Black Magic Cinema Camera 6K Full Frame (Mini Review)
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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2023
- This is my first mini review and impressions of the Blackmagic Cinema 6K Full frame. Why did I decide to purchase it? Why should you consider purchasing it? Is it better than the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema 6k Pro? The differences, the similarities, and pro’s and cons of both. Check it out!
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As an owner of both the Komodo X and the Pocket 6K Pro, I can confirm that the majority of Blackmagic users aren’t actually complaining about the form factor. While some cinematographers may prefer a box-style Blackmagic camera, the truth is that I would choose the Pocket 6K’s form factor any day over a box-style camera like the Komodo. When using the Komodo, it requires extensive rigging, unlike the convenient setup of the Pocket 6K.
There’s a unique joy in grabbing your camera, lens, and a few batteries, then heading out to shoot or travel. The Pocket 6K consistently outperforms many modern full-frame mirrorless cameras and entry-level cinema cameras such as the R5c and FX6.
When considering the balance between price and quality, it’s hard to find a camera that can surpass the Blackmagic 6K, 6K Pro, or G2.
As an owner of both the OG Komodo and the Pocket 6K Pro, I can confirm a majority of BM users ARE definitely complaining about the form factor. I'm one of them, and it was a big point of discussion amoung myself and my cinematographer friends who dabble in the BM world. I'm not saying it has to be a box, I'm saying it should be a more ergonomic shape for production work with better ports and above, all decent battery life. I've never found the shape of the Pocket camera's useful except in studio work. Ursa is also not a great shape once you put a decent lens on it. BM need to put in some work on this aspect of their camera's. When they get a cinema body design that rivals the quality of their image - Chef's kiss.
No we're complaining.
Dude, working pros that use the Pockets all day aren't complaining either. It's mainly the online crowd who pretty much complains about every little thing that's ever released by any manufacturer. When you see this phenomenon, it simply means they've got too much time on their hands, hence not working.
When you're working, you roll up your sleeves and get the coverage by all means necessary short of illegal. You don't stand there and lament unless you like being asked to leave the set.
The DNA of a filmmaker is to quickly adapt and improvise. I've seen way too many Grip bring $12 foam core board to set as a bounce to have a different opinion. We're talking mid-large budget. Whoever says filmmakers aren't frugal hasn't been on a working set.
Producers get callbacks exactly for saving productions money. This idea that productions throw money into the air is a HL stereotype, and better relagated to a cool story.
The industry itself is all about smoke and mirrors. Audiences and clients absolutely do not care what shape the camera is.
@@thesavagefilmmakerbut you still bought it
I always liked the 6k pro form factor for the big screen (and the nd filters). Don't count me to the "all-6kpro-users-hate-the-form-factor". I clearly belong to the opposite fraction that might be bigger than you think
Whatever works for you my friend, you just can’t convince me it’s very practical for full on production scenarios.
Thank you. This was a great thorough, informative presentation. I myself did take the plunge and are waiting on delivery. The cons you mentioned are very minor with extremely easy workarounds. Fortunately a new recent "discovery", we now have a fix on the rolling shutter issue🤞You can't deny the images coming out of this new ff 6k, they're are fantastic. Perhaps Blackmagic have some incredible firmware updates up their sleeve as well. Thank you again, Im looking forward to creating stories with this new tool.
Will be interesting to see how well the Rolling Shutter fix works consistently in the real world. But yes the image is king! Hope you tell some great stories with it!
I really don’t get the complaints about the body. Mostly “UA-cam filmmakers” I suppose. In a real production rig for a movie or commercial, you’d have a cage, rail system, wireless feed, follow focus, monitor, time code box etc etc. at the end of the day this thing will still shine in that environment and for such an amazing price. 6k raw internal, full frame, anamorphic modes ( yay 3:2!!) and people STILL COMPLAIN. Be real people. If your project was that important a Blackmagic would not even be in the conversation. You’d be renting ARRI, Venice or higher end RED ( not Komodo). We should be thankful this thing doesn’t cost $10K.
Bruh.... I'm not a UA-cam filmmaker. I'm a filmmaker who UA-cams! 😅 When you rig it up for real production work, it gets pretty unwieldily and when you strip it down for real production work you're missing essential things like reliable battery life. It's fine to say don't complain and appreciate what it provides, but if we got both the image and a great body we'd have one of the best prosumer camera's on the market. And in fact a camera people might consider as an alternative to Arri's or Venice's when working with smaller budgets. Sounds like something worth asking for.
For me the only thing I don’t like about the body is how gimbal unfriendly it is 😂
@@PopoRamosThe gimbal fit isn’t an issue on an RS3 Pro, though it could get tight on earlier models.
I’m with you on the body. It’s fine, and no matter how I rig the CC or Pocket cameras, I’m including some sort of DC input so I don’t have to rely on the internal battery. And now that you can buy 99Wh V-mounts which can fit in the palm of your hand, it’s much easier to keep the rig compact even with an external battery. Though the biggest confusion about the shape has always been the tendency to compare BM cameras to stills hybrids, where instead they are production video hybrids. BM always starts with the assumption their cameras live on sticks and will often have access to mains power, in which case the internal battery is seen only as a fail safe if someone kicks the cord out of the wall, or as a way to keep the camera live while hot swapping external batteries. Filmmakers have the luxury of pauses to swap batteries, where in live production every camera has to stay up and running without interruption. It’s a different way of thinking, and for those who embrace the BM philosophy, there’s much less reason to complain-especially if you need to stream some of the time and realize how much remote control is built into the firmware which most cameras can’t do without expensive add-ons.
@@waveland Long gone are the days where I had to bring a minimum of 10 batteries with me on a shoot. Once I embraced external batteries my life became so much easier. I don’t mind the form factor, however I do, from time to time have to engage in awkward conversations explaining to someone why I can’t just snap a picture of them 🤣. As far as the gimbal, I use my S5II with an older much smaller gimbal that I had for years, I don’t see the need to get another gimbal plus a wireless follow focus system for the blackmagic. I’m taking a break from the film maker gear rat race rabbit hole, but I’m sure it’ll be back soon.
Very useful information, thank you. I hope there will be a second part with more footage to compare🎞🎥
Hope to be filming some big stuff with it over the next few weeks.
@@thesavagefilmmaker hope to see some of it. Cheers!
Great breakdown! I’ve been curious about this camera, but haven’t pulled the trigger. Definitely a really good option for BMD fans
Cheers Anson! I'm really enjoying this. 3 shoots upcoming to put it through its paces.
Great review, could agree more with you! We continue to purchase BM products because of the image quality, BRAW and amazing OS... but man the body style and terrible NP battery choice is so utterly frustrating to work with. It really does feel like they are just doing what they think is best and not listening to their customers who are using their products on real shoots everyday.
Thanks, and yes, BM gotta stop coasting on image alone!
Thanks for the review. I am hoping to get this as my first camera.
With a cfexpress card slot and a 5" inch screen, I can pick it up for quick shooting without having to rig it up. However, I do understand that the form factor is ungainly. With a full frame sensor and the BM image, I must say it just ticks all the boxes for me and the flaws, I can work around. I see that filmmakers haven't got what they asked for, but I am grateful it works for me.
Would love to see more footage from the projects you work on.
Will do!
@@thesavagefilmmaker Cheers mate!
Finally FULL FRAME on a Blackmagic!! What a time to be alive!
Will you finally upgrade Bernie?
@@thesavagefilmmaker the question that keeps me awake at night.....
I love Black Magic, but they really need to rethink their confusing naming conventions. With that said, I still love my speed-boosted pocket 4k. There's still something so special about the image I get out of it. In fact, I bought a Fuji XH2S to replace it, thinking it would meet my needs in both photography and film making, but I still prefer the pocket 4k over it. I would love to see a smaller pocket 4k in a cube format, with a OLPF and internal NDs. Alas, I can only dream of it.
Great review. Pre-ordered mine! Asides from frame rates and rolling shutter, I did not feel disappointed by the BMCC6k.
Quick side question. Did you use BMD for your feature?
I have used BMD camera's for a new massive doc I'm working on and my latest short film. But this gen of BM camera's didn't exist when I started my last narrative feature, otherwise I absolutely would have.
Sorry. I meant to ask did you use other BM cameras for your feature "Older"?
Will keep an eye out for your doc.
Great video, I'm a bit torn between this camera and Canon's C70, do you have any suggestions?
I sold my c70 and used this on my most recent documentary series. I found the c70 image worse for my tastes even using raw light, I also found the c70 body worse functionally than the 6k full frame. Also found the files much tougher on my edit suite. But I never relied on autofocus, so personally 6k full frame or 6k pro is my pick. Also half the price.
So this will allow us to adapt Sony e mount lenses to it? I mostly have Sony glass and this would be great if I can get an adapter that can allow me to use them on this new camera!!
No Sony E-mount is one of the few that does not have an adapter from L mount.
Exactly my thoughts and agree with the dslr form factor sucks, but also agree into doing a hate purchase of this affordable option to get into high end cinematography !
You will get some lovely images.
Rolling shutter can be easily fixed in post with the click of a button, so it's no issue
You know what's better than fixing rolling shutter in post? Not having to fix rolling shutter in post.
@@thesavagefilmmaker All I said it's not an issue if it's easily fixed, and that remains true. It wasn't a comparison to not having it. A lot of people will be pleased to find out that it's easily fixed
Nice run down! Still rocking the old 4K, but no real desire to move past that camera, or the Panny S5. Not enough innovation for this new BM camera, at least for me. I know this is a "cinema" camera, but again with so many of its competitors spitting out a comparable image while also offering IBIS and weather sealing, there isn't an ultra-compelling reason to snag this camera unless you're totally in love with the BM look. Battery life is also a real issue - even on the pocket 4K, you pretty much need a rig if you want to shoot all day. With the S5, I can just grab a couple of spares and run out the door. Pro-res absence is also a bummer. Great content as always brother!
Thanks mate, totally agree with you. Just a few more features are now required to stay relevant with the competition. No need to upgrade from the 4K, if you can make the most of the image. S5 is such a great little camera.
Keep 'em coming for sure - best video on the camera yet.
Great review...I am a pana and BM fan. Got the P4K,P6K org,3 S5org for multicam purpose,GH5,5s.
Perosnally happy that BM joined L mount aliance,disapointed that my L native pana fly by wire lens prime won't work with the new blackmagic like with my panasonic so I can't really use them.(you can't customize the focus lens degree like on the Panasonic cameras).
I feel like it is a something in between camera as well.
Like the S5iiX wich was release before S1Hii or S2H, to not loose people to Sony.
But personally at the samr price I would go Panasonic because I own the Videoassist 12 G and I have work already with Braw Vlog for S5 org. Which has actually a very nice image.
If panasonic will pull out soomething crazy with the S1Hii like 6K olpf 120 fps all i ,prores HQ internal,Internal NDs ,no crop mode,raw over hdmi,with PDAF and IBIS...and around 4000 $ well it would be a far superior camera and a Burano for the poor...
Panasonic is great, I loved and owned an S5. However I think BM's image is nicer even when you use Braw and a video assist on a Pana. But the S5ii is a much easier camera to shoot on and so compact.
is it grading or dulens lens gives an amazing color? because in you video other lens gave greenish color where as dulens Lens was amazing like dark moody tone. Please lemme know thank you.
Dulens gives a warm pleasing colour very easily. The Leica set would need a bit more grading to make it less green tinted.
Dulens gives a warm pleasing colour very easily. The Leica set would need a bit more grading to make it less green tinted.
@@thesavagefilmmaker that's amazing , looks like I'll have to save up and by Dulens.
Completely agree about the form factor, speaking the truth even if the fan boys don’t like it
I’m a fan boy too, but we need to start being real here.
I love blackmagics camerabody exactly how they are.
Then you'll love this camera.
I don't want a box body, i have an extensive eco system and don't need to spend more on accessories, i'm getting this camera to go with my 6k pro and .64 speed boosted 4k(which is currently my fave) BM is awesome, they've given me a stable of great tools without killing me financially, the complainers should learn to use what they have and stop wasting their $ trying to be red or alexa wannabe's when they couldn't see the diff in footage in a blind test
Hey if you like the current shape then this camera gives you everything you want, that's great. It doesn't have to be a box shape, but things like decent internal battery, SDI out etc in a better shape would be very welcome for me(something more compact than the Ursa cameras). I love the image, I put up with the shape.
The 6k definitely look better than your examples. I never seen so much green in my life😂
Different lenses, and I made no corrections in post.
There’s a DR update that add a global shutter capability. So scratch that one off the list
It improves rolling shutter, it doesn't eliminate it and it's not global shutter at all.
my issue with the camera body is putting in on a gymbal is like putting ice picks through your testicles. You can do it painfully but at what cost. Side question, what matte box did you show there at 10:34
Nisi C4 Mattebox, highly recommend
@@thesavagefilmmaker thank you much
Using accessories as a reason to keep the body design was terrible, then they mentioned rigging it in the stream.. They could've at least put it in the 4Ks body lol
Esta câmera já era perfeita para cineastas inciantes. Só faltava mesmo ser full frame.
If it were perfect, it would have at least better battery life.
@@thesavagefilmmaker Você pode usar uma alimentação externa e filmar indefinidamente. Ela gasta muita energia porque tem um visor grande e é poderosa.
I like the 6K/4K shape. You can get around on it and it's become a distinctive classic in its own right. I suspect that when the box-shape fans get what they want, they'll miss the original design and start complaining about THAT. Oh well, whaddya gonna do??? 😄
If it works for you my friend, that's all that matters.
The only people complaining are the people who don't use Blackmagic cameras in the first place. The camera is a FF version of a G2. A camera that doesn't have NDs or Autofocus.
I have every version of the 6k, and I’m complaining. A FF version of the G2 is not enough innovation or evolution.
the form factor doesn't bother me a bit
Then this camera is an even better option for you.
you forgot to talk about the 6k and 6k pro dying many times (defect) and you needed to change the camera many times you said in an another video, hopefully this will not happen with the full frame
For sure, I did link to that one. Fingers crossed.
I’ve come to the same conclusion.
Did a noise test and compared to my Sony - its pretty awful. Feel like they reused some of the electronics from even 4k days
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Compared it with which Sony? And using which codec and color profile? BRAW tends to be more noisy than most other in-camera codecs, but for colorists that’s a feature rather than a bug. We would rather choose our own level of noise reduction in post, rather than have to live with some design engineer’s decision which may or may not suit the intended look.
This is what I call a continued cry for change that does not make sense for customers who want to stay stealth on the street… stop the box camera demands… the DSLR form factor is fine!
A continued cry for practicality working on proper film sets my friend.
How much is Black Magic paying you to call it "exciting" and "cinematic" ? ROFL
I'm just messing with you. I don't mind the form factor for what I do with the camera, I'd love to have a ff, but I won't give up the convenience of the internal ND's.
Internal ND's are much less of an issue with a good mattebox and variable ND. In fact I don't miss that feature at all. And rest assured blackmagic will never pay me, because I'm still critical of there work.
@@thesavagefilmmaker oh I'm sure if I was filming things anything near a professional level I'd be right there with you. For what I do with it, honestly the 6k pro is exactly what I need. If I could just put a ff sensor in this camera I'd be happy as a lark. Lol
But - I don't use a mattebox. I do have a variable nd but it's so loose that it's practically useless. Probably because I didn't spend alot of money on it.
The NDs weren't Schneider level NDs anyway.@@thesavagefilmmaker
you know you edited the full frame much better than you did the 6k to make your point, we hear you but don't try to deceive us
I legitimately have no idea what you’re talking about.
Blackmagic is a camera for low-budget movie shooting, for which it has an ideal form factor. Personally, I don't need a square box for which I need to buy expensive accessories in order to somehow hold it in my hands.
I shoot low budget movies and it’s not an ideal form factor for me. All cameras need accessories, if this was better designed you’d need less accessories (like having to buy v-mount batteries because the NPF batteries suck). And it would fit in your hands better than this one does.
This is such a huge let down from Blackmagic. Every single camera in 2023 produces good images. Heck even the iphone 15pro looks incredible and has good dynamic range. We need a camera that has good form factor, internal ND, and way better rolling shutter. The rolling shutter on the 6k full frame is absolutely atrocious.
The rolling shutter is no worse than a Lumix S5IIx, and the CC can do 12-bit All-intra internal open gate recording which the Lumix cannot touch. And if the rolling shutter is a problem in your CC footage, at least you can correct that in post with the gyro data. It’s not as dire a situation as you might imagine.
Just sold my 6K Pro as there's too many compromises for the wotk were doing. Too much is talked about the inage quality, but these days, thats should be a given. We know these BM camera have serious caveats but they're not something I can overlook when our production schedule is tight. For now, Im opting for an iPhone 15 Pro Max as it addresses many of the BM 6K Pro's shortcomings.
I feel it’s best to wait. This was clearly a half hearted effort by BMD. We all know it… and they know it. Personally, I’m much more curious about the upcoming offering from Sony and Panasonic… Assuming that Panasonic offers something with fast rolling shutter performance and perhaps internal Raw… which with Red licensing to Nikon (yes they licensed it to Nikon… why do you think the Red CEO was hanging out at Nikon’s HQ?) is entirely possible we’ll see. Plus there’s a decent chance we’ll get internal eVNDs… and the L-mount. Hard to know exactly what Sony will bring, but I’m certain it will impress.
Until BMD gives the community what it has been asking for, there is zero reason to fork over hard earned cash to them imo.
But yes, the image can look great… but that’s true of all the medium to high end cameras of the last 5 years.
Totally agree. This was an in-between release, and I was really hoping it was going to be a true generation update, guess that'll be the next one. I agree all new camera's do produce a great image... but I think the 6K image is just a touch better than most of the alternatives(and I am a Sony and Red Owner).
There’s a fundamental misunderstanding about BM when it comes to these “pocket” category cameras. They design these as hybrids emerged from the live production world, rather than as a stills-hybrid design. From that point of view there’s nothing particularly interim about the CC 6k. As with all the cameras in this class, you can drop one on a set of sticks, plug it into an ATEM switcher, and Bob’s your uncle-instant production camera with a 5” screen. And then with a little rigging you can build from that a good quality cinema camera, which will soon have very affordable camera-to-cloud services built right into the body. Does anyone in the film world offer the ability to upload proxies with nothing but a USB-C connection and a hotspot or cellphone? Maybe the X-H2 can upload to Frame if you provide wi-fi, though Frame can quickly become an expensive add on for small production companies. The BM Cloud will be much more affordable. Anyway, I realize that few filmmakers also do live-switched events streaming, which in my thinking is the source of so much confusion about these cameras. They are an entirely different sort of hybrid, which may or may not be a selling point, but it does begin to clear up some of the confusion about the fundamentals of the design.
2:16 sorry, can't agree with you, the design is great.
Ever tried filming a full day on this handheld with audio rigging? Design is not very practical or adaptable. But whatever works for you.
your complaining here is just plain obtuse to the needs of most, if you want the fancy stuff go ahead and pay the fancy prices, if you want insane bang for you buck then go BM, also if you did some more research you'd see that the rolling shutter issue is erased with a single click in D Resolve, this is the worst vid i've seen from your otherwise great stuff
Agree to disagree my friend, the rolling shutter issue can't be fixed with a single click, it can be improved, thats not the same. And it's not a great solution to have to fix every single shot in an all action project this way. If Panasonic can make a camera like the panasonic bs1h there's no reason BM couldn't and there's no reason we couldn't get the great image and a great body, it would just take more R&D, I'm sure they'll get there. I just wish it was on this one.
so you dont like body of that cam you are not fan. what fandom anyway ? it is not toy that makes boring at some time and time to change its a tool. wwhat man....
Just because you don’t like one aspect of something doesn’t mean you can’t appreciate the upsides mate. Reviews should highlight both aspects of a product. I’m a fan of Star Wars, I don’t like everything about it 🤣
Is it just me or the pocket crop in image looks rather more cinematic than the 6k full frame
Very different looks, very different lenses. All depends on your personal preferences.