I'm really surprised how many people don't understand the Mae 'switch'. She tells you in the show. "my loyalty isn't to your master, it's always been to my sister". She's killing these Jedi because she believed they killed her sister... Now that she is alive, that is pretty essential information in regards to her motivation as to why she is killing Jedi.
Appreciate that but remember that she wanted to kill Osha. So, unless she was manipulated back then how does that make sense? She has certainly seen things on Brendok that we haven't seen in the show. I really like the theory that she is manipulating her master right there, making him kill Kelnacca, which makes her succeed with the task to kill Jedi without a weapon.
@@hoos3014 I don’t know if her switching had a lot to do with what happened on Brendack. Mae thought her sister died or disappeared. But I agree that we need to wait until the show ends.
@@NinoMakosShe wanted to kill Osha because she wanted to leave Mae. Mae only ever wanted Osha to remain with her on Brendack. Even at the end of Episode 3 she expected her to be at the tree. So to me, I think that her 180 makes sense. She loves her sister and wants to be back to her. Plus, I have a feeling that Episode 3 is the events as Osha remembers them and is fragmented or incorrect. Im pretty sure that we're going to see it from Mae's side and then a third time from a neutral perspective.
Mae’s turn works for me. She didn’t kill the witnesses in ep 1. In episode 2 she visibly softened when she saw Osha. Sol says that when he told Mae Osha is alive she turned into a different person. I interpreted that to mean she had hope for a second before denial. In the last few days she has received new information to change her motivation. No more revenge but hope instead
I dont think its the heel-turn, I think it's the quick heel-turn, or what feels like a quick heel-turn for her motivation that's angering some people. But yeah, it does make sense to me. Mae obviously has anger issues, which makes her an ideal candidate for tapping dark side energy and using it effectively to kill Jedi. Im not gonna be surprised if we've already seen her master, but if its too obvious who this master is, I think some people are gonna be like "REALLY? THAT CHARACTER!?" Im still stumped as to who Mae's master really is, but I have my suspicions. And Im loving the breadcrumbs they're leaving us, a little here a little there, weaving the web of mystery further and further. The show feels more like a mystery than a Star Wars property should, but for me personally .... it's working very well! But I've seen enough Agatha Christie and Hercule Poirot adaptations to appreciate a good whodunit. But a whodunit in the Star Wars universe! BRING IT ON!
My theory is that we are dealing with three Sith. An acolyte an apprentice and a Master. The apprentice is training the acolyte in preparation to challenge the Master
I think people's feeling that Mae's switch came out of nowhere is what this show is doing so well - it's really revealing our preconceived notions about what is happening and what people's intentions are. We see red lightsaber and black cloak and immediately assume 'sith', we see Mae learning from them and immediately assume 'Mae wants to be a sith and gain power and control through the dark side', we see Mae attacking a Jedi 'for no reason' at a bar and assume she's just killing random jedi because that's what sith do, and we see her liking the witches who we assume to be evil dark siders because they aren't jedi despite the fact we never see them do a single dark side or harmful thing. (and by 'we' I mean people who are giving in to those preconceived notions and holding to them despite the evidence rather than interrogating their assumptions) Mae didn't kill a single civilian in the bar - she was ONLY going after Indara - whom she believed murdered her entire family. In any other property, someone getting justice by hunting down those who killed their family would be considered a protagonist who's murder is at least justified by the narrative. She even sat down and talked with Torbin and he killed himself - no mind tricks necessary, just him facing his own guilt - so Mae has some truth to her belief the Jedi did something wrong on Brendok. People keep pointing to 'she wanted to kill Osha last episode!!' yet those were the words of an 8 year old terrified her family was being ripped apart AND very clearly from Osha's POV which I have a feeling was skewed. If her whole deal was she didn't want Osha taken away from her, why in the world would a grown ass Mae now want to kill her sister she's just found out is alive and there's the chance they can be together again? I think our preconceived notion is that anyone on the 'darker' side of the force will only have their emotions lead them to doing bad things rather than good, but love can lead people back to the light and away from the darkness too (hello Darth Vader). I just think it's great that the show is really just handing us situations and not really making it clear 'these good guys - root for them no matter what; those bad guys - they're bad no matter what' but rather just saying 'yup - these are things that are happening. Messy, huh? Let's see what they do about it'
@DRFOP There is no evidence of any Sith presence. They do not suspect that at all. Not all dark side users are Sith, either. Frankly, even if his line turns out to be a lie I'm totally fine with it, especially given that he's part of Master Rwoh's black ops squad here that freely keeps things from the High Council.
The only thing I can think of regarding Mae's abrupt 180. I think it's part of the twins' connection they have. The closer they get, the more they start experiencing each other's aura. Osha's powers start coming back online, and Mae's gaining back her humanity.
I was able to accept Mae’s turn cuz that definitely was not her threading to kill Osha and she has a whole different perspective on that event. And also…Vader turned very quickly too cuz of his family….so….
This episode was like finishing your soup or salad waiting for your main entree when you think you see it coming and it last minute turns out it’s actually for the other table.
LOL yeah pretty much. The Disney+ shows have been taking their sweet ass time and just burning their run times with characters talking and doing nothing. Bad Batch majorily had this problem, Mando season 3 had this problem, and Ashoka at times had this problem. Andor surprisingly did not even with its 12 episodes. There was a lot of talking but everything they were saying was compelling. Can't wait for season two.
There's Kelnacca fighting in the trailer so probably episode 7 (same director as episode 3) will be another flashback that tells us more. Mundi=yes, Koon=nope.
@@danielbinks954 are you sayin certain person so you dont spoil it... Its a shame how this series has people that most are interested to see.. and they are both now dead Carrie ann Moss and a wookie as a Jedi.... Could have sold a series idea on htat alone
@danielbinks954 just checking cause I didn't wanna ruin it for them after you didn't ruin it for them😅 Just checking if you saw him on the vehicle too... cough cough
Yeah…..we also have a scene from one of the trailers with young Torbin and someone else going at high speeds on speeders through a forest…..? Maybe that’ll all be in Episode 7, the one with the same director as Episode 3 (the other “flashback” episode).
The statement Ki-Adi-Mundi makes in TPM is still canonically intact. All he sees in the holo video is a weaponless (well, maybe daggers) Force user fighting Sol (and maybe Indara). Nowhere in the recordings we see KAM see, is there a red light saber wielding Sith. Vernestra even mentions that it must have been a Jedi that trained Mae (though maybe that actually is foreshadowing the possibility that the Sith master is masquerading as a Jedi?). If the Jedi don't make it back, the statement is still intact. If there are Jedi that survive Khofar, maybe they pivot to burying this event under the rug b/c they're afraid of the political fallout? Something they've spoken of multiple times before. Guess we'll find out.
The Jedi believe the Sith has been extinct for 900 years by the time of Acolyte. It's just so unthinkable, any hint of Sith activity observed would be misconstrued to be rogue Jedi in origin, regardless of whether the Sith Lord in question was ever a member of the Jedi.
Sorry, but that not right. Your citing the Star Wars Extended Universe (or the Legends books and comic books) George Lucas has stated that I've not read the Star Wars Extended Universe, it is it own thing. However the Star Wars Extended Universe is not cannon.
I have been more excited about this than anything since Phantom Menace, maybe The Force Awakens. I'm really into it and love the slow build of mystery. It's refreshing it's not centered around something to do with the Skywalker family.
it is Ki Adi Mundi and people are upset. However, they are citing legends and stating he shouldn't be alive. we all know that legends is no longer canon. Also they are still upset about his line in phantom menace were he says the sith have been extinct for a long time. However, in this episode, he doesn't go on the mission so he is still not aware of the dark side user. the group is speculating Mae was trained by a jedi or a splinter order and notice they all agree to keep the circle small. he is willing to partake in a cover up. all the haters are so quick to see something they don't like but they are failing to understand the details/hints in the dialogue. i love this channel for being a safe place to have a conversation. people think they know everything about star wars but are using invalid information 🤣🤣
But the thing is, if anyone survives he should absolutely know that there is a sith or dark jedi on the loose. If everyone dies, then he knows that something killed almost a dozen Jedi. So he’s either lying to cover up his and other Jedis’ mistakes and is willing to cover it up even at the expense of Quigon, Obiwan, Anakin, and Padme’s lives or he’s genuinely clueless about the presence of the Sith by the time Maul rolls around. So hes a selfish person who doesn’t care about the lives of others or he’s just an idiot. It’s tough to think that a Jedi council member could be so aggressively idiotic.
@@philneezy Whatever order, sect, or religion this character is a part of doesn’t matter. The point is that Mundi potentially had evidence or at least suspicion that a dark side user in the phantom menace may be related to one he had heard about nearly a hundred years prior. Maul was not confirmed to be sith when Quigon made his report. So Mundi essentially took information that almost a dozen Jedi died to this dark side user and did not think to warn Quigon or the council about a very dangerous dark side user. He didn’t request for more Jedi to back Quigon and Naboo because he’d rather them all die than to reveal something that would embarrass him and other Jedi.
@@MrTREEHUNTER22 lmao what evidence that they're related? With all of the information that we have so far, we know that the Jedi believe the Sith to be extinct for 900 years at the time of The Acolyte. Ki-Adi has watched a holo video of a girl fighting Sol who looks like she's been trained by a Jedi. Why would he just assume that all of a sudden the person was trained by a Sith who have been extinct for 900 years? It could be anything. The conversation in The Phantom Menace is Qui-Gon saying that he thinks it's a Sith with no evidence. Ki-Adi and Mace are like "bro what?" Qui Gon: He was trained in the Jedi arts. My only conclusion can be that it was a Sith Lord. Ki-Adi: Impossible. The Sith of an extinct for a millennium. Mace: I do not believe the Sith could have returned without us knowing.
How people who claim to not like something watch it every week so they can go on review show pages and tell everyone who doesn’t care they don’t like it, that they don’t like it, it amazes me because they are out there every week watching something they simply don’t have to watch.
Because they don't watch it. The rating for the show was already in the trenches before the first episode even aired. It's nonsense sadly. People are just mad to be mad, not because of the actual show :(
@zulawoo I know it's disgusting they're rigging the numbers by doing that and guess what's going to probably happen because of the ratings they're gonna cancel the Dawn Of The Jedi movie cause they think we perfer to stay within The Skywalker Saga so in a sense they are killing Star Wars not Disney
Whats the matter guys? You didn't like seeing the Jedi hiking through the woods all episode? By the way, the writers wanted to use YODA instead of Mundi in the show, but Dave Filoni said No. Dave saved Yoda's entire character integrity with that one. But here's my ultimate gripe with the show...it seems like the show is trying to bend Star Wars to fit their story, instead doing the research and creating a story to reinforce the tone set by future SW events (Ex: Tales of the Jedi). This just feel likes the "Secret Invasion" show all over again, where in that show they created this OP character that really shouldnt exist. My point is that the nuisance of good writing is to blend things into a story seamlessly. This show is failing to do that so far. But there's still 4 eps right??
Damn, Hector really hit it on the head at 1:15 for me. I just finished episode 5 and was 😳🤩 (if you know you know) and went to check what others thought about it. Then I was immediately reminded of what online Star Wars talk is like nowadays… so demoralizing, especially when we’re now getting stuff prior to episodes 1-9. Wish we could appreciate what we’re getting more😔🤷♂️
Thank you for allowing those of us who choose to enjoy Star Wars content to have a safe place to express that enjoyment. I refuse to remain silent, because this world needs more positivity, even if just about a TV show. And for those sharing their negative views of the show, which you have every right to have those thoughts and opinions, just remember that it does not excuse the toxicity being spread. So please, just stop.
So many people, not just the SW Fandom, have a hard time saying "I just didn't enjoy it" or "it's not for me" instead of the garbage they spew out into the world.
Hector is totally on point on the farming rage for engagement in the de-evolution of social media in '24. I'd add not just young people. Old geezers in their 40's and 50's who worship George Lucas on a shrine don't want their scriptures altered jump on the bad wagon of hell.
TIL I'm an old geezer (or old maid, since I'm a woman an in my mid 40s)😅 That said, I noticed the farming rage on YT the minute the acolyte show started. It's annoying and I just straight up ignore it and just block whatever algorithm decided I should take a look at it.
Do people really think that "the sith havent been seen in blah blah blah" actually meant that there were zero sith in the galaxy? I always figured they were in deep hiding and gaining strength. It's not unreasonable to hide, at most, two force users imo.
There are a few channels that aren’t full of hate and vitriol. Outside of Heroes Reforged, I watch Kyle Katarn, Blind Wave, Reel Rejects. All non-grifters lol hope this helps!
@HeroesReforged, 7:33 I agree with what Adam is seeing about Ki-Adi-Mundi, but we need to keep in mind that the head of the security council, Vernestra heavily implied that they are facing a rogue Jedi. We can see that she's trying to keep this development under cover and known to this small few. Sure, Ki-Adi-Mundi and another Jedi looked towards Sol and Vernestra when she questioned him about the past, but we can safely assume that what will transpire moving forward will resolve in a way that won't require the Jedi Council or Jedi to assume that a Sith was ever involved. What does a Sith look like? The Jedi don't know. How do we know that? Jecki response, "What's that?" as well as that of the other Jedi with her. The Sith aren't the only Dark Side users of the Force in Star Wars and we've known that for a long time. Witchcraft in Star Wars has always been a Dark Side of the Force power, which explains why Darth Sidious and Darth Tyranus kept going back to Dathomir for apprentices, as Dark Side of the Force users don't need conversion. Witches aside, Palpatine has always had a warlock look to him. His decrepit body, bony fingers, yellow eyes, dark robes, and walking stick scream warlock! Palpatine even shoots Force-Lightning from his fingertips like a witch casts spells. Surely, Feloni showing Palpatine standing before what looks like a witch's cauldron when he found Ezra in the World Between Worlds wasn't an accident. The Sith and the Witchcraft are aligned in the Force, and last week's episode drove that point home when Mother Aniseya described her coven's witchcraft with the exact same words Palpatine used in Revenge of the Sith when he explained the Dark Side of the Force to Anakin during the opera, "Dark" and "Unnatural." Heck, another parallel was drawn when the story eluded to Osha and Mae's birth happening the same way Anakin's did! The Force is heavily regulated by the Jedi and the Galactic Republic. The Jedi deem what's legal use of it and what isn't. I assume that the witches were being persecuted and hunted because their use of the Force went against regulations. The Sith aren't the only Dark Side users. Witches and Sith are aligned in their philosophies of the Force. With books of the Force behind lock and key behind the protected walls of the Jedi temple, it makes sense that the Sith and witches would trade/share knowledge. With everyone else against them, it makes sense that they would rely on one another from time to time. Did Mother Koril fear the Jedi on Brendok or did she fear the Sith Lord there finding out that they were talking with a Jedi? 13:46 regardless of how this scene plays out. Mae solved her problem. How do you kill a Jedi without using a weapon? Manipulation! Get someone else to do it for you. We learned last episode that if Mae and Qimir's master found out that Mae got help killing Torbin that things would end well for both of them. How would things go for Qimir after explaining to their master that Mae dipped? It is in his best interest to kill Kelnacca and get Mae back on the up and up for the both of them. 14:04 Why? She lived a life believing the Jedi were responsible for her sister's death. She found out that the Jedi were truthful and that her sister was alive last episode. Everything that she believed to be true, her motivations, were turned on their head. why move forward with a plan that no longer holds meaning? She wanted revenge for her sister's death. That doesn't work if Osha is alive. That cliffhanger though, lol.
14:22 - I think she had been thinking of doing that the whole time, she just needed to be led most of the way there. 16:04 - Lost a wookie but gained a bazil😊.
Kalnacca will be back, the next episode is another flashback -- it's the Roshamon episode where we get to see another view of what happened on Brendok. Sorry, but we probably won't get to see this saber fight for two weeks. Also, there may not be a fight - the only person the Dark Master needs to kill now is Sol. He just might do that and jet out of there.
I think the second flashback is episode 7 (same director and writer as episode 3). I think next week’s episode will be titled “night” and will continue on from this episode
I don't see the non-episodic angle as much as you guys. The one where we meet Mae and Osha, the one where we recover Osha, the flashback to Osha and Mae's childhood...the episodes are pretty distinct in my mind. There's also a difference in setting and direction. It's not as episodic as traditional network TV, but it's more episodic than most limited series.
I'm guessing Qimir is actually the titular Acolyte of the show. He was tasked with sowing discord within the Jedi and he is using Mae to do it. That would explain why his garb is not up to the normal Sith standard and could be written off by the Jedi as not a real Sith so as not to screw with the what Master Mundi says in Episode 1.
There's internal inconsistencies and bad editing. Those are my issues. All the lore stuff and whatever is fine. People are allowed to not like this for legitimate reasons.
I recall in one teaser trailer a two second clip of our Wookie Jedi fighting another Jedi in the witches domain. Something tells me at least he got taken over and things didn't go well for all. I can't remember but at the end of episode 3 when Osha was being comforted on the ship, if the wookie was in frame.
Mundi isn’t the best of Jedis; he could well have said that in Ep. 1 knowing full well, there’d been instances to suspect the existence of siths…just saying
@@michaelrodgernow I can see a version of that scene where he's clearly covering and the other jedi wonder why he's exagerating. "the sith? No, I've never even heard of them and if I had it certainly wouldn't have been in the last 100 years or so"
I only watch you guys and Blind Wave for this content, you guys and them have at least good critiques and explaining stuff rather than just straight up hating on it just because :)
I think thats because they dont let Legends and old stuff blind there viewing and are open to change. Its the whole "This isnt my Canon" When nothing has really broken canon even from whats considered Canon. Just expands on it and makes you think in my opinion. Doesnt mean the show is perfect by any margin but it isnt utter trash.
To be fair I'm glad you guys are enjoying the show and I don't stand with mindless hate but this show is not very good imo. I think some of the people discussing it have fair complaints...
My theory is that, much like the Jedi were drawn to the specialness/strength of the twins, Osha and Mae, I wonder if the Sith was drawn to Osha and Mae, too. Then, took advantage of the chaos the night of the fire, maybe even responsible for the fire or the level of destruction given what we see. And I'm pretty convinced that it was the Sith that dispatched all the sisters and villagers given the power of their collective since we don't see any of them burned so death by fire seems unlikely. And if Mae didn't see the Sith, she'd naturally blame the Jedi. As for the likely identity of the Sith master? The two obvious candidates seem to be Qimir and Koril. With Koril, we already know she harbored animosity towards the Jedi and we don't ever see her body in the wreckage that night and she seems to be a powerful Force user on her own. With Qimir, we've seen the master who sit right under the nose of their apprentice (or soon to be) before, not to mention we saw him easily fend off Mae in ep 2. He also begs the Jedi not to mind probe him when he's caught which would give away his real identity. Kelnaca appears to have been killed by the Sith and w/o resistance which makes me think it's one of two things. He knew the identity of the Sith and was comfortable around them. That seems to exclude Qimir and maybe even Koril. Could it be one of the Jedi? On the other hand, could the food he ate have been poisoned so that he could be incapacitated and then dispatched easily? Who do we know that deals in poisons? I have another option that seems a bit far fetched. Koril and Qimir are the master and acolyte; either could be the master and the other the acolyte. This whole time, we've been thinking that Mae is the acolyte, but Qimir also mentions that the master collects people and Mae may just be one of them. And this whole time, we've also been assuming that Darth Why-So-Serious, grinning helmet guy is the Sith master... What if he's the Sith apprentice/acolyte? And we haven't seen the master yet. Just some thoughts.
great theory! as u said , im sure there was more sith related events happening in Brendok... I was thinking the show would be borrowing the story depicted in The old republic comic series with Zayne Carrick . The sith were at brendok with the witches. They helped with the virgin birth scenario to breed warriors or some dyad with the force. This was sensed by the jedi who were sent there to investigate.. finding the witches there, they prolly assumed they were the source of the disturbance in the force. Mayb they decided to wipe the witches' off ( that is where the comic similarity ends )but upon seeing the kids, they decided to take them away first. With Osha already leaving, The jedis then infiltrated the castle to kill off the witches but the sith triggered the explosion. Mayb the three other jedis were fighting off the witches while Sol was looking for osha. Hence why Torbin was in guilt as he assumed his act off killing of the witches made things worse as he was just following orders. The sith then saved Mae and brainwashed her to show the destruction made by the jedi. The reason i speculate this is coz 1. Koril heard a sound over the reactor and went to check, had she been a sith or conspiring with them, it wouldnt be surprising... 2. the sith were taking revenge for killing of the witches/ mayb for seperating the dyad.. 3. Clearly qmir is the apprentice .. and the master is someone who could manipulate the midichlorians to create ..life... hahahaha
I agree with Adam. I think it's the surrogate mother, as we never saw that particular Witches body as far as I can remember. I think it's too obvious with Qimir, and who could have saved Mae when she fell all those years ago if not Mother Koril?
Glad one channel is taking the right approach to this show...not overly impressed with the first half of the season but definitely want to keep watching to see how it resolves itself...as always love what you guys do!
Well said, Hector. When I rewatched Kenobi at one time, it was a much better experience. My one critique of the show is that the dialogue is very clunky. It feels more in line with a fan film than a premium series on a leading streamer. But, at the end of the day, it’s more Star Wars and that’s a good thing.
Qimir is the Acolyte and he's the one trying to kill a Jedi without a weapon. He asked Osha if it was cheating if you used the Jedi's lightsaber, because that's what he's doing by using Osha to kill for him.
Love everything you guys do! Please take the time to rewatch (on your own time) the Obi-Wan series as a 2.5 hour movie. If you research “Obi-Wan Kenobi, The Patterson cut”. This fan made version is 100% better than Disney+. Keep on being positive and awesome muchachos
Other force users that refer to the "force" as something else and not calling it the "force" or not realizing its the same thing is actually a really interesting idea for this franchise. Like how different cultures have different gods or views of spirituality.
Thanks to Adam, Hector and Agustin! 🌑 I'm thoroughly enjoying the show. 🔸 The haters and bullies are clearly tapping into the Dark Side... so, they've obviously missed the point of tales from the galaxy far, far away.
@@DRFOP I don't call people who dislike the show "haters"... I call the people who *bully* people who like the show "haters'. It's a very different situation, Elliot. Everyone has the right to their opinion, but no one has the right to antagonize someone else.
Mannnnn this is the kind of cliffhanger I can’t stand lol I’m not even a person that has problem with cliffhangers 😂, reminds me of when invincible came back and it ended with all the sequids closing in
Y’all the only healthy reactors for the Star Wars fandom at this point. It’s so exhausting to see people just be negative for the fun of it . And another thing you’re the only ones that have pointed out that that dude looks like Ezra lmao
Thank you, guys, for the positive vibe throughout. I'm a fan of The Acolyte, mostly because it's bold, new, and fresh. And, thank you, too, for the #1 complaint that almost everyone agrees on. Either lengthen the run times or give us more episodes. This story feels a little rushed because there's not enough time to play it out properly.
So, I don't think Mae 180 is too sudden. She was probably led by the hate of the jedi not only for "allegedly" killing the witches, but also she thought Osha was dead and she surely blamed the jedi for it (as I see it, since Osha wanted to join the jedi so bad and she probably assumed It all tied together, which will probably learn soon, I hope) and when she saw that indeed her sister is alive, she started thinking. She's afraid of the "master" but she sees that if her sister is alive and the jedi have her, what best than try and go talk to your sister and since she already killed jedi, she knows her best chance is to surrender as soon as possible. I don't know, that made sense to me. Maybe the scenes could have hinted a bit more to it before the trap scene, but she was already hinting that if she doesn't do it, the master will kill her and so on. I think the editing might be for something, but It didn't really shock me because in my head, now, she has her sister (and she probably felt her or smth, like Luke and Leia). I enjoy this show. Not the best for sure, but I join you guys on the fact that I don't want people to dislike star wars based on an "average" show in all the media you can consume with Star Wars nowadays. Some is going to be great (Andor), some is going to be full nostalgia drip (Ahsoka) and some will be not so great (book of Bobba Fett). Imean, the original one has the nostalgia for it, but in terms of dialogs, plot, cinematography, actor directing, "A new Hope" is really not so great (and don't get me wrong I love it to death and saw it like 20 times).
Lol, really appreciate the red shirt reference. It's /exactly/ what I thought when I saw the nameless Jedi. All I know is SW are using red shirts and giving Adam no-lightsaber-fighting blue balls.
No it is not that famous Kel Dor Jedi Master Plo Koon from Dorin, although the character that you saw was also a Kel Dor specie from planet Dorin. It's a female Jedi Knight by the name of Ithia Paan. Jedi Knight Ithia Paan wore brown Jedi apparel with gold accents, and wielded a lightsaber with a green blade. Like the majority of Kel Dor outside of Dorin, Jedi Knight Ithia Paan wears an antiox breath mask due to her Kel Dor physiology.
Thank you thank you thank you for calling out the hate grifters. It’s the way of the western world at the moment. Decline and fall. Grrrrr. Red shirt - I said the same thing 😂
I've been waiting for this reaction. I'm happy to be the freak who likes this show. The surrogate mom may be wearing that *Smilo Ren/Kylo Grin/Darth Teeth* headgear because she her face was damaged in the fire. Or could be Mother Aniseya - was she REALLY dead? And she had no problem force pushing folks around. As mysteries go, this is good, and I'm with it until the end. *Darth Zipperous...*
Don’t get the short comment in episode length last 3 were 40 plus minutes like any other hour standard tv show on tv while this was the shortlist at 34 minutes like this been the most constant with good length
I have faith Leslye Headland coming from Russian Doll and friend of Rian Johnson she knows how to plant a red herring, and that Qimir is not who they are clearly wanting us to think he is throwing people around like Ebony Maw.
Yeah, Mother Koril seems way more aggressive and brash in her beliefs (with Mae taking after her) than Mother Aniseya (and Osha taking after her). I'm with Adam in thinking that she may have been too quick to act and maybe whatever she did didn't turn out the way she wanted it to.
I just subscribed and I loved this episode notice how they never utter the words sith or dark side yet and you're right the thread of destiny demands it grand admiral what about that haters lol
Bazil obviously killed Kalnacca, right? They were leaving as Mae got to Kalnacca's camp and the wound was still smoking. When Sol and the gang show up, Bazil isn't there. Next episode when the Jedi are getting the upper hand against Darth Smile, that adorable murderfloof is going squeak from the shadows and a tiny red lightsaber will light up.
Seems like most fans want the same stories told over and over and over again. I can’t tell you how many channels I’ve had to delete from my recommended do to the vitriol.
Thank you for not "farming rage". I'm enjoying how the mystery is unfolding, and none of the criticisms against the show - though some have legitimacy - come close to justifying wanting it to loudly die whilst onlookers applaud and cheer with relish and glee. I respect the writer's choices to serve the story by only having fight scenes where they matter; by killing the wookie Jedi to throw our expectations up in the air and establish a bigger, more unpredictable threat; by killing Carrie-Ann's character to establish stakes. We will see the wookie wield a hairy lightsaber in the rest of the flashback, we will see a lightsaber fight between the Jedi and the master next episode.
*Takes a Deep Breath* the point of Ki Adi Mundi’s comment in Episode I was to prove how wrong the Jedi were about what’s going on. It wasn’t true when it was said or it (at worst) was an outright lie.
I love this channel because not only the Mexican like me (even adopted familia Adam ), but you guys just bring an enthusiasm in watching these shows. I don’t get the hate. I read the high republic novels and comics, and enjoying this show. But I’m viewing it from a perspective as these shows are for younger audience like my daughter who loves it.
I think the season is going to end with the Jedi misled about the situation. They’ll think it was just a random force user, when it was really the birth of the Sith of the saga.
Completely agree with you about how the cut these episodes. I do feel like they do write these as a long movie and just say cut here, cut here, cut here. It annoyed me in this episode, because like Adam I wanted that pay off to the tension that was building up. It was like we got to the climax of the moment and then it dissipated and it was annoying. That being said, I enjoyed the episode and Im enjoying Acolyte. Also completely agree with needing beefier episodes. I wish they would just have 45 minutes and fill those 45 minutes with content. I think it could help with some of the pacing issues. And they need to stop establishing time. Mae mentioned they only had 3 hours til night but Sol and team come much later and they meet at Kelnacca's hut. And I just want to say that I really appreciate the way you all discuss this. You have your gripes about the story, pacing etc but you do it in a positive manner. You're one of my go to channels after a Star Wars show airs because of this.
Crazy theory here. Mae and aosha were not acting like themselves in this episode, what if they switched at some point. Mae looked concerned that the Jedi were there, and Osha was the only one sweating, panting her breath as if she knew what was coming, and dud not flinch when the Sith showed up, maybe that's why he flicked her to the side and not kill her. Whatever the case maybe, it's an interesting show, can't wait for next week. STAR WARS!
I'm a Star Wars fan. I don't need every series to blow me away. I actually like this one. It's actually done me a great service by forcing me to pare down the number of reactors I watch. So much fake outrage out there.i really appreciate you guys being true fans and keeping it real that you are
In the third episode, mother Coral looked out into their power generation area and heard something. She gave the other mothers a look. I believe that was the sith apprentice or Master that was hiding in the shadows and there. The explosion in the fire was that power generation area that we hear off screen. The sith Lord did it. I think it was obvious in a way.
I noticed that too on my re-watch and didnt see ANYONE discussing it in any youtube videos. It was there then it wasnt though. Editing issues. Someone was def creeping around, sabotaging.
Yo you guys need to get sponsored so you can drop more content...or quit your day jobs bc you can ride this wave...lol dont quit but im here for more and more content...only you and guradians of the palaxy are the only 2 fully positive vibes only streamers and in this day and age in this climate/atmosphere and with the recent decl8ne in conte t quality it is saying a helluva lot (and you all are a little more structured then they are no hate just real)...but keep doin yo thang bc i relly believe more and more viewers will get tired of the clcik bate and click hate thang and they will flock to real dudes like yourselves...one love and big ups from north jerzy
I think the guy who's with Mae is whoever is in the mask, but I think he might not be the master. I think he might be the apprentice carrying out the master's plan.
Everyone was so hpyed for and disappointed by the lack of time with the Jedi Wookie. For those feeling like they missed out, go look up Kirlocca from the Living Force campaign. It was a TTRPG campaign that ran alongside the prequel series. It had a secondary Jedi Academy (to justify how many players would want to play Jedi...) that had a wookie Jedi (Kirlocca) as the primary lightsaber trainer. As a campaign that ran for years and we got to see into the academy for several adventures we got to feel like we knew him. It was great. Maybe I'm just old and living on member-berries, but I think it was good enough for people to look up and don't let it die. As for series vs movies, series work when each episode can work as a stand alone, with elements that carry from one to the next. Each episode of X-Men '97 (barring Lifedeath) was a complete story, but that had elements that continued. I don't think this episode had a complete beginning, middle, and end of a story, and was just filler time that would add to the larger movie, but doesn't stand alone well enough. My $0.02.
I'm starting to buy into the theory that maybe Qimir (sp?) is actually the Acolyte working for the BIG bad we havent met yet and the Osha thread is maybe just a misdirect. In regards to Ki-Adi-Mundi and his Sith comment in TPM, what if hes actually a part of a Jedi conspiracy to cover-up the return of the Sith? I mean there have been a couple instances now where Vernestra is trying to keep a lid on whatever is going on with the death of the Jedi Masters. Imagine the population of the galaxy getting wind of a couple jedi butchering people for their use of the force. It tracks IMO.
What I find really funny about all the hating and "oh no they are changing to Lore", I'm 57 I was there in '77 (UK) when Star Wars first came out and when the Prequals came out, we all went "oh no they are changing to Lore, Anakin is meant to be evil". Yet those who grew up with the Prequals accept Anakin more readily...... Now the "Lore" seems to be shifting again and newer fans are upset. This is what Stars Wars does, suck it up
Its not a quick 180 when your whole young adult life you were told your sister was dead, killed by jedi, and then you see her with your own eyes...context much
She has misinterpreted her task. It is to kill a jedi, that doesn't have a weapon. A jedi that is defenseless, that can't fight back. How she does it, is irrelevant.
The end of the Episode , 1 vs the Many, So yeah I feel this could be Mother Koril and she has no love for Osha hence force pushing her away, although I would have thought she would have killed her with the saber if it was, Unless it's Mother Aniseya and she faked death, she created the twins, it wasn't said how so maybe she can stop people from dying in this case herself, in some down the road Darth Plagueis type of deal.
You have to understand the Acolyte is not Mae. The Acolyte is the Dark helmeted cloaked figure. Just so that you understand we have not seen the Master.
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I'm really surprised how many people don't understand the Mae 'switch'. She tells you in the show. "my loyalty isn't to your master, it's always been to my sister". She's killing these Jedi because she believed they killed her sister... Now that she is alive, that is pretty essential information in regards to her motivation as to why she is killing Jedi.
Appreciate that but remember that she wanted to kill Osha. So, unless she was manipulated back then how does that make sense? She has certainly seen things on Brendok that we haven't seen in the show. I really like the theory that she is manipulating her master right there, making him kill Kelnacca, which makes her succeed with the task to kill Jedi without a weapon.
@@Secretsongs20We are likely to get scenes on Brendock from Mae's pov which could be different from what we saw in ep 3.
@@hoos3014 I don’t know if her switching had a lot to do with what happened on Brendack. Mae thought her sister died or disappeared. But I agree that we need to wait until the show ends.
@@NinoMakosShe wanted to kill Osha because she wanted to leave Mae. Mae only ever wanted Osha to remain with her on Brendack. Even at the end of Episode 3 she expected her to be at the tree. So to me, I think that her 180 makes sense. She loves her sister and wants to be back to her.
Plus, I have a feeling that Episode 3 is the events as Osha remembers them and is fragmented or incorrect. Im pretty sure that we're going to see it from Mae's side and then a third time from a neutral perspective.
@@Secretsongs20 stuff like that could still be revealed in a future episode in a flashback scene. Patience, Jedi.
Mae’s turn works for me. She didn’t kill the witnesses in ep 1. In episode 2 she visibly softened when she saw Osha. Sol says that when he told Mae Osha is alive she turned into a different person. I interpreted that to mean she had hope for a second before denial. In the last few days she has received new information to change her motivation. No more revenge but hope instead
I dont think its the heel-turn, I think it's the quick heel-turn, or what feels like a quick heel-turn for her motivation that's angering some people.
But yeah, it does make sense to me. Mae obviously has anger issues, which makes her an ideal candidate for tapping dark side energy and using it effectively to kill Jedi. Im not gonna be surprised if we've already seen her master, but if its too obvious who this master is, I think some people are gonna be like "REALLY? THAT CHARACTER!?"
Im still stumped as to who Mae's master really is, but I have my suspicions. And Im loving the breadcrumbs they're leaving us, a little here a little there, weaving the web of mystery further and further. The show feels more like a mystery than a Star Wars property should, but for me personally .... it's working very well! But I've seen enough Agatha Christie and Hercule Poirot adaptations to appreciate a good whodunit. But a whodunit in the Star Wars universe! BRING IT ON!
My theory is that we are dealing with three Sith. An acolyte an apprentice and a Master. The apprentice is training the acolyte in preparation to challenge the Master
I think people's feeling that Mae's switch came out of nowhere is what this show is doing so well - it's really revealing our preconceived notions about what is happening and what people's intentions are. We see red lightsaber and black cloak and immediately assume 'sith', we see Mae learning from them and immediately assume 'Mae wants to be a sith and gain power and control through the dark side', we see Mae attacking a Jedi 'for no reason' at a bar and assume she's just killing random jedi because that's what sith do, and we see her liking the witches who we assume to be evil dark siders because they aren't jedi despite the fact we never see them do a single dark side or harmful thing. (and by 'we' I mean people who are giving in to those preconceived notions and holding to them despite the evidence rather than interrogating their assumptions)
Mae didn't kill a single civilian in the bar - she was ONLY going after Indara - whom she believed murdered her entire family. In any other property, someone getting justice by hunting down those who killed their family would be considered a protagonist who's murder is at least justified by the narrative. She even sat down and talked with Torbin and he killed himself - no mind tricks necessary, just him facing his own guilt - so Mae has some truth to her belief the Jedi did something wrong on Brendok. People keep pointing to 'she wanted to kill Osha last episode!!' yet those were the words of an 8 year old terrified her family was being ripped apart AND very clearly from Osha's POV which I have a feeling was skewed. If her whole deal was she didn't want Osha taken away from her, why in the world would a grown ass Mae now want to kill her sister she's just found out is alive and there's the chance they can be together again?
I think our preconceived notion is that anyone on the 'darker' side of the force will only have their emotions lead them to doing bad things rather than good, but love can lead people back to the light and away from the darkness too (hello Darth Vader). I just think it's great that the show is really just handing us situations and not really making it clear 'these good guys - root for them no matter what; those bad guys - they're bad no matter what' but rather just saying 'yup - these are things that are happening. Messy, huh? Let's see what they do about it'
The credits confirm that was indeed Ki-Adi-Mundi
That's not how the force works!?
@@thinkbeyond3457 Search your feelings...You know it to be true.
@@slater140778 THE AGE WAS NEVER CANON. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK ASS SKULL.
@DRFOP There is no evidence of any Sith presence. They do not suspect that at all. Not all dark side users are Sith, either.
Frankly, even if his line turns out to be a lie I'm totally fine with it, especially given that he's part of Master Rwoh's black ops squad here that freely keeps things from the High Council.
@DRFOP Also, his age was Legends only. He had no canon birth year.
Legends also said Qui-Gon died at age 60 but in canon he was 48.
The only thing I can think of regarding Mae's abrupt 180. I think it's part of the twins' connection they have. The closer they get, the more they start experiencing each other's aura. Osha's powers start coming back online, and Mae's gaining back her humanity.
I thought it was a misleading play on Mae’s part; I thought she was up to something, but, I like your theory
I was able to accept Mae’s turn cuz that definitely was not her threading to kill Osha and she has a whole different perspective on that event. And also…Vader turned very quickly too cuz of his family….so….
This episode was like finishing your soup or salad waiting for your main entree when you think you see it coming and it last minute turns out it’s actually for the other table.
LOL yeah pretty much. The Disney+ shows have been taking their sweet ass time and just burning their run times with characters talking and doing nothing. Bad Batch majorily had this problem, Mando season 3 had this problem, and Ashoka at times had this problem. Andor surprisingly did not even with its 12 episodes. There was a lot of talking but everything they were saying was compelling. Can't wait for season two.
Every time they said Bazil, I thought of Manuel in Fawlty Towers calling for his pet rat, named after Basil Fawlty :)
It’s not Plo Koon. It’s actually a female Kel Dor named Ithia Paan
I really appreciate channels like this one, where nuance is still allowed to exist.
Thank you all for being a positive light to Star Wars Shows. Much appreciated! My daughter and I our enjoying this show. Keep up the great work guys!
are you disney empleyee , right?
There's Kelnacca fighting in the trailer so probably episode 7 (same director as episode 3) will be another flashback that tells us more. Mundi=yes, Koon=nope.
For what it's worth, like Hector, I wonder if we'll see a Kelnaca lightsaber fight later in a flashback when more of the story is revealed.
There's a trailer with Kelnaca fighting a certain person. So we'll def see a flashback!
@@danielbinks954 are you sayin certain person so you dont spoil it...
Its a shame how this series has people that most are interested to see.. and they are both now dead
Carrie ann Moss and a wookie as a Jedi....
Could have sold a series idea on htat alone
@@b29ak2007 I didn’t want to spoil anything if there’s people who don’t want to watch the trailers.
@danielbinks954 just checking cause I didn't wanna ruin it for them after you didn't ruin it for them😅
Just checking if you saw him on the vehicle too... cough cough
Yeah…..we also have a scene from one of the trailers with young Torbin and someone else going at high speeds on speeders through a forest…..? Maybe that’ll all be in Episode 7, the one with the same director as Episode 3 (the other “flashback” episode).
The statement Ki-Adi-Mundi makes in TPM is still canonically intact. All he sees in the holo video is a weaponless (well, maybe daggers) Force user fighting Sol (and maybe Indara). Nowhere in the recordings we see KAM see, is there a red light saber wielding Sith. Vernestra even mentions that it must have been a Jedi that trained Mae (though maybe that actually is foreshadowing the possibility that the Sith master is masquerading as a Jedi?).
If the Jedi don't make it back, the statement is still intact. If there are Jedi that survive Khofar, maybe they pivot to burying this event under the rug b/c they're afraid of the political fallout? Something they've spoken of multiple times before. Guess we'll find out.
The Jedi believe the Sith has been extinct for 900 years by the time of Acolyte. It's just so unthinkable, any hint of Sith activity observed would be misconstrued to be rogue Jedi in origin, regardless of whether the Sith Lord in question was ever a member of the Jedi.
Ki Adi Mundi had such a strong connection, to the force, that he was a Jedi 40yrs before he was born.
Sorry, but that not right. Your citing the Star Wars Extended Universe (or the Legends books and comic books) George Lucas has stated that I've not read the Star Wars Extended Universe, it is it own thing. However the Star Wars Extended Universe is not cannon.
You’re wrong, actually lol
I have been more excited about this than anything since Phantom Menace, maybe The Force Awakens. I'm really into it and love the slow build of mystery. It's refreshing it's not centered around something to do with the Skywalker family.
it is Ki Adi Mundi and people are upset. However, they are citing legends and stating he shouldn't be alive. we all know that legends is no longer canon. Also they are still upset about his line in phantom menace were he says the sith have been extinct for a long time. However, in this episode, he doesn't go on the mission so he is still not aware of the dark side user. the group is speculating Mae was trained by a jedi or a splinter order and notice they all agree to keep the circle small. he is willing to partake in a cover up. all the haters are so quick to see something they don't like but they are failing to understand the details/hints in the dialogue. i love this channel for being a safe place to have a conversation. people think they know everything about star wars but are using invalid information 🤣🤣
He was totally wrong in the Phantom Menace anyway 😅
But the thing is, if anyone survives he should absolutely know that there is a sith or dark jedi on the loose. If everyone dies, then he knows that something killed almost a dozen Jedi. So he’s either lying to cover up his and other Jedis’ mistakes and is willing to cover it up even at the expense of Quigon, Obiwan, Anakin, and Padme’s lives or he’s genuinely clueless about the presence of the Sith by the time Maul rolls around. So hes a selfish person who doesn’t care about the lives of others or he’s just an idiot. It’s tough to think that a Jedi council member could be so aggressively idiotic.
@@MrTREEHUNTER22 The Sith is a specific religious order. Red lightsaber does not equal Sith. They haven't seen any Sith for 900 years at this point!
@@philneezy Whatever order, sect, or religion this character is a part of doesn’t matter. The point is that Mundi potentially had evidence or at least suspicion that a dark side user in the phantom menace may be related to one he had heard about nearly a hundred years prior. Maul was not confirmed to be sith when Quigon made his report. So Mundi essentially took information that almost a dozen Jedi died to this dark side user and did not think to warn Quigon or the council about a very dangerous dark side user. He didn’t request for more Jedi to back Quigon and Naboo because he’d rather them all die than to reveal something that would embarrass him and other Jedi.
@@MrTREEHUNTER22 lmao what evidence that they're related? With all of the information that we have so far, we know that the Jedi believe the Sith to be extinct for 900 years at the time of The Acolyte. Ki-Adi has watched a holo video of a girl fighting Sol who looks like she's been trained by a Jedi. Why would he just assume that all of a sudden the person was trained by a Sith who have been extinct for 900 years? It could be anything. The conversation in The Phantom Menace is Qui-Gon saying that he thinks it's a Sith with no evidence. Ki-Adi and Mace are like "bro what?"
Qui Gon: He was trained in the Jedi arts. My only conclusion can be that it was a Sith Lord.
Ki-Adi: Impossible. The Sith of an extinct for a millennium.
Mace: I do not believe the Sith could have returned without us knowing.
How people who claim to not like something watch it every week so they can go on review show pages and tell everyone who doesn’t care they don’t like it, that they don’t like it, it amazes me because they are out there every week watching something they simply don’t have to watch.
Thank you, I've been saying that for so long
Exactly! I have a 8 to 5 job. I’m not going to come home, watch a show I hate, and then watch reactions to it. I just don’t understand.
Because they don't watch it. The rating for the show was already in the trenches before the first episode even aired. It's nonsense sadly. People are just mad to be mad, not because of the actual show :(
@@zulawoo Well I'm guessing some of them are so pathetic they're actually hate-watching it.
@zulawoo I know it's disgusting they're rigging the numbers by doing that and guess what's going to probably happen because of the ratings they're gonna cancel the Dawn Of The Jedi movie cause they think we perfer to stay within The Skywalker Saga so in a sense they are killing Star Wars not Disney
Whats the matter guys? You didn't like seeing the Jedi hiking through the woods all episode? By the way, the writers wanted to use YODA instead of Mundi in the show, but Dave Filoni said No. Dave saved Yoda's entire character integrity with that one. But here's my ultimate gripe with the show...it seems like the show is trying to bend Star Wars to fit their story, instead doing the research and creating a story to reinforce the tone set by future SW events (Ex: Tales of the Jedi). This just feel likes the "Secret Invasion" show all over again, where in that show they created this OP character that really shouldnt exist. My point is that the nuisance of good writing is to blend things into a story seamlessly. This show is failing to do that so far. But there's still 4 eps right??
In the specific case of yoda vs mundi, wouldnt yoda at least make "more" sense since hes old af? or is he somewhere else according to cannon atm?
Great reaction! I agree with all of the points you guys made afterwards.
It is a refuge indeed friends.
Damn, Hector really hit it on the head at 1:15 for me. I just finished episode 5 and was 😳🤩 (if you know you know) and went to check what others thought about it. Then I was immediately reminded of what online Star Wars talk is like nowadays… so demoralizing, especially when we’re now getting stuff prior to episodes 1-9. Wish we could appreciate what we’re getting more😔🤷♂️
Thank you for allowing those of us who choose to enjoy Star Wars content to have a safe place to express that enjoyment. I refuse to remain silent, because this world needs more positivity, even if just about a TV show.
And for those sharing their negative views of the show, which you have every right to have those thoughts and opinions, just remember that it does not excuse the toxicity being spread. So please, just stop.
So many people, not just the SW Fandom, have a hard time saying "I just didn't enjoy it" or "it's not for me" instead of the garbage they spew out into the world.
Cry about it
Hector is totally on point on the farming rage for engagement in the de-evolution of social media in '24. I'd add not just young people. Old geezers in their 40's and 50's who worship George Lucas on a shrine don't want their scriptures altered jump on the bad wagon of hell.
TIL I'm an old geezer (or old maid, since I'm a woman an in my mid 40s)😅
That said, I noticed the farming rage on YT the minute the acolyte show started. It's annoying and I just straight up ignore it and just block whatever algorithm decided I should take a look at it.
Do people really think that "the sith havent been seen in blah blah blah" actually meant that there were zero sith in the galaxy? I always figured they were in deep hiding and gaining strength. It's not unreasonable to hide, at most, two force users imo.
This show made me stop watching Star Wars reactions. I dont understand the hate. It's not amazing, but it's not bad. Definitely intrigued.
people love to critique things
There are a few channels that aren’t full of hate and vitriol. Outside of Heroes Reforged, I watch Kyle Katarn, Blind Wave, Reel Rejects. All non-grifters lol hope this helps!
People just hate Leslye Headland. I’ve disagreed with some of her past comments but the show itself is pretty solid
I hate it, but I ain’t gonna hate on people who like it
I think it’s an absolutely terrible show, but people can like what they want lmao
@HeroesReforged,
7:33 I agree with what Adam is seeing about Ki-Adi-Mundi, but we need to keep in mind that the head of the security council, Vernestra heavily implied that they are facing a rogue Jedi. We can see that she's trying to keep this development under cover and known to this small few. Sure, Ki-Adi-Mundi and another Jedi looked towards Sol and Vernestra when she questioned him about the past, but we can safely assume that what will transpire moving forward will resolve in a way that won't require the Jedi Council or Jedi to assume that a Sith was ever involved.
What does a Sith look like? The Jedi don't know. How do we know that? Jecki response, "What's that?" as well as that of the other Jedi with her. The Sith aren't the only Dark Side users of the Force in Star Wars and we've known that for a long time. Witchcraft in Star Wars has always been a Dark Side of the Force power, which explains why Darth Sidious and Darth Tyranus kept going back to Dathomir for apprentices, as Dark Side of the Force users don't need conversion.
Witches aside, Palpatine has always had a warlock look to him. His decrepit body, bony fingers, yellow eyes, dark robes, and walking stick scream warlock! Palpatine even shoots Force-Lightning from his fingertips like a witch casts spells. Surely, Feloni showing Palpatine standing before what looks like a witch's cauldron when he found Ezra in the World Between Worlds wasn't an accident. The Sith and the Witchcraft are aligned in the Force, and last week's episode drove that point home when Mother Aniseya described her coven's witchcraft with the exact same words Palpatine used in Revenge of the Sith when he explained the Dark Side of the Force to Anakin during the opera, "Dark" and "Unnatural." Heck, another parallel was drawn when the story eluded to Osha and Mae's birth happening the same way Anakin's did!
The Force is heavily regulated by the Jedi and the Galactic Republic. The Jedi deem what's legal use of it and what isn't. I assume that the witches were being persecuted and hunted because their use of the Force went against regulations. The Sith aren't the only Dark Side users. Witches and Sith are aligned in their philosophies of the Force. With books of the Force behind lock and key behind the protected walls of the Jedi temple, it makes sense that the Sith and witches would trade/share knowledge. With everyone else against them, it makes sense that they would rely on one another from time to time.
Did Mother Koril fear the Jedi on Brendok or did she fear the Sith Lord there finding out that they were talking with a Jedi?
13:46 regardless of how this scene plays out. Mae solved her problem. How do you kill a Jedi without using a weapon? Manipulation! Get someone else to do it for you. We learned last episode that if Mae and Qimir's master found out that Mae got help killing Torbin that things would end well for both of them. How would things go for Qimir after explaining to their master that Mae dipped? It is in his best interest to kill Kelnacca and get Mae back on the up and up for the both of them.
14:04 Why? She lived a life believing the Jedi were responsible for her sister's death. She found out that the Jedi were truthful and that her sister was alive last episode. Everything that she believed to be true, her motivations, were turned on their head. why move forward with a plan that no longer holds meaning? She wanted revenge for her sister's death. That doesn't work if Osha is alive.
That cliffhanger though, lol.
14:22 - I think she had been thinking of doing that the whole time, she just needed to be led most of the way there.
16:04 - Lost a wookie but gained a bazil😊.
Kalnacca will be back, the next episode is another flashback -- it's the Roshamon episode where we get to see another view of what happened on Brendok. Sorry, but we probably won't get to see this saber fight for two weeks. Also, there may not be a fight - the only person the Dark Master needs to kill now is Sol. He just might do that and jet out of there.
I think the second flashback is episode 7 (same director and writer as episode 3). I think next week’s episode will be titled “night” and will continue on from this episode
4 and 5 are directed by the same person, so it's one long fight scene, Kogonada is directing ep 7, which the flashback would likely be
I don't see the non-episodic angle as much as you guys. The one where we meet Mae and Osha, the one where we recover Osha, the flashback to Osha and Mae's childhood...the episodes are pretty distinct in my mind. There's also a difference in setting and direction. It's not as episodic as traditional network TV, but it's more episodic than most limited series.
I'm guessing Qimir is actually the titular Acolyte of the show. He was tasked with sowing discord within the Jedi and he is using Mae to do it. That would explain why his garb is not up to the normal Sith standard and could be written off by the Jedi as not a real Sith so as not to screw with the what Master Mundi says in Episode 1.
Better to end before the fight than in the middle of it. The Master has never been referred to as a Sith.
How do you kill a Jedi without a weapon? By turning them into a Sith
There's internal inconsistencies and bad editing. Those are my issues. All the lore stuff and whatever is fine. People are allowed to not like this for legitimate reasons.
What are the internal inconsistencies that are driving you crazy?
Not my cup of tea but I’m not gonna sit here and complain about it like most… people can like and dislike whatever they want
Buzzel is from a system in the Otter Rim
I recall in one teaser trailer a two second clip of our Wookie Jedi fighting another Jedi in the witches domain. Something tells me at least he got taken over and things didn't go well for all. I can't remember but at the end of episode 3 when Osha was being comforted on the ship, if the wookie was in frame.
“Red Shirt” reference 😂 My thoughts every time I see unarmed people in sci fi 😅
Mundi isn’t the best of Jedis; he could well have said that in Ep. 1 knowing full well, there’d been instances to suspect the existence of siths…just saying
yea as of right now since we dont have more info im kinda thinking it may have been a cover your ass lie he told in ep 1
@@michaelrodgernow I can see a version of that scene where he's clearly covering and the other jedi wonder why he's exagerating. "the sith? No, I've never even heard of them and if I had it certainly wouldn't have been in the last 100 years or so"
i cant get behind the mother theory. . that helmet doesnt appear large enough to be containing her horns/spikes
Also we can see the hands/forearms of the master and they didn’t look like anyone’s but the alchemist.
I don’t know; that helmet is pretty big…I think it’s Mother Koril
I only watch you guys and Blind Wave for this content, you guys and them have at least good critiques and explaining stuff rather than just straight up hating on it just because :)
Also @KyleKatarn, him and his bud also seem VERY interested in the series and has a lot of lore knowledge in both canon and Legends info
I think thats because they dont let Legends and old stuff blind there viewing and are open to change. Its the whole "This isnt my Canon" When nothing has really broken canon even from whats considered Canon. Just expands on it and makes you think in my opinion. Doesnt mean the show is perfect by any margin but it isnt utter trash.
UA-cam is always pushing blind wave at me!
I haven't watched any of it yet but you might have convinced me.
@@mulukh7 great sympathic Guys!
Blind Wave belongs to the best
Reel Rejects do a good job too
To be fair I'm glad you guys are enjoying the show and I don't stand with mindless hate but this show is not very good imo. I think some of the people discussing it have fair complaints...
Live action Drengir would be dope
RIGHT?!?
My theory is that, much like the Jedi were drawn to the specialness/strength of the twins, Osha and Mae, I wonder if the Sith was drawn to Osha and Mae, too. Then, took advantage of the chaos the night of the fire, maybe even responsible for the fire or the level of destruction given what we see. And I'm pretty convinced that it was the Sith that dispatched all the sisters and villagers given the power of their collective since we don't see any of them burned so death by fire seems unlikely. And if Mae didn't see the Sith, she'd naturally blame the Jedi.
As for the likely identity of the Sith master? The two obvious candidates seem to be Qimir and Koril. With Koril, we already know she harbored animosity towards the Jedi and we don't ever see her body in the wreckage that night and she seems to be a powerful Force user on her own. With Qimir, we've seen the master who sit right under the nose of their apprentice (or soon to be) before, not to mention we saw him easily fend off Mae in ep 2. He also begs the Jedi not to mind probe him when he's caught which would give away his real identity.
Kelnaca appears to have been killed by the Sith and w/o resistance which makes me think it's one of two things. He knew the identity of the Sith and was comfortable around them. That seems to exclude Qimir and maybe even Koril. Could it be one of the Jedi? On the other hand, could the food he ate have been poisoned so that he could be incapacitated and then dispatched easily? Who do we know that deals in poisons?
I have another option that seems a bit far fetched. Koril and Qimir are the master and acolyte; either could be the master and the other the acolyte. This whole time, we've been thinking that Mae is the acolyte, but Qimir also mentions that the master collects people and Mae may just be one of them. And this whole time, we've also been assuming that Darth Why-So-Serious, grinning helmet guy is the Sith master... What if he's the Sith apprentice/acolyte? And we haven't seen the master yet.
Just some thoughts.
great theory! as u said , im sure there was more sith related events happening in Brendok... I was thinking the show would be borrowing the story depicted in The old republic comic series with Zayne Carrick . The sith were at brendok with the witches. They helped with the virgin birth scenario to breed warriors or some dyad with the force. This was sensed by the jedi who were sent there to investigate.. finding the witches there, they prolly assumed they were the source of the disturbance in the force. Mayb they decided to wipe the witches' off ( that is where the comic similarity ends )but upon seeing the kids, they decided to take them away first. With Osha already leaving, The jedis then infiltrated the castle to kill off the witches but the sith triggered the explosion. Mayb the three other jedis were fighting off the witches while Sol was looking for osha. Hence why Torbin was in guilt as he assumed his act off killing of the witches made things worse as he was just following orders. The sith then saved Mae and brainwashed her to show the destruction made by the jedi. The reason i speculate this is coz 1. Koril heard a sound over the reactor and went to check, had she been a sith or conspiring with them, it wouldnt be surprising... 2. the sith were taking revenge for killing of the witches/ mayb for seperating the dyad.. 3. Clearly qmir is the apprentice .. and the master is someone who could manipulate the midichlorians to create ..life... hahahaha
Thank you, gentlemen, for being a refuge for those of us who enjoy SW content and wait until a series is DONE to judge it
I agree with Adam. I think it's the surrogate mother, as we never saw that particular Witches body as far as I can remember. I think it's too obvious with Qimir, and who could have saved Mae when she fell all those years ago if not Mother Koril?
Glad one channel is taking the right approach to this show...not overly impressed with the first half of the season but definitely want to keep watching to see how it resolves itself...as always love what you guys do!
Well said, Hector. When I rewatched Kenobi at one time, it was a much better experience.
My one critique of the show is that the dialogue is very clunky. It feels more in line with a fan film than a premium series on a leading streamer.
But, at the end of the day, it’s more Star Wars and that’s a good thing.
They asked the creator of the show which episode was the best and it was said...Episode 5 is the best. Cannot wait.
Thank you for being a voice of reason in social media. Love your reactions and discussions!
It's funny because Indara's death was totally written in the trailers, but Kelnacca's really surprised me. Sad... 😢
I appreciate you three taking this show in while so many viewers are hating it
Qimir is the Acolyte and he's the one trying to kill a Jedi without a weapon. He asked Osha if it was cheating if you used the Jedi's lightsaber, because that's what he's doing by using Osha to kill for him.
Love everything you guys do! Please take the time to rewatch (on your own time) the Obi-Wan series as a 2.5 hour movie. If you research “Obi-Wan Kenobi, The Patterson cut”. This fan made version is 100% better than Disney+. Keep on being positive and awesome muchachos
So is there not going to be a Superman and Lois season 3 reaction?
Other force users that refer to the "force" as something else and not calling it the "force" or not realizing its the same thing is actually a really interesting idea for this franchise. Like how different cultures have different gods or views of spirituality.
Guys I am dissipointed ... You dont know "Who's the Master?" its "sho Nuff!" lol IYKYK
Thanks for adding positivity and constructive criticism to the Star Wars community. We are sick of hate.
Thanks to Adam, Hector and Agustin! 🌑 I'm thoroughly enjoying the show. 🔸 The haters and bullies are clearly tapping into the Dark Side... so, they've obviously missed the point of tales from the galaxy far, far away.
@@DRFOP I don't call people who dislike the show "haters"... I call the people who *bully* people who like the show "haters'. It's a very different situation, Elliot. Everyone has the right to their opinion, but no one has the right to antagonize someone else.
I’m with Adam on his theory of who the mysterious baddie is. Had a feeling it could be her while watching the last episode.
Mannnnn this is the kind of cliffhanger I can’t stand lol I’m not even a person that has problem with cliffhangers 😂, reminds me of when invincible came back and it ended with all the sequids closing in
Agustin, I am sure we will see the wookie jedi in another flash back.
The jedi on the mission has the wrong lightsabre color to be Plo Koon.
Y’all the only healthy reactors for the Star Wars fandom at this point. It’s so exhausting to see people just be negative for the fun of it . And another thing you’re the only ones that have pointed out that that dude looks like Ezra lmao
Blindwave & kyle katarn are also enjoying the show.
@@DRFOP keep telling yourself that's the reason for this endless hatred
@@DRFOP If you felt attacked over that comment … well lmao
@@DRFOP rocks for brains
Thank you, guys, for the positive vibe throughout. I'm a fan of The Acolyte, mostly because it's bold, new, and fresh. And, thank you, too, for the #1 complaint that almost everyone agrees on. Either lengthen the run times or give us more episodes. This story feels a little rushed because there's not enough time to play it out properly.
So, I don't think Mae 180 is too sudden. She was probably led by the hate of the jedi not only for "allegedly" killing the witches, but also she thought Osha was dead and she surely blamed the jedi for it (as I see it, since Osha wanted to join the jedi so bad and she probably assumed It all tied together, which will probably learn soon, I hope) and when she saw that indeed her sister is alive, she started thinking. She's afraid of the "master" but she sees that if her sister is alive and the jedi have her, what best than try and go talk to your sister and since she already killed jedi, she knows her best chance is to surrender as soon as possible. I don't know, that made sense to me.
Maybe the scenes could have hinted a bit more to it before the trap scene, but she was already hinting that if she doesn't do it, the master will kill her and so on.
I think the editing might be for something, but It didn't really shock me because in my head, now, she has her sister (and she probably felt her or smth, like Luke and Leia).
I enjoy this show. Not the best for sure, but I join you guys on the fact that I don't want people to dislike star wars based on an "average" show in all the media you can consume with Star Wars nowadays. Some is going to be great (Andor), some is going to be full nostalgia drip (Ahsoka) and some will be not so great (book of Bobba Fett). Imean, the original one has the nostalgia for it, but in terms of dialogs, plot, cinematography, actor directing, "A new Hope" is really not so great (and don't get me wrong I love it to death and saw it like 20 times).
Lol, really appreciate the red shirt reference. It's /exactly/ what I thought when I saw the nameless Jedi. All I know is SW are using red shirts and giving Adam no-lightsaber-fighting blue balls.
They're figuring it out!!! 🤣🤣🤣
No it is not that famous Kel Dor Jedi Master Plo Koon from Dorin, although the character that you saw was also a Kel Dor specie from planet Dorin. It's a female Jedi Knight by the name of Ithia Paan. Jedi Knight Ithia Paan wore brown Jedi apparel with gold accents, and wielded a lightsaber with a green blade. Like the majority of Kel Dor outside of Dorin, Jedi Knight Ithia Paan wears an antiox breath mask due to her Kel Dor physiology.
The Kel Dor isn't 'Plo Koon'... they're a new character called 'Ithia Paan'.
Thank you thank you thank you for calling out the hate grifters. It’s the way of the western world at the moment. Decline and fall. Grrrrr.
Red shirt - I said the same thing 😂
I've been waiting for this reaction. I'm happy to be the freak who likes this show.
The surrogate mom may be wearing that *Smilo Ren/Kylo Grin/Darth Teeth* headgear because she her face was damaged in the fire. Or could be Mother Aniseya - was she REALLY dead? And she had no problem force pushing folks around. As mysteries go, this is good, and I'm with it until the end.
*Darth Zipperous...*
Don’t get the short comment in episode length last 3 were 40 plus minutes like any other hour standard tv show on tv while this was the shortlist at 34 minutes like this been the most constant with good length
I have faith Leslye Headland coming from Russian Doll and friend of Rian Johnson she knows how to plant a red herring, and that Qimir is not who they are clearly wanting us to think he is throwing people around like Ebony Maw.
Yeah, Mother Koril seems way more aggressive and brash in her beliefs (with Mae taking after her) than Mother Aniseya (and Osha taking after her). I'm with Adam in thinking that she may have been too quick to act and maybe whatever she did didn't turn out the way she wanted it to.
I just subscribed and I loved this episode notice how they never utter the words sith or dark side yet and you're right the thread of destiny demands it grand admiral what about that haters lol
Bazil obviously killed Kalnacca, right? They were leaving as Mae got to Kalnacca's camp and the wound was still smoking. When Sol and the gang show up, Bazil isn't there. Next episode when the Jedi are getting the upper hand against Darth Smile, that adorable murderfloof is going squeak from the shadows and a tiny red lightsaber will light up.
Seems like most fans want the same stories told over and over and over again. I can’t tell you how many channels I’ve had to delete from my recommended do to the vitriol.
Thank you for not "farming rage". I'm enjoying how the mystery is unfolding, and none of the criticisms against the show - though some have legitimacy - come close to justifying wanting it to loudly die whilst onlookers applaud and cheer with relish and glee.
I respect the writer's choices to serve the story by only having fight scenes where they matter; by killing the wookie Jedi to throw our expectations up in the air and establish a bigger, more unpredictable threat; by killing Carrie-Ann's character to establish stakes. We will see the wookie wield a hairy lightsaber in the rest of the flashback, we will see a lightsaber fight between the Jedi and the master next episode.
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*Takes a Deep Breath* the point of Ki Adi Mundi’s comment in Episode I was to prove how wrong the Jedi were about what’s going on. It wasn’t true when it was said or it (at worst) was an outright lie.
I love this channel because not only the Mexican like me (even adopted familia Adam ), but you guys just bring an enthusiasm in watching these shows. I don’t get the hate. I read the high republic novels and comics, and enjoying this show. But I’m viewing it from a perspective as these shows are for younger audience like my daughter who loves it.
I think the season is going to end with the Jedi misled about the situation. They’ll think it was just a random force user, when it was really the birth of the Sith of the saga.
Completely agree with you about how the cut these episodes. I do feel like they do write these as a long movie and just say cut here, cut here, cut here. It annoyed me in this episode, because like Adam I wanted that pay off to the tension that was building up. It was like we got to the climax of the moment and then it dissipated and it was annoying. That being said, I enjoyed the episode and Im enjoying Acolyte. Also completely agree with needing beefier episodes. I wish they would just have 45 minutes and fill those 45 minutes with content. I think it could help with some of the pacing issues. And they need to stop establishing time. Mae mentioned they only had 3 hours til night but Sol and team come much later and they meet at Kelnacca's hut.
And I just want to say that I really appreciate the way you all discuss this. You have your gripes about the story, pacing etc but you do it in a positive manner. You're one of my go to channels after a Star Wars show airs because of this.
Crazy theory here. Mae and aosha were not acting like themselves in this episode, what if they switched at some point. Mae looked concerned that the Jedi were there, and Osha was the only one sweating, panting her breath as if she knew what was coming, and dud not flinch when the Sith showed up, maybe that's why he flicked her to the side and not kill her. Whatever the case maybe, it's an interesting show, can't wait for next week. STAR WARS!
they have different hair lengths my guy 💀 that’s a cope theory
"A white guy in Episode 4. Maybe AntiSJWs will calm down a bit 😂"
I said when I saw the Jedi Master at the start 😂
Yes, that is Ki-Adi Mundi, but that is not Plo Koon. That character is a female and her name is Ithia Paan, she’s a Kel-Dor like Plo Koon
But how? He sholud not even been born at this point. 🤔
I'm a Star Wars fan. I don't need every series to blow me away. I actually like this one. It's actually done me a great service by forcing me to pare down the number of reactors I watch. So much fake outrage out there.i really appreciate you guys being true fans and keeping it real that you are
It's so cool getting new SW content on the regular now, been watching it since the 1980s... I'm loving this, and i don't dig the rage farmers.
In the third episode, mother Coral looked out into their power generation area and heard something. She gave the other mothers a look. I believe that was the sith apprentice or Master that was hiding in the shadows and there. The explosion in the fire was that power generation area that we hear off screen. The sith Lord did it. I think it was obvious in a way.
I noticed that too on my re-watch and didnt see ANYONE discussing it in any youtube videos. It was there then it wasnt though. Editing issues. Someone was def creeping around, sabotaging.
Yo you guys need to get sponsored so you can drop more content...or quit your day jobs bc you can ride this wave...lol dont quit but im here for more and more content...only you and guradians of the palaxy are the only 2 fully positive vibes only streamers and in this day and age in this climate/atmosphere and with the recent decl8ne in conte t quality it is saying a helluva lot (and you all are a little more structured then they are no hate just real)...but keep doin yo thang bc i relly believe more and more viewers will get tired of the clcik bate and click hate thang and they will flock to real dudes like yourselves...one love and big ups from north jerzy
I think the guy who's with Mae is whoever is in the mask, but I think he might not be the master. I think he might be the apprentice carrying out the master's plan.
Everyone was so hpyed for and disappointed by the lack of time with the Jedi Wookie. For those feeling like they missed out, go look up Kirlocca from the Living Force campaign. It was a TTRPG campaign that ran alongside the prequel series. It had a secondary Jedi Academy (to justify how many players would want to play Jedi...) that had a wookie Jedi (Kirlocca) as the primary lightsaber trainer. As a campaign that ran for years and we got to see into the academy for several adventures we got to feel like we knew him. It was great. Maybe I'm just old and living on member-berries, but I think it was good enough for people to look up and don't let it die.
As for series vs movies, series work when each episode can work as a stand alone, with elements that carry from one to the next. Each episode of X-Men '97 (barring Lifedeath) was a complete story, but that had elements that continued. I don't think this episode had a complete beginning, middle, and end of a story, and was just filler time that would add to the larger movie, but doesn't stand alone well enough. My $0.02.
I'm starting to buy into the theory that maybe Qimir (sp?) is actually the Acolyte working for the BIG bad we havent met yet and the Osha thread is maybe just a misdirect. In regards to Ki-Adi-Mundi and his Sith comment in TPM, what if hes actually a part of a Jedi conspiracy to cover-up the return of the Sith? I mean there have been a couple instances now where Vernestra is trying to keep a lid on whatever is going on with the death of the Jedi Masters. Imagine the population of the galaxy getting wind of a couple jedi butchering people for their use of the force. It tracks IMO.
It's a new story in the Star Wars galaxy. I let it be itself, and I'm entertained. Dassit!
What I find really funny about all the hating and "oh no they are changing to Lore", I'm 57 I was there in '77 (UK) when Star Wars first came out and when the Prequals came out, we all went "oh no they are changing to Lore, Anakin is meant to be evil". Yet those who grew up with the Prequals accept Anakin more readily...... Now the "Lore" seems to be shifting again and newer fans are upset. This is what Stars Wars does, suck it up
Its not a quick 180 when your whole young adult life you were told your sister was dead, killed by jedi, and then you see her with your own eyes...context much
Hey guys, i know it's been awhile but with season 4 coming later this year i wonder if you guys are ever gonna come back to superman and lois?
What if Qimir is the one killing jedi without using weapons, i mean, idk.
She has misinterpreted her task. It is to kill a jedi, that doesn't have a weapon. A jedi that is defenseless, that can't fight back. How she does it, is irrelevant.
The end of the Episode , 1 vs the Many, So yeah I feel this could be Mother Koril and she has no love for Osha hence force pushing her away, although I would have thought she would have killed her with the saber if it was, Unless it's Mother Aniseya and she faked death, she created the twins, it wasn't said how so maybe she can stop people from dying in this case herself, in some down the road Darth Plagueis type of deal.
If the Master turns out to be Darth Plagueis AND Qimir, I'd kinda like it
You have to understand the Acolyte is not Mae. The Acolyte is the Dark helmeted cloaked figure. Just so that you understand we have not seen the Master.
What is the difference from a dark Jedi and a Sith?