A Porsche 993 for just £30k! but is it any good? FEAT- Nick Murray
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- Опубліковано 1 січ 2021
- Prices have dropped and a friend recently bought a Porsche 993 for £30K, could not pass up the chance to drive and look over this bargain! Nick Murray makes a guest appearance to talk about his own 993!
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FYI In the US 993’s are a lot more expensive than 964’s. They’ll keep on climbing since they’re the last of the air cooled cars. Regarding the driving experience if you drive the 911 3.2 it will feel more raw than a 964. At the end of the day, the 993 is overall a better car than the 964, it’s called evolution !! You can’t go wrong with either one !!
What a beauty!!
Alright Nick. Enough messing around in New Zealand now. Get back and get making 993 content. I need it! 😜
You pop up in surprising places Nick? 🤔 enjoy being back in the motherland and kiwi sun. Hope to see you out there in 2021 when I can get out of the UK latest lockdown @nickmurray
I love a 993.
I used to walk passed a gorgeous dark blue one with grey interior on my way to school. It looked stunning back then, and I think they still look ace.
Colour is Arena Red.. as in “Kills bugs fast”
Yes, Turbo was launched in Arena Red - one of the best colors for those
@@Dwelijan I had my Caterham Seven painted in Arena red, great colour; I did read that it wasn't a popular colour with Porsche owners.
When the new owner takes this car for its first service, he’s going to find a £5-£10k maintenance bill, no one would sell this car for £30k (not even a trade deal), if it’s been well maintained.....
In the video, it was mentioned it's running original dampers after quarter of a century and 120k miles...it's probably also been run on 'long life' cryptonite oil with 60k service intervals too!
...and will probably find a lot more rust too!
My love of Porsches is certainly coming back as I’m getting older, definitely get one when you decide to sell the influenza.
Happy new year Jack
i discovered the channel way back when i started loving 964s and specifically the 964 turbo and that video comparison...i wonder what you'd get if you got a 911 again jack
Get in 😂
Love the 993. See they sound like a bag of spanner’s on start up like my 996
it was like a dirty diesel 😳
9:43 , for a minute there i thought that was your old integrale jack, great video as always and great channel. one of my favourites motoring channels, keep up the great work jack:)
A TVR would be an interesting proposition? Maybe a Tuscan or Chimaera?
spot on!
Could someone explain why it doesn’t have a ‘911’ silhouette? It’s a slightly smoother 964! It’s really not that radical
Does have, just a little rounded at both ends👍🏻
@@verdeboyo nice one! I wouldn’t mind having either 😜
@@Jamesmorley1999 oh and a happy new year to you Sir👍🏻
Better than the 964.
@@verdeboyo happy new year 👍👍
A 993 for 30k hard to believe, I’m always looking at prices all the time and have never seen one that cheap? Lucky chap, love the colour too. 👍
I think this car was just the exception rather than the rule and was probably underpriced by its seller - the new owner just got very lucky!
That’s just the purchase price. It will cost twice as much when you’re done doing all that it will need getting done.
Who cares. It’s a great car!
I've learned lots from your videos Jack this one included, great review, I'm looking at 993's now on autotrader !
Thanks Roger!!
Happy Newyear, Jack . Great vids !👍👏
Another great review! Man your blue 964 was beautiful! Since you have owned a few 911s what would you recommend buying for 45k in the 911 family? I am still thinking of a 997 05/06. But latley I am in love with the 2014/15 981 cayman . I would really like to own a 993 but out of my budget! Any input would be great! Thx
Unusual to see an Integrale out and about. I bet the driver took a second look at the 993 too.
highly unlikely seeing as an Integrale is much rarer!
Glorious car! Thanks for bringing us along for the ride. I 100% understand the interest and passion for this model.
If you do end up selling the 308, please please get a F355. They are one of the prettiest Ferrari's ever and the noise of that v8 is incredible! 😍😎
Infuenzo replacement: 105 Alfa Romeo
Good point about "good" vs "polluted" steering feel. I think what a lot of people mistake for steering feel is actually just vibrations from the engine being transmitted through the subframe and into the steering rack. With front wheel drive, forget about any sort of pure steering feel.
“Arena’” red. Came with 16” wheels as standard. 17” Cup 2 and 18” options... As for torque. I think you’ll find the non Vario’ is a bit more torque’y early on in the rev’ range.
That car appears to have metallic paint, 18” wheels, Cruise, rear wiper and looks like the rare A/C option. Most 993’s were quite basically spec’d.
You are very right about classic prices too. The bubble has definitely burst! Escort Cosworth owners in the clouds: Take note.
Loved this video, hopefully the values of 993s can steady or drop just a little bit over the next few years. I’m just finishing my final year of uni, and would absolutely love to own a 993 in a handful of years time
Love your chanel jack, keep up with the good honest content.
In quarantine in Angola and had the chance to watch your channel and got me hooked.
Porsche don't really do it for me but still loved the content.
Wow how cool to have a viewer in Angola!!
One day I'll have one. That's a beautiful motor
That’s my friend’s car. He sold it to your friend a few months ago. We went to many car shows with our 993s and had some great times. Mine was a polar silver 993 Carrera (1994 pre-Varioram). By the way, the Varioram mechanism can stick, affecting power, particularly at low revs. Worth looking at that first. I hear your friend has spent some serious money on it. Good to hear it’s continuing to be looked after as well as it was before. I have a manual 997 turbo now in meteor grey. My friend is still thinking about which 911 to get next!
I was going to suggest the Varioram as a possible source of power drop. I remember one on Wheeler Dealers and that needed fixing.
Another 911 would be fantastic. A 993 would be great to see on your channel
The colour is called Arena Red. It was the launch colour on the 993 Turbo..
Cracking vid, cracking car too 👍 all the best for 2021 👏
That’s a real classic this Porsche. Wonderful little machines. Such superb engineering. Relevant even 30 years later....that low frog like ‘squatting on its haunches ready to leap forward’ stance that all these classic Porsche’s have. Purposeful and strong.
How about the 3.8 version of the 993? Has more punch, just the right amount. And then maybe strip some weight of it? Or fit another suspension? i drive a 993 3.8 and the suspension is quite old school and i am looking to put a K&W V3 under there.
Happy new year Sir. I actually love the 993s, especially the GT2/RS/RSR/turbo. The very last of the air-cooled. The curves are there, just a little rounded at both ends but the silhouette has the 911 DNA. 👍🏻Treated to a set of Fuchs rep 19s will finish the look👍🏻
This is my car except I have a '97 with light grey interior. Love it and so beautiful. I still can't believe you sold your 964.....that was why I started watching your channel. I miss it!
Great car. Drove my mates rs replica. Completely different to my old boxster. Awesome
Jack the 147 has a known issue with one of the headlamps that repeatedly stops working and needs changing. I own a 147 1.9jdt from 2003, bought new, and that problem has been there since early on. Two times per year on average.
I remember that I didn't like the 993 back then ( i could not imagine how bad things would get with the 996) but from today's point of view i almost consider it a modern classic. And yes , 30k is a steal basically.
Having owned a 993 turbo 4 for over 15 years I think the 993 is an awesome Porsche . Beautiful and amazingly fast with looks that seem ageless. Think I need to have a lie down!!!
Beautiful car. Worth a shit load. The best Porsche ever made in my opinion.
Great video jack. 993 has been my only Porsche target in the last few years. Coupe is the bedt choice. I even liked the brake light on that strap like spoiler thst some 993s come with
Happy New Year Jack.
Wishing Both You and All at Home An Amazing and Blessed New Year.
Health and Happiness My Friend.
Cheers Carlyle
Enjoyed the video Jack. Lovely car at a reasonable price. My favourite model 911. A 97' 993 Turbo in Arena Red would be one of my lotto win cars amongst others. I'm 15 months away from 55 when I can take a lumper out of my pension as long as Coroni hasn't smashed it any more. A 997 C2s is on the top of my list but will be having a good look at 993 prices when the time comes as I didn't realise these were similar money of late.
Jack i'm looking for a w/end toy come March onwards and the Alfa GTA is is on my lust list so if you ever need to sell in the near future for a new project let me know as I could be interested as I know it would be right.
Happy new year mate...
Even if I could afford one of these, which I can’t, it’s very hard for me to justify the premium over the 996 like the one I bought (also Arena Red 😎)
The 993 turbo is in my opinion the best Porsche ever made. £250000 for a mint one. If I had £70000 to buy a tastey coupe I’d buy a Ferrari 360. In silver, manual gearbox. Or for less than half the price a mint Manaro Vxr 500. Oh yes. 6.0 supercharged v8. 500 bhp.👍
For some reason Jack, @ 9.28 when you're about to turn right at the T junction, reminded me of the Le Mans film at the start, where Steve McQueen in his 911, turns off the beausejour road onto the road leading up to Maison Blanche...... you're welcome!
Great content, thank you.
p.s The Alfa was just sulking with the lights...
I own a 993. It likes very high octane fuel. Are you able to get 98 octane RON fuel or higher in the UK? If not a 993 is going to feel really sleepy at low rpms.
I'm not big into Porsches but this is my favorite 911 body style. This was the first time they tried something different with the 911 and I think it paid off.
I had a ‘96 Carrera 4 coupe. Put the MY’02 996 wheels on. Fantastic car. You couldn’t tell it was awd until you needed it, it was quick, smooth, air con worked very well, quiet enough for conversation at freeway speeds, and fantastic looking. I also added an ‘S’ front bumper, which looked much better. Video of it on my channel. Cheers!
Hi matey, I subscribed a long time ago to watch your upgrades and modifications of your cars. Not see much about them for a while. Are you still doing this?
Cheapest manual coupe 993 on Pistonheads is £60K, so that is a freak price, though the engine bay looks awful. Cheapest unmodified UK manual coupe Carrera S is £90K.
Loved my 993, which I had for 14 years. I have a 348 now, and you might consider that as your next car? Good value and great fun.
We had a pristine low mileage 96 993 about a decade ago, in turquoise with light grey leather , best looking car I’ve ever had and a cracking engine. But the offset driving position gave me backache after an hour and at stupid speeds the steering got very light. Wanted a 911 for 30 years at the time ,got rid after 18 months. Old adage about meeting your hero holds true. If you’re going to get one take a long test drive.
Replacement for the 308...
BMW E39 M5...
400hp
V8
Rear wheel drive
Manual transmission.
Get a usable one for £12 - 15k.
Loads of fun, and lots of things to upgrade..
I thought the wheels were actually from the 996 / boxster that followed it until you commented on them. They look really similar. I really like the 993 and that one looks really clean inside! Great video!
The wheels are very much correct for this car - the 993 was where they started. They were referred to as Technology wheels.
The best shape ,993
“Tickle my boat”, “speak home about” 🤣 Jack your turns of phrase are why you are the best UA-camr! (That and the humour and content). For £30k that 993 would float my fancy too 👌🏻
993 last of the water cooled, styling is just right! Great everyday driver! Thanks Jack.
AIR...AIR!
Great overview.
Good review. Wouldn't be my choice colour wise (exterior and interior). I do like the overall shape.
Beautiful colour combination!
Get a Ferrari 360 Jack - can pick em up for £40k of lucky, but £50k easy. Would be great to see you run that mate 👍👍👍
It’s two and a half years later and 993s got even much more expensive. I was looking at 993s this year here in Switzerland and the cheapest was 40k pounds that was crashed (was sold after 2 days on the market), next is 45k totally rusty example with 200k miles that needs 30-40k togeit into a decent conditin. A few weeks one extremely nice spec 993 4 for 50k came up I bought it the next day. It wouldn’t last long on the market, used car dealers would take immediately but the owner would luckily only sell to a private enthusiast. Those 993 in decent condition go now for minimum 60-70k and those with recent mechanical/engine restoration work for 80k+
I am talking about manual coupe only.
Influenzo has been the highlight of 2020 for me, sad to see her go. How about a Caterham Build?
If you replace the 308, get a the Dino inspired 360 and if any problems, consult with Ratarossa 🤣
Lovely Jubbly, as always great video.
A 993 would be a perfect replacement for the 308. If you get a worn or tired one you can do a lot of work updating its parts to get the exact focus and driveability that you want giving you the 911 you want that responds how you want it to.
Hello Jack, I think that by now you’ve probably scratched the air cooled itch pretty thoroughly. It would feel like going over old ground. Because the 993 is relatively refined some owners seem to want to beef them up changing the exhaust, the wheels, flywheel etc to have something more like an RS. Having said that I would love a more aggressive 993 and would love to see where you might take it as a project. You obviously love to get creative and knowing as much as you do about the breed, I think that the 993 would be a brilliant car to devlop.
Fab looking. Tell Stewart to get the sills checked for rust.
I’ve got a Fiat 500’and just don’t get this?
Now really starting to wish I had never sold my 993 Turbo X50 in RUF yellow on 40k miles a year ago. Great video, brings back many happy memories
£250000 for a mint one.
It was in show condition but sadly not worth quite that amount. It lives in Malaysia now
Unsure you can say it “doesn’t have the 911 silhouette! Jeez, it’s the most beautiful incarnation of the 911 and definitely doesn’t look like anything other than a 911! Total perfection and the natural progression from the 964 which somewhat archaic and agricultural. Yes, I do have a 993 before you say! I enjoy your videos but I’ve never heard anyone say it’s not a 911 silhouette!
That's very cheap. I've been keeping an eye on prices and haven't seen a manual coupe under 40K. Looks a great car!
Lovely thing, didn't realise that indicators were optional on them though :)
Also on the idea of cars Jack maybe a z3 coupe ?? Something a bit different, you do see them come up there's a few on eBay now but quite rare on the road other than the body I'm pretty sure they are the same as a normal z3 so easy to sort bits
This is Arena Red with Cashmere inside - I do like it was the Turbo Twists and these are genuine ones which I would suggest were ordered on the car. I normally think the Cup II’s are normally best on a narrow-bodied car but the twists work with on this car. He could a bargain at £30K even if that windscreen rust is most of a deal than you made out - a costly enough repair. The suspension is also M030 rather than M090. Great video as usual - I’m just a 993 nerd!
Hi Jack, I’d love a 993 to me they’re the most desirable.
I really am in love with my TVR though, the mix of the soundtrack, rewarding handling and little reminders that it will kill you if you don’t pay it respect all add up to a great thrill to drive and an event every time you open up the garage door. I think you would get a lot of enjoyment and audience involvement if you bought either a Tuscan or a Cerbera, both fantastic cars.
Is the Busso better than the Ferrari V8?
I saw a Ferrari 412 advertised at 28k the other day in need of recommissioning - I assume that's probably a bit more Ratarossa?
The 993 looks very elegant, timeless and more anabolic than previous models. Best is a 993 4S with a manual ofcourse :D
pleeeeeese press the button on the handbrake before applying - i hate that ratcheting noise wearing away those teeth [yes im an old school mechanic] on your friends car. all the best for 2021 + keep up the good work. i like your good days / bad days equally - a true reflection on the world we live in. cheers.
Great video Jack, what a stunning car, in answer to your question of what to buy next, you need a 3.2 Carrera, such great cars.
Happy new year, have a 1990 Lotus Esprit Se,1995 S4s, Alpine 610 A , a Honda Nsx as project cars.
I bought a 993 c2 with 180k for 18 grand 20 years ago: -drove it everywhere, tracked the hell out of it... Wish I would've have sold it. For the power issue: the belt that spins the second distributor might have broken, you can test it by pulling the coil wires one at a time and trying to start it.
Would love to see you take on a 996 .
It's a shame you weren't smitten with the 348. I think it's such a pretty car that I can see really appreciating. Will have a good think.
Have you thought about a LHD 360 Modena or a high mileage RHD as a replacement for the 308..
I have.. would have to be a manual though!
@@Number27 another option might be a R8 manual..🤔🤔
A polar silver 993 coupe with manual transmission is a dream car
A dry sump system with 10 quarts of oil being pumped to the front of the car and then through an oil cooler with a fan forcing in cool air before going back to the engine at the rear of the car, yet people always refer to these cars as 'air cooled'!
964 for life Jack - don't mind a 993 but as you said 964s were the last 911 looking shape. 80% different to a G series but still could not confuse it for anything but a 911.
How anyone could confuse a 993 for anything but a 911 is beyond me 🙄
Hello Jack. Another wonderful and tortured video. I had a 993 (1995 OBD1) and it was the best car I've ever owned...across the board...tracking it dead stock, wild midnight rides...more than any Alfa, more than my 308...my 993 was the best. And while the 964 had the "classic" 911 line, the 993 captures the entire history of Porsche...they are all there in the 993 lines, from the early 356 all the way to the 997. My 964 was an RS America...and to be honest it was a truck because it didn't have power steering. The Euro Carrera RS did, but the American version didn't because of differences in how they cut weight. The rear suspension of the 993 was the perfect solution to all the tail happy tales of the 911. The engine in my 95 993 was 272 hp vs 247 for the RS America. The 1996 993 you drove in this video is harder to get past emissions because of the OBD2 (at least that is what we have in the US). I'm very very happy with my 996.1 C4...but nothing will take the place of the 993. Yes it is heavier than the 996, and the 996 is cheaper to maintain, but the 993 is every so perfectly slightly smaller and purer in lines, and with no bean counter compromises. Mine was Riviera Blue and it came with the original 16" wheels. And they were the absolute best for real world roads, and it made the car more fun to fling around. Like an idiot trend follower I sold those and put on the 17" and they were better on the track...but for canyon carving and freeways and driving in the rain and everything else, Porsche had it right to go with the 16s. Today, everything gets overtired to absurd points. If I could have my 993 back, I'd never ever let it go again. And that is why you probably should not get one, at least if you need the turnover for your videos. But if you are looking for a real long term keeper that will make you smile every single time you drive it, in fact you'll smile every time you just look at it...then the 993 is the way to go. I love Alfas and Fredo is fun...and the V6 has an amazing sound...but it isn't a great car and the money could be better spent. The alternative to the 993 (in my opinion) is the early 1998/1999 996.1. You may have already considered and rejected them (as you once did the 993)...but they would truly be an affordable Porsche to tune and tweak and play with (with great performance). Sell Fredo, get a 996 (must be the 996.1) and ideally keep Influenzo until you truly feel finished with it. A joy watching your videos.
Very good I think your next project the Ferrari Dino 1971/2 beautiful car. I hope the Alfa ok, happy new year Jack.😎
Surely an Alfa SZ would be a good replacement for your 308? And, GTA?
There are three 993 on EBay now under £30k, two of them Cabriolet.
Tis the season to sell Motorbikes and Cabriolets ... I would guess that changes to 'buy Cabriolets' around March ... ?
Tiptronics. Unusual for a manual to be this cheap.
I respect 993 a lot as being last air cooling 911 but the prices are unrealistic in market. 993 turbo is over 100k usd!! 996 turbo is around 25k usd and for me it is most handsome 911 since my childhood👍
The 964 is a great car, but the 993, particularly that one, in red is amazing.
I think you should try a water cooled 911. Possibly an early 996 for their reasonable prices and they make excellent project cars. Then again you can pick up high mileage 997's pretty cheap and they're superb 911's!
Not sure if you had one yet, but BMW 635CSi seem to be on the cusp since a while. You could shoot a nice one for about 20K without losing money ;)
Re tuning makes all the difference by eliminating the drive by wire lag.
I had one of these about 4 years ago. Mine was a manual coupe, with varioram engine and the earlier gearbox, went very well. I was running it alongside my 348TS. Contrary to the popular folklore of german cars not rusting much, they absolutely did and do rot, just in areas that you don't see! I would say it was equally prone to rust as my Italian car. Go onto the model specific forums and you will see pictures of how badly they can rot.
I'm not sure I agree with the 'suggestion' in the title here that they can be had for £30k....good luck with that. Your friend is indeed very lucky if there is any truth in £30k for that car. Whilst I agree you could get a 993 for that price, it would likely be one of the ones that stay on ebay forever as they are either a cabrio, high mileage, tiptronic, or all three, with other price reducing 'issues'. I don't think those of us out here in the real (non youtuber) world would get a manual, coupe with less than 100k and no issues for 30k. What you will find is the typical 'can't find my service paperwork' or Cat x, y z, or colour changes, or things like a totally wrong rear GT blah blah blah spoiler (in reality because the cars had a rear end shunt and it was too expensive to put it back to factory).
Totally agree with the wheels Jack. I have a black 993 which had original Turbo Twists. I really hated the way the left wheel spun one way while the right wheel spun the other way, due to the twist. I recently fitted a set a set of 18" Carrera II wheels, much better looking, especially with the big red brakes. I'm about to fit a set of Recaro Classic Pole Poitions, with the herringbone insert to brighten up the black interor. Tim (Sydney).
Thanks Jack, I enjoy your videos
The 993 had to be a great buy for this price! And for the project perhaps replacing Influenzo? I'd maybe say a 968 CS. A friend of mine restores one right now, it is half finished and when i drove it last time ( engine was revisited, but not yet suspension) i could feel it hides somewhat great driving potential . They aren't cheap, but maybe a project car can make a unique content.
Happy New Year !
I don’t like turbo twists either. They look ok on the left hand side of the car, but on the right hand side they look like they’re on backwards.
I saw my first 993 turbo in that colour and thought Porsche just can’t improve on that. I was right, they changed the whole evolution concept with the total redesign of the 996, which I hated when it first came out. I saw a turbo with a twin rear spoiler and it was the first time I liked the 996. But being water cooled, just didn’t seem like a 911.