Recently I have been reading the work of the Jewish scholar James Kugel. It turns out that the ancient Jews, including the first century Jews, read the Bible much as did the Christians. The Torah, Psalms and Prophets were cryptic, contemporary, harmonious and inspired (but requiring an inspired reader).
First off; I just came across DBH and I'm immensely enjoying and benefiting from his lectures/books/New Testament. Secondly...when he speaks...he sounds EXACTLY like James Spader. Jus sayin'.
he sounds exactly like a fart sniffing intellectual not to discredit the truth behind his statements but he has the exact cadence of a fart sniffing intellectual lol. i say this as a playful jest
I don't think I have ever heard a discourse by this gentleman in which he does not complain of exhaustion or fatigue. Perhaps he needs to see his doctor.
William S. I was curious about this as well but I now understand that the man has Lime’s disease which I think makes you feel pretty ordinary. Ie just doing life is a trial with flu like symptoms and extraordinary fatigue.
i am a hardcore fundie. But in my deep desire to know something about the God who saves.....I proudly admit that this man is correct. Lay down the sectatian pride and hear, if thou hast an ear.
I definitely have an issue with Christians who are fat. It is clear DBH ignores the fasting and dietary restrictions many serious Christians undertake.
I love DBH and his beautiful mind, but if he's going to be this tired of being tired, then I'd rather he be wearing a Hawaiian shirt, nursing Pina Coladas on the beach.
What makes the Hebrew and Koine Greek Christian 'scriptues' any different from any other ancient text or codex? What is 'scripture'? As David Hart states here, it is only belief in, and the influence of, the Spirit of God which makes the difference. The bible - as conceived by 'scriptural literalists' does not even exist outside of the realm of faith. It is just a collection of ancient texts; akin to the writings of Aristophanes. Too many Christians worship our scriptures: rather than the Creator God of Israel they are intended to HELP to reveal: both in his Covenant with his People, the Jews, and then providing theological testimony to the same God's unique activity in the young male Jew, Jesus of Nazareth. 'Scripture', as the Calvinists and others would treat it, does not exist outside of the Church which selected the texts. It has no implications for the 'world', which such 'religious' people so often despise: notwithstanding that everything which 'is' is contingent upon God. During the 1970s, when I was studying Theology, a lecturer provided me with a pithy saying: THE BIBLE ALWAYS SAYS WHAT IT MEANS: IT DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN WHAT IT SAYS'. As Michael Lee points out below, reading the Christian scriptures requires an inspired reader or (better still) many inspired readers.
answer: they didn't. The church did not allow it until the printing press bitch-slapped the church and then everyone had a copy of the 1611 KJV. Later, other translations would be made using various sets of different mss.
There's about 150 years between the creation of the creation of printing press and the KJV, and it wasn't even the first printed bible, let alone the first English bible. The Gutenberg Bible was the allegedly the first printed book in 1455 (I can't speak for the East, though, China had their own kind of printing well before then, but I don't think it was quite as advanced or 8f you can technically call it printing). The William Tyndale's Bible was actually the first English print Bible. These weren't the first written copies of scripture though. Christian scholars wrote and read handwritten copies for ages, so it's not as if nobody was able to read scripture before the printing press. It was probably just particular classes of people who had access.
@@Tyler_W well, yeah, I was only saying that MOSTLY, the KJVwould be the one people had after 1611. The Bibles before that would be a diff translation obviously. Point is, no layman was reading a Bible because the CHURCH did not allow that. They knew that it would be the downfallof their control. That's my point. I know when the printing press was invented and it was b4 1611.
@Benjamin Eby Most people did not have their own copy of what we call The Bible until after the printing press I would like to see you deny the validity of that statement a statement and show me that most people did have a copy of The Bible for their own reading
"…allegory within Confession": a brilliant and succinct explanation of the hermeneutic employed within the historical Christian Church.
Thank you for uploading this video (and others).
Recently I have been reading the work of the Jewish scholar James Kugel. It turns out that the ancient Jews, including the first century Jews, read the Bible much as did the Christians. The Torah, Psalms and Prophets were cryptic, contemporary, harmonious and inspired (but requiring an inspired reader).
First off; I just came across DBH and I'm immensely enjoying and benefiting from his lectures/books/New Testament.
Secondly...when he speaks...he sounds EXACTLY like James Spader.
Jus sayin'.
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who's whining??
... but with the delivery style of Steven Wright.
he sounds exactly like a fart sniffing intellectual
not to discredit the truth behind his statements but he has the exact cadence of a fart sniffing intellectual lol. i say this as a playful jest
thanks a lot lol now i cant unhear it
I don't think I have ever heard a discourse by this gentleman in which he does not complain of exhaustion or fatigue. Perhaps he needs to see his doctor.
William S. I was curious about this as well but I now understand that the man has Lime’s disease which I think makes you feel pretty ordinary. Ie just doing life is a trial with flu like symptoms and extraordinary fatigue.
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He mentions his jet-lag here ua-cam.com/video/EOShHXaqt0M/v-deo.html
Mr. Hart is a workaholic, his brother seems generally happier. But this king of study will do that to you.
i am a hardcore fundie.
But in my deep desire to know something about the God who saves.....I proudly admit that this man is correct. Lay down the sectatian pride and hear, if thou hast an ear.
I'm sorry to hear you're a hardcore fundie. Hopefully, one day you'll allow yourself to embrace your mind, which God gave you.
It’s not clear from this approach how you could determine what is literal or allegorical in scripture.
Somebody, please recommend me a resource to pursue this topic.
De Lubac's Medieval Exegesis, the three volumes.
The question is objective Bob what is Hart's opinion about the old testament.
thank you for sharing!
And he is Orthodox .
Why's that surprising?
This miserable tub of lard unironically Christpilled me and I thank him forever. I wish I could be his Boswell.
I definitely have an issue with Christians who are fat. It is clear DBH ignores the fasting and dietary restrictions many serious Christians undertake.
What are you talking about? Both of you?
Could you be a little more pretentious and wannabe-clever the next time you troll? Appreciate it.
Augustine Aquinas how fat are you?
I love DBH and his beautiful mind, but if he's going to be this tired of being tired, then I'd rather he be wearing a Hawaiian shirt, nursing Pina Coladas on the beach.
What makes the Hebrew and Koine Greek Christian 'scriptues' any different from any other ancient text or codex? What is 'scripture'? As David Hart states here, it is only belief in, and the influence of, the Spirit of God which makes the difference. The bible - as conceived by 'scriptural literalists' does not even exist outside of the realm of faith. It is just a collection of ancient texts; akin to the writings of Aristophanes. Too many Christians worship our scriptures: rather than the Creator God of Israel they are intended to HELP to reveal: both in his Covenant with his People, the Jews, and then providing theological testimony to the same God's unique activity in the young male Jew, Jesus of Nazareth. 'Scripture', as the Calvinists and others would treat it, does not exist outside of the Church which selected the texts. It has no implications for the 'world', which such 'religious' people so often despise: notwithstanding that everything which 'is' is contingent upon God. During the 1970s, when I was studying Theology, a lecturer provided me with a pithy saying: THE BIBLE ALWAYS SAYS WHAT IT MEANS: IT DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN WHAT IT SAYS'. As Michael Lee points out below, reading the Christian scriptures requires an inspired reader or (better still) many inspired readers.
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answer: they didn't. The church did not allow it until the printing press bitch-slapped the church and then everyone had a copy of the 1611 KJV. Later, other translations would be made using various sets of different mss.
There's about 150 years between the creation of the creation of printing press and the KJV, and it wasn't even the first printed bible, let alone the first English bible. The Gutenberg Bible was the allegedly the first printed book in 1455 (I can't speak for the East, though, China had their own kind of printing well before then, but I don't think it was quite as advanced or 8f you can technically call it printing). The William Tyndale's Bible was actually the first English print Bible. These weren't the first written copies of scripture though. Christian scholars wrote and read handwritten copies for ages, so it's not as if nobody was able to read scripture before the printing press. It was probably just particular classes of people who had access.
@@Tyler_W well, yeah, I was only saying that MOSTLY, the KJVwould be the one people had after 1611. The Bibles before that would be a diff translation obviously. Point is, no layman was reading a Bible because the CHURCH did not allow that. They knew that it would be the downfallof their control. That's my point. I know when the printing press was invented and it was b4 1611.
@@Lao_Thor Kind of like how the government does things today. When you control, you call the shots. ? Why does the govt bother? CONTROL.
KJV worshippers have such an ignorant understanding of history. It's a lost case.
@Benjamin Eby Most people did not have their own copy of what we call The Bible until after the printing press I would like to see you deny the validity of that statement a statement and show me that most people did have a copy of The Bible for their own reading