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Like to see what happens over the next 2yrs.... With HD now allowing the customer to purchase direct from the manufacturer & cutting out the dealerships ❗going to be sad times ahead for the US dealers🤔🤔🤔 May all your days be Harley days🖤🧡🖤 Safe travels 🙏♥️🐾🐾🇦🇺
I am 5’7” and ride a ‘03 Ultra Classic Anniversary Edition that I got used that had the perfect mods. I also knew the guy that owned it since new, so that helped. 😊
My tip is this, do your homework BEFORE you even go looking. Buy ONE Harley, and when you do, make sure it's the dream bike you want. Step 2, keep it for the rest of your life. Step 2 is the important one.
Canadian here. I just picked up a 2006 Road Glide, original Black Cherry paint, full load with Tour Pack, Sundowner sofa, Daymaker headlights, full Reinhart exhaust, 166,000 kilometers. But it has a fresh S&S T111 mill sitting at 125HP. I polished out the paint & it really gave it new life. I got it from a close friend that bought a new RG last year!
yesterday I met a new member in my Indian Motorcycle Riding Group and he commented about the OND sticker on my Ruroc helmet, he said he loved your vids, so I had an extra Sticker and gave him one to further represent here in Southwest Florida. Now representing Port Charlotte, Fl. and Naples, Fl. Great Vid…
Great vid. as always! I always hate where negotiation becomes adversarial, to me negations should always be a conversation. Whenever I negotiate, I alway start with "are you negotiable on that?" If they say "yes", the conversation can start. If they say "no" you choose, accept or walk away. The "are you negotiable on that" question sets down the ground rules and gives you the permission to start the conversation in a friendly and conversational manner. IMHO.
Private is ALWAYS cheaper than a dealer as you don't bother with high priced bikes unless it is still a deal. I just picked up a flawless '06 XL1200L, 9000 miles, extra seat (touring), quick detach backrest/luggage rack, quick detach windshield, Stage 1, Screaming Eagle pipes, $3500. Fast and loud.
Awesome video. I couldn't agree more with you on buying second hand. I shake my head at all the fools that think by adding cams , suspension and exhaust think they can sell the bike for more. At the end of the day the bike is just a bike. If you ploughed your lifes saving into it , then want to sell it thats your loss. Buyers need to look pass the extras and see it for what it is and not whats on it.
That’s really sad that someone would think they will get that money back. I know a Harley sales manager and the upgrades get listed in the ad for the bike when they sell it, but not in the trade in deal, the dealer cares about condition and mileage, and how much you still might owe on it.
I always look at anything I add on (or that was added on before I bought it, IF it is something I would have added myself) as just my own preference. It’s NOT an investment(😂😂😂) or to increase the value, it’s because I wanted it. AND you’re killing me w the tan, we’re all getting white as ghosts up here in the US! 5” of snow tomorrow and I’m in the Southern US! 😖
Just bought a 2023 Low Rider s from Richardson’s HD in Launceston. They were awesome, went out of their way to get me a great deal, 23 model being identical to the 24 model. Also gave me a grand off the price of the extended warranty and offered to keep it in storage until I can legally ride it later in the year. They didn’t try to force anything extra onto me at all. Compared to some of the negative feedback I’ve seen regarding US dealerships in particular. I walked out with a smile on my face knowing I’d got a far better deal than I had expected.
@@OldNotDead-Club thank you! Interesting the salesman explained that the compliance plate will show the bike as being a 2024 model. As he needs to create a vin number.
I went in to buy either a Fat Bob or the 1250s Sportster. I got talked into buying the Sportster as I was told it was going up £2,000 the next weekend so I had the Sportster. Next weekend the dealer had a Birthday Sale. The 1250 stayed at the same price and the Bob came down to the same price as the Sportster,£14,000. Sportster has been nothing but trouble. Last time they had it back my bike was delived back to me covered in mud, dirt,leaves and what looked like overspary. It had been left outside in their yard. It also had a huge scratch on the tank. Called them. No apologies. No offer to sort the scratch out.The bike has only done 550miles. I want new cans fitting. £1,300 for the cans. A basic charge of £450 labour. £900 to code the exhasut to the VIN number. I just feel Harley dealers are ready to rip you off at every opportunity.
My Harley dealer saw me coming a mile away. I had only walked in to see what they had. I walked out with the most expensive slim in the world. No haggling, no nothing. I didn’t even ask for the price. I only said I want this.
@@D-doggy77me 3. I’m such an idiot. I learned. I’m not saying I won’t buy another Harley. I was the one that was ignorant and didn’t understand the game. Next time I’ll be ready. That said, Harley isn’t selling bikes by screwing people over. It’s driving more away than the people like us that HAVE to have “Harley-Davidson”.
Research is key! Buying in the winter will pay you big also, here in the US there is a ton of great low mile like new that are a few years old. And buying a used Harley at the Honda and other brand dealerships even at the ATV and snowmobile dealers
I'm a retired sales manager and executive. Customers technically bring a knife to a gunfight. A good dealership constantly trains their sales force. So, the customer needs to do research about the models they want and fix a price. Be ready to walk away, if you don't get the price. Dealerships will do almost anything to prevent customers from walking away without a deal.
That was true for my expericence also. I had my fixed price and got up to leave, when they said, if I can do it for that, will you take it? And yes, both of us lived up to our word. Well said.
Former HD Sales in Colorado, here’s what I recommend: - Enter the door with a plan. If no plan, at least a good idea. - Shop around! But remember to consider the difference in how the prices fluctuate and how it’ll effect you in the long run. - DO NOT go anywhere near a dealership if you don’t have at least 10% to put down, or an equitable trade of equal or greater value. - No matter what they say, you really DONT need all the extra warranty protections - HD has a huge aftermarket for performance and mods. No bike ever stays stock, so expect to make personal mods down the road (this costs money) - Other brands are good too, but none of them are Harley Davidson Ride safe out there, Gents!
I got caught with shaking hands on a 2023 lowrider S with a stage 1 upgrade “bassani exhaust n ecu”.. they wanted $25,000. We agreed at $20,000 n change with 0 down payment.. when I was approved with the loan, the finance manager hit me with the “I didn’t know you were talking about the one with the exhaust” even those it was written in paper buy him n signed. Plus I had to put down 4 grand despite the 0 down payment rubbish n settled for one without the stage 1 upgrade just because I’ve already taken out the loan
Research and remember the MSRP! Some Dealers use a Dealer's SRP (DSRP) as a way to slip in a couple grand markup, without calling it a markup. You may also see some battery, tires and other warranty type add-ons. You know the ones that claim no ADM / BS fees?
A dealership is neither your friend or foe. Zero-sum thinking just gets you nowhere. They are a business. The reality is that the relationship is PURELY transactional so STOP being an emotional eejit when buying anything. Your points are spot-on. It is amazing though that adults need this advice to get through life. 🙂
My first Harley, which I bought in December 2023, was a 1994 Electra Glide. I paid cash for it. The bike runs well and does not leak. It was well maintained from the previous owner. However, the dealer wouldn’t budge on any of the numbers. I did ask. However, they had to rebuild the carb and put on new tires. That ate up and then some the dealer prep charge. The sales manager admitted that he lost money on the prep charge. I am happy with the purchase. I bought a bike within my means.
For dealerships and new model purchases. Just swagger in and say money talks and B. S. walks and demand the manager to avoid middle man tacked on hidden fees.😊
😎👍 Big thumbs up for the channel... I bought my Harley used and paid cash because I didn't want any payments... I didn't buy it from a dealership but it was new enough to buy and extend warranty from Harley Davidson...
@@gcanaday1 Is that because Harley Davidson paid out over $10k US dollars on my warranty last year... That's not a joke... 😎👍 Originally I had a 3 year ... but changed to a 5 year after my Screaming Eagle engine build...
Great advice. I like the fact you look at and answer all of the comments. I think 24 hours after a purchase your gut tells you if you made a mistake or not.
Hey - McAussie. i like yer content. Good on ya, Mate!! I bought an '03 Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 Classic for rideability and reliability. ♦ I ALWAYS think "wiggle room" on my first offer, but then take 10%-20% off that (usually 10%) to make it "weird" and uncomfortable (just for low, low, LOW starting point. With anyone and everyone.). ► Good conversation/negotiation starter. • The Vulcan was listed at $4K [USD], I bought it for $2900. I then put another $1750 into it to make it "road worthy" and have taken it to Sturgis (from Boise, Idaho) twice [no probs, add some oil]. ► Ride on, Brother, ride on! ◄
Love your channel. Just got to the HD world but my approach was totally different than you described with the average buyer. I spent some money on mods, but have been building my bike up incrementally. I only financed a fraction of the bike and pay for the mods in cash. (Whilst saving for rainy days) in a few years time I will move up to a soft tail from my Sportster S, because I am getting older :). However I am waiting, and will sell my bike first closer to the end of the season and will buy the new (pre owned) around next February. In August dealer's are hungry for stock, around February they discount a lot. Yes, it will reduce my season but in return I will save a good 2-3000£. 😂
Here in most of the USA, HD dealerships are criminal with tacked on additional "fees". A 2020 Sport Glide used in 2022 , dealerships were asking for more, than new. I picked up a 15k miled 2018 for less than half the price private party, that dealerships wanted. In November of 2023, I test rode a BMW R1250 GS Trophy, brand new, 6 miles on it. Dealership took $2500 off MSRP, no additional fees. Pretty much done with HD dealerships. Service depts at all dealerships are a ripoff. Billing for service in 1/2 hour increments to customers, but warranty work pays in 1/10th hour increments. Service writers always rounding up the bill.
I assume your markups on motorcycles and cars only happened for a period of time during the poisoning program. We had similar with cars. I didn't see any bikes marked up.
@@OldNotDead-Club It's still happening in 2024 at a lot of California HD dealerships. They really tried to corner the market buying up all the used HD's too, and tacking another $4000-5000 US on top of what they bought it for used on trade in.
@@feloniousmonk3049 yeah the dealers here bought a lot of used motorcycles too because they couldnt get new stock. Its normal to mark the bikes up and resell them - how else would they make any money?
Hello neighbor. It was -8°F (-22 C) feels like -24° (-31) here in Missouri USA this morning with a high of 0°(-18). Give me 100° (38) any time. I don't think I could live up there friend.
We should stop calling it “financing” or “credit”. We should call it what it is, renting money. When you think of it that way it makes it a lot less tempting to do.
Well, haggling is not always welcome - this depends very much on the cultural context You’re in. Consider Europe alone: there are some nations/cultures more akin to haggling and some see it as borderline unpleasant. BUT! What always seemed to work for me (and also lowers the bar of leaving one’s comfort zone) is this approach: „well, I am willing to pay what You ask - but it’s about as much as I was ready to pay at most. I would like You to include x, y, z in that amount”. This way I rode out of the dealership on a Forty Eight, paying the dealers price, but getting all the riding gear and one year full insurance on top.
Ah, almost forgot: never, NEVER opt for the dealer’s financing services. You can bet Your bum off, that a bank (probably the one, where You run Your butter-and-bread bank account) is going to give You waaaay better conditions.
at 6'5 i'm not interested in mid frame foot pegs, or floor boards. i need forward controls. i'm on my favorite harley of the 3 i've owned. this 2012 fatboy does the local twisties with ease, and handles the interstate like a champ. the 103b, gives me power when i need or want it, and the tequila sunrise orange gets a lot of attention
Bought my 2017 road king (low mileage) for just over $20k or around 50% of new after someone had literally spent thousands of dollars on screaming eagle gear extras that I would never have bought myself. The only changes I would make is the handle bars and screen. But that is a maybe. Had the bike for a while now, still haven't made those changes
You forgot the dealer demo bikes, I got a great deal on a 2016 V Rod that had 1,800 kms, it had a pipe, tune and still plenty of warranty with a price less than a new stock one, they even gave me the stock pipes that I still have in bubble wrap today, oh also got a helmet thrown in the deal because I haggled.
Yeah I got an old one. Cashed it out. Right price. I knew what I wanted with in my price range. I window shop everything before I make a decision 🤔. I don’t like talking much to the salesman. Simply because I know they are trying to get me to buy something I don’t want. I don’t have time for it. I want that bike, period😂. I bought a 2005 Road King Special. $6000 with a little over 79,000 miles on her. Felt I got a good deal 🤷🏽♂️. Plus it’s winter here in Florida. Or what little winter we get. I’m new to riding so it’s my first bike that my wife got me for my 40th bday present. I freakin love my bike. I’m definitely a happy camper👌🏽.
What if I finance from dealership. Could I suggest the longest payment plan ask for price off the msrp since I'll be paying more on the back end and then just pay it all off in 2 years instead of 7
I have “a normal job” and last year I loaned a amount to bridging a few months. My former bike was never good and they took it back. So i needed a better bike for a longer trip. Now i am at the level of €30.000,00. So i just picked up my 2023 RKS and can’t wait till this shitty winter is gone in holland❤❤
Its a used one with 6000k’s on it,…..a new one cost €35.000,00 in Vivid Black. It saves me €5000👊🏼(and it comes with SE Street Canon’s, HD windsplitter, 2 backrest’s and a rack..also a few $$$$$😋)
I don’t need to have the latest and greatest. I much rather prefer to be the second owner of the bike. This way I am not paying the freight. I’m not paying delivery and set up. I’m not paying all those excessive dealer fees. Oh, and one other thing 511 tactical always be ready best pair of pants out there for motorcycle riding match that up with her 511 tactical bootsand you carry not one but two knives on you.
The first rule of buying any motorcycle is don't buy a bike whose weight you can't handle. I see these dealerships playing up to the customer,s Street glide dream only to get the buyer killed because they didn't have the experience to operate a 900lb bike. It's up to the buyer to put their ego away and get something practical for their skill level. Ride safe
This is what I do. I call up the dealership and ask if the sell for MSRP. If they say no I just say bye and hang up. If yes, I ask what the out the door price is. Tell them to hold it and I'll be there ASAP. EDIT: I'm in the states, so I have more options to call.
Was looking at 2020 Sport glide, 1 dealer 1 private both same colour, only 118 km diff in kms dealer wanted $22,990 private wanted $27k dealers sold 1st, now waiting for this private guy to wake up from his dreams.
With the onset of the Internet. You can pretty much shop all the Harley dealers online. Focus on who probably will give you the best price then give them a phone call.
Bought my street glide in 2012 from Chicago HD, had 25 glides 25 ultras, hog group from Germany did tours had mad sale bought sight unseen, they shipped it too Coutts Montana border of Alberta ...drove in winter from Calgary to get it....still got it pimped now, fukin luv my 103 cammed pipe yaffes , legends ....want the new Pan American real bad ..done deal on the hunt looking for used one from a clown....but never say never eh cheers ya old 2 wheel foo 👍💯💪💪💪🥃😝🤣🤣luv your channel Aussie aspect eh 👌🥃😉
Cars including motorcycles are depreciating assets. Unless if it is your primary method of transportation then don’t finance them. If you can’t afford to pay it cash then save up or settle for a less expensive ride. Many times by the time you can afford to pay cash for it a better deal comes along anyways. NOW In buying houses you do the opposite-finance and put down as little as possible and buy as many as you can for as little money as possible.
I found getting used Harley is slightly better at dealership (interstate or local)because of the Victorian road worthy rules. You can negotiate stock exhaust or handlebars in the deal. Finding parts can be headache sometimes specially if the model is older And nice meeting you the other week at Dandenong Harley heaven 👍
Not trying to be cute or anything, but why does he refer to number of kilometers and a few seconds later say mileage. Is there not a metric equivalent for that word?
It’s difficult to be rational when you see your dream bike and you can buy it.. but should you? Your right.. I’m guilty….. I can afford it… but honestly, I could have bought an older bike for less and been just as happy.. maybe happier, because even on my new bike I need to make upgrades… and I put 12000 miles on it the first year I bought my brand new lowrider st .. in 22 … here it’s 24 and I have 19000 miles on it.. but I do love my bike …
if everyone held to your rule #1, Harley Davidson would be out of business. when you engage in rule #2, the Harley salesperson will look at you as if you just let out a huge fart. Here, rule #3 sets you up to accept the results of rule #2. Here in California, USA, rule #4 does not apply. I haven't seen a dealership discount their new bikes probably for the past 10 years. Rule #5, I'm guilty of this rule, $$$$ of mods for my '15 FSTC and if I ever sell my bike, all that money on mods, down the toilet. Rule #7 Absolutely TRUE!!!!
I really think your just out of your depth here on this topic. People are going to do what they do, and making bad financial decisions are common. To me its one thing and to you it may be another. And lastly dont tell me i shouldnt be foolish with my money. Its a personal decision.
What you do. You do your research. The real bike that you want you don’t ask to test drive. Go in there and look at a bike that you know you can’t afford. Have them on the numbers. Have them tell you the bad news. tell them if you can get me into thisfor a cheap price i’ll buy it today. They’ll give you a deal. And that was the bike you really wanted.
Fark me I swear everyone on market place now thinks you add every accessory to the price. When every I see a street 500 or a sportster for 15k I just think what a 🤡 lol
Best piece of advice i can give is to not deal with Harley Heaven, worst experience I’ve ever had purchasing a vehicle and completely ruined my first Harley experience.
Hey man, i really enjoy your vids. Youre spot on with everything you say. I wanted to buy a New 2024 Road king Special this year but when i saw that they were being built in thailand, that was a total deal breaker for me. Sorry , (not sorry) hd . I ain't paying you premium usa money for a hd knock off made in thailand. I'll keep my loyal and trusty Awesome made in Usa 2015 Dyna Street Bob 103TC... I'll never buy a new hd again if this is your new maket strategy lol People should wake da fuk up. If your gonna build in Thai you should at least consider lowering the price 30% minimum. Hd means MADE IN 🇺🇸 These thai bikes are worthless
@@OldNotDead-Club Middle of the road quality for a top tier price. Not considered a very reliable motorcycle. Many people buy a Harley to be part of the”club.”
@@marktroxell4618 They are very reliable I have owned 7 and all have been 'hotted up" and ridden them for 30 years. I havent seen any difference in reliablity compared to other brands? ... yes people buy them to be in the club - whats that worth?
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Like to see what happens over the next 2yrs.... With HD now allowing the customer to purchase direct from the manufacturer & cutting out the dealerships ❗going to be sad times ahead for the US dealers🤔🤔🤔
May all your days be Harley days🖤🧡🖤
Safe travels 🙏♥️🐾🐾🇦🇺
@@tex9280 yep that will be interesting to watch
I am 5’7” and ride a ‘03 Ultra Classic Anniversary Edition that I got used that had the perfect mods. I also knew the guy that owned it since new, so that helped. 😊
My tip is this, do your homework BEFORE you even go looking. Buy ONE Harley, and when you do, make sure it's the dream bike you want. Step 2, keep it for the rest of your life. Step 2 is the important one.
Thanks
Canadian here. I just picked up a 2006 Road Glide, original Black Cherry paint, full load with Tour Pack, Sundowner sofa, Daymaker headlights, full Reinhart exhaust, 166,000 kilometers. But it has a fresh S&S T111 mill sitting at 125HP. I polished out the paint & it really gave it new life. I got it from a close friend that bought a new RG last year!
sounds awesome
yesterday I met a new member in my Indian Motorcycle Riding Group and he commented about the OND sticker on my Ruroc helmet, he said he loved your vids, so I had an extra Sticker and gave him one to further represent here in Southwest Florida. Now representing Port Charlotte, Fl. and Naples, Fl. Great Vid…
Thank you, that's appreciated
Brilliant video Amin
“Love the tips mentioned “
Keep up the great work 🍻
Thanks 👍
Great vid. as always! I always hate where negotiation becomes adversarial, to me negations should always be a conversation. Whenever I negotiate, I alway start with "are you negotiable on that?" If they say "yes", the conversation can start. If they say "no" you choose, accept or walk away. The "are you negotiable on that" question sets down the ground rules and gives you the permission to start the conversation in a friendly and conversational manner. IMHO.
Great advice, thank you
Private is ALWAYS cheaper than a dealer as you don't bother with high priced bikes unless it is still a deal. I just picked up a flawless '06 XL1200L, 9000 miles, extra seat (touring), quick detach backrest/luggage rack, quick detach windshield, Stage 1, Screaming Eagle pipes, $3500. Fast and loud.
thanks
Awesome video. I couldn't agree more with you on buying second hand. I shake my head at all the fools that think by adding cams , suspension and exhaust think they can sell the bike for more. At the end of the day the bike is just a bike. If you ploughed your lifes saving into it , then want to sell it thats your loss. Buyers need to look pass the extras and see it for what it is and not whats on it.
Spot on
That’s really sad that someone would think they will get that money back. I know a Harley sales manager and the upgrades get listed in the ad for the bike when they sell it, but not in the trade in deal, the dealer cares about condition and mileage, and how much you still might owe on it.
I always look at anything I add on (or that was added on before I bought it, IF it is something I would have added myself) as just my own preference. It’s NOT an investment(😂😂😂) or to increase the value, it’s because I wanted it. AND you’re killing me w the tan, we’re all getting white as ghosts up here in the US! 5” of snow tomorrow and I’m in the Southern US! 😖
Well on the flip side. I don't mind paying a little extra for a bike that has the mods I want. It saves me time, money, and headaches.
Just bought a 2023 Low Rider s from Richardson’s HD in Launceston. They were awesome, went out of their way to get me a great deal, 23 model being identical to the 24 model. Also gave me a grand off the price of the extended warranty and offered to keep it in storage until I can legally ride it later in the year. They didn’t try to force anything extra onto me at all. Compared to some of the negative feedback I’ve seen regarding US dealerships in particular. I walked out with a smile on my face knowing I’d got a far better deal than I had expected.
well done and enjoy the bike!
@@OldNotDead-Club thank you! Interesting the salesman explained that the compliance plate will show the bike as being a 2024 model. As he needs to create a vin number.
I went in to buy either a Fat Bob or the 1250s Sportster. I got talked into buying the Sportster as I was told it was going up £2,000 the next weekend so I had the Sportster. Next weekend the dealer had a Birthday Sale. The 1250 stayed at the same price and the Bob came down to the same price as the Sportster,£14,000. Sportster has been nothing but trouble. Last time they had it back my bike was delived back to me covered in mud, dirt,leaves and what looked like overspary. It had been left outside in their yard. It also had a huge scratch on the tank. Called them. No apologies. No offer to sort the scratch out.The bike has only done 550miles. I want new cans fitting. £1,300 for the cans. A basic charge of £450 labour. £900 to code the exhasut to the VIN number. I just feel Harley dealers are ready to rip you off at every opportunity.
My Harley dealer saw me coming a mile away. I had only walked in to see what they had. I walked out with the most expensive slim in the world. No haggling, no nothing. I didn’t even ask for the price. I only said I want this.
As long as you are enjoying the bike... that's the main thing
@@OldNotDead-Club best worst financial decision I had ever made
Lol. Welcome to the SUCKER club.. glad I’m not alone
Pretty much what I’m doing to no fkn around just pay what it costs and enjoy the ride!
@@D-doggy77me 3. I’m such an idiot. I learned. I’m not saying I won’t buy another Harley. I was the one that was ignorant and didn’t understand the game. Next time I’ll be ready. That said, Harley isn’t selling bikes by screwing people over. It’s driving more away than the people like us that HAVE to have “Harley-Davidson”.
Research is key! Buying in the winter will pay you big also, here in the US there is a ton of great low mile like new that are a few years old. And buying a used Harley at the Honda and other brand dealerships even at the ATV and snowmobile dealers
Thanks, good advice
Thank you for the positive information and your time for these videos. Keep up the great work
Thanks for watching
I'm a retired sales manager and executive. Customers technically bring a knife to a gunfight. A good dealership constantly trains their sales force. So, the customer needs to do research about the models they want and fix a price. Be ready to walk away, if you don't get the price. Dealerships will do almost anything to prevent customers from walking away without a deal.
Thanks for your wisdom
That was true for my expericence also. I had my fixed price and got up to leave, when they said, if I can do it for that, will you take it? And yes, both of us lived up to our word. Well said.
Some dealers rely on those who don't mind getting screwed with no Vaseline
I love the way you avoided the algorithm by saying poisoning program. Lol
Perfect explanation of what that tim in history was.
Lol exactly what it was and would laugh louder if it wasn't so sad
Former HD Sales in Colorado, here’s what I recommend:
- Enter the door with a plan. If no plan, at least a good idea.
- Shop around! But remember to consider the difference in how the prices fluctuate and how it’ll effect you in the long run.
- DO NOT go anywhere near a dealership if you don’t have at least 10% to put down, or an equitable trade of equal or greater value.
- No matter what they say, you really DONT need all the extra warranty protections
- HD has a huge aftermarket for performance and mods. No bike ever stays stock, so expect to make personal mods down the road (this costs money)
- Other brands are good too, but none of them are Harley Davidson
Ride safe out there, Gents!
Great tips Aymen. I certainly use as many of these tips when possible when purchasing items. Great vid!
Thanks for watching Aaron
I got caught with shaking hands on a 2023 lowrider S with a stage 1 upgrade “bassani exhaust n ecu”.. they wanted $25,000. We agreed at $20,000 n change with 0 down payment.. when I was approved with the loan, the finance manager hit me with the “I didn’t know you were talking about the one with the exhaust” even those it was written in paper buy him n signed. Plus I had to put down 4 grand despite the 0 down payment rubbish n settled for one without the stage 1 upgrade just because I’ve already taken out the loan
Research and remember the MSRP! Some Dealers use a Dealer's SRP (DSRP) as a way to slip in a couple grand markup, without calling it a markup.
You may also see some battery, tires and other warranty type add-ons.
You know the ones that claim no ADM / BS fees?
A dealership is neither your friend or foe. Zero-sum thinking just gets you nowhere. They are a business. The reality is that the relationship is PURELY transactional so STOP being an emotional eejit when buying anything. Your points are spot-on. It is amazing though that adults need this advice to get through life. 🙂
Thanks for watching - a lot of people have no understanding of business so i guess it helps
My first Harley, which I bought in December 2023, was a 1994 Electra Glide. I paid cash for it. The bike runs well and does not leak. It was well maintained from the previous owner. However, the dealer wouldn’t budge on any of the numbers. I did ask. However, they had to rebuild the carb and put on new tires. That ate up and then some the dealer prep charge. The sales manager admitted that he lost money on the prep charge. I am happy with the purchase. I bought a bike within my means.
As long as you are happy with the bike and the price, that's all that matters
Another great video Aymen , interesting thought’s potentially applied to many things 😊
Thanks for watching Karyn
For dealerships and new model purchases.
Just swagger in and say money talks and B. S. walks and demand the manager to avoid middle man tacked on hidden fees.😊
Thanks
By the look of your arms and white hands you’ve been riding around the Mornington Peninsula the past few days.. weathers been awesome.. great tips 👍
lol, thanks and spot on, burnt to a crisp
Loving your work Aymen, enjoyed today's vid. Haha on Eric having all these women call him. Our famous model now haha
lol, thank you
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Big thumbs up for the channel...
I bought my Harley used and paid cash because I didn't want any payments...
I didn't buy it from a dealership but it was new enough to buy and extend warranty from Harley Davidson...
Nice 👍
"Hello, we've been trying to reach you about your bike's extended warranty..."
@@gcanaday1 Is that because Harley Davidson paid out over $10k US dollars on my warranty last year...
That's not a joke... 😎👍
Originally I had a 3 year ... but changed to a 5 year after my Screaming Eagle engine build...
Great advice. I like the fact you look at and answer all of the comments. I think 24 hours after a purchase your gut tells you if you made a mistake or not.
Lol thanks thats true but hopefully you work it out before a purchase lol expensive mistake
@@OldNotDead-Club been there, done that. I ordered two of your tees, hopefully still in stock. Thanks for a great channel.
@@Mikego55 thank you
Nice one Aymen. All good advice.
Safe rides 👍🤜
Thanks ✌️
Great channel. Love your content. St. Petersburg USA
Thank you very much!
Hey - McAussie. i like yer content. Good on ya, Mate!!
I bought an '03 Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 Classic for rideability and reliability.
♦ I ALWAYS think "wiggle room" on my first offer, but then take 10%-20% off that (usually 10%) to make it "weird" and uncomfortable (just for low, low, LOW starting point. With anyone and everyone.).
► Good conversation/negotiation starter.
• The Vulcan was listed at $4K [USD], I bought it for $2900. I then put another $1750 into it to make it "road worthy" and have taken it to Sturgis (from Boise, Idaho) twice [no probs, add some oil].
► Ride on, Brother, ride on! ◄
Thanks for watching
All great advice. I could have bought a new HD on PCP but ended up buying a low-mileage XL1200C for a fraction of the price.
Love your channel. Just got to the HD world but my approach was totally different than you described with the average buyer. I spent some money on mods, but have been building my bike up incrementally. I only financed a fraction of the bike and pay for the mods in cash. (Whilst saving for rainy days) in a few years time I will move up to a soft tail from my Sportster S, because I am getting older :). However I am waiting, and will sell my bike first closer to the end of the season and will buy the new (pre owned) around next February. In August dealer's are hungry for stock, around February they discount a lot. Yes, it will reduce my season but in return I will save a good 2-3000£. 😂
Just emailed the local dealership a list of mods to put on my new Low Rider s when it arrives, it’s starting to become a reality!
awesome bike
@@OldNotDead-Club can’t wait to see what all the fuss is about and get out there 😁
I love your winter , hi from Canada.
A big hello to you too
Sick glove tan! I thought those were white gloves for the first minute of the video!!
lol
Here in most of the USA, HD dealerships are criminal with tacked on additional "fees". A 2020 Sport Glide used in 2022 , dealerships were asking for more, than new. I picked up a 15k miled 2018 for less than half the price private party, that dealerships wanted. In November of 2023, I test rode a BMW R1250 GS Trophy, brand new, 6 miles on it. Dealership took $2500 off MSRP, no additional fees. Pretty much done with HD dealerships. Service depts at all dealerships are a ripoff. Billing for service in 1/2 hour increments to customers, but warranty work pays in 1/10th hour increments. Service writers always rounding up the bill.
I assume your markups on motorcycles and cars only happened for a period of time during the poisoning program. We had similar with cars. I didn't see any bikes marked up.
@@OldNotDead-Club It's still happening in 2024 at a lot of California HD dealerships. They really tried to corner the market buying up all the used HD's too, and tacking another $4000-5000 US on top of what they bought it for used on trade in.
@@feloniousmonk3049 yeah the dealers here bought a lot of used motorcycles too because they couldnt get new stock. Its normal to mark the bikes up and resell them - how else would they make any money?
Torque cam is definitely preferred over hp cam… unless your riding at 100mph all the time
spot on
Yeah mate just put some in, makes it so much more rideable than a big lumpy cam
Nice tan lines Aymen! Great vid! 👍🏻
Lol, thanks 👍
Nice sunburn mate, it's - 7 feels like -17 here in Toronto today.
Lol dont you hate winter!
Hello neighbor.
It was -8°F (-22 C) feels like -24° (-31) here in Missouri USA this morning with a high of 0°(-18).
Give me 100° (38) any time.
I don't think I could live up there friend.
We should stop calling it “financing” or “credit”. We should call it what it is, renting money. When you think of it that way it makes it a lot less tempting to do.
Great point, thank you
Well, haggling is not always welcome - this depends very much on the cultural context You’re in. Consider Europe alone: there are some nations/cultures more akin to haggling and some see it as borderline unpleasant.
BUT! What always seemed to work for me (and also lowers the bar of leaving one’s comfort zone) is this approach: „well, I am willing to pay what You ask - but it’s about as much as I was ready to pay at most. I would like You to include x, y, z in that amount”.
This way I rode out of the dealership on a Forty Eight, paying the dealers price, but getting all the riding gear and one year full insurance on top.
Ah, almost forgot: never, NEVER opt for the dealer’s financing services. You can bet Your bum off, that a bank (probably the one, where You run Your butter-and-bread bank account) is going to give You waaaay better conditions.
Thanks, you are correct some people dont like haggling and you need to adjust your approach and style to the circumstances
Dealers are professional con merchants give you nothing sell very high and don’t even clean bikes anymore, stuff the dealers…☠️
Thanks, they can't all be bad, Ive only had positive experiences with them
All good points!
Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
at 6'5 i'm not interested in mid frame foot pegs, or floor boards. i need forward controls. i'm on my favorite harley of the 3 i've owned. this 2012 fatboy does the local twisties with ease, and handles the interstate like a champ. the 103b, gives me power when i need or want it, and the tequila sunrise orange gets a lot of attention
Thanks I love the Fat Boy
6'5" here, also. The Sport Glide with forward pegs worked for me instead of a mid Low Rider S or Low Rider ST.
Bought my 2017 road king (low mileage) for just over $20k or around 50% of new after someone had literally spent thousands of dollars on screaming eagle gear extras that I would never have bought myself. The only changes I would make is the handle bars and screen. But that is a maybe. Had the bike for a while now, still haven't made those changes
Love the RK
local dealer near me is 100% FOE, Dropped off my VRod for a stage 2 install, 4 months later the work was done
You forgot the dealer demo bikes, I got a great deal on a 2016 V Rod that had 1,800 kms, it had a pipe, tune and still plenty of warranty with a price less than a new stock one, they even gave me the stock pipes that I still have in bubble wrap today, oh also got a helmet thrown in the deal because I haggled.
Yeah that's (IMHO) the sweet spot, near new used bikes no matter who is selling
I have a demo model 21 Heritage it had 2000miles on clock ,I got engine guards also ,a good sale my Streetbob also.
Yeah I got an old one. Cashed it out. Right price. I knew what I wanted with in my price range. I window shop everything before I make a decision 🤔. I don’t like talking much to the salesman. Simply because I know they are trying to get me to buy something I don’t want. I don’t have time for it. I want that bike, period😂. I bought a 2005 Road King Special. $6000 with a little over 79,000 miles on her. Felt I got a good deal 🤷🏽♂️. Plus it’s winter here in Florida. Or what little winter we get. I’m new to riding so it’s my first bike that my wife got me for my 40th bday present. I freakin love my bike. I’m definitely a happy camper👌🏽.
What if I finance from dealership. Could I suggest the longest payment plan ask for price off the msrp since I'll be paying more on the back end and then just pay it all off in 2 years instead of 7
That you will have to discuss with lenders
I have “a normal job” and last year I loaned a amount to bridging a few months. My former bike was never good and they took it back. So i needed a better bike for a longer trip. Now i am at the level of €30.000,00. So i just picked up my 2023 RKS and can’t wait till this shitty winter is gone in holland❤❤
Beautiful bike, well done
Its a used one with 6000k’s on it,…..a new one cost €35.000,00 in Vivid Black. It saves me €5000👊🏼(and it comes with SE Street Canon’s, HD windsplitter, 2 backrest’s and a rack..also a few $$$$$😋)
Thanks for the tips of buying harleydavidson ❤
Thanks for watching
I don’t need to have the latest and greatest. I much rather prefer to be the second owner of the bike. This way I am not paying the freight. I’m not paying delivery and set up. I’m not paying all those excessive dealer fees. Oh, and one other thing 511 tactical always be ready best pair of pants out there for motorcycle riding match that up with her 511 tactical bootsand you carry not one but two knives on you.
The first rule of buying any motorcycle is don't buy a bike whose weight you can't handle. I see these dealerships playing up to the customer,s Street glide dream only to get the buyer killed because they didn't have the experience to operate a 900lb bike. It's up to the buyer to put their ego away and get something practical for their skill level. Ride safe
Number 8 if walking into a dearship wait till the end of the month!!
Thanks
This is what I do. I call up the dealership and ask if the sell for MSRP. If they say no I just say bye and hang up. If yes, I ask what the out the door price is. Tell them to hold it and I'll be there ASAP. EDIT: I'm in the states, so I have more options to call.
Yes we dream of having your prices!
Okay, call me dense, but what is MSRP?
I’ve never bought a bike from a dealer, but the term means nothing to me.
@@BigAl53750 Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price.
Great advice as usual .
Thanks for watching!
What about some "Old Not Dead" branded sunscreen...? Enjoy summer down under, here we need snow goggles.
Lol I def need it now, move your tribe over here where it's warm
Was looking at 2020 Sport glide, 1 dealer 1 private both same colour, only 118 km diff in kms dealer wanted $22,990 private wanted $27k dealers sold 1st, now waiting for this private guy to wake up from his dreams.
With the onset of the Internet. You can pretty much shop all the Harley dealers online. Focus on who probably will give you the best price then give them a phone call.
Never finance the add on parts or gear. Get add ons after the purchase separately.
wise!
Bought my street glide in 2012 from Chicago HD, had 25 glides 25 ultras, hog group from Germany did tours had mad sale bought sight unseen, they shipped it too Coutts Montana border of Alberta ...drove in winter from Calgary to get it....still got it pimped now, fukin luv my 103 cammed pipe yaffes , legends ....want the new Pan American real bad ..done deal on the hunt looking for used one from a clown....but never say never eh cheers ya old 2 wheel foo 👍💯💪💪💪🥃😝🤣🤣luv your channel Aussie aspect eh 👌🥃😉
Thank you, ride safe
Cars including motorcycles are depreciating assets. Unless if it is your primary method of transportation then don’t finance them. If you can’t afford to pay it cash then save up or settle for a less expensive ride. Many times by the time you can afford to pay cash for it a better deal comes along anyways. NOW In buying houses you do the opposite-finance and put down as little as possible and buy as many as you can for as little money as possible.
Thanks
I found getting used Harley is slightly better at dealership (interstate or local)because of the Victorian road worthy rules. You can negotiate stock exhaust or handlebars in the deal. Finding parts can be headache sometimes specially if the model is older
And nice meeting you the other week at Dandenong Harley heaven 👍
Likewise great meeting you, thanks
@@OldNotDead-Clubhope to go for ride together someday 👍 Stay safe
@@manmeetsharma2632 jump into the FB group - you will see when im doing a ride
i love your watch, what is it?? can't tell
Not trying to be cute or anything, but why does he refer to number of kilometers and a few seconds later say mileage. Is there not a metric equivalent for that word?
Not that i can think of?
The Finance section, I found that it’s easier to get a new bike through Finance, then the secondhand one 😩
It’s difficult to be rational when you see your dream bike and you can buy it.. but should you? Your right.. I’m guilty….. I can afford it… but honestly, I could have bought an older bike for less and been just as happy.. maybe happier, because even on my new bike I need to make upgrades… and I put 12000 miles on it the first year I bought my brand new lowrider st .. in 22 … here it’s 24 and I have 19000 miles on it.. but I do love my bike …
thanks for watching - you are correct its often an emotional buy
Thanks dad
Lol
if everyone held to your rule #1, Harley Davidson would be out of business.
when you engage in rule #2, the Harley salesperson will look at you as if you just let out a huge fart.
Here, rule #3 sets you up to accept the results of rule #2.
Here in California, USA, rule #4 does not apply. I haven't seen a dealership discount their new bikes probably for the past 10 years.
Rule #5, I'm guilty of this rule, $$$$ of mods for my '15 FSTC and if I ever sell my bike, all that money on mods, down the toilet.
Rule #7 Absolutely TRUE!!!!
Tip #8: keep phone handy to hear about the recalls. Tip#9: purchase a trailer, see Tip #8.
Lol
I really think your just out of your depth here on this topic. People are going to do what they do, and making bad financial decisions are common. To me its one thing and to you it may be another.
And lastly dont tell me i shouldnt be foolish with my money. Its a personal decision.
oh yes sorry it was directed at you personally - it will never happen again, please check the next video for me, lol before i drown
What you do. You do your research. The real bike that you want you don’t ask to test drive. Go in there and look at a bike that you know you can’t afford. Have them on the numbers. Have them tell you the bad news. tell them if you can get me into thisfor a cheap price i’ll buy it today. They’ll give you a deal. And that was the bike you really wanted.
Fark me I swear everyone on market place now thinks you add every accessory to the price.
When every I see a street 500 or a sportster for 15k I just think what a 🤡 lol
Lol yep
Best piece of advice i can give is to not deal with Harley Heaven, worst experience I’ve ever had purchasing a vehicle and completely ruined my first Harley experience.
Thats unfortunate
I buy with cash.
That's the best way
Never love an object more than the current owner.
Good advice thanks
What is with this “ rules” stuff?
Rules are to be broken? ... or followed
@@OldNotDead-Club I don’t follow, that is a fool’s errand
@@robertholland7558 sometimes it is - but everyone follows sometimes
@@OldNotDead-Club follow the road, until you decide not to. Bit of a difficult task on a Harley-Davidson.
@@robertholland7558 lol FFS
i hate the bones mods
I'll never buy another Harley, rip-off bastards, Cowboy Harley Austin Texas
Thats unfortunate
Only buy one of you're not a motorcyclists
Hey man, i really enjoy your vids. Youre spot on with everything you say. I wanted to buy a New 2024 Road king Special this year but when i saw that they were being built in thailand, that was a total deal breaker for me. Sorry , (not sorry) hd . I ain't paying you premium usa money for a hd knock off made in thailand. I'll keep my loyal and trusty Awesome made in Usa 2015 Dyna Street Bob 103TC...
I'll never buy a new hd again if this is your new maket strategy lol People should wake da fuk up. If your gonna build in Thai you should at least consider lowering the price 30% minimum. Hd means MADE IN 🇺🇸
These thai bikes are worthless
Number one Don’t buy a Harley!
Because?
@@OldNotDead-Club Middle of the road quality for a top tier price. Not considered a very reliable motorcycle. Many people buy a Harley to be part of the”club.”
@@marktroxell4618 They are very reliable I have owned 7 and all have been 'hotted up" and ridden them for 30 years. I havent seen any difference in reliablity compared to other brands? ... yes people buy them to be in the club - whats that worth?
@@marktroxell4618Harley's last life times, if taken care of, its better than some sports bike,
Best tip to buy a Harley, buy a Honda instead.
Lol