@@TearMeOpenIBelievebut isn’t making your opponents make stupid moves controlling your ability to get voted out? Also, Candice just didn’t have any chance of winning.
@jr370113 I don't remember Parvati having anything to do with their stupidity. Hobbit Russell convinced Tyson to vote himself out, not Parv. I honestly don't remember why Candace flipped when she did and need to rewatch that episode. I guess you can stretch it and give her credit for charming lil Russell into saving her but that's also a major part of why the jury didn't want her winning
There's a potential logic there: In All Stars essentially everyone agreed that the winners would not be permitted to win again and a similar thing happened in Guatemala. I am almost certain that this was not Russel's thought process but it's not actually a terrible idea.
I think he had never seen survivor. Making an alliance with 2 winners, not caring about the social game, not watching sandra and parvati's seasons clearly.
To be fair he assumed he was a winner to since the vote for his first season had not happened and he has never gotten it through his head that being an Objectively Horrible person makes you a goat, not the GOAT
"I don't think it's about the money tonight. I think its about the title of Sole Survivor. That's all Russell wants and if that's what Russell wants that's what I gotta make sure Russell does not get...👑"
@@Alissandre_Iskander because sandra doesn't have a social game. She's literally sassy sandra for a reason. Only reason sandra won was because of Courtney who got the jurors to vote for sandra (after they were voted off i may add, so basically cheated). The reason Courtney voted for sandra was because sandra had kids (courtney said this in a interview)
One fun fact to note is that in an episode 3 secret scene its revealed that everyone thinks Randy is the one who hid the machete which is another factor as to why he got voted off over Parvati. Sandra and Parvati also kind of pregamed and had a "winners protect each other" mutual agreement so that was another factor. Randy didnt pregame whatsoever so that led to his downfall sadly.
Maybe they pregamed. But I think it’s more like Sandra and Parvati knew they are former winners and they’re shields for each other. Sandra said Randy went to her and said “We decided that Parvati should go home as she already won.” This freaked Sandra out because who were the “we” that decided to cut Parvati, while Sandra herself is a former winner. So she ran up to Parvati and told her about this, but Parvati already knew about that plan.
The fact that Russell thought that Parvati couldn’t win and was going to ride his coattails 😂 then to underestimate Sandra, another winner, was just silly. He really got into his own head
Parvati couldn’t win though, not because Russell would get more votes though, but because whoever she and Russell went up against in the final 3 (besides Danielle) would win the million
@duncan3932 That's exactly why Parv wanted to take Danielle to the end. And she would've gotten it had she not spill the beans about Her and Danielle being closer than Her and Russell
Regardless of who you were rooting for, this is probably the most iconic final three in Survivor history. If we think about the three elements of Survivor, Russell was the best strategic player, as he controlled nearly every vote. Parvati was the best physical player, as she won three immunity challenges late in the game. And Sandra was the best social player by a mile. More often than not, the best social player wins the jury vote because Survivor is fundamentally a social game. And Sandra rightfully won.
@@audacity1970 russell did think of the jury, Russell thought he beats parvatti and parvati was scared of sandra so in russells mind he beats Sandra too. He just miscalculated on Courtney being in panderosa and convincing everyone who were out of game to vote for sandra.
Courtney on the jury is hilarious. The way she is responding to the vote when Russel plays his idol and the vote isn’t for him is genius and hilarious.
What about when he acted generally surprised at the accusation that he pit Danielle and Parvati against each other. Courtney was like, are you serious?
The difference was that the villains sided with heroes in Australia and had there not been a juror removal which resulted in a final 3 instead of a final 2 Liz goes home at 4 and George we all know will never win a challenge so matt and Gerry take each other to the end Liz got VERY lucky
I'm all about people voting for the person they like to win. Because you have 26-39 days to play with all of those people and you still didn't make anyone like you??? That's on you
Rob staring off into space during the heroes tribal right after Tyson is voted off and trying to decipher what the hell just happened is one of the best moments of the season. Also I never get tired of hearing Courtney burying Russell.
I always thought that Parvati deserved to win because she had a better strategic game. But more and more I’m realizing that Survivor is a more of a social game. Parvati, IMO, was the superior strategic and physical player. Maybe if this was the final 3 today the jury would choose differently. But you can’t expect to win over a jury (bitter or not) if you haven’t made any relationships with the people on it.
i think parvati wins if jeri was there instead of sandra. sandra did a very good job building relationships with the jury and making them feel she gave them an opportunity to work with her and that they could've made the final had they done so which made them feel she was worthy of their vote.
That is very fair. Unfortunately for Parvati, literally everyone except for Russell had it in for her from day 1. Everyone was scared of her. Her #1 priority was threat management, and she handled that amazingly throughout. You're right that she didn't succeed at building relationships at the same time, which tbf would've been an enormous order. IMO her biggest mistake was not handling the Russell-Danielle fallout, as that cost her the game.
In my opinion, Parvati does deserve the win over Sandra. Not because she played a better social game and I truly do understand that is why Sandra did win and I'm not discrediting her that at all. However, the thing that would have sealed the win for me as a juror looking at Parvati's game is that she was legit a target at the very beginning of the game and that threat of Micronesia stuck with her the entire time and she still made it to the end. That alone would have probably swayed my vote and I think that if she could have angled her story that way and had someone on the jury who was persuasive enough to argue that point home she could have possibly won.
Now seeing what these all stars had deal with. (Russell) I think we need to some respect on Natalie's name, because she had to keep herself in his good graces knowing how crazy he was. Plus I think Natalie was more aware of the game than what the edit lead us to believe especially when she explains why she had to align with Russell. I think that she may shock the world if she plays again. You never know.
Sandra played one of the greatest social & strategic games of all time here. She managed to publicly fight against the dragon and its evil owner all season without ever being targeted by them. Parv epically failed in her strategy once she allowed the dragon to take down both Jerry and Danielle before Sandra. Jerri & Danielle were like the dragon’s pooper scoopers. The dragon owner can only win if she sits next to the nasty pet dragon and one of its pooper scoopers. Everyone in final 3 has to be complicit in order for the main evil mastermind to win. Otherwise, a virtuous game will always win. The only exceptions to this have been Wendell, a dragon that won over its owner because the pooper scooper had to cast a tie breaking vote, and final 2’s between dragon owner and dragon, where the dragon usually wins over its owner.
I will be honest, I never really knew why Sandra was considered a villain. To me, people who "tell it like it is" are to be commended and appreciated, and I feel the reason she won the game twice was because this quality of her personality made her easy to trust and too valuable as a potential ally to get rid of. When Rupert wanted her vote, she told him that if he could guarantee the numbers she would but that she couldn't do so otherwise, which is refreshingly honest by Survivor standards.
People love this season. More power to them. I'll admit great gameplay and iconic moments...but it's just hard for me to watch. Because Russel is just the most toxic player and I want to scream at the idiocy of the hero tribe. It's like going to see a movie and being like "that was an amazing movie...but I never want to watch it again because it was too dark and depressing."
If the other Villains had the chance to see the very first segment of the very first Samoa episode, the Heroes wouldn't have had the chance to learn anything about him.
I feel like the thing people tend to overlook, though, is that the heroes trusting Russell was a calculated move due to Parvati’s history. When they saw the men being picked off of the villains tribe, it was a reminder of Parvati and the Black Widow Brigade, where Parvati led a group of women to pick off the men. It looked to them like history repeating itself, and so they assumed that Parvati was the one pulling all the strings. What they failed to consider was that Russell was the puppet master this time, being able to hide perfectly behind perception of Parv, and that trusting him was the worst mistake they could have made. This poor read of what was happening is what led them all to their doom, especially when they didn’t listen to Sandra’s warnings. Then when they get to the final, and realise that Russell was the true villain all along, what they see is Parvati having been his lapdog and Sandra who stood against him, and how if they had listened to her, they could still have been in the game.
That juxtaposition of the opening credits against your voiceover (Main characters: Russell, sidekick: Parvati, comic relief: Coach and villains: JT) was hilarious. Well played, if it was intentional.
I’m sorry but Season 45 is overrated. Nicaragua gets hated on for 2 quitters but on rewatch it’s a fun train wreck of awful people and fools, S45’s rewatch value is mid
In the end, it mattered not how many times she failed. All of Sandra's weak suits ceased to be relevant and her strongest suit came into play. Conversely, it mattered not how many heads he racked up. All of Russell's strong suits became useless and his weakest suit came into play. "I'm not going to sit here and tell you what you want to hear, I'm gonna tell you the truth." And to someone who had to petition her own jury, even.
This is the exact type of thing that you show people who think that Russell is a good survivor player. He has plenty of skills in the game, but the flaws are not minor flaws, they are flaws so extreme that it destroys his game every time. His only chance to ever have won Survivor would have been if in Samoa he took Shambo instead of Natalie to the finals.
I am watching this as a guilty pleasure show after a long day at work. Thank you!! God bless. You’re doing the Lords work helping all of us take some time for self care and enjoy our hobbies and take our minds off our jobs or whatever else. Cheers and happy new year friend! Proverbs 17:17 Edit to add: i thought about the timing of this and also wanted to add, i threw that Bible verse in there because you are a great friend / brother; not any knock at Parvati. I’m an LGBTQIA+ friendly person. Woo 🎉💜👯♀️ happy to be watching this in her honor today! 🏳️🌈
You mention that Russell doesn't learn from his loss but he didn't know that he had lost at that point. I understand why he played a similar game given the lack of info he had
Yes and no. He was not sure of the vote, but I think he left that FTC being much more unsure about what he thought would be an easy clean sweep win. Given that he made no real attempt to change in his third appearance makes me think having a year off between seasons wouldnt have changed anything, and actually made it more likely that he goes home early because all the other players now would know who he is.
He is too selfish to learn it. He would have just behaved equally. At the end you still see him saying viewers should vote and think he will get viewers majority vote. This showed he did not learn anything. He was unlikeable and he doesn't get it. It's his personality. That doesn't change.
I don't know how anyone could leave that Samoa final tribal council and think Russel still had a chance of winning. Him leaving Samoa and thinking he had it in the bag really shows how bad of a social player he is. They told him point blank that he's not getting their vote and he didn't believe them.
I truly feel that Parvati should have won. I have always felt there was nothing she could have done different to be able to change the result. Never has someone been able to be public enemy number 1 like this and still get to the finals. I think that the jury didnt just like sandra, their egos were bruised by the fact that they wanted her out, they said they wanted her out, they planned it, and it still didnt work. Its one thing to be surprised because you underestimated someone, its another to be charmed and duped by them, its a complete other to try and try and try again and still have that person beat you. Thats just losing. Theres no "what if", you were just straight up bested. Parvati deserved the win, but she never had a chance of being able to get it.
Can't wait to see Parv and Sandra again. Can you make a video like this of their friendship and rivalry from HVV to Winners at War to The Traitors after its air?
WAIT lol, why didn't they cut to Amanda when Parv did her little point and face at 3:34? That was such a missed opportunity to show us her reaction especially if they were trying to have us believe early on that they'd come together at some point and be allies again. Also, I think it's interesting that Parv and Sandra's dynamic was so on display at the endgame but not in the early days of the tribe. I would've liked to see some more of them together, because I'm sure Parvati had like talked to Sandra about how she was only using Russell as essentially a meatshield at that point somewhere near the merge. Because I doubt the only thing stopping Sandra from flipping was Russell telling her about Candace. Because I find it weird that she would trust him with that. But then again, I guess we'll never know.
Having watched this season many times, Russell is not as good a Survivor player. Maybe it was the rose colored glasses of the day. He’s great TV. That doesn’t make a good Survivor player. He is a decent physical player, master manipulator with one of the worst social game; his delusions and illusions of grandeur were on par with Phillip. His one sided rivalries are comical. As much as I love Parvati, she wasn’t going to win this season. Like Janelle in Big Brother, she made no grand gestures to win over the folks who had it out for her. Though most of that acrimony toward her was not warranted and steeped in implicit bias (looking at you Jerri). She stuck with her crew and that was it. It worked on Fans versus favorites because the jury was comprised of her entire friend group. The biggest mistake both of them made was keeping Sandra. While physicality is not her strong suit, she is a master of honesty and relationship building, which I’ve noticed is really important in all returnee seasons, i.e. All Stars 1 and Second Chance.
i always felt sandra and candace started on the wrong tribes. candace flipped on yul and ozzy, how does that make her a hero (then goes on to flip on the heroes tribe later in the season and sink both her game and her tribe's again)? sandra was largely with rupert (hero) and against fairplay (villain) her initial season, then went on to beat scout in the final, the least deserving player to make the final until chris in edge of extinction. though her dirty play in the first challenge did kinda make sandra look villainous.
I heard that candace was like a late addition maybe? For Sandra, i think survivor production was counting anti-hero behavior as villonous for casting. Similar with courtney to some extent - they openly opposed and fought with the villains on their seasons, in non-heroic ways like cussing them out or talking a lot of smack. And Sandra also did the dumping-the-tribes-fish and letting her only ally left take the fall for it thing too
It’s always funny to me how the Heroes tribe consisted of One true hero in Rupert, who was just a big kid playing pirate. Maybe, Tom and Colby could also be considered heroes. But everyone else? No way. Especially the women, all 5 of those Hero women were villains.
I know you don't really do Big Brother videos, but seeing these really makes me wish you would do a deep dive video of Paul Abrahamian, the Russell Hantz of BB. Played back to back seasons and came runner up twice due to poor jury management.
Candice was a good final 3 for Russell actually. Because the heroes hated her. If there was any chance of Parv or Russell winning this season Candice probably shouldve been a part of it.
Oh Gawd I'm doing the Parvati laugh on cue. Very nice observation about Danielle and Parvati having great potential within their alliance. Trust your allies, but stay around around them.
Candace flipping makes sense. Other than Cirie they didn't treat her right, and outright wanted to send her home early before James. But they're mad she flipped?
When you get to the end and the jury loves you like this 1:19:21 and 1:20:10 and 1:22:25, you’ve played a truly flawless game. You got to the end with a jury that is lifting you up. That’s the gold standard of survivor game Play. Sandra is the queen and Queen stays queen.
Hey Once Upon an Island. Love your work. Question, if an all-returnee season represents an end of an era like the original All-Stars did in Survivor, then what would come next after “New Era” Survivor has its all-returnee season, presumably Season 50?
Great video. My only critique is not understanding why Russel might be scared of a possible final two around the one hour mark of the video when earlier in the vid you mention that Micronesia was fresh in everyone's minds. That season had a surprise final two which arguably cost Cirie the million.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Fair enough but you said it made sense for people to think there was a women's alliance based on Micronesia being fresh in their minds so I figured the same logic would apply to a possible final two. Though, I actually think what you said about Russel being jealous is a much more explanation. Parvati was hardcore flirting with Russel to maintain control over him and he was probably jealous of anyone who took her attention away from him.
The villains tribe was just far superior to the hero tribe. Found JT and Tom so overrated and it shows in this season. “Don’t ever trust women” comment by JT was very telling of his character. Sandra and Parvati are both just incredible this season in different ways.
I think russel had never seen survivor. Making an alliance with 2 winners, not caring about the social game, not watching sandra and parvati's seasons clearly. Saying that america should vote ?? He clearly hs no clue how this game is played
Russel is just such a hilariously useless narcissist. It’s fun to see him struggle to figure it out really. People think narcissists win. They don’t. This is why. I’ve seen it in real life. They break everyone’s lives apart, but the biggest loser is often them.
By Giving the Heroes an opportunity to play and they blowing it,, Sandra's name would keep coming up behind the scenes among the Heroes and since the final 3 are all Villians, to the Heroes, Sandra was the Heroe of the Story and so they gave her their vote. Parv's social flaw is that she gave up on trying to appease the Heroes by taking out Russel and Candice really hurt her with the Abusive relationship analogy. All Perv could have done to win it was to take out Russel. But then Perv was probably scared she couldn't survive without Russel.
Parvati and Sandra both deserved the title. They played a great game, Russell was entertaining but his attitude made people not want to root for him lol
Parv played a good game But her failure was allowing Sandra (technically a hero) to Get to final 3. The only way her strategy works is if she sits next to 2 villains. On the other hand, Sandra’s game was flawless.
Russel. Brilliant player. Social completely inept. The social game eventually decides if you get the 1 million coz as much as it's a game you cannot take people's feelings for granted. You're not playing with robots. If Russel understood that he'd win.
Parvati really played one hell of a game this season, especially given her threat level since the very beggining. And even with how everyone considered her to be the “most dangerous player” since the first minute they stepped on the island, she was only TWO votes away from becoming a first two time winner, which is just incredible. Parv really played from the position she could and as hard as she could, but it's simply hard to win survivor when most people around you are waiting impatiently for you to lose. This is no hate for Sandra or her game, just my opinion on why I’ll forever remain team Parv.
Sandra didn't deserve the win. I'll say it. Russel should've taken Jerri to the end, or hell someone like Candice. Parvotti played a brilliant strategic game, a solid physical game, and to be honest, not half bad of a social game when you add it all up and really she deserved the win. The hero tribe were a bunch of sore losers and I can't respect how they voted.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Yeh I don't think Russel had a way to win it with the way he treated the jury. He dug that hole too deep. But still would've been a better choice.
I think its more than being sore losers, its that they actively helped Russell with Sandra telling them Russell was bad news, and undercut Sandra every chance they could. Sure there was spite involved, but it was also recognizing that a person they actively destroyed the strategy of at every opportunity, still survived to the end.
Russel hat to take out Daniel and to do that He had to show Jerri that Keeping Daniel is bad news for Jerri and himself. Then Daniel said the Line that probably swayed Jerri in favor of Russel.
That's weird. I haven't changed anything in years with mid rolls. I believe UA-cam may be increasing their push on ads to get people to sign up for premium.
Parvatti saying Jerri is annoying and fake is the biggest irony hahahahahaha girl, take a look at yourself in the mirror, but she probably just say she is pretty if she does and thats it haha.
16:30 Coach being Coach, i.e. trying so desperately to steal other's spotlight, via whaterver drama or shenanigans are possible! This video isn't about you, dude! 😅
i havent watched survivor for years but every season, it's funny how people revert to cavemen mentality - women being intimidated by men and agreeably go with men's plans and not gang up to depose of russell and other men there that directs the game.
Sandra's delivery of "But I don't know about that" is one of the best moments in TV history
i'm a big fan of how both times she votes out rupert in the two seasons she plays with him, she correctly calls that he'll vote for her from the jury.
@@wfchannel4673she didn’t vote him out in Pearl Islands!
Sincerely agree 🥂
“He’s a stupid ass” and that one 👆🏻 are probably tied for my favorite survivor quotes of all time
I soooo feel you on the gold that is Sandra and her quote, “but i don’t know about that.”
I agree!
The fact that Parvati had one of the largest targets on her back in the history of the show since day one and she still made it to the end is crazy.
It's not like people didn't try to get her out. It's more than Russell never saw Parviti as a big threat lmao
Parvati was saved by the grace of Tyson and Candice's stupidity. She had like nothing to do with those saves either so idk if her game in hvv holds up
@@TearMeOpenIBelievebut isn’t making your opponents make stupid moves controlling your ability to get voted out? Also, Candice just didn’t have any chance of winning.
Parvati lost the moment Candice left, maybe Danielle if we’re being generous.
Her jury management and endgame are…pretty bad.
@jr370113 I don't remember Parvati having anything to do with their stupidity. Hobbit Russell convinced Tyson to vote himself out, not Parv. I honestly don't remember why Candace flipped when she did and need to rewatch that episode. I guess you can stretch it and give her credit for charming lil Russell into saving her but that's also a major part of why the jury didn't want her winning
Russell really showed us on this season how much playing Survivor can consume your mind
This is when he went back to back right? Pretty much no down time between seasons I can see how it happens
@@Jack-jx6ln6 days between seasons. Never left production camp, also had since Samoa’s vote hadn’t been revealed he assumed he was a Champ 😅
78 days back 2 back is just something else
Russel was thinking "Who can I beat in Final Tribal Council" and decided to take two former winners lol.
There's a potential logic there: In All Stars essentially everyone agreed that the winners would not be permitted to win again and a similar thing happened in Guatemala. I am almost certain that this was not Russel's thought process but it's not actually a terrible idea.
@vroomvroom2759randy is very socially aware and he was loyal to his alliance back in gabon
I think he had never seen survivor. Making an alliance with 2 winners, not caring about the social game, not watching sandra and parvati's seasons clearly.
I mean Sandra got dragged along and did nothing.... you're gonna tell me she deserved to win?
To be fair he assumed he was a winner to since the vote for his first season had not happened and he has never gotten it through his head that being an Objectively Horrible person makes you a goat, not the GOAT
I have never watched a single episode of Survivor, and yet I'm absolutely addicted to these recaps; please never stop making them.
The show is infinitely better than any video about it.
@@OnceUponAnIsland I don't live in the US :/
@@mayfriend2959there are ways my friend, haha. A few Survivor gps on FB and Reddit will lead you to the episode promise land.
@@mayfriend2959use a vpn or something there's gotta be a way for you to see it
@@mayfriend2959vpn my friend
"I don't think it's about the money tonight. I think its about the title of Sole Survivor. That's all Russell wants and if that's what Russell wants that's what I gotta make sure Russell does not get...👑"
Just in case anyone still trumpets the whole "he's the best!" thing.
...and thats the reason why Sandra's social game is unparalleled. She knows how to read people and takes advantage of it.
@@IcePhoenix34 One thing Russell _still_ doesn't know how to do.
@@IcePhoenix34 people love to downplay that for some reason.
@@Alissandre_Iskander because sandra doesn't have a social game. She's literally sassy sandra for a reason. Only reason sandra won was because of Courtney who got the jurors to vote for sandra (after they were voted off i may add, so basically cheated). The reason Courtney voted for sandra was because sandra had kids (courtney said this in a interview)
Oh god Russell is about to have an aneurysm when he sees you made another video about him and why he lost 😂
One fun fact to note is that in an episode 3 secret scene its revealed that everyone thinks Randy is the one who hid the machete which is another factor as to why he got voted off over Parvati.
Sandra and Parvati also kind of pregamed and had a "winners protect each other" mutual agreement so that was another factor. Randy didnt pregame whatsoever so that led to his downfall sadly.
Maybe they pregamed. But I think it’s more like Sandra and Parvati knew they are former winners and they’re shields for each other.
Sandra said Randy went to her and said “We decided that Parvati should go home as she already won.” This freaked Sandra out because who were the “we” that decided to cut Parvati, while Sandra herself is a former winner. So she ran up to Parvati and told her about this, but Parvati already knew about that plan.
The fact that Russell thought that Parvati couldn’t win and was going to ride his coattails 😂 then to underestimate Sandra, another winner, was just silly. He really got into his own head
Parvati couldn’t win though, not because Russell would get more votes though, but because whoever she and Russell went up against in the final 3 (besides Danielle) would win the million
@duncan3932 That's exactly why Parv wanted to take Danielle to the end. And she would've gotten it had she not spill the beans about Her and Danielle being closer than Her and Russell
I can't over how this is a Survivor legends season, and the one guy nobody knows just takes over the season and is in everyone's mind space.
Regardless of who you were rooting for, this is probably the most iconic final three in Survivor history. If we think about the three elements of Survivor, Russell was the best strategic player, as he controlled nearly every vote. Parvati was the best physical player, as she won three immunity challenges late in the game. And Sandra was the best social player by a mile. More often than not, the best social player wins the jury vote because Survivor is fundamentally a social game. And Sandra rightfully won.
Parvati was the best strategic, Russell never once thought about the jury, that's half the strategy right there
nah. parv is a better strategist than russell.
@@audacity1970 russell did think of the jury, Russell thought he beats parvatti and parvati was scared of sandra so in russells mind he beats Sandra too. He just miscalculated on Courtney being in panderosa and convincing everyone who were out of game to vote for sandra.
Courtney on the jury is hilarious. The way she is responding to the vote when Russel plays his idol and the vote isn’t for him is genius and hilarious.
What about when he acted generally surprised at the accusation that he pit Danielle and Parvati against each other. Courtney was like, are you serious?
“Like a therapist or school principal for example” not naming names or anything 😂
Can't spoil future seasons for those unaware lol
that clip of russell and coach doing the see-saw is one of my all time favorite small little extra/background clips.
I LOVE how both times on International Survivor they did a Heroes Vs Villains season, the villains dominated!
The difference was that the villains sided with heroes in Australia and had there not been a juror removal which resulted in a final 3 instead of a final 2 Liz goes home at 4 and George we all know will never win a challenge so matt and Gerry take each other to the end Liz got VERY lucky
I am so happy Liz won! She deserved it.
@@UnbreakableBloke I was mainly routing for George and Gerry once George got eliminated but Liz did well too.
I'm all about people voting for the person they like to win. Because you have 26-39 days to play with all of those people and you still didn't make anyone like you??? That's on you
Rob staring off into space during the heroes tribal right after Tyson is voted off and trying to decipher what the hell just happened is one of the best moments of the season. Also I never get tired of hearing Courtney burying Russell.
I always thought that Parvati deserved to win because she had a better strategic game. But more and more I’m realizing that Survivor is a more of a social game. Parvati, IMO, was the superior strategic and physical player. Maybe if this was the final 3 today the jury would choose differently. But you can’t expect to win over a jury (bitter or not) if you haven’t made any relationships with the people on it.
Just watch survivor Samoa that is a season that encapsulates what survivor is
i think parvati wins if jeri was there instead of sandra. sandra did a very good job building relationships with the jury and making them feel she gave them an opportunity to work with her and that they could've made the final had they done so which made them feel she was worthy of their vote.
That is very fair. Unfortunately for Parvati, literally everyone except for Russell had it in for her from day 1. Everyone was scared of her. Her #1 priority was threat management, and she handled that amazingly throughout. You're right that she didn't succeed at building relationships at the same time, which tbf would've been an enormous order. IMO her biggest mistake was not handling the Russell-Danielle fallout, as that cost her the game.
If Parvati orchestrated a blindside on Russell, all the heroes vote for her.
In my opinion, Parvati does deserve the win over Sandra. Not because she played a better social game and I truly do understand that is why Sandra did win and I'm not discrediting her that at all.
However, the thing that would have sealed the win for me as a juror looking at Parvati's game is that she was legit a target at the very beginning of the game and that threat of Micronesia stuck with her the entire time and she still made it to the end. That alone would have probably swayed my vote and I think that if she could have angled her story that way and had someone on the jury who was persuasive enough to argue that point home she could have possibly won.
Now seeing what these all stars had deal with. (Russell) I think we need to some respect on Natalie's name, because she had to keep herself in his good graces knowing how crazy he was. Plus I think Natalie was more aware of the game than what the edit lead us to believe especially when she explains why she had to align with Russell. I think that she may shock the world if she plays again. You never know.
Natalie demonstrated the exact skill set required by the Survivor experience. I see her having no trouble winning today.
Hands down the best season of Survivor ever
One of the greats fasho but survivor 2nd chance got it 🔥
Sandra played one of the greatest social & strategic games of all time here. She managed to publicly fight against the dragon and its evil owner all season without ever being targeted by them. Parv epically failed in her strategy once she allowed the dragon to take down both Jerry and Danielle before Sandra. Jerri & Danielle were like the dragon’s pooper scoopers. The dragon owner can only win if she sits next to the nasty pet dragon and one of its pooper scoopers. Everyone in final 3 has to be complicit in order for the main evil mastermind to win. Otherwise, a virtuous game will always win. The only exceptions to this have been Wendell, a dragon that won over its owner because the pooper scooper had to cast a tie breaking vote, and final 2’s between dragon owner and dragon, where the dragon usually wins over its owner.
I will be honest, I never really knew why Sandra was considered a villain. To me, people who "tell it like it is" are to be commended and appreciated, and I feel the reason she won the game twice was because this quality of her personality made her easy to trust and too valuable as a potential ally to get rid of. When Rupert wanted her vote, she told him that if he could guarantee the numbers she would but that she couldn't do so otherwise, which is refreshingly honest by Survivor standards.
I actually commend people who "hear it like it is" and "observe it like it is."
People love this season. More power to them. I'll admit great gameplay and iconic moments...but it's just hard for me to watch. Because Russel is just the most toxic player and I want to scream at the idiocy of the hero tribe.
It's like going to see a movie and being like "that was an amazing movie...but I never want to watch it again because it was too dark and depressing."
Ugh. Still Alice. Never ever again.
If the other Villains had the chance to see the very first segment of the very first Samoa episode, the Heroes wouldn't have had the chance to learn anything about him.
I feel like the thing people tend to overlook, though, is that the heroes trusting Russell was a calculated move due to Parvati’s history. When they saw the men being picked off of the villains tribe, it was a reminder of Parvati and the Black Widow Brigade, where Parvati led a group of women to pick off the men. It looked to them like history repeating itself, and so they assumed that Parvati was the one pulling all the strings. What they failed to consider was that Russell was the puppet master this time, being able to hide perfectly behind perception of Parv, and that trusting him was the worst mistake they could have made. This poor read of what was happening is what led them all to their doom, especially when they didn’t listen to Sandra’s warnings. Then when they get to the final, and realise that Russell was the true villain all along, what they see is Parvati having been his lapdog and Sandra who stood against him, and how if they had listened to her, they could still have been in the game.
That juxtaposition of the opening credits against your voiceover (Main characters: Russell, sidekick: Parvati, comic relief: Coach and villains: JT) was hilarious. Well played, if it was intentional.
Thanks, I do that in every story video.
Thank you SO much for all of the work you put into these videos! I love your content on this channel❤
Russell was 100% dumb by permitting the demise of Danielle, arguably the only person Parvati (or even him) could win against in the top 3.
Dumb for choosing to take out Courtney over Sandra, under the exact same Samoa variables where he chose Natalie over Liz.
Every time you talk about quitting you talk about the quitters from season 45 😂
I’m sorry but Season 45 is overrated. Nicaragua gets hated on for 2 quitters but on rewatch it’s a fun train wreck of awful people and fools, S45’s rewatch value is mid
In the end, it mattered not how many times she failed. All of Sandra's weak suits ceased to be relevant and her strongest suit came into play.
Conversely, it mattered not how many heads he racked up. All of Russell's strong suits became useless and his weakest suit came into play.
"I'm not going to sit here and tell you what you want to hear, I'm gonna tell you the truth." And to someone who had to petition her own jury, even.
I love how every comment on every Survivor vid is you just bashing Russell lmfao
This is the exact type of thing that you show people who think that Russell is a good survivor player. He has plenty of skills in the game, but the flaws are not minor flaws, they are flaws so extreme that it destroys his game every time. His only chance to ever have won Survivor would have been if in Samoa he took Shambo instead of Natalie to the finals.
Any of Jaison, Mick, Liz, and Shambo and he'd have it in the bag. Worst of all, Natalie W _knew_ it.
I always wondered if he Russel knew how bad he lost in Samoa if he’d change his social game.
Doubtful. He played a very similar early game in Redemption Island, and when he shown up for Australian Survivor.
Love these movie length vids. Thanks!
“A therapist, or a school principal…” 👀
I am watching this as a guilty pleasure show after a long day at work. Thank you!! God bless. You’re doing the Lords work helping all of us take some time for self care and enjoy our hobbies and take our minds off our jobs or whatever else. Cheers and happy new year friend! Proverbs 17:17
Edit to add: i thought about the timing of this and also wanted to add, i threw that Bible verse in there because you are a great friend / brother; not any knock at Parvati. I’m an LGBTQIA+ friendly person. Woo 🎉💜👯♀️ happy to be watching this in her honor today! 🏳️🌈
You mention that Russell doesn't learn from his loss but he didn't know that he had lost at that point. I understand why he played a similar game given the lack of info he had
Yes and no. He was not sure of the vote, but I think he left that FTC being much more unsure about what he thought would be an easy clean sweep win. Given that he made no real attempt to change in his third appearance makes me think having a year off between seasons wouldnt have changed anything, and actually made it more likely that he goes home early because all the other players now would know who he is.
It's understandable in HvV but with Redemption Island and the Aussie version of Survivor there's no excuse
He is too selfish to learn it. He would have just behaved equally. At the end you still see him saying viewers should vote and think he will get viewers majority vote. This showed he did not learn anything.
He was unlikeable and he doesn't get it. It's his personality. That doesn't change.
I don't know how anyone could leave that Samoa final tribal council and think Russel still had a chance of winning. Him leaving Samoa and thinking he had it in the bag really shows how bad of a social player he is. They told him point blank that he's not getting their vote and he didn't believe them.
This was put together so good!!! Really enjoyed it. Thumbs up 😊!
Such good commentary , hilarious
I truly feel that Parvati should have won. I have always felt there was nothing she could have done different to be able to change the result. Never has someone been able to be public enemy number 1 like this and still get to the finals. I think that the jury didnt just like sandra, their egos were bruised by the fact that they wanted her out, they said they wanted her out, they planned it, and it still didnt work. Its one thing to be surprised because you underestimated someone, its another to be charmed and duped by them, its a complete other to try and try and try again and still have that person beat you. Thats just losing. Theres no "what if", you were just straight up bested. Parvati deserved the win, but she never had a chance of being able to get it.
To this day Russell prob wakes up screaming in the middle of the night, after hearing Sandra in his dreams: "... but I don't know about thaaat". 😅
Queen Sandra.
Can't wait to see Parv and Sandra again. Can you make a video like this of their friendship and rivalry from HVV to Winners at War to The Traitors after its air?
Great idea! The patrons pick what videos I make.
Your season recaps are so so good
WAIT lol, why didn't they cut to Amanda when Parv did her little point and face at 3:34? That was such a missed opportunity to show us her reaction especially if they were trying to have us believe early on that they'd come together at some point and be allies again. Also, I think it's interesting that Parv and Sandra's dynamic was so on display at the endgame but not in the early days of the tribe. I would've liked to see some more of them together, because I'm sure Parvati had like talked to Sandra about how she was only using Russell as essentially a meatshield at that point somewhere near the merge. Because I doubt the only thing stopping Sandra from flipping was Russell telling her about Candace. Because I find it weird that she would trust him with that. But then again, I guess we'll never know.
Having watched this season many times, Russell is not as good a Survivor player. Maybe it was the rose colored glasses of the day. He’s great TV. That doesn’t make a good Survivor player. He is a decent physical player, master manipulator with one of the worst social game; his delusions and illusions of grandeur were on par with Phillip. His one sided rivalries are comical.
As much as I love Parvati, she wasn’t going to win this season. Like Janelle in Big Brother, she made no grand gestures to win over the folks who had it out for her. Though most of that acrimony toward her was not warranted and steeped in implicit bias (looking at you Jerri). She stuck with her crew and that was it. It worked on Fans versus favorites because the jury was comprised of her entire friend group.
The biggest mistake both of them made was keeping Sandra. While physicality is not her strong suit, she is a master of honesty and relationship building, which I’ve noticed is really important in all returnee seasons, i.e. All Stars 1 and Second Chance.
i always felt sandra and candace started on the wrong tribes. candace flipped on yul and ozzy, how does that make her a hero (then goes on to flip on the heroes tribe later in the season and sink both her game and her tribe's again)? sandra was largely with rupert (hero) and against fairplay (villain) her initial season, then went on to beat scout in the final, the least deserving player to make the final until chris in edge of extinction. though her dirty play in the first challenge did kinda make sandra look villainous.
I heard that candace was like a late addition maybe? For Sandra, i think survivor production was counting anti-hero behavior as villonous for casting. Similar with courtney to some extent - they openly opposed and fought with the villains on their seasons, in non-heroic ways like cussing them out or talking a lot of smack. And Sandra also did the dumping-the-tribes-fish and letting her only ally left take the fall for it thing too
It’s always funny to me how the Heroes tribe consisted of One true hero in Rupert, who was just a big kid playing pirate. Maybe, Tom and Colby could also be considered heroes. But everyone else? No way. Especially the women, all 5 of those Hero women were villains.
Sandra won by a strong majority, she's the best player of the game imo with a solid record against very tough casts of players.
I know you don't really do Big Brother videos, but seeing these really makes me wish you would do a deep dive video of Paul Abrahamian, the Russell Hantz of BB. Played back to back seasons and came runner up twice due to poor jury management.
Maybe Ethanimale would do that if you asked? I don't do BB anymore unless a Survivor is on it.
Candice was a good final 3 for Russell actually. Because the heroes hated her. If there was any chance of Parv or Russell winning this season Candice probably shouldve been a part of it.
You can thank the absolute worst bluff job in Survivor history for that.
Oh Gawd I'm doing the Parvati laugh on cue.
Very nice observation about Danielle and Parvati having great potential within their alliance. Trust your allies, but stay around around them.
Wow. This is a really well done video.
Sandra used vicious mockery on Coach. Lol
I still say that Tyson voting him self out was the dumbest move in survivor
Greatest dysfunctional trio in TV history.
Candace flipping makes sense. Other than Cirie they didn't treat her right, and outright wanted to send her home early before James. But they're mad she flipped?
The best final 3 we ever had
When you get to the end and the jury loves you like this 1:19:21 and 1:20:10 and 1:22:25, you’ve played a truly flawless game. You got to the end with a jury that is lifting you up. That’s the gold standard of survivor game
Play. Sandra is the queen and Queen stays queen.
Whether you agree with the teacher or not, the fact people are now making accounts to make fun of the girl is fucked up.
Parv is easily top 4 all time
Hey Once Upon an Island. Love your work.
Question, if an all-returnee season represents an end of an era like the original All-Stars did in Survivor, then what would come next after “New Era” Survivor has its all-returnee season, presumably Season 50?
17:43 love the knock at Hannah Rose and Sean Edwards
i love sandra so much
Lowkey, half the reason Sandra even won this time is because Russell is probably one of the worst players in survivor history.
Russell was my favourite just because he always hunted down the immunity idol and stuffed with people's plans but could never quite win 😂
God I love Sandra. Russell is a buffoon.
Courtney was/is not a villain.
Now need a review how Rob won over Russell next.
Here you go - ua-cam.com/video/Q0GwCupTQwE/v-deo.html
Great video. My only critique is not understanding why Russel might be scared of a possible final two around the one hour mark of the video when earlier in the vid you mention that Micronesia was fresh in everyone's minds. That season had a surprise final two which arguably cost Cirie the million.
He never said that, and I can't read his mind.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Fair enough but you said it made sense for people to think there was a women's alliance based on Micronesia being fresh in their minds so I figured the same logic would apply to a possible final two.
Though, I actually think what you said about Russel being jealous is a much more explanation. Parvati was hardcore flirting with Russel to maintain control over him and he was probably jealous of anyone who took her attention away from him.
You know, I like Courtney’s style, but I just have to say this:
33:56 “please sir, can I ‘ave some more?”
21:10 Russell should've known better when Parvati, emphatically, told him she doesn't ride coattails, baby. 😅
America needs a Heroes v Villians v Hustlers season
I’m just like Sandra in that I too will not shut up about Outback Steakhouse
The villains tribe was just far superior to the hero tribe. Found JT and Tom so overrated and it shows in this season. “Don’t ever trust women” comment by JT was very telling of his character. Sandra and Parvati are both just incredible this season in different ways.
good 1!!!
I think russel had never seen survivor. Making an alliance with 2 winners, not caring about the social game, not watching sandra and parvati's seasons clearly. Saying that america should vote ?? He clearly hs no clue how this game is played
love the sean diss
Russel is just such a hilariously useless narcissist. It’s fun to see him struggle to figure it out really.
People think narcissists win. They don’t. This is why. I’ve seen it in real life. They break everyone’s lives apart, but the biggest loser is often them.
By Giving the Heroes an opportunity to play and they blowing it,, Sandra's name would keep coming up behind the scenes among the Heroes and since the final 3 are all Villians, to the Heroes, Sandra was the Heroe of the Story and so they gave her their vote. Parv's social flaw is that she gave up on trying to appease the Heroes by taking out Russel and Candice really hurt her with the Abusive relationship analogy. All Perv could have done to win it was to take out Russel. But then Perv was probably scared she couldn't survive without Russel.
Parvati and Sandra both deserved the title. They played a great game, Russell was entertaining but his attitude made people not want to root for him lol
Parv played a good game
But her failure was allowing Sandra (technically a hero) to
Get to final 3. The only way her strategy works is if she sits next to 2 villains. On the other hand, Sandra’s game was flawless.
Russel. Brilliant player. Social completely inept. The social game eventually decides if you get the 1 million coz as much as it's a game you cannot take people's feelings for granted. You're not playing with robots. If Russel understood that he'd win.
I love how they hate Russell for playing the game better than them 😂
Boston Rob in Heroes Vs Villains was so hot lol
Of the Final Three in Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains, Sandra is the best and a true hero in this season.
I was rewatching season 32 as one does and on the final Jeff mentioned that you have to go full tilt buggy. I thought you would want to know this
Parvati really played one hell of a game this season, especially given her threat level since the very beggining. And even with how everyone considered her to be the “most dangerous player” since the first minute they stepped on the island, she was only TWO votes away from becoming a first two time winner, which is just incredible. Parv really played from the position she could and as hard as she could, but it's simply hard to win survivor when most people around you are waiting impatiently for you to lose. This is no hate for Sandra or her game, just my opinion on why I’ll forever remain team Parv.
Imagine if Tom stayed instead of a one legged James? No chance we'd see the same result
How many times has it happened where a juror has voted for a person twice?
Queen Sandraaaaaa
i have never been in infatuation like i have with parvati
Could you make a video but every single advantage
Great idea! The patrons pick what I make.
Sandra didn't deserve the win. I'll say it.
Russel should've taken Jerri to the end, or hell someone like Candice.
Parvotti played a brilliant strategic game, a solid physical game, and to be honest, not half bad of a social game when you add it all up and really she deserved the win.
The hero tribe were a bunch of sore losers and I can't respect how they voted.
Russell wasn't beating Jerri either.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Yeh I don't think Russel had a way to win it with the way he treated the jury. He dug that hole too deep. But still would've been a better choice.
I think its more than being sore losers, its that they actively helped Russell with Sandra telling them Russell was bad news, and undercut Sandra every chance they could. Sure there was spite involved, but it was also recognizing that a person they actively destroyed the strategy of at every opportunity, still survived to the end.
Rupert dropped the bag
Russel hat to take out Daniel and to do that He had to show Jerri that Keeping Daniel is bad news for Jerri and himself. Then Daniel said the Line that probably swayed Jerri in favor of Russel.
I liked coach he seemed grnuine
I love your channel but the amount of mid roll ads on these videos is getting insane.
That's weird. I haven't changed anything in years with mid rolls. I believe UA-cam may be increasing their push on ads to get people to sign up for premium.
Parvatti saying Jerri is annoying and fake is the biggest irony hahahahahaha girl, take a look at yourself in the mirror, but she probably just say she is pretty if she does and thats it haha.
lol how old are u
16:30 Coach being Coach, i.e. trying so desperately to steal other's spotlight, via whaterver drama or shenanigans are possible! This video isn't about you, dude! 😅
when will we get the dee story video 🥺
It will be on Patreon in the next week and a half, which is free to sign up for.
@@OnceUponAnIsland King 👑
i havent watched survivor for years but every season, it's funny how people revert to cavemen mentality - women being intimidated by men and agreeably go with men's plans and not gang up to depose of russell and other men there that directs the game.
Russell is one of the best players if the jury didn't vote 😂😂
Anyone can beat Russel
It’s still horrifying to me how the true queen of Survivor, Parvati isn’t a two time winner of Survivor