Volodos conocia el piano desde los 8 años. A los 15 lo tomo seriamente. Kissin es gigantesco, Volodos tambienm cada uno a su manera. Ninguno es mejor que el otro, ambos son geniales.
How lucky to have had a chat! I was in a group after her Carnegie Hall recital and she was charming , funny and unaffected-and it was a superb performance. I appreciate your support. I do not 'worship' or look for absolutes-particularly from the past-even in Yuja. The palate of quality AND interpretative interest is wide and non-exclusive, unlike the rather pompous 'opinions' of the 'pseudo-elite' like our friend below (just go to his channel for a taste of his musical pretensions)
Additionally: I would like you to know that I had the pleasure ;) of chatting with YW at a Parisian nightclub the other night, and she specifically mentioned her fatigue at the elite pretensions within the piano world.
@705JRC, we may never see eye-to-eye in terms of performance, or even in terms of the best way to express ourselves, but I am glad to see that we can agree on the dangerous mixture of musicology and music criticism. Why can't we throw out all of this high-falutin' language, and get back to the music? I hope that might help us get out of our own way. After all, aren't the musicologists and critics really only writing for themselves and each other? Do they even care about the rest of us???
Well, if you must know, before, as the complaint about elitism came after a heartfelt lament about the lack of such strong, "raw" voices like Rihanna's in classical world, due, of course, to the draconian policies of vocal instructors permeating the establishment.
You ARE a LL 'fan'! If bordering on the fanatical, I will not complain. Much of what you write I agree with. I mentioned race because it has been a motivation AGAINST such as LL and Yuja, couched in terms of 'elite' pianistic 'verity'--how one SHOULD play and act-and an 'a priori" disdain for anything resembling commercial success or at variance with hero worship of past greats. In your enthusiasm for Mr.Lang tho', I HOPE you listen to other 'superb' young pianists who will carry on too...:-)
@705jrc what HAPPENED on this video? this is a volodos video, people! lol anyway, aren't all Yuja Wang fans old guys with Asian fetishes? what the hell else is the attraction? not the "profound" musical interpretations. you seem offended that deutsche gramophon hired her, but they gotta make money somehow!
@bloodgrss, my comment about LL's artistry had nothing to do at all with race. There are many pianists out there (Chinese, Russian, American, French) who make facial expressions. Indeed, I was pointing out that LL is a consummate artist, who cares enough about to bring art to the widest-possible audience. He uses modern tools of marketing and technology to open up the classical music world to everyone. If his performances are superb, and he gets lots of people to listen, who are we to complain?
Will we always find her at her best--always agree or be moved by her musical choices?Just look at the critiques of even the greats (Horowitz being called by Virgil Thompson a ""master of distortion and exaggeration")--that is absurd, and irrelevant. I have nothing but respect for her talent, achievement and dedication. The extreme pomposity of those who, as below. dismiss her in blanket and wrongheaded terms says more of their prejudice and limited 'acumen' than truly of her...
@bloodgrss and @705JRC, I'd like to point out that in your contest to use as many overused buzz words in music criticism and musicology as you can, you are forgetting something of more importance: Who among these pianists will be able to continue the traditions you value, inspiring new generations of pianists? Wang? Volodos? Perhaps. But there is one more who is committed to teaching, who shows his artistry in his interpretations, in his facial expressions,in his public persona: Lang Lang!
How flees can compare the virtues of different dogs! Perhaps it's their taste and a sense of having traveled? Comments from the peanut gallery are like that all too often.
She is a MAJOR pianist with 18 years of practice and serious study--705JRC and others patronizing whine is of no real relevance or long term importance. True 'critics', conductors, or musicians who MATTER. hail her and are anxious to hear or collaborate with her-and their's ARE 'opinions' that actually CAN be respected musically! I defend her when the mood strikes me against the most ridiculous of YT pomposities-and delight in her unfolding career among other youthful bright lights...
Actually-Volodos is EXACTLY the type spoken of in hushed, worshipful tones by old guys with 'elite pianistic' fetishism and anti-commercial hives.Yuja, Alice Sara Ott etc, sell well to ALL age guys, particularly YOUNGER ones. Bravo DG! Isn't it a good thing that YW is also a MAJOR, superb talent-and dismissal of that in the glare of the over-praised Volodos is only more simple, subjective pomposity!? YT certainly brings out the dark side in "profound" people hunched over their filthy keyboards!
Dear bloodgrss, I have been following your conversation with the vicious and insufferable troll 705JRC (indeed I can hardly wade through the troll's leaden, pedantic prose and overuse of scare quotes). I would like to say it is remarkable to finally find an ally and a fellow connoisseur of YW on on YT (they seem to be rare these days).
I have been surprised you haven't reappeared before! 'Drilling' your pupils for their 'comps' a lot lately? Yes, a compatriot in the Anti-Yuja Fanclub! Like you, most vociferous when crossed-and ALSO makes pronouncements from lordly heights! Might be a chance for you....tho' I will say this; for all your shared pianistic pomposities-HE has yet to bring in foulness, bodily fluids, sexual fantasy, and guns to the 'debate'. So you can rest easy with SOME uniqueness in spitting toward little YW..:-)
Much as I'm loathe to quote, which seems to comfort you with a misguided sense of credibility, such phrases as "...always important for a work in the virtuoso variation tradition." and pedantic 'definition' about "musical criticism/musicology"--'opinion' becomes a sort of bogus 'objective truth'. I have, indeed, downgraded that to MERE subjective and biased 'opinion'. You like to impertinently patronize pianists-MY 'opinion' counters that for YW. Maybe it's the short dresses that get to you...
Ah, your 'pianistic' pomposity is showing again! Heaven forbid anyone of the modern musical world should invade the blinkered paths to 'pure' artistry such an 'elite' classical mind as yours inhabits! But knowing she likes Rhianna at least shows you are paying attention to her, despite your vehement statements to the contrary! No wonder you feel the need to post your irritation....can't get her out of your sight...perhaps it is the dresses after all...:-)
Hmmm- "overused buzz words", not sure what that means-but OK, if that's your take on our 'debate'. You will open a can of worms by mentioning LL! Certainly with fredericfranc who has an extreme chinese bigotry. The facial expressions are NOT a necessary part of artistic expression-I do find his distracting and gratuitous--but he is not alone in this these days! However, I do admire his skill and dedication to classical music, even if it takes marketing that is 'off-putting' to traditionalists...
LOL--Well, the last post is by a neurotic YT poster who's a 'pianistic' phony and foul and bigoted personality--you may run into his curious and crap-acious posts elsewhere if your unlucky (and can actually fathom what they try to say!!!)-a rather disturbingly sad Texas piano teacher-according to him. My Volodos obsessed and anti-Yuja 'friend' below I have dealt with--- I do NOT like this over percussive performance-but I DO admire his skill and ability elsewhere-as I do Yuja Wang...:-)
Pseudo 1: 'False; deceptive; sham'----as in "sounds like a student learning an etude"," automaton-like articulations" etc. 2: 'Apparently similar'-as to real, valid pianistic 'reasoning' on her play instead of mere bias-and the whole subjective and pedantic expansion of your dislike into some sort of ,Yes., 'musicological' damnation. You don't like her play--great--but your whole pontificating assessment beyond that, in your patronizing way, is simply silly, irrelevant, and absurd pomposity.:-)
If 'ears' like Dutoit, Tillson Thomas, Masur, Tomassini, Lynn Harrell, Abaddo, Mehta, etc, laud her as well-I shall not say nay. Somehow, that "musical criticism/musicological' thinking by real,practical musical brains is nice to acknowledge along with my own enthusiasm-and gosh, just a BIT more credible 'opinion' than the bigoted and ridiculously 'reasoned' one you have presented to us here against her. It's your prejudiced ears that are suspect-and those dresses still rankle, don't they..:-)
Well, you certainly do NOT "get it", tho' you swathe your posts in pseudo-pianistic 'acumen'. Your prejudice against Yuja Wang is evident enough to invalidate any absurd 'critique' you produce of her play--and I get a sort of obsequious pandering to Volodos in this key pounding performance. "..no feeling of spontaneity' is nonsensical pretension-live versions of Yuja has plenty of that--and for musicality she looks to Hamelin or her hero Cortot rather than to sheer technicality of Volodos. :-)
So, your reading Burnham's book this semester--good for you--explains a lot why your simple, prejudiced disdain for Yuja vs the "exciting and 'live' Volodos escalated somehow into a irrelevant discourse on musical aesthetics, 'originality', and "19th century romantic notions"--fresh in your pretentious brain. But this is no Norton Lecture--and you are no Bernstein or Burnham....
whoa whoa, buddy! I love blatant commercialism as much as any tone deaf noob, but there are way hotter musicians than yuja and alice sara ott. I also dont get this whole "volodos" thing. I never heard anyone worshipping him. maybe you just hang out with elite snobs a lot? lol
But of course your biased and simply subjective 'reasons' are quotable: they are exactly the best examples of your uninspired pretentiousness and pianistic understanding.
".....uninspiring playing." Well, NOW at least were getting past the disingenuous and down to the simple truth--YOU don't like poor Yuja's play! Thank you!-could have saved time-as Ernest Newman once said, criticism can be as rotten when it tries to reason as when it simply feels. My time saving "your" is accurate enough to reply to such pretension. Proto-Beckmesser? (glad you Wiki'd that)--the 'racial' slur of Wagner has nothing to do with the semantic use-as a student you should look it up...
Why don't you lunkheads go to a channel that features Yuja Wang to chat about her, and leave this channel to com- ments pertinent to Volodos. Would you visit a channel featuring Ms. Wang and disrespect her by rambling on about the merits of volodos? You guys know a lot about music but are too emotionally driven for your own good, and lack grace and common sense.
Nor our time with your own 'rhetoric'! "sounds like a student learning an etude", one of your other 'pithy' witticisms, is so without any musical credibility it will be a pleasure to see your YT head get small in Yuja' case. As an uncritical thurifer of this technically admirable but musically hollow performance by Volodos, your ears and mine are definitely 'out of tune'. But I do not dismiss him as a pianist as you do her, and as to "originality"-silly 'pseudo-musicological' subjectivity.
that ending he added.... not good. sorry, just not good. I am a pianist myself, I am no where near the level of being able to play a piece like this, I realize that, but this performance was quite sloppy imo. I love his Wedding March, his Liszt, they are phenomenal... but this one? It's a start... he's got a long way to go before it's on the level of Horowitz's performance of this if I'm being honest.
Yes, thank you for mentioning the album recording. Here, considering the apparently ridiculously hot room and the clearly not so great piano, it's still a very impressive performance.
There is probably no greater living pianist than Volodos.It is truly sad that he has only a few CDs and one DVD.
spotted
So why isn't he making more?
I love Volodos.He is the greatest living pianist without a doubt.Please tell him to make a few more DVDs.thank you.
spotted
The greatest pianist in the world!!!!
Yuja Wang is the greatest living pianist right now in my opinion.
@@mrmatthew7629 What about Sokolov? Schiff? Yuja Wang is still very young pianist… She is just fast.
always loved his playing in this piece. he has never failed to impress me
роскошный пианист,роскошная музыка-божественно!!!
Volodos conocia el piano desde los 8 años.
A los 15 lo tomo seriamente.
Kissin es gigantesco, Volodos tambienm cada uno a su manera.
Ninguno es mejor que el otro, ambos son geniales.
"no description available..." title says it all "God's playing piano"
great musician.
Exelente. 🖐️🇮🇷🙏💕 Pianista. 🌺
Well done,,,tribute to Horowitz.
VK + Benno M and lots of AVolodos himself
the best of the past and one of the few real virtuosi today
🇮🇷🙏💕🖐️🌺
Fantastic player!
Awesome. Played on a Cold War steinway 😂
👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋✅✅✅😂
How lucky to have had a chat! I was in a group after her Carnegie Hall recital and she was charming , funny and unaffected-and it was a superb performance. I appreciate your support. I do not 'worship' or look for absolutes-particularly from the past-even in Yuja. The palate of quality AND interpretative interest is wide and non-exclusive, unlike the rather pompous 'opinions' of the 'pseudo-elite' like our friend below (just go to his channel for a taste of his musical pretensions)
Ovviamente migliore interpretazione di tutti i tempi come la marcia turca di lui
King!
Superhuman
I love how he brings out the melody in the left hand at 1:00
Best interpretation besides Horowitz himself.
@MALBGM u supposed to play with dropping weight of arm. it makes no different what the fingers are shaped like. fingers just need to stay stiff
Additionally: I would like you to know that I had the pleasure ;) of chatting with YW at a Parisian nightclub the other night, and she specifically mentioned her fatigue at the elite pretensions within the piano world.
@705JRC, we may never see eye-to-eye in terms of performance, or even in terms of the best way to express ourselves, but I am glad to see that we can agree on the dangerous mixture of musicology and music criticism. Why can't we throw out all of this high-falutin' language, and get back to the music? I hope that might help us get out of our own way. After all, aren't the musicologists and critics really only writing for themselves and each other? Do they even care about the rest of us???
Awesome post! How long ago was this concert? What else did he play?
Well, if you must know, before, as the complaint about elitism came after a heartfelt lament about the lack of such strong, "raw" voices like Rihanna's in classical world, due, of course, to the draconian policies of vocal instructors permeating the establishment.
Yes for 10 yrs now he only plays Schubert. Sad.
You ARE a LL 'fan'! If bordering on the fanatical, I will not complain. Much of what you write I agree with. I mentioned race because it has been a motivation AGAINST such as LL and Yuja, couched in terms of 'elite' pianistic 'verity'--how one SHOULD play and act-and an 'a priori" disdain for anything resembling commercial success or at variance with hero worship of past greats. In your enthusiasm for Mr.Lang tho', I HOPE you listen to other 'superb' young pianists who will carry on too...:-)
Généreux
Crane operator has having a ball
very nice
@rikikurosi Agreed-power and technique--but, oh my, the music..."Sturm and Drang".......
Are they booing? What kind of support is that?
@damgoodballers
he did started at 15...he likes piano since 8 but studied until 15....i heard him saym about his normal childhood and stuff
@705jrc what HAPPENED on this video? this is a volodos video, people! lol anyway, aren't all Yuja Wang fans old guys with Asian fetishes? what the hell else is the attraction? not the "profound" musical interpretations. you seem offended that deutsche gramophon hired her, but they gotta make money somehow!
@bloodgrss, my comment about LL's artistry had nothing to do at all with race. There are many pianists out there (Chinese, Russian, American, French) who make facial expressions. Indeed, I was pointing out that LL is a consummate artist, who cares enough about to bring art to the widest-possible audience. He uses modern tools of marketing and technology to open up the classical music world to everyone. If his performances are superb, and he gets lots of people to listen, who are we to complain?
he always plays stuff faster, but hey, it sounds better
Will we always find her at her best--always agree or be moved by her musical choices?Just look at the critiques of even the greats (Horowitz being called by Virgil Thompson a ""master of distortion and exaggeration")--that is absurd, and irrelevant. I have nothing but respect for her talent, achievement and dedication. The extreme pomposity of those who, as below. dismiss her in blanket and wrongheaded terms says more of their prejudice and limited 'acumen' than truly of her...
most close to horowitz
He is very good, but Boris Berezovsky is even a little bit better ;-)
berezovsky didnt record this
Stupendous! Too bad they don't have air conditioning in Poland :)
His face, wow his face... hahaha
The concert hall must be very hot...
@bloodgrss and @705JRC, I'd like to point out that in your contest to use as many overused buzz words in music criticism and musicology as you can, you are forgetting something of more importance: Who among these pianists will be able to continue the traditions you value, inspiring new generations of pianists? Wang? Volodos? Perhaps. But there is one more who is committed to teaching, who shows his artistry in his interpretations, in his facial expressions,in his public persona: Lang Lang!
Not even close to Horowitz. 🤯
How flees can compare the virtues of different dogs! Perhaps it's their taste and a sense of having traveled? Comments from the peanut gallery are like that all too often.
3:35. WTF
Actually your wrong Jerrez, he did not start at 15, but age 8. Go read his biography of his life man. Google it
She is a MAJOR pianist with 18 years of practice and serious study--705JRC and others patronizing whine is of no real relevance or long term importance. True 'critics', conductors, or musicians who MATTER. hail her and are anxious to hear or collaborate with her-and their's ARE 'opinions' that actually CAN be respected musically! I defend her when the mood strikes me against the most ridiculous of YT pomposities-and delight in her unfolding career among other youthful bright lights...
Actually-Volodos is EXACTLY the type spoken of in hushed, worshipful tones by old guys with 'elite pianistic' fetishism and anti-commercial hives.Yuja, Alice Sara Ott etc, sell well to ALL age guys, particularly YOUNGER ones. Bravo DG! Isn't it a good thing that YW is also a MAJOR, superb talent-and dismissal of that in the glare of the over-praised Volodos is only more simple, subjective pomposity!? YT certainly brings out the dark side in "profound" people hunched over their filthy keyboards!
Dear bloodgrss, I have been following your conversation with the vicious and insufferable troll 705JRC (indeed I can hardly wade through the troll's leaden, pedantic prose and overuse of scare quotes). I would like to say it is remarkable to finally find an ally and a fellow connoisseur of YW on on YT (they seem to be rare these days).
too much strain. disorganized phrasing. too tense. not fun. arduous to listen to.
@705JRC Possibly because she plays it with more musicality and less heavy-handedness....:-)
I have been surprised you haven't reappeared before! 'Drilling' your pupils for their 'comps' a lot lately? Yes, a compatriot in the Anti-Yuja Fanclub! Like you, most vociferous when crossed-and ALSO makes pronouncements from lordly heights! Might be a chance for you....tho' I will say this; for all your shared pianistic pomposities-HE has yet to bring in foulness, bodily fluids, sexual fantasy, and guns to the 'debate'. So you can rest easy with SOME uniqueness in spitting toward little YW..:-)
Very "human" interpretation ^^ ..
cant compare to horowitz..
The audience were disrespectful when they were fanning themselves coz Volodos didn't say a word about it though he's sweating.
Chill dude it's just like one of them. And they did pay so virtuosos like Volodos could sustain themselves in the first place
Much as I'm loathe to quote, which seems to comfort you with a misguided sense of credibility, such phrases as "...always important for a work in the virtuoso variation tradition." and pedantic 'definition' about "musical criticism/musicology"--'opinion' becomes a sort of bogus 'objective truth'. I have, indeed, downgraded that to MERE subjective and biased 'opinion'. You like to impertinently patronize pianists-MY 'opinion' counters that for YW. Maybe it's the short dresses that get to you...
Ah, your 'pianistic' pomposity is showing again! Heaven forbid anyone of the modern musical world should invade the blinkered paths to 'pure' artistry such an 'elite' classical mind as yours inhabits! But knowing she likes Rhianna at least shows you are paying attention to her, despite your vehement statements to the contrary! No wonder you feel the need to post your irritation....can't get her out of your sight...perhaps it is the dresses after all...:-)
Hmmm- "overused buzz words", not sure what that means-but OK, if that's your take on our 'debate'. You will open a can of worms by mentioning LL! Certainly with fredericfranc who has an extreme chinese bigotry. The facial expressions are NOT a necessary part of artistic expression-I do find his distracting and gratuitous--but he is not alone in this these days! However, I do admire his skill and dedication to classical music, even if it takes marketing that is 'off-putting' to traditionalists...
LOL--Well, the last post is by a neurotic YT poster who's a 'pianistic' phony and foul and bigoted personality--you may run into his curious and crap-acious posts elsewhere if your unlucky (and can actually fathom what they try to say!!!)-a rather disturbingly sad Texas piano teacher-according to him.
My Volodos obsessed and anti-Yuja 'friend' below I have dealt with---
I do NOT like this over percussive performance-but I DO admire his skill and ability elsewhere-as I do Yuja Wang...:-)
Pseudo 1: 'False; deceptive; sham'----as in "sounds like a student learning an etude"," automaton-like articulations" etc. 2: 'Apparently similar'-as to real, valid pianistic 'reasoning' on her play instead of mere bias-and the whole subjective and pedantic expansion of your dislike into some sort of ,Yes., 'musicological' damnation. You don't like her play--great--but your whole pontificating assessment beyond that, in your patronizing way, is simply silly, irrelevant, and absurd pomposity.:-)
If 'ears' like Dutoit, Tillson Thomas, Masur, Tomassini, Lynn Harrell, Abaddo, Mehta, etc, laud her as well-I shall not say nay. Somehow, that "musical criticism/musicological' thinking by real,practical musical brains is nice to acknowledge along with my own enthusiasm-and gosh, just a BIT more credible 'opinion' than the bigoted and ridiculously 'reasoned' one you have presented to us here against her. It's your prejudiced ears that are suspect-and those dresses still rankle, don't they..:-)
Well, you certainly do NOT "get it", tho' you swathe your posts in pseudo-pianistic 'acumen'. Your prejudice against Yuja Wang is evident enough to invalidate any absurd 'critique' you produce of her play--and I get a sort of obsequious pandering to Volodos in this key pounding performance. "..no feeling of spontaneity' is nonsensical pretension-live versions of Yuja has plenty of that--and for musicality she looks to Hamelin or her hero Cortot rather than to sheer technicality of Volodos. :-)
So, your reading Burnham's book this semester--good for you--explains a lot why your simple, prejudiced disdain for Yuja vs the "exciting and 'live' Volodos escalated somehow into a irrelevant discourse on musical aesthetics, 'originality', and "19th century romantic notions"--fresh in your pretentious brain. But this is no Norton Lecture--and you are no Bernstein or Burnham....
whoa whoa, buddy! I love blatant commercialism as much as any tone deaf noob, but there are way hotter musicians than yuja and alice sara ott. I also dont get this whole "volodos" thing. I never heard anyone worshipping him. maybe you just hang out with elite snobs a lot? lol
But of course your biased and simply subjective 'reasons' are quotable: they are exactly the best examples of your uninspired pretentiousness and pianistic understanding.
".....uninspiring playing." Well, NOW at least were getting past the disingenuous and down to the simple truth--YOU don't like poor Yuja's play! Thank you!-could have saved time-as Ernest Newman once said, criticism can be as rotten when it tries to reason as when it simply feels. My time saving "your" is accurate enough to reply to such pretension. Proto-Beckmesser? (glad you Wiki'd that)--the 'racial' slur of Wagner has nothing to do with the semantic use-as a student you should look it up...
Why don't you lunkheads go to a
channel that features
Yuja Wang to chat
about her, and leave
this channel to com-
ments pertinent
to Volodos. Would
you visit a channel
featuring Ms. Wang
and disrespect her
by rambling on about
the merits of volodos? You guys
know a lot about music but are too
emotionally driven
for your own good,
and lack grace and
common sense.
Nor our time with your own 'rhetoric'! "sounds like a student learning an etude", one of your other 'pithy' witticisms, is so without any musical credibility it will be a pleasure to see your YT head get small in Yuja' case. As an uncritical thurifer of this technically admirable but musically hollow performance by Volodos, your ears and mine are definitely 'out of tune'. But I do not dismiss him as a pianist as you do her, and as to "originality"-silly 'pseudo-musicological' subjectivity.
that ending he added.... not good. sorry, just not good. I am a pianist myself, I am no where near the level of being able to play a piece like this, I realize that, but this performance was quite sloppy imo. I love his Wedding March, his Liszt, they are phenomenal... but this one? It's a start... he's got a long way to go before it's on the level of Horowitz's performance of this if I'm being honest.
This ending is Horowitz's 1957 version.
Yes, thank you for mentioning the album recording. Here, considering the apparently ridiculously hot room and the clearly not so great piano, it's still a very impressive performance.
I like this ending, taste is subjective
Non rhythm !Non emotion! Non sense! Poor performance! I can"t endure !!