Dragon*Con 2017 Transformers vs. GoBots RetroBlasting Panel
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- RetroBlasting and the American Sci-Fi Classics Track at Dragon*Con 2017 attempt to end the ultimate 80s grudge match: Transformers vs. GoBots in this complete presentation!
#RetroBlasting #Transformers #GoBots
Very cool seeing how the gobots blended in so perfectly with the hot wheels toys!
Great, fun presentation. Most of us Transformers fans know the Japanese toy history but the GoBots info was fascinating. You guys rock!
Optimus Prime cartoons voice is iconic. I remember hearing it for the 1st time & being in awe.
Peter Cullen GOAT
My family was a poor so Transformers was a bit out of our price range. I was more of a Masters of the Universe kid. Thankfully I lived in a neighborhood full of kids who let me play with their Transformers.
I always find it amazing that no matter how many decades I am a fan and collector, researching and absorbing, there's always more cool history to learn. Thanks for this.
WishItWas1984. yep
Was really glad to see the turn out for the panel. You guys really put in a lot of work doing these and deserve the recognition.
Outstanding panel, guys!
I wish I could have been there.
Keep up the great work! 😊👍👍
This is why I love Sundays now. Its like waking up on a Saturday morning to watch my favorite cartoons. =)
Another packed room guys, congratulations on another great panel!
This is one of my favorite Retroblasting features yet! I've been dying for someone to go deeper into the history of the Diaclone company.
To be fair to G1 Transformers, before Arcee, the show did introduce female transformers in one episode still fighting on Cybertron whose design was similar to Arcee's and they were supposed to be the love interests of the "guys" who left. Elita One was Optimus Prime's girlfriend and in the mythology was rebuilt with a mesh-up of Prime's parts when they were both first damaged by Megatron when Prime was still Orion Pax. For some strange reason, after one episode these girl transformers never if rarely ever showed up again (Elita was shown in a Prime origins episode).
@ANTS ON MY WIENER actually one of the writers wanted to add her because his daughter liked transformers
What a fun video and very informational. I was a Gobot fan as a kid and I still prefer them over the Transformers.
Awesome panel, so glad someone did this comparison
So glad you mentioned how the Gobots blend in with the Hot Wheels. That was a HUGE plus for me as a kid. Even though I liked Transformers more, playing with Gobots was fun because of their size. I could fit a LOT in my pockets to take to school....I also did take my Optimus Prime to school and lost his hands. I threw my lunch in the garbage and forgot to take the hands off of the lunch tray and saw them fall in. :( Still have my Optimus though.
I know this is late and don’t know if you still have him or if you’ll read this or have already done so, but you could always go on eBay or check some local toy vendors at any flea market, antique toy mall, or retro shop or something just as close that may be near and look and/ or ask around for replacement hands given how more and more people have gotten into buying/ selling/ trading parts
As a kid I had Turbo (Hot Wheels sized). But always wanted Scooter. I love the Gobots.
Great sweet memories and I still have alot of them
This was great... there was one thing unmentioned though... a major factor in the enjoyment of the Transformers over the Go-Bots... the repeated-by-all-kids-who-played-with-them 'transforming' sound! On top of that, I can still recall Soundwave being a major pull at the time - almost to scale with an actual Walkman, and you could put transforming tapes inside him [mind blown!] Things like that and Optimus Prime coming with a cool trailer just made Transformers seem _cooler_ than Go-Bots. I also remember how much of a factor the rub symbols were at the time for making Transformers seem better than Go-Bots - little things like that can make a huge difference. And I think the overall branding was better.
Great video! As a kid, I was firmly in the Transformers camp. As an adult, with near zero interest in any of the fiction, I'm kind of neutral. I do think Puzzler was superior to any G1 combiner, by virtue of being self-contained and needing no easily misplaced accessories to combine. Only as an adult did I recognize how super-cool the Power Warrior / Power Suits were.
I really enjoyed this video you covered a lot of good points for both toy lines. I had toys from both of these toy lines. Great memories.
man some really annoying comments from the crowd. awesome job by this duo. learned a few things i didn't know
we do people keep forgetting about elita one and her team from the season 2 episode the search for alpha trion. Arcee was not the first female Autobots for Pete sake's why dose this miss information every time.
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You guys are Great! 😂 lots of interesting, and funny talk!!!
Thanks for posting this. I missed this panel and really wanted to see you guys always 5 things going on at the same time at Dragon Con. I did catch the G.I. Joe jumping the SHAC panel it was fantastic. Thanks guys.
Really awesome panel guys!! The movie was my first introduction to Transformers as a child, so I didn't have any prior attachment or expectations, but I can absolutely understand why you felt the way you did!! For me, now, I still love the 'movie crew' more than the 'arc crew', but it would probably be reversed if I had watched the series before the movie. (Also loved the Rock Lords movie as a kid!!) Anyway, fantastic work as always!!
As a kid who grew in the 80's I never really heard bad words against the Gobots, sure we all loved Transformers more but there was some Gobots love, it is when we got older that people really trashed the product and I do not get it. Gobots sure enough is not a better property but Transformers is flawed as a product too, looking back the original run of figures are mostly terrible. They are classics but the scaling and how they reference the cartoon kind of ruined them for me as I got older. I like them both and I collect both, there is room in my heart for all things Transformers and Gobots, though I do love Transformers more.
1980Triumph it's called retro -justification. Humans do it all the time.
True
There was a few key Gobots who made into the ranks of the Autobots and Decepticons in my play pattern. Flip Top the helicopter a cool design that after was part of all the strike teams (which usually included SideSwipe, Topspin Bluestreak and Brawn) as their eyes in the sky, and he could hold his copter blade like a cool cutting weapon. Dive Dive was kind of lame, but was the only submarine, so good for reporting from the ocean floor. Vamp was cool, and I used her as the Decepticons' Frankensteinian doctor. Leader One ironically was just a random jet that would fly in formation as a aerial bot but be shot down first to raise the dramatic stakes. I think the Commandrons from McDonald's got better roles in my Transformer adventures than Leader One did.
LOL, that is good, there is always room to include them. Surprisingly I never mixed them in play.
That trendy bashing happens all the time, often by people who had nothing to do with the stuff when it was new. It happens about Go-Bots, Pac-Man on Atari, Betamax, New Coke to name a few. I don't get why the appeal of compact Hot Wheels -sized/action figure-sized transforming figures can't be understood by so many. I would have liked to have seen the line flourish with more playsets.
Rock Lords = if you're bad, the Transformer Santa will bring you will be a lump of coal.
I had one, lol
Great quality video
So awesome, great to find people to laugh and remember all the fun times!!
Thank you
This video was so great! You two and your channel are hilarious and extremely niche entertaining! (And thorough! Tons of stuff you've said about Go-Bots & Transformers, I've always thought but never said out loud.) Thank you so much for this video!
Brilliant panel guys! I wasn't there but since I am a Transformers fan and collector I really liked this presentation by you guys!
Can't wait for what is coming next!
As a kid I wish I thought of mixing GoBots into my Matchbox/Hot Wheels sets. Great presentation guys!
Fantastic talk as usual! I'm always impressed by the level of research you put in and the quality of your work
MrArukimasu and that poster!
The ONLY excuse I could ever come up with with how the Transformers (Especially the Autobots) were so easily killed in the movie and not in the show was because throughout the first 2 seasons, the decepticons main objective was to find energon to win the war and get back to Cybertron and refuel it as well. So come the movie when the Decepticons won and took back Cybertron they were at 100% power form, where as the Autobots were still struggling for energy (Something Prime even mentioned as to why they cannot beat the Decepticons and why Autobot city which was a damn power generator for them was the main target by Megatron. In a way there is logic to that if in the show both parties were at say 50% and come the movie, they were 100% vs 60-70%.
That's pretty much how I always saw it. The Decepticons had a stronger position and more secure energy stockpiles, while the Autobots were running low. The Autobots couldn't stand up to a full power assault, and fell far more easily than we'd come to expect.
Exactly, which is what is said pretty much in the first 4 minutes of the movie and was explained in the first and second season what would happen if the decepticons won the war.
I saw the GoBots movie on cable TV. What a disaster. I did see the animated Transformers movie on the big screen on Labor Day 1986. The best of the bunch so far.
Well,this expands most available information from UA-cam about the toys being presented.How I love watching those japanese transformers commercial moreso to collect all these toys
What a great panel!! Really informative!
Yknow , I liked the Gobots & Transformers. I loved CyKill and Megatron. Primes death to me was a bonus as an 80s villian defeated his foe!
bigevilworldwide1 same here bro! The villians always had the best cast of characters! Sad shame about Galvatrons figure back then, but his current figures make up for it!
As a kid, I played every baddy on the playground from Shredder, Cobra Commander & Mumra, to Skeletor and of coarse...MEGATRON
this was great. loads of great info presented in a fun and interesting way. looking forward to the other vids.
I swear I will be at one of these someday!! This was a great presentation guys and thanks for the nostalgia hit by showing that picture of the Gnarleys (apologies if incorrectly spelt) but yeah I had the black one and I hadn't seen the furry guy in years. Anyway you were fantastic.
Probably the only PowerPoint to not put you to sleep.
Don't forget in Transformers, he Decepticons deviced a matter transferral machine that could bring objects from Earth to Cybertron, and little later they try to send back a transformer, for that they use Bumblebee as "volunteer" (who finally made it to turn back to Cybertron. And in a couple of episodes, somewhat the Decepticons manage to move Cybertron out of orbit until it comes close to Earth, causing cataclismical results on Earth due to the gravity pool, and in those episodes Starscream flies from Earth to Cybertron and back. It is after these episodes that you start to see new Autobots and Depecticons (you could say they travelled to Earth by that time). Also, in Marvel comics, they created a Dimensional Bridge so as to connect Cybertron with Earth, during this time some Autobots in Cybertron crossed that bridge to Earth, those were Blaster, Perceptor, Powerglide, Cosmos, Seaspray, Beachcomber, and Warpath.
Real excited to be able to watch this. Luchtime, Transformers, GoBots and RetroBlasting...not bad!
The name: Machine Robo sounds way cooler than GoBots or Transformers to me.
Soterion Coil Indeed, Machine Robo was better then both of those franchises
Gyro Robo was way cooler than the super lame Cop-Tor!
love your channel. always looking forward to new videos, wish there were more. thx!
+carmine just posted a new one
You guys did a great job and thanks for sharing your panel. Why is there always that one guy that thinks they can shout out and "discuss" their thoughts during presentations like this? It is so annoying and disrespectful. Like dude in front shut it and just sit back and enjoy; if they want participation they will ask for it.
this was another great,fun panel,i always look forward to them. i have maybe an odd opinion of go bots and transformers,i liked the go bot toys more because they were cheaper and easier to put them in their alt mode,but i liked the transformers cartoon more than those toys.
Thank you Michael and Melinda - it is great to see you back!
Why'd you say there was only one female robot in Transformers? They had an entire episode devoted to Nightbird, the ninja female robot Megatron had a crush on. Then they had the episode with Elita One, Chromia, Moonracer, and Firestar, plus two background female Autobots. They showed Ariel, Elita One's previous form in another episode. Then after season 2, in the TF the movie world, they added some Arcee clones and I think they had an ancient female with a crossbow named Beta.
Yeah also the initial reason for the lack of fembots was they were thought to be extinct, which Shockwave specifically mentions when he encounters them in the second season. Yes I know how geeky this comment is. =P
Great Video as always guys - informative and entertaining!
One set of Gobots that are worth mentioning are the ones put out by the fast food restaurant Wendy's. A lot of the toys themselves weren't as good like Guide Star, but at least they came with bios. I had a barber give me an unopened Guardian that turned into a jet when I lived in Edgewater, but I don't know where it is, and I don't remember the name. The fact that they came with bios is interesting because it's like the old G1 Transformers, except those had mottos and specs.
Timothy Ward Yes, that's the one.
For the record: I'm the kid that wanted the rock. I almost had all of them.
I wanted Shoe from Chinpokomon
Awesome presentation. You only forgot to mention that the GoBots universe and mythos has been officially part of Transformers since 1991...
Microman FTW. Great history lesson guys! I had always wondered about Gobots since I wasn't as educated about them.
Another awesome con panel. I have watched them all l, hope to someday get to see one in person. Great Job Melinda and Mike (sorry)Michael
It's amazing how they debate which is better between Gobots and Transformers the same way there's a debate between which is better between Star Trek and Star Wars. With Star Wars, you pretty much get movies; and a lot of times, when you read Star Wars comics, you won't get the same set of characters used repeatedly very often. Star Trek has had several TV series, and they're about to launch another one called Star Trek: Discovery.
Long time fan, I love your reviews on toys and your presentation was very informative. Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much!
RetroBlasting cool video but i HATE the name "gobots"....As someone who lives in ireland we got "robo machine" which was the original western release (as opposed to "machine robo") by bandai before tonka got their grubby little hands on the brand and released the "gobots".
RetroBlasting fantastic panel.you guys really know your stuff.just subbed to your yt channel. ☺👍
Very good panel. Pretty funny at some points & good explanation with everything. :)
Very good panel... I loved it
Your presentations rock! Really enjoyed the ninja one, too.
I always thought that crane transformation at the end was from the Transformers show...animation error...didn't know it was from the Gobots:Revenge of Kronos.....now I know...and knowing is half the battle......XD
You guys and gals are awesome as always.
Are you planning up upload the LIVE Q & A video you did? I do like to watch it again. :)
God Speed.
+Bart 'D Man 95 Lobby Wurkz live Q&A? When and where did this happen?
It happened when you guys were testing your equipment a few weeks ago. You were filming it live in the studio with the toys in the background. You even panned the camera to show you USS FLAG. :D I remember TEDDY RUBSKIN was watching too. :)
Or maybe that was in a parallel earth and my computer got the broadcast by accident. ^_^
It was so early in my timezone when you did it. I was almost dawn, the sun was just getting up. I was getting ready to go out for work. I forgot to turn off my computer. It could have been an awesome dream. hehehehehe
I thought Gobots were going to get torn apart but they actually were defended really well, you guys would make good defendant lawyers.
Scarecrow7 they left the tearing apart to Megatron
I like them. I never understood why some of our fans trash them. They did some stuff right and better then we did.
What a great panel, good catch on this dude.
very entertaining panel! thanks RB!
my allowance limited me to the gobots and the tf casstte tapes until my aunt won at the races and gave me $100 to go buy some toys. i immediately went out and got megatron, soundwave, and jazz. good times!
Great panel, great discussion.
I used to have a big collection of Go Bots. Not sure what happened to them. Many Years ago I sold all my childhood Joes and Transformers, but the Go-Bots where not amongst them. I may have gotten rid of them long before that or maybe... just maybe they are still hidden in the attic somewhere.
excellent stuff! An interesting cultural difference to me is how in Japan they were vehicles driven by humans rather than in the US the marketing departments making them sentient beings
I attended this one. It was awesome!!!!!
+TheKiman2 thanks for being there!
I liked both brands, and didn't compare them in a competitive jock kind of way. I could play with two lines, just like I could play with two of any other lines. I just stuck with Transformers beyond early 1985 because I became exposed to more of them with the cartoon series and toys my then-new friends had. That was kind of unfortunate, since the Go-Bot Command Center had a lot of play value.
Tr00peroid Gobots was the superior toyline but they had the worst ugly cartoon toy commercial..Shame Machine Robo wasn't created earlier instead of that disgustingly ugly Hanna Barbara hippie cartoon.
That cartoon wasn’t all bad to be honest. It was simply the lower quality development put into it (probably a result of lower funding with only one, maybe two stations airing the cartoon. Remember Cartoon Express on the USA channel?). The story and various themes were often rushed instead of being flushed out. The main focus for Hanna-Barbera were shows like the Jetson’s, Flintstones, and various others including the huge cross-over’s between those shows.
Awesome panel wish I was there I'm a huge tf fan
Back in the early eighties, in the UK, the Eagle Comic had a Robo Machine ( a UK release name of gobots) comic strip, one of those two page black and white strips that continued on for weeks and weeks to get a full story, it ended with many of them leaving in the command centre and then a giant Cy-Kil standing over a group of Humans making some Exposition about the coming of Zod ( Dinosaur headed Motor Tricyle guy)
Transformers were my favorite as a kid and I had many but my first transforming robot was a psycho super Gobot and I remember playing with it in school everyday.
The car that Psycho turns into comes from an episode of an anime called Space Adventure Cobra.
Hahaha. That Machine Men scan is mine. It's not of an American release. It's an Australian one. Also, the rock Lords picture was from an Australian catalog I scanned, too.
Great panel thanks for sharing
Nobody ever mentions that Hasbro get the GoBots license in the 2000's. The Megatron's minocon in the Armada series was called Leader 1 and in the recent IDW comics in the Megatron origin he fights Cy-kill in the arena and kill him.
The Transformers did beat out GoBots for their fiction. The Marvel comic first came out in May of 84 and the initial 4 issue mini series had been completed by the time cartoon debut.
There's only one Gobot I have that I know the whereabouts of and that I play with a lot, and that's Bug Bite.
God bless, Jason Scott Irelan
If I remember correctly, Gobots also had a little magazine you could subscribe to. That might not be saying much since Transformers had comic books but still as a kid I found it was something different and interesting. Ever since the '80s I haven't found any themes that are as good as Transformers and Gobots, Although LEGO Ninjago comes close. G.I.Joe has in my opinion the best all-around story and toyline but it didn't last for very long.
Dude! The Japanese Machine Robo commercial is absolutely Bad Ass! I already loved Gobots as a young child but if I had seen a commercial like the Japanese one I would’ve said, screw Transformers, Gobots are the way to go! What I always loved about the Gobots was that even though they were much simpler in design and not nearly as large as some of the Transformers, they were much more aesthetically pleasing to look at due to them being the same size scale. Because of their uniformity the toy line offered play sets and other options that allowed you to play with them in different varieties that the Transformers simply didn’t offer. I feel like The Gobots were treated a lot more like an action figure line and like most action figures that were in that 3 and 3/4 scale Meant that their smaller size made them cheaper to buy which in turn made them much easier to collect. During the Gobots high point, I didn’t have as much pocket money and so when I did have a few extra bucks to spend on a toy, the Gobots were there for me. Those were some of the reasons as to why I really love this toy line.
The main reason a lot of the original transformers were killed off in the movie was because Hasbro was discontinuing the 84 toy line.
I'm still ticked off that they killed WheelJack off. BOOO!!
Oh I agree with you.
Also, I do have the theory that the licencing on the real vehicles because of the success of the cartoon was getting higher due to this, e.g car companies seeing how much money they were making wanted a bigger piece of the pie so to speak.
and today, hasbro, takara and too many 3rd party companies to count, not to mention knock off companies are making masterpiece versions of the original transformers toy line. it's a great time to be an adult collector
I read years ago on a GI Joe website (I don't know if it still exists - I can't find it) that the GI Joe movie was in earlier production and the writers of that film had decided to kill of Duke, since the figure was being discontinued and they wanted to show the consequences of war. However, the people at Hasbro loved the idea of killing off a character so they decided to tell the writers of the Transformers movie to do the same to Optimus. We all know how that worked out. And Duke didn't die. Huzzah.
Great job guys also I would love to see you guys review the machine robo anime someday
I wasn't interested in GoBots/Transformers in the past, and won't be in the future, but the video is really interesting for the background and history of the franchise. Guess it's really thoroughly researched (that's what RB is known for).
I had Nugget from the Rock Lords line.
funny and informative. great presentation
I knew a kid who was Coptor every Halloween for 3 or 4 years. As weird as it is to be the same thing every year it's stranger that it was a Go-Bot. Also "all the nerds in the room" as if there's anyone there or us here who aren't😉
awesome panel, very cool!
I audibly laughed at the #harambe joke. Great video as always!
Timothy Ward D**ks out for Harambe!
This was such an easy watch, those 48 minutes just flew by! I could have listened to you guys talk for 48 more. I just can't say enough good things about your channel, keep up the great work! Can we look forward to any more panel videos in the future? ^
just so you know theirs this 18" or 22" robot from 1985 from matchbox called cargantua: monster of the freeways. its a playset for the matchbox cars, so it would make a great playset for your gobots
Great panel guys!
Great panel discussion!
comments are for youtube, not when a Presentation going on. How rude interrupter guy!
Great panel discussion. Very informative and well-researched and well presented. One of the best videos you guys have released
What always seemed weird to me is that the aAtobus and Deceptions left Cybertron to find new energy sources because energy on Cybertron was almost all gone, yet they were inactive on earth for millions of years and Shockwave was back on cybertron ruling the planet and everything is in the same shape millions of years later as it was when the Arc left.
If you have ever seen something by Ann Summers called the Great American Challenge then certainly that last shot is very fitting to Challenge of the Gobots.
p.s I ain't explaining what Ann Summers is if anyone doesn't know.
Great panel, guys! :-D
I wish I could "like" all your videos a thousand times each and then a thousand more again. Once again, thanks for the nostalgia trip guys.
And...I saw Transformers: The Movie in the theaters...twice. I *Loved* it! Kind of makes sense that I'm a Game of Thrones/Song of Ice and Fire fan (since 1998), don't it? First time I saw Transformers: The Movie (on opening day) as soon as it was over I had to run out of the theater and call my friend and tell him the entire movie. You may think me mean for spoiling him, but this was the same friend who told me Darth Vader was Luke's father before I ever saw Empire. In the 80's, when it took years for them to come out on home video, sometimes the only way you got to "see" a movie is a scene by scene recap from someone else who saw it.
I also saw Gobots Rocklords in the theater. And I have the movie on DVD, transferred it myself from VHS.
ETA:
One last thing, have you ever transformed a G1 Prowl (or Blue Streak, or Smoke Screen)? Prowl was my first Transformer, and I guess it's good the animation transformation on Transformers wasn't as faithful to toys as the Gobots were in their cartoon, else it could have been as awkward as Crane Brain.
You guys are awesome.
LOL "The smurfette of Transforers."
There was an episode before the movie in Season 2 that introduced other female Autobots. (They never explained why there were different robot genders, though.)
skabcat242 yea Alita one and a band of female auto bots on cybertron
Yeah, and they never showed what happened to them after that episode. They had a habit of introducing elements and ideas that were never followed up on.
Jeff Jacobson You mean *sexes* ...google John Money, the creepy sociologist who came up with this word and his experiments with children....
Well the autobots were made for labor, so that include maids.
Once again a great video. Keep up the from the U.K