he’s the devil
One thing that disappoints me about Jericho, is why the hell would he say that Punk is a cancer when Punk has not said anything bad publicly EVER about Jericho over the years. If anything they were well respected friends. And why is he leaking stories to Dave Meltzer? Leaking stuff seems like such a childish and shitty thing to do in the wrestling business and for someone like Jericho who is supposed to be the well respected veteran on the roster that is a mentor to the young talent is quite disappointing.
Because CM Punk has come to AEW and brought a post influence to a lot of folks. We haven't seen people coming off better when they worked with Jericho. Luckily for MJF, he is very talented to wipe off the stink of Jericho, but anyone else, though?
@@scotlanrogers5327 I can give you the summary: - On 5/25/2022 Hangman Page cuts his 'workers rights' shoot promo on Punk, which was way out of character, and didn't make any sense. - On 5/30/2022 Meltzer wrote in the Observer that Colt Cabana was off AEW TV, it may be related to Punk, and The Bucks pushed for Colt to get a new contract - Punk wins the title at Double or Nothing, then gets injured at the next Dynamite due to that stupid stage dive - While Punk is out, dirtsheets were putting out there that people in the AEW locker room don't like Punk, and consider him a 'cancer.' - On 8/17/2022 Punk called out Hangman, which wasn't part of the plan that night. Punk called him a coward, and said that his "apology must be as loud as the disrespect." Then the events at All Out happened.
Honestly no one looks good in either situation. Cabana wasn't used for months before Punk came in. Tony should of just let him go when he wasn't going to use anymore. Instead of just letting his contract run out. Page, the bucks, or whoever it was close to them shouldn't of been spreading rumors to people like Dave about Punk. Tony should of squashed everything as soon as Page did that promo. He should of cut Punk off and said no is not the time during the conference. Jericho shouldn't be talking about something he apparently only heard about with the media and Punk and Punk and the Bucks and Omega. And "reporters" like Dave should stop reporting on one sided news that their buddies say. Enough other wrestlers Dave has talked about said they never talked to Dave so he doesn't have the whole story. And Tony needs to stop kissing Dave butt and tell his wrestlers he finds out they are talking to any reporter they are done. That's why people look at the company like it's a joke. It's run by inexperienced people who can't handle a situation
How can Punk have never seen Rocky 3?! I always thought Punks comeback would be just like a Rocky movie but all his career has become is his death like Apollo Creed in Rocky 4.
Broooo Antonio Brown is like a thousand times worse than you think CM Punk is 😂😂 at least Punk isn’t a woman abuser and doesn’t get in trouble with law enforcement.
@@shaheenmall3923 You're missing the point of the analogy. The point is that Antonio Brown proved to be more trouble than he was worth everywhere he went and tried to make himself look like the victim every time the team wanted to get rid of him.
I'm still curious to know WHO spread those rumors about Punk. If the Elite were cleared by a third party, then whoever's at fault is STILL at large. What a swerve it would be if Colt Cabana was behind the rumors all along.
Everyone who even takes an instant to analyze the situation will see that the bucks are in no way innocent. Unfortunately, a narrative has now been built that allows them and page to look like the victims when ALL should be held account for what happened. Tony included.
For real. I usually like Solo's take on things but damn. The EVPs are just as guilty as Punk and should have been stripped of their office titles immediately
@@Yoshiinite why? The Bucks and Omega did not go in front of the media and the press and PUBLICLY embarrass the entire company and owner with a petulant meltdown. We also still don't have actual proof that it was indeed any of the EVPs who were leaking stuff to the dirtsheets. Just rumors, gossip, accusations, and allegations. The latter two being very difficult to prove. Sean Ross Sapp already said that it wasn't any of the EVPs leaking that stuff, especially the Bucks. Watch it turns out it was Jericho or somebody else. Then you guys will look very foolish. You clearly didn't listen to anything Solomonster said and I think you just don't really like the Bucks, Omega, and I am gonna throw Hangman's name into the mix.
@@XombieLejon66 solo has actually said the same. When Brawl Out was initially reported, he said he fire Punk, but also the Bucks and Omega should lose their EVP status immediately. That in addition to the suspensions. He even said it was a bad idea to let a working wrestler be an EVP at all.
Regardless of whose sider on and all of this. This whole situation is just Stupid, Childish and Embarrassing to AEW as whole. Punk, The Elite, Page, &Jericho through all deserve fault for all of this drama & destruction. All these Grown-ass men doing this finger pointing & Cryptic Social media posting like they're Goddamn school children 🙄 The person I think who is the most to blame is Tony Khan himself for letting all this fester. If he put his foot down and conversated with everyone properly, I think a lot of this could have been avoided
I don't think he buried Mox. In fact, he put the guy over in the scrum. I think he's just explaining "I was pissed off going into the match because we disagreed on creative and I was working hurt". I probably wouldn't have mentioned the Mox stuff but he's 100% right about Meltzer and Jericho. Meltzer very obviously picked a side, and it was the side that fed him. Hangman, Jericho, etc. There's a reason Kenny Omega has a 7-star match to his name and Shawn Michaels doesn't. Just like there's a reason that all the people in AEW who have nice things to say about Punk are the people who aren't threatened by another big star being brought in right at the top of the card. JERICHO is a cancer. The difference is that Punk will cuss you out to your face, Jericho will smile and charm you while he's drawing the knife. And on this issue, Solo, I think you've completely taken the bait.
Look, I don't agree with what AEW is doing by bringing back the elite managers without some kind of disciplinary actions set against them for their role in the post media scrum melee, but Punk looks like an even bigger jerk then them by not keeping his baggage down where it belongs on the ground. If you go out calling people names who were the instigators to the main instigator, you've lost your point and given the company a reason to not punish the actors involve but rather punish him in the most severe form. If I'm WWE and I'm seeing this, I'm laughing to myself for knowing I did the right thing by getting rid of the cancer known as Punk as quick as I could when he wouldn't play ball with my management no matter how right or wrong we were. CM Punk is never going to wrestle in a ring again especially on a high promotion because he whines more than he wrestles and what company or promotion is going to want to put up with it?
I think there’s some truth to what punk is saying. After all what does he have to lose ? Unfortunately a lot of the dirt sheets and podcasters will say “he’s lying” and “he’s bitter.” Ima wait for the shoot interview if he can even do one.
How you can be skeptical of Moxley not wanting to lose to Punk or anyone for that matter. I think in all these years in aew Moxley only lost to Punk, MJF, and I think that's it. Ha.
Way too heated over this, unfortunately. Can't see some of the problems with this whole scenario but that's what happens when you accept a certain narrative and keep the blinders on.
I honestly can’t see the two sides coming together now. Side note: it’s hilarious that Jericho would take credit for the fans singing theme songs when, as Solomonster pointed out, there’s been so many instances where fans were doing that LONG before “Judas” was a thing. Hell, I remember The Undertaker coming out to “American Badass” from Kid Rock in 2000 and the fans singing “HEY!HEY!” every week. This is the “Jericho invented that” meme all over again. 😆😂
I'm ashamed of the fact that I used to be a fan of CM Prick. The guy is his own worst enemy and he can't keep his mouth shut. I can understand being frustrated, but if you bury the very company that's giving you a BIG push and a BIG win, what did he expect to happen?
Yeah and the Buck's/Omega antics in one of their first matches back was "Oh So Professional" and didn't do ANYTHING to antagonize. "I'm Tired... I'm hurt... and I work with CHILDREN!" Neither side is blameless so stop making excuses when someone fires back after hearing slanted and biased things in 'Dirt sheet' news outlets.
I cant see TK asking him to wrestle if he wasn't cleared to go knowing what punk went threw in WWE. Also isnt there a pic of Mox FTR Punk and Aubrey flipping the bird. I doubt Mox has that big of an ego. Didn't punk say he didnt want the title. I highly doubt he'd go back to WWE imo.
If Tony Khan insisted on CM Punk going through with the Moxley match BEFORE he was even cleared by doctors I can't sit here and blame Punk for what he said 🤷
CM PUNK IS A BIGGER MONEY DRAWER AND A BIGGER STAR THEN JERICHO, OMEGA, THE BUCKS AND THAT WHOLE ROSTER COMBINED, SO IF HE WANTS TO, HE WILL BE BACK, WETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT, IT’S NOT UP TO THEM, IT’S UP TO HIM DECIDING IF AND WHEN HE WISHES TO RETURN!!!
Imagine accepting Punks apology knowing he’s just going to screw it up again. The guy has a short fuse when things don’t go his way. Childish-brat behavior
Man this CM Punk vs The Elite/AEW Fall Out/ IWC collectively goes insane storyline is one of the best in recent memory 😂 Crazy how everybody took that media scrum like it was a UFC post fight presser.
@25:35 Jericho is wrong. The fans were chanting burn it down way before Chris had the instrumental for the song made. And fans hatted it when Seth changed the song remember. During his chicken shit WWE title run when he was running all the time. Aew was just on a piece of paper 📜 without a name or roster. Chris needs to stay in his lane 😂
The way Solomonster goes to bat against Punk is worrying. Go watch what Frankie Kazarian had to say about his time in AEW with Konnan. "Not everyone you call a friend is a friend." There are a lot of questions marks over TK, Jericho, and The Elite about how they are running the company. And why would it be so unbeluevable that Mox wouldn't job unless there's a 50/50 booking, I mean the only 4 people he lost to in AEW were Punk, Omega, MJF, and Adam Page. Is Phil Brooks an asshole? Probably. But I doubt that he is lying about this.
That would be very stupid because if a company has to resort to having their wrestlers acting like children to drum up interest, that's just fucking embarrassing
Both sides are at fault. But AEW and Tony CON deserve this controversy for allowing the EVP's to basically launch a SMEAR campaign against CM Punk behind the scenes FOR MONTHS. 🤨
You guys realize that we’re all marks, right? This is all to entertain and amuse us. There’s nothing to figure out here because it’s ALL a work and for the company to get their rating’s because they know we will keep watching to see where this ends up. I’ll bet behold the scenes that most of these talents get along and they all plan ways to keep us tuning in. Truly fine acting! Remember everyone, it’s ENTERTAINMENT! They’re in the business to ENTERTAIN us and draw money and if it means making up shit like this then they definitely know what they’re doing to keep the audience and make money not to mention “steal” WWE fans.
I would love to believe that’s the case, for all of this to be them entertaining us. You know what’s a crazy theory? If the brawl out happens to be some kind of work to promote AEW All Access, because All Access would be worth the watch if it’s a work.
@@shaheenmall3923 lol just thinking outside of the box! If I were a promoter trying to draw a fan base I’d do it at any cost. This feels like a huge work to me. Work or not though it’s bringing in the viewers!
@@thepalatrpro Indeed! After 6 in a half months it’s still the most talked about thing in all of Professional Wrestling. Tony is on social media a lot, and I’m sure he sees numerous posts from fans of wanting CM Punk vs Kenny Omega or CM Punk and FTR vs The Elite, or hell CM Punk vs Chris Jericho after 10 years. Those feuds will definitely bring in viewers, sell tickets, and increase PPV Buys.
The CM Punk picture used in the picture is honestly feeling like he's staring into my soul, I half expect Punk to call me out in his next rambling breakdown because of that.
Everyone who for over 7 years called Punk a crybaby and a quitter on the day Punk returned to wrestling: "No no, wait wait..." as they lean back and kick their feet up on the table.
He appeals to the average intelligent audience. Like what Bischoff said. He potrays this rebellious persona that usually teenagers like. So it’s natural for fans with teenage brains to find him appealing
Punk's always nursing an injury, and is impossible for any promotion to deal with. Especially, behind the scenes. He's always been this way, and is a huge mark for himself. From the time he broke into the business, he's had these issues, everywhere he's ever worked. Phil draws nothing but bad press, everywhere he goes...
While I agree on Punk's stance on Mox's idea for the squash match and build to the PPV, it feels like a 180 for Punk to be throwing some shade at Moxley. Especially when Moxley was one of the very few people Punk actually put over during that media scrum. I guess Punk was being two-faced on his stance with Moxley.
It'll not be answered by Tony Khan, because good old Uncle Dave will hush hush it because of how his buddy buddy is Chris Jericho , Omega and the Bucks
Thank you solomonster for going in depth and being pretty balanced all things considered. Punk is an ass, I don't think it's controversial to say so and I'm a huge CM Punk fan. But if what Punk is saying is true, this is once again a pretty damning indictment on AEW, TK, and saddest of all, Mox himself. All this talk TK loves to give lip service to about how AEW is a wrestler-first company, but to have guys come back before they're medically cleared? Especially given Punk's history with dealing with that crap in wwe? That makes him a gigantic hypocrite. And for Mox to flat out refuse to lose to someone, especially after he got all those flowers laid at his feet for being a company guy who supposedly took one for the team to step up when Punk went down, even going to far as to cancel his time off, only to come in and refuse to lose to someone unless he squashed him first? Beef or not that's just stupid and petty. Punk is an asshole and needs to grow up when it comes to going scorched earth on people, even for minor slights. But for one second step into his shoes. He comes back, gets a massive response and is welcomed back home after so many years away from the business. Then people feed Meltzer some bullshit about how he's burying guys and forcing them off tv. He's already got a reputation as a jerk so that doesn't help him, even though we know those were complete bullshit someone fed to Meltzer who ran with it as fact. Then you have a guy who's only been wrestling for 5 years come out and go into business for himself in a promo against you and shoots on you. The same guy who's publicly said he doesn't care to listen to vets because "they started a revolution". As a fan, who cares? But for someone like Punk who holds deep admiration for guys like Jake Robert's, malenko, arn Anderson, Sting etc., I can see why he'd be offended. Then he gets hurt while the rumors continue on and on while your boss does nothing to squash them. All the while that same boss also apparently wants you to come back before you're cleared just to lose a squash match to someone you're about to beat in a few weeks anyway, but he apparently won't lose to you unless you allow the squash to happen first. Yes. Punk is an asshole and needs to maybe come off his high horse a bit. But to everyone out there, especially the Jericho's of the world who just scoff and think "he's a cancer, he's totally in the wrong and he hasn't been slighted in the least bit" need to grow up a bit themselves. Because I guarantee if you were an athlete somewhere where you had rumors spread about you and you're boss didn't defend you while at the same time asked you to work or play hurt, you'd be pissed too
Moxley never refused to lose (even though he lost anyway) its just some bs Punk need to say to cover his insecurities We never heard bad stories or other wrestlers complaining about Mox refusig to lose in WWE or AEW Also Punk refused to lose to Ryback in 2012 and he did everything in his power to keep his title agains The Rock in 2013 he even confirmed in a Starrcast and the Cabana Podcast, Phil said " you could say i was trying to politicate myself into the main event of WM which of course i was " Delusional Phil strikes again, even Roman Reigns and Aj Styles 2 of the most beloved guys have come out and said how much of a prick Mr Phil Brooks is...what does that tells you
Isn't CM Punk good friends with Moxley's wife, Renee? Yes, Punk and Renee got along when they worked together in WWE Backstage. Why would Punk bashed his own friend's husband, Mox, on social media, making him and her look bad? Punk is not a good friend, not a good co-worker, and not a good business partner.
I find it highly amusing that the same who people who LOVED Punk when he walked out of WWE, now all of a sudden call him 'unprofessional' when he has issues with AEW. This whole situation is a mess, and it's a shame that most people don't want to think about this logically. This whole thing started when Hangman did his shoot promo, which is funny because nobody seems to want to hold him accountable, considering he started it. It was about Punk supposedly getting Cabana ousted from AEW. If you take a moment, and think about this, that makes NO sense at all. Punk debuted for AEW in August 2021, and Colt's last AEW TV match (before disappearing) was in March 2022. That means that Colt and Punk were able to co-exist in AEW for 8 MONTHS with ZERO reports of them having issues. That alone right there destroys any credibility of the reports that Punk got Cabana ousted. Speaking of that, Meltzer's report made sure to point out that the Bucks 'saved' Colts job. If you don't think the Bucks had a hand in that report, then you are naïve, because why else would Meltzer make sure to point that out? So basically this whole mess started because of a lie. Punk firing back didn't help matters, but I can't blame him when nothing is being done about the situation. TK lets the wrestlers do whatever they want, instead of being a boss. Was what Punk did at the scrum unprofessional? Absolutely, and he should've been punished for it, but once again, it's hard for me to blame him when people are spreading lies about him, and his boss is doing nothing about it. If this was happening to you at your job, and your boss wasn't doing anything about it, then you probably wouldn't like it either. I agree with Solo that all of these guys can't co-exist, and it's best for them not to be in the same company, but it really irks me that people are putting most of the blame on Punk, when ALL of this would've been avoided if TK was an actual boss, and didn't let people spread rumors behind the scenes, or do shoot promos on live TV. If Punk was truly this 'cancer' behind the scenes, I'm pretty sure there would've been a report about it within the 10 MONTHS he was in AEW before this whole mess started. No, the only cancers in AEW are the ones who spread rumors, and try to push people out of the company who are a threat to them, which in this case would be Jericho and the Bucks. One more thing, Punk took down his post probably because it was leaked that there's a clause in AEW contracts that forbid people in AEW to publicly criticize anything about AEW, or about anyone in AEW. I find that pretty amusing, considering AEW was supposed to be different from WWE, yet apparently they're just as controlling of their talent lol
Im here over a year later and after Punk's firing and helwani interview and it all makes sense when he laid it out and you're absolutely right, Hangman TO THIS DAY has yet to be held accountable by these mark fans for starting all this horseshit. If not for him, Punk might still be in AEW today.
It could be me, but I think the media scrum was a pre-meditated ploy by Punk because he knew he was going to be out for months due to injury. All of this shade towards AEW is a way for him to return back to the company as a heel.
I also feel the same way as well, at least I hope that’s the case! Sometimes I feel like it’s a work, and then sometimes I’m like “oh sh!t, maybe some of this stuff might actually be legit”. Given what’s been reported, I can see this being similar to MJF’s situation where Fightful reported that he booked a plane ticket back home during DON weekend last year, and how he refused to attend an autograph session, but all that ended up being a work and him trashing the company after DON. So maybe Punk’s IG story was a work to promote his return, especially how Moxley today didn’t go on a rant on him and just rambled about other stuff basically. Most people would’ve expected Moxley to go on a full rant and blast him.
that dark side of the ring episode of CM Punk is going to be legendary
No cap
I really want HBO to make a miniseries about this!
Larry the dog getting thrown across the room😂 they will just throw a dog plush to replay the moment on that episode
@@javo10ful 🤣🤣🤣
This aged like a load of bread
It's a coin flip between Ric Flair and CM Punk as the thinnest skinned grown ass men in the wrestling business
Him not wanting to wrestle while not clear is thin skinned? What a shut and bias take. How much Jericho and the Elite paying you?
@@willt8848 I guess it's a three-way coin flip between you, Flair, and Punk.
@@glenndallas7171 Eat a frank you doof
Yeah poor Punk everybody conspires against poor Phily boy
😂😂😂😂😂
Add Seth Rollins and your LIST is Complete ….
Wrestlers being vague on social media will always be both the most fascinating, the most frustrating, and the most boring things ever.
Just makes you love Ricky Starks all the more, I've seen maybe 2 AEW shows ever (because I barely watch wrestling nowadays as is not because of them) and I still really like him purely for the "it's in Philly you big dumb bitch" and "I wish my co-workers would stfu" 😂😂😂
If it’s “fascinating” then it can’t be boring lol
Brawl Out is becoming this century’s version of Montreal
They wish, at least Montreal lead to big business for WWE.
Lol no it's not at all
@@senorfish2503It's controversial, like Montreal. But not exactly the same.
Montreal led to a turning point for the business. This led to showing further proof that some grown adults are overly emotional and act like children.
@@jareddavis9012 anything in wrestling can be controversial. Linking something to a major event where things dramatically changed for all parties involved is a completely different level.
It's time for C.M. Punk to start a podcast with Conrad Thompson called "434 days."
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they will be eating nonstop muffins
@@mramos1126 None left for Punk
I do agree with CM Punk saying how Dave Meltzer is a liar with the kind of influence he has towards AEW but for a guy who claims to be straight edge, he sure sounds like a person that does a lot of a drunk posting
Pretty sure he was probably taking Ambien or something.
@@corymitchell5750 I legitimately think the dude has some mental health stuff that he just never got diagnosed. There's just no other reason why he is always so combative, passive aggressive, on edge, and anxious. And if he's straight edge, wouldn't his belief system prevent him from taking medications to treat that?
Just cuz you're sXe doesn't mean you can't be under the influence of your emotions, which MOST ideals are carved from. And it DEFINITELY doesn't mean you can't have an addictive personality. And guess what, the chemicals in your brain that make up emotions are EASILY the most addictive substance of all time. I imagine Brooks to be the type who preaches his ideals like Rush Limbaugh used to in that ANYONE who isn't one million percent aligned with said ideals is a bad person.
It's only a matter of time before April Mendez sees the writing on the wall and drops Brooks like a bad habit because of this. It'll take just ONE disagreement. If Brooks can trash his lifelong friend about that, then what is stopping him from doing to same to his own wife?
I feel bad for Brooks. But bad is all I feel. At 44 years old, he should know better. Resisting the temptation to swing your ideals around like a bick dick is something you learn in your damn 20s.
@j0elsuf Oh stfu. Talking like you know these people. Foh with that nonsense
Agreed Bro 😂
Everyone gave Vince McMahon hell for what CM Punk went through health-wise there. If CM Punk is telling the truth about Tony Khan making him wrestle while he was hurt, everyone needs to keep that SAME ENERGY....
They're not going to because they'd have to admit that Punk was right. The AEW crowd don't like Punk, he is a brutally honest guy who calls people out on their shit in a business notorious for politics and bull shit. Plus modern wrestling fans are much more in line with nerd culture and as a result, they are naturally turned off by brutally honest aggressive guys.
I love how people are just ignoring this part of the story. I wouldn't blame the guy if they wanted him to work hurt and him refusing to.
Making him wrestle? LMAO. Bro, did you not see the same post media scrum that we did? It seems like TK wasn't really making Punk do anything LOL.
No we don’t.
@@Ori0n1975 Why not?
Punk was barely there for a cup of coffee and single handle almost destroyed AEW from the inside.
@@marcbasil punk was the for about a year ish
Punk was simply one cog in a bigger machine that led to that. Page can be held to account for the promo that started it then whoever leaked the rumors to Meltzer.
But yeah, it was all punk....
@@ChaseNada think of it this way. Punk CHOSE to handle this situation in the worst way possible. Everyone is so fixated and obsessed with the backstage fight, but nobody is talking about the PR shitstorm for the company that Punk created with his little meltdown at the media scrum. He caused irreversible damage to AEW and it's perception in the eyes of the fans during a very critical period in the company's history. Sorry, dude. While the Bucks, Tony Khan, and AEW'S HR/Legal department have to accept their share of the blame, the brunt of it goes to Punk. If any of us publicly behaved the way Punk did at our places of work, we'd be fired on the spot.
@@VMR514 One year is a cup of coffee?
He’s def rotted the inside of that locker room man. I hope dude never comes back.
I could see Jericho running his mouth before the Bucks tbh.
Why does it have to be one or the other? I'm pretty sure both Jericho and The Elite were running their mouths to Meltzer, as they're all friends. It's not a coincidence that Meltzer had to point out that the Bucks were the ones who 'saved' Colts job.
CM Punk is such a Bret Hart fan that he wanted to create his own Montreal incident LMAO
THIS 👏👏👏👏👏
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I tend to have the complete opposite tone and view of CM Punk than Solo does, but I respect his analysis.
I don’t think the Punk/AEW issues are anywhere near the level of bridge-burning that everyone else sees. There’s been way worse in wrestling. I think Punk apologizing is fine, the Bucks need to apologize because those dirt sheet rumors didn’t spread themselves. Jericho and Meltzer are completely at fault as well.
TK is the biggest issue. Pick a problem: Miro, Andrade, Sammy, fights, shady press dealings, injury clearance, it all goes back to him being an ineffective leader.
Too many egos and too little, too late in my opinion.
Everyone is to blame here, not just punk.
That's how I see it, too.
Tony Khan should have put his foot down and stopped the tension from building into this. Khan has shown to be a passive leader and wants to avoid confrontation. But when you work with egotistical wrestlers who can destroy a locker room, that mentality will never work.
TK is too passive aggressive. He wrote a team called best friends. If that’s not indicative of how TK views this industry. He just wants everybody to get along.
No actually those dirt sheet rumors can spread themselves, it could have entirely been made up by some "journalist" or it could have been spread by anyone else, punk had no evidence it was the elite, stop believing dirt sheets when half the stuff is made up. Punk shouldnt have been such a mark for himself and let the dirt sheets be what they are; dirt.
The Bucks need to be stripped of their EVP titles and if they complain, show em the door. Tony should never allow active wrestlers in executive positions again.
CM Punk may be better for AEW TV but he’s much worse for AEW’s locker room. Dude is his own worst enemy
So are we gonna ignore the fact that Meltzer’s BS reporting is what started this? How come nobody is taking accountability on Meltzer, Jericho, and The Bucks??
@@shaheenmall3923 no I actually think what started this was a grown man ranting about his employers in an epic meltdown after he had just won the championship at their biggest show of the year last year. I see you conveniently left out Moxley amongst the names you listed explain to me what did he do for Punk to mention?
@@jordan12118 Seems to be a lot of CM Punk defenders in the comment section
@@shaheenmall3923 CM Punk is a grown ass man acting like a fucking teenage girl. Who gives af what your co workers or dirt sheets are saying when you’re making millions of dollars.
@@jordan12118 😂😂😂😂 boy you Meltzer marks are hysterical, no matter what situation him or the Bucks or Jericho are in, you guys can never put any sort of blame on them, it’s quite embarrassing honestly. If Hangwoman Page never went off script and Jericho or the Bucks didn’t feed Meltzer the whole Colt Cabana story, none of this fiasco would’ve occurred. At least I’m willing to admit that Punk should’ve never went on a rant at the scrum and should’ve handled it in private, but at the same I understand why he needed to call out the bucks for being the irresponsible EVP’s that they’re. No wonder why Cody left AEW, because of the toxic environment the Bucks and Jericho created, if I recall there were rumors that Cody supposedly had heat, I know Cody said that he didn’t leave AEW because of the bucks but maybe he did but he just doesn’t want to admit it cause he’s trying to save face. Y’all turned on Punk over dirtsheet rumors and him exposing things, just like y’all turned on Cody.
I know he mentioned Moxley on his Instagram, but since he was so quick to delete it he was probably just trolling cause he loves getting a rise out of the IWC. Especially after his weird IG story about HBK.
If AEW wants to grow and evolve they shouldn't bring back Punk. No one man should be above the company. I don't think The Elite were completely in the right but Punk had an opportunity to be the bigger man when he came back from injury but instead he went into business for himself by calling out Page, and then the media scrum incident made it all worse
Why does Punk, the guy who got his locker room invaded by 5 people, who was only responding to shit other people did, have to apologise?
In what world is he to blame for any of this?
You fucking children need to get your heads in to the real world, where you don't start shit you can't finish.
Moxley was about to put over Nia Jax on his way out of WWE but we’re supposed to believe he refused to do the job to Punk lol
If he had say in that situation he would’ve told them hell no
@@rudymenchacaa9970 maybe you should do your research again dummy
Punk never said he refused to do the job. Dirt sheets made that up
As Jim Cornette said about the Montreal Screwjob(which is what Brawl Out is to AEW), there are no Faces here because this is a Heel program.
Although I don't hate Punk, I agree with Solomonster because it is hard to defend a guy who seems to attract controversy wherever he goes. Fans of Punk can't keep saying, "It's A Coincidence!" because there is Coincidence then there's More Than A Coincidence which becomes Reality.
I'm convinced that had Punk never gotten into wrestling, he'd probably be a cult leader the way he manipulates, gaslights others, and constantly moves the goal post around.
Your assessment is fundamentally correct, but to reword what you said in a more cogent terms: "there is coincidence, and there are trends."
@@PPKNexus Exactly 💯
Cornette, in real life, is one of the biggest heels in the business. A narcissistic sociopath.
RVD and Balls Mahoney also come to mind as ECW guys who had fans singing along to their entrance music. Yeah, as much as I enjoy fans singing Judas, that song did not blaze the trail.
Don’t hurt Jericho’s fragile ego. He needs to have invented everyone.
@Drew Russell Haha! I won't lie, if he and Hogan co-authored a wrestling history book... I'd buy it.
Balls! Balls! Ballls! Balls!
Kenny Omega always seemed like a chilled guy and i'm sure he himself before Brawl Out never actually had any issues personally with Punk.. hell if rumours are true he even tried to get Punk's dog out of harms way after the Bucks kicked the door into the dogs face. It's hard to really say who's side to believe.. I do believe Hangman Page however started the whole thing and got out of dodge when things got too heated in this.
Yeah it's somewhat irritating to think that Page kicked the whole thing off yet gets away scot free.
Don't care how well liked he is behind the scenes, he has some weight to bear in this circumstance.
@@ChaseNada It does feel like it all comes back to Colt Cobana as the centre of it all, if Page is close friends with Cobana then kinda makes sense why Page would start all that shit and stir up trouble with Punk. Maybe it was Page who sparked those rumours about Punk wanting Cobana fired..etc and then that lead to the Bucks getting involved?
@@ChaseNada Here’s the thing: I think any person looking at this situation objectively will agree that Hangman started it. However, what Punk did/said in retaliation was WAY disproportionate to the original offense
It’s like if somebody calls you ugly and in retaliation you shoot them. Yes the first person initiated the conflict, but you definitely went too far with your retaliation
Honestly, I’ve never heard of Kenny getting into a fight up until the brawl out, he seems noble enough to do business with
@@jordiogando695 Honestly a Punk vs Omega feud would have been really cool to see, I am hoping everything will settle down and we get that match.
Punk and FTR vs The Elite would do huge business. But everyone involved just can’t move past their differences to help the company out for the future. It’s a shame.
That match would be great to happen in WWE’s Wrestlemania next year, since it would do monumental business there
"Monumental buisness" for a match the WWE audience dosent care or knows the story behind it , also if you think Triple H is going to hire Phil after everything he said about him since leavig and his disastrous run in AEW you are delusional
Stop living in your bubble
This is were TK needs to step in and act like a boss and have everybody sit down to do business. I really hope TK is smart enough to turn this into a storyline, because tons of money would be made, ratings, ticket sales, merchandise sales, and PPV Buyrates would surge tremendously. Having CM Punk and FTR as a heel trio would be like AEW’s version of the Bloodline.
@@user-vj9qz3br6l dude stfu, idiots gotta jump in and include WWE unnecessarily
The Young Bucks probably didn’t say anything to Meltzer, Alvarez, or SRS, but someone who was close to The Bucks probably did, because Hangman’s promo obviously alluded to the Colt Cabana rumors and he’s close to the Bucks and Cabana. Chris Jericho obviously was having conversations with Meltzer about CM Punk, there was a video where Meltzer completely buried Punk, and did not hold The Elite equally responsible for Brawl Out.
I don't like Meltzer at all, but I call BS on the Elite spreading rumors. Colt Cabana, a man that a lot of people like especially by those backstage in AEW, mysteriously leaves the product not along after a man who had public falling out with signs. People are going to think there is a connection.
Page's infamous promo was quoting Punk's tweet about Sasha and Naomi walking out of WWE. Because it is clear, at least he thinks Punk is the reason why Cabana left the company.
Let's be real. With or without Punk, Cabana would be out of the company anyway. Considering his only contributes to the company were standing in the background of Dark Order segments and competing on UA-cam.
@@JohnWilliams-wl9px I'm starting to wonder if this rumor about Colt maybe wasn't even started by anyone in AEW and I am wondering if maybe this rumor got started by fans online connecting shit like you said and then coming up with conspiracies about it. And the dirtsheets simply started asking around about it before it started spreading like wildfire.
@DeadmanInc336 is definitely a chicken or the egg situation.
@@DeadmanInc336 maybe but regardless Page should have never brought it up. It also wasn't well received by the fans in attendance. They were like huh? He was a real moron for that.
You know maybe if Dave did not say anything none of this story with Punk exploding again would of happened but who am I kidding it would of happened anyway under different circumstances. 😮💨
My opinion but I put some blame on Dave for brawl out
Jericho is delusional. Even the Lucha Dragons had their theme song sung.
Punk is making Mox sound like he didn’t want to lose the belt to him. If he was a backstage politician then why did Mox drop the belt at the PPV? Punk is really such a headache for AEW. I still am a fan of Punk, but he’s acting very childish.
One thing I never understood about colt cabana thing is before Punk was ever there, it’s not like cabana was on TV every week anyway.
He literally was just a background guy in that jobber stable OR he was never on TV.
A lot of this is TK’s fault. Yes Jericho is a stooge. But also yes, Punk talks way too fuckin much for his own good
That was the interesting part of this drama. But like others have mentioned it isn’t a big leap that cabana being let go probably was a result of Punk coming in. If Punk wasn’t brought in he probably would’ve been kept around but when they got Punk it was probably a choice that this guy isn’t big enough to risk issues.
If working with Vince McMahon and WWE's creative is perceived as walking on egg shells, trying to work an angle with Punk must be like working in an unstable nuclear power plant.
Let us hope he permanently retires.
Exactly 💯
Punk never seeing a Rocky movie is the real travesty here
Punk is kinda an asshole so it fits
AEW tribalists: It’s a work.
It could always turn into one if it isn’t. That’d be the smartest thing to do if AEW wants to increase ratings, fan attendance, PPV buys, and merchandise sales.
r/BRO_TRUST_ME 😂
We all wanted so badly to know what the CM stood for that we all ignored what the "Punk" stood for.
lol
Crap Master Punk.
Cry More Punk
@@DeadmanInc336 lol
Cringe
Chris Jericho invented everything
it has to be jericho leaking things. jericho being petty and bringing in colt cobana as the mystery opponent in that episode of aew dynamite just makes a lot more sense
Punk was the one that acted like a child, after being given the belt not once, but twice! Let's not get started on his contract. Dude was getting paid millions. What does he do? Buries the entire company.
Punk has a history of doing this but you guys thought it was cool when he did to wwe but you don’t like him doing this to aew
You give punk way more energy than the evps who barged into his locker room and who also are friends/talk to Dave meltzer or the guy who started the shooting first.
Not the biggest Punk fan but I find it weird and weak that everybody else can talk about him and the situation but when he talks about it everybody acts like he’s the devil
One thing that disappoints me about Jericho, is why the hell would he say that Punk is a cancer when Punk has not said anything bad publicly EVER about Jericho over the years. If anything they were well respected friends. And why is he leaking stories to Dave Meltzer? Leaking stuff seems like such a childish and shitty thing to do in the wrestling business and for someone like Jericho who is supposed to be the well respected veteran on the roster that is a mentor to the young talent is quite disappointing.
You leak stories to stay relevant and have your narrative out in the open.
Because CM Punk has come to AEW and brought a post influence to a lot of folks. We haven't seen people coming off better when they worked with Jericho. Luckily for MJF, he is very talented to wipe off the stink of Jericho, but anyone else, though?
Punk has actually crap talked Jericho on the 2014 podcast with Colt Cabana.
Punk said he refused to talk to Jericho because he had “an agenda.”
I enjoyed Punk's run in AEW, I was a fan again for the first time in so long.
Lol sad
Ikr 😢
@@wilonealtaylorjr826 Sad that he enjoyed something? Lol some of y’all are miserable
Impressive
He's trying to speed run his wwe career
I honestly felt Jericho was behind all this
And Punk just assumed it was The Elites
Because it was also The Elite. Hangman started the whole thing, and he's a part of The Elite. Both The Elite and Jericho were stirring up the drama.
@@scotlanrogers5327 I can give you the summary:
- On 5/25/2022 Hangman Page cuts his 'workers rights' shoot promo on Punk, which was way out of character, and didn't make any sense.
- On 5/30/2022 Meltzer wrote in the Observer that Colt Cabana was off AEW TV, it may be related to Punk, and The Bucks pushed for Colt to get a new contract
- Punk wins the title at Double or Nothing, then gets injured at the next Dynamite due to that stupid stage dive
- While Punk is out, dirtsheets were putting out there that people in the AEW locker room don't like Punk, and consider him a 'cancer.'
- On 8/17/2022 Punk called out Hangman, which wasn't part of the plan that night. Punk called him a coward, and said that his "apology must be as loud as the disrespect."
Then the events at All Out happened.
Internet "reporters" have ruined wrestling. Why even allow Alvarez etc backstage? They just stir the shit.
If this is true, then it is scary how Cornette and Last are right about Jericho. Isn't stuff like this why he left WCW?
Yep Chris Jericho has become Hulk Hogan.
@@antoniusjohnson3824 Except without the drawing power.
Honestly no one looks good in either situation. Cabana wasn't used for months before Punk came in. Tony should of just let him go when he wasn't going to use anymore. Instead of just letting his contract run out. Page, the bucks, or whoever it was close to them shouldn't of been spreading rumors to people like Dave about Punk. Tony should of squashed everything as soon as Page did that promo. He should of cut Punk off and said no is not the time during the conference. Jericho shouldn't be talking about something he apparently only heard about with the media and Punk and Punk and the Bucks and Omega. And "reporters" like Dave should stop reporting on one sided news that their buddies say. Enough other wrestlers Dave has talked about said they never talked to Dave so he doesn't have the whole story. And Tony needs to stop kissing Dave butt and tell his wrestlers he finds out they are talking to any reporter they are done. That's why people look at the company like it's a joke. It's run by inexperienced people who can't handle a situation
How can Punk have never seen Rocky 3?! I always thought Punks comeback would be just like a Rocky movie but all his career has become is his death like Apollo Creed in Rocky 4.
He never seen any Rocky movie
What kinda man has never seen a Rocky movie?
Cm Punk is officially the Antonio Brown of wrestling.
I was gonna say he was the Mark David Chapman of professional wrestling. Minus the shooting John Lennon part, obviously....
Broooo Antonio Brown is like a thousand times worse than you think CM Punk is 😂😂 at least Punk isn’t a woman abuser and doesn’t get in trouble with law enforcement.
LMFAOOO
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@@shaheenmall3923 You're missing the point of the analogy. The point is that Antonio Brown proved to be more trouble than he was worth everywhere he went and tried to make himself look like the victim every time the team wanted to get rid of him.
I'm still curious to know WHO spread those rumors about Punk. If the Elite were cleared by a third party, then whoever's at fault is STILL at large. What a swerve it would be if Colt Cabana was behind the rumors all along.
"It was me, Phil! It was me all along!!!"
@@DeadmanInc336 Ah son of a 😅
@@lancethefilmguy9392 "Even my Mother who I share a bank account with bought it!"
@@lancethefilmguy9392 "WHAT?!"
I can't believe Cm junk would ever ever talk bad about his employer and fellow wrestlers it must be fake it is impossible to believe
The punk drama is the most entertaining thing in wrestling 🤣 I love it when wrestlers act like divas 🍵
Solomonster thinking the bucks and dirt sheets are innocent all while rumors were spread about Cody and his wife being hated is hilarious.
Everyone who even takes an instant to analyze the situation will see that the bucks are in no way innocent.
Unfortunately, a narrative has now been built that allows them and page to look like the victims when ALL should be held account for what happened.
Tony included.
Luckily Brian Last calls them out on their BS with Cornette😂
For real. I usually like Solo's take on things but damn. The EVPs are just as guilty as Punk and should have been stripped of their office titles immediately
@@Yoshiinite why? The Bucks and Omega did not go in front of the media and the press and PUBLICLY embarrass the entire company and owner with a petulant meltdown. We also still don't have actual proof that it was indeed any of the EVPs who were leaking stuff to the dirtsheets. Just rumors, gossip, accusations, and allegations. The latter two being very difficult to prove. Sean Ross Sapp already said that it wasn't any of the EVPs leaking that stuff, especially the Bucks. Watch it turns out it was Jericho or somebody else. Then you guys will look very foolish.
You clearly didn't listen to anything Solomonster said and I think you just don't really like the Bucks, Omega, and I am gonna throw Hangman's name into the mix.
@@XombieLejon66 solo has actually said the same. When Brawl Out was initially reported, he said he fire Punk, but also the Bucks and Omega should lose their EVP status immediately. That in addition to the suspensions. He even said it was a bad idea to let a working wrestler be an EVP at all.
Regardless of whose sider on and all of this. This whole situation is just Stupid, Childish and Embarrassing to AEW as whole.
Punk, The Elite, Page, &Jericho through all deserve fault for all of this drama & destruction. All these Grown-ass men doing this finger pointing & Cryptic Social media posting like they're Goddamn school children 🙄
The person I think who is the most to blame is Tony Khan himself for letting all this fester. If he put his foot down and conversated with everyone properly, I think a lot of this could have been avoided
This is more like Bret/Shawn in 1997.
Modern Day Montreal Screwjob
Let's be real Jericho is trying to phase out Punk because he knows Phil has sway with folks.
I don't think he buried Mox. In fact, he put the guy over in the scrum. I think he's just explaining "I was pissed off going into the match because we disagreed on creative and I was working hurt". I probably wouldn't have mentioned the Mox stuff but he's 100% right about Meltzer and Jericho. Meltzer very obviously picked a side, and it was the side that fed him. Hangman, Jericho, etc. There's a reason Kenny Omega has a 7-star match to his name and Shawn Michaels doesn't. Just like there's a reason that all the people in AEW who have nice things to say about Punk are the people who aren't threatened by another big star being brought in right at the top of the card.
JERICHO is a cancer. The difference is that Punk will cuss you out to your face, Jericho will smile and charm you while he's drawing the knife.
And on this issue, Solo, I think you've completely taken the bait.
Punk is the cancer.
The picture of Punk looks a poster for an upcoming horror movie:
Punk
Rated R
Coming soon
Look, I don't agree with what AEW is doing by bringing back the elite managers without some kind of disciplinary actions set against them for their role in the post media scrum melee, but Punk looks like an even bigger jerk then them by not keeping his baggage down where it belongs on the ground. If you go out calling people names who were the instigators to the main instigator, you've lost your point and given the company a reason to not punish the actors involve but rather punish him in the most severe form. If I'm WWE and I'm seeing this, I'm laughing to myself for knowing I did the right thing by getting rid of the cancer known as Punk as quick as I could when he wouldn't play ball with my management no matter how right or wrong we were. CM Punk is never going to wrestle in a ring again especially on a high promotion because he whines more than he wrestles and what company or promotion is going to want to put up with it?
I think there’s some truth to what punk is saying. After all what does he have to lose ? Unfortunately a lot of the dirt sheets and podcasters will say “he’s lying” and “he’s bitter.”
Ima wait for the shoot interview if he can even do one.
It will come at some point. You can bet on it.
How you can be skeptical of Moxley not wanting to lose to Punk or anyone for that matter. I think in all these years in aew Moxley only lost to Punk, MJF, and I think that's it. Ha.
Way too heated over this, unfortunately. Can't see some of the problems with this whole scenario but that's what happens when you accept a certain narrative and keep the blinders on.
@@ChaseNada are you talking about me? Because I don't a give shit. Unlike you, I leave the house and get ass. Ha.
And he lost to Page recently.
@@antoniusjohnson3824 yeah, after beating the shit out him like 6 times. Ha.
So, I guess that's like 3/4 of a person he loses to every year. Oh and alcoholism. Ha.
I honestly can’t see the two sides coming together now.
Side note: it’s hilarious that Jericho would take credit for the fans singing theme songs when, as Solomonster pointed out, there’s been so many instances where fans were doing that LONG before “Judas” was a thing. Hell, I remember The Undertaker coming out to “American Badass” from Kid Rock in 2000 and the fans singing “HEY!HEY!” every week. This is the “Jericho invented that” meme all over again. 😆😂
I'm ashamed of the fact that I used to be a fan of CM Prick. The guy is his own worst enemy and he can't keep his mouth shut. I can understand being frustrated, but if you bury the very company that's giving you a BIG push and a BIG win, what did he expect to happen?
He is an ungrateful prick. WWE made him who he is. Without WWE, UFC wouldn’t even know he exists. And what did he do? He buried WWE since he left
Yeah and the Buck's/Omega antics in one of their first matches back was "Oh So Professional" and didn't do ANYTHING to antagonize. "I'm Tired... I'm hurt... and I work with CHILDREN!" Neither side is blameless so stop making excuses when someone fires back after hearing slanted and biased things in 'Dirt sheet' news outlets.
I cant see TK asking him to wrestle if he wasn't cleared to go knowing what punk went threw in WWE. Also isnt there a pic of Mox FTR Punk and Aubrey flipping the bird. I doubt Mox has that big of an ego. Didn't punk say he didnt want the title. I highly doubt he'd go back to WWE imo.
If Tony Khan insisted on CM Punk going through with the Moxley match BEFORE he was even cleared by doctors I can't sit here and blame Punk for what he said 🤷
Nah, I don't buy it. The same reason happened at the other place. Which means he's full of sh*t. No one wants to work with the guy for a reason.
@@93kronic Tony Khan also let Matt Hardy continue his match with Sammy Guevara even though he was clearly concussed. Not hard to believe at all
@owl if it's true. The word if. It's all allegation, and yet he deleted his post.🤷
@@93kronic no shit, that's why I said "if" in my original comment. Learning to read is important
@owl but why have an opinion when you don't know sh*t. 🤔
CM PUNK IS A BIGGER MONEY DRAWER AND A BIGGER STAR THEN JERICHO, OMEGA, THE BUCKS AND THAT WHOLE ROSTER COMBINED, SO IF HE WANTS TO, HE WILL BE BACK, WETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT, IT’S NOT UP TO THEM, IT’S UP TO HIM DECIDING IF AND WHEN HE WISHES TO RETURN!!!
Cm punk should come back to aew
Sean Ross Sapp as a credible source is a joke
Agreed. He's the same guy that picks a fight with people who question him
Imagine accepting Punks apology knowing he’s just going to screw it up again. The guy has a short fuse when things don’t go his way. Childish-brat behavior
And he called others “children” 😂
Punk claims to be a Bret Hart guy, yet he acts like late ‘90s Shawn Michaels.
At least HBK has charisma and good matches.
he more like Bret hart
Man this CM Punk vs The Elite/AEW Fall Out/ IWC collectively goes insane storyline is one of the best in recent memory 😂
Crazy how everybody took that media scrum like it was a UFC post fight presser.
Chris Jericho is the Gene Simmons of wrestling lol
@25:35 Jericho is wrong. The fans were chanting burn it down way before Chris had the instrumental for the song made. And fans hatted it when Seth changed the song remember. During his chicken shit WWE title run when he was running all the time. Aew was just on a piece of paper 📜 without a name or roster. Chris needs to stay in his lane 😂
The way Solomonster goes to bat against Punk is worrying.
Go watch what Frankie Kazarian had to say about his time in AEW with Konnan. "Not everyone you call a friend is a friend."
There are a lot of questions marks over TK, Jericho, and The Elite about how they are running the company.
And why would it be so unbeluevable that Mox wouldn't job unless there's a 50/50 booking, I mean the only 4 people he lost to in AEW were Punk, Omega, MJF, and Adam Page.
Is Phil Brooks an asshole? Probably. But I doubt that he is lying about this.
never thought I'd see the day where JD is the reasonable one of these 2 lol
@@Epsilonsamabro took that dirt sheet line to heart and he wasn’t even there
I appreciate The Last of Us reference, Solomonster.
It would be insane if this whole thing was one big work
The fan inside me hopes it all comes down to that
That would be very stupid because if a company has to resort to having their wrestlers acting like children to drum up interest, that's just fucking embarrassing
@@MazeDaGr8 Probably
Both sides are at fault. But AEW and Tony CON deserve this controversy for allowing the EVP's to basically launch a SMEAR campaign against CM Punk behind the scenes FOR MONTHS. 🤨
Um, didnt people sing along with Nakamura's theme?
Moxley carried aew...
Straight to mediocrity
Blood and guts buffoonery. 😂
Sounds like Jericho baited him, and The Bucks got punched in the face for it. No wonder Omega is debating leaving.
I doubt that plays apart in Kenny's decision or even if he's actually considering leaving.
CM Punk owns the Bucks!!
Even after this I'm still hoping he comes back. But if he doesn't it's whatever at this point.
You guys realize that we’re all marks, right? This is all to entertain and amuse us. There’s nothing to figure out here because it’s ALL a work and for the company to get their rating’s because they know we will keep watching to see where this ends up. I’ll bet behold the scenes that most of these talents get along and they all plan ways to keep us tuning in. Truly fine acting! Remember everyone, it’s ENTERTAINMENT! They’re in the business to ENTERTAIN us and draw money and if it means making up shit like this then they definitely know what they’re doing to keep the audience and make money not to mention “steal” WWE fans.
I would love to believe that’s the case, for all of this to be them entertaining us. You know what’s a crazy theory? If the brawl out happens to be some kind of work to promote AEW All Access, because All Access would be worth the watch if it’s a work.
@@shaheenmall3923 lol just thinking outside of the box! If I were a promoter trying to draw a fan base I’d do it at any cost. This feels like a huge work to me. Work or not though it’s bringing in the viewers!
@@thepalatrpro Indeed! After 6 in a half months it’s still the most talked about thing in all of Professional Wrestling. Tony is on social media a lot, and I’m sure he sees numerous posts from fans of wanting CM Punk vs Kenny Omega or CM Punk and FTR vs The Elite, or hell CM Punk vs Chris Jericho after 10 years. Those feuds will definitely bring in viewers, sell tickets, and increase PPV Buys.
I think neither side wants to apologize first.
But Punk should probably be the first.
Kahn doesn't have the personality to control alpha males.
Punk isnt an alpha male. He is a diva
The CM Punk picture used in the picture is honestly feeling like he's staring into my soul, I half expect Punk to call me out in his next rambling breakdown because of that.
Lol 😂 you knew punk was going to mess up
Everyone who for over 7 years called Punk a crybaby and a quitter on the day Punk returned to wrestling: "No no, wait wait..." as they lean back and kick their feet up on the table.
That thumb nail is priceless 😂😂
Who gives a shit about Punk now? It's always everyone else and it's never him.
Solomonster giving a noticeable counter narrative to what Jim Cornette and Brian Last keep saying about this subject.
Brian Last has spoken to people in AEW on this subject, and Jim Cornette has had personal dealings with The Young Bucks in ROH
I’m not finding it hard to believe the Jericho actually WAS the one that started this shit behind the scenes
why do people even like cm punk I never got it
He appeals to the average intelligent audience. Like what Bischoff said. He potrays this rebellious persona that usually teenagers like. So it’s natural for fans with teenage brains to find him appealing
I’m calling bullshit on him saying he’s never seen a Rocky movie
I don't know, he said it in 2010 too: twitter.com/CMPunk/status/27318106416
@@TheSolomonster I reckon he says these things so he comes off as someone who doesn’t follow the crowd
@@craigoneill2216why do you have a problem with somebody not watching a movie
I’ve never seen a rocky movie you gonna call bullshit on that
Punk's always nursing an injury, and is impossible for any promotion to deal with. Especially, behind the scenes.
He's always been this way, and is a huge mark for himself. From the time he broke into the business, he's had these issues, everywhere he's ever worked.
Phil draws nothing but bad press, everywhere he goes...
While I agree on Punk's stance on Mox's idea for the squash match and build to the PPV, it feels like a 180 for Punk to be throwing some shade at Moxley. Especially when Moxley was one of the very few people Punk actually put over during that media scrum.
I guess Punk was being two-faced on his stance with Moxley.
It'll not be answered by Tony Khan, because good old Uncle Dave will hush hush it because of how his buddy buddy is Chris Jericho , Omega and the Bucks
FTR Bald 😂😂😂
LMFAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Amazing how over these guys were and all it took as for Dax not knowing when to stfu on Twitter to throw alot of that goodwill away.
The same way Jericho has become an unbearable twat in AEW, I can easily see Mox refusing to do a job. The inmates run the asylum
HES TRYING TO RUN A BUSINESS cuz HES THE ONLY ONE there drawing money.
And Tony Khan let it slip that CM Punk probably has an executive position in the company.
Thank you solomonster for going in depth and being pretty balanced all things considered. Punk is an ass, I don't think it's controversial to say so and I'm a huge CM Punk fan. But if what Punk is saying is true, this is once again a pretty damning indictment on AEW, TK, and saddest of all, Mox himself. All this talk TK loves to give lip service to about how AEW is a wrestler-first company, but to have guys come back before they're medically cleared? Especially given Punk's history with dealing with that crap in wwe? That makes him a gigantic hypocrite. And for Mox to flat out refuse to lose to someone, especially after he got all those flowers laid at his feet for being a company guy who supposedly took one for the team to step up when Punk went down, even going to far as to cancel his time off, only to come in and refuse to lose to someone unless he squashed him first? Beef or not that's just stupid and petty.
Punk is an asshole and needs to grow up when it comes to going scorched earth on people, even for minor slights. But for one second step into his shoes. He comes back, gets a massive response and is welcomed back home after so many years away from the business. Then people feed Meltzer some bullshit about how he's burying guys and forcing them off tv. He's already got a reputation as a jerk so that doesn't help him, even though we know those were complete bullshit someone fed to Meltzer who ran with it as fact. Then you have a guy who's only been wrestling for 5 years come out and go into business for himself in a promo against you and shoots on you. The same guy who's publicly said he doesn't care to listen to vets because "they started a revolution". As a fan, who cares? But for someone like Punk who holds deep admiration for guys like Jake Robert's, malenko, arn Anderson, Sting etc., I can see why he'd be offended. Then he gets hurt while the rumors continue on and on while your boss does nothing to squash them. All the while that same boss also apparently wants you to come back before you're cleared just to lose a squash match to someone you're about to beat in a few weeks anyway, but he apparently won't lose to you unless you allow the squash to happen first.
Yes. Punk is an asshole and needs to maybe come off his high horse a bit. But to everyone out there, especially the Jericho's of the world who just scoff and think "he's a cancer, he's totally in the wrong and he hasn't been slighted in the least bit" need to grow up a bit themselves. Because I guarantee if you were an athlete somewhere where you had rumors spread about you and you're boss didn't defend you while at the same time asked you to work or play hurt, you'd be pissed too
Moxley never refused to lose (even though he lost anyway) its just some bs Punk need to say to cover his insecurities
We never heard bad stories or other wrestlers complaining about Mox refusig to lose in WWE or AEW
Also Punk refused to lose to Ryback in 2012 and he did everything in his power to keep his title agains The Rock in 2013 he even confirmed in a Starrcast and the Cabana Podcast, Phil said " you could say i was trying to politicate myself into the main event of WM which of course i was "
Delusional Phil strikes again, even Roman Reigns and Aj Styles 2 of the most beloved guys have come out and said how much of a prick Mr Phil Brooks is...what does that tells you
Punk said nothing wrong.
Isn't CM Punk good friends with Moxley's wife, Renee? Yes, Punk and Renee got along when they worked together in WWE Backstage. Why would Punk bashed his own friend's husband, Mox, on social media, making him and her look bad? Punk is not a good friend, not a good co-worker, and not a good business partner.
I find it highly amusing that the same who people who LOVED Punk when he walked out of WWE, now all of a sudden call him 'unprofessional' when he has issues with AEW. This whole situation is a mess, and it's a shame that most people don't want to think about this logically. This whole thing started when Hangman did his shoot promo, which is funny because nobody seems to want to hold him accountable, considering he started it. It was about Punk supposedly getting Cabana ousted from AEW. If you take a moment, and think about this, that makes NO sense at all. Punk debuted for AEW in August 2021, and Colt's last AEW TV match (before disappearing) was in March 2022. That means that Colt and Punk were able to co-exist in AEW for 8 MONTHS with ZERO reports of them having issues. That alone right there destroys any credibility of the reports that Punk got Cabana ousted. Speaking of that, Meltzer's report made sure to point out that the Bucks 'saved' Colts job. If you don't think the Bucks had a hand in that report, then you are naïve, because why else would Meltzer make sure to point that out? So basically this whole mess started because of a lie. Punk firing back didn't help matters, but I can't blame him when nothing is being done about the situation. TK lets the wrestlers do whatever they want, instead of being a boss.
Was what Punk did at the scrum unprofessional? Absolutely, and he should've been punished for it, but once again, it's hard for me to blame him when people are spreading lies about him, and his boss is doing nothing about it. If this was happening to you at your job, and your boss wasn't doing anything about it, then you probably wouldn't like it either. I agree with Solo that all of these guys can't co-exist, and it's best for them not to be in the same company, but it really irks me that people are putting most of the blame on Punk, when ALL of this would've been avoided if TK was an actual boss, and didn't let people spread rumors behind the scenes, or do shoot promos on live TV. If Punk was truly this 'cancer' behind the scenes, I'm pretty sure there would've been a report about it within the 10 MONTHS he was in AEW before this whole mess started. No, the only cancers in AEW are the ones who spread rumors, and try to push people out of the company who are a threat to them, which in this case would be Jericho and the Bucks.
One more thing, Punk took down his post probably because it was leaked that there's a clause in AEW contracts that forbid people in AEW to publicly criticize anything about AEW, or about anyone in AEW. I find that pretty amusing, considering AEW was supposed to be different from WWE, yet apparently they're just as controlling of their talent lol
Im here over a year later and after Punk's firing and helwani interview and it all makes sense when he laid it out and you're absolutely right, Hangman TO THIS DAY has yet to be held accountable by these mark fans for starting all this horseshit. If not for him, Punk might still be in AEW today.
21:28 Geez it’s like the time CM Punk smacked that fan on RAW thinking he hit Punk in the head when it was another fan who did it.
I wouldn’t believe a word Bryan Alvarez says
Never been a cm punk fan but it seems like he is talking out of both sides of his mouth
It could be me, but I think the media scrum was a pre-meditated ploy by Punk because he knew he was going to be out for months due to injury. All of this shade towards AEW is a way for him to return back to the company as a heel.
I also feel the same way as well, at least I hope that’s the case! Sometimes I feel like it’s a work, and then sometimes I’m like “oh sh!t, maybe some of this stuff might actually be legit”. Given what’s been reported, I can see this being similar to MJF’s situation where Fightful reported that he booked a plane ticket back home during DON weekend last year, and how he refused to attend an autograph session, but all that ended up being a work and him trashing the company after DON. So maybe Punk’s IG story was a work to promote his return, especially how Moxley today didn’t go on a rant on him and just rambled about other stuff basically. Most people would’ve expected Moxley to go on a full rant and blast him.
I think the drama is to get people to watch aew all access. It's all a work