Thanks for explaining and providing images of how the E-Clutch works. This is actually an ingenious design, I love how the manual clutch will always have priority over the system.
When did motorcyclist get so sensitive towards manually shifting a motorcycle like it’s a chore? For some it’s part of the engagement, for others it’s a distraction but you don’t have to diss one to bring the other up. Just enjoy the ride.
Older riders in heavily congested cities (like Bangkok in my country) can now ride a proper bike in town without risk of stalling/ misshifting instead of scooters
@aluisious I didn't say need to be older, just suggesting one demographic of riders. But the point is that older riders in general tend to be less responsive as younger ones. This general apply to all sorts of physical activities.
dct was designed for racing adapted to products...it was not designed for luxury but can well be adapted into it. the twin clutch was developed in the 80s by porsche and audi for their racing and rally program respectively
Being someone who years ago lost three fingers off my left hand because of an industrial accident, this looks brilliant! Stop-go urban traffic has always been a chore, and I’ve had to pass on a couple of bike purchases simply because the clutch was beyond me. Well done Honda!
Seems like a good system, especially in traffic. If it's "a bit aggressive off the line," you can grab the lever right before you want to go off (seeing the light changing), and manage it yourself.
Well using the wrong maintenance items and having damage because of it, is very much NOT a fault of DCT. Using wrong engine oil in any modern engine can cause many issues Search for the ytuber Varahannes. He has a Honda Varadero and a Afrika Twin 1000 DCT The AT has over 500.000 ans absolutely no issues with engine or transmission
My first thought was "what a useless idea" but it obviously works well. I was reminded that many years ago I had a little race bike with a Yamaha TZ125 engine, and on one particular track I was doing around 30 gear changes per lap. Even with the extremely light clutch of the Yamaha, by the end of a day of 2 or 3 practice sessions and 4 races I was doing lots of clutchless shifting because my hand just wasn't quick enough any more. With that in mind it sounds like a great idea.
When I read about it I also thought "what a stupid idea". Tried the new CB650R with e-clutch today, it was awesome. I totally understand and love the idea after trying it.
Yamaha offered a similar clutch system on the FJR1300 for a few years. I owned one and liked it a lot. I have also owned a DCT Honda, and while the shifts were silky smooth, the auto shift points were not great, and it added a lot of weight. Hopefully Honda will add the logic to support auto shifting with this new system.
The engineers are probably worried about cable slop and it’s effects on the algorithm of the MCU, better in most cases to have the computer control where the system has the least amount of mechanical slop
As a cyclist, we have wireless gear shifting. I hope some day motorbike has this too. so you can shift gear by pressing a button with thumb, you don't need to use foot to change gear anymore.
I had a DCT Africa Twin for off roading. The DCT is the singke best peice of bike tech I've experienced to date. That said, its not enjoyable not having a clutch to feather in the dirt. It still works but its a lot of hard work. Id have a DCT for road though for sure.
I must say that the e-clutch sounds very interesting! I have damaged my left wrist in an previous accident. It left permanent damage to my wrist and some times when riding longer trips my wrist starts hurting from using the clutch. This could really help it!
This is certainly an appealing new technology and option. As someone who has a Rekluse Centrifugal clutch in my KTM, which effectively makes the bike an automatic in first gear but requires traditional shifting for every other gear, that is awesome for commuting situations the E-Clutch is like a more advanced, technical and broad evolution of that idea and the quick-shifter combined. Honda has my attention with this new tech and I look forward to seeing what they, and the industry as a whole, do with it.
Exactly this, many are not getting how much of game changer this new tech can become. Gone is the need to be riding the clutch lever and rear brake in heavy slow moving traffic. A proper motorcycle as easy and relaxing to ride in heavy traffic as a scooter is a big thing for many people.
@@neilhaughey6869Exactly. Even better is the fact you can use the clutch and rear brake manually if you absolutely have to. This is the best damned thing to come out on motorcycles, I’ve seen in years.
Distinct lack of footage or stills showing just how much it sticks out, it looked like a positive attempt to hide it, both my bikes have quick shifters but I only use them occasionally so would be quite happy to have the slimmer manual one.
When will other manufacturers catch up to Honda. I'm absolutely sold on Honda's DCT and have been for 10 years.... can't wait to try this. Others need to catch up
Don't see the appeal of making bikes as boring and automated as cars. You might see it as other manufacturers needing to "catch up", I see it as Honda making soulless bikes I wouldn't ride for free.
@@nordstar2698 Understood. Depends why you ride. I ride to get easily from A to B. I love riding but only ride to commute to work Others ride for the thrill, the feeling, the raw mechanical feel. I understand why those enjoy a more manual gearbox. Horses for courses.
@@t288msdfor commuter bikes yes other manufacturers need to catch up. I have a honda xadv and i also love the dct. But for sports bikes i really hope this doesn't become a thing.
Funny how the Gearbox debate is the same as the normal bike va ebike debate 😂 In the end when the dust settles everyone can use what they want and all the ney sayers that tried this will realize that after all it is pretty nice
The problem is not the clutch level, it’s the foot level. When someone invents buttons on the steering handle to shift instead of using your foot it’s an innovation. Yes, DCT has this function but it adds 10 kg if weight and more service costs.
As an American long haul trucker I started in 1994 with 8,9,10,13,and15 speed manual transmissions. When the auto shift came out it was a clutch start and stop but auto from 1-10 gears but sequential. Detroit Diesel engines makes a 12 speed, but with skip shifting. I can from a dead stop, start out in 2 then 5,8,11 then 12th. Wish motorcycles could do that😂 So it seems E-clutch is an “autonomous “ quick shifter similar to the DCT foot shifter option but on the gear component not the clutch side?
No, it’s still a full manual, but with an electronic mechanism to engage and disengage the clutch. You can also still manually pull and operate the clutch, and disable the system completely. As for automatic transmissions in trucks……glad you like it. I’d rather be soaked in gas and have a match struck. Give me a 13 or 18 any day.
looks like honda is bringing the best bits of their DCT tech to the track & street. I love my DCT on my Africa Twin and would love a track day weapon with it. PSA: I still know and ride manual bikes from time to time, just finding DCT Africa Twins is much easier and cheaper than the manual, and honestly they both have their trade offs.
Imo (as someone who daily rides a 2009 CBR600RR with a very heavy clutch) there is a difference between only really knowing how to not stall, and truly mastering a clutch/manual transmission. And most people don't progress past the first group because they are too used to automatics doing the thinking for them. My only other vehicle is a BMW 328i with a six speed manual, and regardless of whether I'm driving it or riding the CBR, I have never found the clutch to be overly cumbersome even in heavily congested traffic. Why? Because I don't try to drive/ride like it is an automatic, so I am either moving along in gear or stopped in neutral (if I am not at risk of being rear ended). Very little inbetween. My clutch usage is extremely minimal even without a quickshifter. I'm tired of cars and motorcycles getting so watered down because people are too weak and seemingly unable to progress past their current skillset.
WTF? First off, I’ve been driving manual semi trucks for well over 3,000,000 miles, and manual motorcycles for decades, and there’s a reason I take my scooter to the store, instead of my Busa……. Screw pulling in the clutch all the time. It gets old fast. And what about people that are disabled? This is the best of both worlds. The manual lover like you can disable the system, and still use the lever, while everyone else (myself included) can enjoy the benefits of not using the damned clutch. I protest automatics in semi trucks, because of the lack of fine control during slow speed maneuvering, but I’ve never once protested the same on motorcycles.
Maybe Europeans or Americans won't need it but Vietnam does. Many people buy a manual motorbike and then sell it quickly because they can't stand the clutch 😂 I used google translate so please forgive me if there is anything incorrect 😀
Here in Philippines that e clutch would be so much of help for our daily riders the traffic here is so much worst that some manual motorcycle often sold to be replaced by automatic scooters because of traffic
it seems like a quickshifter option for motorcycles with conventional cable throttle. To sweeten the deal it has the benefit of disengaging the clutch when standing still.
Im surprised of why they are coming with this feature now... Back in 2000s we already drove underbone Honda Wave 110 125, Yamaha Sirus, ... They are called semi-automatic clutch motorcycles and they work the same way as this E-clutch. The cost of the bike is around 7-800 euro, so it is not magical enough to be expensive. Can someone tell me the differences?
I’m just not sure about the way it looks as though it’s a tacked-on after-thought; this weird additional lump, like a tumour growing on the outside of your engine. Couldn’t Honda have made it more discreet or position it so it doesn’t stick out where the rider’s knee is?
Why bother - DCT has evolved over the past 15 years and is flawless. Seems like a storm in a tea cup to me this clutchless electronic guff. Just go DCT - can't go wrong! Anyway, my Kawasaki KV75 minibike has a clutchless gear change in 1973. The Honda Monkey had it in the 1960s. Why go half baked system - go the proper DCT! Africa Twin has it all sorted for you.
A) a lot of people still love shifting gears, and I don’t mean with a button, but actually properly shifting them manually B) show me a sport bike with a DCT. Not everybody wants an Africa twin, NC750X, or a damned big ass barge. C) it’s not just a centrifugal clutch, like your monkey. It’s a proper clutch, that you can still use manually for slow speed maneuvering, while still enjoying the benefits of clutchless shifting, that’s even smoother and faster than quick shifters.
@@thetowndrunk988 I suppose you're right in a way - some people still like riding horses for that 'natural feel' and they'd never think of a motorbike. I'm just saying that why do things by halves? It doesn't sound like you've ridden an Africa Twin - I can commend it to you, just make sure it is the '24 model as the DCT is so close to perfect in this latest incarnation it is supernatural - like the DCTs in Porsche and Merc it truly has a supernatural read on things. I've only ridden an AT DCT for about 40 mins - I don't own one yet - but I'm completely sold. Incidentally, in the twisties DCT can make you a BETTER rider, as many reviewers have admitted, as in not having to do the shift/leg/foot/clutch dance a thousand times per ride you are freed up to concentrate more intensely on the actual road, animals running out, corner approach and other technicalities. Oh, and they still make a completely manual model for those like you who still need a workout! 🙂
@@brianhoward9217 I rode the NC750X with a DCT. It is awesome, no doubt. But, it’s not a sport bike, and there’s a reason I own a Busa. That said, the Busa stays in the garage when I’m running errands, and if weather is good, I have a scooter. The reason?- I hate using the clutch in traffic, and of course with the Busa, you’ll hardly ever change gears in town. It’d be awesome to have a proper motorcycle, that can still get up and go, while being easier to ride around town. The NC750X is the absolute perfect commuter bike, but I find it boring. If someone came out with a true sport bike with DCT, I’d be interested for sure. Until then, this is the next best thing. And I still enjoy shifting gears most of the time. I just hate constantly clutching in traffic.
@@thetowndrunk988 Against that backdrop I'd strongly suggest you'd love owning an Africa twin. Again, I don't own one YET, however based on what you say it could very well be your ideal bike. It has appreciably more mumbo (read low-down torque) than the 750, handles as fast and as confidently as you'd reasonably like to take a bike through canyons or twisties (sure, no scalpal sportsbike) and is as easy to live with and practical for urban stuff as the 750. Take a test ride, this AT DCT truly is a do it all bike. I've had a Ducati Multistrada since new in 2014 and that 150HP is, I thought, a hard thing to give up for the lowly 100 in the AT. I was mistaken in that worry as max torque in the AT arrives at 5,500 rpm and the Multi many thousands higher. An AT DCT can run 0-100kph on a shande over 3 secs, The Multi is 2.9 secs. AT not bad for only 2/3 the power - it is the luscious torque wave that does it and no time taken changing gears. It just GOES! So, it has performance, ease of use, better handling that the good handling of your 750 and is a real off road bike to boot. Give one a test ride, I'd be very interested to see what you think 🙂
Now if they make to gear change using the same tech those of us that have a foot injury could ride any bike and not just the DCT ones. What reviewers always forget is that it is DCT that makes the bike an automatic it is the electronics, so put an actuator on the gear lever instead a mechanical connection (as BMW are going to do) stick a couple of buttons on the handlebars (as BMW aren’t going to do), put the lot under EMU control with a six axis and you have the best of all worlds and everyone would be happy, manual, auto, injured hand, injured foot, just lazy, virtually everyone.
I can see all the benefits and glad it can support limited riders with a geared option. However, it's just another component that can wear and tear. If this was early 2000 tech this would be great to hear about. I'm still waiting on one of these "concept bikes" to hit mass production and really give us a new and unique riding experience.
I was thinking this might be good for sitting at border crossings for long periods (like USA/Canada). I quit riding between border crossings because of the endless shifting and overheating on some of my bikes.
as someone who suffers from trigger finger and heavy traffic, this is an amazing solution. People who are purists might was well drive a non abs, non led, non disc brake, non liquid cooled motorcycle and have their hairline back to the 30's. if we fail to grasp the concept of innovation and be like the flat earthers during Galileos time, then we might as well just ride a horse and not use our smartphones.
That’s great, but even the best riders on earth can’t shift as smooth and fast as this new system allows. I suggest you read the technology behind it. It’s amazing.
I think it's a good idea, it will appeal heavily to commuter riders where there's lots of traffic in congested areas, like downtown. Although I do like the idea that you could turn the system completely off and just shift traditionally, rather than basically bypassing the system by just using the clutch... It seems strange bypassing temporarily rather than turning it entirely off, if that makes sense? But then again I ride a 2024 ZX10R and Kawasaki gives you the ability to turn the quickshifter on and off. I know this isn't a quickshifter, but, you get what I mean hopefully lol
i am all for technology and innovation, but i cant help but see this as "just another thing that can break" then again, i am not a sports bike rider. so my mentality towards bikes is keep them stripped down and as simple as possible.
I don’t see the point in this solution. I’m perfectly happy with a quick shifter and I’d probably be okay without that too if I loved a bike that didn’t come with one. I can imagine that DCT is great on a Goldwing or an Africa Twin. This looks like a solution looking for a problem.
it reduces shift shock and you can use it at low rpms and low load unlike a quick shifter. especially auto blippers are rare from manufacturer. i have a mild disability and can't blip the throttle while squeezing the brake so I'm really hoping this comes to the united states.
The point is it’s even faster and smoother than a quick shifter, it allows shifting at any rpm and load, and it allows you to still have a full manual transmission, while not having to constantly worth the clutch in traffic. The best part- you can still use the clutch.
It's not faster off the line than the DCT yet strange it's rev range engages up from 1.5rpm, where the DCT is 2k, Brilliant technolagy, I have a DCT Honda should make this available on the NC750x Manual, and it will be intresting how it performes on a parrelel twin rather a inline four "great Vid"👍👍👍
Maneuvering at low speeds, I need to have a clutch engagement that I can rely on. No automatic is going to give that so you end up having to juggle engagement against the rear brake. Too uncertain in my opinion.
Except you can also use the clutch lever. Why does everyone keep making this tired point? Did you, or anyone else, even watch the video? Or even read about the tech? You still have a clutch lever. You just don’t have to use it, unless you really want to
@@fremen321 you would be correct, but that's not what I'm trying to say. Eliminate the slipper clutch all together. Before slipper clutches were even invented. Riders actually knew how to slip the clutch during down shifting.
kinda sounds like their bike from the 90s called honda dream 110? We used to have it and the difference is there was no clutch lever at all but you need to change gear normally.
Same with the SuperCub. But, those were centrifugal clutches. This is a real clutch, that’s controlled through an electronic mechanism. But it also still has a lever and cable to override it. It still uses a true manual transmission as well.
I know I'll get hate for this, but I'd rather have a DCT, thank you very much. The country I'm stuck in doesn't allow lane filtering/splitting so in traffic I'd prefer an easy ride, not shifting at all. Let me just enjoy the ride with no hard work. I've been driving manual cars and bikes most of my life, now I'm tired of it. I work hard and after a long day of hard work I just want a vehicle that takes care of me.
@cascarification More scooter hate! Do you think that traveling 70 mph is much different on a scooter than a regular motorcycle. The main difference is that it took a couple more seconds to get there and I didn't have to shift, not even once. Also how about the under seat storage on a scooter plus the other comfort aspects of a scooter. At my age, I don't need to act like Rossi but I can have fun and keep up with traffic.
Makes me even more happy that my GSXR750 is bare bones even for a 2015. No TC, No ABS. Just great suspension, great brakes and a world class chassis. I was looking at other new bikes and all the electric trash and added failure points just pissed me off. Sure technology is cool, but not when you see an 80,000 mile GSXR ride past as your almost new bike is in for repairs and elecronics recalls, just for a somewhat unnecessary piece of kit.
You mentioned that the clutch slipping is very minimal, how is this comfortable for riding around town where you're constantly opening and closing the throttle? Wouldn't the bike just jerk forward and back like a horse all the time?
You're implying that you're doing something wrong when you ride. Opening and closing the throttle is irrelevant to the clutch. It's only going to pull the clutch in if you start going too slow for the engine to stay in gear.
Thank you! At the very least this made me very curious to know more about the E-cCutch system. A Hornet with an E-Clutch sounds like my perfect next bike though sadly we can't even get Hornets in the US.
@@jordanjoestar8839 That's what I ended up with so in the end Honda may have done me a favor not selling the Hornet in the US. The Hornet's more spicy engine is the main reason I'm still interested but it also wound have been more expensive initially (surprisingly I got a very good deal on the 8S) + would have required more after sale accessories to equip it to my satisfaction.
Can it be retrofit to older stuff? Otherwise what was wrong with a quickshifter or DCT? Is its one trick to sit there idling while in gear? It would outwardly appear to be a very clever solution to a problem that doesnt exist...
No, it’s also faster and smoother than a normal quickshifter, because it partially disengages the clutch during a shift. And is it such a bad thing to be able to sit without having to hold the lever in? Everybody who is ripping this tech, didn’t even watch the video on it. You can also go 100% manual, if you wish (for whatever reason only God knows). It’s faster than any human could ever be on gear changing and launching.
Does anyone know if it's possible to convert the taillight from the 2024 variant to the 2023 variant? Would be really cool if it worked because I think the front of the 2023 looks better than the 2024 front :) Would be a good combination with the 2023 front and 2024 rear lights.
Even if it works okay, this sounds exactly like modern day marketing, brainwashing customers into what they want you to have, not really what people want. There is almost always some hidden reason for this.Usually its money, Epa regulations , and or insurance company politics, etc.
Oh ffs. It’s still a full clutch. You can still manually operate it. It allows you to not have to pull in the clutch lever, unless you want to, and because it can control the clutch, it allows for even faster and smoother quick shifting in both directions. There’s no conspiracy here. There are tons of people that don’t wanna have to use a clutch anymore to ride, especially in traffic (myself included, which is why the Busa sits in the garage, and I take a scooter when I’m running errands around town).
That’s correct. It also partially disengages the clutch anytime you make a gear change, along with cutting the throttle, so it’s smoother and faster than a normal quick shifter.
for the same rough cost as having ABS (in N/A)... why wouldn't you put it on all your bikes? Maybe leave the Grom and 300 series out of it but I see absolutely not reason why it shouldn't be slapped on everything... you want manual? Use it like a manual. You want to just rip it on a highway and let the e-clutch do its thing? Rip away. Have to emergency brake and forget to actively down-shift? No problem!
Hi that's a nice innovation for people who really need it. In my case it's the foot which doesn't work as it is amputated. is there anything available for such handicaps. Thanks
Imagine this scenario, you're waiting at a stop light while in 1st! You see all your buddies revving their motors so you decide to join them. But the fact that you got an e-clutch, you forgot that you're in 1st not in neutral. Rest is history.
Imagine this scenario: You're on UA-cam. You see all these people writing interesting comments. You start tapping on the keyboard, but some pointless shit comes out instead. You press post anyway.
Hmmm I wonder if this needs maintenance.. Also I feel it's like adding another point of failure where there doesn't need to be one. I assume if you where to get issues with this.. It will definitely stop the bike from being usable
Well, your argument can be made for everything which is not essential to a bike: ABS, Quickshifter, Traction Control, Light Assist, Cruise Control, heated grips and so on. Maybe a bike from the 90s would then the best fit for you? ✌️
1. No. With a quickshifter you need the clutch when coming to a stop. 2. No. And you can also downshift while accelerating. 3. No. Because the throtle is still cable operated. No riding modes either, for the same reason.
Isn’t a quick shifter more expensive than the e clutch? I see the difference between this and a DCT being full auto, but surely this is superior to a quick shifter?
@@thetowndrunk988 I struggle to see how this is cheaper than a quick shifter though, just a shame no Honda offers any appeal to me much like their cars. Hondas seem to always be the safe bet
It’s not. It’s an electronic mechanism that controls the clutch, with a manual clutch lever and cable still attached. It’s also a true manual transmission, where your foot is actually moving gears through the lever, instead of electronically like the “manual” buttons of a DCT
Does this function as a hillstop/start to like i think BMW has in some bikes. So you dont need to use any breaks to roll back. Never tried that hillstop/start help myself but is this similar? Dont understand this from this video
If Honda can add the bmw S1000rr braking in which when you reach for the front brakes, the bike automatically activates the rear brakes, then you will have the perfect city street riders
Its apparently so good they won't sell it in the North American market, so good they won't even sell 2024 cbr650 twins just in case someone buys the part and tries to install it themselves.
Thanks for explaining and providing images of how the E-Clutch works. This is actually an ingenious design, I love how the manual clutch will always have priority over the system.
As a commuter, I think this is brilliant
Exactly
faster, smoother shifts sound great. It sounds like a superior quick shifter
Not only that reduces the extra wear associated with quick shifting and prevents stalling out
Except it doesn't blip on downshifts, which the quickshifter does !
The term 'Conventional Quiickshifter' blows my mind a bit...
Boomer take
I took a test ride today on the new CB650R with e-Clutch, it was awesome! I loved the system, it was really cool!
When did motorcyclist get so sensitive towards manually shifting a motorcycle like it’s a chore? For some it’s part of the engagement, for others it’s a distraction but you don’t have to diss one to bring the other up. Just enjoy the ride.
The exact same debate has been going on in the car world since Porsche made the 991.1GT3 PDK-only…. 2014
I remember I wanted one too lol@@timessix8434
@@timessix8434 That's true, lazy knobs ruin everything...
There are hundreds of new manual motorcycles and those models have a manual only version why are you even on this video?
It's two worlds in one, why be annoyed by that?..
Older riders in heavily congested cities (like Bangkok in my country) can now ride a proper bike in town without risk of stalling/ misshifting instead of scooters
Just ride your moped sissy
Buying a 100hp sportbike instead of a scooter for elderly? A recipe for disaster.
Why do they need to be older?
@aluisious I didn't say need to be older, just suggesting one demographic of riders. But the point is that older riders in general tend to be less responsive as younger ones. This general apply to all sorts of physical activities.
Only one question- when are Honda putting e-clutch on their other bikes?
dct was designed for racing adapted to products...it was not designed for luxury but can well be adapted into it. the twin clutch was developed in the 80s by porsche and audi for their racing and rally program respectively
Manual and semi-manual clutch all in one? Awesome! As long this tech is reliable, I'm all in!
Being someone who years ago lost three fingers off my left hand because of an industrial accident, this looks brilliant! Stop-go urban traffic has always been a chore, and I’ve had to pass on a couple of bike purchases simply because the clutch was beyond me. Well done Honda!
I'm missing 2 fingers on my left hand, so this makes me so happy!
Seems like a good system, especially in traffic. If it's "a bit aggressive off the line," you can grab the lever right before you want to go off (seeing the light changing), and manage it yourself.
Took me 30 000 kilometers to fall for the DCT; certainly wasn’t love at first feel, but it shifted my perspective.
Hahaha _shifted_ 🤣
break it and its an expensive mess... worked at a shop and have a few overheated examples because wrong oil is used...
Well using the wrong maintenance items and having damage because of it, is very much NOT a fault of DCT. Using wrong engine oil in any modern engine can cause many issues
Search for the ytuber Varahannes. He has a Honda Varadero and a Afrika Twin 1000 DCT
The AT has over 500.000 ans absolutely no issues with engine or transmission
@someguy9520 I think he means the price to fix is twice when it's a dct vs a conventional one
My first thought was "what a useless idea" but it obviously works well. I was reminded that many years ago I had a little race bike with a Yamaha TZ125 engine, and on one particular track I was doing around 30 gear changes per lap. Even with the extremely light clutch of the Yamaha, by the end of a day of 2 or 3 practice sessions and 4 races I was doing lots of clutchless shifting because my hand just wasn't quick enough any more. With that in mind it sounds like a great idea.
When I read about it I also thought "what a stupid idea". Tried the new CB650R with e-clutch today, it was awesome. I totally understand and love the idea after trying it.
Yamaha offered a similar clutch system on the FJR1300 for a few years. I owned one and liked it a lot. I have also owned a DCT Honda, and while the shifts were silky smooth, the auto shift points were not great, and it added a lot of weight. Hopefully Honda will add the logic to support auto shifting with this new system.
Oh .... that YCC-S system .......
They could shift the "box of tricks" under the tank, and have it pull the ordinary clutch cable - then it could be fitted to any bike !?
The engineers are probably worried about cable slop and it’s effects on the algorithm of the MCU, better in most cases to have the computer control where the system has the least amount of mechanical slop
It could be fitted to nearly any bike anyway.
Thanks bro.....❤❤❤from SRlLANKA
Man I wish we got the 650 here in South Africa, such a good looking bike.
As a cyclist, we have wireless gear shifting. I hope some day motorbike has this too. so you can shift gear by pressing a button with thumb, you don't need to use foot to change gear anymore.
I had a DCT Africa Twin for off roading. The DCT is the singke best peice of bike tech I've experienced to date. That said, its not enjoyable not having a clutch to feather in the dirt. It still works but its a lot of hard work. Id have a DCT for road though for sure.
The DCT is heavy. OK on a car, not what I want on a bike.
I must say that the e-clutch sounds very interesting! I have damaged my left wrist in an previous accident. It left permanent damage to my wrist and some times when riding longer trips my wrist starts hurting from using the clutch. This could really help it!
Try it! I took the new CB650R for a test ride today, it was awesome, you are going to love it!
I need to see the shop manual on how complicated changing the clutch will be before I even decide to buy one of these.
Knowing Honda it may be surprisingly easy, just another module to remove with maybe another 4 bolts.
A friend of mine has one... Easy to replace, but expensive either way to get worked on.
I think the system only adds a complete module in top of the case, so the clutch system inside would be just the same.
This is certainly an appealing new technology and option. As someone who has a Rekluse Centrifugal clutch in my KTM, which effectively makes the bike an automatic in first gear but requires traditional shifting for every other gear, that is awesome for commuting situations the E-Clutch is like a more advanced, technical and broad evolution of that idea and the quick-shifter combined. Honda has my attention with this new tech and I look forward to seeing what they, and the industry as a whole, do with it.
Exactly this, many are not getting how much of game changer this new tech can become. Gone is the need to be riding the clutch lever and rear brake in heavy slow moving traffic. A proper motorcycle as easy and relaxing to ride in heavy traffic as a scooter is a big thing for many people.
@@neilhaughey6869Exactly. Even better is the fact you can use the clutch and rear brake manually if you absolutely have to. This is the best damned thing to come out on motorcycles, I’ve seen in years.
Distinct lack of footage or stills showing just how much it sticks out, it looked like a positive attempt to hide it, both my bikes have quick shifters but I only use them occasionally so would be quite happy to have the slimmer manual one.
Great. I just saw the article the other day that honda e-clutch is coming to the USA in September 2024👍🏾👌🏾
Great video Matt, all over the e clutch
When will other manufacturers catch up to Honda. I'm absolutely sold on Honda's DCT and have been for 10 years.... can't wait to try this. Others need to catch up
You must be old
@@Sanisani9 no. Lazy, modern, efficient like all the automatic car drivers out there.
Don't see the appeal of making bikes as boring and automated as cars. You might see it as other manufacturers needing to "catch up", I see it as Honda making soulless bikes I wouldn't ride for free.
@@nordstar2698
Understood. Depends why you ride. I ride to get easily from A to B. I love riding but only ride to commute to work
Others ride for the thrill, the feeling, the raw mechanical feel. I understand why those enjoy a more manual gearbox. Horses for courses.
@@t288msdfor commuter bikes yes other manufacturers need to catch up. I have a honda xadv and i also love the dct. But for sports bikes i really hope this doesn't become a thing.
If they throw this on the next gen cb1000r I’ll buy it.
Funny how the Gearbox debate is the same as the normal bike va ebike debate 😂 In the end when the dust settles everyone can use what they want and all the ney sayers that tried this will realize that after all it is pretty nice
Great innovation by honda. I believe it's ok to break from the old tradition of keeping certain things the same. Not everything needs to be "taboo"
Good presentation....why are you saying lev-ver instead of leever ? Britain isn't the 51st state of the US !
These guys are rookies, full of americanisms.
The problem is not the clutch level, it’s the foot level. When someone invents buttons on the steering handle to shift instead of using your foot it’s an innovation. Yes, DCT has this function but it adds 10 kg if weight and more service costs.
Calling it a conventional quickshifter is such an understatement, its better, cheaper and more reliable than the modern quickshifters on modern bikes.
Indeed. People are not understanding how this works.
When is do we get a CBR750R with Hornet engine & E-clutch? That's what I want.
You really want to swap out the amazing inline-4 in favor of that lame twin? 🤮people are weird…
As an American long haul trucker I started in 1994 with 8,9,10,13,and15 speed manual transmissions. When the auto shift came out it was a clutch start and stop but auto from 1-10 gears but sequential.
Detroit Diesel engines makes a 12 speed, but with skip shifting. I can from a dead stop, start out in 2 then 5,8,11 then 12th. Wish motorcycles could do that😂
So it seems E-clutch is an “autonomous “ quick shifter similar to the DCT foot shifter option but on the gear component not the clutch side?
No, it’s still a full manual, but with an electronic mechanism to engage and disengage the clutch. You can also still manually pull and operate the clutch, and disable the system completely. As for automatic transmissions in trucks……glad you like it. I’d rather be soaked in gas and have a match struck. Give me a 13 or 18 any day.
looks like honda is bringing the best bits of their DCT tech to the track & street. I love my DCT on my Africa Twin and would love a track day weapon with it. PSA: I still know and ride manual bikes from time to time, just finding DCT Africa Twins is much easier and cheaper than the manual, and honestly they both have their trade offs.
Imo (as someone who daily rides a 2009 CBR600RR with a very heavy clutch) there is a difference between only really knowing how to not stall, and truly mastering a clutch/manual transmission. And most people don't progress past the first group because they are too used to automatics doing the thinking for them. My only other vehicle is a BMW 328i with a six speed manual, and regardless of whether I'm driving it or riding the CBR, I have never found the clutch to be overly cumbersome even in heavily congested traffic. Why? Because I don't try to drive/ride like it is an automatic, so I am either moving along in gear or stopped in neutral (if I am not at risk of being rear ended). Very little inbetween. My clutch usage is extremely minimal even without a quickshifter. I'm tired of cars and motorcycles getting so watered down because people are too weak and seemingly unable to progress past their current skillset.
WTF? First off, I’ve been driving manual semi trucks for well over 3,000,000 miles, and manual motorcycles for decades, and there’s a reason I take my scooter to the store, instead of my Busa…….
Screw pulling in the clutch all the time. It gets old fast. And what about people that are disabled? This is the best of both worlds. The manual lover like you can disable the system, and still use the lever, while everyone else (myself included) can enjoy the benefits of not using the damned clutch. I protest automatics in semi trucks, because of the lack of fine control during slow speed maneuvering, but I’ve never once protested the same on motorcycles.
agressive of the line is good, automatic systems are often why to soft
Maybe Europeans or Americans won't need it but Vietnam does. Many people buy a manual motorbike and then sell it quickly because they can't stand the clutch 😂
I used google translate so please forgive me if there is anything incorrect 😀
Damn, it really is impossible to find a corner of the internet to avoid hearing either of those celebrity names
Well it worked. You engaged! 😉
@@Naldo_S1K I'd rather engage them gears, amirite?
@@fatcole1152 lol. You got me!
Here in Philippines that e clutch would be so much of help for our daily riders the traffic here is so much worst that some manual motorcycle often sold to be replaced by automatic scooters because of traffic
it seems like a quickshifter option for motorcycles with conventional cable throttle. To sweeten the deal it has the benefit of disengaging the clutch when standing still.
It's like QS plus Rekluse. MV offered that named SCS. Except this one is electronic, whereas Recluse is mechanical.
Im surprised of why they are coming with this feature now...
Back in 2000s we already drove underbone Honda Wave 110 125, Yamaha Sirus, ... They are called semi-automatic clutch motorcycles and they work the same way as this E-clutch. The cost of the bike is around 7-800 euro, so it is not magical enough to be expensive.
Can someone tell me the differences?
I’m just not sure about the way it looks as though it’s a tacked-on after-thought; this weird additional lump, like a tumour growing on the outside of your engine. Couldn’t Honda have made it more discreet or position it so it doesn’t stick out where the rider’s knee is?
Why bother - DCT has evolved over the past 15 years and is flawless. Seems like a storm in a tea cup to me this clutchless electronic guff. Just go DCT - can't go wrong! Anyway, my Kawasaki KV75 minibike has a clutchless gear change in 1973. The Honda Monkey had it in the 1960s. Why go half baked system - go the proper DCT! Africa Twin has it all sorted for you.
A) a lot of people still love shifting gears, and I don’t mean with a button, but actually properly shifting them manually
B) show me a sport bike with a DCT. Not everybody wants an Africa twin, NC750X, or a damned big ass barge.
C) it’s not just a centrifugal clutch, like your monkey. It’s a proper clutch, that you can still use manually for slow speed maneuvering, while still enjoying the benefits of clutchless shifting, that’s even smoother and faster than quick shifters.
@@thetowndrunk988 I suppose you're right in a way - some people still like riding horses for that 'natural feel' and they'd never think of a motorbike. I'm just saying that why do things by halves? It doesn't sound like you've ridden an Africa Twin - I can commend it to you, just make sure it is the '24 model as the DCT is so close to perfect in this latest incarnation it is supernatural - like the DCTs in Porsche and Merc it truly has a supernatural read on things. I've only ridden an AT DCT for about 40 mins - I don't own one yet - but I'm completely sold. Incidentally, in the twisties DCT can make you a BETTER rider, as many reviewers have admitted, as in not having to do the shift/leg/foot/clutch dance a thousand times per ride you are freed up to concentrate more intensely on the actual road, animals running out, corner approach and other technicalities. Oh, and they still make a completely manual model for those like you who still need a workout! 🙂
@@brianhoward9217 I rode the NC750X with a DCT. It is awesome, no doubt. But, it’s not a sport bike, and there’s a reason I own a Busa. That said, the Busa stays in the garage when I’m running errands, and if weather is good, I have a scooter. The reason?- I hate using the clutch in traffic, and of course with the Busa, you’ll hardly ever change gears in town. It’d be awesome to have a proper motorcycle, that can still get up and go, while being easier to ride around town. The NC750X is the absolute perfect commuter bike, but I find it boring. If someone came out with a true sport bike with DCT, I’d be interested for sure. Until then, this is the next best thing. And I still enjoy shifting gears most of the time. I just hate constantly clutching in traffic.
@@thetowndrunk988 Against that backdrop I'd strongly suggest you'd love owning an Africa twin. Again, I don't own one YET, however based on what you say it could very well be your ideal bike. It has appreciably more mumbo (read low-down torque) than the 750, handles as fast and as confidently as you'd reasonably like to take a bike through canyons or twisties (sure, no scalpal sportsbike) and is as easy to live with and practical for urban stuff as the 750. Take a test ride, this AT DCT truly is a do it all bike. I've had a Ducati Multistrada since new in 2014 and that 150HP is, I thought, a hard thing to give up for the lowly 100 in the AT. I was mistaken in that worry as max torque in the AT arrives at 5,500 rpm and the Multi many thousands higher. An AT DCT can run 0-100kph on a shande over 3 secs, The Multi is 2.9 secs. AT not bad for only 2/3 the power - it is the luscious torque wave that does it and no time taken changing gears. It just GOES! So, it has performance, ease of use, better handling that the good handling of your 750 and is a real off road bike to boot. Give one a test ride, I'd be very interested to see what you think 🙂
Now if they make to gear change using the same tech those of us that have a foot injury could ride any bike and not just the DCT ones. What reviewers always forget is that it is DCT that makes the bike an automatic it is the electronics, so put an actuator on the gear lever instead a mechanical connection (as BMW are going to do) stick a couple of buttons on the handlebars (as BMW aren’t going to do), put the lot under EMU control with a six axis and you have the best of all worlds and everyone would be happy, manual, auto, injured hand, injured foot, just lazy, virtually everyone.
I can see all the benefits and glad it can support limited riders with a geared option. However, it's just another component that can wear and tear. If this was early 2000 tech this would be great to hear about. I'm still waiting on one of these "concept bikes" to hit mass production and really give us a new and unique riding experience.
Relax it's japanese not UK or US made ... it will be Bullet proof
I rarely use the clutch. Any bike. Do not get me wrong I know how to use it and off road it is needed more.
I was thinking this might be good for sitting at border crossings for long periods (like USA/Canada). I quit riding between border crossings because of the endless shifting and overheating on some of my bikes.
as someone who suffers from trigger finger and heavy traffic, this is an amazing solution. People who are purists might was well drive a non abs, non led, non disc brake, non liquid cooled motorcycle and have their hairline back to the 30's. if we fail to grasp the concept of innovation and be like the flat earthers during Galileos time, then we might as well just ride a horse and not use our smartphones.
Thanks I’m fine pulling a lever. Now about that wrestling ?
love to hearing cons in the near future about this e-clutch system
I'll stick with my old bikes with a round speedo and rev counter and a proper clutch that used correctly gives smooth as silk shifts.
That’s great, but even the best riders on earth can’t shift as smooth and fast as this new system allows. I suggest you read the technology behind it. It’s amazing.
$100 - Add this to the 750 TransAlp
I think it's a good idea, it will appeal heavily to commuter riders where there's lots of traffic in congested areas, like downtown. Although I do like the idea that you could turn the system completely off and just shift traditionally, rather than basically bypassing the system by just using the clutch... It seems strange bypassing temporarily rather than turning it entirely off, if that makes sense? But then again I ride a 2024 ZX10R and Kawasaki gives you the ability to turn the quickshifter on and off. I know this isn't a quickshifter, but, you get what I mean hopefully lol
From what I read, you can also turn it off in the menu settings.
i am all for technology and innovation, but i cant help but see this as "just another thing that can break"
then again, i am not a sports bike rider.
so my mentality towards bikes is keep them stripped down and as simple as possible.
I don’t see the point in this solution. I’m perfectly happy with a quick shifter and I’d probably be okay without that too if I loved a bike that didn’t come with one. I can imagine that DCT is great on a Goldwing or an Africa Twin. This looks like a solution looking for a problem.
it reduces shift shock and you can use it at low rpms and low load unlike a quick shifter. especially auto blippers are rare from manufacturer. i have a mild disability and can't blip the throttle while squeezing the brake so I'm really hoping this comes to the united states.
@@gibble75310It is. 24’ CBR650R has it.
The point is it’s even faster and smoother than a quick shifter, it allows shifting at any rpm and load, and it allows you to still have a full manual transmission, while not having to constantly worth the clutch in traffic. The best part- you can still use the clutch.
It's not faster off the line than the DCT yet strange it's rev range engages up from 1.5rpm, where the DCT is 2k, Brilliant technolagy, I have a DCT Honda should make this available on the NC750x Manual, and it will be intresting how it performes on a parrelel twin rather a inline four "great Vid"👍👍👍
Will be interesting to see if Honda can also make it behave like a slipper clutch?
Maneuvering at low speeds, I need to have a clutch engagement that I can rely on. No automatic is going to give that so you end up having to juggle engagement against the rear brake. Too uncertain in my opinion.
Except you can also use the clutch lever. Why does everyone keep making this tired point? Did you, or anyone else, even watch the video? Or even read about the tech? You still have a clutch lever. You just don’t have to use it, unless you really want to
When you brake it is necessary to down shift or the e cluch does it automatically?
During aggressive down shifting.
It will be interesting to see if Honda can also make it behave like a slipper clutch?
Is the slipper part of the clutch not on the drive side of the clutch? From the diagram, looks like this works on the input side of the clutch.
@@fremen321 you would be correct, but that's not what I'm trying to say.
Eliminate the slipper clutch all together.
Before slipper clutches were even invented.
Riders actually knew how to slip the clutch during down shifting.
Damm… Honda always innovating!
Since when?? Not recently
@@LeeTillbury They don't even fit Cruise Control as standard, the new Africa Twin needs it.
kinda sounds like their bike from the 90s called honda dream 110? We used to have it and the difference is there was no clutch lever at all but you need to change gear normally.
Same with the SuperCub. But, those were centrifugal clutches. This is a real clutch, that’s controlled through an electronic mechanism. But it also still has a lever and cable to override it. It still uses a true manual transmission as well.
I know I'll get hate for this, but I'd rather have a DCT, thank you very much. The country I'm stuck in doesn't allow lane filtering/splitting so in traffic I'd prefer an easy ride, not shifting at all. Let me just enjoy the ride with no hard work. I've been driving manual cars and bikes most of my life, now I'm tired of it. I work hard and after a long day of hard work I just want a vehicle that takes care of me.
Entonces cómprate un scooter . Este modelo está más enfocado a la diversión y deportividad .
@cascarification More scooter hate! Do you think that traveling 70 mph is much different on a scooter than a regular motorcycle. The main difference is that it took a couple more seconds to get there and I didn't have to shift, not even once. Also how about the under seat storage on a scooter plus the other comfort aspects of a scooter. At my age, I don't need to act like Rossi but I can have fun and keep up with traffic.
@@paul5683 te entiendo , yo también estoy valorando cambiar mi moto por un scooter , en concreto una vespa gts 300 🫠
Makes me even more happy that my GSXR750 is bare bones even for a 2015. No TC, No ABS. Just great suspension, great brakes and a world class chassis. I was looking at other new bikes and all the electric trash and added failure points just pissed me off.
Sure technology is cool, but not when you see an 80,000 mile GSXR ride past as your almost new bike is in for repairs and elecronics recalls, just for a somewhat unnecessary piece of kit.
It's more like an intelligent manual transmission
I want one, in city traffic is the worst
You mentioned that the clutch slipping is very minimal, how is this comfortable for riding around town where you're constantly opening and closing the throttle? Wouldn't the bike just jerk forward and back like a horse all the time?
You're implying that you're doing something wrong when you ride. Opening and closing the throttle is irrelevant to the clutch. It's only going to pull the clutch in if you start going too slow for the engine to stay in gear.
Thank you! At the very least this made me very curious to know more about the E-cCutch system. A Hornet with an E-Clutch sounds like my perfect next bike though sadly we can't even get Hornets in the US.
GSX8 is the better bike.
@@jordanjoestar8839 That's what I ended up with so in the end Honda may have done me a favor not selling the Hornet in the US. The Hornet's more spicy engine is the main reason I'm still interested but it also wound have been more expensive initially (surprisingly I got a very good deal on the 8S) + would have required more after sale accessories to equip it to my satisfaction.
@@jordanjoestar8839just uglier in the front 😜
Can it be retrofit to older stuff? Otherwise what was wrong with a quickshifter or DCT? Is its one trick to sit there idling while in gear? It would outwardly appear to be a very clever solution to a problem that doesnt exist...
No, it’s also faster and smoother than a normal quickshifter, because it partially disengages the clutch during a shift. And is it such a bad thing to be able to sit without having to hold the lever in? Everybody who is ripping this tech, didn’t even watch the video on it. You can also go 100% manual, if you wish (for whatever reason only God knows). It’s faster than any human could ever be on gear changing and launching.
How do you make a video about this topic and then edit out all the downshifts? Does it sound like an auto-blipper? Guess I'll never know.
Does anyone know if it's possible to convert the taillight from the 2024 variant to the 2023 variant?
Would be really cool if it worked because I think the front of the 2023 looks better than the 2024 front :)
Would be a good combination with the 2023 front and 2024 rear lights.
Yes its the perfect gear box i own one and enjoy it every day!
I'd have one, and choose when to use it. Perfect solution 👍🍺🇬🇧
Clutch levver?
I’ve always been a clumsy gear changer. Love to have an e clutch.
I rather had some better suspension than electronic gimmicks.
And the option for different seats
Even if it works okay, this sounds exactly like modern day marketing, brainwashing customers into what they want you to have, not really what people want. There is almost always some hidden reason for this.Usually its money, Epa regulations , and or insurance company politics, etc.
Oh ffs. It’s still a full clutch. You can still manually operate it. It allows you to not have to pull in the clutch lever, unless you want to, and because it can control the clutch, it allows for even faster and smoother quick shifting in both directions. There’s no conspiracy here. There are tons of people that don’t wanna have to use a clutch anymore to ride, especially in traffic (myself included, which is why the Busa sits in the garage, and I take a scooter when I’m running errands around town).
@@thetowndrunk988 , slow clap :)
Imagine this on a heavy traffic.
be awesome, you can pick your nose with your left hand now :D
Kinda Confused about this tech, say you are in 5th gear and came to a full stop, the bike wont die even without pulling the clutch?
That’s correct. It also partially disengages the clutch anytime you make a gear change, along with cutting the throttle, so it’s smoother and faster than a normal quick shifter.
for the same rough cost as having ABS (in N/A)... why wouldn't you put it on all your bikes? Maybe leave the Grom and 300 series out of it but I see absolutely not reason why it shouldn't be slapped on everything... you want manual? Use it like a manual. You want to just rip it on a highway and let the e-clutch do its thing? Rip away. Have to emergency brake and forget to actively down-shift? No problem!
Hi that's a nice innovation for people who really need it. In my case it's the foot which doesn't work as it is amputated. is there anything available for such handicaps. Thanks
DCT would be best bet
DCT or scooter
So is it like an automatic gearbox?
Tec to keep a eye on as it dont seem that long ago people was say who needs a quickshifter now people walk away from bikes without 1
Imagine this scenario, you're waiting at a stop light while in 1st!
You see all your buddies revving their motors so you decide to join them.
But the fact that you got an e-clutch, you forgot that you're in 1st not in neutral.
Rest is history.
you could always just squeeze the clutch lever
Imagine this scenario:
You're on UA-cam.
You see all these people writing interesting comments.
You start tapping on the keyboard, but some pointless shit comes out instead.
You press post anyway.
That's absolutely amazing right there
Hmmm I wonder if this needs maintenance.. Also I feel it's like adding another point of failure where there doesn't need to be one.
I assume if you where to get issues with this.. It will definitely stop the bike from being usable
If there’s an issue with the E-clutch you can actually disable it from the menu and use the clutch like normal.
@@GL4SS_20 ohhh that's good. This then negates that issue then if it can be disabled and the clutch can still function as well as the transmission
biggest point of failure is the engine :D this, you can easily override, in fact, you can opt to never use it, use the clutch lever.
Well, your argument can be made for everything which is not essential to a bike: ABS, Quickshifter, Traction Control, Light Assist, Cruise Control, heated grips and so on.
Maybe a bike from the 90s would then the best fit for you? ✌️
I just see this novelty gimmick as an expensive repair bill coming down the line in the future.
Great video, e clutch is a great feature
does it works exactly like a quickshifter/autoblipper?
do you need to let go of the gas before upshifts?
and does it blip when you downshift?
1. No. With a quickshifter you need the clutch when coming to a stop.
2. No. And you can also downshift while accelerating.
3. No. Because the throtle is still cable operated. No riding modes either, for the same reason.
@@MacAlex007thx
Isn’t a quick shifter more expensive than the e clutch? I see the difference between this and a DCT being full auto, but surely this is superior to a quick shifter?
Just from reading the tech behind it, it’s smoother and faster than a quick shifter, and it allows you to shift at lower rpm’s as well.
@@thetowndrunk988 so why would anyone chose a more expensive quick shifter over this?
@@invictalad because this just came out, and before now a quick shifter is all you had to choose from.
@@thetowndrunk988 I struggle to see how this is cheaper than a quick shifter though, just a shame no Honda offers any appeal to me much like their cars. Hondas seem to always be the safe bet
Why not a split transmission?
I'll give it a year to mature and/or break and see how much it cost long term to upkeep...
FYI ,slipper clutch for newbies = burnt clutch so...
It sounds like a dual clutch CVT if I’m wrong, please correct me
It’s not. It’s an electronic mechanism that controls the clutch, with a manual clutch lever and cable still attached. It’s also a true manual transmission, where your foot is actually moving gears through the lever, instead of electronically like the “manual” buttons of a DCT
Does this function as a hillstop/start to like i think BMW has in some bikes. So you dont need to use any breaks to roll back. Never tried that hillstop/start help myself but is this similar? Dont understand this from this video
No it does not, you will have to put your brake on and then just accelerator on to go
If Honda can add the bmw S1000rr braking in which when you reach for the front brakes, the bike automatically activates the rear brakes, then you will have the perfect city street riders
Perfect bike for idiots...
Honda already used linked braking system on many bikes. VFR in my memory may be first i saw. Its more of a gimmick with aditional weight.
Why have a clutch lever at all then?
Its apparently so good they won't sell it in the North American market, so good they won't even sell 2024 cbr650 twins just in case someone buys the part and tries to install it themselves.
It’s for sale now in America.