The Freewing Glue is contact glue, use a thin coat on both surfaces fit the parts together pull them apart and let the glue dry a while, 1 minute, and press the parts in place. Jeff in LA USA
I really appreciate your reviews! Brutal honesty is why I watch your videos. I have purchased RC aircraft based on videos such as this or know what to avoid. In this day and age this was a stupid risk in that companies part. I would spend the extra to get a better RTF. I also watched the other review with the two A10s, even with the model like aesthetics I would rather spend more to be in the air versus having to spend money to fix a flawed model!
I’ve had nothing but good experiences with motionrc and one of my favorite planes is the freewing 80mm Avanti v2. Sometimes a model is a miss but freewing has more hits than misses.
I've got an 80mm AvantiS and it's probably one of the best sport jets in that class. But even on paper, this 4S twin 64mm A-10 is gonna be little light on power. And it wouldn't be the first time I've had to play around with CG on some of the lower cost planes out there.
Latest coming out of motion is.... set the elevator to 5mm up above the datum mark printed into the foam.... put the CoG at 45mm not 55mm; and if you have to add around 2 ounce of weight in the nose. With regards to the spaghetti wiring i have seen worse. Glad I saw this before I maiden mine. Thanks for insight.
That's by far, in my opinion, the BEST LOOKING A-10 I've ever seen, and remember, sometimes it takes a few flights to dial in a new bird. How you brought it down in one piece, on 'a wing & a prayer,' has me convinced it just needs to be stripped of ordinance & well CG'd So don't give up on it Nate, it wants to fly.... & so do you!
I like to tape my batteries to the outside of airplanes to push them to their extreme on all of my maidens. Obviously I balance them, but this plane clearly needed help. How many CG issues have you seen on our channel? Not many. The last that comes to mind was mentioned in this video. Hope you’re having a great weekend! 👍💯😎⚓️
I genuinely appreciate that you bring enthusiasm for the RC hobby to a wide audience, and make things seem simple, easy, and approachable. The hobby has gone through massive changes over the past 20 years, and it truly is easier than ever. WITH THAT SAID: I really think it would benefit your viewers to dig a little deeper once in a while in a situation like this. The manual for this aircraft specifies a CG range that is less than a quarter of an inch. Use this as an opportunity to show how it's done! Warbirds/scale models in particular can be really sensitive to improper setup, and as your viewers transition into larger, more expensive, and more complicated airframes, they need to know how to do so safely and properly. It's important to check the CG and make it right before that maiden. Pushing the battery forward may not be enough - maybe it needs lead shoved into the nose foam. Part of a review is showing whatever extra work you had to go through to make the model right for the maiden - and it's of benefit to your viewers. Sure, the eflite A10 is better; but there is still plenty to learn and gain from this model - and maybe with a little more time invested, it just might be a fine flying model with scale flight performance to back up it's looks. Kick it up a notch and let's find out!
Great video. Definitely don't be scared to try other freewing stuff . I'd love to see more freewing stuff on your channel! That A-10 has to be the worst I've seen from them by watching other videos of it . But freewing stuff is usually great. I have several. You would love the t-33 it flies awesome and the f-22 raptor 90mm . But your video could definitely help inform people on the bad ones . Thanks again!!
More motion RC please. I fly a lot of their planes especially along with Horizon and have had great results. I m just getting ready to maiden my 80 mm A-10 from Freewing. I hope mine goes better. Their F22, and Avanti’s are excellent.
Not trying to be negative, but did you not check CG before maiden?! Or was the stated CG in the instructions incorrect? Because that sure looked tailheavy.
From my personal experience by helping my friend build it. The build wasn’t that bad. But was also not on par with eflite or fms. And the flight went very good so it must be quality control or just user error
I had the first version of this plane for my first Edf. It did the exact same thing yours did on that first take off. I could only keep it in the air for about 15 seconds before it went smashing into the ground. I was crushed and stopped flying for awhile cause after that experience I thought It was my fault and decided rc plane wasn’t for me. After watching this video, I might try and get back into the hobby. Love y’all’s videos!
Also would u be willing to try the 64mm crusader from motion rc? It’s pretty inexpensive, and have been considering it. But would love to hear would you have to say about it.
I’ll definitely check it out! See!? This, you are the exact reason we make our videos. 100%. I know our video didn’t save you from this experience, but it might help revive your love for the hobby and try again! Thanks for leaving this comment 🙏👍💯⚓️
No, I checked and the instructions were off. I always check all of my planes. Do you own this airplane? Please, put your money where your mouth is and follow up with me! 👍💯⚓️
@@TheRcSaylors sir my mouth is commenting off of your video and your comments I have the 70mm .Aa far aa checking the cg prior to a maiden I do it the old fashion way with math to avoid the issue you encountered. BE WELL Also your a bit rude .
@@TheRcSaylors against you you are seriously troubled YOU MADE A VIDEO POSTED IT SUBJECTED IT TO VIEWS AND OPINIONS.WHICH I GAVE FORMING THEM FROM YOUR OWN INFROMATION . Sir if u can't deal with a opinion not of yours you shouldn't be posting anything .Have a great day !!!
8:35 SHEESH!! That was a nailbiter you guys!! 2nd flight not much better.. It is a handsome looking model though. You didn't even try the flaps! (Like you had time to) Would LOVE to see more Motion RC products! They seem to have some pretty cool items on their site for sure. Good looking planes.
I would be interested in yall trying some of their new 64mm lineup. I know you have had issues in the past with Motion RC, but the things getting more and more expensive there a company still offering good-looking planes for the price. Yall make great and honest content and think a lot of people want unbiased videos on Motions products.
Stop spreading false information Kbeezy and bige…. You are both acting like you own Motion or something. This was focussed on the model, not the company. Do you guys own stock at Motion or something? Sheesh! 😬😅⚓️
Not sure what receiver you’re using, but definitely looked spectrum. If it has AS3X/SAFE, you can’t just throw it around in there after programming and expect it to work correctly. Also if you were holding up elevator, I would think it’s nose heavy, not tail heavy. The way it looked to be nose diving definitely seemed that way 🤷♂️. Also the freewing glue is my favorite foam glue. It just needs to be used correctly. Not the entire tube squeezed into one vertical stab.
This why love supporting TheRcSaylors always tells us important things like that putting the plane ✈️ together etc and they always tell us if something not right or worth your money etc always awesome 👏 vids my friends happy flying all 😊😊😊😊⚓️⚓️⚓️⚓️
How good a pilot is show not by how well they fly when everything is perfect, but how they fly when things go haywire. And the fact that you were able to get it back down on the ground in one piece on that first flight is a testament to your skill as an RC pilot, Nate.
You might be on to something! Could be too much drag from all of the ordinances? Just a frustrating “build” experience and one of the worst flying EDFs I’ve had my hands on. Some in the comments seem really upset by these facts. Could just be Motion employees? lol. Dunno. 😅⚓️
Guessing a good bit of nose weight would help it out. It’s still a frustrating “build” and I was honestly surprised how “old” it felt compared to Eflite, FMS, Arrows and some others out there. 💯⚓️
I have the older version of the Freewing 64mm A-10. I assembled mine using neodymium magnets to hold the ordinances and fuel tank on, and maidened it without them. Take it from me, you do NOT want to fly on a 2200 mAh battery. I kept my flight short, since I flew on the smallest battery recommended, but came in a bit high on my first landing approach. When I went to throttle up to go around, I didn't have enough power left, and crashed. That said, when I was flying it, it flew fine for me. It took me a few moments to get the feel of the controls, but the crash was my fault for not have enough battery for the timer I had set. I usually try to make sure I have my timer expire with enough power left for an extra go-around or two if needed, and since I didn't really have a good idea of how much power it was going to pull, I miscalculated.
Iam sorry Nate u had so many problems but the version one was the same way. 3200 mah battery way to small even with a 3600 it flys fine but on landing it will act tail heavy. I added nose weight with magnets in the gun area this made landings so much better. Also had to add blind nuts too the wood mount and change mounting screws to bolts. Also had to add another spar back across the flap area as hard landings cause a Crack to start from inboard flap cut line. Also nose door sometimes gets stuck from steering and spring doesn't close the door in the air at times. If u don't want to add weight put a 4000 in it with the upgraded motors this should give u more flight time and good cg placement
This is all wrong. If an aircraft is tail heavy it will not have a nose down flight tendency. The glue that comes with the kit is fine. Dont overuse the glue and glob it on and not clean up after. If a little oozes out and you leave it, of course it’s going to look bad. That was just bad assembly of the model. The stickers on servo wires are not a big deal and would make it even harder to fish through the wing. I don’t know why you are complaining about having to fish wires through a fuselage. It’s not hard. Many many models have that design. It’s part of the hobby and if someone is complaining about that then this hobby isn’t for them. This aircraft did not get a fair review and wasn’t assembled very well either looking at the pictures you have. Looked like you rushed the build and just slapped a receiver in it with no Velcro or anything and stuffing the antennas in the nose (which is a big no no) because of dead zones on receiver antennas. They have to be 90 degrees from each other. If you had AS3X or SAFE programmed in then that would explain why it was flying the way it flew. The receiver has to be secure and not be able move or else vibration and forces of flight will cause it to jump around in there and it will think the aircraft is flying like this but it’s actually the receiver moving. So it compensates for itself and moves control surfaces that don’t need to be moved. Please get better and not bash rc planes. Some people don’t have the money to spend on an E flite aircraft. Be fair to all products
The bias is very obvious in this whole clip, very sad. No company would have a model that flies like this, set up was wrong. Trash talking a company about one of their products that was not set up the right way is not cool at all, fail.
This is 100% caused by the way the receiver is tossed in there. It looks like an AR631. Which absolutely must be secured, aligned and programmed. Correctly. This was a really bad review and I have to agree, comes across as a hit piece.
Glad you are happy to see Motion here. I’ll give them another shot but this was a very disappointing experience honestly. Hoping they’ve got better models. 👍😎🤞💯⚓️
In the past all of the failed flights and crashed flights rc saylors bring back fixed for another flight vid, hopefully they do the same with the freewing A-10 EDF rc jet.
I really liked this channel. I consistently watch. However, lately it seems you let the comments get to you about too many positive reviews. You now are compensating by releasing multiple videos bashing products in order to just counter those comments. The no-name drone video with no flight was a joke. This A-10 video feels fake & forced all around. These videos lately feel extremely forced and not genuine. You can see right through them as you can tell in the comments. Guys, get back to what you do. Continue to do what made your channel successful. If a bad plane comes a long during that process, speak up on it. But don't do these forced videos.
I’ll back Mach3RC YES !!! If you give that plane to any real RC pilot it will not fly like that after 3 flights. The quality of this channel is bad. They haven’t made a real review in years it’s all to make money. And watch this man fly no offense but he’s bad. He does a couple circles and lands at most a very forced trick or two. The videos are annoyingly false because he talks about nothing for too long and flies badly. Most of the crashes are visibly user error.
@@PropplaneRC This channel is all about how they fly out of the box. You want him to reformat what they do to please you? Where I'm from we call that a sellout. Go cry to someone else. 😥🤧🤮 #toxiccommunity
@@Kbeezzy23 They know how, and so do I. This channel tests RC's out of the box, so you know what to expect. They do not tweak them in any shape or form. Straight out of the box testing, with videos of the maiden flight. If they do a second or third flight, it is disclosed from the beginning. Otherwise they are all out of the box runs. What is so hard to understand? You can make a channel of the 35th flight and show how good they are after you put the magic touch on it. I'm sure there are 1 or 2 people that would want to see that.
Nate, dude. You KNOW the receiver can’t just be tossed in there. Unless you EVER only bought Bind N Fly’s. ALL Spektrum receivers MUST be secured and aligned if using AS3X or SAFE and then forward programming has to be done(correctly). If not, this is EXACTLY what happens. I do this all the time with PNP’s. However, I did once have a receiver come loose in a plane and it looked EXACTLY like this. If it’s not a spectrum receiver, disregard all of the above 😂 Looks like and AR631 though, in which case everything above applies. The more I watch the more frustrating I find it. Especially seeing all the people who just take your word for it, when in reality it was your mistake.
You have extremely valid points! Yes, if AS3X and SAFE were turned on, on a Spektrum RX and I just tossed it loosely in an airplane, it would probably not even by flyable honestly. But in this case, those features were not turned on. In fact, I’ve flown hundreds of planes with Spektrum receivers tossed loosely in the plane (not recommended) but not as lose that it could hit a servo or something and have had nothing but success. Again, you have a very great thought process on this matter. I intend to do a follow up on the concept of CG in airplanes, which I believe is the main issue here. That, or too much drag and not enough power possibly. Happy Flying and thanks for watching and your input! 👍💯😎🙏⚓️
Great looking plane. Obvious design fault not enabling the battery further forward being blocked but the landing gear. I think if the plane flew well you'd have overlooked the shoddy instruction manual and choice in glue albeit after reading other comments their experience with the same glue has offered great tips. Good constructive review. Be nice if you were able to make some modifications yourself to improve it. I'd eagerly watch a successful flight and your process if you managed to pull it off.
throwing a battery in, not checking CG just before flight, not digging a bit more on the trimming issue... fair enough, is an out of the box review, but is it a fair one? I honestly think the problem there was the drag of all the missiles and shit. A tail heavy plane once with speed tends to pitch up, yours was pitching down (probably too forward). Getting to identify the issue and fixing it, would be a way to understand if the savings are worth it. As it was, it was friking unflyable... and it shows. But are you hands down convinced that is the actual performance of this airframe once settled up? Btw...the dig on the tail heavy guys was unnecessary... Awesome save in the first fly tho kudos on your sticks reactions
Not sure what you mean about a dig, but regarding the plane I acknowledge there needs to be work done for this to fly better. Look, we share our honest and generally out of the box experience on all planes. I’m happy to do a follow up on an airplane and talk about the adjustments and improvements the user needs to do for it to fly right, but as a first impression maiden flight I believe it would be unfair to make something look better than what it really is. Comparing apples to apples here as far as maiden flights go. Thanks for your input and happy flying! 👍💯⚓️
@@TheRcSaylors nah. Indeed i would be disappointed if you were going to make it look better than what it is. But if we talk about "are the savings worth it"? We will never know if they are till we find out how (if even possible) make it fly better. Is it setup? Did you overlook something when decrypting the instructions (specially if they were in standard chinglish... ) it may even be that is just friking crap and therefore savings aren't worth it. I honestly was trying to be constructive.
Just thinking, what if you 3D printed some rails or even bought some? Then you could slide the rockets and missiles on and off whenever you wanted. 3D printing has changed so much stuff, especially in the hobby world. Cool video. 🙂
Is the receiver or esc have a gyro? If it does and now mounted a specific way it’ll fly crazy like what you’re experiencing! Either than or it’s the bombs that are creating problems? Nice review also….very cool looking plane!
I maiden my first jet Eflight A-10 64mm so much better. Got into trouble when I used reverse thrust on 5th flight landing and banging the front down hard.
I for one would like to see you get this thing balanced properly and flying strait and see how it does then. My experience is that for the most part only eflight/HH planes can be trusted to balance with the recommended battery. Oh and great save. My hands would have been shaking.
I had a f 16 that flew like that out the box from fms i said screw it and crashed into the ground twice its in one piece i can fly it again if i want to i am surprised lol
@TheRcSaylors just seemed to hate it from the start didn't keep am open mind about it then it just flew like absolutely garbage if seen one being flown and it wasn't like this maybe you had a faulty craft
Great video. I like the color. I can't waste my money on any plane. I only made that mistake once and will never spend more than maybe 100 bucks on one again. I have seen people trash planes that cost thousands. All set. All that hard work to crash. No rc plane is worth that. I will stick to my surface cars. Tape up that flap on the landing gear in the front. The drag from the landing gear flap is probly causing the weird flying problem.
For Dynam version, you need to put the battery bout 3 inches from the nose otherwise it wont take off at all. Too nose heavy. I think you need to do the same
In some ways I do too. In others, I’m not too thrilled about it. All that’s going to happen is all of these toxic Motion people are going to come out of the woodwork and tell us to go away again. Seems to be the worst RC community we’ve ever experienced. Even worse than drones! 🤯💯⚓️
ry, Big dodges valid points worse than a politician. The only reason he hasn’t been blocked is because he is single handedly driving audience engagement on this video up more than any video ever. Lol. He keeps editing his original comments too, to make it look like I’m not addressing what he asks. Anyways, thanks Big! 🙏❤️⚓️
That glue is actually really good. It's a contact cement. You have to put a little bit on both sides a very small amount like a thin film and let it sit for 5 minutes before you press the parts together. If you just goop it on and press it together it will take forever to dry and make a mess. I use it all the time. You can use magnets for the ordinance like I did. I wish they would include magnets. I also wish they would include an ELF to build it for me cause frankly I'm tired of building stuff. Also with all the advancements, there is no reason to use glue. Everything should be made to screw together. I just want to pull it out and fly. lol Negative Nate cracks me up. 😂
Fair enough. I’m just not familiar with using this glue on any of my planes, honestly. Thanks for that feedback! And I agree with the rest of your comment. This plane just feels “old” I guess. Like a decade old or so. Happy Flying my friend! 👍💯😎⚓️
I would definitely take the ordinance off the bottom and give it another shot and don’t pay any attention to the others in the comments with nothing but bad to say those are the ones that wouldn’t be happy with any honest review I have 4 A10 airplanes and they all fly like a brick with the ordinance especially the fuel tank seems to make the most difference keep up the good work
Not everyone needs to have the wires labeled to prevent a panic attack. I use a servo tester to check every wire during setup to center the servos anyway and figure out which is which (even if labeled) in a couple minutes! It’s not the big deal you waste time pointing out. Please do better.
With a 3200mah battery, plane requires at least 2 ounces of lead in the front. With a 4000mah battery, one ounce is sufficient. This is an old model from Freewing with a new paintjob. Landing gear is terrible. Assembly is cumbersome. Fit and finish is only ok. Plane has many issues, flying being one of them. This is definitely not one of Freewing''s better planes.
The added weight suggestion is what I have been told. I could never get this plane to fly. Haven't totally given up. Intend to strip it down of ordinances, change aileron and elevator servos, put a cheap receiver in it, and try again.
Haven’t tried the Freewing A-10, but the 70mm F-16 flies circles around the Eflite 70mm Thunderbird. Way faster and lighter on its feet. That being said the build quality isn’t quite as good as the Eflite offering imo. Maybe try taking a Spektrum AR637TA and downloading the programming from the Eflite Warthog onto it and installing it in your Freewing A-10… since it’s basically the same size as the Eflite one I’d think with the correct transmitter and receiver programming it would fly pretty much exactly like it’s supposed to fly, like the Eflite one does…. Probably worth a shot…. And as far as CG goes, I always go as far back as I possibly can in all my EDF’s and the further rearward the better they fly for me…. Makes me think that maybe your control throws were off or something. Using the Eflite receiver programming and transmitter programming would alleviate those issues more than likely. Good luck with it!
The big difference between the E-Flite and Freewing 70mm F-16 is the horizontal stabs. Full moving on the vs only elevator surfaces on E-Flite. The E-flite may have a bit more torque as well. Tailerons are very effective on the Freewing F-16. Regarding the A-10s, I have one of the same green camo versions in my hangar that has yet to fly, not for lack of trying. (Been flying my Freewing F-16 and Eflite P-47 and Air Tractor instead.) Have spent so much time on the Freewing A-10 and just about have given up. The E-flite A-10 is VASTLY superior.
Loose all the ordinance. Its a big airbrake and will cause the nose to drop. The look isn't worth it. If your elevator is trimmed significantly up when you land then it's too nose heavy. (Or it's compensating fro all that drag down low) Same reason cubs climb under power, thrust is low and drag is up high. (Other direction)
@@TheRcSaylors I don’t get that, to me a new toy is a puzzle to be worked out to satisfaction. In fact sometimes I may lose a bit of interest in one once I get it all figured out. Challenges to be met. Figure this one out, post a video of how you tamed it. Heck your nose cone is already off, if you do need weight there now is as good a time as any.
Ain't there anything to stop the lipo from sliding backwards making it tail heavy? Just the velcro strap is not enought, i always put velcro on the lipo and bottom of the hatch too.
Credibility lost … this was just a hit piece against Freewing (sponsored by Horizon?). You’re out of touch. I just returned from EDF Jet Jam and fully 90% of the models there were Freewing models and the rest were BVM, FMS, X-fly, AeroFoam, and literally a couple of E-Flite.
@@TheRcSaylors I do not have that plane, I have no opinion on your findings about the model ... I disagree with the way you did this video, it's clearly a hit piece and done with ill intent. A proper evaluation of a bad model is fine ... but this came off as a pure hit against Motion/Freewing. It's almost like you picked their cheapest, smallest model and looked for faults. Maybe do a review of the Eurofighter or the Cougar and then you will see why Freewing is the current leader in the EDF game. ... not Eflight.
Wow. We usually buy 1:16 scale RC Tanks from them. I believe we're up to 15 of them and only once we had a problem where they quickly rectified the situation. Very surprised. Maybe under new slacker Mgmt? 😂
No company is going to make an aircraft fly like that out of the box, they would not have a business for very long if they did, the set up was completely wrong, I've been flying for years and the CG was off on this plane for sure. I am not partial to any brand of RC, but this aircraft was clearly not set up properly.
The cheap Aeroscout just about flies like this out of the box, for example. They may have fixed it now, but the early product like flew pretty rough. I say this because all companies are capable of releasing a dud! DJI and their first mini was pretty awful too. We made a very unpopular video on that topic that made a LOT of DJI fans mad, but it was true! So true that DJI released an updated version a mere months later. It happens! This was just our honest maiden experience 💯⚓️
After being torn to shreds by the toxic Motion RC community I’m not sure I care to honestly. They are by far the worst group ever. Worst than Traxxas fans and even the race drone community. Me doing this video confirmed my impressions. They’ve really just made themselves look even worse! 😬💯⚓️
At the end of the day, Nate is right. You will wish you had spent a bit more and bought the E-flite A-10. I own a Freewing A-10. It's no surprise that Motion does not post their reviews of this A-10, or why they do not have more videos of the A-10 flying. God bless Wesley for actually pulling off a decent flight and landing in that beast.
This is the only Freewing plane that I have that has been more Dynam-like. Spent a bunch of time rerouting the servo leads, adding extension as needed, put an 8 channel AS3X receiver, removed blue box, and setup per assembly book. On maiden takeoff, plane took the entire runway to lift, and when it got about 10 feet high, pitched down violently. Plane pancaked into grass with a hard 3 point landing. New front retract and some foam repair, I tried again. Plane never would lift off the runway. After many fails, I packed it back into the truck, took it home, stripped the receiver, and there it sits. I tried leaving reviews on Motion RC, always giving the plane the benefit of doubt. NONE of these reviews have made it on to the Motion website. Shame on Motion and Freewing for putting this piece of junk out one more time, albeit with a new paint job. Seems like they wanted to rake a bit more of those hard-earned RC dollars from it's customers and didn't have a good new release so they re-released this pig. I have many Freewing planes, and most are great. Freewing does not go cheap when it comes to hinge or overall build quality that you will sometimes find with E-flite. But E-flite planes always fly. Hats off to Eflite's engineering department for this. Will continue to buy E-flite, FMS, Freewing, and X-Fly Model planes. Except now, I will look for the above-mentioned red flags when shopping for a new plane.
I'm glad you did this video... I like that you are showing a mix of good experiences and bad experiences as helps remind us sometimes we need to deal with the bad experiences. As for the comments, not so sure I enjoy the mix there. :-( (I haveto keep reminding myself that is is good that folks have a chance to voice their opinions.)
Ive only got FMS and Eflight planes. I enjoy the "build" part of this hobby. So, i have considered Dynam planes and even some Freewing/motionRC planes that are priced low-ish. I have no desire to give Motion a single dollar after this- not because of the video. The video actually entrigued me quite a bit MORE- i kind of wanted to see what i could do with it. But, after reading some of the trashy MotionRC fanclub comments- just name calling and cherry picking you "bashing" the product? No thanks. I dont want anything to do with that nonsense. Other youtubers have hinted about that company and their questionable practices. I didnt know how right they are. Crappy companies have crappy fans. Congrats on the 1000% audience interaction jump with this one, guys 😂👍
Nate, please try the Freewing Vulcan 6s. Overall, I found it to be a relatively easy build and it is a MAGNIFICENT flyer! Plus, that bright yellow makes for excellent visibility in the sky! With that said, I have to admit that the decals are a bit of a letdown as I have one pealing off on one wing. It’s a bummer, but I still love the plane and I think you will too if you give it a try.
For a £200 plus VAT jet u think my Vulcan is excellent. Had it on 7s and it's ultra smooth. Added my own LEDs on the belly but after a very happy few maidens the other days she's worth the extra effort of some green Nav lights front and rear.
There is no excuse for releasing a plug and play airplane and then having to modify the wiring, modify how the ordinance attaches, modify the elevator, put lead in the tail or nose, take the ordinance off perhaps, have to use a gyro or it flies like sh#t. I can understand this with a kit, or an ARF, but with a PNP this unacceptable in my opinion. Ive personally had to do this with kits and ARFs because everyone puts different electronics, or engines, batteries, etc in the plane. But PNP is supposed to be as close to BNF as possible albeit just add your own receiver. Maybe with enough modification this plane will fly well, but for a maiden right out of the box and what could happen to someone if this was their 2nd or maybe 3rd aircraft and don't have the wealth of knowledge a lot of others do, i think I'm that regard, this was an honest review. Missed you guys Nate and Abby at the AMA FunFly! Hopefully next year! Keep up the great work, you've always been in my top 3 favorite for RC UA-camrs! Happy Flying!
I am impressed. Not with the plane, but with your skills in flying correctively with this Motion plane. That takes skill...which you have demonstrated numerous times...even your crashes demonstrate skill because we have to try to crash safely.
Why didn't you check the CG on Camera? It should tell you on the manual where on the wing the CG should be. Just because you put the recommended size battery does not mean it will be correct. Sometimes you need to add nose weight. Especially if you used a heavier glue like hot glue to put it together which can add lots of weight to the tail. Always physically check the CG on the wing to see if it is balancing on the CG. If not add some weight to the nose. Otherwise, it will never fly well. Not all batteries weigh the same. Edit don't worry about all the negative comments. They are just Moition RC shills. They will attack anyone who says anything wrong about their planes. The problem I see is next time show yourself physically checking the CG of the planes before the flight otherwise you will always have people get upset when a plane doesn't fly well. Balance it on the CG upside down for low-wing planes and right side up for high-wing planes. I know that A10 flies very well because I have flown one at our club. You also need to add a bit of upelevator after you get the correct CG. Once you do that it will fly perfectly. Keep your head up. Don't let the negative people bother you. I would just block them.
Lots of my swap meet finds flew like that initially. On the maiden, I'll tend to just trim the elevator down until it flies straight and level. However, it will definitely fly better with a fixed cg. I'm laying off new jet purchases for now, but I could definitely get that trimmed. I have enough experience flying tail-heavy planes on purpose! (Oh, and I have been wind foiling my windsurfer on these windy days!)
Fly that funky plane flyboy, fly that funky thing.😮😂😊. Yep looks good, but all the other build & flying complications, would make me want to spend the Xtra $$$ for a more❓️ quality product. To be fair your going to have to add the 👃weight to see if it ⚖️ out & flies better. So fix & fly❓️. Hey Abby 👋 👋. ⚓️⚓️👍💛🧡💚👍👃⚖️❓️😮😂😊👍👋👋👍⚓️⚓️.
I’ve been a long time subscriber. I’m not gunna say they’re the best planes out there. Horizon does a great job with the bnf planes. But motion does as well with the pnp. I really hope you try one of their premium pnp planes like a twin 80mm a10 or the single 90 f22. Both IN MY OPINION are better than anything horizon has released with the viper 90 being the only exception.
@@TheRcSaylors I do not because I purchased the twin 80 instead. I also have a pj50 from them as well as the f22. I’m not throwing any shade or anything I just hope you try some of their premium products before assuming the entire brand is bad. Hope y’all have a good day.
I have this plane and had the same experience as Nate. Wes posted a vid about CG, adding an once of weight to the nose and canopy, and making up adjustment to the elevator. Thankfully I was able to get mine down without any significant damage. I don’t think Nate was bashing Motion; he was just giving an honest assessment of the plane.
At least Dynam's come with really good glue and lots of it. I actually use it on other brand planes. Should try the Dynam A10 to compare, it's cheaper and they have a new improved V2 with a similar color scheme. I still fly my Dynam Primo I got back when you reviewed it, one of my favorite planes.
I might do that, but will have to wait until I have $300 to throw away which might take a while. Dynam is such a huge risk to buy, I’d almost rather buy scratchers. I don’t do that, but just saying. It’s so risky! 😬💯⚓️
Boy this video has brought out the negative Nellie’s, I applaud the fact that you give an honest review of the plane, and the fact that the flight is on video is further proof that it is just a horrible plane. I say good riddance to the people who think you are biased and Horizon sponsored UA-cam reviewers.
I’m so glad someone else (and others) are catching the vibes of those being nasty. It feels like they are thinking I’m saying bad things about Motion and not this RC. Almost like the company employees were told to log on or something lol. I didn’t say I wouldn’t buy another Motion plane. Also, we say bad things about Horizon stuff and all companies for that matter, lol. Thanks for being a real human 🙏❤️💯⚓️
You can take an easy flying T28 and get it to fly that badly with a bad cog. BTDT by forgetting to attach velcro to a new battery. It’s wonderful when a plane flies great right out of the box and the recommended settings are to the likening of the majority. It doesn’t always happen. That is one thing that I love about the latest Eflite 1.2 meter BNF warbirds. Safe after checking that it works in the right direction will get you in the air and at altitude to then turn safe off and do your tuning up there. If it is really bad, land and do what you need to do. Before I would never do that with any controlling software, tune the plane au natural before ever chancing the safe software. It avoids the ride the dragon of death maidensof yore. Lots of planes tell you set ups that are nose heavy (not a bad thing) or their recommended rates are too exreme or too light. Expecting a plane to fly the way you like it on the manual set up is a crap shoot. Granted it shouldn’t be unflyable either.
The question is not if I own that aircraft or if I am “subbed” to your channel, it’s your ineptness ability to review, without bias, R/C products. Look at your UA-cam channel, at the thumbnail after thumbnail of crash, crash, crash. Over the years you would think one would learn from their mistakes!
He already said the question is not about the airplane! It’s about bias and incompetence. Even your replies don’t address the initial comment. This sounds like something Abby would say.
One note, you said you were using the recommended battery. In fact it was too small as they recommend a 3300 and you ran a 3200. Additionally, Spektrum batteries tend to be lighter than others and this may have caused your CG problem. I do commend you for managing to land it the first time. Looked very sketchy
Speky SMART 6s7000mah is a full pound heavier than a Liperior 6s7000mah. I have not found SMART batteries to be lighter than comparable dumb batteries. I like my SMART bricks, but I use dumb batteries just as much. I would say choosing a battery for a plane just on cell count and capacity while ignoring the actual mass/weight of the battery is a mistake.
The Freewing Glue is contact glue, use a thin coat on both surfaces fit the parts together pull them apart and let the glue dry a while, 1 minute, and press the parts in place. Jeff in LA USA
I really appreciate your reviews! Brutal honesty is why I watch your videos. I have purchased RC aircraft based on videos such as this or know what to avoid. In this day and age this was a stupid risk in that companies part. I would spend the extra to get a better RTF. I also watched the other review with the two A10s, even with the model like aesthetics I would rather spend more to be in the air versus having to spend money to fix a flawed model!
I’ve had nothing but good experiences with motionrc and one of my favorite planes is the freewing 80mm Avanti v2. Sometimes a model is a miss but freewing has more hits than misses.
I've got an 80mm AvantiS and it's probably one of the best sport jets in that class. But even on paper, this 4S twin 64mm A-10 is gonna be little light on power. And it wouldn't be the first time I've had to play around with CG on some of the lower cost planes out there.
Latest coming out of motion is.... set the elevator to 5mm up above the datum mark printed into the foam.... put the CoG at 45mm not 55mm; and if you have to add around 2 ounce of weight in the nose. With regards to the spaghetti wiring i have seen worse. Glad I saw this before I maiden mine. Thanks for insight.
That's by far, in my opinion, the BEST LOOKING A-10 I've ever seen, and remember, sometimes it takes a few flights to dial in a new bird.
How you brought it down in one piece, on 'a wing & a prayer,' has me convinced it just needs to be stripped of ordinance & well CG'd
So don't give up on it Nate, it wants to fly.... & so do you!
Do you balance your planes first, or just slap a battery in and hope it works?
I like to tape my batteries to the outside of airplanes to push them to their extreme on all of my maidens. Obviously I balance them, but this plane clearly needed help. How many CG issues have you seen on our channel? Not many. The last that comes to mind was mentioned in this video. Hope you’re having a great weekend! 👍💯😎⚓️
@@TheRcSaylors Simmer down there big boy! It was just a question.
It was a sarcastic question which got a sarcastic answer. These are just foam toys my friend. Have an awesome day! 💯❤️⚓️
@@TheRcSaylors Oh Nate, you've been so touchy lately. After all, these are just "foam toys"!!
@@Kbeezzy23 normally go off the recommended battery size here
I genuinely appreciate that you bring enthusiasm for the RC hobby to a wide audience, and make things seem simple, easy, and approachable. The hobby has gone through massive changes over the past 20 years, and it truly is easier than ever. WITH THAT SAID: I really think it would benefit your viewers to dig a little deeper once in a while in a situation like this. The manual for this aircraft specifies a CG range that is less than a quarter of an inch. Use this as an opportunity to show how it's done! Warbirds/scale models in particular can be really sensitive to improper setup, and as your viewers transition into larger, more expensive, and more complicated airframes, they need to know how to do so safely and properly. It's important to check the CG and make it right before that maiden. Pushing the battery forward may not be enough - maybe it needs lead shoved into the nose foam. Part of a review is showing whatever extra work you had to go through to make the model right for the maiden - and it's of benefit to your viewers. Sure, the eflite A10 is better; but there is still plenty to learn and gain from this model - and maybe with a little more time invested, it just might be a fine flying model with scale flight performance to back up it's looks. Kick it up a notch and let's find out!
Very fun video y'all! Thanks for flying this for us!
Great video. Definitely don't be scared to try other freewing stuff . I'd love to see more freewing stuff on your channel! That A-10 has to be the worst I've seen from them by watching other videos of it . But freewing stuff is usually great. I have several. You would love the t-33 it flies awesome and the f-22 raptor 90mm . But your video could definitely help inform people on the bad ones .
Thanks again!!
More motion RC please. I fly a lot of their planes especially along with Horizon and have had great results. I m just getting ready to maiden my 80 mm A-10 from Freewing. I hope mine goes better. Their F22, and Avanti’s are excellent.
They won't because they are too affiliated with Horizon. Only Motion videos you will see is them bashing Motionrc.
Not trying to be negative, but did you not check CG before maiden?! Or was the stated CG in the instructions incorrect? Because that sure looked tailheavy.
From my personal experience by helping my friend build it. The build wasn’t that bad. But was also not on par with eflite or fms. And the flight went very good so it must be quality control or just user error
I would love to see the Motion RC Skynetic Bison!
Maybe bring it back with some of the recommended fixes 🤷🏼♂️
I had the first version of this plane for my first Edf. It did the exact same thing yours did on that first take off. I could only keep it in the air for about 15 seconds before it went smashing into the ground. I was crushed and stopped flying for awhile cause after that experience I thought It was my fault and decided rc plane wasn’t for me. After watching this video, I might try and get back into the hobby.
Love y’all’s videos!
Also would u be willing to try the 64mm crusader from motion rc? It’s pretty inexpensive, and have been considering it. But would love to hear would you have to say about it.
I’ll definitely check it out! See!? This, you are the exact reason we make our videos. 100%. I know our video didn’t save you from this experience, but it might help revive your love for the hobby and try again! Thanks for leaving this comment 🙏👍💯⚓️
@@TheRcSaylors thx, love you guys!
So u fly a maiden without checking cg
No, I checked and the instructions were off. I always check all of my planes. Do you own this airplane? Please, put your money where your mouth is and follow up with me! 👍💯⚓️
@@TheRcSaylors sir my mouth is commenting off of your video and your comments I have the 70mm .Aa far aa checking the cg prior to a maiden I do it the old fashion way with math to avoid the issue you encountered. BE WELL Also your a bit rude .
To be clear, you do NOT own this aircraft? Yet you’ve formed an opinion against us and for the plane? Ok…. 😅💯⚓️
@@TheRcSaylors against you you are seriously troubled YOU MADE A VIDEO POSTED IT SUBJECTED IT TO VIEWS AND OPINIONS.WHICH I GAVE FORMING THEM FROM YOUR OWN INFROMATION . Sir if u can't deal with a opinion not of yours you shouldn't be posting anything .Have a great day !!!
8:35 SHEESH!! That was a nailbiter you guys!!
2nd flight not much better.. It is a handsome looking model though. You didn't even try the flaps! (Like you had time to)
Would LOVE to see more Motion RC products! They seem to have some pretty cool items on their site for sure. Good looking planes.
I would be interested in yall trying some of their new 64mm lineup. I know you have had issues in the past with Motion RC, but the things getting more and more expensive there a company still offering good-looking planes for the price. Yall make great and honest content and think a lot of people want unbiased videos on Motions products.
They are sponsored by horizon....smh
Stop spreading false information Kbeezy and bige…. You are both acting like you own Motion or something. This was focussed on the model, not the company. Do you guys own stock at Motion or something? Sheesh! 😬😅⚓️
@@TheRcSaylorsyes what's false? Horizon doesn't send you free planes and arrma trucks?
Not sure what receiver you’re using, but definitely looked spectrum. If it has AS3X/SAFE, you can’t just throw it around in there after programming and expect it to work correctly. Also if you were holding up elevator, I would think it’s nose heavy, not tail heavy. The way it looked to be nose diving definitely seemed that way 🤷♂️. Also the freewing glue is my favorite foam glue. It just needs to be used correctly. Not the entire tube squeezed into one vertical stab.
This why love supporting TheRcSaylors always tells us important things like that putting the plane ✈️ together etc and they always tell us if something not right or worth your money etc always awesome 👏 vids my friends happy flying all 😊😊😊😊⚓️⚓️⚓️⚓️
How good a pilot is show not by how well they fly when everything is perfect, but how they fly when things go haywire. And the fact that you were able to get it back down on the ground in one piece on that first flight is a testament to your skill as an RC pilot, Nate.
Thank you very much my good friend! That means a lot 🙏💯⚓️
The rolls looked axial, didn't see any dutch rolling wobble, I think you had the cg in the right spot.
You might be on to something! Could be too much drag from all of the ordinances? Just a frustrating “build” experience and one of the worst flying EDFs I’ve had my hands on. Some in the comments seem really upset by these facts. Could just be Motion employees? lol. Dunno. 😅⚓️
I have heard just wing tip tanks make a big difference, I probably would have used magnets on all that ordinance and flown without it.
I would like to see it again repaired and modified for better flight
More motion RC aircraft would be great!! I too have a number of their aircraft as well as Horizon and FMS. Thank you Sir
Really a great looking plane. I’d like to see what it takes for you to make this jet fun to fly.
Guessing a good bit of nose weight would help it out. It’s still a frustrating “build” and I was honestly surprised how “old” it felt compared to Eflite, FMS, Arrows and some others out there. 💯⚓️
I have the older version of the Freewing 64mm A-10. I assembled mine using neodymium magnets to hold the ordinances and fuel tank on, and maidened it without them. Take it from me, you do NOT want to fly on a 2200 mAh battery. I kept my flight short, since I flew on the smallest battery recommended, but came in a bit high on my first landing approach. When I went to throttle up to go around, I didn't have enough power left, and crashed.
That said, when I was flying it, it flew fine for me. It took me a few moments to get the feel of the controls, but the crash was my fault for not have enough battery for the timer I had set. I usually try to make sure I have my timer expire with enough power left for an extra go-around or two if needed, and since I didn't really have a good idea of how much power it was going to pull, I miscalculated.
Iam sorry Nate u had so many problems but the version one was the same way. 3200 mah battery way to small even with a 3600 it flys fine but on landing it will act tail heavy. I added nose weight with magnets in the gun area this made landings so much better. Also had to add blind nuts too the wood mount and change mounting screws to bolts. Also had to add another spar back across the flap area as hard landings cause a Crack to start from inboard flap cut line. Also nose door sometimes gets stuck from steering and spring doesn't close the door in the air at times. If u don't want to add weight put a 4000 in it with the upgraded motors this should give u more flight time and good cg placement
This is all wrong. If an aircraft is tail heavy it will not have a nose down flight tendency. The glue that comes with the kit is fine. Dont overuse the glue and glob it on and not clean up after. If a little oozes out and you leave it, of course it’s going to look bad. That was just bad assembly of the model. The stickers on servo wires are not a big deal and would make it even harder to fish through the wing. I don’t know why you are complaining about having to fish wires through a fuselage. It’s not hard. Many many models have that design. It’s part of the hobby and if someone is complaining about that then this hobby isn’t for them. This aircraft did not get a fair review and wasn’t assembled very well either looking at the pictures you have. Looked like you rushed the build and just slapped a receiver in it with no Velcro or anything and stuffing the antennas in the nose (which is a big no no) because of dead zones on receiver antennas. They have to be 90 degrees from each other. If you had AS3X or SAFE programmed in then that would explain why it was flying the way it flew. The receiver has to be secure and not be able move or else vibration and forces of flight will cause it to jump around in there and it will think the aircraft is flying like this but it’s actually the receiver moving. So it compensates for itself and moves control surfaces that don’t need to be moved. Please get better and not bash rc planes. Some people don’t have the money to spend on an E flite aircraft. Be fair to all products
The bias is very obvious in this whole clip, very sad. No company would have a model that flies like this, set up was wrong. Trash talking a company about one of their products that was not set up the right way is not cool at all, fail.
This is 100% caused by the way the receiver is tossed in there. It looks like an AR631. Which absolutely must be secured, aligned and programmed. Correctly. This was a really bad review and I have to agree, comes across as a hit piece.
Now it'd good that you are reviewing motionrc planes. Thank you Rcsaylors
Glad you are happy to see Motion here. I’ll give them another shot but this was a very disappointing experience honestly. Hoping they’ve got better models. 👍😎🤞💯⚓️
I ❤ Freewing!
NICE!!! 🛩️
In the past all of the failed flights and crashed flights rc saylors bring back fixed for another flight vid, hopefully they do the same with the freewing A-10 EDF rc jet.
We are hoping to do a follow up of this, yes. 👍💯⚓️
I really liked this channel. I consistently watch. However, lately it seems you let the comments get to you about too many positive reviews. You now are compensating by releasing multiple videos bashing products in order to just counter those comments. The no-name drone video with no flight was a joke. This A-10 video feels fake & forced all around. These videos lately feel extremely forced and not genuine. You can see right through them as you can tell in the comments. Guys, get back to what you do. Continue to do what made your channel successful. If a bad plane comes a long during that process, speak up on it. But don't do these forced videos.
What part feels fake? You think he was making the plane fly like that?
I’ll back Mach3RC YES !!! If you give that plane to any real RC pilot it will not fly like that after 3 flights. The quality of this channel is bad. They haven’t made a real review in years it’s all to make money. And watch this man fly no offense but he’s bad. He does a couple circles and lands at most a very forced trick or two. The videos are annoyingly false because he talks about nothing for too long and flies badly. Most of the crashes are visibly user error.
@@PropplaneRC This channel is all about how they fly out of the box. You want him to reformat what they do to please you? Where I'm from we call that a sellout. Go cry to someone else. 😥🤧🤮 #toxiccommunity
@@Kbeezzy23 They know how, and so do I. This channel tests RC's out of the box, so you know what to expect. They do not tweak them in any shape or form. Straight out of the box testing, with videos of the maiden flight. If they do a second or third flight, it is disclosed from the beginning. Otherwise they are all out of the box runs. What is so hard to understand? You can make a channel of the 35th flight and show how good they are after you put the magic touch on it. I'm sure there are 1 or 2 people that would want to see that.
@@Kbeezzy23 No one said it was? Are you a 5th grader, or do you just read like one?
I liked 1st 🎉🎉😂😂 amazing vids btw keep it up
Woot!! Super Early Squad! 👍💯😎🤩⚓️
@TheRcSaylors thanks appreciate it!
Nate, dude. You KNOW the receiver can’t just be tossed in there. Unless you EVER only bought Bind N Fly’s. ALL Spektrum receivers MUST be secured and aligned if using AS3X or SAFE and then forward programming has to be done(correctly). If not, this is EXACTLY what happens. I do this all the time with PNP’s. However, I did once have a receiver come loose in a plane and it looked EXACTLY like this. If it’s not a spectrum receiver, disregard all of the above 😂 Looks like and AR631 though, in which case everything above applies. The more I watch the more frustrating I find it. Especially seeing all the people who just take your word for it, when in reality it was your mistake.
You have extremely valid points! Yes, if AS3X and SAFE were turned on, on a Spektrum RX and I just tossed it loosely in an airplane, it would probably not even by flyable honestly. But in this case, those features were not turned on. In fact, I’ve flown hundreds of planes with Spektrum receivers tossed loosely in the plane (not recommended) but not as lose that it could hit a servo or something and have had nothing but success. Again, you have a very great thought process on this matter. I intend to do a follow up on the concept of CG in airplanes, which I believe is the main issue here. That, or too much drag and not enough power possibly. Happy Flying and thanks for watching and your input! 👍💯😎🙏⚓️
I'm pretty sure Nate knows what he's doing, why second guess the man?
@@jessjoshwyatt3571 Because nobody is infallible and if we don't question the "experts" we get things like the Star Wars prequels.
@@TheRcSaylorsshouldn’t you check the cg per the specs ?
Would love to see a follow-up flight after fine tuning the plane. I just maidened mine and it flew great.
Nate that's one bad looking plane brother
Great looking plane. Obvious design fault not enabling the battery further forward being blocked but the landing gear. I think if the plane flew well you'd have overlooked the shoddy instruction manual and choice in glue albeit after reading other comments their experience with the same glue has offered great tips. Good constructive review. Be nice if you were able to make some modifications yourself to improve it. I'd eagerly watch a successful flight and your process if you managed to pull it off.
If the receiver has as3x that wpuld explane the large oscillations. To fix this connect the receiver to the plane with a solid connection
Just kept it dumb. No AS3X set up at all. 💯⚓️
@@TheRcSaylors Interesting perhapse it came set up withoit ypu kbowing abput it or the airframe actually bent that much.
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throwing a battery in, not checking CG just before flight, not digging a bit more on the trimming issue... fair enough, is an out of the box review, but is it a fair one? I honestly think the problem there was the drag of all the missiles and shit. A tail heavy plane once with speed tends to pitch up, yours was pitching down (probably too forward). Getting to identify the issue and fixing it, would be a way to understand if the savings are worth it. As it was, it was friking unflyable... and it shows. But are you hands down convinced that is the actual performance of this airframe once settled up?
Btw...the dig on the tail heavy guys was unnecessary... Awesome save in the first fly tho kudos on your sticks reactions
Not sure what you mean about a dig, but regarding the plane I acknowledge there needs to be work done for this to fly better. Look, we share our honest and generally out of the box experience on all planes. I’m happy to do a follow up on an airplane and talk about the adjustments and improvements the user needs to do for it to fly right, but as a first impression maiden flight I believe it would be unfair to make something look better than what it really is. Comparing apples to apples here as far as maiden flights go. Thanks for your input and happy flying! 👍💯⚓️
@@TheRcSaylors nah. Indeed i would be disappointed if you were going to make it look better than what it is. But if we talk about "are the savings worth it"? We will never know if they are till we find out how (if even possible) make it fly better. Is it setup? Did you overlook something when decrypting the instructions (specially if they were in standard chinglish... ) it may even be that is just friking crap and therefore savings aren't worth it.
I honestly was trying to be constructive.
I do genuinely appreciate your comment! I intend to do a follow up with this A-10, especially based on feedback like yours! Thank you! 🙏💯👍⚓️
Just thinking, what if you 3D printed some rails or even bought some? Then you could slide the rockets and missiles on and off whenever you wanted. 3D printing has changed so much stuff, especially in the hobby world. Cool video. 🙂
I LOVE that idea!! 👍💯⚓️
Is the receiver or esc have a gyro? If it does and now mounted a specific way it’ll fly crazy like what you’re experiencing! Either than or it’s the bombs that are creating problems?
Nice review also….very cool looking plane!
No gyro. Well, it can have one but I kept everything “dumb” which is generally the way I prefer to fly, lol! 😉😅😂💯⚓️
@@TheRcSaylors I agree then , it must need more weight in the front or the bombs are causing problems with turbulence?
I maiden my first jet Eflight A-10 64mm so much better. Got into trouble when I used reverse thrust on 5th flight landing and banging the front down hard.
Use a servo tester then label, easy.
I for one would like to see you get this thing balanced properly and flying strait and see how it does then. My experience is that for the most part only eflight/HH planes can be trusted to balance with the recommended battery. Oh and great save. My hands would have been shaking.
I had a f 16 that flew like that out the box from fms i said screw it and crashed into the ground twice its in one piece i can fly it again if i want to i am surprised lol
Show us the controller while nate is flying because I don't believe this was a fair review
Why don’t you believe that? ⚓️
@TheRcSaylors just seemed to hate it from the start didn't keep am open mind about it then it just flew like absolutely garbage if seen one being flown and it wasn't like this maybe you had a faulty craft
Great video. I like the color. I can't waste my money on any plane. I only made that mistake once and will never spend more than maybe 100 bucks on one again. I have seen people trash planes that cost thousands. All set. All that hard work to crash. No rc plane is worth that. I will stick to my surface cars. Tape up that flap on the landing gear in the front. The drag from the landing gear flap is probly causing the weird flying problem.
For Dynam version, you need to put the battery bout 3 inches from the nose otherwise it wont take off at all. Too nose heavy. I think you need to do the same
They could do better. Try the new J10A 90mm from Freewing motion rc. They did it rite with that jet. Nice vid guys great flying bud
Great save.
Thanks! 🙏💯👍😅⚓️
That was a scary flight
Very! 😬😅💯⚓️
I want to see if you can fix the issues and get it to fly right. And what all it takes to get it ready.
In some ways I do too. In others, I’m not too thrilled about it. All that’s going to happen is all of these toxic Motion people are going to come out of the woodwork and tell us to go away again. Seems to be the worst RC community we’ve ever experienced. Even worse than drones! 🤯💯⚓️
@@TheRcSaylors You’d be the better for doing it. Bring value to what you started.
Dont forget to bash the new FMS f16. It has glue in parts and other channels have already stated the vertical stabilizer is poor but i bet you wont.
Because of you alone, our audience engagement is us 839% on this video! Thank you so much 🙏💯❤️⚓️
You are welcome! Just as long as I get the word out. That's what matters
@bigeclipse718 where's the proof of them being sponsored 🤔🤔🤔
@@bigeclipse718and I mean all of the comments are saying that there sponsored but others are saying fms or HH or e-flite wich one is it 🤔🤔
ry, Big dodges valid points worse than a politician. The only reason he hasn’t been blocked is because he is single handedly driving audience engagement on this video up more than any video ever. Lol. He keeps editing his original comments too, to make it look like I’m not addressing what he asks. Anyways, thanks Big! 🙏❤️⚓️
That glue is actually really good. It's a contact cement. You have to put a little bit on both sides a very small amount like a thin film and let it sit for 5 minutes before you press the parts together. If you just goop it on and press it together it will take forever to dry and make a mess. I use it all the time. You can use magnets for the ordinance like I did. I wish they would include magnets. I also wish they would include an ELF to build it for me cause frankly I'm tired of building stuff. Also with all the advancements, there is no reason to use glue. Everything should be made to screw together. I just want to pull it out and fly. lol
Negative Nate cracks me up. 😂
Fair enough. I’m just not familiar with using this glue on any of my planes, honestly. Thanks for that feedback! And I agree with the rest of your comment. This plane just feels “old” I guess. Like a decade old or so. Happy Flying my friend! 👍💯😎⚓️
I would definitely take the ordinance off the bottom and give it another shot and don’t pay any attention to the others in the comments with nothing but bad to say those are the ones that wouldn’t be happy with any honest review I have 4 A10 airplanes and they all fly like a brick with the ordinance especially the fuel tank seems to make the most difference keep up the good work
Thank you very much Jason 🙏👍😎💯⚓️
Just a thought on the missiles, maybe attach by velcro?
I'm surprised about MotionRC releasing this plane. Guess we'll wait and see V3 of this plane
They need to make some updates. I was expecting much better and very surprised by its poor quality. Hope to see them bring it back, better. 👍💯😎⚓️
I'm surprised motion RC ( free wing) usually puts out a very solid good flying aircraft
Isn't checking for CG part of pre flights on maidens anymore?
Do you own this aircraft? 🤔⚓️
@@TheRcSaylors Nope, but some others. And I check CG on all of them pre flight since I know where it's supposed to be.
Why did you leave out a link to buy this plane from motion RC?
I think it would make a fun project and it’s nice looking.
Not everyone needs to have the wires labeled to prevent a panic attack. I use a servo tester to check every wire during setup to center the servos anyway and figure out which is which (even if labeled) in a couple minutes! It’s not the big deal you waste time pointing out. Please do better.
Just providing honest feedback. Buy this plane and tell me I’m wrong. 💯⚓️
With a 3200mah battery, plane requires at least 2 ounces of lead in the front. With a 4000mah battery, one ounce is sufficient. This is an old model from Freewing with a new paintjob. Landing gear is terrible. Assembly is cumbersome. Fit and finish is only ok. Plane has many issues, flying being one of them. This is definitely not one of Freewing''s better planes.
The added weight suggestion is what I have been told. I could never get this plane to fly. Haven't totally given up. Intend to strip it down of ordinances, change aileron and elevator servos, put a cheap receiver in it, and try again.
Haven’t tried the Freewing A-10, but the 70mm F-16 flies circles around the Eflite 70mm Thunderbird. Way faster and lighter on its feet. That being said the build quality isn’t quite as good as the Eflite offering imo. Maybe try taking a Spektrum AR637TA and downloading the programming from the Eflite Warthog onto it and installing it in your Freewing A-10… since it’s basically the same size as the Eflite one I’d think with the correct transmitter and receiver programming it would fly pretty much exactly like it’s supposed to fly, like the Eflite one does…. Probably worth a shot…. And as far as CG goes, I always go as far back as I possibly can in all my EDF’s and the further rearward the better they fly for me…. Makes me think that maybe your control throws were off or something. Using the Eflite receiver programming and transmitter programming would alleviate those issues more than likely. Good luck with it!
The big difference between the E-Flite and Freewing 70mm F-16 is the horizontal stabs. Full moving on the vs only elevator surfaces on E-Flite. The E-flite may have a bit more torque as well. Tailerons are very effective on the Freewing F-16. Regarding the A-10s, I have one of the same green camo versions in my hangar that has yet to fly, not for lack of trying. (Been flying my Freewing F-16 and Eflite P-47 and Air Tractor instead.) Have spent so much time on the Freewing A-10 and just about have given up. The E-flite A-10 is VASTLY superior.
Loose all the ordinance. Its a big airbrake and will cause the nose to drop. The look isn't worth it. If your elevator is trimmed significantly up when you land then it's too nose heavy. (Or it's compensating fro all that drag down low) Same reason cubs climb under power, thrust is low and drag is up high. (Other direction)
You need at least 30 or 40 percent expo with that jet.
I could crank it up some more, but it still flew horribly. I don’t believe I’ll be putting this back in the air any time soon. 💯⚓️
@@TheRcSaylors I don’t get that, to me a new toy is a puzzle to be worked out to satisfaction. In fact sometimes I may lose a bit of interest in one once I get it all figured out. Challenges to be met. Figure this one out, post a video of how you tamed it. Heck your nose cone is already off, if you do need weight there now is as good a time as any.
Ain't there anything to stop the lipo from sliding backwards making it tail heavy? Just the velcro strap is not enought, i always put velcro on the lipo and bottom of the hatch too.
I had Velcro on the battery too 👍💯😎⚓️ Good tip!
I liked your videos
Past tense? ⚓️
you guys definitely do the best reviews ever if i need an RC plane review to know if it's good or bad i always go to you guys amazing job 👍👍👍👍
Abby come on you have to stop being such a drama queen.
What’s that? Or, rather How So? 🤔⚓️
Credibility lost … this was just a hit piece against Freewing (sponsored by Horizon?).
You’re out of touch. I just returned from EDF Jet Jam and fully 90% of the models there were Freewing models and the rest were BVM, FMS, X-fly, AeroFoam, and literally a couple of E-Flite.
I’ll pin your comment if you tell me you own this aircraft and still disagree with my statements. 💯⚓️
@@TheRcSaylors I do not have that plane, I have no opinion on your findings about the model ... I disagree with the way you did this video, it's clearly a hit piece and done with ill intent. A proper evaluation of a bad model is fine ... but this came off as a pure hit against Motion/Freewing.
It's almost like you picked their cheapest, smallest model and looked for faults. Maybe do a review of the Eurofighter or the Cougar and then you will see why Freewing is the current leader in the EDF game. ... not Eflight.
Wow. We usually buy 1:16 scale RC Tanks from them. I believe we're up to 15 of them and only once we had a problem where they quickly rectified the situation. Very surprised. Maybe under new slacker Mgmt? 😂
From Motion?
@@TheRcSaylors yes
Performance first, looks second. They should be competing for business, not just putting something out to make money.
Still, well saved. Blessings.
I was wondering why I’ve not seen a single “review” on this EDF!! 😬💯⚓️
No company is going to make an aircraft fly like that out of the box, they would not have a business for very long if they did, the set up was completely wrong, I've been flying for years and the CG was off on this plane for sure. I am not partial to any brand of RC, but this aircraft was clearly not set up properly.
The cheap Aeroscout just about flies like this out of the box, for example. They may have fixed it now, but the early product like flew pretty rough. I say this because all companies are capable of releasing a dud! DJI and their first mini was pretty awful too. We made a very unpopular video on that topic that made a LOT of DJI fans mad, but it was true! So true that DJI released an updated version a mere months later. It happens! This was just our honest maiden experience 💯⚓️
Can you review to Skynetic Cardinal sold by Motion RC?
After being torn to shreds by the toxic Motion RC community I’m not sure I care to honestly. They are by far the worst group ever. Worst than Traxxas fans and even the race drone community. Me doing this video confirmed my impressions. They’ve really just made themselves look even worse! 😬💯⚓️
At the end of the day, Nate is right. You will wish you had spent a bit more and bought the E-flite A-10. I own a Freewing A-10. It's no surprise that Motion does not post their reviews of this A-10, or why they do not have more videos of the A-10 flying. God bless Wesley for actually pulling off a decent flight and landing in that beast.
This is the only Freewing plane that I have that has been more Dynam-like. Spent a bunch of time rerouting the servo leads, adding extension as needed, put an 8 channel AS3X receiver, removed blue box, and setup per assembly book. On maiden takeoff, plane took the entire runway to lift, and when it got about 10 feet high, pitched down violently. Plane pancaked into grass with a hard 3 point landing. New front retract and some foam repair, I tried again. Plane never would lift off the runway. After many fails, I packed it back into the truck, took it home, stripped the receiver, and there it sits. I tried leaving reviews on Motion RC, always giving the plane the benefit of doubt. NONE of these reviews have made it on to the Motion website.
Shame on Motion and Freewing for putting this piece of junk out one more time, albeit with a new paint job. Seems like they wanted to rake a bit more of those hard-earned RC dollars from it's customers and didn't have a good new release so they re-released this pig. I have many Freewing planes, and most are great. Freewing does not go cheap when it comes to hinge or overall build quality that you will sometimes find with E-flite. But E-flite planes always fly. Hats off to Eflite's engineering department for this.
Will continue to buy E-flite, FMS, Freewing, and X-Fly Model planes. Except now, I will look for the above-mentioned red flags when shopping for a new plane.
Rc sailers. You should stop responding to the haters.... it just motivates them to keep hateing
I'm glad you did this video... I like that you are showing a mix of good experiences and bad experiences as helps remind us sometimes we need to deal with the bad experiences. As for the comments, not so sure I enjoy the mix there. :-( (I haveto keep reminding myself that is is good that folks have a chance to voice their opinions.)
That’s why I’m leaving all of them! Exposing the true nature of the Motion RC community. So toxic! 😬💯⚓️
Shouldn’t have to work that hard to get it to fly correctly
I tend to agree. 👍😅💯⚓️
That ordinance situation is nonsense. Wow. Thanks for sharing this with us, Abby and Nate 👍
Ive only got FMS and Eflight planes. I enjoy the "build" part of this hobby. So, i have considered Dynam planes and even some Freewing/motionRC planes that are priced low-ish.
I have no desire to give Motion a single dollar after this- not because of the video.
The video actually entrigued me quite a bit MORE- i kind of wanted to see what i could do with it. But, after reading some of the trashy MotionRC fanclub comments- just name calling and cherry picking you "bashing" the product? No thanks. I dont want anything to do with that nonsense. Other youtubers have hinted about that company and their questionable practices. I didnt know how right they are.
Crappy companies have crappy fans.
Congrats on the 1000% audience interaction jump with this one, guys 😂👍
Nate, please try the Freewing Vulcan 6s. Overall, I found it to be a relatively easy build and it is a MAGNIFICENT flyer! Plus, that bright yellow makes for excellent visibility in the sky! With that said, I have to admit that the decals are a bit of a letdown as I have one pealing off on one wing. It’s a bummer, but I still love the plane and I think you will too if you give it a try.
For a £200 plus VAT jet u think my Vulcan is excellent. Had it on 7s and it's ultra smooth. Added my own LEDs on the belly but after a very happy few maidens the other days she's worth the extra effort of some green Nav lights front and rear.
Oh, wow, the bias is strong with this one... Man, you might as well take this video down, so sad to see.
Do you own this airplane? 🤔⚓️
There is no excuse for releasing a plug and play airplane and then having to modify the wiring, modify how the ordinance attaches, modify the elevator, put lead in the tail or nose, take the ordinance off perhaps, have to use a gyro or it flies like sh#t. I can understand this with a kit, or an ARF, but with a PNP this unacceptable in my opinion. Ive personally had to do this with kits and ARFs because everyone puts different electronics, or engines, batteries, etc in the plane. But PNP is supposed to be as close to BNF as possible albeit just add your own receiver. Maybe with enough modification this plane will fly well, but for a maiden right out of the box and what could happen to someone if this was their 2nd or maybe 3rd aircraft and don't have the wealth of knowledge a lot of others do, i think I'm that regard, this was an honest review.
Missed you guys Nate and Abby at the AMA FunFly! Hopefully next year! Keep up the great work, you've always been in my top 3 favorite for RC UA-camrs! Happy Flying!
I am impressed. Not with the plane, but with your skills in flying correctively with this Motion plane. That takes skill...which you have demonstrated numerous times...even your crashes demonstrate skill because we have to try to crash safely.
Amazin’ vid buds👍😎⚓️
Thank you!! 🙏❤️💯😎⚓️
Bro secure stuff the battery was probably all over
Why didn't you check the CG on Camera? It should tell you on the manual where on the wing the CG should be. Just because you put the recommended size battery does not mean it will be correct. Sometimes you need to add nose weight. Especially if you used a heavier glue like hot glue to put it together which can add lots of weight to the tail. Always physically check the CG on the wing to see if it is balancing on the CG. If not add some weight to the nose. Otherwise, it will never fly well. Not all batteries weigh the same.
Edit don't worry about all the negative comments. They are just Moition RC shills. They will attack anyone who says anything wrong about their planes. The problem I see is next time show yourself physically checking the CG of the planes before the flight otherwise you will always have people get upset when a plane doesn't fly well. Balance it on the CG upside down for low-wing planes and right side up for high-wing planes. I know that A10 flies very well because I have flown one at our club. You also need to add a bit of upelevator after you get the correct CG. Once you do that it will fly perfectly.
Keep your head up. Don't let the negative people bother you. I would just block them.
Lots of my swap meet finds flew like that initially. On the maiden, I'll tend to just trim the elevator down until it flies straight and level. However, it will definitely fly better with a fixed cg. I'm laying off new jet purchases for now, but I could definitely get that trimmed. I have enough experience flying tail-heavy planes on purpose! (Oh, and I have been wind foiling my windsurfer on these windy days!)
Fly that funky plane flyboy, fly that funky thing.😮😂😊. Yep looks good, but all the other build & flying complications, would make me want to spend the Xtra $$$ for a more❓️ quality product. To be fair your going to have to add the 👃weight to see if it ⚖️ out & flies better. So fix & fly❓️. Hey Abby 👋 👋. ⚓️⚓️👍💛🧡💚👍👃⚖️❓️😮😂😊👍👋👋👍⚓️⚓️.
I’ve been a long time subscriber. I’m not gunna say they’re the best planes out there. Horizon does a great job with the bnf planes. But motion does as well with the pnp. I really hope you try one of their premium pnp planes like a twin 80mm a10 or the single 90 f22. Both IN MY OPINION are better than anything horizon has released with the viper 90 being the only exception.
I appreciate your honest comment. I just want to ask, do you own this aircraft? ⚓️
@@TheRcSaylors I do not because I purchased the twin 80 instead. I also have a pj50 from them as well as the f22. I’m not throwing any shade or anything I just hope you try some of their premium products before assuming the entire brand is bad. Hope y’all have a good day.
looks cool but if it doesn't fly worth beans, meh.
Missed you guys at rc fest this year!
Some one from Motion must have pissed you off !
Do you own this aircraft? 🤔⚓️
Thats why i stick with bigger birds. The more room you have the better.
I have this plane and had the same experience as Nate. Wes posted a vid about CG, adding an once of weight to the nose and canopy, and making up adjustment to the elevator. Thankfully I was able to get mine down without any significant damage. I don’t think Nate was bashing Motion; he was just giving an honest assessment of the plane.
Thank you! Seriously! Dunno why these people in the comments are getting so upset! None of them seem to own this plane. So weird!! 😬😅💯⚓️
At least Dynam's come with really good glue and lots of it. I actually use it on other brand planes. Should try the Dynam A10 to compare, it's cheaper and they have a new improved V2 with a similar color scheme. I still fly my Dynam Primo I got back when you reviewed it, one of my favorite planes.
I might do that, but will have to wait until I have $300 to throw away which might take a while. Dynam is such a huge risk to buy, I’d almost rather buy scratchers. I don’t do that, but just saying. It’s so risky! 😬💯⚓️
Boy this video has brought out the negative Nellie’s, I applaud the fact that you give an honest review of the plane, and the fact that the flight is on video is further proof that it is just a horrible plane. I say good riddance to the people who think you are biased and Horizon sponsored UA-cam reviewers.
I’m so glad someone else (and others) are catching the vibes of those being nasty. It feels like they are thinking I’m saying bad things about Motion and not this RC. Almost like the company employees were told to log on or something lol. I didn’t say I wouldn’t buy another Motion plane. Also, we say bad things about Horizon stuff and all companies for that matter, lol. Thanks for being a real human 🙏❤️💯⚓️
You can take an easy flying T28 and get it to fly that badly with a bad cog. BTDT by forgetting to attach velcro to a new battery. It’s wonderful when a plane flies great right out of the box and the recommended settings are to the likening of the majority. It doesn’t always happen. That is one thing that I love about the latest Eflite 1.2 meter BNF warbirds. Safe after checking that it works in the right direction will get you in the air and at altitude to then turn safe off and do your tuning up there. If it is really bad, land and do what you need to do. Before I would never do that with any controlling software, tune the plane au natural before ever chancing the safe software. It avoids the ride the dragon of death maidensof yore. Lots of planes tell you set ups that are nose heavy (not a bad thing) or their recommended rates are too exreme or too light. Expecting a plane to fly the way you like it on the manual set up is a crap shoot. Granted it shouldn’t be unflyable either.
Well Nate, ya really screwed the pooch on this one! I believe I feel vindicated!!
This, Sir, was not a honest review! You don’t have the necessary skills to conduct a honest review. I have unsubscribed from your channel.
Do you own this aircraft? Also, you were never subbed… 😉💯⚓️
The question is not if I own that aircraft or if I am “subbed” to your channel, it’s your ineptness ability to review, without bias, R/C products. Look at your UA-cam channel, at the thumbnail after thumbnail of crash, crash, crash. Over the years you would think one would learn from their mistakes!
So you don’t own the plane. Got it. 👍💯😂⚓️
He already said the question is not about the airplane! It’s about bias and incompetence. Even your replies don’t address the initial comment. This sounds like something Abby would say.
One note, you said you were using the recommended battery. In fact it was too small as they recommend a 3300 and you ran a 3200. Additionally, Spektrum batteries tend to be lighter than others and this may have caused your CG problem. I do commend you for managing to land it the first time. Looked very sketchy
Speky SMART 6s7000mah is a full pound heavier than a Liperior 6s7000mah. I have not found SMART batteries to be lighter than comparable dumb batteries. I like my SMART bricks, but I use dumb batteries just as much. I would say choosing a battery for a plane just on cell count and capacity while ignoring the actual mass/weight of the battery is a mistake.
Agreed I've had nearly every size in the smart and they are lighter than the average competitors