ND2 Miata MX-5 Track Review - [The Honest Truth from a Track Enthusiast]
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- Watch as 🇨🇦 Time Attack Champion gives a no BS Review of the Mazda ND2 Miata!
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Driver: @driven.by.jay
Owner: @mach.motorsport
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00:00 - Intro
00:52 - Jon's Motorsport Background
01:58 - Cabin Space
02:40 - First Few Laps
07:09 - Mis Shifting
08:55 - Miata Initial Thoughts, Set Up Advice
12:18 - Last 3 Laps
16:31 - Tire Pressures, Tire Roll Over Advice
17:12 - Is Miata The Answer? - Авто та транспорт
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The amount of laughter and joy is exactly why Mazda built this car. So glad that someone is seeing the body roll and motions not as a negative but as a positive to enjoy. Definitely not a perfect time attack car right out of the box but SO MUCH potential.
Absolutely!
Hopefully we’ll see this season how capable it is in OTA 😊
I’m simple. I see Miata content, I watch. To answer your question, ‘what is this thing?’, it’s fun. I also had fear of rolling mine at my track at first but you eventually get used to it. I love my ND2 and can’t wait to get some good coilovers and alignment on it.
I put on ohlins and everything changed in better
@@lucianolucidi8624 coilovers are on the list of course but first tires. I had an ND1 club that had sway bars and it definitely helped a lot. This time I’m going for coilovers before sways.
@@VictorPitstop as street tyres i got new Michelin pilot sport 5.
@@lucianolucidi8624 i wanted pilot sport 5s but im afraid it might be to much grip, i love the playful rear end.
@@fahmidnd2 in Italy the PS5s are not available yet. I guess they are great like ore more than the 4s. If you like the rear to dance you can put on any tyres then. My ND with ohlins and pilot sport 5 is super planted.
I have a ‘19 with the Brembos, Bilsteins etc. My first track day was similarly “entertaining”.
I solved the sloppy/floppy suspension by swapping in Good-win Racing Roadster Sport Springs (street/track). They work perfectly with the Bilsteins. The ride is still fine. They Lowered it maybe 1/2” so still streetable but goodbye suspension slop!
They also transformed the handling on the track. I added adjustable Karcepts anti-roll bars to further tune and balance the suspension.
I also experienced the shifter vagueness. It was solved by adding the JBR differential mount. After that shifting under maximum load did not effect the precision of the shift lever.
I finally replaced the front Brembo rotors with larger discs. The Brembos are not up to heavy duty track use and the car goes into ICE mode requiring massive effort to slow down (even using racing brake fluid).
Adding 245 width sticky tires was the final touch. The car now turns times equal to the Civic Type R that it replaced(And the Civic was on even bigger sticky track tires).
Nice, thanks for sharing your experience with the track upgrades.
245/ 40/17 ??
Yes, Bridgestone RE1’s on Titan 17x9 wheels.
Did you try switching to a more track-focused pad before upgrading the brakes? I'm not a big fan of the brembos from a fitment standpoint but I'm surprised they ended up being a weak point for you given how many people run these hard on autocross/track days with just a pad upgrade. My first two mods were the same as yours, btw, (well very similar, I went with the FM springs and koni dampeners). Karcepts sway bar is absolutely the best thing I ever did to this car and well worth the extra $ over other options.
@@jgalt99 Not original commenter, but I can believe it. I’m running OEM brembo rotors + standard calipers + racing pads + dot 4 + RE71RS. The amount of force required to get to threshold at high speed is very high for me. It does stop and the fade is pretty manageable but it just doesn’t inspire confidence to push braking zones on the high speed stuff when I gotta put all my strength into the pedal initially. Below 90 it’s totally fine.
Trying a more aggressive pad next. Otherwise will probably go up to a willwood kit or something. Just been avoiding that since then I have to run STR in autox which will tempt me to make many more mods.
Also possible I’ve just skipped too many leg days 😅
Your passion shines through in every review… just so entertaining to watch 😂
Yet another great video and great driving example! Keep it up Jay!
3rd gear can be kinda tricky to get into as the drivetrain twists and moves under load. I have delrin bushings on the diff mount and it helps a bit.
Thanks for making me feel just a bit better about all my mis shifts 😂.
Awesome Video! 🔥 Thanks Jay for the fun review and it was a pleasure doing this video together 🤝🏼 I’m still blown away with no seat time and mis-shifts how fast you are… Man is a machine folks!!! 🏎️💨
What an animal @driverspaddock ...
Thanks for letting me review your car! Can’t wait to see it with all the mods you have planned!
Great fun honest review and thoughts! 😆 hope you get to try a ND2/ND3 with Xidas soon
I already know… on Xidas… it would BLOW ME AWAY. The chassis is so good, would shine with good suspension
Buddy, time to sell the TT CUP, you get the news? Spec Miata is coming to Canada. We need guys like you on grid. Congrats on 2023 by the way!
Funny you say this… I may gear up for Miata cup in 2025… I’m committed to the TT Cup this year, and will see how the first year of Miata Cup goes! Perhaps I get the m2 ready for CASC sprints… we’ll see. Stay tuned 😉
0:18 absolutely not a “tomato tomato moment” wtf I’ve never heard someone call the Miata this way before 😂😂💀
A couple of my Hispanic friends may have said something close to that word as a nickname for mine.... 💀😂
Myata. As in ‘my Miata’ 😂
How are you literally sliding everywhere all the time? It's the most entertaining thing to watch. Subbed...
Haha he’s the Carlos Sainz of the North! Smooth Operator
I always wanted to try an ND on track. good video!
How inspiring! I have the same car except it’s the GT RF. I can’t wait to track this beautiful thing for the 1st time this summer.
Have fun! You most certainly will!
Just keep in mind for serious track goers:
The RF does not have a SCCA/NASA approved roll bar that also allows the retractable roof to function.
Thanks for this comment. You’re totally right. This car is getting a roll bar installed… and yes… the automatic roof won’t work after that, a shame. Hope a solution comes out soon.
Yes, you’re right. I’ll be fitting a Flyin Miata/HardDog bar in it for competition use
@@MachMotorsport RF owner said that you can't open the roof with that roll bar installed. Don't know if that was the truth but I have a soft top.
@@ag4allgood Yes, with the HardDog Flyin Miata version this is true
Love it! The screams OMG lol
Upgrade the sway bars and mid chassis brace and you will see a significant difference in the body roll.
Can confirm Xida coilovers transform this car. I run touring spring rates on my ND2 club and RE71RS on stock wheels. It is FAST for how soft it is. Alignment, tires and suspension get the steering feel back.
Your mis-shifting was the answer to whether the ND Miata's need bucket seats or not.
I wish I could affect 2 cars so I could have a ND2. I had a NA MX5 that was fun once upto speed but frustrating to get there. The ND2 has finally fixed power and is so gorgeous. Love my 22 BRZ but since I don’t have a track to play on only mountain roads, the ND2 RF would be my 1st choice.
As the owner and racer of one of Australia's fastest R34GTR's with over 500awkw, the Miata MX5 is still a nicer chassis and better balanced car.
I missed my NA clubman soooo much when I sold it, I just bought back into a NB MSM in mint condition and it is going to receive only the best parts in this build and should beat my old GTR for lap times 😉
I'm also in the GTA and looking at getting a toy for the track. I see the ND in the video does not have a rollbar. Do you know which tracks near Toronto (TMP, Shannonville, Mosport) require a rollbar for the ND?
It depends on the organizer. The group I race with, Raser, doesn't require a rollbar
Anybody know if the RF would need a rollbar to compete in NASA HPDE or Time trials? I remember seeing that if you want to track an ND, it's better to get the soft top.
Edit: Just found the answer in the comment section lol
I'm confused when you're getting these videos done... We have 1 sunny day every 2 weeks... it SNOWED yesterday ?? what kind of deal are you striking with mother nature to make these happen ?
What have you done to your BRZ? Any reliability mods for the track ? Would love to see the progression of your personal car.
Video on that car coming soon!
When going from 4th to 3rd, you need to just push forward with zero push to the right. It's the same as going from 2nd to 3rd, just push forward. 5th is actually the only time to push to the right.
Not sure how the differential has to keep up with you, you are the driver you work with what you have
Absolutely, you’re right. It’s why I needed to slightly blend off the throttle on exit even though the tires should have had it in them to push the car out. The inside wheel spins for two reasons… could use a better diff and second, the body roll unloading the inside tire. Doesn’t change the fact that the differential is not keeping up with the rest of the car.. the current limiting factor on corner exit, in stock form.
Agree the car is under-damped coz the vertical stiffness is slightly too much. If u see the size of the anti-roll bars u’d understand Mazda deliberately set up this car to have body roll like the 80s original n exaggerate the driving sensation.
Sooo should I just add one(to replace the Elise) to my F87 LCI instead of swapping it for a 982 GTS 2.5 or 991.2 Carrera T or AMG GT or sumtin? I almost buy a Miata Fiata every time I try one.
Don't get the Fiat - it is VERY different with that engine and transmission. I know its crazy since its the same platform but Mazda tuned this very differently.
@@KevinWong_BRZ why not? The abarth seemed pretty decent with less floppy suspension setup and better weighted inputs. Also more powerful at high elevation thanks to the turbo, but also more nose heavy and less playful because that turbo engine is not the lightest. Definitely felt better than nd1, nd2 got closer.
It is so strange to watch these non-east coast videos on the ND RF miata on track. That car, as it sits, is not able to be ran anywhere (ViR, Road Atlanta, Summit Point, AMP, CMP, etc). A rollbar is a REQUIREMENT at all those tracks AND you have to pass the brookstick test with today's super-padded helmets. There is also NOT an ND RF rollbar. :(
So, for that specific car, it is not the answer for HPDE or TNiA usage. Heck, even for Summit Point's Track Cross events, you can't take that car out there.
If you want to take ANY miata, get a tall roll bar, ditch the top and then you can take them out... but at that point, you might as well get a tintop if you want to DD it as well. :(
Agree. I've tracked on east coast and west coast. Despite what's written in the rulebook, they're definitely more lenient on the west coast. My last track day at Buttonwillow, nobody attempted to broomstick me with an s2000. There were also plenty of Miata drivers with their helmets extending over the broomstick line and nobody cared. Whether that's actually a good thing or not is another topic lol. It definitely made me think twice about sending it 😂
Thanks for chiming in… we have a few tracks on our end that are more lenient. However, at the big tracks like Canadian tire Motorsports Park GP and DDT, they are very strict on helmet, roll over protection, etc. Either way, this car is getting a roll cage put in… unfortunately making the retractable roof inoperable.
Side note…We actually had an RF rollover locally… no rollbar… driver was totally fine, but that’s not to say that RF’s should go without rollbars…
I guess these are some of the reasons why I don’t already own a Miata and have a brz as one of the cars in my garage.
Cheers
13:06 Lots of Oil on Turn2, oily slicks on grass, can’t turn can’t brake just let it go where it wants to go😂 (not going back on track)
Explanation for the mis-shifts, coz this car is originally designed as an RHD 🤣
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Body roll doesn't affect weight transfer :) Anyway it looked really fun even if it was floppy :)
13:18 Almost full lock counter steer the car still wants to go back on the track😂😂😂 nothing I can do with oily tire on grass
Anyone else disappointed with how the ND2 fared on track? Between the mis-shifts, soft suspension, ridiculous tire shoulder wear, diff issues, vague steering feel and overall slow times (4-5 seconds slower than a gen 2 BRZ), this car didnt really impress me. As far as JDM convertibles go, s2000 seems like the better answer.
Don’t be! Mis shifts is a me problem, keep in mind I get 6-8 laps in the car. The soft suspension is super fun at 7-8 10ths! Yes… at 10/10ths it leaves something to be desired and there is tons of lean and tire rollover but that can be fixed with coilovers. The nd2 won’t impress you performance wise out of the box… the lap times aren’t impressive…but you’ll have tons of fun and you just know… with proper set up and light mods… it’ll be a weapon….ill be reviewing a brz and an s2k shortly…stay tuned.
Thanks for watching…
@@DriversPaddockLooking forward to the reviews. I've tracked a mostly stock AP2 S2000 and 2nd gen BRZ, so I know how good (and closely matched) those cars are from the factory. It just surprises me how far off the ND2 is in handling and overall performance, even with the OEM upgrades. I also never had mis-shift issues with either of those cars. If you take requests, I'd like to see a review of ND2 with aftermarket coilovers. Curious how much that alone helps laptimes and overall feel of the car.
The owner of this car has all the parts ready to go… I’ll have another go at it when it’s done. Also, I have a gen 2 brz.. as for s200… I have a crazy 2200 pound 450 wheel turbo built motor one with mcs 2 way in the schedule.. does that count? 😂
@@DriversPaddockHaha I was thinking more of a stock-ish comparison but sure those sound fun as well.
Taking a stock Miata on track sounds absolutely horrible lol but suspension upgrade with swap bars and it becomes a track weapon
I gather there’s a lot of body roll….
Hes so dramatic
Shit tyres and old man suspension - now you know the before state - apply upgrades then try again.
Dude you can't drive a miata like that, uts a momentum car its like sailing you cant drive it like it has hp
I thought that was Jack from savage geese lol