It's actually funny because he has a video about Monsters who have situational second effects and he talks about how Honest can put your opponent on a timer
I love how you guys are trying to beat the shit out of each other, all while giving tips, sharing strategies, and laughing at memories of the old meta. Wholesome as FUCK.
It's an old format so they surely know each others play and every card they question being in the hand is the one they search to make sure it's the card they saw and having to worry less about the cards in the hand
I have been loving a stupid custom tengu combo in master duel recently. You can do whatever you want around it, but if you end turn with tengu on board, on opponents turn use hop ear squadron to synchro into locusts forcing opponent to discard and special summoning second tengu, then immediately synch off into Baron. Not good really, but very fun
im suprised that they dont make the opponent go first and have them skip to replicate going first and getting the draw, obviously they will have accsess to the battle phase but they just need to honour ignore it so that it can be as accurate to the format as possible
It's just so silly to see how many hoops you need to go through to play a pseudo retro format. I don't believe you need a 5head MIT professor to setup customized duels with first turn draw and ignition priority.
@@ivanmaterazzo2631 They are literally checkbox options on Ygopro (though tbf to Konami it would take an assembling of all the world's scientists to decipher how to play a card game with both Nirvana High Paladin & ignition priority. At which point we would be doomed to climate change.)
@@ashikjaman1940 for content creation I may agree. But from a OG formats' player: A: No ignition priority translates into unbalancing the whole format. For example every monsters that doesn't trigger their effect on summon like Dad, Bls, Sorc, Gale, Breaker and Lyla become incredibly nerfed. On the other hand cards like bottomless, Pwwb, Raigeki break, offerings to the doomed which are already crazy in retro become insanely buffed. Consider that Bottomless is at 3 in goat and at 2 in Edison. -Card advantage is EVERYTHING, going first will be an incredible disadvantage unless you play a full trap deck or if you open full trinity in goat. Not really healthy huh?
@@ivanmaterazzo2631 I'm not gonna disagree with you, especially since I don't play older formats myself, but like, if they wanted to play actual older formats they could just load up EdoPro or something. This Master Duel adaptation is janky but it's more fresh and I like that.
I've had this idea that I call "New HAT." Basically, you take older format decks (HAT for example) and upgrade them with newer support. It would likely require an updated banlist, but the unlimited MD rooms could be perfect for this.
it's funny, I basically stopped playing around the time of 2011, but at that time, I had both a plant and counter fairy deck. While I was playing jank versions of each, I did run them. And at the time, I had a strong aversion to net decking, so I just stumbled onto these decks because they were just clearly the strongest options (despite the fact my versions were hardly optimized.)
I think the quote was referring to a deck's inevitability being much harder to achieve and specific starters not being deterred by that. Post duelist alliance, every deck has inevitability, with some being able to achieve it on the second turn. It's not the same as the sacky draw, it's about not being gated out from turning things around by inevitability alone.
Not really. Like in modern yugioh almost every card in your main deck makes a combo. Not in every deck but in most good decks. So it is really a top deck if every card in your deck gives you access to an engine?
I get that tour guide is iconic, but honestly I think the best variant of Tengu plant format is pre-xyz when she was "just" a sangan tutor, or at least pre-generation force when we only had utopia, grenosaurus and gavhi gachi.
you can definitely do the old master rule by having the first move be a turn zero where the turn player just passes and the second turn be the actual first turn but without the battle phase
for eras where you draw on first turn, you should have the player that wants to go first actually go second, and have the first turn just pass, then the second turn just doesnt conduct the BP
Wasn't replicated in this match, but Maxx C was actually really good against Tengu and even better in the mirror. So what if they stop at one summon? They've ended their turn. The one for one is worth it as long as you play it out right. You get big damage and eliminate their setup (i.e. Tour Guide, Venus).
God I wish Master Duel would do Time wizard events. It would be so fun to play these old formats again instead of "the Zeus/Numeron turbo event" or "watch your opponent make a 7 negate board over 15 min then scoop because they messed up the synchron combo event"
This was fun to watch. I am obligated by no one but myself to point out MBT missed lethal game 1 Mind Con the Agent, make brio, pitch spore to bounce bls Then sync for Black Rose using debris and lonefire I imagine he was afraid of trag, but this play would have saved him dark hole and set up spore for later use
You always go first with combo decks in this format--enough traps are played that even down 1 card it's still worth it to have an open field to set up on
To really recreate this format you should have the person going 2nd start first, and they just end phase pass. Then the player going 1st treat it like turn 1, with no battle phase so each player gets the 6th card.
For this old formats if you want to have the extra card for turn player you can have the turn player be second and pass the turn to them with out doing anything in turn the the other player now can draw they do have the option to go to battle faze how ever they are not force to in that way you can replicate the way it used to be.
Yeah that’s the problem with old school Yu gi oh, especially of that era. You either get OTKed or just nothing happens for many turns. Which just feels bad
Well, Tengu plants without the xyz is kinda cool, I play it irl and u can get away with some nice lists Also it seems like your list, at least for agents isnt solved. And there was a draw missing for turn going first if I saw that correctly
That game 2 is the perfect example of how swingy and highrolly this format was. One game Doug is top decking BLS and Reborn the next he's duality for 2x shine balls and a dead kristya.
Doug was still dead but couldn't he of just flipped the leviathan dragon and wasted the xyz material so it couldn't attack directly the next turn it returns to mbt on the 2nd game or does the spell also prevent you from changing the battle position?
Do these guys not know that OTK stands for "One Turn Kill", slowly killing your opponent over 14 turns deal damage here and there is not killing them in one turn...
if you want to simulate the first draw, because you guys are playing each other, you can decide this properly If MBT wants to go first, have Dzeef start and just pass this way Dzeef has 5 cards and passes to MBT and he gets the draw this would likely be problematic on a larger scale though
boy mbt thank of reminding me of my high sckool years with edsion think of making a recuder earthbound deck becuse of the fllod gates that work wel a creater swop along with a citant earthbound immortal that despe the deck not being that good beucese high sckooler teen with little money but now that i older i cloud make thaat deck but i doubt i be any more playable then hero with out diva
Dezeef could've attacked with earth over tengu game 1 to get rid of all the tengus. Didn't matter bc of dark hole but its huge to leave a monster of field in This format Edit: I'm wrong attack from bls has to right immediately after
dzeef needs to be more confident in his plays and take more risks, if he keeps passing and not making plays to the board his opponent will eventually draw the cards they need to put themselves in a winning position
Also pre-errata Mind Control. Also pre-errata Brionac. And so many more thing that make it impossible to replicate these old format in their truest form.
@@CyberMongoose It WAS, in the TCG. When the TCG first imported Xyz monsters from OCG (which is exactly this Tengu Plant format) nobody really understand about the whole Xyz material doesn't count as cards sent from field to the GY thing, so for a short few months you can just summon Sangan off Tour Guide, go into a rank 3, detach the Sangan and still get its search off.
MBT could have won that first game easy. Instead of that terrible dark hole play, he could have mind controlled the earth, syn for brio, bounce the bls, summon debris for black rose and attacked for lethal. In my opinion, it seems MBT hates this format cuz hes really bad at it
The editing peaks at the other player's hands for critical draws is great editing.
Agreed, felt very anime
Yeah they’re fantastic
Watching Doug not just normal Honest and attack in game 2 was very painful.
the secret 2nd effect of honest nobody knows about
Game 1 too I think. It would've been free cuz if MBT had any attacks, he would've known Honest exists regardless
It's actually funny because he has a video about Monsters who have situational second effects and he talks about how Honest can put your opponent on a timer
Doug is an awful player, idk why everyone is surprised by now
@@alexYu-gi-oh mbt clips channel, "we need to talk about how we talk", go watch it right now
I hate it when Doug plays good decks!
So you probably love this one, then.
master saga enjoyer:
Yeah what’s up with him drawing good cards 😡
Like fabled?
Shut up about anything anyone plays. Enjoy it or go away, it makes no difference to anybody
passing back does work because you can just make your opponent go first then make the pass and then you draw and go first
I love how you guys are trying to beat the shit out of each other, all while giving tips, sharing strategies, and laughing at memories of the old meta.
Wholesome as FUCK.
*Sportsmanship
It's an old format so they surely know each others play and every card they question being in the hand is the one they search to make sure it's the card they saw and having to worry less about the cards in the hand
I have been loving a stupid custom tengu combo in master duel recently. You can do whatever you want around it, but if you end turn with tengu on board, on opponents turn use hop ear squadron to synchro into locusts forcing opponent to discard and special summoning second tengu, then immediately synch off into Baron. Not good really, but very fun
im suprised that they dont make the opponent go first and have them skip to replicate going first and getting the draw, obviously they will have accsess to the battle phase but they just need to honour ignore it so that it can be as accurate to the format as possible
It's just so silly to see how many hoops you need to go through to play a pseudo retro format.
I don't believe you need a 5head MIT professor to setup customized duels with first turn draw and ignition priority.
@@ivanmaterazzo2631 They are literally checkbox options on Ygopro (though tbf to Konami it would take an assembling of all the world's scientists to decipher how to play a card game with both Nirvana High Paladin & ignition priority. At which point we would be doomed to climate change.)
I like it tbh, the janky feel makes it feel more different than it they just played an old format on EdoPro or smthn
@@ashikjaman1940 for content creation I may agree. But from a OG formats' player:
A: No ignition priority translates into unbalancing the whole format. For example every monsters that doesn't trigger their effect on summon like Dad, Bls, Sorc, Gale, Breaker and Lyla become incredibly nerfed. On the other hand cards like bottomless, Pwwb, Raigeki break, offerings to the doomed which are already crazy in retro become insanely buffed. Consider that Bottomless is at 3 in goat and at 2 in Edison.
-Card advantage is EVERYTHING, going first will be an incredible disadvantage unless you play a full trap deck or if you open full trinity in goat. Not really healthy huh?
@@ivanmaterazzo2631 I'm not gonna disagree with you, especially since I don't play older formats myself, but like, if they wanted to play actual older formats they could just load up EdoPro or something. This Master Duel adaptation is janky but it's more fresh and I like that.
I've had this idea that I call "New HAT." Basically, you take older format decks (HAT for example) and upgrade them with newer support. It would likely require an updated banlist, but the unlimited MD rooms could be perfect for this.
Damn I thought I traveled back in time again. Thank you Jospeh, good video!
MBT could have made an xyz rank 3 in the first game to not die to bls
Monster reborn was *literally* the topdeck of the century
it's funny, I basically stopped playing around the time of 2011, but at that time, I had both a plant and counter fairy deck. While I was playing jank versions of each, I did run them. And at the time, I had a strong aversion to net decking, so I just stumbled onto these decks because they were just clearly the strongest options (despite the fact my versions were hardly optimized.)
Really digging the BGM. Makes me wanna play some of the old games again.
The amount of times Heavy Storm was used to destroy a single set Heavy Storm is ridiculous
I love the oldschool music from the old Yuhioh Nintendo Games that are playing during the matches
Doug, with a 3000 atk monster facing a 300 atk monster while MBT has 2700 LP : "Yeah drawing Veiler here would've [stopped me from winning]""
Doug playing these cautiously is driving me nuts but then again he knows how to play Afghan better than me
10:16 "I love older formats, you can just top deck one random card that gets you back in the game", that is literally the description of MODERN yugioh
I think it's just Yu-Gi-Oh in general.
I think the quote was referring to a deck's inevitability being much harder to achieve and specific starters not being deterred by that. Post duelist alliance, every deck has inevitability, with some being able to achieve it on the second turn. It's not the same as the sacky draw, it's about not being gated out from turning things around by inevitability alone.
Not really. There is almost no top decking in modern yugioh. Games need to go on for longer for that to happen.
Not really. Like in modern yugioh almost every card in your main deck makes a combo. Not in every deck but in most good decks. So it is really a top deck if every card in your deck gives you access to an engine?
Peak gameplay right here, a gorgeous addition to the weekly video lineups
5:15 Ah, the old Dark Hole into Blackrose play just to make sure the monsters are double dead.
The music is appropriate to the episode. Good job editor
dzeef HAS to be throwing on purpose here
I get that tour guide is iconic, but honestly I think the best variant of Tengu plant format is pre-xyz when she was "just" a sangan tutor, or at least pre-generation force when we only had utopia, grenosaurus and gavhi gachi.
Amazing I played competetive in those time and i realized no one really played those decks, i can remember maybe 2 guys with agent and one with plant
you can definitely do the old master rule by having the first move be a turn zero where the turn player just passes and the second turn be the actual first turn but without the battle phase
Man it's nice seeing Doug win.
Doug actually winning... such rare footage...
The music in this video is popping
I need that song! :D
To get the first turn draw the person who goes first must load in the the person going second
for eras where you draw on first turn, you should have the player that wants to go first actually go second, and have the first turn just pass, then the second turn just doesnt conduct the BP
Wasn't replicated in this match, but Maxx C was actually really good against Tengu and even better in the mirror. So what if they stop at one summon? They've ended their turn. The one for one is worth it as long as you play it out right. You get big damage and eliminate their setup (i.e. Tour Guide, Venus).
25:22 God doesnt love rothschilds got proofed 😂😂😂
God I wish Master Duel would do Time wizard events. It would be so fun to play these old formats again instead of "the Zeus/Numeron turbo event" or "watch your opponent make a 7 negate board over 15 min then scoop because they messed up the synchron combo event"
Old yugioh without reading could be a funny combination
Dzeef and MBT becoming the new gage and Cimo 🤣🤣
Como estas?
@@RBF__ hail satan
with Farfa as a sidepiece
This was fun to watch.
I am obligated by no one but myself to point out MBT missed lethal game 1
Mind Con the Agent, make brio, pitch spore to bounce bls
Then sync for Black Rose using debris and lonefire
I imagine he was afraid of trag, but this play would have saved him dark hole and set up spore for later use
Gorz, Tragoedia, BLS, set sangan pass. Man, the memories
You always go first with combo decks in this format--enough traps are played that even down 1 card it's still worth it to have an open field to set up on
Wait, the background music is from the 2011 ds game, that's genius
Yo, P3 music at the end
Doug’s gonna banish a light and a dark
Tengu Plant format is the Chad brother of Edison.
You can play Edison with Pre-Errata cards on YGO Omega. Would love to see that!!
To really recreate this format you should have the person going 2nd start first, and they just end phase pass. Then the player going 1st treat it like turn 1, with no battle phase so each player gets the 6th card.
Lol I legit saw the opening hand and thought we were in 2011.
This was my first format so its a bit nostalgic for me
is this the fucking super bunny man soundtrack 🤣
The way Doug just misuses Honest twice makes me so sad.
God I miss playing Formula Monarchs in 2011
Caius as the last draw nooo 😂
For this old formats if you want to have the extra card for turn player you can have the turn player be second and pass the turn to them with out doing anything in turn the the other player now can draw they do have the option to go to battle faze how ever they are not force to in that way you can replicate the way it used to be.
9:20 mbt could've xyz summoned a monster and won
seeing old school yugioh is such an eye candy when in modern yugioh even a "non combo" deck does combos more consistently than these "combo" decks.
Yeah that’s the problem with old school Yu gi oh, especially of that era. You either get OTKed or just nothing happens for many turns. Which just feels bad
The way doug plays it just frustrates me to no end but i do get why he makes the plays he does.
Incredible music
I am making my official statement. I want called by the grave and mystic mine banned for good.
Well, Tengu plants without the xyz is kinda cool, I play it irl and u can get away with some nice lists
Also it seems like your list, at least for agents isnt solved. And there was a draw missing for turn going first if I saw that correctly
Congratulations to Doug Zeef for finally breaking his L streak in Master Roulette.
Gachi Gachi Gantetsu is just Spright Zenmaines
Dragunity would be playing
How long till they make more of the banned cards playable?
I loved this format. That is all I have to say
That game 2 is the perfect example of how swingy and highrolly this format was. One game Doug is top decking BLS and Reborn the next he's duality for 2x shine balls and a dead kristya.
This format is entertaining. Doug can actually beat MBT here!
Interesting to see how the Maxx C really wasn't *that* powerful. Makes you understand how people slept on it for so long.
Why did Doug not normal summon Honest in game 2?
Y'all should just choose the opposite and pass turn, and say "skip battle phase" to the opponent in my opinion
Josephhhh, where prog playoff?? :((
Doug was still dead but couldn't he of just flipped the leviathan dragon and wasted the xyz material so it couldn't attack directly the next turn it returns to mbt on the 2nd game or does the spell also prevent you from changing the battle position?
Do these guys not know that OTK stands for "One Turn Kill", slowly killing your opponent over 14 turns deal damage here and there is not killing them in one turn...
Feeling some Demise or Little City formats myself
Yeah, the last time Maxx C = Brick, what a good time
Would love to see you guys pass turn 1 so going first starts with 6
9:55 I N V I S I B L E
What are the songs that play during the duels?
Mbt not playing dark world?
if you want to simulate the first draw, because you guys are playing each other, you can decide this properly
If MBT wants to go first, have Dzeef start and just pass
this way Dzeef has 5 cards and passes to MBT and he gets the draw
this would likely be problematic on a larger scale though
Does anyone know what song is playing at about the 19:00 mark?
Thought rule archfiend favorite card
13:12
My wife after I tell her how was it
The streak is broken!
boy mbt thank of reminding me of my high sckool years with edsion think of making a recuder earthbound deck becuse of the fllod gates that work wel a creater swop along with a citant earthbound immortal that despe the deck not being that good beucese high sckooler teen with little money but now that i older i cloud make thaat deck but i doubt i be any more playable then hero with out diva
Dzeef playing a good deck? nah that's impossible
No prog playoffs?
Great video but I was hoping to see prog play off
I wish I could pretend Konami wasn’t to lazy to code Goat rulings into MasterDuel so I could have hope for a future Goat format event.
It doesn’t count for Master roulette Doug because you still lost another week!
Dezeef could've attacked with earth over tengu game 1 to get rid of all the tengus. Didn't matter bc of dark hole but its huge to leave a monster of field in This format
Edit: I'm wrong attack from bls has to right immediately after
BLS’s second attack needs to come immediately after the first
Reverse 10:0 make it happen
Who else is excited for Konami to let you craft Master Peace?
bruh never give this man honest again
dzeef needs to be more confident in his plays and take more risks, if he keeps passing and not making plays to the board his opponent will eventually draw the cards they need to put themselves in a winning position
WE PARTAKE IN SOME GAMING, SOME RETRO GAMING
I hate it when doug plays _________ decks!
It's a shame that Sangan detach search cannot be replicated in Master Duel.
Also pre-errata Mind Control. Also pre-errata Brionac. And so many more thing that make it impossible to replicate these old format in their truest form.
Sangan detach to search was never a thing.
@@CyberMongoose It WAS, in the TCG. When the TCG first imported Xyz monsters from OCG (which is exactly this Tengu Plant format) nobody really understand about the whole Xyz material doesn't count as cards sent from field to the GY thing, so for a short few months you can just summon Sangan off Tour Guide, go into a rank 3, detach the Sangan and still get its search off.
It was only for one event iirc. But it was an incorrect ruling.The cards were never supposed to work that way
MBT could have won that first game easy. Instead of that terrible dark hole play, he could have mind controlled the earth, syn for brio, bounce the bls, summon debris for black rose and attacked for lethal. In my opinion, it seems MBT hates this format cuz hes really bad at it
more of the retro formats please.
joseph never would've lost this if he was on worm smh
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THIS is what I want MasterDuel to be