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Your videos are SO informative and FULL of information. Unfortunately, it takes several attempts for me to get through one of them because of the monotone sound of your voice. Man, it sounds like you are just literatlly reading line by line, purposefully trying to insert zero emotion or interest into your own narration. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm seriously telling you how much I'd love to be able to watch your videos more, due to the amount of effort you obviously put into them... but just can not because of your voiceovers. Please consider working on this.
Same. I searched his name while watching this video cause I want to hear more about him, but there’s nothing to be found! He deserves so much more credit.
René Carmille should have a medal/award named for him that would go to someone who thwarts massive evil by ethical "hacking" or other ethical tech based sabotage.
Way back in 1989 when I was at Apple fresh out of college, I had the opportunity to attend the Educom convention in Ann Arbor, MI and there was a party at the Henry Ford Museum. The party had two memorable moments. First was meeting Steve Jobs, who was at NeXT at this point pitching NeXT Cubes for the education market. The second was finding the display of the original Hollerith machine from 1890. No one had noticed it among the many other artifacts but I had written about it for a high school paper in the early 80s. I brought friends over to see it saying "THAT machine is why we are all here. This was the first business computer."
@@allenanderson4911 according to his biographer, yes. The dr. who initially diagnosed him wept when he realized that the particular prostate cancer sj had was slow growing and highly treatable. He simply waited too long to have the surgery.
What René Carmille did was to say the least an act of bravery. He obviously knew what the outcome of his efforts would be for him personally but despite this he went on doing it until he was finally arrested and imprisoned. People like Carmille give me faith that there will always be some who will do what they have to because it is simply the right thing to do.
@@paul20g20 a man who believes corruption lies only in the party of his opposition is either a fool blinded by his own biases or intentionally sewing division for his own benefit. Do you get anything for mindlessly disparaging your own countryman? As much as neither party believes it there's likely similar levels of good intentioned, moral people in both parties. Who am I kidding though, you're probably a Sino-Russki bot given the randomness of bringing up US politics in unrelated discussions.
I'm going to guess reason IBM were never prosecuted is because like German rocket scientists they were extremely useful to the US entering the computer era.
I knew about IBM's involvement but never heard of this guy before. On a side note, instead of commissioning statues and monuments to honor this great hero, the French civil service decided to base their employee handbook on his pioneering practices 😁
I thought I had heard ALMOST everything about the Holocaust, but I had never heard of this man. Thank you so much - great video. Rest in Peace, Rene. You earned it.
René Carmille should have a medal/award named for him that would go to someone who thwarts massive evil by ethical "hacking" or other ethical tech based sabotage.
Mr. Carmille, you sir, are a hero. My love and respect to you for your brilliant work of saving human lives. A legend. It's a pity we never learned about you in history books.
IBM did a very good job of sweeping all this under a rug. I read a book about it years ago and when I tell people about it they just look at me like I'm crazy.
@Account NumberEight they gave the US exactly what they wanted in the end though. An excuse to enter the war. After all without the first literal strike coming from them the people's support was iffy. Nobody pays attention to trade, now or then.
It's something I've struggled with for years. My parents weren't aware of the history and my dad's still in denial about it. Finding out my entire life was only possible because of such an unconscionable company has been difficult.
@@DixonLu careful abt who you believe... just saying, if this is actually a real Facebook whistle blower, how come within 48 hours after she came out she was ALREADY BERATING CONGRESS with lamentable stories that will make censorship much more likely?
It's not up to individual companies to decide who they can sell to, that is the role of the government. The US government could have refused an export licence - they did not.
Simon Whistler, at this point I have no earthly idea how many of your videos I’ve watched by this juncture in my life. I can only imagine how many hours I’ve listened to you speak, covering a mind boggling variety of topics over a multitude of your channels. But I can honestly say that this was the most poignant, real, and relevant topic I’ve seen you cover so far. Bravo good sir. Keep up the good work.
The preface is heart-breaking. He describes the moment when he committed to embark on the research that eventually became the book: he visited a war museum exhibition on the holocaust with his parents, both Polish holocaust survivors who had met while narrowly escaping death at the hands of the Nazis. He stood with them before a hollerith machine in a display cabinet, its annotation noting its central role in the enactment of the final solution. Stamped clearly on its casing was the IBM company name. He promised them he would find out the story behind it. (I don't believe his parents lived to see the publication of the book.)
@@NeilCWCampbell Colonel Sanders was not a military Colonel. It's an honorary title bestowed by the Commonwealth of Kentucky. He did serve in the United States Army. If you are trying to imply that because he was old and Southern that he was a Colonel in the Confederate army, It's a fail. He was born a quarter century AFTER the Civil War.
@@NeilCWCampbellI'm sorry that I missed the joke. I'm a 59 year old who has seen 0 episodes of "Family Guy". I didn't mean to jump on ya! I should consider that some references are to pop culture. (I'm sure there has been some random quote that I might have used from a 1970s TV show that could was misinterpreted by a younger audience as well as I did yours) But, the Innerwebs being the Innerwebs...I'm SURE that someone out there REALLY thinks that Colonel Sanders WAS a Confederate soldier! I mean there are "Flat Earthers" all over the GLOBE! 👍😊👍
this was an extremely well researched video and as a Roma woman i would like to personally thank you for mentioning us. We are so often forgotten in discussions of Nazis and the holocaust. We still face a massive level of discrimination to this day and it's just nice to be recognized when the topic comes up.
@@mystikarain Yes why we do not like Americans screaming how they won WWII. Those who never had grandparents and many others who gave their lives for freedom remember the manufacturer plates on the vehicles used by the Nazi Warmachine to invade and kill. Ford Werke, GM Werke. While IBM did the registration US Kodak made use of the Jews as slavelabout to make America First their 'profits'. General Electric was worse. Can you imagine that company used Jewish slave labout to build the gaschambers? All the while the Made in US vehicles the Germans rode to war were fueled by US standard oil. With endless credit from Chase Bank ofcourse. And while the world suffered? All those German soldiers were drinking Fanta which was the cover up name for ... Coca Cola. While wearing the American Hugo Boss designed uniforms. Without the US there would never have been any WWII.
@@MrFlatage My grandfather fought in the war against the Nazis... AND he worked for Ford Motor Company for his entire career... from the Model T through to the Mustang. His only pause from Ford was during the war. I'm not sure if he ever knew just how problematic that whole picture was. I'm glad I didn't know the history myself until after his death... I never faced the situation of having to join those dots in a conversation with him.
@@MrFlatage Hugo Ferdinand Boss was apart of the German Nazi Party and Hugo Boss was a German Company at the time. The military vehicles and planes used by the Nazi's were Mercedes, Bosch and BMW. Oh and Nazi Germany get their petroleum from Romania and then later on used synthetic fuels from coal deposits. The British and American Air Forces bombed Germany's refineries which helped win the war. Stop spreading false information because you hate Americans.
@@tskraj3190 So you and I quote 'hate Americans'? Those are your words even though you use propaganda edit tactics like the facists did. Shame the video gives us the truth and fact. You are spreading the false information based on your hatred just like a Nazi here for all to see. Feel free to visit our museums and fact check what the manufacturer plates say on the German warmachines? Ford Werke? GM Werke? Yes you cannot edit those out can you. Nor can Chase Bank change those confiscated historical documents proving what they did. I love how you have no clue about factual history. July 26, 1947, President Truman approved the National Security Act of 1947. We can proof read that against your vile attempt at disinformation. Yes now everyone will read the same exact words with the Presidents signature and realize the U.S Airforce was founded ... after WWII. You do bare simularities with a German leader hiding in a bunker moving pieces around on a board that didn't exist. You guys related perhaps? 'American Air Forces'. Good one! No one who took the pledge will back you up on your BS.
I had worked for IBM years ago and if you were heard talking about this or the book "IBM and the Holocaust" by Edwin Black, you would be fired immediately.
I worked for them as a contract engineer back in the early 1980’s. Endicott. Ground zero. The culture was like a dysfunctional religion. I am not big rule follower. The locals called them zipperheads. Zip the head open, remove the brains, zip it closed. They actually sold zipperhead dolls in local shops. The beamers (IBM’rs) had advanced degrees and worked on tasks much lower than their capabilities. At least, that’s my general observation. I was very turned off by their culture.
@@Olkv3D I found that those who bought into the culture were very happy. They all tried to get their kids into IBM. They would have them hire into Florida and then try to transfer back. Little did they know the large scale layoffs that were to come within a decade. So much for those “Full Employment” signs that I saw everywhere.
As a teacher of the Holocaust to American high school students this is the most modern and current piece about this subject. I will show it to all my classes because it demonstrates how far one could reach to deny responsibility- to this very day. Very few logical people with morals based in the needs of society would argue against IBM's serious responsibility for slave labor, the murdering of millions of Jews specifically and other heinous acts associated with the Germans during WWII. I am grateful for this piece and the scholarship it provides. Never forget René Carmille!
The music you guys use is just quiet enough and just the right frequency to be barely noticeable and I can't stop thinking about it / trying to hear it.
Also, I think IBM would want to skip this lawsuit, due to the Streisand effect. They wouldn't wanna bring any extra attention to a video like this, which a lawsuit most definitely would.
Edwin Black's "IBM and the Holocaust" has been in print for 20 years now. IBM would be hard pressed to sue given the historical facts in question and has been pretty reluctant to do more then claim people are drawing the wrong conclusions from the facts.
Ford. Highly likely yet another Nazi Campaign supporter/Funder. Along with The Kennedy Family at the Time. As a large amount of American Corporations were founded via Germany Immigrates.
While landing on D-day German trucks where in the dunes near bunkers. Some soldiers mistakenly mentioned "Hey the Americans are already there." The German trucks where exactly the same as the American trucks and also the production lines where the same. Some of these production lines where bombed in the war and after the war Ford sued the Americans for the bombing of their factories in Germany and won. So after the war the Americans had to pay Ford for these bombings. Ford had truck factories in Nazi Germany, its all documented.
@@mphaan Toyota has plants in America. If the Japanese government bombed those factories, would the Toyota company not have grounds to sue, for loss of their property? Seems legit to me
I worked at IBM in Endicott, NY in the 1980’s. This was the heart of IBM when Armonk was the headquarters. The Watson family lived in Endicott. The culture of IBM was very cult like. The local radio station had a skit called “Meet the Beemers (IBMer’s), where they’d lampoon the culture and use the internal language of the company. The IBMers were the top of the heap in town. One of the local shops sold a doll called the zipperhead doll. The saying was that for IBMers, “Zip the head open, remove the brains and zip it closed.” I was on a 9 month contract and was glad to leave.
I feel like today I found out is for during the day like when you're probably around normal people and brain blaze if for when the sun goes down cause everyone knows that's when things get weird but I'm definitely wrong cause it's a little hard to sleep with Simon screaming in my ear and Danny's scripts are too funny
Thank you for making THIS video! IBM's complicity with the Nazis ought to be common history, but apparently a lot of people are still woefully unaware.
Because you saw a UA-cam video with no references, you believe it? Having spoken to someone who worked in Germany on those machines, it didn't happen the way this video claims it did.
@@sidma5661 A lot of their hardware can be found in gaming consoles, and they do cloud computing and blockchain processes as well. But you can't just go out and buy an IBM desktop anymore, I don't think. But my comment was meant to be a joke, anyway.
@@writerpatrick Viewers can choose to use subtitles created by the content creator instead of the auto-generated ones, which is what I usually do to avoid this. I personally think cases like this are caused by laziness i.e. simply using the text provided by the auto-generated ones without any modification or correction.
@@RetroJack I have noticed that there are differences in subtitles. Some are a lot better, and even have additional content. But I don’t know how this happens! How do I choose content creator’s subtitles versus auto-generated?
@@imlistening1137 What I suggest you do is click on the settings cog at the bottom of the video. Where both "English" and "English (auto-generated)" shown, simply click on "English". From that point on, your browser should remember your choice. If it in some time in the future shows crappy auto-generated subtitles again, that just means that it wasn't given the choice and will default back to "English" on the next one. Tom Scott's videos often have good creator-made subtitles. Try making your choice on this one: ua-cam.com/video/A6F96xSoLPg/v-deo.html
Simon could just continue with the rest of the companies that worked with the Nazis and he should already know because he done the same thing on a business blaze episode.
I first learned about the 1890 census and the punch cards in James Burke’s miniseries “Connections”-highly recommended, even though it is 40 years old. As a genealogy buff, the loss of the 1890 census data is a real problem, that info would fill in loads of holes on my tree!
As an aside they also did the same thing in the US in aiding the organization, tabulation, and processing of American Germans and Japanese to be sent to the US's concentration camps
The us did not discriminate based on religion its perfectly fine to discriminate based on Country of origin when that country declares war on you. Come on totally different. And the US was not running mass extermination
@@AllMyHobbies Just stealing their property and putting them in camps where many died from disease from being in terrible living conditions. That was the Democrats' doing by the way. Dems kept the Army etc segregated, Republicans desegregated the armed forces when they got in office after the war. Dems fought school desegregation into the 1970s
@@phueal i think its perfectly fine maybe you don't but we all have our options. The japans rules dod not care about there citizens well fair if they did not want there people put in camps they would not of started the war
@@AllMyHobbies they weren't Japan's citizens, most of them were American, and they're not responsible for the actions of the Japanese government. What you're describing as "perfectly fine" is pure racism: rounding people up based on their ethnicity, rather than anything they've actually done.
Although... You comment got me curious, so I asked someone of an older generation and to my surprise they didn't know. So maybe it isn't that widely known🤷🏻♂️
It's the 4th Reich so. I can teach critical race theory if I wanted because of my freedom. Not in America. I could do a book essay on my book of choice. US bans books because they don't have the balls to publically burn them anymore. You should look up the U.S Naval Amphibious Base Coronado, located south of San Diego. They're still claiming the design was an 'accident'.
@@MrFlatage Meh, I've seen that layout in restaurant booths also. It's a natural outcome of four adjacent squares with one non-contiguous opening each. If you're looking for reasons to be annoyed, go look up what we actually did with the Butcher of Lyon.
@@someperson7 I only found out around 10-15 years ago from my uncle who worked as a civil servant in London. He knew all kinds of things about shady stuff🤔
@@12yearssober one example - my dad successfully sued IBM in the late 80s/early 90s for discrimination as a white middle aged male, which is definitely a wtf kinda thing. I'd have to speak w my dad before I say anything else, I don't know if his NDA expired yet
I'm an archivist and I found this fascinating! Archivists primarily work with information management systems. This account of early digital recordkeding was an eye-opener!
Definitely one of those stories that aren't found in High School history books (at least not in America) but should be there. Especially now that we're so reliant on digital technology for everyday activities. A technical variant of the phrase "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king." Something along the lines of, "In the land of closed-source machinery, the guy who knows how the system works has the final say."
Baguette man here just to say that passive resistance is well taught in the school cursus. My teacher used Carmille as an exemple to show us that every single sabotage was important in the great picture of the Resistance. And yes our social security is still base on his system : 1/2 (male female) 01-99 ("county" zip code) 1-12 (month) 1-31 (day).
It's a shame that the Resistance gets so little attention here in US school courses; it barely gets glossed over, yet was an absolutely crucial part of the war.
@@danielthompson6207 Well that's a shame, of course the resistance wasn't as "good" as the battle of Britain but still, we were there on the battlefield, we saved lives and our honour. I know about Germany of the UK for example in Europe, the resistance is taught well enough but it's the main focus of French, History, civics even English in school when we were 14. We can see it, feel it in every town ! I lived next to a woman that was passing message and intel from occupied to the free France, she did a lot, a lot of nasty thing to secure intel. Just this your neighbors, friends, we all have stories from this period. My great grandfather came to France in 1940 from Poland. A Catholic priest baptized the family because they were Jews. It's a delicate thing, source of shame because we lost the battle of France so fast, but yet De Gaulle is our "Hamilton or Washington" father of our free, proud and respected France (sorry for the long comment, so Manu things to say)
That's because this was in one the videos it's called "companies that worked with the Nazis". He talks about IBM and Hugo boss some others too but it's one favorite videos on that channel.
I knew that IBM created the punch card system they used to catalogue everyone, but I didn't realise how hands on they were especially when given a way out.
"When fascism comes to America, it will not be in brown and black shirts. It will not be with jack-boots. It will be Nike sneakers and Smiley shirts..." George Carlin
Today I found out about another hero, and corporate villain of WWII. Thank you! We all know of the Ford and GM factories, but IBM being more than complicit but active? Staggering!
This video has several errors in it. Watson was a business man, but he was also a patriot. IBM made M1 carbines, norden bombsights, and BARs for the US forces. Sold them to the government for only 1% and used that 1% to help families of workers who had gone to fight, but didn't come back.
I'm old enough that I remember my folks getting bills with IBM punch cards in them and the ubiquitous "Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate" on the envelopes.
Rene Carmille was a hero of the highest degree. He fought for no glory or personal gain, but for humanity itself. I only hope to live up to a fraction of this man's greatness
I thoroughly enjoy your videos. I think you should make one on how you gather your information and tell us more about yourself. You know, why should we believe you 😁
Hey, Simon, as far as this channel goes.... and computers that "changed the world", you should delve into the Commodore computer company, and how it's Commodore 64 really put computers into the home for the causal user, and their later acquisition of the Amiga computer helped revolutionize not only the home computer, but usage and innovation of computers overall.
...and how digital video production and FX was thrust into the future when they established their partnership with Newtek and introduced the video toaster and Lightwave 3d. Just got rid of my 64's and I already miss 'em.
@@remo1366 I know how you feel, man! While I still have all of my old Commodore computers, none of them are currently functional. Also, I have to ask you......... is "Remo" a reference to The Destroyer novel series?
Remember the All In The Family episode where the Social Security punched a hole in the wrong spot one this card which pronounced him dead. Ah, the days of punch cards. Hanging chad anyone?
@@KingJohnMichael how did Werner von braun become not only an American citizen but a hero after clearly being a nazi? Easy, the United states needed him, so all was forgotten/ forgiven!!
@@emr6153 Von Braun joined the party out of necessity. It was the only way to continue towards his goal of spaceflight. That was his singular life goal and it's unlikely he was a fervent anti-Semitic rank file file member of the party. He would have been killed if he tried to leave and towards the end of the war that's exactly what the Nazis tried to do. He chose to surrender to the U.S. and give his knowledge to them. At most he's guilty of self preservation. He could have resisted, but that would have put his life and dream at risk. Being too afraid to risk your own life to help others is in no way the same thing as condoning or participating in the abuse of said people.
I mean the US was sheltering and employing literal Nazi war criminals; as in torturers and mass murderers, including the torturer of Rene Carmille -Klaus Barbie.
Some not so fun extra facts. In Dachau, the prisoner number tattooed on the arm started off being the IBM punchcard number. It's great to see you covering this. The evidence from IBMs own documentation is damning. Another key point is that one of the triggers for Rene camilles' arrest was the speed it took for the Free french army to mobilise in nigeria - the nazis twigged onto the fact that the FFA must have had deep demographic information to mobilise that quickly - which pointed them directly to Rene. Also, around 1943 Albert Speer the nazi armaments minister raised concerns that without the continued support of an alien company (IBM Dehomag), their war machine would grind to a halt within months - because they were totally reliant on the hollerith machines for logistics, train timetables etc. Many concentration camps had a hollerith machine department and the machines were serviced by an IBM Dehomag employee each month. Oh, and guess what company provided free language interpretation services for the neuremburg trials? You guessed it - IBM. Was any american company mentioned? Nope. On the other hand japanese companies who made arms in WW2 for their country - like mitzubishi were severely punished. I think Mitzubishi were unable to use their logo again until the 1960s from memory.
IBM only leased the machines never sold them and this was considered wrong in 1917. Now completely normal in 2021 but these companies will never admit it.
TIFO's research is always so airtight. Good luck guys, I get the feeling they'll try to threaten you or even sue you, but you have facts on your side. Love you and Daven
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yeah my cousin was my boss
8:31 Where have I heard of something similar????
11:48 So is that not the same thought process for which cancel culture is being cried?
Brilliant episode. 👏
Your videos are SO informative and FULL of information. Unfortunately, it takes several attempts for me to get through one of them because of the monotone sound of your voice. Man, it sounds like you are just literatlly reading line by line, purposefully trying to insert zero emotion or interest into your own narration. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm seriously telling you how much I'd love to be able to watch your videos more, due to the amount of effort you obviously put into them... but just can not because of your voiceovers. Please consider working on this.
It's a terrible shame I'd never heard of René Carmille. Man was the absolute definition of hero.
He clearly stands with the likes of Oskar Schindler, and Dr. Hans Münch, as passive aggressive, resistance fighters
Same. I searched his name while watching this video cause I want to hear more about him, but there’s nothing to be found! He deserves so much more credit.
I probably wouldn’t be alive without him
we need a biographics video on him
René Carmille should have a medal/award named for him that would go to someone who thwarts massive evil by ethical "hacking" or other ethical tech based sabotage.
Way back in 1989 when I was at Apple fresh out of college, I had the opportunity to attend the Educom convention in Ann Arbor, MI and there was a party at the Henry Ford Museum. The party had two memorable moments. First was meeting Steve Jobs, who was at NeXT at this point pitching NeXT Cubes for the education market. The second was finding the display of the original Hollerith machine from 1890. No one had noticed it among the many other artifacts but I had written about it for a high school paper in the early 80s. I brought friends over to see it saying "THAT machine is why we are all here. This was the first business computer."
Hopefully it doesn't get lost.
I wonder if Mr. Jobs would have lived if he hadn't relyed on new age medicine so long.
@@allenanderson4911 What do you mean?
Edit: I think I get it now be "New Age" you're talking about all those homeopathy get well soon remedies
@@allenanderson4911 according to his biographer, yes. The dr. who initially diagnosed him wept when he realized that the particular prostate cancer sj had was slow growing and highly treatable. He simply waited too long to have the surgery.
Easy on the way back lol
What René Carmille did was to say the least an act of bravery. He obviously knew what the outcome of his efforts would be for him personally but despite this he went on doing it until he was finally arrested and imprisoned. People like Carmille give me faith that there will always be some who will do what they have to because it is simply the right thing to do.
Sadly none of those type of people were on the SEPTA train in Philly.
Taking down this cesspool of living human shit called the leftwing democrat should be a priority
@@paul20g20 a man who believes corruption lies only in the party of his opposition is either a fool blinded by his own biases or intentionally sewing division for his own benefit. Do you get anything for mindlessly disparaging your own countryman?
As much as neither party believes it there's likely similar levels of good intentioned, moral people in both parties.
Who am I kidding though, you're probably a Sino-Russki bot given the randomness of bringing up US politics in unrelated discussions.
@@paul20g20 Just Dont Tell Mom I'm in Chechnya
Its sad because 99% of the human race can't be trusted to do this
I'm going to guess reason IBM were never prosecuted is because like German rocket scientists they were extremely useful to the US entering the computer era.
Plus IBM was hardly the only company that worked with the Nazis.
Plus they provided equipment for the Nuremberg trials
Same as with unit 731 of the Imperial Japanese army
They also manufactured M1 Carbines.
@@nilus2k we didn't enter the war for quite a long time, until we did America's policy was to sell to both sides.
11:51 I love when something Simon reads is so outrageous that he actually starts paying attention to what the script says.
I knew about IBM's involvement but never heard of this guy before. On a side note, instead of commissioning statues and monuments to honor this great hero, the French civil service decided to base their employee handbook on his pioneering practices 😁
That's the highest honour a bureaucrat can receive 😁
A lesson for everyone. Not all heroes wear capes.
I'll raise a glass.
The ones for surreptitiously thwarting progress, you mean? 😆
I thought I had heard ALMOST everything about the Holocaust, but I had never heard of this man. Thank you so much - great video. Rest in Peace, Rene. You earned it.
The holocaust? Haa Haa Haa What was that? Were you there to witnes that ever existed?
Thank you for ending a video about monsters by mentioning the names and deeds of a few heroes.
That was a great pallet cleanser.
pallet = palate
Renne Carmile, what a hero and a total legend.
... and Thomas Watson????????
René Carmille deserves the Legion of Honor and one of those boulevards with fancy shops and cafes named in honor.
@@russellfitzpatrick503 Money-grubbing genocidaire and deserves a Damnatio Memoriae. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae
René Carmille should have a medal/award named for him that would go to someone who thwarts massive evil by ethical "hacking" or other ethical tech based sabotage.
That's an amazing idea. Why isn't this a thing yet?
If he'd done the same today he would have been declared a public enemy.
Long before Snowden there were great men, history like this needs to be celebrated not hidden lest in repeat itself
So, you're talking about Jan 6th insurgents who hate the American Constitution?
@@melangellatc1718 WTF? You're a 🤡
I am genuinely shocked to learn about IBM's involvement in the Holocaust. I am sorry never to have heard of Carmille before. Thank you, Simon.
Rene, you are one of the best humans ever made. Good work chap
Mr. Carmille, you sir, are a hero. My love and respect to you for your brilliant work of saving human lives. A legend. It's a pity we never learned about you in history books.
IBM did a very good job of sweeping all this under a rug. I read a book about it years ago and when I tell people about it they just look at me like I'm crazy.
... and flok still drive FORD and wear Hugo Boss ...., so why not use IBMs
Nobody should be surprised. America profited off both sides of the war until the Japanese decided it was a good idea to bomb Pearl Harbor.
@Account NumberEight they gave the US exactly what they wanted in the end though. An excuse to enter the war. After all without the first literal strike coming from them the people's support was iffy. Nobody pays attention to trade, now or then.
A very interesting and horrible history of IBM.
Every corporation that's existed that long has a horrible history. Corporations aren't people but if they were they'd all be sociopaths.
IBM is the one behind our current Covid passports. You figure out the next step planned.
Hmm I wonder why they sell under 'Lenovo'
It's something I've struggled with for years. My parents weren't aware of the history and my dad's still in denial about it. Finding out my entire life was only possible because of such an unconscionable company has been difficult.
Hrll. Just look at Hugo BOSS
as long as the checks don't bounce, IBM will do business...simple.
That sentence applies to another company that had a six hour outage the other day, according to one of their former data scientist.
Isn't that every corporation?
@@DixonLu careful abt who you believe... just saying, if this is actually a real Facebook whistle blower, how come within 48 hours after she came out she was ALREADY BERATING CONGRESS with lamentable stories that will make censorship much more likely?
Welcome to capitalism babe.
It's not up to individual companies to decide who they can sell to, that is the role of the government. The US government could have refused an export licence - they did not.
Simon Whistler, at this point I have no earthly idea how many of your videos I’ve watched by this juncture in my life. I can only imagine how many hours I’ve listened to you speak, covering a mind boggling variety of topics over a multitude of your channels. But I can honestly say that this was the most poignant, real, and relevant topic I’ve seen you cover so far. Bravo good sir. Keep up the good work.
If nobody has mentioned it, Edwin Black wrote an amazing book about this in exceptional detail
The preface is heart-breaking. He describes the moment when he committed to embark on the research that eventually became the book: he visited a war museum exhibition on the holocaust with his parents, both Polish holocaust survivors who had met while narrowly escaping death at the hands of the Nazis. He stood with them before a hollerith machine in a display cabinet, its annotation noting its central role in the enactment of the final solution. Stamped clearly on its casing was the IBM company name. He promised them he would find out the story behind it. (I don't believe his parents lived to see the publication of the book.)
That's where they got the video idea, duh.
Ah yes. The thing no 85 or more year old company wants asked: who did you make stuff for in the 30s and 40s
Volkswagen, Texaco (Chevron), Mitsubishi, IBM *fades into shrub*
It like realising which army that colonel Sanders served in and which courthouse they surrendered in ;)
@@NeilCWCampbell Colonel Sanders was not a military Colonel. It's an honorary title bestowed by the Commonwealth of Kentucky. He did serve in the United States Army. If you are trying to imply that because he was old and Southern that he was a Colonel in the Confederate army, It's a fail. He was born a quarter century AFTER the Civil War.
@@jamesslick4790 it a line from family guy ;)
But Ty for true facts they always handy :)
@@NeilCWCampbellI'm sorry that I missed the joke. I'm a 59 year old who has seen 0 episodes of "Family Guy". I didn't mean to jump on ya! I should consider that some references are to pop culture. (I'm sure there has been some random quote that I might have used from a 1970s TV show that could was misinterpreted by a younger audience as well as I did yours) But, the Innerwebs being the Innerwebs...I'm SURE that someone out there REALLY thinks that Colonel Sanders WAS a Confederate soldier! I mean there are "Flat Earthers" all over the GLOBE! 👍😊👍
this was an extremely well researched video and as a Roma woman i would like to personally thank you for mentioning us. We are so often forgotten in discussions of Nazis and the holocaust. We still face a massive level of discrimination to this day and it's just nice to be recognized when the topic comes up.
lol learn not to steal in Europe and you're all good
Yes, I read a book about it in 2001 called IBM and the Holocaust by Edwin Black
Excellent book
Opinions vary.
My God. I knew the Nazis used IBM punch card machines, but I never knew how directly involved IBM was.
Not to mention Ford!
@@mystikarain Yes why we do not like Americans screaming how they won WWII. Those who never had grandparents and many others who gave their lives for freedom remember the manufacturer plates on the vehicles used by the Nazi Warmachine to invade and kill. Ford Werke, GM Werke. While IBM did the registration US Kodak made use of the Jews as slavelabout to make America First their 'profits'. General Electric was worse. Can you imagine that company used Jewish slave labout to build the gaschambers? All the while the Made in US vehicles the Germans rode to war were fueled by US standard oil. With endless credit from Chase Bank ofcourse. And while the world suffered? All those German soldiers were drinking Fanta which was the cover up name for ... Coca Cola. While wearing the American Hugo Boss designed uniforms. Without the US there would never have been any WWII.
@@MrFlatage My grandfather fought in the war against the Nazis... AND he worked for Ford Motor Company for his entire career... from the Model T through to the Mustang. His only pause from Ford was during the war. I'm not sure if he ever knew just how problematic that whole picture was. I'm glad I didn't know the history myself until after his death... I never faced the situation of having to join those dots in a conversation with him.
@@MrFlatage Hugo Ferdinand Boss was apart of the German Nazi Party and Hugo Boss was a German Company at the time. The military vehicles and planes used by the Nazi's were Mercedes, Bosch and BMW. Oh and Nazi Germany get their petroleum from Romania and then later on used synthetic fuels from coal deposits. The British and American Air Forces bombed Germany's refineries which helped win the war. Stop spreading false information because you hate Americans.
@@tskraj3190 So you and I quote 'hate Americans'? Those are your words even though you use propaganda edit tactics like the facists did. Shame the video gives us the truth and fact. You are spreading the false information based on your hatred just like a Nazi here for all to see. Feel free to visit our museums and fact check what the manufacturer plates say on the German warmachines? Ford Werke? GM Werke? Yes you cannot edit those out can you. Nor can Chase Bank change those confiscated historical documents proving what they did. I love how you have no clue about factual history. July 26, 1947, President Truman approved the National Security Act of 1947. We can proof read that against your vile attempt at disinformation. Yes now everyone will read the same exact words with the Presidents signature and realize the U.S Airforce was founded ... after WWII. You do bare simularities with a German leader hiding in a bunker moving pieces around on a board that didn't exist. You guys related perhaps? 'American Air Forces'. Good one! No one who took the pledge will back you up on your BS.
I had worked for IBM years ago and if you were heard talking about this or the book "IBM and the Holocaust" by Edwin Black, you would be fired immediately.
Is that true or cobblers?
absolutely true
I worked for them as a contract engineer back in the early 1980’s. Endicott. Ground zero. The culture was like a dysfunctional religion. I am not big rule follower. The locals called them zipperheads. Zip the head open, remove the brains, zip it closed. They actually sold zipperhead dolls in local shops. The beamers (IBM’rs) had advanced degrees and worked on tasks much lower than their capabilities. At least, that’s my general observation. I was very turned off by their culture.
@@jamesdellaneve9005 I did my sentence from the late 90's to early 2000's - Poughkeepsie and East Fishkill.
It was not a pleasant experience.
@@Olkv3D I found that those who bought into the culture were very happy. They all tried to get their kids into IBM. They would have them hire into Florida and then try to transfer back. Little did they know the large scale layoffs that were to come within a decade. So much for those “Full Employment” signs that I saw everywhere.
As a teacher of the Holocaust to American high school students this is the most modern and current piece about this subject. I will show it to all my classes because it demonstrates how far one could reach to deny responsibility- to this very day. Very few logical people with morals based in the needs of society would argue against IBM's serious responsibility for slave labor, the murdering of millions of Jews specifically and other heinous acts associated with the Germans during WWII. I am grateful for this piece and the scholarship it provides. Never forget René Carmille!
The music you guys use is just quiet enough and just the right frequency to be barely noticeable and I can't stop thinking about it / trying to hear it.
That's your dull response to such an amazing story?
@@shakiMiki yes.
@@shakiMiki you can appreciate the story without commenting about it dude
music?
@@sophierobinson2738 yes. Just ever so slightly audible on the background.
Might get sued for this one Simon, didn’t seem like there was enough “allegedly”s
Statute of limitations. ;-)
It’s history can’t sue over what actually happened
Also, I think IBM would want to skip this lawsuit, due to the Streisand effect. They wouldn't wanna bring any extra attention to a video like this, which a lawsuit most definitely would.
Would be pretty dumb of them to bring this out into the spot light
Edwin Black's "IBM and the Holocaust" has been in print for 20 years now. IBM would be hard pressed to sue given the historical facts in question and has been pretty reluctant to do more then claim people are drawing the wrong conclusions from the facts.
thank you for this one never even heard a whisper of this
The older you get, the more you know, and the more sickened you are by humanity. Just giving you a heads up.
Only heard from a book, not amywhere else.
I need Simon to make a podcast cause I could literally listen to him ALL DAY
He has like four different podcasts. Most are defunct though.
I think Casual Criminalist is his latest one.
According to Edwin Black, the tattoo numbers were based on the punch cards.
They were.
Is this also the origin of barcode tattoos?
@@RansburgMakesArt I doubt it. But don’t know.
@@RansburgMakesArt Barcode tattos are either done for fun or as reference to the video game hitman.
...what a simple but mind blowing connection!
Now do one on Ford Motor Company.
It was not so much the company as Henry Ford himself
Ford. Highly likely yet another Nazi Campaign supporter/Funder. Along with The Kennedy Family at the Time. As a large amount of American Corporations were founded via Germany Immigrates.
While landing on D-day German trucks where in the dunes near bunkers. Some soldiers mistakenly mentioned "Hey the Americans are already there." The German trucks where exactly the same as the American trucks and also the production lines where the same. Some of these production lines where bombed in the war and after the war Ford sued the Americans for the bombing of their factories in Germany and won. So after the war the Americans had to pay Ford for these bombings. Ford had truck factories in Nazi Germany, its all documented.
lots of ford & gm motors in those panzers & staff cars
@@mphaan Toyota has plants in America. If the Japanese government bombed those factories, would the Toyota company not have grounds to sue, for loss of their property? Seems legit to me
Who would have thought massive corporations would be complacent with bad things for money! How surprising.
Check where the Nazis got their fashionable uniforms. Surely wont be companys that are currently seen as reputable.
I think you mean complicit. But maybe also complacent.
I worked at IBM in Endicott, NY in the 1980’s. This was the heart of IBM when Armonk was the headquarters. The Watson family lived in Endicott. The culture of IBM was very cult like. The local radio station had a skit called “Meet the Beemers (IBMer’s), where they’d lampoon the culture and use the internal language of the company. The IBMers were the top of the heap in town. One of the local shops sold a doll called the zipperhead doll. The saying was that for IBMers, “Zip the head open, remove the brains and zip it closed.” I was on a 9 month contract and was glad to leave.
Renee deserves a movie to tell his tale
"Carmille's List," the story of the intentionally useless census.
@@davidroddick91 With the right writing team, it could be awesome,
Fun fact! Arguably the first punch-card computers were actually textile weaving looms for complex fabrics like jacquard and brocade.
I’ve been on a Brain Blaze binge watch all morning and now it’s time to switch over to Today I Found Out! 😃
I feel like today I found out is for during the day like when you're probably around normal people and brain blaze if for when the sun goes down cause everyone knows that's when things get weird but I'm definitely wrong cause it's a little hard to sleep with Simon screaming in my ear and Danny's scripts are too funny
Legend. Allegedly. AM I RIGHT PETER?!?
Thank you for making THIS video! IBM's complicity with the Nazis ought to be common history, but apparently a lot of people are still woefully unaware.
Because you saw a UA-cam video with no references, you believe it? Having spoken to someone who worked in Germany on those machines, it didn't happen the way this video claims it did.
@@prisonguardgus Not just "this video", but plenty of historical sources.
It does have sources linked if you check the description…
"Ugh, that's terrible! I'm never buying anything from IBM again!" *sips a Coke, gets in a Ford to drive to work*
-some of you, probably
Do IBM even sell consumer level stuff anymore?
@@sidma5661 A lot of their hardware can be found in gaming consoles, and they do cloud computing and blockchain processes as well. But you can't just go out and buy an IBM desktop anymore, I don't think. But my comment was meant to be a joke, anyway.
Lenovo bought IBM’s PC division in 2005.
I mean it's a fair point lol, but I drive a Toyota
Anyone with a B of A, Chase, Wells Fargo, Citi bank account too.
YES SIMON!!!! Ive been telling this story for years, my father worked for IBM!
Simon, while as a hearing-impaired person I appreciate your inclusion of subtitles, have you ever tried reading them?
I think they're auto-generated by YT. I've seen many mistakes in subtitles.
@@writerpatrick Viewers can choose to use subtitles created by the content creator instead of the auto-generated ones, which is what I usually do to avoid this. I personally think cases like this are caused by laziness i.e. simply using the text provided by the auto-generated ones without any modification or correction.
@@RetroJack I have noticed that there are differences in subtitles. Some are a lot better, and even have additional content. But I don’t know how this happens! How do I choose content creator’s subtitles versus auto-generated?
@@imlistening1137 What I suggest you do is click on the settings cog at the bottom of the video. Where both "English" and "English (auto-generated)" shown, simply click on "English". From that point on, your browser should remember your choice. If it in some time in the future shows crappy auto-generated subtitles again, that just means that it wasn't given the choice and will default back to "English" on the next one. Tom Scott's videos often have good creator-made subtitles. Try making your choice on this one: ua-cam.com/video/A6F96xSoLPg/v-deo.html
@@RetroJack Thank you very much! I never figured out the difference between them!
a very "into the shadows" "today Ifound out". Outstanding!
Fascinating. Almost all of this was new to me. Many thanks.
Simon could just continue with the rest of the companies that worked with the Nazis and he should already know because he done the same thing on a business blaze episode.
I got Magellan recently and It's awesome. TV is generally crap but It actually gives me something to watch for a change. Thanks Simon.
I first learned about the 1890 census and the punch cards in James Burke’s miniseries “Connections”-highly recommended, even though it is 40 years old. As a genealogy buff, the loss of the 1890 census data is a real problem, that info would fill in loads of holes on my tree!
Amazes me how many people have no idea about this
As an aside they also did the same thing in the US in aiding the organization, tabulation, and processing of American Germans and Japanese to be sent to the US's concentration camps
The us did not discriminate based on religion its perfectly fine to discriminate based on Country of origin when that country declares war on you. Come on totally different. And the US was not running mass extermination
@@AllMyHobbies Just stealing their property and putting them in camps where many died from disease from being in terrible living conditions. That was the Democrats' doing by the way. Dems kept the Army etc segregated, Republicans desegregated the armed forces when they got in office after the war. Dems fought school desegregation into the 1970s
@@AllMyHobbies yeah, that is not “perfectly fine”…
@@phueal i think its perfectly fine maybe you don't but we all have our options. The japans rules dod not care about there citizens well fair if they did not want there people put in camps they would not of started the war
@@AllMyHobbies they weren't Japan's citizens, most of them were American, and they're not responsible for the actions of the Japanese government. What you're describing as "perfectly fine" is pure racism: rounding people up based on their ethnicity, rather than anything they've actually done.
Excellent delivery of this information
I'm surprised the story of IBM isn't more widely known
Although... You comment got me curious, so I asked someone of an older generation and to my surprise they didn't know. So maybe it isn't that widely known🤷🏻♂️
Perhaps IBM, as one of America's biggest employeres, doesn't really want it known. Imagine how bad that would make it look
It's the 4th Reich so. I can teach critical race theory if I wanted because of my freedom. Not in America. I could do a book essay on my book of choice. US bans books because they don't have the balls to publically burn them anymore. You should look up the U.S Naval Amphibious Base Coronado, located south of San Diego. They're still claiming the design was an 'accident'.
@@MrFlatage Meh, I've seen that layout in restaurant booths also. It's a natural outcome of four adjacent squares with one non-contiguous opening each. If you're looking for reasons to be annoyed, go look up what we actually did with the Butcher of Lyon.
@@someperson7 I only found out around 10-15 years ago from my uncle who worked as a civil servant in London. He knew all kinds of things about shady stuff🤔
This is important information, thank you for sharing
I'm from an IBM family. My parents met working there. My dad retired from IBM as a Global Project Manager in 2012. I could tell you some crazy shit...
Do tell!!!
@@12yearssober thought you were dead? (Sorry. Couldn't help it😂)
@@12yearssober one example - my dad successfully sued IBM in the late 80s/early 90s for discrimination as a white middle aged male, which is definitely a wtf kinda thing. I'd have to speak w my dad before I say anything else, I don't know if his NDA expired yet
Do tell, but then under an alias. You could put your parents in serious trouble otherwise.
(He only sued to get his job back)
I'm an archivist and I found this fascinating! Archivists primarily work with information management systems. This account of early digital recordkeding was an eye-opener!
Definitely one of those stories that aren't found in High School history books (at least not in America) but should be there. Especially now that we're so reliant on digital technology for everyday activities.
A technical variant of the phrase "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king." Something along the lines of, "In the land of closed-source machinery, the guy who knows how the system works has the final say."
Thanks
Big businesses doing moral questionable things is ever green
It's so awesome to get an ad in the middle of the sponsor speech...
Baguette man here just to say that passive resistance is well taught in the school cursus. My teacher used Carmille as an exemple to show us that every single sabotage was important in the great picture of the Resistance. And yes our social security is still base on his system : 1/2 (male female) 01-99 ("county" zip code) 1-12 (month) 1-31 (day).
It's a shame that the Resistance gets so little attention here in US school courses; it barely gets glossed over, yet was an absolutely crucial part of the war.
@@danielthompson6207 Well that's a shame, of course the resistance wasn't as "good" as the battle of Britain but still, we were there on the battlefield, we saved lives and our honour. I know about Germany of the UK for example in Europe, the resistance is taught well enough but it's the main focus of French, History, civics even English in school when we were 14. We can see it, feel it in every town ! I lived next to a woman that was passing message and intel from occupied to the free France, she did a lot, a lot of nasty thing to secure intel. Just this your neighbors, friends, we all have stories from this period. My great grandfather came to France in 1940 from Poland. A Catholic priest baptized the family because they were Jews. It's a delicate thing, source of shame because we lost the battle of France so fast, but yet De Gaulle is our "Hamilton or Washington" father of our free, proud and respected France (sorry for the long comment, so Manu things to say)
Simon's color matching is ON POINT.
That was epic! Also something I was not aware of.
I remember the book
Would you guys consider making a video about the different resistance groups of the second world war? I'd watch the hell out of that!
In 2010 a 7-minute short was released about René Carmille, called Interregnum. Worth a watch.
The short film is on youtube ua-cam.com/video/tOEFO1kU8rY/v-deo.html
It's great to see this covered (I mean... terrible it happened), heard about it ages ago but no one ever seems to talk about it, lol.
This was like a episode of business/brain blaze. Seven and a half minutes of rambling before actually getting to the subject of the video. Love it.
That's because this was in one the videos it's called "companies that worked with the Nazis". He talks about IBM and Hugo boss some others too but it's one favorite videos on that channel.
A Mainlie iv full of content
This is why i love simon ;)
I knew that IBM created the punch card system they used to catalogue everyone, but I didn't realise how hands on they were especially when given a way out.
awesome video as always! Will you do a video about the ‘cipher key’? I had never heard of it and it sounds fascinating!
"When fascism comes to America, it will not be in brown and black shirts. It will not be with jack-boots. It will be Nike sneakers and Smiley shirts..."
George Carlin
Today I found out about another hero, and corporate villain of WWII. Thank you! We all know of the Ford and GM factories, but IBM being more than complicit but active? Staggering!
Never say "i have nothing to hide" when it comes to privacy or data collection.
Too right.
it'll only be weaponised against you the one out of 100 times you let them take it
Now.. there's a Hero. Thanks for finding this story.
Good video 👍
11:50 “IBM’s a bit of a piece of sh#@ isn’t it? Oh my God.” Truer words have never been spoken... The OG of the ruthlessness that is big tech
The Berlin Olympics would make an interesting Megaproject.
Wow you guys are very brave for making this
Never had an opinion on IBM before, but now have a sizable level of distain for the company.
This video has several errors in it. Watson was a business man, but he was also a patriot. IBM made M1 carbines, norden bombsights, and BARs for the US forces. Sold them to the government for only 1% and used that 1% to help families of workers who had gone to fight, but didn't come back.
Just seen an ad for the ibm health pass. 😟
also playing Castle Wolfenstein on IBM computers brutally annihilating all the Nazis like a boss.
I'm old enough that I remember my folks getting bills with IBM punch cards in them and the ubiquitous "Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate" on the envelopes.
Supposedly Thomas Watson returned the medal he received and positioned himself firmly against the beast he created.
Not sure that's good enough.
Allegedly
By then he'd made well enough to let his conscience guide him
Would you have rather he'd done nothing at all?
There is a book tittled "IBM and the Holocaust" by Edwin Black published in 2001
Rene Carmille was a hero of the highest degree. He fought for no glory or personal gain, but for humanity itself. I only hope to live up to a fraction of this man's greatness
I thoroughly enjoy your videos. I think you should make one on how you gather your information and tell us more about yourself. You know, why should we believe you 😁
There's no statute of limitations on war criminals. But in 70 years it's not even the same company. I'm super conflicted.
I know it's happened before but it's funny when Simon let's out a little brain blaze energy when he reads something crazy
"IBM's a bit of a piece of S*** isn't it"
I love this channel
What simply isn't talked about enough is how weaving led to modern computers.
Punchcards in weaving machines, right?
Carmille: The Assange/Snowden/Binney/McGovern/Kiriakou/Manning of his time. Never forget.
Me a current IBM employee: Do I work for an evil organization?
Hey, Simon, as far as this channel goes.... and computers that "changed the world", you should delve into the Commodore computer company, and how it's Commodore 64 really put computers into the home for the causal user, and their later acquisition of the Amiga computer helped revolutionize not only the home computer, but usage and innovation of computers overall.
...and how digital video production and FX was thrust into the future when they established their partnership with Newtek and introduced the video toaster and Lightwave 3d. Just got rid of my 64's and I already miss 'em.
@@remo1366 I know how you feel, man! While I still have all of my old Commodore computers, none of them are currently functional.
Also, I have to ask you......... is "Remo" a reference to The Destroyer novel series?
I believe the punch card method worked wonderfully in Florida in 2000...
Remember the All In The Family episode where the Social Security punched a hole in the wrong spot one this card which pronounced him dead. Ah, the days of punch cards. Hanging chad anyone?
This was an incredible video!
Should have just tried the CEO of IBM for warcrimes lol.
Technically he contributed to war crimes
How he and IBM didn't got thrown in court is baffling to me
@@KingJohnMichael Money buys a lot of things. Politicians, judges, media silence and edited histories.
@@KingJohnMichael how did Werner von braun become not only an American citizen but a hero after clearly being a nazi? Easy, the United states needed him, so all was forgotten/ forgiven!!
@@emr6153 Von Braun joined the party out of necessity. It was the only way to continue towards his goal of spaceflight. That was his singular life goal and it's unlikely he was a fervent anti-Semitic rank file file member of the party.
He would have been killed if he tried to leave and towards the end of the war that's exactly what the Nazis tried to do. He chose to surrender to the U.S. and give his knowledge to them.
At most he's guilty of self preservation. He could have resisted, but that would have put his life and dream at risk. Being too afraid to risk your own life to help others is in no way the same thing as condoning or participating in the abuse of said people.
I mean the US was sheltering and employing literal Nazi war criminals; as in torturers and mass murderers, including the torturer of Rene Carmille -Klaus Barbie.
Some not so fun extra facts. In Dachau, the prisoner number tattooed on the arm started off being the IBM punchcard number. It's great to see you covering this. The evidence from IBMs own documentation is damning. Another key point is that one of the triggers for Rene camilles' arrest was the speed it took for the Free french army to mobilise in nigeria - the nazis twigged onto the fact that the FFA must have had deep demographic information to mobilise that quickly - which pointed them directly to Rene. Also, around 1943 Albert Speer the nazi armaments minister raised concerns that without the continued support of an alien company (IBM Dehomag), their war machine would grind to a halt within months - because they were totally reliant on the hollerith machines for logistics, train timetables etc. Many concentration camps had a hollerith machine department and the machines were serviced by an IBM Dehomag employee each month. Oh, and guess what company provided free language interpretation services for the neuremburg trials? You guessed it - IBM. Was any american company mentioned? Nope. On the other hand japanese companies who made arms in WW2 for their country - like mitzubishi were severely punished. I think Mitzubishi were unable to use their logo again until the 1960s from memory.
So when Alex Jones said on Timcast that “Thomas Watson gave birth to Hitler” he wasn’t wrong?
When has Alex Jones ever been wrong?
@@elisabethandersen1102 lizard people?
@@nosuchthing8 yeah okay, I'll give you that. He's right about geopolitical stuff though!
Wow, my IBM comments have been censored for as long as I can think and you get to make a whole video on it? Congrats, you beat the algorithm!
IBM only leased the machines never sold them and this was considered wrong in 1917. Now completely normal in 2021 but these companies will never admit it.
This absolutely hits as a great vid on every level.
TIFO's research is always so airtight. Good luck guys, I get the feeling they'll try to threaten you or even sue you, but you have facts on your side. Love you and Daven
Simon you are our Magellan