"Trying to win a game with the MATHEMATICALLY WORST opening in chess" the video should really be titled "How do i win a game while playing the Dutch Defence!?"
I'm strongly suspicious that the first resigned game was a misclick, it was such a nonsense move to make and it looks like it would have been really easy to do
I really thought he was going to play a bong cloud for a moment. Also, did we just miss an entire episode's worth of chess by waiting for the white pieces?
Bong cloud can actually be good its just so absurdly chaotic that only IMs and GMs play it, and even then its most as a way to throw the opponent off of their strategy. Nakamura won several matches against other GMs in the 2019 speed chess championship with bongcloud.
I would have never imagined that watching someone playing chess would be soo entertaining. First 5 minutes of video were BLESSED. Also the pure joy of my man after he won with Grobbers
NL, if you're worried about the Chess series becoming repetitive, you should consider queuing for Chess 960 games. The board starts with 1 of 960 randomized starting positions.
Getting black over and over and cutting to losses was hilarious, especially when you finally got white and the game ended in like 30 seconds. absolutely pogged content
The concept I believe is known as the mad/crazy rook where the piece can keep checking indefinetaly provided it being taken creates a stalemate. Sometimes the ”winning” side can get out of the checks by finding a position where stalemate material can be sacked or moved. It’s a cool way to save a lost position
@@Hassy171717 I’ve had it played against me a few times but it’s rare. In longer time controls it can be a surprise in a hard fought rook endgame where one side is running out of moves. Sometimes when I see stockfish analyzing an endgame the eval bar will suddenly go crazy as one side at some point was able to sac into a stalemate. This is an extension of that concept except the rook is not forced to be taken but further checks can not be prevented
NL, your definition of "Axiom" is off, it's not something that's sometimes true, it's something that's taken to be true (usually to form a foundation for analysis/logic).
It seemed like he used it correctly to me. He said something along the lines of: developing Knights first is considered to be good but that's kind of an axiom. Axioms are premises that are unjustifiably assumed to be true. It's impossible to prove an axiom since it's the most fundamental premise in an argument. Usually, in a scientific context, the fact that the axiom is unjustifiably assumed is ignored, for pragmatic reasons. But one could use the word to mean that something isn't justified, which I think is what he was doing.
None of the openings in chess named after people include an 's. It's always just the person's name followed by some other word like "attack," "defense," "opening," or "variation." The Alekhine Defense is a good example.
While this is fun, and I think it's great you're trying to introduce variety to the series, just plain chess with your face over it is amazingly entertaining
@@ninjacell2999 If I had to guess Id say its related to the word "rough" in English. At least the word feels that way to me. Source is mainly my ass but I am bilingual.
Jan Gustafsson is a really nice german GM, he´s often a guest on the german streaming tv channel RocketBeansTV. I would really hype a collab between him the RocketBeans and NL
This is the first time I've legitimately guffawed at a chess video. You talking mad shit about how good the grob opening is and then your opponent resigning is just pure comedy. Kudos Mr. Eggman.
Thank you for your chess videos. Started watching your UA-cam a few years ago for the binding episodes. Slay the spire was my favorite series but this is quickly becoming my new favorite series. Again I thank you
This is a fantastic video, very funny GROB defense. I love all these chess videos but I am a fan of the regular 10 min pogfest thinkcity action chess in the normal format. Whatever chess video you make though, I'm here for it!
Grob Opening sounds like a tactic for Orks in Warhammer 40k. And it looks like somefin’ a git wud play as well, so I believe that fits pretty thematically.
Lol I started playing chess again because of NL, and I've been using grob as my opening for every game cause I thought the name was funny. No idea it was the worst in the game.
I love this type of video. It’s like a nice palate cleanser from all the ‘real’ chess because sometimes you just gotta have fun with it. Would love to see more of these types of vids in the future.
Yes you never play h3. If you have to you push g5 and h4 after bb2 and other moves. I played it one year in the national school championships and won a gold medal.
In analysis enable "show lines" right under the Moments tab. It will list some of the best moves for the current player and what the score of the board state will be, so you don't have to guess where the engine wants you to move.
For me personally, you don't have to concern yourself with learning new content, whether meme or otherwise, to keep chess interesting. It's a very interesting game and, when paired with your commentary, is a perfect video to either have in the background or give full focus to.
G4 ---> h3 has a very specific task in mind. fianchetto Bf1, followed eventually by d3 pretty early in development to get your dark bishop to F4. (d3 adds the benifit of allowing either knight to d2 if you want to rotate your knights to the king or queen side fairly quickly.) then u can plaster ur dark bishop to the h2/b8 diagonal. Notice they cant really start pushing pawns in the middle without totally screwing over their structure. Also your knights protect you if they start pushing to the 3rd and 4th rank. this is also a position where f3 is actually really nice, because you want to castle queen side after already obliterating your kingside pawn integrity your 1st 2 moves. Its super gimmicky, but its actually a really fun bullet/blitz opening if people don't understand the idea at play.
Just discovered your channel, first one was you roasting the guy with like 150 elo, had a laugh but just wanted you to know your voice is awesome for commentary
There is a streamer named Blitzstream who drew Magnus Carlsen, the world chess champion by playing a grob. The video is on UA-cam if anyone wish to check it out.
@@samueldandrea1604 Weird, one of the sources I found said the borg was named such because it was an anti-computer chess tactic, and the grob was just the natural inverse. The more you know.
Side note about the openings name - Grob means "coffin" in russian (гроб check for yourself), which is probably where the opening got it's name but idk
Chess is mathematically figured out, so naturally people would hate on something that would be bad. There are several reasons as to why that opening is bad
@@Zozakaoo7 what on earth are you talking about, "mathematically figured out" Chess is far from being mathematically figured out as you say. And it never will be.
@@turtlepope7802 Chess is theoretically solvable but we don't have anywhere near enough computing power to solve it. Checkers took 18 years to be weakly solved, FYI
Meme chess is fun but I don’t think I’d ever get tired of NL try hard chess. It’s a ton of fun to hear your thoughts and commentary, but you do you and what’s best for your peace of mind and channel.
I was criticising your moves earlier but after the computer analysis every after the game. You were playing the computer best moves that I thought was wrong. Dude you have a future.
I know this opening (1:g4) as "Grob's Attack"; I've actually never heard it called the Grob Opening, nor have I seen it referenced in books as such. It must be a new name for it, which is strange since it never sees competitive play. ... I like 1:g4 for casual games, despite the drawbacks. The point is actually to suppress Black's king's knight from coming out, by playing g5 rather than defending on g4. It opens up lines for your king's rook, and the knight suppression delays Black's king-side castling long enough to make use of the open files. If the enemy knight goes to e7 to get out, it will need to move again in order to get out of the way of Black's other pieces; the Black king's bishop is trapped back there unless it moves first, so Black's castling is still delayed. You usually attack on both the king and queen side, after the Grob's Attack. You defend your king in the center -- typically by not moving your d and f pawns and playing e3, so that your central pawns aren't too easy to attack or break open. If the opponent castles, you are in position to attack. If the opponent doesn't, you are the one with the most open files and more developed pieces. The opening is not sound against perfect play, which is why it is rated poorly by engines. But humans do not typically react to Grob's Attack anything like engines do, so it actually doesn't matter that much.
@27:32 why can’t the king just capture the rook in that situation? It seems odd that because white can’t move its king safely he has to play into a stalemate and it’s not considered checkmate on white once the rook is captured. If someone could give me some reasoning to this that’d be great
There is a brazilian chess youtuber that does the grob challenge, which is basically play every game with this opening and seeing how much rating you can get. Really fun stuff!
When i started playing chess with my friends again after a long time, the first game I played was me doing the Grob Opening because my pals commented on the websites labeling of it (I didnt know it was called that at the time) nor did I know its reputation as the worst. BUT, I won that game, so now Grob has a special locale in my heart for that.
GothemChess "you should just memorize one opening really well"
NL "challenge accepted "
jeez you have so many likes for no comments apart from me
Levy: Study an opening and truly learn it.
Egg: G R O B
Grob is key
"Trying to win a game with the MATHEMATICALLY WORST opening in chess"
the video should really be titled "How do i win a game while playing the Dutch Defence!?"
RIP
call Levi
"Trying to -win- play a game with the MATHEMATICALLY WORST opening in chess"
NL psyching people out with bad openings even before becoming a certified Grand Master.
I'm strongly suspicious that the first resigned game was a misclick, it was such a nonsense move to make and it looks like it would have been really easy to do
That's where you're mistaken. He already is a Grand Master.
@@doughbag2951 Grand Master Northern
Apparently this was literally the purpose of this opening. It wasn't very good, but no one knew how to play against it.
I really thought he was going to play a bong cloud for a moment.
Also, did we just miss an entire episode's worth of chess by waiting for the white pieces?
Bong cloud can actually be good its just so absurdly chaotic that only IMs and GMs play it, and even then its most as a way to throw the opponent off of their strategy. Nakamura won several matches against other GMs in the 2019 speed chess championship with bongcloud.
Well, he actually is a GM for 24 hours now, so bongcloud do be coming tho
@@ChainsawDude2008 Wait, he's a GM now? Pog
@@ikbenwelthuis yeah chessdotcom answered him on Twitter that he's a GM for 24 hours lmao
The pogs and memes can't be stopped
One day he's playing with the worst opening imaginable, the next he's got a GM tag. The man's power knows no bounds
I would have never imagined that watching someone playing chess would be soo entertaining. First 5 minutes of video were BLESSED. Also the pure joy of my man after he won with Grobbers
NL, if you're worried about the Chess series becoming repetitive, you should consider queuing for Chess 960 games. The board starts with 1 of 960 randomized starting positions.
I feel like NL would be insanely good at chess960 due to his aversion to theory / memorizing openings
The true chess roguelike
Good idea
“A classic Grab Opening trap” got me good
This is one of the best Chess videos undeniably... Garb opening!
"this is some of the worst chess we've ever played"
Well, it's 3 minute blitz chess. That comes with the territory.
Funnily enough, compared to my 10 min games, the playing was leagues above. But then again I am a 900 and NL is not.
@@oz_jones he's about 500 elo higher so it makes sense. Just watch grandmasters play stockfish/komodo hyperbullet
ACTUAL kinda EDITING
you know hie is pogged up for a series when these 5 things happen.....
Right how has this not filled the comments section
@@RyanGaryLeTomo ho-ly, you bring back some memories with the lightbulb
@@RyanGaryLeTomo somebody please link me the video where he actually changed a light bulb during a recording
@@MrG3ecko link me 2 if you get it
Anyone else expected 28 minutes of “Were black, see you in a second”? I think this video is already the most edited Northernlion Video ever
Not counting “best of” ones, it most certainly is.
Have we already forgotten the computer video?
@@cday0075 yes
@@cday0075 u n b o x x i n g
Pressing pause on the recording software isn't really the same as editing
Love this new meta of not even showing the match and just telling us if he has won or lost the match. Saves me sooo much time. Thanks egg.
"I love all my openings equally"
Earlier:
"I don't really care for Grob"
G R O B B E R S
in chat
With his esteemed co-host GrobAlpacaPatrol
absolutely grobbed out of my gourd
grobbed straight out the gourd
Guys.. I think I grobbed myself..
GROBBERS NEW TWITCH EMOTE
The first 4 minutes are some of the funniest pieces of content ever created by mankind
*for chess players
Getting black over and over and cutting to losses was hilarious, especially when you finally got white and the game ended in like 30 seconds. absolutely pogged content
11:15 "oh no my queen" - eric rosen
That stalemate at the end is an insane line, imagine seeing that in 3 minute haha
The concept I believe is known as the mad/crazy rook where the piece can keep checking indefinetaly provided it being taken creates a stalemate. Sometimes the ”winning” side can get out of the checks by finding a position where stalemate material can be sacked or moved. It’s a cool way to save a lost position
@@Iniwid If it’s taken white has no more moves but is not in check. This results in a draw called a stalemate
I can't imagine seeing that in a regular game nm speed chess!
@@Hassy171717 I’ve had it played against me a few times but it’s rare. In longer time controls it can be a surprise in a hard fought rook endgame where one side is running out of moves. Sometimes when I see stockfish analyzing an endgame the eval bar will suddenly go crazy as one side at some point was able to sac into a stalemate. This is an extension of that concept except the rook is not forced to be taken but further checks can not be prevented
4 minutes in and WHAT IS THIS VIDEO
Don't let your memes be dreams, bro.
NL, your definition of "Axiom" is off, it's not something that's sometimes true, it's something that's taken to be true (usually to form a foundation for analysis/logic).
He also said the opponent seemed nonplussed at 3:06 when he seemed to imply the opposite.
I think the word NL means to say is "maxim."
@@justroll6s Nonplussed can mean flustered. Oddly enough, however, it can also mean not flustered.
It seemed like he used it correctly to me. He said something along the lines of: developing Knights first is considered to be good but that's kind of an axiom. Axioms are premises that are unjustifiably assumed to be true. It's impossible to prove an axiom since it's the most fundamental premise in an argument. Usually, in a scientific context, the fact that the axiom is unjustifiably assumed is ignored, for pragmatic reasons. But one could use the word to mean that something isn't justified, which I think is what he was doing.
@@egdrei He used as something that's true most of the time. Axioms are not true most of the time, they are axiomatically true, all the time.
hey everybody!! welcome back to pog city
You spelled "Blunder" wrong.
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Grob City
Here after Pog is cancelled
None of the openings in chess named after people include an 's. It's always just the person's name followed by some other word like "attack," "defense," "opening," or "variation." The Alekhine Defense is a good example.
While this is fun, and I think it's great you're trying to introduce variety to the series, just plain chess with your face over it is amazingly entertaining
Jan Gustafsson is actually a legend, pog dude
What's his twitch link?
@@MyNigaJesus he streams on chess24 on twitch theres also youtube videos with his old streams
i was looking for this comment
"Grob" also means rough or unrefined in german.
It means coffin in Russian. Both seem appropriate.
Wonder if that like "grubby" in eng
@@ninjacell2999 If I had to guess Id say its related to the word "rough" in English. At least the word feels that way to me. Source is mainly my ass but I am bilingual.
It means a tomb in Serbian
It means 'divine' in English. Grob is my chess hero.
With these past two videos, we can safely say your next session with gothem will be very entertaining
Jan Gustafsson is a really nice german GM, he´s often a guest on the german streaming tv channel RocketBeansTV. I would really hype a collab between him the RocketBeans and NL
Henceforth this is known as Pog's opening
RIP PogChamp 2021
@@thelonewolfie34 frigg
"G Rank Or Bust! GROB!!"
"... G is a file, not a rank."
"I know. Now the name makes as much sense as the move."
"... GROB it is."
Does anyone remember NL saying we wouldn't get as many uploads now that the baby is born? This man is a content machine
Shhhhh dont remind him of the child
this is pretty easy content to make
He's meme-ing, is this the death knell of the chess series?
This is the first time I've legitimately guffawed at a chess video. You talking mad shit about how good the grob opening is and then your opponent resigning is just pure comedy. Kudos Mr. Eggman.
Thank you for your chess videos. Started watching your UA-cam a few years ago for the binding episodes. Slay the spire was my favorite series but this is quickly becoming my new favorite series. Again I thank you
This was straight up amazing :D I legit laughed when NL yelled "WE WON!" from a resign !
This is a fantastic video, very funny GROB defense. I love all these chess videos but I am a fan of the regular 10 min pogfest thinkcity action chess in the normal format. Whatever chess video you make though, I'm here for it!
Grob Opening sounds like a tactic for Orks in Warhammer 40k. And it looks like somefin’ a git wud play as well, so I believe that fits pretty thematically.
's only mafematically bad 'cos he forgot to paint 'iz pieces red.
This one is going to a million views boys. The content is just too pogged.
Lol I started playing chess again because of NL, and I've been using grob as my opening for every game cause I thought the name was funny. No idea it was the worst in the game.
I love this type of video. It’s like a nice palate cleanser from all the ‘real’ chess because sometimes you just gotta have fun with it. Would love to see more of these types of vids in the future.
For Grobs attack you don't actually defend the pawn after g4. Grobs was the first opening I ever learned to play
Yes you never play h3. If you have to you push g5 and h4 after bb2 and other moves. I played it one year in the national school championships and won a gold medal.
Waiting with bated breath for the bongcloud attack video. I'm at like 7/10 pogs for this but bongcloud would get me to 20/10.
True
6:00 Just a rule of thumb in the Sicilian: if there’s a pawn on d4, always take. Otherwise, you surrender the center, which c5 was supposed to stop.
Grob opening is just a whole new level of Pog. A huge fan of it tbh.
Hey NL, this series has quickly became my new favorite! Please keep it going!!!!
Three minutes in and this already some of the most editing I have ever seen. Not only cuts, but also a low res image of a tweet? Extremely pogged.
In analysis enable "show lines" right under the Moments tab. It will list some of the best moves for the current player and what the score of the board state will be, so you don't have to guess where the engine wants you to move.
For me personally, you don't have to concern yourself with learning new content, whether meme or otherwise, to keep chess interesting. It's a very interesting game and, when paired with your commentary, is a perfect video to either have in the background or give full focus to.
Just wait until the egg hears about the Borg Defense to the Grob Attack.
Absolutely blursed trainwreck of a video, amazing
For a meme video, there were some great tactics in the games.
I hope we get the Dutch defense going
2. h3 is a terrible move. The correct way to play the grob is 1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4
G4 ---> h3 has a very specific task in mind. fianchetto Bf1, followed eventually by d3 pretty early in development to get your dark bishop to F4. (d3 adds the benifit of allowing either knight to d2 if you want to rotate your knights to the king or queen side fairly quickly.) then u can plaster ur dark bishop to the h2/b8 diagonal. Notice they cant really start pushing pawns in the middle without totally screwing over their structure. Also your knights protect you if they start pushing to the 3rd and 4th rank. this is also a position where f3 is actually really nice, because you want to castle queen side after already obliterating your kingside pawn integrity your 1st 2 moves.
Its super gimmicky, but its actually a really fun bullet/blitz opening if people don't understand the idea at play.
That stalemate trick analyzed at the end was actually pog
At 15:02 you said "We're all bad, that's what I'm learning" when you ignored his hanging rook lmfao
9:16 "He's pluggin' it into the ol' computer" LOL
NL my man, this video was great, but don't be scared to just upload straight up chess content, i live for it!
The Grob Opening is a major power move, up there with playing without your queen.
Dude, I like including blitz games! I hope this doesn't push classical out of videos though
Just discovered your channel, first one was you roasting the guy with like 150 elo, had a laugh but just wanted you to know your voice is awesome for commentary
Ah, the classic Grob opening trap
that first 3 minutes was pure magic.
Don't mind me just watching my favorite GRAND MASTER redeem my man Grob by establishing his opening as the definitive opening play
There is a streamer named Blitzstream who drew Magnus Carlsen, the world chess champion by playing a grob. The video is on UA-cam if anyone wish to check it out.
10:40 ah yes, the Rosen special.
Also known as OH NO MY QUEEN
NL the only UA-camr I can watch for like 9 years and still be entertained
I haven't pogged so hard in the first 4 minutes of an NL video in so long. My gourd is full already.
Grob isn't named after anyone actually, it's supposed to be a reversed Borg opening. That's why it's Grob.
it’s named after henri grob, borg is the reverse of that
@@samueldandrea1604 Weird, one of the sources I found said the borg was named such because it was an anti-computer chess tactic, and the grob was just the natural inverse. The more you know.
The opening introduction/explanation and the editing.. we're entering Pog-territory never yet seen on this green Earth.
Side note about the openings name - Grob means "coffin" in russian (гроб check for yourself), which is probably where the opening got it's name but idk
I've always loved the grob, hurts to see people hating on it so hard.
Chess is mathematically figured out, so naturally people would hate on something that would be bad. There are several reasons as to why that opening is bad
@@Zozakaoo7 what on earth are you talking about, "mathematically figured out" Chess is far from being mathematically figured out as you say. And it never will be.
@@turtlepope7802 no, chess is famously an unsolved game. There is not a single software on earth that can play a perfect game of chess.
@@Zozakaoo7 wtf no. Chess is still unsolved. Thats why ai is better at chess than software like stockfish.
@@turtlepope7802 Chess is theoretically solvable but we don't have anywhere near enough computing power to solve it. Checkers took 18 years to be weakly solved, FYI
I love 3 minute chess NL. The blunders are enjoyable. More human feeling
Meme chess is fun but I don’t think I’d ever get tired of NL try hard chess. It’s a ton of fun to hear your thoughts and commentary, but you do you and what’s best for your peace of mind and channel.
3:52 was insanely pogged after that grob opening
God tier editing skills my dude!
Editing poggy
Also meme videos would be really fun from time to time, but I'd prefer most of the videos still being regular games
I was criticising your moves earlier but after the computer analysis every after the game. You were playing the computer best moves that I thought was wrong. Dude you have a future.
It also true in my experience when the best computer move is a King move and you actually play it. It's a bad ass move.
*"Okay we're gonna do the worst opening and try to win with it"*
**10secs later**
*"okay we won"*
10:39 The computer: *Oh no! My queen!*
Judging from the quality of this video really hope he tries the Bongcloud opening
that stalemate trick at the end was actually really instructive XD
3 minutes in and I'm wishing we could have gotten a bonus episode of these extra games. Just need more egg-chess in my veins tbh.
He opened with Grob, the universe is collapsing!!
Can't you see how FRICKED this is?
I want Grob Opening to be NL's signature start! What a name!
the chaos of the first three minutes, as a longtime ennelle viewer, is pure pog
I know this opening (1:g4) as "Grob's Attack"; I've actually never heard it called the Grob Opening, nor have I seen it referenced in books as such. It must be a new name for it, which is strange since it never sees competitive play.
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I like 1:g4 for casual games, despite the drawbacks. The point is actually to suppress Black's king's knight from coming out, by playing g5 rather than defending on g4. It opens up lines for your king's rook, and the knight suppression delays Black's king-side castling long enough to make use of the open files. If the enemy knight goes to e7 to get out, it will need to move again in order to get out of the way of Black's other pieces; the Black king's bishop is trapped back there unless it moves first, so Black's castling is still delayed. You usually attack on both the king and queen side, after the Grob's Attack. You defend your king in the center -- typically by not moving your d and f pawns and playing e3, so that your central pawns aren't too easy to attack or break open. If the opponent castles, you are in position to attack. If the opponent doesn't, you are the one with the most open files and more developed pieces. The opening is not sound against perfect play, which is why it is rated poorly by engines. But humans do not typically react to Grob's Attack anything like engines do, so it actually doesn't matter that much.
Avoid the Sicilian if you’re not familiar with the lines. It’ll put you in tougher spots than just playing something else will
@27:32 why can’t the king just capture the rook in that situation? It seems odd that because white can’t move its king safely he has to play into a stalemate and it’s not considered checkmate on white once the rook is captured. If someone could give me some reasoning to this that’d be great
NL, I love everything about this video
I cannot think of another human on Earth that would play Chess using a Grand Masters suggested worse opening possible. This is beyond imagining.
hats off to our newly crowned GRANDMASTER EGG
i knew you had it in ya
There is a brazilian chess youtuber that does the grob challenge, which is basically play every game with this opening and seeing how much rating you can get. Really fun stuff!
When i started playing chess with my friends again after a long time, the first game I played was me doing the Grob Opening because my pals commented on the websites labeling of it (I didnt know it was called that at the time) nor did I know its reputation as the worst.
BUT, I won that game, so now Grob has a special locale in my heart for that.
GROB OPEN
GROB SMASH
Thanks for the video NL, Can't wait to watch this when I get home from work!
And if thou gaze long into the grob opening, the grob opening will also gaze into thee
That missed stalemate at the end was really clever! Imagine if he had found that, that would have elevated him to NM status at least.
Baron Egg putting the fear of god into the heart's of his opponent's with the enigmatic Grob's Attack!
First game is literally NL flexing his hidden anime potential. Can’t wait for the next arc where we start with him at 3k score.