How to fight a T-72 (METT-T)
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
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METT-T stands for:
Mission
Enemy
Terrain
Troops available
And Time
Sometimes METT-TC is used for civilian considerations.
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Ryan would fight a T72 by challenging it to a whisky drinking contest.
Probably. But some contests I play to lose.
@@RyanMcBethProgramming wouldnt abrams run on whiskey? or all tanks would?
@@zukacs Abrams will basically run on any moderately combustible liquid. People complain about its fuel use, but on the other hand so long as you have a liquid that'll burn you can run it. That's the beauty of using a jet-turbine for a tank engine.
@@zukacs Whisky is usually about 40% ABV, even barrel strength probably not over 70%. I think most internal combustion engines can’t cope with 30% water. The turbine on an Abrams might tolerate it, I’m not sure. The tiny fraction that isn’t alcohol or water is probably not that relevant, although if it doesn’t burn cleanly it may foul up the engine.
@@DanielsPolitics1 If you've run out of fuel and aren't where you should be to get some more breaking your engine isn't your biggest issue imo. Put some whisky in there are try to make it to your rendezvous point. If you use the whisky you're just taking hours off the clock till your next engine overhaul. If you don't use something, you don't have a tank anymore.
Also I should ask, do you have a source for anything you just said?
Reminds me of an old tale here in the Irish army (Dublin).. The orderly officer walks up to the private on the gate of Collins barracks, “private Murphy what would you do if a British warship sailed up the river and started shelling us?”.. “Sir I’d get 50 tanks and blow the bastard out of the water”.. “This is the Irish army, where will you get 50 fucking tanks from?” Asks Capt O’Brian… “the same place you got your imaginary fucking warship from, sir”.. More clips like this please 😊
Excellent reply to Capt O'Brian
I don't laugh often at YT comments, but that story had me giggling like a schoolgirl.
@@oveidasinclair982 That;s because he's a Murphy
Using a possible scenario with a background story is just brilliant! And breaking it down to different options... More videos like this, please 🙂
Yeah this one was really interesting AND fun AND educational!
I second that, especially the last part
yep
'Yep, clever idea.... design a role-playing tank game, operated by the comments section on UA-cam!
1000% maybe bring in special guests with different roles or from different countries to compare approches
As an old 11H about a decade before Ryan, I like the way he explained the situation. I will add in 20 years I never stole anything. I did, however, explain to others what a great benefit they would receive for giving me what I needed from them.
It isn't theft if you're just securing loose gear until the rightful owners come back to claim it!
Let’s get real here, Ryan would just walk up to the T-72 and just knife hand the turret clean off.
And tactically acquire crew's stuff too.
Press (X) to board tank.
So Jimmy Hendrix would have to change the words then... "I'm standing next to a T-72, I chop it down with the edge of my hand"...
From what I learned so far, I would bunny hop to the next helicopter or run.
Fighting tanks as Infantry is less than half as much fun as it sounds.
My personal kill death ratio vs a tank is really bad. Real life a solid 0:0, which I am not sad about.
@@Bodya_CN he would strategically transfer equipment to an alternate location
Excellent video. As a Marine NCO, in Vietnam, we traded, borrowed and "reassigned" gear on a continuous bases. Best deal my platoon made was an NVA flag (that we bought from a local) and traded it to a Navy SeaBee for a Skill saw we needed for building a command bunker at base camp. As for where they got, don't ask, don't tell. As a retread in the Army, 11D40 scout, we only had the M114s. The TOWs were just being introduced on the border in West Germany. Our rule was, see tank, report and scoot. The 20 mm we had would only ruin their paint jobs. Thanks for protecting our country.
My favorite parts of the movie "The Green Berets" are all about the scrounger.
M114, that sucks.
Never left the OP Alpha without a M113 to tow us back.🤣
@@760raduran Smart move.
TY for your service.
Strategically transfer equipment to an alternative location = S.T.E.A.L.
Military humor is the best!
Why not just STEAL the T-72? From what I've heard, the Ukrainians have gotten really good at this.
I hope this gets top comment
What Ryan did not disclose was that Pvt. Schmukatelly was nominated for a Silver Star as a result of his actions at Battalion HQ
Grandchildren are getting worried. Grandma beat them in a paintballing session and now I'm getting insight into how to disable a tank. Joking apart another good video explaining to civilians how real conflicts really unfold for the combatants. It's not a game a bad decision can cost lives.
Fr, and I'ma use this to fight this tank in war thunder cuz why not. It should work seeing how war thunder is realistic
@@fire_storm_8314 realistic-ish, but yes, a group of friends who communicate and are able to tactically support eachother often trash the opposition in both WT and WoT.
@@fire_storm_8314 with allies/friends that constantly communicate and coordinate, you have a very good composition to winning matches, and you might as well bring popcorns cause the amount of salt some "players" might throw is enough to make the ocean jealous.
Paintball is a lot of fun.
ha!!
This was great. It almost felt like an Audible version of a Choose Your Own Adventure story. :P Would definitely like to see more like this in future!
Thanks Ryan, the next time I'm in a meeting engagement with a T-72 blocking my route to Tesco I'll try to remember METT-TC.
I see where you came from.
Just a question: was it Bosnian?
Question: Where do you park your T72?
Answer: Where ever I want. (It converts to cabrio if javelin is around)
Is drip or Drown bear man.
As a civilian, with sophisticated technical combat training knowledge from Command and Conquer: Red Alert 😆; I very much appreciate the logical progression of your breakdown and the simplified translation of protocol throughout each step. Keep up the good work. 👍
Try command and conquer generals with the expansion. And Arma 2, new level of strategic warfare.👍
You've perfected the art of storytelling. The depth of content, and sequencing, combined with just enough personal anecdotes to remind us these are the lived experiences of squishy people who don't want to die.
That's what they teach in A-NOC and B-NOC.. storytelling is a trait only senior enlisted possess.
I wasn't expecting such an elaborate situation painted for us.
Yeah he's on a Ton Scott level where he can turn any military topic into an interesting story, no matter how boring it is.
Love all the nicknames.
man that was an awesome breakdown! In a weird way it makes me *almost* miss Hohenfels.
Would like to see more videos like this. Really appreciate the explanation and arguments. Love to see more. ^^
Great vid Ryan. This is a video that really helps bridge the gap in understanding real world scenarios for non military/ex-miltary folks like me who have good knowledge of combat and military due to family and freinds in the military, growing up during the cold war(all the movies), and being a history nerd. Love these real world scenarios you do. This was even better than the one you did on calling in an artillery strike.
This was interesting even by McBeth's normally high standard. Thank you--more of this, please!
More of this for sure!
P.S. Just a thought.... If the tank is out in the open all exposed like that alone, one would think it's broke down.?
I thinkhaving all them guys and all I might want to scope out a tad more.
After relocating the 100 yards to the right and doing a 360 check for others, if they feel they can (depending on distance) I'd almost have two of them run up to the tank and jump on top and see if they can access it. If so, check and see if anyone's home. if so... (depending on how many remain) Attempt to take hostage and gather all crucial intel which I believe would be beyond useful, if they become a threat, drop a grenade inside, close, run.
If you do manage to take hostages, you could also take tank...
If empty, try to see why and attempt to take tank or permanently decommission it.
Aftermath... Go eat cake and get your co-soldier all healed up the best you can.
You should do more of these combat scenario breakdowns more often. They're very interesting.
This channel is amazing! Its 5 30AM and I'm learning how to destroy a tank 😆
@@ts757arse
I hear ya brother.
Nobody will question why I've been gone for 13 minutes, as I have an appalling diet!
See: when you got that scenaro, you are already a million times lucky - and likely still dead, even if you destroy the tank.
the german kids in the berlin on the morning of May 5th 1945 did the same
This kind of hypothetical play-by-play is such an incredible teaching tool! Thanks from the UK
I think this would be a great idea for a live T-72 as well, although I know making any plan on the fly would take a lot longer since the 72 would have spotted you at some point, were it live, and would have sent a round if it knew it got spotted.
For live T-72: Assume it fires and misses. If it hit game over you all die; if lived then scram! Smoke out from the Bradley’s canisters if available and find defilade and position in there. If only defilade is too shallow for the IFV, move near it with smoke between 72 and Brad slightly displaced from its original position where it fired smoke. Dismount the Fire Team, split the Fire Team and Bradley some ways apart as to prevent double killing the IFV and Squad; then proceed as the same: Javelin out first then tow-2 from Bradley, then bushwhack the hell out of it. Hopefully one or both groups have Thermals that can acquire lock through smoke.
If the T-72 retreats, or the shots don’t land, call for reinforcements first, then get arty on position. When Battalion HQ gets word Tanks are about to roll up guns hot they will take an extra large order with all the sides and get it delivered 5 years ago.
Unless they think they’re concealed and they’re observing you.
@@kolinmartz If they don’t fire at you, then same scenario as what he describes; the trick here is that they might fire on the Fire Team, which is why you split them. Fire Team is dead but Bradley still got his stuff. If Bradley dies you as the Fire Team either try to out range him (impossible in that situation) Or call for backup because you are SOL in that situation. Alert HQ & get range & position for fire support. If anyone had smoke grenades use em for concealment, but if it’s a Tank playing dead just to fool you it becomes a much more dangerous situation. Just check to see if it’s turret or optical site is rotating while you’re moving and you’ll know if it’s live and tracking you.
What if there is zero defilade and for certain it’s a live tank, but you didn’t notice until halfway down the road? Do you:
A) full speed down the road to get to cover
B) full reverse back to HQ and report, positioning the Bradley for a Road Engagement
C) Dismount the Infantry and Full Kursk Charge at the Tank, hoping it buys some time for the Infantry to do what it needs to
It gets more complex and situational in different scenarios. I would love to hear a Bradley crew went full dumb and charge the Tank. In that circumstance use a spiral approach where the corner of the IFV is pointed at the Tank and full speed in a spiral pattern while unloading 30mm on the Tank’s Opticals to hopefully get its turret off of you or stunning the crew from getting an easy shot; zig-zag pattern is also good and it requires you to time it with when you think they’re about to shoot or already shot, where you stop, smoke in place, reverse & face the opposite corner to it, then forward and repeat until it’s dead; but these are bold moves with huge risk. Better to try and out range with ATGM unless TOW-2s can also be fired on the move.
Regardless ATGM is the Real Life Meta, so always go with them to take out a Tank over anything else unless they’re too close. Then it’s a game of whack-a-mole, and you and your squadmates are the moles
@@yousaidthusly461 lets go 2nd worst case scenario thought exercise, open road with flat desert all around, you only notice the T-72 because it fired from camouflage and missed just grazing the gunners thermal sight disabling it but the backup optical sight still works. tell me what you think of my plan and what you would do instead:
first i would start laying into the T-72 tank with the autocannon, hopefully my gunner paid attention in target id school and knows where aim for the T-72 gunners sight and destroy it or make it close up. At the same time kick the infantry out the back with the javelin, maybe dont even stop moving to do so, just drop the door but keep moving. no point in them being in the deathtrap with me and the crew, i yell to the infantry SL as hes bolting for the door that we need to kill the Tank before it kills us, there is no Cover, and give him the bearing to the tank. Then tell driver to hit the gas and force the T-72's gun to move. I'm assuming that the only reason they missed the first shot is because they have a shitty traverse for the turret or no stabilizer/auto tracking so being a moving target might save me again. At this point the gunner or i should have already been deploying the TOW to the firing position. i pop the smoke to cover the infantry while they get set up. then tell driver to move up and right around the smoke until the gunner to shoots the TOW as soon as its ready and he has a shot. if the TOW works or the Javelin gets shot then with any luck the turret will pop or some other explosion happens inside the T-72 rendering it very clearly dead.
But worst case though lets assume the TOW failed, fire again, the TOW fails again, and lets say the 25mm is making their life hard enough or damaged optics enough that the T-72 fired their cannon but have missed. at this point with TOW out and 25mm not working i'm basically down to video game circle strafing, running around the T-72 trying to hit the sides or rear with 25mm while hopefully the infantry javelin or other assets come to save me. i might order the driver to drive/circle closer to the T-72 if i think we can drive around it faster then their turret traverse can keep up, maybe adding in random speed up and slow downs or other maneuvers to try and make the enemy gunner miss again. worst case lets say i see the javelin miss or its ineffective and reinforcements are 30+mins away. If we pop smoke and I or the infantry try to retreat over the open desert the T-72 will probably have time get its shit together and mow us down with the cannon and coax. so i give the order to charge straight at the T-72 and ram it, preferably straight into its barrel hopefully bending or disabling it, at that point our bushmaster is probably jammed or bent and useless, so the gunner and i jump out while the driver just runs back and forth ramming trying to make the T-72s life as miserable as possible while i grab m4's and hopefully some grenades and explosives and then try and jump on top of the T-72 and hope that they are stupid enough to open up or try to get a grenade in or destroy optics. if I'm on top of the T-72 and can get to their commanders DSHK i might try to point it down at the hatches/engine/optics.
at this point I'm pretty much just sacrificing myself so that hopefully only 3 crew and a brad die vs the 6 infantry and a medic, and hopefully the T-72 is occupied long enough for help to come, and if I'm still alive I'm watching for some signal like flares or a friendly tank shooting into the ground near me to get my attention or something so i can run as fast as i can away from what is hopefully about to be an Abrams turning the T-72 into Scrap.
But all in all if the TOW and javelin fails i am probably already dead, the last paragraph is probably just a Tom Clancy novel.
@@purplepenguin43 yeah no this is an overall losing scenario all the way; smoke, full reverse AAALLLLL THE WAY back, outrange as far as possible is the best you can do. I mean you NOT getting hit a second time very soon with autoloaded 130mm HE shell is impossible unless the crew is full Russian standard drunk, and assuming somehow you got close enough for your bushmaster to be in effective range is an absolute miracle or a sneaky ambush by the T72. Back AWAY and spray n pray because optimally you wanna make yourself a small target. Getting hits on optics or bum-rushing the tank at this point is some real cowboy shit, good luck actually making it work. And the time it takes to even explain your plan to the squad quick enough to evacuate them with ALL their Javelin gear is the time it takes for an Autoloader with a drunk asshole operating it to fire the HE shell into your IFV TWICE OVER. You’d be lucky to even get half the people out before your Bradley becomes what was left of a tan-colored burger stand, let alone have a javelin or two.
Reverse, Smoke like it’s a bad habit, keep smoking, reverse in a slight zig-zag away, and if you can during all of that, bug out of the Bradley IN FULL, crew & all. Keep throwing smoke around the area and lay down. Get Javs out of the IFV, and spread out on the floor. Hopefully someone caught a glimpse of that 130 big dick barrel shooting Russian Opression your direction, and is able to rangefind it for your fire team. Engage with javelins and turn off the Bradley’s engines BUT NOT ELECTRONICS (unless it needs its engine to operate) to make its signature slightly less. Have some brave poor gunner attempt to aim the TOW with non-thermal sites (I don’t have the knowledge whether or not you can even guide a TOW without main gunner sights so good luck with that). Wait for the smoke to clear and fire away because if that tank ain’t dead from the Javs, you are very much a tree about to become mulch.
I didn’t even mention that it has a 12.7mm auto cannon and will probably be suppressing you and your squad. It’s a “nice try but no” situation. It would reeeally have to be the utter incompetence of the enemy Tank crew which would save you.
2 more t 72 may be with him...I would grav cover and not push...grab defense and not push
Ryan, this was absolutely EPIC, over.
And you are a very gifted trainer / instructor! (Based on a true statement)
I am sure you were a great leader, kept your team secure and achieved your missions.
Thank you for your service Sir.
7:45 I feel like even as a mandatory serviceman I relate to this to a "true story" extent. Both ends, as the dude in the company who did the stealing and the guy who's company's shit got yoinked, mainly the coveted "halal-type" MRE sets because it has curry and tastes nice compared to the hospital food everyone else gets.
That type of stuff never happens... ahem.. like In Afghanistan, british .50 cal ammo which was from Portugal if I remember rightly was Terrible. so American ammo was used.. beggged and borrowed.. lesson... don't sell your ammo manufacturers to somewhere else, quality suffers.
There's only one thief in the Army, everybody else is just trying to get their shit back.
@@blackcountryme I mean. Portugal is using that same ammo.
@@blackcountryme
In the early 80s (or so my father tells me) the British 'lost' a serious quantity of small arms ammo. So the shortfall was 'made good' with ammo from India, at least for training.
Anyway, as my father was doing his annual SMG re-certification (ex RAF) he noticed that the Sterling wasn't quite working 'as expected'. Less than the usual 'kick' shall we say.
So the armourer told him this story, and yes, the Indian ammo does 'dribble' out of the barrel.
I loved the "T-ration birthday cake" story slipped in there by Ryan. I lived on T-rations for at least two months. For some reason, every lunch and supper was accompanied by chocolate pudding and canned peach slices in heavy syrup. I couldn't even look at either chocolate pudding or canned peaches for 20 years after Desert Storm. Same with Corn Nuts as they were included in the standard "Care Package" sent to "Any Soldier". The thought of ranch flavored Corn Nuts is making me shudder 32 years later. That said, my experience was a T-ration cake walk compared to the Poor Bloody Infantry of the Iraqi 25th Infantry Division just across the border from us. I watched a three-aircraft cell of B-52's carpet bomb the 25th. With lethal cluster bomblets lying all over their positions, the survivors would barely leave their foxholes. Small wonder they surrendered so fast when US 1st Infantry Division (Big Red One) blew through the berm and charged in amongst the Iraqi 25th and 26th Infantry Divisions. The Republican Guard divisions were in much better shape and put up a lot more fight.
I love how you walked through other similar situations and addressed briefly what would happen then. Finally you dialed in on a spectacular show with an engaging and..... Well exciting story.
I'm so sorry to every enemy of America that your leader couldn't be peaceful, and I'm thankful to everyone who fights for my opportunity to be more comfortable than any king has ever been.
This is also a good example for civilians to understand what good leadership is like. All these things run through your mind in just a few minutes or even seconds. The OODA loop never stops. Every engagement is important yeah but getting a leader past their first few is significantly important beyond just survival. Civilians get the abridged hollywood version of what good leadership is like that focuses on the obvious heroics stuff but it's really competent and timely decision making. When that pucker factor suddenly ramps up to a 10 when you were just sitting there having a smoke.
Competency in decision-making is hard to show in a short time, dramatically speaking. In _Band of Brothers_ they have the bad example of Sobel to start off with, and then follow Winters as he goes from Lt to major, mostly making the right decisions without fuss.
For the uninitiated:
Observe - identify/understand
Orient - think/maintain situational awareness/understanding
Decide - a plan of action with alternate COA(s). For example, "if you make contact skedaddle" or "if it (javelin) misses [unlikely] skedaddle"
Act - execute [hopefully survive]
(repeat)
Ryan is going to be a keystone figure to future historians. The availability of information in this day and age is astounding.
I refuse to second guess the BC (Bradley Commander) on the ground with his tactics! Well played and plausible engagement technique. This is Bradley Master Gunner approved!
This is an awesome breakdown of combat analysis and logic. I absolutely love the video. Also your ad bit at the end was hilarious. “Take a hike commie!” Wilhelm scream*
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METT-T stands for:
Mission
Enemy
Terrain
Troops available
And Time
Sometimes METT-TC is used for civilian considerations.
And it's part of the troop leading procedures here:
www.benning.army.mil/MCOE/199th/~CATD/MCCC/Reserve/content/pdf/Troop%20leading%20procedures%20outline.pdf
The original question can be found here:
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"Crap, chows gettin cold..."
😆👍 Top priority.
Damn your storytelling skills are on point! The situation feels very realistic and gives a lot of insight on how a meeting engagement goes, Amazing video!
I like the plan, start with the FnF away from your main asset and shoot and scoot, they won't even know what hit them and if the missile fails, they will be scanning the wrong sector for that second shot. It was curious to know that artillery isn't as available as an asset as imagined. I suppose when you are just searching for the enemy in the grey zone its damn near impossible to station artillery somewhere for every engagement.
First, the radio frequency to call in arty isn't usually available for common squaddies. It cuts down on low level leaders "taking initiative" and accidentally flooding the artillery channel with requests.
Second, artillery ammo is a finite resource and it is usually the biggest firepower available to the fighting force. As such, it can't be expended on every possible threat, even if that would surely warm the squad leader's heart. If every bush or heat signature could be poked by the experient use of an Excalibur precision shell, I'm sure all the squaddies would be happy. But there are limits, even to the US army budget.
And firing conventional 155mm artillery requires a pretty significant safety zone so you don't accidentally shell your own men. Not just because the artillery is imprecise, but without a dedicated artillery spotter or forward observer, the coordinates the squad leader is able to provide may not always be "quite right".
The scenario is of course pretty much a joke already. "You stand there undetected at perfect range for you and no one else is around."
Why even make up such a scenario? Could turn it aruond. "Yeah, you are dead, because a tank sneaked up on you and shot you right in the face. Hu."
@@whitescar2 have to think of a british streamer, called Sovietwomble. Was playing Arma with his crew and said crew called in artillery. Hot second later "where did you call fire? These are our coordinates! *Everybody f**#cking** scatter!* "
Yeah, it's kind of a thing that even if you don't get a first-shot kill, the first crew to shoot almost always wins in an armor fight. Even if it's hilariously mismatched.
@@miriamweller812 Is it though? In Ukraine a Russian tank drove up to a bunch of Ukrainian soldiers because they failed to identify it as an enemy tank. The tank also failed to identify them as enemy soldiers until it was very close. The tank crew noticed their error first....
Honestly, you going over these potential situations is pretty entertaining, if you don’t mind me asking, could we get more of these please?
Probably one of ur best videos ever. Wish u did more content like this.
Yeah I can I do too. But I have a job and it takes a long time.
@@RyanMcBethProgramming come on man, where's your work ethic. Our boy Perun churns out one intelligence briefing-level presentation per week, and he's got a job too, AND ANOTHER UA-cam CHANNEL. Just kidding of course, I love your stuff and I'm massively impressed that you do this stuff in addition to your actual job. I know I couldn't.
Yeah. We need more scenario solving videos like this one. Keep up the awesome work!
"Steal" is such a strong word. I prefer "acquire".
Reallocation of resources
"self-issue" was the phrase I repeated to myself over and over
"It's not stolen, it's right out there"
ua-cam.com/video/M9NQXNUNeDE/v-deo.html
Liberate, I liberated the cake.
Borrowing ahead of permission.
I think you should add the word fascist to your end of video ad roll.
Something like “when I’m not kicking commie and fascist butt”
We need to prime the American public for the threat of fascist Russia.
This is how you engage:
1) Urinate on the soil
2) Mix soil with a stick, until it forms mud.
3) Take the mud onto a slipper, a sneaker or a shoe
4) Approach enemy tank
5) Obfuscate with the mud the enemy visuals.
That was the answer my father gave to his comander, in the glorious Spanish military while his military service. He was in a tank batallion. They had no tanks to practice. They had to practice with a truck, that was broken. Cannon noises were made by screaming "booom-boooom".
BTW, he got one day detention for his answer.
Show initiative! He should have have a day of for at least trying his best!
¿Cuándo fué esto? ¿En los 60?
@@andresmartinezramos7513 57. De hecho, se presento voluntario para ir a Marruecos. Por suerte, su familia soborno, chilló, pataleó y le quitaron de la lista de voluntarios. El batallón entero en el que debería haber ido murió, ningún superviviente.
El estaba en las Islas Canarias.
I think it's a valid approach. Showing dominance in the battlefield by showing cojones.
Ryan, we are going to need to start an entire separate series that is a few minutes worth of re-enacting scenarios, graphics, and you doing the voices for sure!!! A.k.a. Like this video.
Today I learnt what the army version of "that would be an ecumenical matter" is: "That's METT-TC dependant"
None of the Americans are gonna get this reference lol
Reference : Father Ted , episode Tentacles of Doom
ua-cam.com/video/2TQuacxEjAU/v-deo.html
And watch the beginning of the clip for the training section
This was so much fun. Loved the whole scenario walkthrough. Would love to see some more.
Great video. Please do more with the scenario involved. It makes things so much easier to understand, and helps in learning.
That was a fantastically well explained scenario and options. Without the luxury of CAS, I agree 100% with your strategy.
War games:
Have the Javelin locked on target and ready.
Then ask with your chaingun if anyone is at home in the T-72
Then get blown up by the hundreds of other units from which 90% you can't even see.
That's the problem with your video games, they are complete bullshit.
@@miriamweller812 Nah... It's only the Russians who can't see. In every possible way. That is why they are losing here. That is also why they started this war.
I know that the question was "could you do it with the Brad.." however- I think if you had the option to do it without the Brad or the troops, I'd take it.
I think the only things I would add to that attack plan are the following (11C, so not my main mission, but something I did train for)
1) Spin that Bradley turret ALLLLLL the way around looking through the thermals for enemy in the area. (Woodline, scrub brush, etc..) Could be some hollywood shit where the tank does have a malfunction and the crew decides to set up an ambush. (Prior to Feb 24, 2022 I would have thought that a modern military wouldn't have done some dumb shit like that... but the owners of a sizeable proportion of T-72s have had me scratching my head with their antics.
2) If you've got a hotgun with an Excalibur round, I'd give them the 10 digit grid and let them wreck the tank.
(I mean, maybe I'm partial to IDF, but that seems a whole lot safer than fuckin' around to possibly find out. they set up a defensive perimeter around their tank while they wait for recovery assets...and it hadn't seen you yet.) Would require some math for a precise 10 digit grid relative to your position, but short of the newest upgrades, it shouldn't be able to detect a LRF.
At the very least if the excalibur misses and the tank is aroused because the crew was asleep inside... the arty already has a FFE area to give you cover to get home, and the tank crew is not going to be hunting for you..
i'd fight a T-72 like a real man. gloves on, in the ring until one of us is knocked out or surrenders. any other way is for cowards
I hope your eulogy is beautiful.
We now have a real life example of a Bradley taking on a T90
Even better plan: Get brigade to call in a Ukrainian assault tractor team
Awesome content, I love it. Thank you for sharing your experiences and insights.
This role play scenario was great! Can you do more of these? Fascinating!!
Loving it. Throwing me back. I’d follow you in sarnt. Purpose, direction, and motivation right here people. This whole thing goes tits up and we get drafted I’m finding you brother. Can’t make leaders like this.
We ought not assume the Russian's tanks in Ukraine are the "monkey models" for export.
I would not gamble my life on 30mm against even the side hull armor of T72, we cannot assume Ukrainians will have DU rounds, or even tungsten core, or use the proper ammunition even if it were available.
I do recommend issuing DU rounds to Ukraine for Bradley.
Doesn't 30 mil APFSDS technically always have tungsten core as a penetrator? Shooting a lot of depleted uranium into the soil also sounds like a bad idea for the future...
@@konstrkiev yes, DU is a horrible munition but 30mm against T72 is a horrible mission. I didn't know armor piercing fin stabilized discarding sabot has a tungsten core, though that's logical since I don't think there's a shortage of tungsten.
I'd be very skeptical about getting 30mm throug the side armor of a T72.
From a civi who appreciates detailed tactical analysis, context, and great explanation of METT-TC, "woohoo"! If I weren't subscribed already, this would have done it. It's almost worth making an alt so I can double subscribe!
An Epic performance by Ryan! I can now appreciate real life as a soldier led by a Sergeant like you! Having only served in Local Civil Defence in the UK in the early 1960's I was gobsmacked by your presentation style! More Please!
Is the choice to use the Javelin before the TOW because the infantry can reload the former when they get back in, but reloading the TOW on an IFV turret is a bit more complicated and still leaves about half your body exposed on top of the Javelin being fire and forget and they can get back under cover faster?
I thought it was to have a chance the tank is looking away from the Bradley if the first shot fails and the troops have to make a run for it.
FIRST... you're NOT a thief, you're a "materials acquisition specialist" and you're securing "government equipment". 👍
The rest of the plan sounds solid! 😁👍
"a dogs breakfast" Ryan, you're a man of many cool phrases
As the BCs driver I was in charge of "special procurement". I think that was my favorite part of the job. I was a 12b (combat engineer) from 91-99. Probably the funnest 8 years of my life.
I served in anti tanks, our military used T tanks at the time, before the Leopards. Aim between the hull and the turret.
It’s always scout/loader out! I’M SICK OF THIS! Just swack em with the TOW… I’m making mystery stew back here! It’s cold out! The second I open the door on the LAV-AT… you’re just gonna yell at/for me to get back inside anyway! You only want me for ground guides and radio/fire watch! I hate you! I wanna be a driver!
Regarding aiming... In real combat situation no one is actually aiming in specific place. You just shot to hit - anywhere!
And interesting that in 95% cases after hit crew of tank is retreating from battlefield on tank or by foot.
Because you actually don't know from inside how damaged are you actually and it more safe to retreat for checking than to continue fighting with big chance to catch malfunction in dangerous situation.
That's why I slapped any soldier who shoot just for the sake of shooting and with no specific target. Wasting ammo and reveal a good firing position.
@@gundarvarr1024
Please be more attentive.
I didn't said that some one shoot just for the sake of shooting.
I said "You just shot to hit - anywhere!".
In other word in real war you would not want to be out of tranche for any additional moment by trying to hit some specific place of tank. In 95% of cases it is actually enough to hit it anywhere so that it would retreat from battlefield.
Russians left lots of quite 'alive' tanks with minor damage because of reasons which I've explained in original message.
Maybe you confused by 'anywhere' word. I meant anywhere on tank body.
Amazing video. I never realized how complicated the art of battle is. The FPS games seem not to capture the reality :D
You make such fantastic content. I normally am not interested in this kind of stuff, but you put so much thought and heart into it that it is captivating!
I really hope that on personal level this will be useless knowledge 🙈
-Male, 36, German
Man I just don't see any room for de-escalation right now :(
On the one side you have Putin, who seems to have become a victim of his own propaganda, and on the other side you have us (the western and far Eastern democracies) who say "Russia must not win". Which, btw, I wholeheartedly agree with.
Now from a sane point of view I'd say Russia can't win this. But Mr. Kremlin has apparently gone INsane and right now is throwing bodies (PEOPLE) at a problem that can't be solved like this with no regard for loss of life.
Ukraine has a population of roughly 45 million, Russia of 140 Million. I don't see Ukraine holding on "just" with better equipment.
So at some point I would expect troops from western Europe, the US and Korea/Japan to join with the Ukrainian forces.
At that point Russia, or the entire world is facing ...well let's not say it out loud.
I don't think that either side wants to "escalate", BUT:
Putin doesn't want to back down and we (as in the western democracies plus Japan and Korea) are convinced we can't give an inch, so Russia won't do the same exact thing in 5-10 years again.
The logic behind this is terrible and I believe that Russia only attacked thinking this would be over within a few days and we won't respond, like we did 2014 when they took over Crimea.
I thought a bit of how we as in the world could find a path to de-escalation:
The only way I see is this:
Historically WW1 and WW2 ended in defeat not when it was clear who lost, but when the armies collapsed. In WW1 it was clear that Germany was beaten and the heads of the army made clear that the front would be on German soil sooner rather than later.
In world war 2 Berlin had to be conquered. An attempt to kill Hitler was carried out by soldiers who recognized German defeat earlier but unfortunately they failed.
If we want the Russian military leaders to realize they can't win, then sending 14 Leopard 2 A6 at a time and 31 Abrams half a year later won't be enough to change their evaluation.
I don't want my government to use money for tanks and fighter jets and bombs and ammo, because then they can't spend it on things like schools, universities, health care and so on.
Right now I don't think we have a choice and Europe should VASTLY AND IMMEDIATELY increase the amount of military spending, sending a VERY CLEAR message.
There is no way to win this war for Russia and they better end it now, because every single day it's going to get worse.
Of they don't want to see Russia to collapse as a state (which I think would be good, because it would greatly limit its offensive potential in the future) than they better end this war now.
If you have other ideas, especially better ones with respect to chances of success please let me know.
Thank you for reading this little essay.
Another great scenario, thank you for sharing your insight!
Your American, call in A-10, Apache, AC-130 spooky, F-35, scram jet ATGM from the missile cruiser parked off shore
If that Javelin and Two TOW's don't kill a T-72 then (depending on model) that Bushmaster is going to be little more than a pop gun distraction and you have bigger things to worry about if that turret starts to turn towards you.
Depends what part of the T-72 you can see. Want to go through the front upper plate or turret front? Yeah, proabably not. Want to go through the side of the hull or turret? Depending on what ammo you have available, the range, and how close to perpendicular the tank is to your axis of fire, could be super easy, barely an incovenience
Fire enough rounds and he may have a hard time seeing you if you can damage vision blocks, sights etc. Also you're in an ifv and you have a 125mm aimed at you. Pee in their direction really hard, it might help.
Take out your cv90 with the intigrated spike missile system from your back-pocket 😀 , love all your videos greatings from Sweden
What a fantastic video, I can say I really enjoyed the analysis of the situation using common terms like ‘Skiddadle’ and ‘joes’.
6) Breakout VR racing drone with RPG warhead attached and go tank hunting!
7) Verify functionality of IFV reverse speed.
I think I've just learned more in 13 minutes than I have in my 2 years in the Army! Thanks Ryan McBeth!
Move > Shoot > Communicate. OCOKA - Observation and Fields of Fire, Cover and Concealment, Obstacles, Key Terrain, Avenues of Approach
A bird Colonel once told me: "Every attack plan is the same. Two up, One back, take the objective and eat your MRE's there after it is secured."
An old Cold Warrior and Desert Stormer.
You weren't a thief, you were an acquisitions specialist. I'd say you were MOS qualified for that, but you weren't a Cav Scout so you probably just had it as an ASI.
This was very fun to watch. I never served, but love reading and watching content like yours that recreates "real life" military situations, not the "made for tv" stuff. I enjoy your Substack (am a subscriber) analysis too. Glad you decided to start doing this, please keep it up.
Honestly, I think most soldiers with a bit of time in service under their belt would probably react and plan in much the same way for that hit. High probability of kill with the Jav from concealment is often your first go-to option if INFANTRY is the main thing you are. Even if it were someone from a different training background, I still think they'd probably come to the same or very similar plan to what you presented here based on the scenario and knowledge of your own and your enemy's capabilities.
Great video. My favorite part is the role of the “scrounger”. Always a very important part of life in the military.
Great video. One thought came to my mind though:
_If I need to watch a UA-cam video to learn how to fight a _*_tank..._*_ Maybe I should choose something else to fight?_
Ryan, I loved the video.
I have learned soooo much about thought processing ... Thank you, @Ryanmcbeth ! I know it's not something soldiers often appreciate (I mean humanities), but as a cognitive linguist, these are GOLD to me. I can help AI developers program computers to better understand you, and vice versa... Keep'em coming!! Please make this a series/ playlist!
Okay but what happened with the plan and the T72?!?!?! You can't leave me on a cliffhanger like this! I was so invested in the story lol
Hey Ryan, great video! Thanks for making Army decision making easier to understand
How did you teach while holding this PFC eyes wide open? front to rear, disappear
I love this practical application of experience and knowledge. You can learn a lot from a person who's been there.
Nice try, but I already know how a tank is destroyed. Our training video in the Finnish Defence Forces showed that when threatened by a T-72, an 81mm mortar platoon can take it out by firing a mortar shell directly into an open hatch on top of the turret.
Hey great video! Just to confirm the longest kill of an NLAW according to the British in Ukraine was 900m against T-72 ....maximum recommended range is 800m. Apparently in top down attack mode...
Reminds me of that British sniper who scored a kill at 2.4km, with a .338 Lapua that was supposed to have a maximum effective range of only 1.8km
Must be a Brit thing lol
Whatever the publically acknowleged ranges/stats for a given weapon are, there's usually a little shaved off due to manufacturers wanting to exceed the specs, even if only a little, to cover minor manufacturing flaws etc, and in some cases as a deliberate attempt to obsfucate the actual capability of a piece of kit. For instance, US CVs are usually quoted at being able to move at "30+ knots". Yeah, more like double that in ideal circumstances (freshly scraped bum, low weight carried, calm seas, wind at their stern), and even in more realistic circumstances, 50kts is a pretty reasonable projection. An NLAW being capable of 900m is pretty reasonable compared to that, surely
For an nlaw the way its guidance works a stationary target should I imagine greatly increase its range.
@@zyeborm especially somthing the size of a tank
@@StephenButlerOne size doesn't matter 😜 what I meant was nlaw from memory works (from the sound of it) by working out what rate the operator is rotating at to track the target then keeps that rate going as it flies (or something similar) which by virtue of maths means it'll head over the target.
But measuring a rate like that is hard, keeping it is hard. If the rate is 0 it gets easier, no tracking just fly straight.
How to fight a T-72: A Bradley, 3 rounds from it's chain gun and "we have lift off"
Maybe go for a mobility kill with the chain gun aiming at the tracks and then reverse it to get down entirely behind the hill, dismount, and send in the infantry to get on either end of the hill (not where you just fired from) with antitank missiles to verify it's at least immobilized and then finish it off?
That's a less sure and more dangerous plan
This announces the location and presence of the Bradley. This invites innitiative from enemy assets close by.
Time between shots is time for the enemy to react and retaliate. You want to be setup in a way, where you can launch another missilie as fast as possible, if the first one did not hit, or failed to produce the desired effect.
As an additional note, it is probably better to spread out before engaging. If the enemy spots you, and is able to shoot at you (or call for support / artillery), you are limiting the possible damages. Getting out quickly is also important. If the enemy can call out your location, there is a high chance of artillery fire, even after the enemy is eliminated.
Nice that you add issues for consideration that I don't believe the current Russian commander was ordered to avoid but possibly to engage like, civilians, culturally sensitive buildings or historical structures!
Love your insights!
Awesome video, I hope you do more like this. It gives a good glimpse into how militaries evaluate situations and problem solve.
honestly i dont know what i wouldve done, probably let my mates spread out a bit but still in sight and let them fire half of their anti tank assets at once, at the same time shooting the bradleys TOW and either confrim kill and run or following up with the gun and the other anti tank (if available) while the dismounts get back and then getting tf out
Love how you describe yourself as a guy who could get stuff you need by sweet talking or stealing whatever you need. I bet your crew liked service with you.
"C" is obviously just an unimportant hypothetical not really worth training for.
Proof - Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Laos, Cambodia...etc.
It was insightful to hear how you think through these situations. I'd love to hear more scenarios.
All these comments and nobody once commented saying as a avid player of warthunder it is my understanding that the weak spots are here and here and to always try to flank and attack from the sides but if impossible aim for the lower glacis
This was an awesome explanation and very thorough! Could you maybe do an explanation about the impacts of longer supply lines, due to moving them back, beyond range of precision weapons? Since the introduction of the HIMARS in Ukraine, I have been wondering how much impact this has, due to strain on the supply line itself, fuel consumption, wear and tear, fatigue of drivers etc.
Going to see a lot more sophisticated anti tank rockets on IFVs in the future ( I know some have them already)
BTW it's not that unusual to see lone tanks in this conflict, they are often brought up to destroy buildings or as direct fire artillery support, the ukrainians do the same thing.
My priority in a situation like you describe where you are unseen and have a bit of time is to inform all friendlies in the area about the tank. Then I'd probably go with your plan using javelins/NLAWs but fire all at once then get up a smokescreen and move carefully looking for other opposition whilst still firing on the tanks turret with the autocanon
It's not unusual to see those, because it's all you guys get shown on social media, often enough even just an arleady ruined tanked they shoot at for a PR video.
And even the real 'victories' are made somewhere far beside the frontlines, so overall just a pointless death that got zero impact on the war. When you want to win a war, you must destroy the enemies main fighting force. To just pick up some guys at the corners won't bring you far.
@@miriamweller812 I've been there myself.
And no, dealing with the opposition recon forces is a key part of defence.
@@miriamweller812 😂 tell us you’ve never served in any military without telling us you’ve never served a darn day in uniform eh? 🙄🤦🏼♂️
You are really good with the story telling, you should volunteer to read with kids at school. It is fun and seeing a 3rd grader learn to read and get excited to see you come in the school is fun. Story telling reading helps young boys a ton.
Very wonderful breakdown of how to plan and execute an unexpected engagement
While the Chieftain describes being in a tank that's hit with AT as an 'emotionally significant event', what Ryan McBeth is proposing is more like the 'Get a hold of yourself' scene from Airplane.
Hey Ryan. Can you do a video on training tank crews? Just wondering how long it will take to train these Ukrainian crews for the new tanks they have. Sending Bradley’s, Leopards and Challengers is one thing, but surely it will take several months of training for the tank crews to become an effective fighting unit?
Not just the training but the logistical challenge of Ukraine receiving 3 different vehicle types from 3 different countries. I'm sure Ukrainian tankers are loving getting the new equipment, the logistics officers not so much.
It will be quicker than the standard training courses, which makes sense if you think about it.
1) Many of those being trained aren't being trained on *doing the job* of tank crew/armoured infantry, just how to use the new equipment
2) They are super motivated. You won't have the normal issues of squaddies being squaddies and dicking around, complaining if they don't get weekends off/working past 4pm, not doing the reading up before attending a training session etc. These trainees are going back to a live war, for the future of their nation. They WILL be paying attention
3) The course content can probably be cut down, quite a bit in some cases. They aren't needing to be trained to meet a NATO MOS standard, including all the fluff that various armies have put in to satisfy peacetime only and/or political objectives; they need to know how to fight the vehicles, and nothing else
They are getting many hours on simulators as the real hardware gets shipped in. Plus its a case of getting "time on type" and understanding the capabilities with experienced crew, rather than training from scratch. There's ever chance some of them have been having a sneaky go already
Ryan needs to rank up. Battlefield commission. 🐺
From Wikipedia Battle of 73 Easting " McMaster sent a scout platoon of two Bradleys north to regain contact with Troop G. In doing that the scout platoon encountered another Iraqi tank position of thirteen T-72s. The lightly armored Bradleys, each equipped only with a 25-mm cannon and two TOW missiles, are intended for reconnaissance, not direct engagement with armored tanks. Despite a misfire, and having to reload the launchers in the face of the enemy, the two Bradleys destroyed 5 tanks before help arrived"
"But the Iraqis were using export models!" /s
If the NLAW in top attack mode can knock out current T-72 models, you bet your ass that the modern top attack TOWs can do the same
@@92Psyco pretty much any tank gets destroyed from an attack on the roof, im not sure about the TOW's those Bradley's used so if they're not top attack it very much matters that those were export tanks because they could've had more and better armor
@@start2957 Top attack TOWs were already in service by 1991, not sure how many were used in Iraq, or the share of overall armour kills they were responsible for tho
@@92Psyco No, the Iraqis used rusty crap in comparison and had half their country and 90% of their army destroyed by carpet bombing, before such scenarios, kid. What by the way also killed tenthousands civilians, more civilians than soldiers.
We talk about over 100.000 sorties and around 90.000 tons of bombs dropped on the country, obliterating military and civil infrastructure before even one soldier set foot on the ground in Iraq..
This was followed by brutal artillery bombardement of just as many attacks.
This was followed by a gigantic role of combined armed forces, including A-10, which alone destroyed around 900 tanks, and over 2000 armored vehicles and ~1200 artillery.
They idea, to just take a Bradley out of this situation and that this pile of old crap could work just as well on its own as with this gigantic slaughter is simply ridiculous. The majority of Iraws tanks were T-55 anyway, with the T-72 without pretty much anything what you find in and on a Russian one today. The Iraqi T-72 Lion got an effective firing range of around 1800m - plus all the other problems on top of that, combing from the collaps of the infrastructure, communication and so on. Russian T-72 got a firing range of 3000-5000m and that's just the range difference of the gun alone, what alone is already massive.
@@start2957 T-72's without ERA like the Iraqi ones got easily destroyed by standard TOW-2 missiles, no need for top attack.
This is a great video, I'd love to see more like this. Keep up the great work!
Geopol / IR specialist (and civilian) speaking: these micro-level tactical considerations/variables in a hypothetical scenario are very valuable (to appreciate command in real time). More please!