Another really well made video, with insightful commentary. It’s been too long since your last video, but all is F0rg1ven. Keep up the good work! Looking forward to the instructional vids too.
Really liked your analysis. I especially like your "game IQ" point. Everyone can see his inhumane ability to dodge, but things like holding the sivir W for an insta-triple are much more subtle.
In the clip at 4:20 he didn't actually wait to use w. He had it active as he hit the inhib to take it quicker and to poke out Azir (and Kai'Sa who ran in). He used it almost the instant it was back up again as he didn't have any CDR. In fact, it wouldn't have even been up quite yet without the blue buff that he has in the clip.
Sivir's W cooldown is 6 seconds at max rank, and with the blue buff cdr the cooldown is reduced by 10% (0.6 seconds in this case) Meaning, the CD for Ricochet was 5.4 seconds. The time it took from the starting point (inhibitor) and to the kills was around 8 seconds. Only thing im not sure of is when the cooldown actually starts, after you initially press W or when the ricochets are depleted? To be honest I don't know if it was intentional or not, it could be either. But he didnt spam W for an autoattack reset on the lee, which makes me think that he actually did wait for them to stack up.
It went on cooldown at 26:13 and he used it againa t 26:18. His pattern of hitting Lee was: Auto-(braum passive is applied)-auto-auto-Q-W. He only had W up after his last regular auto attack.
Welcome back man, i was waiting u, we will see in the unranked to master. i really want see this happen. Have a good day and btw forgiven is really strong
Twitch main in plat here... really good video... next time a bit more educational (examples what the casual Player can learn from the pro) Really enjoyed the video!
@@xboxfullauto1000 He is called Pun1sher, greek midlaner who got rank 1 like two months after the season started with the Pun1sher Reborn account from which he doesnt play right now. His stream is here: www.twitch.tv/pun1shers_tv
every top player in every sport or other competition is able to return to the top after a long break, given they are still fit enough if you understand and know all of the comcepts of any game sport etc. you wont have problems applying them since you already have a lot of experience
I really like him not only for his gameplay, but also because he is an elitist and geniune. To him you are the best or you are nothing. And he won't shy away from stating that. This makes him very likeable to me
By far karaflas is back!! Time to hug turrets enemy bot laners
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Excellent analysis, would love to see more videos like this.
Nice video m8! We Stan forg1ven.
Damn that morgana bind dodge is insane
Another really well made video, with insightful commentary. It’s been too long since your last video, but all is F0rg1ven. Keep up the good work! Looking forward to the instructional vids too.
That Graves clip is fantastic. I remember watching that happen on stream and it blew my mind, it looked like he was scripting.
I know, its so rare even among pros to see movement like that!
he IS the script :PP
Really liked your analysis. I especially like your "game IQ" point. Everyone can see his inhumane ability to dodge, but things like holding the sivir W for an insta-triple are much more subtle.
He didnt actually hold the W as he used it on the inhib. He rather just got it off cooldown in the perfect moment.
Sick video! Great to have Forg1ven back
Its the baldspots that are giving him power
yeah like solar panels
In the clip at 4:20 he didn't actually wait to use w. He had it active as he hit the inhib to take it quicker and to poke out Azir (and Kai'Sa who ran in). He used it almost the instant it was back up again as he didn't have any CDR. In fact, it wouldn't have even been up quite yet without the blue buff that he has in the clip.
Sivir's W cooldown is 6 seconds at max rank, and with the blue buff cdr the cooldown is reduced by 10% (0.6 seconds in this case)
Meaning, the CD for Ricochet was 5.4 seconds. The time it took from the starting point (inhibitor) and to the kills was around 8 seconds.
Only thing im not sure of is when the cooldown actually starts, after you initially press W or when the ricochets are depleted?
To be honest I don't know if it was intentional or not, it could be either. But he didnt spam W for an autoattack reset on the lee, which makes me think that he actually did wait for them to stack up.
It went on cooldown at 26:13 and he used it againa t 26:18. His pattern of hitting Lee was: Auto-(braum passive is applied)-auto-auto-Q-W. He only had W up after his last regular auto attack.
@@mafab666 not sure about that. If u look closely u can see the clock hovering at :13 for a good 2-3 seconds, not convinced.
I really loved Forg1ven in the lcs. Sad that he doesnt do very much nowadays
Looks like he's scripting when he dodges the Morg Q lol, insane player!
forg1ven real name is karaflas in greek
Karaflomalias ennoeis
Hahahahaah
Mallon karaflodemonas tha ennoeitai
pay your debt
@@rousod so bad haha. You are cray cray ma friendo
So hyped for him to make a comeback!
TSM: Welcome FORG1VENGRE
even though it would be good tsm with forgiven snergy would be bad, as he is a toxic person, tsm needs a silent carry like deft or uzi
Welcome back man, i was waiting u, we will see in the unranked to master. i really want see this happen. Have a good day and btw forgiven is really strong
Unranked to masters stream will begin today at 5pm! hope to see you there mate
Great video dude
The legend is back finally
Forgiven in SO4 Confirmed!
I would like to see G2 Forg1ven. This team would be unstopable with him.
Origen
The OG ADC
ELLHNES EDO??
BY FAR
My only question is why did i have to fast forward to 1:40 to start listening to your analysis ?
You didn't have to.
Nice video dude :) if/when he returns its gonna be hype
if i'm playing with pun1sher duo , i'm going to challenger too
Only difference is that pun1sher is the second greek to reach rank 1 on euw , first one was forg1ven :p
@@alexts7635 how many years before? hahahahaha
lol the OG team was with Expect, inSec and Froggen ?! how did I miss that
yeah! it was in a tournament called EU Masters (not LCS) so thats potentially why you missed it!
@@SimbaADCAh I see thanks for replying. But EU Masters is not the qualifyer for EU LCS/LEC or is it
@@busherinolol1693 no problem mate. No I dont think it qualifies for the LEC since it will be franchised very soon! But im not 100% sure.
Simba ADC lec already is franchised
Forgiveeeeeen 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
Twitch main in plat here... really good video... next time a bit more educational (examples what the casual Player can learn from the pro)
Really enjoyed the video!
"By far"
Waiting to go back at lec and get smashed by rekkles and upset! We cant forget how he cried when he lost the split to fnc with SK
Ne never had a good team to begin with maybe h2k in 2016
LoL upset can play only One champion
Forgiven is by far the best adc ever in europe you cant train mouse movements like his
Does he have twich? If he does what is it?
Good video
Who's the cass that you got the clip from? Could you link stream? I saw that he was duo'ing with FORG1VEN.
The guy is called Pun1sher Reborn!
TY
@@xboxfullauto1000 He is called Pun1sher, greek midlaner who got rank 1 like two months after the season started with the Pun1sher Reborn account from which he doesnt play right now. His stream is here: www.twitch.tv/pun1shers_tv
Yes he was a god. A toxic shit god but a god...
Sadly he dont make the comeback real this year :-(
What a monster
his ign has changed
hello from greece
every top player in every sport or other competition is able to return to the top after a long break, given they are still fit enough
if you understand and know all of the comcepts of any game sport etc. you wont have problems applying them since you already have a lot of experience
And In Greece they make fun of him...
BY FAR!
RGE Forg1ven ; p
Rekless who?
The best adc in eu, he plays in fnatic
Old graves [*]
Pun1sher gia sta daxtila sou xD
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O BABAS SAS
Absalute no idea what’s going on
he didnt hold onto his w in the third clip it was on cooldown
Tsm forgiven
On April 1st lmao
Why do you like him? I've only ever heard rumours he's toxic (idk if true though?).
He just made a video explaining why he likes him
Who actually cares if he is? I'd rather have a competitive toxic teammate than a troll.
I really like him not only for his gameplay, but also because he is an elitist and geniune. To him you are the best or you are nothing. And he won't shy away from stating that. This makes him very likeable to me
Yes, toxic as in argues/discusses his points a lot. Talkative = toxic in some baby environments xD
@@BrewOnABike You said that like there are no skilled and good mannered players, there is ton
FORGIVEN GEY CARIED BY PUNISHER REBORN LOL
videos that didn't age well lmao
Gkavlas
Xaxaxaxaxaxaxa
Its not that good can play adc with his boss "perfect balance" or arxhgos or hayate
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Dude u litterally took 2 clips arguebly 3 clips from fukin motages
Overrated