5 AWESOME SOUNDS FROM YOUR 18" BASS DRUM
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
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An 18" bass is not just for jazz. A very versatile drum and easy to carry around town. This will show you 5 wide raging sounds that you can apply to any drum . www.sticksandwires.com
0:25 Introduction-Insight
2:22 Rock Sound Explanation
3:44 Rock Sound Example
4:40 Disco Sound Explanation
5:54 Disco Sound Example
6:57 12/8 Ballad Sound Explanation
8:03 12/8 Ballad Sound Example
9:54 Traditional Jazz Sound Explanation
10:45 Traditional Jazz Sound Example
12:32 Low & Wide Open Explanation
13:43 Low & Wide Open Sound Example
14:53 Outro
10:58. Anyone else digging the swing on that excellent ride cymbal?
sounds sweet
Low! open-wide was the best IMO. Supercool
11:00 the unmuffled, both heads high. That is a musical instrument there. Even if you don't play bop, that sound is great.
Man that last sound is what I’m shootings for. Gonna work on tuning it right tomorrow and generate that thump
18" or 26" the 2 Bass drums in my setups if you can't do it with that then you can't do it.
Great tones.
Yep, the last one was exactly what our band Tripple Tree is looking for. Thanks so much!
I have a kit with an 18" kick and found the greatest change in sound came when I got it off the ground with a riser. It allows the beater to hit dead center and opens up the drum because it is no longer being "muffled" from sitting on the floor. I really wasn't expecting such a drastic change, but I had significant increase in volume and a lower fundamental pitch. BTW, that is a really NICE kick drum!!
Hey Zac. I just got an 18" and bought a riser. How did you compensate for the abilty to get the pedal close to the rim like when you don't use a riser? I find that I have to mess with the beater positioning to get the beater to hit the batter head properly. It is messing with the feel of the pedal for me. Any advice is appreciated!
@@ozziep123 I didn't have any issues. I did raise the front a little higher than the rear. This puts the head closer to the beater. I think the riser I use is a Gibraltar..adjustable height and clamps to the hoop. It works fine for me. No issue with chain rubbing the hoop and with the drum tilted back a little, the beater strikes at vertical
I like my 18x14 more without a riser! :)
Spot on...
Thanks for all the tips! My kick is a 18" and I also find it very versatile.
small kicks are so underrated, i have a 24" and a 14" and the 14 is so punchy it's ridiculous, mic'd up with some muffling and EQ I almost prefer it to bigger drums even for rock
Excellent video. Trying to improve my tuning game and this helps. Thanks so much
1:37 Dog on the other side of the window gives up. Love the video! And the sound from that snare in your last example, holy crap!
Thanks a lot, switched to 18" for life, very helpful video
Thank you for taking the time to make these videos. They are very informative. Keep"em coming!!
You're welcome Tony...thanks for watching. Share to anyone who may dig it!
Fantastic video dude! Great sounds, great playing!
Thanks for the video! I agree with you - I loved the tone of the low wide open bass drum the best. I am looking for a smaller kit and your video showed that an 18 is really pretty versatile!
Yeah, that final tuning was seriously fantastic!
I love my 18" birch, too. But I switched to a ported (4") front to get rid of the beater recoil when I dig in. I tune very low and listeners are surprised when they realize the big boom is coming from a tiny bebop kit and I just tell them it's all in the tuning. I'm very petite, so my kit with the 10/14" toms and 13" snare also look proportional when I'm sitting on it.
What kind of kit do you have? I'm thinking of either gretch catalina club or tama club jam flyer which is really small.
In my opinion, 18 inch is perfect especially for the studio. It really blends in well with music. In my experience it can get tuned deep and boomy or light and sweet. I like the Evans Calftone head as my favorite so far. Big size 22 inch is totally unnecessary unless if you want that distinctive sound or maybe for live on stage for more volume
Thank you so much! This is the video I've been looking for. Very useful, fit someone who was sick of having a huge 22" BD and just bought a Canopus bop kit, I was worried I'd never be able to get a big sound. This video has reassured me and demonstrated just how versatile a smaller drum can be! Great pacing and balance of information/comparative listening. Also, nice mics placement/mix!
Thanks for the video. Love the Disco sound!
Looks like I'm three years late, but this video is amazing! You really show off the versatility of an 18. Also, beautiful drum. That color is stunning. I'd be interested to hear the difference of a nice mahogany shell. Thanks for the video!
GREaT VIDEO... i agree with you on the versatility of the 18..... been playing one for years!
this was very informative and well explained exactly what i was looking for thank you , you got my sub 👍
I have a Gretsch Catalina club jazz kit with an 18” kick drum and I love it!!!
Same here brother
What heads did you go with in the end? What sound did you go for/what did you get?
@@chrisburt3392 stock w/ felt strip. Old school punch!
Another fascinating vid, Blair! The 12/8 tuning was especially pleasant to my ears. That last snare sound was awesome as well. I love how you encourage us all to experiment with our gear and see what it can really do. Thank you for the inspiration!
Thanks Buck! Much appreciated...share it with your drummer friends!
I saw where one rock drummer bought two bop kits to play hard rock and metal live!! Uhh lots of early rockabilly, rock n roll and blues was played on small kits!!
I love this guy, no wonder he get's so many gigs.
Love this video! I've watched it a few times over the last while - lots of great information. Just recently got an 18" and really enjoying seeing what I can get out of it. Love your playing too! Thanks!!!
18” bass drum is the only size I use. For my playing I find it most manageable but I only play drums in the studio.
Thanks for the video. Great Jazz feeling.
I am looking at buying a first drum set for myself and also one for a church i attend; seeing the possibilities with a smaller bass drum was quite useful. I liked the last two the most but that's just me. Thanks for sharing this.
You´re killing it with these vids, man... Thanks!
Thank you! Tell your friends!
LOVE that low tuning at the end!
Thanks for this video Man! I was looking for the same sound that you got in the final part close to keith Carlock bassdrum sound
Great video, very helpful. I'm inspired to experiment with different tunings on my 18" BD, which I do love.
Thanks Kirk...happy to inspire!
Wow, extremely useful video. A huge thanks mister✋
Bruh, your drumming is freaking insane! Not just the tone but the actual skill and technique involved....DAMN!
Thank you!
No Toms....and sounds fantastic!
Really great video, Blair! Thanks for adjusting the levels between speech and drums this time! :)
haha...you're welcome!!
Henrik Hansson Great video. I started playing a bebop kit about six months ago and I was floored by the punchiness of the 18" bass. Even the 12 & 14 in. Toms if tuned properly produce a thunder frankly I hadn't expected. It's opened up my diversity in every way. I can play a rock/blues gig one night, retune everything up an octave and play jazz the next night without changing kits or heads. Good job showing how an 18" bass can be exploited to cover a wide variety of sounds.
Awesome video! Subscribed, thanks!
All about the tuning for sure. I used an 18 playing in metal bands for years and always got compliments on tone. Of course now that I'm older and mellower I'm using a 24
i'm starting work on an 18" tom to bass drum conversion, this is great reference material for the future.
I like the sound Jazz wise ,sweet and it was interesting ,Thanks
Awesome video Blair! I’m on my way to getting an 18er!
Very cool. Thanks!
awesome work dude, greetings from argentina.
Subscribed. Excellent site. Mega helpful
Tim...cant find your recent question about the lugs in the comments here. But I don't really have a good answer for you on 6 or 8 lugs...Obviously more lugs gives you more control...never tried one with 6 lugs though.
Love this!
great blues feel
Was not loving my 18" for the last 2 years, was ready to trade it back to a 24 inch. I did mess around with the tunings but maybe I'll change my beater and give that a go for a bit. Thank you !!
Super video! Good info about 18» bass drums.
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Nice 'Bruford ring' on da snare !
Love the video and the time spent on the often overlooked but incredibly versatile 18" bass drum.
Are you able to tell us what drumheads were used on this drum?
Thank you, that was wonderful.
Thanks for the comment' Daniel!
Granted, you're a talented musician & could make a toy drum set sound great. However, your paradigm and performance is remarkable. Your very welcome.
Thanks for the video. Which ride is it it sounds very well
I had the stank face on listening to that last tuning. Sweet stuff.😀
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Nice video, The reason i stayed was because of the fact that you lowkey look like Chris potter so i felt you had wisdom. Indeed you did!
impressive Bonham'ish tuning on the last one... Considering the size, thumbs up
Great vid. Very useful. I was wondering how much difference is there in tone between coated or clear heads on the Bass drum. Do you ever use clear heads for your 18" and if so what kind of musical situations?
Cheers for the vid.
Really loving the content Blair, thanks! I've got a 20x12 bass drum that I got recently for small club gigs and I'm struggling to get a good sound out of it. I'm playing Top 40 stuff and wondering which one of the above tunings I should try? Thanks again!
Hi Rafael- Well, just by saying Top 40...but not really knowing what era of music you're playing my only guess is to go for a low punchy sound. Really the point of these videos is to get you experimenting on your own. Try and get a few of these sounds (or any you might stumble upon) and see what works for you and the band. What sound do you dig? What sound works in the band? Do some exploring. Let me know what you find! Thanks!
Thanks, Blair!
Thanks for checking it out Tim.
Great video. If I'm using a front skin with a hole for a mic, should have this tight or loose for a rock sound?
Great.
i need a 18' kick now
I noticed something you didn't mention is do you or do you not bury your beater into the head. I noticed that you don't. Which will typically give more of an opened more boom sound then when you bury your beater. I have a 18X18 Maple Keller shell kick drum with a 1-inch port. I use a Tama rubber beater on a DW 3000 pedal and I bury my beater and hit hard heal up. I also tune my batter side the same as my resonant side. I simply put a towel and a cinder block in the middle of the head and tighten each lug until every wrinkle is gone, then a quarter-turn more and that's it. I've been using this process with this kick drum for about 20 years now. and I cannot tell you how many compliments I get and how shocked other drummers are when they see that it's an 18 inch kick drum. Just food for thought and thanks for all the tips 🤘
Agreed...burying the beater will give you a different tone in any tuning.
Hey Blair, just found your channel, and it's great! At about 12:20, when you were doing your favorite tuning, low and wide open, with a flurry of beats, it reminded of hearing big booming fireworks from a distance.... very kool! One last thing, please tell me about your fabulous ride cymbal..... Thanks and Blessings!!
Thank you tmaddrummer...That Ride is the now discontinued Matt Chamberlain signature...quite close to an Agop Signature but a little more definition. Thanks for writing!
I've watched several of your videos during the past 2 hours, and I've learned so much already. I'm just a Drummer, if that, and I am truly amazed by your vast knowledge of finding and creating and recording so many colorful and articulate drum and cymbal sounds..... I am amazed, and grateful to you and your channel. I also love the 18" Bass, and Istanbul Agop cymbals. I am currently searching for a sound that I only know it when I hear it, and various Agop cymbals most likely what I hope to build a small cymbal palate around, but it's hard to do because they are just not available in most Drum Shops and I really don't have any shops close by. Anyway, thanks again, and it's a pleasure finding your channel... Blessings!
Would have been nice to hear it with some portholes. Last sound I liked but I imagine there’d be a ton of beater rebound.
nice vid. soundcard, recording gear, eq used?
Yea agree, the late great Charlie Charles of the blockheads used 18 bd, and it cut through a big loud band.
Charlie was a class act, and he and Norman Watt-Roy brought the FUNK in that band.
@@Kmarty2000 yea saw blockheads in Dublin around 79,one of the best gigs ever, I also followed Norman with willow for years happy x mas
only 2 mikes ? One for kick and one for all stuff ( the one above the bass drum ? ) ?
Also , what is the head drum used on the kick drum ?
thanks !
This is awesome info! I loved the various tones you were able to get. I'm going to do some experimenting on my 18" DW bop kit now that I've seen this. I've been pretty happy using an Emad batter and stock DW reso. When you use the wood beater, do you use patches to protect the head or just let the head wear? The first time I used my Danmar wood beater it didn't take long to put serious wear in the head. Also, do you use different batter heads on the bass drum for different sounds or just stick with a favorite? Thanks!
Thanks Erich. Usually only use a patch on my kick heads if I'm touring. I also let the beater rebound from the head which might help the life of it. I do use different batter heads but more on different drums as opposed to changing heads on one drum. That way I know what each drum's sound is. Then I pick the drum and tune it according to that. Thanks for your questions.
Great with some inspiration to an 18” BD! Do you use a riser for the bass drum?
I just subscribed. I like what you are doing here. I am considering starting with the drums and wonder what you might advise in a bass drum size so that I eliminate, as much as possible, having to manipulate the sounds too much right from the start. My likes are prettty wide, which may complicate things. I tend to like Classic Rock (Beatles, the Who, Sweet, Alex Van Halen come to mind) of the late 60s to early 80s, and the stuff that Hal Blaine drummed on a bit earlier than that.
Kind of depends on what type of music you'll be playing but I feel as though a 22' is a great standard size.
Nice video! I like your example of the bop tuning, i've been trying to achieve that sound for years, however on my 18" bass drum i get very little low end and a lot of ringing overtones when i tune it high. How do you tune the front and batter head in relation to each other, are they the same pitch? also what heads do you use? i have coated ambassadors on both sides.
Hi, Thanks! Getting the heads close to the same pitch is helpful and cuts down on odd overtones..just like a tom or smaller drum. Or, just like in the video do some experimenting with where the front head sounds good with where the batter head is tuned (or vice versa) and see if you can find a sweet spot. I often find that the drum will "open up" at certain pitches or tuning relations. Ambassadors are great for the front head... like a P3 usually on the batter. Has a nice low tone fundamentally and plenty of resonance. Keep searching the tuning..my guess is that you'll find the low end.
Great video! Did you need a bass drum riser to allow the pedal beater to contact the head?
DW has a riser that comes on the bottom of the drum. Thank you!
That last tweak was sweat sounding to me. Lots of gut-punch.
i've been thinking about an 18 inch kick. now i know. that's what i want. awesome video!!! BUT what about those headphones? tell us more please!
they are www.gk-music.com/product/ultraphones/ Really great isolation and not too much high end which is nice if you're wearing them for long periods of time...less fatigue.
WOW! that was a fast reply.... i'll look into them. my hearing needs saving...you should do a video on them and how they work. not anything on yt on the headphones. just to pass on the info. thanks!
Dang it, man. Nice grooves. Especially love that last Bonham like beat...from an 18! I have an 18” Fibes bass drum I keep meaning to put to use...always thought I should have a 20” kick instead, but not after listening hear! I have a 6 pc matching Fibes kit with a 22”...but I picked this stray 18” on the side, and well, it’s time to get some action out of that drum. Thank you! Great video.
i have a 20x18 bass drum with EMAD2 and a single ply head at the resonant, inside it's muffled with a pillow and some sheets, sounds perfect for hip hop. Any recomendation to have a nice sound in a jazz situation? i think revoming the sheets and toughen the heads it would work.
You got it Miguel, open it up and tune it up!
remove the muffling. Play it open, but it lightly.
Hey Blair, great video! Is this a DW Collectors bass drum?
fuzzy Gear -thanks for checking it out! It’s a DW Classics BD.
Amazing sound!! Great videos!!! Just subscribed :)
Thank you!
I can see it's a Remo head. Is it an Ambassador? Emperor?
my most fave as well ... i got 18x16 ... full front head ... hate hole in the front .... kills all the resonance .... not a fan of 22kick which is too generic ....
I use a 22. I had a set with a 20" kick. PS3. Kick pach , solid front head. No muffling, tuned high. Great sound, pedal rebound. Super easy to move around. I miss it.
Which drum heads are you using in the video? ... by the way, very useful tips!
Batter head is a Remo P3 and the front head is a coated Ambassador. Thanks Cesar!
Im looking to finish building my 18" BD very soon. That ride is beautiful! what make and size is it, if you dont mind?
Istanbul Agop 20" Turk
What beater head do you have on?!
Which snare and bass drums did you use? I mean the model, I need to know please :)
the bass drum is a DW Classics. The snares were an Ayotte 3x13 and a Slingerland Radioking 5x14.
Ehy Sinta, could you please tell me the brand and model of your cymbals?
Those are Istanbul Agop cymbals...the hats in this video 30th Anniversary (15") ..Crash 18" Epoch and ride is a 20" Turk.
Dig!
I think Purdie used an 18" frequently
What are some bass drum beaters you like?
These videos are great. :)
I just use DW beaters. Wood, hard felt, soft felt. It's really about the sound for me so I haven't done much exploring of beaters beyond that. Thanks Dexter!
I wrapped a deep fleece fabric round my felt beater, it gives a much deeper sound... love it!
Love my 18” compared to my 22”.
Don’t put a hole in the front head or a thick Powerstroke on the beater side.
Learn how to play it without planting the beater.
I also use a wood beater.
The best heads I’ve found are called Dynaton made for Taye Drums.
If you do want a dead Rock sound out a drum, then get a 22” or a 24” preferably by 14” deep.
If you have to get it out of an 18” then yes get a Powerstroke beater head with a small pillow or towel touching both heads lightly with a ported front head.
That kills the fun of an 18” but you might need to do that depending on the sound you need.
(Edit: And get a riser so that the beater hits closer to the middle.)
I’m looking at a kit with an 18x20 kick. I’ve been worried it won’t be loud enough.. I just started playing in a funk band (guitar, keys, bass, sax, drums). Wondering if anyone has experienced a similar dilemma. I just don’t want to be disappointed in the volume of the kick. It doesn’t need to be absolutely massive but I like to tune low. Any advice/experience? Thanks!
Usually smaller drums tuned higher cut more. It's always tricky to compete against non-acoustic instruments. If you're mic'ed up it shouldn't matter. If you're just playing acoustically hopefully your bandmates can find a medium with you. Obviously you'll need to lay into the drum though (regardless of size) if it's a loud situation.
12:44 👍👍
My new 18 inch is flat on the ground but the pedal beater doesn't hit flush. Its at a slight angle and the middle to top make contact with the head. Any tips to make it hit flush? Thanks!
A few companies build lifters. That should solve your issue.
Mind me asking what model headphones are you using?
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this no rocket science my man but this a solid music based review
What head do you have on your bass drum
Renaissance P3
What can I do with a 16" kick?
You should be able to get the exact same sounds. I have a 16" kick that sounds incredible.
Thanks! Nice drums and I adore that ride cymbal!
Me too...ha!
Use it as a tom.
What about a 12 inch kick?
Before watching this video I was fairly certain that I'd never get a good sound out of an 18" kick. Now I am absolutely certain.
What kit is this?
The BD is a DW Classics. Changing snares in and out through.
Is that an Electro-Voice 635a?
jimflip -yes!
hi , sounds good , I'm looking for a drummer who would collaborate with an overseas basist . I'd send you well recorded bas lines and if it speaks to you drop some drums on it and so on until it can be called music . How about that ? Greetings from Mediterranean
I would love to do some collaborating if you’re still interested!
cat says last tuning it's the best.