This is hilarious, listening to this American reporter praising the laws of radical Islam, when, for 20 years, we would try to eliminate those very same laws
Its a shame that its gone back to where it was. Girls cant go to school and so forth. The brittish goverment is sponsoring afghan school girls to go to rwanda for schooling
Communism was the bigger threat. As soon as that disappeared, Islam rose to be the most disruptive power. Now Russian imperialism is back and has pushed Islamism away from being enemy number one. It may return, but as for now they lost their mojo and are on the defensive.
The quote from Kipling at the end of the documentary was interesting, some Soviet soldiers used to always keep a couple of grenades ready in case capture was imminent. No one ever wanted to be captured by those people.
@@kwhp1507 First of all the commentator did not say they did not take prisoners, he said "They do not like taking Prisoners." Those that were taken alive were usually tortured to death, the whole point of my comment. There were a number of cases of ransom and defection as well, but this was the exception not the rule. So there YOU go mate, the quicker the better.
Russians in Afghanistan were fighting with one hand tight behind their backs. Firstly, there was someone very generous who would give Taliban MANPADs, a bunch of land mines, millions of small arms with ammunition and facilitated the recruitment, arrival and training of hundreds of thousands of volunteers from all over the Middle East (that was how Bin Laden got there). Also, the insurgents had safe haven in Pakistan where Soviet troops, Air Force or Artillery under no circumstances were not allowed to fire at. Imagine if the US troops in Afghanistan were under the same constraints?
Neither the US or Soviet invasions were prosecuted with the purpose of total victory. Both were done at the behest of banking/corporate interests. Politicians are proxies for banking/corporate interests, when you understand this, offensive wars makes much more sense. Right now Russia vs Ukraine is a proxy war where real people's sons die for profit in moscow, london, nyc, etc.. At least in the old days kings used to fight and die in the battles, this is no longer the case.
The preeminent book on Soviet - Afghan War is : “The Soviet - Afghan War , How A Superpower Fought and Lost “ , The Russian General Staff . University Press of Kansas , translated and edited by Lester W. Grau and Michael A. Gress, Forward by Theodore C. Mataxis . This is a must read for any enthusiast or historian interested in this war.
Нашу советскую армию вывели аккуратно.Мы не бежали,как американцы. Выводом послужило предательство Горбачева.только этот человек причастен в выводе со своей демократией. ДА ЗДРАВСТВУЕТ НАША РОДИНА СССР
@@user-wf5gm8ld8w Yes the soviet army did have a better withdrawal than the Americans. They only had to cross a border. Donald Trump had a plan to withdraw from Afghanistan and then Joe Biden who replaced him to only screw things up. I personally blame the American Generals who should have known better. You know the US seems to be taking on the characteristics of the CCCP like how they lie to the people with propaganda few people believe or pretend to believe. America is a deeply corrupt country and Europe are little different. I don't understand why these elites are not content with Russians existing in the world. Bare in mind these Ukrainians are not fighting for their independence they are fighting for American corporations such as Black Rock and Monsanto to come and exploit them. I believe they will come to regret their partnership with the West. Just remember I do not believe in the Western propaganda. I am still waiting for a reason why Russians are my enemy and not our elites who are doing the damage. I am not the enemy of any Russian.
What other genocides?? The Soviets, unlike you, did not bomb the cities en masse! They were fighting real radicals, which was raging at that moment! The Afghans themselves called them! Remember me, what happened on September 11, 2001?
Having served in the U.S. Marine Corps during the Cold War I spoke with our Battalion XO who was a Major. A big flaw in the Red Army was that there was no professional NCO corps. Where we had SSGT thru SGTMAJ, the Soviets may promote a conscript to SGT but his obligation was still the original 2 years. While there were some senior NCO’s, most were drunks just waiting for a pension. Personal initiative was not allowed. In the U.S. military a PVT with a radio could request arty or air support if the situation dictates. In the USSR a major or higher was required to request support fire. So it may take several hours for the request to funnel its way to be approved. You saw this in Afghanistan when under fire and their officer is killed they huddled in groups not knowing what to do. Very sad but that is life in a communist country
@@Doc_EganI don’t think a lack of NCOs is really the problem here. If they had air superiority, communications, logistics, something even resembling combined arms we wouldn’t be talking about NCOs.
Lol. What does the bureaucracy inherent in any state have to do with communist ideology? On the contrary, communism presupposes the destruction of all states - therefore, the existence of such an ineffective bureaucracy in the USSR means the insufficiency of communist ideology.
Well shit! Did no one in the DOD ever see this? It looks like a replay of the last 20 years we were in Afghanistan. All you have to do is swap out the names of the players and this could be about Operation Enduring Freedom.
Not even close. The US fought a very very different and largely successful war in and among Afghan population and won over large populations of the Afghansitan. Unfortunately, we lost the political will to keep up the waste for a people that large did not want to be free
@brucemcdonald6677 We did fight it differently, and we focused on helping the people of Afghanistan. That is one of many reasons why we did not take as many casualties as the Russians(in my opinion, they didn't all hate us). We did not indiscriminately kill Afghanistans like the Russians. When I was in Afghanistan, it sure felt like we had won a lot of them over and had made a big difference there. At the end of the day, though, we lost the political will to fight. People in general don't understand that if you invade some place, you should plan to be there in some capacity for 60-70 years to ensure stability. We could have done that with a small force remaining in place. Unfortunately we ultimately fell victim to a lack of political will and the same patterns that were shown in the video. There were still going back and forth between Afghanistan and Pakistan all the time. A great saying is that we fought 20 one year wars in Afghanistan and we won 19 of them.
Watching this in 2024, history has spoken since this was made. Amazing how times have changed. Presidents killed, lies told. America did more to destabilise than any so called dictators, USSR has fallen and risen again.Afghanistan still fighting for survival,a pawn in the battle of empires.
Bad installation job Biden's disgraceful cut and stumble out of Afghanistan, leaving casualties, Bagram Airbase, billions in military equipment, and US Civilians behind
A supplementary comment about the Kabul hospital treating those who lost their limbs (about 6 minutes in). It was and still is run by Dr Alberto Cairo for the Red Cross, who has been there since 1990 - not affected by either of the two terms of the Taliban. He treats everyone, irrespective of background. More here - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Cairo_(physiotherapist)
Another truthful introduction documentary about early political, military, and Islamic militia circumstances in Afghanistan 🇦🇫 when Soviet invaded Afghanistan 🇦🇫 and trapped into CIA trapped.. Thank you 🙏( Mike Guardia) channel for sharing
" and trapped into CIA trapped " you f#cking dog the Americans where helping you expel the Russians, but instead of gratitude or a simple thankyou > 9/11 /2001 ! THOUGH SHALT NOT CAST YOUR PEARLS AMONG SWINE LEST THEY TURN UPON YOU, RIP AND TEAR YOU !
when journalism was about facts and reality, not feelings and sensitivity. when journalism presented a history of the events not just a discrete item suspended in vaccuum. when media did not care about making viewers feel good or bad, but make them informed so they can shape public policy in a wise manner.
Part of that is because this is a PBS program. Just in case you are un-familiar with it, it stands for Public Broadcast Service and has always been like this. Mainstream media even then was biased.
I spent a lot of time over there working as an “Advisor” and can tell you nothing will ever change. Tribal politics. They’ll drink tea with you one day and and shoot in the back an hour later. Worked all the hardships locs and this is just marginally a step from Somalia…
If you haven't already, checkout a movie called The Beast (1988). It's about a Russian deserter who was part of a tank crew, fights with the Afghans against his former comrades.
Самое сложное, это наступление. Когда человек сидит в засаде, у него всегда есть право первого выстрела. И нет, дело не в том что маджахелы такие крутые. Можете сравнить с Въетнамом. А насколько были бы круты маджахеды, которые решили вторгнуться в Россию. Их бы просто вынесли как щенков, и далеко бы они не зашли. Не говоря ещё о попытке удерживании занятой позиции. Это всегда превзято, что обороняющиеся круты. Для результативного наступления, по идее должно быть солдат больше в три раза. Даже если взять ту де Украину. В обороне у них больше людей. Только за счет технологического преимущества, Россия захватила территоррии, и удерживает их.
@@bestmoment102 Кек. Советские войска были официально приглашены. Это во-первых. "...принято окончательное решение ввести советские войска в Афганистан, опираясь на статью 4 советско-афганского Договора о дружбе, добрососедстве и сотрудничестве от 5 декабря 1978 года, статью 51 Устава ООН и неоднократные просьбы правительства ДРА об оказании военной помощи." Во-вторых, Красная Армия неоднократно ходила в походы в Афганистан. Первые из них осуществлялись ещё под руководством товарища М. Фрунзе. В-третьих, всеобще известно, что Советский Союз проводит политику на основе коммунистической идеологии. Поддержать прогрессивные революционные силы в Афганистане, которые к примеру были за равноправие мужчин и женщин в стране - было святым делом. В-четвёртых, никакой "войны" и не было. Это как сейчас некоторые, кто законы не умеет читать, называют зачем-то СВО "войной". Это могут быть разве что какие-то субъективные личностные ощущения, мнения, но эти люди настоящих войн сами не видели; либо же жертвы иностранной вредительской пропаганды, никакого отношения к законности не имеющей. Компетентные люди никогда это "войной" не называли и не назовут.
WOW! OMG! Back in the Golden Age of Frontline. The days of Objective, fact based journalism. I MISS it so much, Before it became Democrat party State Television In the mold of the Soviet Union Pravda Propaganda. Thank you so much for uploading
Politics are infinite while the military, in any of its many forms, is expressly finite! The press is not a learning organization historians and people with genuine interest in the world's problems would do well to remember that. The dramatic, Walter Cronkite-style grandiose allusions at the beginning of this show play to this lack of learning, I'm not entirely convinced that the USSR "lost" Afghanistan any more than Russia has "lost" in any of its other incursions from Georgia to the Ukraine and every country in between. The USSR/Russia have not "lost" if for no other reason than any other potential "winner" has not defined what that "winning end-state" actually is. Wishing for things to return to "the status-quo" pre-invasion is the gold standard for Wishful, Wistful Thinking. The press, and many others besides, gleefully forgets that it was Ho Chi Minh who "won" in Vietnam (not the "Viet Minh or Viet Cong"). Most allusions the press makes, from the time of this program to now, between the two conflicts are ahistorical at best and more likely than not flagrantly wrong. The polyphonic nature of the American political electorate makes the agreement upon potentially decisive end-states fully endorsed by all relevant levels and branches of the government all but impossible. So, what if America worked with the Mujahedeen in the 80s? That fact does not prove whatever cynical, ahistorical, anti-government, anti-soldier argument either your "studies" professor from higher education or your Streaming Services Talk Show Host has taught you to make.
Afghanistan was hell on earth for the Soviet Union it was their Vietnam they lost a lot of men especially military equipment war planes it's lasted for ten years with the fall communism
With India as a Soviet client state and enemy of Pakistan, I wonder if the USSR could have convinced India to invade from the south and the Soviets from the north? India was somewhat successful in a 1971 war which took East Pakistan away and created Bangladesh. Having been born in 1957, I cannot say how many times maps and globes had to be tossed because of changing borders.
Well as an indian i have myself thought it over. Let me say it was less than probable. Look at it this way , we invade pakistan, proper . Why should usa not intervene? That is one point also, you must consider the size of west Pakistan or just pakistan. I have seen at the maps of border , its a nightmare of canals, it will stop any invading army. Except Sindh province as it is a desert. And don't forget china . Nixon tried hard to chicoms to invade india across Himalayas, that's why we did what we did in month of December, when all mountain passes are closed in India's east that is Tibet and Himalayas. Wars dont happen in Himalayas in winter. Also do understand that your calling india an " soviet client state " is very misleading. Soviets never had a base here , pakistan has had american bases as it suited them. India categorically rejected Soviet military presence here ( due to non aligned movement) also we had trade relations with Europe and North America even during cold war. It was not like North Korea . Infact Soviets diassuded india to keep it's military operations in east Pakistan and not even attempt to land grab west , which we would not have done . Our grouse is over Kashmir and no other territory of pakistan. As for Bangladesh war , put india instead of Pakistan, put east Pakistanis refugees instead of Afghans and you will see why did what we did. It was refugee crisis larger than this one.
I don't think India is interested in Afghanistan ... Kashmir sure, the mountains and glaciers supplying its major rivers with water, sure ... what I don't understand is why they did not take a small part of Bangladesh in 1971. The Siliguri corridor could have been widened.
АДСКАЯ АФГАНИСТАН ЙПА!!!!!!!!!! МЫ ДРАЖНО СРАЖАЛИСЬ ЗА ЕГО ЖИЗНЬУНИЧТОЖЕНИЕ ЛЮДЕЙ - ЭТО ЧАСТЬ БОЯ, НИКОГДА НЕ ЗАБЫВАЙТЕ ПОТЕРЯННЫХ ТОВАРИЩЕЙ, НИКОГДА НЕ ЗАБЫВАЙТЕ НАШИХ CCCP!!!!!
Strategic blunder by the Soviets invading Afganistan it was more rational to try subgiigating Pakistan's couterie before disseminating it;s influence in this atypical country across the border.
It's fascinating how Afghanistan was conquered by the British, the Russians and the Americans - yet nobody was able to fully pacify the country (which in itself is not a country, but a conglomeration of multiple ethnicities)
I have to admit, President Zia seemed to understand what a fractious country his was and the only thing holding it together was an iron fist. We never seem to learn involvement is a hopeless cause with largely tribal people that could care less about 'democracy'. It just doesn't work with people used to living under zealot religious rule.
Afghanistan defeated the British Empire at their height. Defeated the USSR. Then George Bush Jr came along and was like "We can do it. The US military is built for guerrilla warfare". At least the USSR was smart enough to pull out after 8 years.
US had total control over Pakistani reaponse in Afghanistan during the USSR invasion and during its own invasion. The aim then was an Islamist regime in the service of Pakistan controlling Afghanistan. That goal was finally achieved jn 2021.
Don't forget to mention the16000 british people soldiers and civilians who were killed by the Afghans in the late 1800's, the Afghans hunted them from Kabul to the Khyber pass killed all but a handful
In three Anglo Afghan war in the close of the 18th century A British writer wrote about the Afghan warriors; Where can you find a Jihadist fighters that when he aims at the muzzle of his gun he saw heaven opening in front of him! K
This is hilarious, listening to this American reporter praising the laws of radical Islam, when, for 20 years, we would try to eliminate those very same laws
Its a shame that its gone back to where it was. Girls cant go to school and so forth. The brittish goverment is sponsoring afghan school girls to go to rwanda for schooling
Communism was the bigger threat. As soon as that disappeared, Islam rose to be the most disruptive power. Now Russian imperialism is back and has pushed Islamism away from being enemy number one. It may return, but as for now they lost their mojo and are on the defensive.
Tells you how the 'truths' change with time...
@@straywolf77 "truths" are whatever pays most and serves Israel
Doesn't seem like they're praising them to me. Just seems like they're telling us how it is with no value judgement
The best part of this is how it feels like I’m watching it on a VHS machine…
I thought I was alone on that. Brings back memories of vhs days.
Yeeeesss
VHS machine lol. Cute
Haha, I still have on. You absolutely right 😂😂😂
@@johnanita9251 I still use mine. 1980 here born lol
The quote from Kipling at the end of the documentary was interesting, some Soviet soldiers used to always keep a couple of grenades ready in case capture was imminent. No one ever wanted to be captured by those people.
He said they don’t take prisoners, so there ya go.
@@kwhp1507 First of all the commentator did not say they did not take prisoners, he said "They do not like taking Prisoners." Those that were taken alive were usually tortured to death, the whole point of my comment. There were a number of cases of ransom and defection as well, but this was the exception not the rule. So there YOU go mate, the quicker the better.
Modern day ruzzian invaders in Ukraine still carry those grenades close to their chest under their body armour for exactly the same reason.
Russians in Afghanistan were fighting with one hand tight behind their backs.
Firstly, there was someone very generous who would give Taliban MANPADs, a bunch of land mines, millions of small arms with ammunition and facilitated the recruitment, arrival and training of hundreds of thousands of volunteers from all over the Middle East (that was how Bin Laden got there). Also, the insurgents had safe haven in Pakistan where Soviet troops, Air Force or Artillery under no circumstances were not allowed to fire at. Imagine if the US troops in Afghanistan were under the same constraints?
US still lost with free hands
Neither the US or Soviet invasions were prosecuted with the purpose of total victory. Both were done at the behest of banking/corporate interests. Politicians are proxies for banking/corporate interests, when you understand this, offensive wars makes much more sense. Right now Russia vs Ukraine is a proxy war where real people's sons die for profit in moscow, london, nyc, etc.. At least in the old days kings used to fight and die in the battles, this is no longer the case.
Well, to be fair, the Americans WERE under almost the exact same circumstances in Vietnam.
The blonde news reel lady at the start has that 80's good looks and style which for me will never go out of fashion
But too bad she turned into a liberal hag who would not go away .
Judy Woodruff
The preeminent book on Soviet - Afghan War is : “The Soviet - Afghan War , How A Superpower Fought and Lost “ , The Russian General Staff . University Press of Kansas , translated and edited by Lester W. Grau and Michael A. Gress, Forward by Theodore C. Mataxis . This is a must read for any enthusiast or historian interested in this war.
Thanks, this is one of my interests in cold war study.
Behind Russian Lines An Afghan Journal by Sandy Gall, London.
I will definitely pick this one up , much appreciated.
In Toronto I spoke with a Soviet-Afghan war veteran who now managed an apartment complex where Afghan-Mujahideen also lived and rented from…
We’re in Toronto? Brampton ? Durham ??
@@bookreaderson where,,, Cabbagetown, Church n Wellesley area of Toronto.
@@martinbrousseau2560 *GO LEAFS!*
Это перебежчик который предал Родину
How hypocritical, they fight foreigners in their country just to become a foreigner themselves
I was a British soldier I served out there from 2009 to 2010. We pretty much did the same thing as the Soviets
Genocide?
@@fistingendakenny8781 I wish
Нашу советскую армию вывели аккуратно.Мы не бежали,как американцы.
Выводом послужило предательство Горбачева.только этот человек причастен в выводе со своей демократией.
ДА ЗДРАВСТВУЕТ НАША РОДИНА СССР
@@user-wf5gm8ld8w Yes the soviet army did have a better withdrawal than the Americans. They only had to cross a border. Donald Trump had a plan to withdraw from Afghanistan and then Joe Biden who replaced him to only screw things up. I personally blame the American Generals who should have known better.
You know the US seems to be taking on the characteristics of the CCCP like how they lie to the people with propaganda few people believe or pretend to believe.
America is a deeply corrupt country and Europe are little different.
I don't understand why these elites are not content with Russians existing in the world. Bare in mind these Ukrainians are not fighting for their independence they are fighting for American corporations such as Black Rock and Monsanto to come and exploit them. I believe they will come to regret their partnership with the West.
Just remember I do not believe in the Western propaganda. I am still waiting for a reason why Russians are my enemy and not our elites who are doing the damage. I am not the enemy of any Russian.
What other genocides?? The Soviets, unlike you, did not bomb the cities en masse!
They were fighting real radicals, which was raging at that moment! The Afghans themselves called them!
Remember me, what happened on September 11, 2001?
Having served in the U.S. Marine Corps during the Cold War I spoke with our Battalion XO who was a Major. A big flaw in the Red Army was that there was no professional NCO corps. Where we had SSGT thru SGTMAJ, the Soviets may promote a conscript to SGT but his obligation was still the original 2 years. While there were some senior NCO’s, most were drunks just waiting for a pension. Personal initiative was not allowed. In the U.S. military a PVT with a radio could request arty or air support if the situation dictates. In the USSR a major or higher was required to request support fire. So it may take several hours for the request to funnel its way to be approved. You saw this in Afghanistan when under fire and their officer is killed they huddled in groups not knowing what to do. Very sad but that is life in a communist country
We have seen the same thing in Ukraine. A lack of an NCO Corps is what really hinders the Russians, thank God.
Semper Fi
@@Doc_EganI don’t think a lack of NCOs is really the problem here. If they had air superiority, communications, logistics, something even resembling combined arms we wouldn’t be talking about NCOs.
@artt8381 I would say it is one of their many problems along with the ones you listed. I would add bad maintenance, bad logistics, and corruption too.
Lol. What does the bureaucracy inherent in any state have to do with communist ideology? On the contrary, communism presupposes the destruction of all states - therefore, the existence of such an ineffective bureaucracy in the USSR means the insufficiency of communist ideology.
I love the part when he say "most of them (casualties) were civilian" and show entire village of armed people.
Civilians have a right to defend their homes 😂
3 million civilians killed according to wikipedia. is that not "most of them" enough? Or are you saying all of those 3 millions are armed?
@@SnekNOTSnake both things.
Well shit! Did no one in the DOD ever see this? It looks like a replay of the last 20 years we were in Afghanistan. All you have to do is swap out the names of the players and this could be about Operation Enduring Freedom.
Afghanistan is death of empires for a reason. One thing that we learn from history is that we never learn from history.
Not even close. The US fought a very very different and largely successful war in and among Afghan population and won over large populations of the Afghansitan. Unfortunately, we lost the political will to keep up the waste for a people that large did not want to be free
@brucemcdonald6677 We did fight it differently, and we focused on helping the people of Afghanistan. That is one of many reasons why we did not take as many casualties as the Russians(in my opinion, they didn't all hate us). We did not indiscriminately kill Afghanistans like the Russians. When I was in Afghanistan, it sure felt like we had won a lot of them over and had made a big difference there. At the end of the day, though, we lost the political will to fight. People in general don't understand that if you invade some place, you should plan to be there in some capacity for 60-70 years to ensure stability. We could have done that with a small force remaining in place. Unfortunately we ultimately fell victim to a lack of political will and the same patterns that were shown in the video. There were still going back and forth between Afghanistan and Pakistan all the time. A great saying is that we fought 20 one year wars in Afghanistan and we won 19 of them.
some American agency knew, that's certain. Afghanistan doesn't even want to be a country as the west would understand it
Not quite , history shows a huge difference between the reasons for each war .
I remember watching this at the time. Pity Bush didn’t watch it too, things might’ve turned out very differently.
25:46 "A man with no hand is no man"-- George Costanza and whoever this guy is.
I think that was Mulla Hakka Durkadurka.
No it was Manay, Monay, Tippy Tippy Day Day@@chonqmonk
Holy Smokes, young Judy Woodruff!
Watching this in 2024, history has spoken since this was made. Amazing how times have changed. Presidents killed, lies told. America did more to destabilise than any so called dictators, USSR has fallen and risen again.Afghanistan still fighting for survival,a pawn in the battle of empires.
It’s rather ironic when US military suffered the same fate 3 decades later.
Pretty much by many of the same people they armed and trained and their descendants fighting against the Russians
It's Kind of a wierd feeling watching this whilst knowing what came after the soviets 😮💨
Bad installation job Biden's disgraceful cut and stumble out of Afghanistan, leaving casualties, Bagram Airbase, billions in military equipment, and US Civilians behind
And what came before it …
@@bookreaderson ...and what came before the dinosaurs.
@@bookreadersonseppo muricans😂
And what came after it. Watch video / the great game , Russia Britain Afghanistan. Lots came before it
A supplementary comment about the Kabul hospital treating those who lost their limbs (about 6 minutes in). It was and still is run by Dr Alberto Cairo for the Red Cross, who has been there since 1990 - not affected by either of the two terms of the Taliban. He treats everyone, irrespective of background. More here - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Cairo_(physiotherapist)
I remembered watching this when it first came out on our PBS station KIXE ch.9.
Another truthful introduction documentary about early political, military, and Islamic militia circumstances in Afghanistan 🇦🇫 when Soviet invaded Afghanistan 🇦🇫 and trapped into CIA trapped.. Thank you 🙏( Mike Guardia) channel for sharing
" and trapped into CIA trapped " you f#cking dog the Americans where helping you expel the Russians, but instead of gratitude or a simple thankyou > 9/11 /2001 ! THOUGH SHALT NOT CAST YOUR PEARLS AMONG SWINE LEST THEY TURN UPON YOU, RIP AND TEAR YOU !
And they all lived happily ever after .
The intro Yeah it feels like I'm a kid ... sitting with my uncle's and listening..it brought back the old days
PBS Frontline always makes the best documentaries.
History repeats itself, and some things never change
INSANE FOR BETTER MY MIND THAN MY HEALTHY BODY
Especially in Afghanistan
war.
war never changes......
If you change the names it could be about the last 20 years.
Your comment says more about your own lack of interest in history than it does about actual history.
superpowers never learn, especially from each other
3 rules of military strategy don't invade Afghanistan, don't invade Afghanistan don't invade Afghanistan.
Genghis Khan and the Mongols would like to have a word with you (their descendants are known today as the Hazara ethnic group in Afghanistan)
And don’t invade Russia
Interesting/informative/entertaining.
There is a lot of similarity’s between this and what happened in with the US in Afghanistan
Sherlock Holmes, is that you?
More documentary like this please ,i like old vibe documentary
Dear Lord, I had no idea Judy Woodruff was once young and hot. 😂
Nice lower lip .
when journalism was about facts and reality, not feelings and sensitivity. when journalism presented a history of the events not just a discrete item suspended in vaccuum. when media did not care about making viewers feel good or bad, but make them informed so they can shape public policy in a wise manner.
Part of that is because this is a PBS program. Just in case you are un-familiar with it, it stands for Public Broadcast Service and has always been like this. Mainstream media even then was biased.
Sadly PBS has become as biased as the mainstream media, maybe more.
@@kwhp1507PBS is now a Democrat party propaganda machine.👌
thanks
Yo the narrator at the beginning has been with Frontline since the dawn of time. Hes still narrating for them!
I spent a lot of time over there working as an “Advisor” and can tell you nothing will ever change. Tribal politics. They’ll drink tea with you one day and and shoot in the back an hour later. Worked all the hardships locs and this is just marginally a step from Somalia…
Self determination
This is great! Especially if you’ve seen Charlie Wilson’s War or read the book.
If you haven't already, checkout a movie called The Beast (1988).
It's about a Russian deserter who was part of a tank crew, fights with the Afghans against his former comrades.
" ...many all over the world stand with you." Boy, do we regret having done that.
40 years later and little has really changed just the names of those involved.... it has merely evolved.
Damn 1984 they just showed bodies on PBS like it was normal that's wild
Charlie Wilson's War is a good flick.
Самое сложное, это наступление. Когда человек сидит в засаде, у него всегда есть право первого выстрела. И нет, дело не в том что маджахелы такие крутые. Можете сравнить с Въетнамом. А насколько были бы круты маджахеды, которые решили вторгнуться в Россию. Их бы просто вынесли как щенков, и далеко бы они не зашли. Не говоря ещё о попытке удерживании занятой позиции. Это всегда превзято, что обороняющиеся круты. Для результативного наступления, по идее должно быть солдат больше в три раза. Даже если взять ту де Украину. В обороне у них больше людей. Только за счет технологического преимущества, Россия захватила территоррии, и удерживает их.
не хрен было лезть в чужой дом
@@bestmoment102 Кек. Советские войска были официально приглашены. Это во-первых.
"...принято окончательное решение ввести советские войска в Афганистан, опираясь на статью 4 советско-афганского Договора о дружбе, добрососедстве и сотрудничестве от 5 декабря 1978 года, статью 51 Устава ООН и неоднократные просьбы правительства ДРА об оказании военной помощи."
Во-вторых, Красная Армия неоднократно ходила в походы в Афганистан. Первые из них осуществлялись ещё под руководством товарища М. Фрунзе.
В-третьих, всеобще известно, что Советский Союз проводит политику на основе коммунистической идеологии. Поддержать прогрессивные революционные силы в Афганистане, которые к примеру были за равноправие мужчин и женщин в стране - было святым делом.
В-четвёртых, никакой "войны" и не было. Это как сейчас некоторые, кто законы не умеет читать, называют зачем-то СВО "войной". Это могут быть разве что какие-то субъективные личностные ощущения, мнения, но эти люди настоящих войн сами не видели; либо же жертвы иностранной вредительской пропаганды, никакого отношения к законности не имеющей. Компетентные люди никогда это "войной" не называли и не назовут.
The guy at 22:25 who walks out from the crowd looks just like Bin Laden and he would have been there at the time.
And the western armies headed on in and got the same result as the soviets ...DEFEAT
Now we all know what happened..& why
" cutting hands" you won't see thieves.
WOW! OMG!
Back in the Golden Age of Frontline. The days of Objective, fact based journalism.
I MISS it so much, Before it became Democrat party State Television
In the mold of the Soviet Union Pravda Propaganda. Thank you so much for uploading
The Durand line , afghan/pakistan border , had zero thoughts when drawing it up
It’s no good
@@bookreaderson had all thoughts
Mike Guardia FHD !!???
Politics are infinite while the military, in any of its many forms, is expressly finite! The press is not a learning organization historians and people with genuine interest in the world's problems would do well to remember that. The dramatic, Walter Cronkite-style grandiose allusions at the beginning of this show play to this lack of learning, I'm not entirely convinced that the USSR "lost" Afghanistan any more than Russia has "lost" in any of its other incursions from Georgia to the Ukraine and every country in between. The USSR/Russia have not "lost" if for no other reason than any other potential "winner" has not defined what that "winning end-state" actually is. Wishing for things to return to "the status-quo" pre-invasion is the gold standard for Wishful, Wistful Thinking.
The press, and many others besides, gleefully forgets that it was Ho Chi Minh who "won" in Vietnam (not the "Viet Minh or Viet Cong"). Most allusions the press makes, from the time of this program to now, between the two conflicts are ahistorical at best and more likely than not flagrantly wrong. The polyphonic nature of the American political electorate makes the agreement upon potentially decisive end-states fully endorsed by all relevant levels and branches of the government all but impossible.
So, what if America worked with the Mujahedeen in the 80s? That fact does not prove whatever cynical, ahistorical, anti-government, anti-soldier argument either your "studies" professor from higher education or your Streaming Services Talk Show Host has taught you to make.
The parallels between this and what is currently happening in Ukraine are vast
Afghanistan was hell on earth for the Soviet Union it was their Vietnam they lost a lot of men especially military equipment war planes it's lasted for ten years with the fall communism
With India as a Soviet client state and enemy of Pakistan, I wonder if the USSR could have convinced India to invade from the south and the Soviets from the north? India was somewhat successful in a 1971 war which took East Pakistan away and created Bangladesh. Having been born in 1957, I cannot say how many times maps and globes had to be tossed because of changing borders.
Well as an indian i have myself thought it over.
Let me say it was less than probable.
Look at it this way , we invade pakistan, proper .
Why should usa not intervene?
That is one point also, you must consider the size of west Pakistan or just pakistan.
I have seen at the maps of border , its a nightmare of canals, it will stop any invading army.
Except Sindh province as it is a desert.
And don't forget china .
Nixon tried hard to chicoms to invade india across Himalayas, that's why we did what we did in month of December, when all mountain passes are closed in India's east that is Tibet and Himalayas.
Wars dont happen in Himalayas in winter.
Also do understand that your calling india an " soviet client state " is very misleading.
Soviets never had a base here , pakistan has had american bases as it suited them.
India categorically rejected Soviet military presence here ( due to non aligned movement) also we had trade relations with Europe and North America even during cold war.
It was not like North Korea .
Infact Soviets diassuded india to keep it's military operations in east Pakistan and not even attempt to land grab west , which we would not have done .
Our grouse is over Kashmir and no other territory of pakistan.
As for Bangladesh war , put india instead of Pakistan, put east Pakistanis refugees instead of Afghans and you will see why did what we did.
It was refugee crisis larger than this one.
@@hellomoto2084 haha India... you guys bought 2000 crappy T90 Tanks from the Ruzzians and of course u where a soviet client influenced state, ouch.
I don't think India is interested in Afghanistan ... Kashmir sure, the mountains and glaciers supplying its major rivers with water, sure ... what I don't understand is why they did not take a small part of Bangladesh in 1971. The Siliguri corridor could have been widened.
DRESSED IN LAYERS
Wow judy was young
Have you ever seen the footage of that US Jumbo which fell to earth soon after take off?
How the world turns.
You can see not much has really changed.
I'm stoned!!! But i do I express total love for my people
True but also the us was kicked off by the Afghans…
АДСКАЯ АФГАНИСТАН ЙПА!!!!!!!!!! МЫ ДРАЖНО СРАЖАЛИСЬ ЗА ЕГО ЖИЗНЬУНИЧТОЖЕНИЕ ЛЮДЕЙ - ЭТО ЧАСТЬ БОЯ, НИКОГДА НЕ ЗАБЫВАЙТЕ ПОТЕРЯННЫХ ТОВАРИЩЕЙ, НИКОГДА НЕ ЗАБЫВАЙТЕ НАШИХ CCCP!!!!!
I'M COLD IN THIS GARAGE HOT PATCHING A TUBE
Sir Patrick Stewart, is it you? Engage!
Strategic blunder by the Soviets invading Afganistan it was more rational to try subgiigating Pakistan's couterie before disseminating it;s influence in this atypical country across the border.
28:50 - In other words, proxies
never trust PBS even these old ones
Never trust any media. Especially state controlled media unless your one of them....... @@ProgressiveGoldbug
There it is. The first fanatic to bring the T into a thread that has _nothing_ to do with him.
@@spikespa5208
Yup, they're a cult.
Two, actually.
It's fascinating how Afghanistan was conquered by the British, the Russians and the Americans - yet nobody was able to fully pacify the country (which in itself is not a country, but a conglomeration of multiple ethnicities)
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53:48 what's her name? 🥰
so we watched this, and did the same thing,
Judy Woodruff was a fox.
The video quality looks like how AI colorizes black and white.
I have to admit, President Zia seemed to understand what a fractious country his was and the only thing holding it together was an iron fist. We never seem to learn involvement is a hopeless cause with largely tribal people that could care less about 'democracy'. It just doesn't work with people used to living under zealot religious rule.
If we had just joined russia think of the countless middle easy problems we would have never had.
20:50 Dude sounds a bit salty
Three countries never to invade. Russia 🇷🇺 Vietnam 🇻🇳 and Afghanistan 🇦🇫
Complete pic from 1 sided firing
Isn’t it funny to see the Americans spouting propaganda for the Afghans. 20 years later we would spend over 20 years dying in the same location.
В самом начале ролики показана успешная засада явно не против 40-й армии. Разгромленная колонна не похожа на колонну советской армии.
Это афганская армия.
Até a imagem daqui aquele canal mundo militar pegou kkkkk kk . Pqp .
People use to look so unique to their country. Maybe it was regional haircuts 😂
I guess no one from the Pentagon watched this before saddling up for OIF/OEF, a.k.a. Round 2.
Afghanistan defeated the British Empire at their height. Defeated the USSR. Then George Bush Jr came along and was like "We can do it. The US military is built for guerrilla warfare".
At least the USSR was smart enough to pull out after 8 years.
Wouldn't say beat the British just one battle 3000 of them an mostly porters an woman and the army which was there had no weapons
50:59 - Jepers, where to begin....
Great afghan❤
And this is the place where, in the words of Tucker Carlson, we trued to turn it into Belgium
"Sikh GERNEL HARI SINGH NALWA"
Toma Ianques, essa obsessão de querer dominar o mundo: Apoiou o fundamentalismo Islâmico e depois foi vítima dele 😅
US had total control over Pakistani reaponse in Afghanistan during the USSR invasion and during its own invasion. The aim then was an Islamist regime in the service of Pakistan controlling Afghanistan. That goal was finally achieved jn 2021.
Don't forget to mention the16000 british people soldiers and civilians who were killed by the Afghans in the late 1800's, the Afghans hunted them from Kabul to the Khyber pass killed all but a handful
А все потому что, Англичане строили там конц-лагеря и убивали мирняк, вот и ответ последовал , глупенький ты
Ведь эта очередная колония капиталистов была по выкачиванию ресурсов
🌏Iraq remains a powerful force in the world
The Russian invaded the hole country in 1979 but could not control the country side especially the mountains where guerrilla warfare took place
In three Anglo Afghan war in the close of the 18th century A British writer wrote about the Afghan warriors; Where can you find a Jihadist fighters that when he aims at the muzzle of his gun he saw heaven opening in front of him! K
And who is now the occupier and murderer? The Soviets Didn't flee at night
USSR VS AFGHANISTAN
Zbigniew Brzezinski - красавчик! Просто показал духам пальчиком )) Нам это видео на политинформациях крутили.
Then what did we do? Fight a 20 year uselsss war there.
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Bring on *Rambo III*
На кадрах атака на афганскую армию. Погибшие афганцы а не русский.
In Soviet Russia insurgency drive you
2 million Afghani were killed from the Soviets...
Nothing beats Americans explaining things they don't understand.