Bullying a Nugu Group 101

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  • @wireshred
    @wireshred  5 місяців тому +57

    2 Quick claifications: The BADVILLIAN member I name later in the video is INA, not NIA. And I namedropped IVE and (G)I-DLE as 5th gen leaders...can you tell how tired I was?? The point I make in the video still stands. My bad y'all.

    • @REI.12-r5f
      @REI.12-r5f 5 місяців тому +1

      (G)I-DLE*

    • @chishiy4
      @chishiy4 5 місяців тому +2

      it's (G)I-DLE

    • @webeccuh
      @webeccuh 5 місяців тому +11

      @@chishiy4girl yk what she meant

    • @jangwonive
      @jangwonive 4 місяці тому +2

      ​@@chishiy4 yall are annoying😑

  • @soomi
    @soomi 5 місяців тому +191

    People are getting waaaaayyyy too comfortable in kpop with just straight up bullying groups they don't like or disagree with. It's really dumb and even potentially scary for lots of people involved. Let's just not. Just say you disliked the debut personally, but otherwise just wish them good luck and focus on your groups you do like. That's all you have to do.

    • @FallforcupidD
      @FallforcupidD 5 місяців тому +17

      Yes, some K-pop fans are becoming professional haters, and it's really sad 😭

    • @williamwilliams1368
      @williamwilliams1368 5 місяців тому +16

      There’s a lack of social media etiquette fr

    • @wireshred
      @wireshred  5 місяців тому +15

      I honestly think social media has convinced people they need to post every thought that comes to their heads, and it results in dragging groups, etc. Like, have you seen the trend on tiktok where people share which idols they think are ugly or have "bad vibes" unprompted? And when people justifiably call them out for being rude, they defend it by saying it's their opinion. Which, sure. It is. But not everything is meant to be shared. Have your opinion and go.

    • @soomi
      @soomi 5 місяців тому +1

      @@wireshred Well.. I chose my mental health and plus I'm not a teenager, so no. I am not on tiktok 😭lmaooo. And I am shocked, but also not. I heard tiktok had illegal trends before like stealing property and hurting yourself with odd 'foods'. Imo that app should be shut down or their moderation of it should be way more firm.

    • @akuhappy3246
      @akuhappy3246 4 місяці тому

      That mentality was always there in kpop from the beginning. It just because of the rapidity of information in media social it become a widespread theme now.

  • @willow0.0
    @willow0.0 5 місяців тому +45

    Go Hard by TWICE is shaking after seeing the BV hate for silhouetted members over a red bg

  • @run-for-roses05
    @run-for-roses05 5 місяців тому +52

    I find it strange that some of their fans argue this while that is the main criticism of their group's music. Baby Monster are too talented to have recycled uninspired YG formula music, I want these girls to succeed with a diverse discography, but who knows?
    As for Badvillian, When I was seeing the allegations for plagiarism, it didn't make sense because it just felt like an industry norm to do these things so I was so confused. However , as for the group's success , I think these girls have started off with a bang and I think they're gonna go far.
    Again , this goes back to the point where some k-pop fans use a word and then run with it and this also leads back to the issue of lack of nuance.

  • @noahfan2719
    @noahfan2719 5 місяців тому +20

    i think what gets me about this whole thing as somebody who has listened to both groups’ current releases is that babymonster is stuck in blackpink’s shadow right now with no real identity of their own, so where does anyone get off calling badvillain a rip-off of them? BV at least has a solid concept (being comic book-inspired, i fully expect to hear badvillain songs in harley quinn edits at some point) that if expanded on in future comebacks, could really set them apart from the rest of 5th gen. BM is just YG throwing together a group of girls to be his next cash cow since BP isn’t interested in group activities anymore with little thought put into what the next chapters of their careers will look like.
    considering a portion of baemon’s success is essentially from nepotism through blackpink + being under a Big 4 label, it is kind of embarrassing to watch some (emphasis on some! it is not every BM fan because i personally like both groups and don’t see the issue) of their fans pick on someone smaller than them. it’s like a grown adult bullying a toddler that’s just learning how to walk. i won’t mince words, it is pathetic to watch from the sidelines.

    • @jada.177
      @jada.177 5 місяців тому +3

      literally right now bv has a certain sound to them that bm does not. i truly think that some fans (mainly anti bv) are secretly upset that bm didn't give an certain in their debut and comeback making it so easy to say that yg has not put in a lot of work when making the sound for the group.

    • @space_theatre3995
      @space_theatre3995 2 місяці тому +1

      Yg is really failing to create an image for baemon

  • @kireiinborderland
    @kireiinborderland 5 місяців тому +11

    Thank you for making this. I really thought I was going crazy with all the hate directed at BADVILLAIN when the issues are just not issues...

  • @Kpop.addict_Drama
    @Kpop.addict_Drama 5 місяців тому +7

    I like badvillian as a song more then sheesh and I havent even decided to stan or not yet. I still cant see the similarities between badvillian and babymonster tho like other then the concept.

  • @haewonized
    @haewonized 5 місяців тому +6

    the way they outdid babymonster too 😭😭😭

    • @BaeYeonSae.
      @BaeYeonSae. 4 місяці тому +2

      They wouldn't even survive if they didn't debut in YG , only like that are decent songs of theirs, and that's not even composed by their own producers , sitm is good too but it's totally unrelated to the concept that they're going for , and baemon had the audacity to say that these girls are plagiarizing their "concept" when their fav doesn't stick to their concept either

  • @freeyaw29
    @freeyaw29 5 місяців тому +23

    kpop industry is just copy and paste with slight tweaking. stans keep forgetting this facts 😂

    • @TheCEOZadenWavess
      @TheCEOZadenWavess 5 місяців тому

      But each group still has originality put into it with something new, of K-pop was a copy and paste and new involved K-pop would not be as world wide as it is today

    • @ev07272
      @ev07272 5 місяців тому +1

      @@TheCEOZadenWavess theres no originality they use y2k and this girl crush which was originally created by bl@ck people

    • @AbbyA-z6j
      @AbbyA-z6j 5 місяців тому

      😂Why I'm perplexed by this nonsense. Both groups have come up with K-pop style offerings I have enjoyed. I guess it may just be an ego boost to imagine your group is revolutionary.

    • @TheCEOZadenWavess
      @TheCEOZadenWavess 5 місяців тому

      @@AbbyA-z6j my group? BLACKPINK is my group. Do I even have to say anything else 😭🥱

  • @kayliawilson8842
    @kayliawilson8842 5 місяців тому +8

    Ngl I like BV more than BM🧐

  • @Idk0037
    @Idk0037 5 місяців тому +11

    The ultimate mid off

  • @mingisfixon6452
    @mingisfixon6452 5 місяців тому +35

    This shows that neither group r original nor unique but uhh... that logic could be extended to sooo many groups... it's almost like they're all from the same industry and pulling from similar tropes and conventions...

    • @wireshred
      @wireshred  5 місяців тому +8

      Thank you for summing up my 11 minute video into 3 sentences lol.

    • @mingisfixon6452
      @mingisfixon6452 5 місяців тому +2

      @wireshred Nooo, I didn't mean it any type of way, I'm just yapping 💀

    • @wireshred
      @wireshred  5 місяців тому +6

      @mingisfixon6452 Don't worry! I found it funny. You are absolutely correct. If anything, I'm the one rambling about it.

    • @mingisfixon6452
      @mingisfixon6452 5 місяців тому +1

      @@wireshred oh ok 😂

  • @l0veyrs
    @l0veyrs 5 місяців тому +8

    it be instances like this that made me fall back a bit on kpop, so toxic n for what exactly 😂… i just stick to my few grps and call it a day

    • @akuhappy3246
      @akuhappy3246 4 місяці тому +2

      Just enjoyed the music. Don't get into the fight with brainless "fans". Let all go with the flow, eventhough the problems and scandals got your favorit group in the spectrum.
      I still sane because of that, even after enjoyed kpop from 2009.

  • @kiaraplato3603
    @kiaraplato3603 5 місяців тому +3

    Thank you so much for this, it's been really sad seeing all the hate that bad villain gets and they're not even fully inti their journey yet. Also all the hate they've been getting in the comments of the videos, is really sad, cause just imagine posting a video then getting hate just because of some rumors, also just reading about BV fans asking each other to help support BV is really amazing to see, this really made my day as I've hardly seen anyone doing what you just did. It's really uplifting, thank you again ❤️❤️

  • @Nab614
    @Nab614 4 місяці тому +2

    Truly appaling how the late Ronny James Dio copied the devil horns from Babymonster all the way back in the 80's. I was always such a fan of Dio and Black Sabbath, but this kind of blatant plagiarism does simply NOT fly. Burning all my merch right now.
    Fun fact: Gene Simmons of the band KISS tried patenting the gesture in 2017, but couldn't get it through, making this whole situation even more ridiculous.

  • @haewonized
    @haewonized 5 місяців тому +6

    no bc it reminds me of what nmixx had to go through their rookie year and all the dumbasses accusing them of plagiarizing groups like ateez 💀💀

  • @Griemmy
    @Griemmy 5 місяців тому +12

    In my most objective view, BAD VILLAIN skill wise, experience wise and ACTUAL SWAG AND Badness wise, Bad Villain is Far Superior than BabyMonster.
    BV is a Performance first girl group who happen to be Idols. Baby Villain are Idols who happen to have a Bad ass/girl crush concept. They are Idol first then performers 2nd. They are the typical girl crush kpop group. BAD VILLAIN on the other hand are clearly aiming for a performance 1st group.
    As a straight man in his 30s, appearance wise, Baby Monster has the prettier members. However as a normal person who can evaluate skill and quality, Bad Villain are more capable and far more free and expressive.

  • @FallforcupidD
    @FallforcupidD 5 місяців тому +35

    I was waiting for a video like this, I have a K-tuber I watch that has just been shitting on them before they even debuted. I don't know why, but they just don't like them, lol. Like what did these girls do?

    • @soomi
      @soomi 5 місяців тому +13

      It's so awkward every time there's this release or debut and your fave ktuber(s) is/are like "well, this was dog doo doo" .. like .. okay? Thanks? Thanks for ruining the vibe? Unless it's maybe a monthly ranking, of course, then sure. Valid to have some songs you disliked. But if you dedicate a whole or mostly whole video to disliking a debut or comeback you're a bit much.

    • @FallforcupidD
      @FallforcupidD 5 місяців тому +7

      ​@soomi YESSS, it's like so aggressive sometimes, too? Like chill, not liking it is valid, but the seemingly pure hatred for the groups is crazy.

    • @wireshred
      @wireshred  5 місяців тому +7

      Damn really? I've only really seen heat for them on Twitter, but even then, it's just weird the amount of hate they attracted before they debuted. I think some people haven't developed the skill of seeing something they don't like and then just moving on. Instead, they need EVERYONE to know they don't like that thing.

    • @HectorH-M
      @HectorH-M 5 місяців тому +3

      Drop that K-tuber name. Asking for a friend

  • @mara-lia
    @mara-lia 4 місяці тому +1

    Lmao, I also immediately thought of Dreamcatcher when you mentioned the devil pose!

  • @wompwomp5327
    @wompwomp5327 4 місяці тому +3

    I stg it’s getting a little too obvious that these anti-fans are literal children. Everyone knows the devil hand symbol was used in rock bands since before even my dad was born. Most of the things badvillain is being accused of copying originated from hip hop in the 90s.

  • @NingKook000
    @NingKook000 5 місяців тому +11

    honnestly i checked their debut MV and there some scenes that remind me scenes of famous group but at least that the song is qualitative
    BM are mostly BP fans they feel treatned that BM aren't sucessufull as BP

    • @jada.177
      @jada.177 5 місяців тому +1

      i think this could be a factor to the hate, i mean it makes sense. I also have noticed that a lot of bm fans are bp too and i wonder if yg purposely gave bm the songs that they have to carter to blinks to satisfy them since we all know that bp arent coming out with music as a group anytime soon. if that's the case, i really think it will hurt bm more since there have been many groups debuting lately and we have somewhat new sounds coming from these groups. I feel like if the yg gave bm a certain sound from the beginning, the hate that bv is being given wouldn't be as severe. i wish the best for them regardless.

    • @NingKook000
      @NingKook000 5 місяців тому +2

      @@jada.177
      the problem is the fan whenever the agency chose they don't have the right to hate them
      i'm hug fan of aespa, i don't hate nmixx for JYP lack for creativity, the girls are talented an deserve better music
      and so BL
      i think YG would more gain more than lose if they give a more qualitative song and proper identity to BM they would gain a larger audiance
      and for Blinks BM is the little sisters of BP and since they aren't ready to have a comeback of BP sonn they are so hungry that they would consumme anything coming from YG even a horrible song as Sneakers

  • @idkidkidk170
    @idkidkidk170 2 місяці тому +2

    Being a Babymonster fan and calling another group boring and overdone is actually insane like…… who’s gonna tell them?

    • @wireshred
      @wireshred  2 місяці тому +1

      I'm not a fan of Bad Villian, but I dont need to be to point out the hypocrisy. My entire point is the kpop is cyclical. Calling any group totally original is an oxymoron which was my entire point.

  • @itsblingblingpop8636
    @itsblingblingpop8636 5 місяців тому

    I've been on this (and I mean kpop in general) fandom as a whole so it doesn't surprise me though it makes me really sad. Makes me think of a certain fandom who in the 2016-18s harassed two nugu groups one for.... getting rings as gifts from their ceo? and other for... having a lot of members in a single group. (if you know who i'm talking about you deserve a certified nugu fan badge)
    I wish the fandom changed but sadly it still hasn't.

  • @Lillyiani
    @Lillyiani 5 місяців тому

    4:45 I think it was about the type of echo-y sound when saying their group name

  • @mewwitchh
    @mewwitchh 5 місяців тому +2

    BM does have a very toxic fandom already. They are very quick to disrespect and write borderline abusive comments obsessively on any group that is doing better or almost as good as them.

    • @akuhappy3246
      @akuhappy3246 4 місяці тому

      Because most of them are BP fans that came to roots for BM. They need BM to succesful like BP to boost their pride. that just my opinion. Maybe it's wrong. Who knows

  • @syzygy888
    @syzygy888 3 місяці тому

    i still would love a badvillain song review tho

  • @syzygy888
    @syzygy888 3 місяці тому

    i think we have the same music taste lol

  • @FallforcupidD
    @FallforcupidD 5 місяців тому +4

    7:57 Dang, you were tired 😭 thanks for the great video despite that, lol 🩷

  • @iammooonnn
    @iammooonnn 5 місяців тому

    Thank you.

  • @sur_un_nuage
    @sur_un_nuage 5 місяців тому +1

    do people actually pay attention to random sounds in teasers and trailer films like ???

  • @TheCEOZadenWavess
    @TheCEOZadenWavess 5 місяців тому +4

    the reason they’re being targeted is because baby monster is on the rise heavily right now. And yes I do see a lot of similarities between the groups honestly I think this is one of those kpop things where groups use controversy instead of talent to get noticed. The red blacked out back ground really got me, cause yg has done this with their girl groups since 2ne1, it’s not about owning, NO ONE OWNS ANYTHING. It’s about respect and originality, even illit, baemon, and kiss of life have originality heavily in their group, this one Dosent, which why it’s running fans the wrong way and no one can’t deny that, you can hit me with all the possibilities; I’m jealous, toxic blah blah blah. But when it comes down to it the only thing they have original is their dancing and somewhat music, other than that no. Logo, name, members, pre debut photos, teasers, looks, all look in original and just used for controversy to get them noticed. That’s my thought.

    • @wireshred
      @wireshred  5 місяців тому +6

      I heavily disagree. Maybe I should've focused more on the concept of BV, but their teasers' pictures and films have a lot more of a comic book influence. Like in the traditional sense of a villain. The examples I used were what BM fans were hyperfocusing on and thereby removing the nuance of their concept. I stand by the general elements being too common to claim, though. You mentioned differences in dancing and songs not being enough set them apart, which is kinda silly. If not that, then what else?? Even the groups you named also don't have originality. They just adopted former concepts that have been abandoned for a time (maybe 2+ years). Or used concepts from the west (especially Kiss of Life, love them tho). This happened between blackjacks and blinks, then blinks and BM fans, and will happen to which ever groups follow them. People clown YG just because they're a bit more obvious with it but the kpop industry is not unique and reuses things constantly. It's common practice, so BV being called out feels like BM's fans shooting themselves in the foot. Like pot calling kettle black.

    • @TheCEOZadenWavess
      @TheCEOZadenWavess 5 місяців тому

      @@wireshred the only thing that sets bad villian apart is there dancing, their songs give heavy aespa influence, not that it’s a bad this it’s just an unoriginal thing considering they’re not in sm like aespa

    • @wireshred
      @wireshred  5 місяців тому +1

      @TheCEOZadenWavess Aespa? I will admit I'm not super familiar with their entire discography, but I have listened to most of their titletracks. I don't really see their incluence. Can I ask which song specially?

    • @TheCEOZadenWavess
      @TheCEOZadenWavess 5 місяців тому

      @@wireshred bad villian really. I haven’t heard the other one, outfits.. when it comes down to the music style and produce, you could’ve given this song to aespa and it would be a hit, it’s like an aespa song, idk how to explain it it just is, I’m not saying that it’s a bad thing again, it’s just ofd considering the fact this group could’ve gotten big with more originality, Dosent matter if the logo was created four years ago or if the group was planned years in advance, so is other groups but they still come out more original than this because I genuinely thought this was aespa or baby monster when it randomly played after Armageddon on my playlist until I looked at the name afterwards, the originality is not there for the group. I’ll give them there props for working with it and they’re a very great group but I really wish they would’ve given more originality in their production, because that would’ve set them apart from being what they’re targeted for. Other than that their dancing is pretty solid, still fresh group so improvement is always there for them but I see nothing really big to fix besides production, too similar to those groups production wise.

    • @wireshred
      @wireshred  5 місяців тому +1

      @TheCEOZadenWavess I meant which Aespa song, but that's fine. If we're talking about Bad Villiain, the song, then I really dont see it. Aespa haven't used classical pieces as samples like BV. BV did have a switch up the end but that's par for the course on a girl crush song. Aespa tend to sing more than they rap recently, so that's not similar. BV's styling is hip-hop esque while Aespa is futuristic, so that's not similar. Taking BV's other songs into account, they REALLY don't sound like Aespa. Regardless, about originality, I still don't see the musical connection with BM. Or any other group. If you don't like it, that's fine, say that. But making these loose connections to other groups don't make sense.

  • @erzsieke
    @erzsieke 5 місяців тому

    yesss!!!

  • @slay-day
    @slay-day 5 місяців тому +1

    After bullying illit not badvillan are yall okay?

    • @BaeYeonSae.
      @BaeYeonSae. 4 місяці тому +1

      Bad villain is the most hated gg for now after lesserafim and illit , i mean illit and lesserafim were bashed really hard but it's only about vocal , it's more like criticism mix hate but a mix of both , but bad villain? They were straight up getting bullied and hated on , labelling all the girls are ugly and so on it's really disheartening to see a girl group that just debuted not even 2 weeks already get an immense amount of hate

  • @Poop-pd9tg
    @Poop-pd9tg 2 місяці тому

    bbm rejects? LMAO I agree they have worse music than bbm but bbm don't even have good songs to begin with.

  • @timaalo154
    @timaalo154 5 місяців тому

    stop the cap