Why Doesn't Miscavige Write OT 9 & 10 Himself?
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- If L. Ron Hubbard didn't leave behind any clues about OT 9, 10 and beyond, why doesn't David Miscavige just come up with something himself to release as OT 9 and 10? I discuss the immense challenges to doing so.
Aaron Smith-Levin
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OT IX can only be administered by Miscaviage himself. You get taken to an exclusive cabin on the Freewinds. It's pitch black. Suddenly a light illuminates the center of the room. It's Miscaviage himself. You are finally ready for the next level of being-ness. You prepare yourself for initiation. Miscaviage looks upon you with all of his wisdom and love. When you can stand the anticipation no longer, he opens his mouth and says...
"I need about tree fidy."
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Very clever "monster" reference. 😂 But really, that's all of Scientology in a -nutshell- Loch Ness Monster. It keeps coming back because you give it money. Gotta stop giving it money and resist its efforts to dupe you out of your money to finally get the monster to leave. Unfortunately, he's going to keep you from getting near his other "donors" (aka your family and friends). He's a real D!€k.
@@GrowingUpInScientology why can’t he just groom someone to pretend to be the reincarnation of LRH?
@@prettyinpinky5937 Because then he'd no longer be #1.
DAMN YOU LOCKNESS MONSTA! WE WORK FOR OUR MONEY!
OT 9: "Lord Xenu strikes back". OT 10: "Return of the suppressive"
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Yassssss 🤪🤪🤪 love it!!
Leaving Scientology and investigating it thoroughly is an actual "OT" level in itself. Therein lies the "Truth Revealed". Good one.
It's a common problem in sci-fi/fantasy writing; letting the story get too broad and dying before the series is complete.
Agreed. IMHO, one of the greatest SF writers of all time Arthur C. Clark, could not come up with an good close to almost any of his stories.
THIS.
I’m starting to fear that George RR Martin will do this to GOT fans. 🤷🏽♀️🤔
OT 9 is an enigma wrapped in a mystery, inside of a hot dog bun.
With ketchup as a conundrum
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With broken glass and chili on top.
More like a lie and a con wrapped in a hotdog bun.
I know the answer to all of Miscavage's problems! He just needs a very _imaginative_ science fiction writer to finally make a breakthrough and write OT 9 and 10! 😂
Although you're making a joke, what you're saying is true. That's because OT Levels 0 to 8 were written by L Ron Hubbard who was both a science fiction writer and a con artist.
Truth
That was the joke.
A very average kinda hack Sci fi writer in truth
Are you?
I hope I live long enough to see Scientology fall in to ruins.
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Ah what a beautiful thing! To see Davey behind bars 😅
I just want them to lose their tax exemption that'd be sweet
@@skeetrix5577 YES
This is the first time I've actually understood why people join the SeaOrg and what the heck SO members do all day. If you're fully bought in, why wouldn't you want to spend all your time trying to audit BT's? And when your entire life is that, and everyone around you is doing that, and your family and friends are all people doing the same thing, I can see how getting out of it would not even cross someone's mind for many years. Makes me so sad for all of those people stuck in this fraudulent mess. Thank you for this, Aaron. I've been following you for years now and I appreciate how much I've learned from you!
Most Sea Org members never get near OT8 so would never even learn what a BT is. Their role is mainly servile in getting other people up the bridge.
Fellow Floridian here,
Just wanted to say thank you for running and keep doing what you are doing! Scientology can be relentless, and knowing that you must be doing through hell in back dealing with the harassment is such a brave and inspiring thing to do.
Don’t give up! 👍
Thank you so much!
I'm originally from Romania, leaving in London Uk since 2007. In my first year here my friends with whom I was staying took me to visit London and we passed scientology building. They speed walked in front of that building and they told me never to enter and never to speak with those people because they are a very bad cult and if they find out who you are they not stop harassing you, much worse than Jehova Witnesses (we have JW in Romania but never heard of scientology before). Probably my friends exaggerated especially because in all those years I've never meet a scientologist in London. After I saw Leah Remini interviews when she left scientology I became interested in finding out about this weird cult (sorry if saying that is offensive). I really appreciate your channel and what Leah Remini is doing and all the other people who speak up. Good luck in the elections, hope you win?
Thank you so much and thank you for watching and commenting! :)
It's a cult.
A lot of Scientologist don’t run around telling everyone they’re scientologists. You might’ve met them & didn’t know they were in it.
As much as I like your videos, I look forward to the day when Scientology gets totally destroyed and you don't have to do these anymore!
He needs to be sued
@@lisashapiro8497 Miscavige has too many lawyers. There's no way suing him would be effective.
Agreed! 😊
Yup won’t be long they shoot them selves in the foot, they can’t run a business properly and treat people like shit
Me too. Even if they never get their tax exemption revoked, do you guys think they would still be around in 20 years? I feel like the internet has to be absolutely damaging to recruiting.
OT 9 is when you're told we're all actually living in a simulation created by the BT's and, in order to continue, you have to buy the DLC and start paying a monthly subscription fee to continue playing the MMO you're trapped in.
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So sad!!!
No. Cheapskates are not welcome here. Leave.
If you don’t wait until the end of Aaron’s videos then you’re totally missing out. Always brings a little joy to my day.
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I agree, it does bring a little joy to my day too
Youre so right, I have no idea why we havent seen more mental breakdowns in scientology. I would love to see you talk about those who have had mental breakdowns and the psychology of how a cult like this does breaks you down mentally.
Aaron and the foundation aren't about that. You can find all the trash on Tony Ortega's site and his forum. he's a journalist who fights dirty to get informed. Former members who fight usually try to protect their own and understand . Ortega is all about destroying Scientology and he would throw anyone under the bus to do it. His site is a well of knowledge and gossip, the forum is toxic as hell. You want details, go there.
This level of insight is pure gold.
Thank you for watching and commenting!
David Miscavige won't write Oat Tea 9 and 10 because he can't; he's a barely-literate highschool dropout who can't wrap his mind around semicolons.
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Man, this is so convoluted that I am getting a headache just hearing about it 😢🤦
Thank you for watching and commenting :)
@@GrowingUpInScientology You and your team are doing a phenomenal job uploading and engaging with your online community. Kudos to you. If I lived in Clearwater, you'd have my vote. Happy to at least donate to the cause. 👌👍🙌
Thank you so much, I appreciate it more than I can say. :)
Another great video Aaron. For non-Scientology watchers this is really valuable stuff.
Just by mentally releasing yourself into this concept of body thetans i could see if someone who is walking the razors edge of sanity could become insane.
Does anyone except me wants to hear rock-n-roll songs? I been clicking on the guitar for a while now. They are my own OT 9 & 10 😔
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Ah, see you weren’t doing it right. It’s “wocknwoll” - which is an actual Scientology term. Like everything in our cult, it’s not working because you are at fault. Now, since you know the secret We’ll charge your account $10,000.
@@mattkaustickomments NO 😭😭😭
It would be really interesting to do a video on the estimated cost and time it would take for a member of Scientology to get through OT 8.
All of the levels, OT 1 through 8, I meant.
@@nicgroves6116 $500,000+ & Mandatory Contributions to the International Association of Scientologists. Perhaps over $1,000,000+ total.
He just trains GPT 3 on Scientology, and has it write the next OT levels.
It could even generate other communications from Hubbard beyond the grave.
Another reason he probably doesn't want to fake them (even though it would be easy, especially if he hired a talented ghost writer who could fake Hubbard's style) is that it wouldn't take long at all before they were leaked on the internet just as the previous eight were.
so the real issue here is that, although mad, hubbard was actually a creative writer while miscaviage is just a creep with no creative skill?
It's the Steve Jobs - Tim Cook effect
Hi Aaron👋 Another brilliant video mate. Can't quite articulate how unbelievable, immersive and unbelievably exploitative the whole Scientology doo-doo (thank you for the new expression you taught me!) is. It is just unreal....and really if LRH had lost his marbles toward the end, I am not at all surprised. You deserve so many more subscribers, as support for the stripping of their tax free status, in addition to running for your position in Clearwater. I could not wish you more luck than I currently do. Cheers mate.❤
I love your channel!! Hope everything goes well with campaign!!
Thank you so much!
Wow, great video. I love hearing your perspective on this stuff. It's fascinating to hear about how things work at those high levels of Scientology.
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I'm so glad I left Scientology when I did. Thank you for revealing what I missed. Actually, I know who I am, with or without BT'S 😅😊
I'll write them for him.
OT 9: Stand on your head and fart.
OT 10: Transcend your need for money and give it all to Xenu aka David Miscabbage.
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As bent as he was, Hubbard is still acknowledged as one of the Golden Age Masters of Science Fiction... (read Battlefield Earth, but nothing else!) outdoing the guy who outdid Heinlein is one helluvabig order, and frankly Miscavige isnt up to the job. Is he on the lookout of writing talent inside the org? That'd be my move, look for a "'medium" of some type.
Great comment, thank you for watching and commenting
Trying to imagine David Miscavige writing the new OT levels, all I can think of is Stan Marsh in the Scientology episode of South Park after he’s told that he’s the reincarnation of LRH.
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Aaron must have died laughing trying to get through that episode.
Del Close of iO in Chicago & mentor of SNl & modern comedy- Del once said that he was roommates with L.R.H & gave him the idea of creating a religion.
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I’ve always loved to know the answer to this! Keen to hear your answer.
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@@GrowingUpInScientology insightful answer. I didn’t realise the stakes behind him creating OT 9 & 10 but it makes sense… could you do a video on David Miscaviges thoughts on LRH returning and the fact he hasn’t done so? What this has or might’ve done to his belief in CoS.
Wouldn't LRH be 14 years old today if he was supposed to come back in 2007? Or is the story that he dies in 1986, he is instantly reincarnated and then he is 21 in 2007?
Him being 21 in 2007 is how I have understood it
He died in 1986
There might be the material still, in Hubbard's "case" folders, where, as Pat Broeker said in the LRH funeral event, Hubbard was "researching" the upper OT levels while he was doing his own solo pseudo-therapy (auditng is the Scientology word for Scientology's pseudo-therapy, and Scientology also does their exorcism quite a lot of it, on the upper levels of Scientology).
I trained and the "Compilations Officer Full Hat" which is the training in how the Hubbard "research" was then written into "pilot issues" and then piloted, and then re-fixed up, reissued as revised pilot issues, and re piloted, etc, until it was perfected, and turned into written issues for the general Scientologists to do. That is all per Hubbard's behind the scenes orders, how to comb through the research material Hubbard orders to be combed through, to then do the above. The whole CMO Int sub unit in the Senior C/S Int office, all this is at the Riverside County "Int Base" in California, where this is supposed to get done. The proof is in Hubbard's case folders, which need to be reviewed. All we have is people's word that the Hubbard case folders don't have the "research" in them, from which to make the upper OT levels, and that Ray Mithoff, who is or was the boss of the Senior C/S Int office, his memory was so bad, Ray couldn't remember what LRH told Ray. Ray was with LRH in the final weeks of LRH's life, and Ray supposedly might have been given some orders from Hubbard and some clues about the upper OT levels. It has to do with boing back, in one's memory, to really vast vast long times ago, if the "worksheet" that Pat held up in the LRH death/funeral event, where one of Hubbard's worksheets is held up.
I also heard that Ray himself was unable to delve that deeply in his own case. So also, the piloting stalled at step one, meaning not only Ray, but anyone else is simply not capable of going that deep into their memories of the distant date example in the worksheet held up by Pat Broeker.
So, honestly, an expert's answer to the simple question that your video is titled, ought to include what I just sad above.
We don't have the Hubbard case folders, and tie them together with what else Pat Broeker and Ray Mithoff could be jogged to recall of what LRH said them on the upper OT levels.
Not that I want to dig this out of Hubbard's case folders, but that'd be the starting point for someone fully trained in compilations of the LRH "research" to then put together the procedure LRH did himself on himself, when LRH was starting to research the upper OT levels.
Also, that Pat Broker talk, is so important (I'm no longer a Scientologist, but I can think with the Hubbard rules and what ought to have been done), Pat gives clues as to what the upper OT levels were to consist of, that Pat Broeker talk is important to listen to for answering this viewers question you titled this video you are answering here.
I'd tell the person to listen to that Pat Broeker full talk, and here's the except though.
ua-cam.com/video/ISRxhCEUZfo/v-deo.html
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Brian Herbert and JK Anderson's Dune books.
This is startlingly similar to my experience watching Stephen Moffat era Doctor Who.
Aaron, if lrh passed away in '86 & if he was reborn in '87 he'd be 35 in 2022. But where would he be and what would he be doing? Writing OT IX & OT X and living a normal life? Well how about in S. Africa under the name of LaRry SoFer, the magician??
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Frankly, Miscavage isn't clever enough to come up with any OT levels (we won't get into what I think about his personal ability to think beyond the basics of a narcissistic sociopath). He's really only capable of coming up with new to him ways to feed his megalomania. Anything else would require legitimate creativity.
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I've read some notes from the leaked OT levels (wikileaks) and they are bizarre! No wonder Hubbard wanted to keep them confidential from fear it might destroy his work if revealed. Also I'll bet Miscavige sees all your vids and is likely very unnerved by them, lol.
OT 9: Sanctifying your soul
OT 10: Becoming a God
Miscavige can’t do either of these, so he’s keeping them a secret…. 🤪🤪🤪
The fact that there are levels in a “religion” is mind blowing to me and u have to move up a letter and pay as you go that is not suspicious to anyone who’s in currently in it
It’s almost like your being forced to donate by paying for everything rather than donating on your own free will
In a way you are forced to agree with them if not your evil so I agree he will force it on them
This is exactly what I was thinking and this is a great video. very interesting hearing your viewpoints.
It seemed four scientologists thumbed this down.
I think he doesn't have a creative bone in his body for him to come up with these OT levels.
I know LRH was a nutjob, but he could write unlike that other dude.
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HES BACK HES BACK YES YES YES AARON
Is that a three strip blue belt and gi behind you Aaron? Nice!
LRH would have run one hell of a game of DnD
Hey Aaron ✌🏼❤️
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That momentum L.Ron had was on a different level all on its own.
Trying to replicate in a way you think the creator would have wanted it is almost nonsensical. Especially if the OP has died.
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Hey Aaron, has a Scientologist ever admitted to having been a body Thetan that infected Another scientologist before? The Scientology have protocols for identifying body theaters that have become human and is there any kind of separation or class distinction between body Thetans who were infecting a human and those who were just normal lost spirits?
That is a great question and I have never heard of that happening before and there is no such procedure in place
Good question.
The hits keep on coming!!!
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wish I could donate but living in the UK it won't let me, Clearwater would be lucky to have you and not just for your work against Scientology 😘
Thank You
OT 9 and 10 would be the removal of more BT's LOL. David could just say that LRH has contacted him or he found an old box in LRH's basement with new levels. Lol it's all BS anyway so how hard could it be to make up more BS.
Could they have OTs where you have to prepare your self for the ultimate battle - auditing Xenu?! Xenu is just a super powerful universal thetan (whole course on getting rid of those) who once did drugs with a space psychiatrist and if you audit him correctly then he will give you the final, ultimate OT. Obviously this OT will cost several million.
I don't understand upon what authority this religion stands? Genuine, serious question. When the followers of scientology commit their entire lives to this organization, it seems that their must be some form of authority where from their derive their legitimacy- real or imagined. Many Christians believe that the bible is the unrefuted absolute truth from God's mouth to their eyes...Upon what "truth" principle do Scientologists stand on to give this organization so much reverence? Do any former Scientologists know?
The entire "religion" of scientology is based on the words of L. Ron Hubbard. I'm not sure if that answers the question or not. This video might explain more: ua-cam.com/video/rAWpyvqCO2I/v-deo.html
You don't seem to be losing too much sleep over another possibility: What if OT 9 and 10 do get forged and released, but Hubbard then comes back afterwards with the real thing? 😁
Wouldn't that be the biggest mindf*ck? Like Hubbard was actually right 😂
Im surprised no one just says they're him.
It's not like they expect him to have the same physical body, right?
South Park told us all we need to know.
Love it love it
I always go back to that LRH death announcement. They told members that there were more levels being compiled right at that time from LRH research. It didn't exist. I wonder how much of it was that they thought Hubbard's insane ramblings that did lay around as scraps of paper WERE going to be legitimate levels, and how much of it was a power struggle between Miscavige and Broeker. Either way once it was realized the materials didn't exist, they had to keep playing along. Ironically the people who are "done" with the bridge are the ones who pay the church the most, through all the fundraising nonsense while they cling on to hope new courses or levels are coming. Getting to OT8 implies youre wealthy, so thats why Scientology changed into being only about getting cash and making busy work for OTs. There's nothing else to offer them or scam them for otherwise.
There are crazy people all over the world claiming to be Jesus, Elvis Presley or even God, but no one has yet claimed to be LRH. And the stage is all set!!! What are they waiting for? 😂
Oh, many people have claimed to be LRH in Scientology… but such people are written off as crazy
You have to join OTO 9 and OTO 10 to find the last few OT levels!
I wonder what will happen first, the OT9 reveal or the new Game of Thrones novel coming out.
It seems to me to be a failure of talent and imagination that no one has been able to write something that will satisfy. If DM has studied Scientology for so long, can't he imagine what comes next? Weird.
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Once DM dies is there a potential successor? Or will there be a lot of people scrambling to make sense of what to do / believe
There is no chosen successor
I thought it was going to be Mike Rinder and Leah Remini.
How do Scientologists believe that Hubbard came into all this knowledge? What made him and his writings special, in their view?
Other than Hubbard saying he was Buddha, he literally never gave even one reason why he was supposed to have been able to figure all this stuff out. Crazy, huh?
Do a video on dating a Scientologist and what to expect. There are a few hot body routers here in LA and thinking about taking my shot with them
Kermit1 dont Put your weiner into a Bodyrouter before reading Oaty tree, it might get trapped into icecubes, which U will have to throw into the correct volcano
Scientologist can't be gay ....
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Miscavige doesn't know what to do because he's allowed his ego to blind him.
Don’t OTs go up to 15? If so, the size of DMs problems are facing exponential growth…even AFTER 9 & 10 come out (in whatever form).
That is correct, but if he made everybody wait 35 years or so for OT 9 and 10, he probably doesn’t have to worry too much about 11.
It was BOTH Sir 👍😉.. Appreciate ya my friend .. Old G 😁
Some say that OT XV is where LRH finally admits he’s ripped you off.
What exactly do they mean by , "who YOU are?"
If YOU are a Thetan, then YOU are also a body Thetan. Who's to say which one of them YOU are?
Why doesn’t he just get a really good Sci-fi writer to do it. Let them read L.R.H’s works and have them write in his style and come up with something good. Clearly Scientologists aren’t that bright to begin with and will fall for anything 🙄
Yep, you'd think he'd do this. They wouldn't question it
Can't Miscavige just file the serial numbers off Dune and call it a day?
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You describing the progression through OT levels gives me Cookie Clicker vibes.
Are we just waiting for LRH to return in a new body? Maybe coming of age and doing the OTs and realizing who he his? He dies in 86, so 2026 will be 40 years. Did we miss him? He got BT confused? Xenu interfered or did something?
U r great and should have ur own tv show
If OT9 and OT 10 help the individual find out who they are, then the Scientology comes to an end when this happens because you can't have a cult of individuals.
The most brilliant thing DM could have done...ever...would have been to groom someone like his wife, for example, to become the reincarnated LRH...Could have saved himself a lot of problems doing that
Don’t give DM any ideas… because that is genius!
@@chayheretoday9890 I honestly wasn't trying to. I just find it hard to believe that, with intelligent people, fleets of lawyers, and people who work specifically in entertainment that this wasn't already thought of. But if it does happen, I know which Scientologist he would choose. And so should everyone else lol. I used his wife as an example but she is "missing." His next best option is obvious to anyone with half a brain, or who understands people in any way, has even a limited knowledge or understanding of psychology, or even any criminology. In fact this person could also fit the junk science profile of a serial killer, other than DM himself.
Just dropped $5 into the warchest.
Miscavige is such an arrogant, abusive, control freak, is there a chance he will overstep and blow the whole thing up? How old is he and how much money does he personally have? Could he play it along until collapse is certain, then retire, sticking someone else with the problem?
He is in his 61. He probably has personally about 10 million.
Scientology just be hatin' the Theatan...
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Dan Sherman was working on it, but all of his ten submissions were rejected by Dave. He's now in The Hole until he gets it right.
Bingo! 😆
I love love love your activity is brisk these days. You are super and I am a big fan. Would love to meet you and your family some day!,
Thank you so much! Do you live in Clearwater or nearby?
@@GrowingUpInScientology unfortunately no. Canada but might down sometime
The five people who dislike this video work for OSA lol
So my question is, If youve accomplished OT8 lets say 20 yrs ago. Then what? How do they keep you entertained on the idea that there is more to come? How much more cash can they get from you. What Fools!!
I’m thinking he’s probably just lazy. Sounds like punctuality is not their forte lol
DM will eventually say he's talked with HUBBARD & he told him the other levels are coming when he returns. So they'll continue to wait for his return 🙄
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Wow OT 7 is just embarrassing! Lol I’d be so embarrassed for anyone to see me auditing myself. And 6 times a day??
And to think these guys auditing on OT 7 are like super stars in Scientology. Also, solo auditing sessions can only be done in private.
How do they continue to get money out of those that are OT 8.... Donation drives to death??
Even if he wanted to make & release them, would he have to write them HIMSELF in SECRET? Or would there be other cult members who help him write the OT levels, knowing it was all a lie & they're writing a fraud?
Chat GPT, please write OT 9 and 10 in the style of L. Ron Hubbard. Many thanks.
I recommend to check out Star Matrix.
This is fascinating. I want to start an artists cult.
Got 9 and 10 right here. Found ‘em myself, knew right where to find them. How do I know it is legit? Mr. Hubbard came to me in a dream. He was commander of the Tidy Bowl ship, racing around the tank of my toilet and blasting away at the Mexican restaurant down the street. I asked him wtf? And he told me, to tell you guys, to send me a bunch of money or Xenu will be super duper pissed off. “Big Z” and I have been racquetball partners for millions of years… not only an intergalactic baddie, but he has one helluva serve!
Hubbard for all of his faults, was the creative. Book upon book. Miscaviage is just a control freak who lusts for power. He can't come up with a new idea to save his cult.
But he could’ve always kidnapped someone creative & make them write stuff. Kinda wondering why he didn’t.
yeah... have you read any of his books? They are really badly written, it's like if someone tried to write a novel by putting down the first thing that pops into your head. Everything is super generic and derivative of pulp writers popular in the 60s and 70s. It's just cliché after cliché and stilted dialogue smooshed together; it's not even "so bad it's good" stuff - too unimaginative and boring to be that.
The bottom line is Whole Track and what the public does not know about Whole Track. Scientology left the general population far behind decades ago. You can talk OT levels all day long. I actually ran into an EO that attested to the state of Clear without ever having a past life picture. I was on the phone with SeaOrg Reg once that was a complete mental wreck. As much as I like auditing, I just can t wait to convert my 25 dollar an hour income to one 800 dollar an hour worth of chair time.
Miscavige might put additional restrictions or stop giving OT7 and OT 8.
The hype around OT 9-10, is a massive hurdle! To do it DM must in someway be a non believer, second he don’t have the talent to write them or to supervise someone else to!
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@@GrowingUpInScientology Your fast!:)
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I don't know about OT 9 & 10 but OT 11 reveals why a fool and his money are soon parted.