KTM 790 ADVENTURE R: Is This the Best Adventure Bike on the Market? | Pros & Cons
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
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︾ Hello Riders, welcome to another video this time we are taking a closer look at the KTM 790 Adventure R and asking, is this the best adventure bike currently on the market? Eric is taking us through the pros and cons of the KTM 790 from both his experience with the bike in our tour operation.
》KTM 790 Adventure R SPECS《
Price $12,499/$13,499
Engine Liquid-cooled, DOHC, parallel twin
Displacement 799cc
Bore x Stroke 88.0mm x 65.7mm
Horsepower 95.0 hp @ 8,000 rpm
Torque 65.0 lb.-ft. @ 6,600 rpm
Transmission 6-speed
Final Drive Chain
Seat Height 32.7-33.5/34.6 in.
Rake 25.9/26.3°
Trail 4.2/4.3 in.
Front Suspension 43/48mm, nonadjustable/fully adjustable; 8.7/9.4-in. travel
Rear Suspension Preload adjustable/Fully adjustable; 8.7/9.4-in. travel
Front Tire 90/90-21
Rear Tire 150/70-18
Wheelbase 59.4/60.2 in.
Fuel Capacity 5.3 gal.
Claimed Curb Weight 417 lb.
》KTM 790 Adventure《
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Respect, one of the most honest reviews I have seen on the KTM 790. You are definitely not sponsored by KTM. Its an excellent bike, but reliability is truly a KTM issue.
restless soul, thanks for noticing and mentioning that. Definitely not sponsored by Big Orange. Going to be an interesting comparison of the 790 R and the Tenere 700 coming up, which will further confirm this (and no, we're not sponsored by Yamaha : ) Thanks for commenting, RIDE on!
@@RIDEAdventures Great looking forward to it, as I am in the market for an adventure bike. Was just about to buy a T7 but then corona hit Germany. My around the world trip is delayed, so I can wait and hope for prices to drop. Maybe the Husqvarna Norden 901 will be the more reliable KTM.
@@RIDEAdventures with all respect to your channel seems like you are biased to yamaha
@@nodirnurmatov5401, hmm, no bias intended. Sometimes "natural preference through testing and experience" is mistaken for "bias," but we have no allegiance to any bike brand.
@@restless_soulism, let's hope the Norden is more reliable. Hard to ignore Yamaha's reputation for reliability though, and what a fun bike the T7 is.
No question for me. Its the only bike that actually fits my style of adventure riding. Long distance, fast off road exploring. The T7 was next for me but I needed fuel range and a little more comfort. Not to mention the power is sick on this bad boy. Clean filter in camp, agile as hell and wicked suspension makes it the bike.
Ha, ha, the "clean filter" was a great nod to the powerplant on this 790 beast. Glad if you're enjoying, there's plenty of reason to do so. Thanks for sharing.
Can t7 suspension be upgraded
Thank you for this real review not just a overview like most calling it a review. An that you are truly honest about you experiences with the machine good and the bad. NEED more true reviews like you do sir. Breath of fresh air
Joshua, thanks for the great feedback. It gets even more interesting 4 Tuesdays from now, when we release the comparison of the Tenere 700 and the 790 Adventure R.
I really appreciate your honest and detailed videos, thank you! Everything has its pros and cons and that includes all motorcycles. I own a 790 R, my 4th bike ever, and by far my favorite to date with over 20 years of riding. I looked at most of the mid-sized ADV bikes out there but this one lined up best for me and I'm having a blast on it. Pros for me were electronics (they work amazingly well off-road & easy to change on the fly), HP (for the road), torque, high-end adjustable suspension, cruise control, and a quick-shifter that is a game-changer. The traction control and suspension saved my tail from falling on steep climbs and muddy surfaces numerous times, it's like I have a wizard in the engine. Zero issues so far with the bike and many videos out there of people pushing this bike crazy hard off-road that are also loving it with zero issues. I like the looks of the bike too and it looks even better dirty. The engine sound takes getting used to, even my wife asked if the bike should sound like that - ha!. I also feel that KTM should include the quick-shifter instead of paying $300+ for a software update, really? What I really need is an ADV riding lesson from you! Thanks again!
M Alvarez, thanks for sharing. Indeed, the electronics/sensitivity restrictions are well-refined, but those of us who prefer to just turn all that off are annoyed by constantly have to re-turn them off.....every time restarting the engine. ---- Keep an eye on our Adventure Riding Training Series on the Channel, as we're hoping to share any info that helps. --- Enjoy that beast, and RIDE on!
I own a 2020 790 R. And to be transparent, I recently returned from an 18 day trip over almost 4100 miles riding WABDR (1-4) and IDBDR in the process. The bike was flawless and is an absolute beast. The cons listed are knit-picking idiosyncrasies. The fuel gauge at first bugged me but there’s so much range that I never had to worry about it. Just reset trip 1 and pay attention if you’re going to be cutting it close. But with 250-280 miles (one stretch riding with a guy who couldn’t go over 60 mph on his geared-down DZ I would have gotten 330+ on the tank). It’s annoying at first but the weight design trade off is well worth it.
Just like there’s no “perfect” woman, there is no absolutely perfect motorcycle. But having owned many, this is as close as it gets for me! I love this bike and the pros are just so incredible. If you want to build a bike, buy the T700. If you want a ready-made race bike, buy the KTM. I’m not sure how this bike will hold up over the years, but it’s been fantastic so far. If You’re complaining about the magnets on the oil filters inside the motor, you’re really looking for stuff to complain about. LOL.
Yep, as we said in the video, we were "being a little picky." Glad you're not having problems with your 790, but please trust: For anyone who works as a motorcycle touring/rental operator, and has the number of glitches we do with the 790's, AND has the constantly-looming concern over their shoulder about when the many OTHER reported issues from riders might pop-up, the "pickiness" in our Con's section is probably better appreciated. It's one thing for a Rider to be responsible for their own bike. It's another when a Team of people, working for a living, are responsible for that bike, while a Customer may be riding it hundreds of miles from a reasonable shop, parts, etc. All while that person is trying to enjoy an international riding vacation : ) --- Thanks for sharing though.....good info, and RIDE on!
I don t know what other bikes you had, but the 790 is simply a piece of crap: sound of engine, total lack of power at low RPM, bad suspension, butter soft rims, tremor of front suspension when braking, etc.
@@andreibichescu5444 interesting perspective. I still have had no issues and continue to enjoy the bike immensely. The sound of the engine is awful, I’ll give you that. But it runs like a supermoto with knobbies on the highway, and eats up trails equally well.
I haven’t owned many other street bikes as I was mostly a desert rider for years on motocross/enduro bikes so I don’t have much to compare it too. I did ride my buddy’s GS 1250 and it was nice, but that was only on road. Much heavier feel though. But for what I do, it’s been a great bike!
Awesome review! Love the tips&tricks that you´ve worked out.
Ole, thanks for the great feedback. More videos ahead, every other Tuesday.
Another great video, thanks.
Bobby Bob, thanks for the great feedback, and RIDE on!
I have 7600 trouble free km on my 2020 790 R. I did make one improvement and replaced the Karoo 3s with Anakee Wilds 400 km ago. I absolutely live the bike.
And may the greatness of that bike roll on sans issues! We love it.
Very honest and insightful review. I bleed Orange somewhat but the T7 cannot be ignored and deserves strong consideration as well in this class.
Paul, well said. Thanks for commenting. I still have some Orange Blood as well, with my '04 950 Adventure S being the bike that got me down to South America and back, and into the rest of this.
Great videos! This time for Suzuki 650xt please
Had the engine dying all of a sudden on the 390 duke 2014 model, it was scary especially during corners. No fix was available.
Very informative video, thanks.
Mithun Kartha, thanks for sharing. Yikes, and 5 minutes ago, I got another text from a Rider out on a 790 rental with the MTC light coming on randomly, while riding on simple, flat pavement. --- Love Big Orange, but they gotta get their act together.
Review is supposed to be like this
Great review!
Thanks : ) More ahead.
Great review. Only additional con I can think of is that you have to pay extra to unlock cruise control and rally mode etc. Kind of petty, but worth it.
Great, honest review.I have had mine for over a year now (see a 12 months review on my channel). I do get an "ignition key error" ever so often but no other problems so far.
If your oil cap is hard to remove and you actually CAN move your tank upwards and to the side the tank is not mounted properly. Mine does not move and the oil cap is easy to remove.
Glad if your 790 is holding up well, for the most part. We've had others (690 Enduro) that just need that key-off/key-on fix every once in a while, too. ---- Just filing down the edges of the oil cap was enough, but yea, tugging upward on the tank a little flexes it as you know. Thanks for sharing.
Looking forward to the comparison bet 790 and T7. Tons of views...
Alex, great note, thanks, and yea, the Tenere 700 vs. 790 Adventure R video is on its way (in post-production right now....releasing soon.) RIDE on!
Bought mine yesterday. Picking her up at the weekend. Such an amazing bike to ride, anywhere and everywhere. Coming from an 1190R. They have made the bike FEEL how I wanted the 1190 to feel. The weight is in the right place both on road and off.
I love the adjustability of the suspension and how wide the range of use is. And that quickshifter is a dream to use! Doesn't have the wild banshee power levels of an LC8 motor but.. honestly, with the quickshifter keeping the traction on the pinned back upshifts. I don't think she's much slower at all until north of 100mph.
Enjoy that new bike! Yea, still a great power-to-weight ratio, that doesn't need all the LC8's are putting out. Enjoy the added agility and fun riding ahead, and thanks for commenting.
Great video, thanks! Already made my choice and went with the T7. No regrets on my part, only thing lacking are my skills, as the bike can do all I'm capable of and more! Cheers and ride safe
Allen, thanks for the note, and you made a fine decision. We love the 790 (and all those KTM quirks) but in terms of "bang for your buck"......our upcoming Tenere 700 vs. 790 Adventure R video will have you smiling. RIDE on!
KTM just needs a bit more love then other bikes in terms of reliability😅 i love my SMCR and i surely get a EXC 500 and a 790 for some adventuring together with my son. Thanks for the video and greetings from Germany
How does this compare to the 2018 Africa Twin Adventure Sports you are usually riding? Similar or miles apart and why? Thanks and nice reviews.
Aaron, good question. In summary: Same athleticism, style of bike, etc. Riders may want to choose according to their stature, as the +/- 80 lb difference and overall stature of these 2 bikes makes a difference. The other biggest difference: The Africa Twin is an incredible, reliable, dependable value and great 'bang for your buck," whereas the 790 Adventure R is coming out as being a (slightly/possibly) problematic, probably over-priced, continuing expense that is a lot of fun to ride : )
Absolutely magnificent bike even in the most arduous rocky single track conditions.
The choice I would make for trekking across South America or Asia is the T7.
Well put. Love the bike when riding it......but not sure it'll always be available for a ride, like some others. Thanks for sharing.
Excellent video. I am thinking of one of these, primarily for road riding. Back in the mid 00s I had a 950 Adventure which I romped round Europe on twice. Great bike to tour on. I am living in Thailand now, in the far north, and I was delighted to learn that a KTM shop has opened in the city. And they have one of these for sale. Obviously last year's model as they have been discontinued, but if I can get the price down a little, I may well buy it. At the moment I have a Duke 390 over here. Fun but you spend all day changing gear.
Loved my 950 Adventure S as well, and it started every time I pushed the button (as long as I had a spare fuel pump with me : ) during 2 years of living/riding South America. Be sure to check out the T7's as well if you're shopping, and thanks for commenting.
@@RIDEAdventures The T7 doesn't do it for me and anyway, the nearest dealer Yamaha dealer is in Chiang Mai 190 km away. I am further north in Chiang Rai. Yep, the 950 was brilliant. No problem with my fuel pump. Just the Maguro clutch slave cylinder.
Great sum up of this bike! Ofc this is just a detail, but i can't se the fuelgage as a con, it's brilliant. I would have been fine with a light for half tank and a light for reserve and this i pretty much how it works but grafically. Can't see anything on the market that i would concider instead, except for the new 690 or 701. With that said, i have not yet had it in the shop except from sceduled services. A pure funpark to ride.
Yep, quite a machine. Next video coming up Sunday will compare the 790 to the Tenere 700. Good one : ) Thanks for sharing.
Loved the review especially the KLANKITY KLANK sound part..😁😁😁.. The brakes is something I have always felt to be could have been better considering the power it offers. Overall a well-rounded product. Good one..❤️
Dinesh, interesting someone else just commented positively about the 790's brakes below. And yea, that Klankity Klank is kinda kool. Like the older Ducati clutches, there's something to love about it....but when a Rider lights that bad boy up at Starbucks, it may turn some heads : ) Thanks for the compliment, and RIDE on!
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Nice review. Any plans to review the ktm 390 adventure? Thx! Keep up the good work!
It's on our list, but we've gotta get another camera personality to test it. Eric could ride it of course, but it's just not a practical-sized bike for him to comment on realistically, given his dimensions.
RIDE Adventures I sat on one. I’m 6’3” 215 plus gear. It didn’t feel tiny. Just like the Versys-x 300, it’s full sized. Just saying give it a go, I think he talks well about sizing of people and bikes. Thx for the reply.
@@davidsnipes7297, we'll get something up about the 390 for sure. Long list of videos now in post-production, but thanks for the encouragement and suggestion.
Fantastic in depth review! Most of these points are not mentioned on other reviews.
Wheelie Perd, thanks for that note. More video reviews ahead, so please stay tuned : )
@@RIDEAdventures Already subscribed because of your off road training videos! Cant wait for more reviews.
@@WheeliePerd, thanks for that note and reminder that we have more training videos to do. Next one is about the riding gear I've relied on as a guide over the years, and we'll hit some more riding/training topics, soon. Thanks!
Hi guys... Thinking of making the plunge into adventuire biking. 2 questions. 1. What accessories did you put on your KTM? 2. What bike is best for the ladies? was thinking KLR650 for her with a 4" reduce lift kit. Any info or ideas would be great. Great channel - liked and subbed.
Tom, thanks for Subbing and the kind words. -- 1) We keep bikes pretty close to stock, except for crash protection. So we put AXP skidplates on the 790's, and I think that was it? (They are in Baja now and I am not.) And 2) The KLR could work out fine, but may be best to stick with a bike's original geometry, so something like a Yamaha XT250 should be considered, depending on the type of riding you'll be doing. CB500X is another great, reliable, fairly low seat option if you're planning some paved miles. Here's the fun part though: Some good in-person bike shopping will help her be sure : ) So have fun with that.
@@RIDEAdventures Thanks a bunch for the feedback. We will be hitting the shops this weekend and your advice is on our minds.
My Yamaha FJR1300 had an ignition switch recall and a ground spider wiring harness recall and Yamaha is overall very reliable. The only issue I've had with my R is faulty brake switches that left the brake light on. Once repaired, all good. No other reliability issues. The performance capability of this bike on and off road is amazing which is a massive PRO!
Excellent, glad if KTM got yours set up right, cause yea, the 790 R is a blast when that wrist gets twisted. Enjoy that p'd-off engine, and thanks for commenting. RIDE on!
iam going to buy the ktm 390 adv ... wish me good luck :> honest review thanks.
n3r0k, have a great time with that new bike then, and thanks for the note. We're hearing great things about that 390, so RIDE on!
Just finished a 2 day and 1000k ride on my 17” cb500x. Over 600k on dirt and River cross with football size river rocks and steep rock gardens. The bike did really well. I was attempting to keep up with 3 790’s and they just smoked it. I now have a honda for sale and a bid on a790. Wish me luck.
Ha, ha, good luck with the bid, and if it doesn't go, there'll always be others. Enjoy the jump in power-to-weight ratio and what's ahead : )
Any bike u buy u can nit-pick. Japanese bikes are know for reliability but if u look at what ktm is doing with the technology u get for the price it’s outstanding. Even a 28,000 bmw Gs has problems. A tale as old as time gentleman. If u love riding the bike u got then your a winner
yeah! 🔥
It's quite a bike.
Thanks for the honest review am buying Ténéré 700. 😎
You'll love it! Great bike. Enjoy, and thanks for sharing.
It’s not a one off. Every 790R owner I’ve talked to has had similar problems. The first month I owned mine it’s was at the dealer for issues for 2 1/2 weeks of that. Cruise control quit working and they had to fly in a KTM tech to try and fix it. I also had a countershaft oil leak and condensation in the TFT screen. I’m hoping my problems are behind me but I’m not holding my breath.
In the rental biz with these bikes, we sure are hoping, too. Thanks for sharing.
Solid Honest review... dig KTM harder in the ribs... they need it. Cons:- most of them you noted well, you skipped past the Clutch issue quickly.. it’s more than a clutch issue, the bike has a fundamental oil lubrication issue.. drying out the clutch, causing debris to brake of the plates and block oil ports throughout the engine leading to lack of upper cam lubrication and trimming chain jumping off... KTM are full aware of this BUT can’t sort issue and choose to IGNORE Customer Complaints.. so SAD...🙈
Ha, ha, okay, no holding back on the ribbing in the next video (which will be the T700 vs. 790 Adventure R, in post-production to be released a few weeks from now.) ----- Yea, we sort of just mentioned the clutch issue, so at least folks can look into it themselves and be informed before buying. So many highlights about the bike, too bad about the Cons. Thanks for commenting. Come on, KTM, there's still a lot of love out there for Big Orange.
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Thanks for taking the time to reply...I’ve owned lots of KTM’s and generally tolerated there issues because they are great bikes... but this one has really bit me in the Arse..complained to KTM UK and Austria..🙈 they don’t want to know..if I wasn’t passionate about the bikes it wouldn’t of Hurt so much🙈🙈🙈
@@BillCairns, Big Orange can be like a misbehaving dog. Sometimes a pain in the arse, but still getting so much love from us. Peeing on the carpet, but then letting out just the right little growl and tail-wag before kicking up some dirt, and all of a sudden we forget the bad stuff again : )
What tires are you running on this bike? Great way to summarize the bike.. i love mine!!!
We switched this one to the MotoZ Tractionator GPS, and are getting good feedback from customers out riding.
@@RIDEAdventures Hey thanks man. I may give them a try.
Had a 1290 nothing but issues. Got a 2020 Africa Twin couldn’t be happier
MT-01, thanks for sharing. Riders are learning from these videos, and the comments, so all such info helps. Glad you like the AT, too. Just a tough, all-around, great value.
what is the most importent thing of a bike ? My opinion is that it would never let me down because of some technical issues. I use KTM only for sport. For distance rides, i need something that takes me home..... i totally trust in japanese engeneering.
Great bike, but I like to do a lot of solo riding and wanted a bike that I had confidence in its reliability/quality. When u have to shave down the oil cap to make it easier to get off it just screams sloppy to me. Ended up choosing the Tenere which uses the CP2 engine; some German study found it to be the most reliable engine made. Add in the fact that the Tenere has virtually no electronics (which may be a bad thing for some) it’s just a slew of other things that I don’t have to worry about malfunctioning. Is the Tenere perfect? Despite its relatively light weight it’s an incredibly difficult bike to lift back up because it’s so top heavy with a full tank of gas. I have no problem getting it up on asphalt but in off road conditions (sand, mud,ruts) it’s absolutely exhausting and at times has taken every ounce of “I don’t want to be stuck here for 5 hours” strength to get it back up! Actually had to cut one trip short because I became completely exhausted. Of course there is usually a solution for everything and found a portable jack that can lift the bike to about 70 deg making lifting the bike a simple hip check. Probably would have sold it otherwise because I couldn’t ride it as aggressive as I wanted when alone.
Congrats on the T7, which may be ....the perfect bike. It's like right in the middle of all things we might want to do, while being nicely-priced (in the U.S. anyway) and hella reliable. Thanks for sharing.
I've owned a 1290 S for a year and it's been almost faultless, so there's hope.
Jeff G, glad to hear it. A Rider just texted in today, renting one of the 790's and telling us about the MTC light randomly coming on while riding. ----- Love the Big Orange for sure, maybe it's cause of all the character. Thanks for sharing.
1290 R the only fault I’ve had with it is the rider.
Soooo, were you saying the bike looks good in the sane way the genius Rodney Dangerfield was saying it in Caddy Shack? That is the way I am saying it.
I LOVE my Japanese T7
Awesome video as always. Enjoyed it.
Infamously Unknown, ha, ha, and thanks for the thumbs up : ) We all miss Rodney. Stay tuned, as an upcoming video compares this 790 Adventure R against your Tenere 700, and the sentiments we have for that T7 may be similar to yours. Great bike. RIDE on!
Between KTM 790 Adv R, Ténéré 700 and Tiger 900 Rally pro trio, each to their own of slightly different focus. Like tiger 900 rally a bit more personally
It truly does come down to the individual rider, and what they plan on doing with the bike, eh. Plus, whether they want reliability or possible ongoing glitches : )
Always nteresting how KTM borrowed from BMW and engineered a low-mounted Boxer motor by splitting the fuel tank. I’d get this over a Tenere for sure.
Great review. I was ready to sell my AT and 690 to buy the 790. After a test ride I determined it just was not for me. Sold the AT and loving my 690. Fits me perfect!
Thanks!
frostbitevinnie, the AT and 690 are such great bikes. If looking for something new, don't forget to check that Tenere 700. Thanks for sharing and the great feedback.
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I have checked out the T7 and honestly the 690 does all I need it to do. I ride mostly gravel here in Central, MN. The end of my block gravel starts and I can pretty much ride all gravel from here to past Montana. I live in paradise!😁
701 LR is compelling. I need highway touring ability so 790 better choice for overall. What didn’t you like after 790 test ride?
@@reinhart482 I liked the 790 just fine but still too big for my taste. I rarely ride highway anymore so the 690 does all I need it to do.
frostbitevinnie I see. Looking forward to 490 adventure r . I’m coming from 1190 adventure. How many miles would you ride the 690 on a road trip comfortably?
I love my 790R, but know it isn't perfect. Perfect doesn't exist. But, it is amazing! What shocked me was how it seemingly rattles. I was surprised that didn't make it onto your list. I've not lost a bolt and haven't figured out the source of it. Along with what you mentioned I think the brakes are a Pro as well. Cheers
FanOWater, we haven't noticed any particular spots rattling (other than that engine:) but yea, it's a good idea for all of us to regularly check some key bolts/spots, etc. anyway. Especially people riding off-pavement, on washboard, etc. ----- You're right, the brakes are pretty well done. Only frustration we have there is the constant re-setting of ABS settings (on/off) when the engine restarts and such. Thanks for commenting, and RIDE on!
@@RIDEAdventures Keep your eye on the side stand bolt! I think having to reset the ABS is for safety/legal reasons. Isn't that normal for all bikes? I run the bike in offroad mode in the dirt and it doesn't change back when I turn off the ignition.
@@FanOWater, good tip on the bolt, thanks. We go over each bike between rentals as such. ------ Yes, sounds right that DOT regulations get mixed into these ABS settings and such, but I have watched the 790 switch from ABS-off back to ON .....while I was riding. Yes, they seem to maintain Off Road mode and such even after killing the engine, but those of us who want MTC/ABS completely off while riding, need to reset it as such.......every......single......time we restart the engine. Disaster by KTM (Yes, supposedly a dongle might rectify the situation, but that's another issue for a rental operation.)
Great, honest review. We need more like this. Like so many, I’m debating between the 790 and T7. I SO want to love the KTM, but that reliability AND serviceability scare me. When can we expect your T7 review?
Curt, thanks for the kind note. It'll be about 3 Tuesdays from now, we'll release our comparison of the T7 and 790 R. However look at our video from 2 weeks ago for the Tenere 700 Pros and Cons video, it's up already.
I totally agree with you, I have the same issues. If I stayed home close to my dealer, I would not be worried. But planing an around the world trip for at least 2 years, I need a very reliable bike. The Japanese make the top 5 list, and Yamaha leads that list. However, from experience I can say there are no bikes with ZERO problems but bikes with less problems are my preference at the moment. Also, I need a simple bike that a mechanic from a small village in central Asia can fix. The less tech and software, the less potential problems for me.
@@restless_soulism, if you want reliable/simple, some might say then that the best bike is like a 1980 R80GS. Simple. No electronics, etc. But yea, if you don't want to go that 'retro,' then something like the Tenere 700, or Honda Africa Twin might be right for the job. --- Have fun on that trip....who knows what it could turn into : )
@@RIDEAdventures I was just about to order the T7 before Corona hit, so my plans are on hold. It will probably take one year for things to normalize, maybe more. I am also planning to buy a Yamaha T7 Uprated OEM Shock Spring to adjust for my total weight, it costs only 97$ plus Yamaha T7 Fork Preload Caps for 290$, both from Rally Raid. With just 400$ you can optimize the suspension and front fork sag settings. You don’t need to spend big money. I have heard about the R80GS but I also like the KLR 650. As you know, the GS tops the sales list in Germany. But I am not a GS or BMW fan, I also don’t like Harleys. These are 2 subjective prejudices I obtained during my youth. By the way, BMW shockingly had the 2nd highest repair rate with 40%, I guess Bavarian quality is a myth now. Yamaha had the lead with 11%. Africa Twin is too heavy, 50kg difference to T7? At the moment, the only contender would be the KTM 790 but like I said, need reliability and simplicity. I believe the T7 provides that. If you want cheaper, maybe a Royal Enfield Himalayan. There is talks of a 650 Himalayan coming in the future. I also love how the Husky Norden 901 looks, maybe they will bring a 700 version too. I have 1 year to see what happens. Hope prices keep falling, after the US Market is saturated and demand goes down for the T7. What do you think about the T7 Rally Edition? I am kind of disappointed, just OEM accessories added.
@@restless_soulism, we have been saddened to see the BMW quality standard & reputation plummet over the years, while the brand remains so extremely "proud" in regards to pricing. But yea, with a few nice pieces you mentioned, that T7 might be the greatest value out there, perfectly fun and reliable. --- The T7 Rally seems like an offer for folks who like blue, and don't want to add all the parts themselves. Not sure of the value proposition, but it, and the standard version are really great bikes.
Great review. KTM make great bikes, no doubt. Never owned one myself though. The 790 to me is ugly, or at least they should change the headlight, the rest looks good. Power= Yes! Low COG/great handling= Yes!Great suspension setup=Yes! Great price=NO! Reliability= Seems like a NO! Too many cons that could become costly in my book though. I still prefer Japanese reliability.
Paul, yea, those headlights don't look as good as what Yamaha put on the new Tenere 700 for example. Watch for our next video comparing the T7 and 790 Adventure R, and thanks for commenting.
Haha my 640 adventure had the same problem with the ignition barrel! Besides it’s other little pieces of problem parts
Jess, KTM might have used some leftover 640 barrels in the 790 then : ) We're not seeing much from other riders about this online. One post said we have to come to a complete stop before turning off the bike, or the headlights will stay on. (That's great, KTM. Thanks if so :) ---- Anyway, thanks for sharing.
I own a 790R but i think Tenere is prob a better option for me after riding one. .
I bought the ktm as i have always owned ktm bikes. eh it doesnt matter as i love the 790R anway. I just dont need the extra power.
The extra horsepower is nice sometimes, but definitely not necessary for exploration. Enjoy out there and thanks for watching.
Thumbs Up 👍 for the ballsy (funny) review - yep it's too small for you Eric (and me 6'2") - and Let's be fully honest about the weight vs the advertising - they made it lighter by leaving off/omitting the rally Fairing - gone - missing, omitting the crash bars gone, and omitting the center stand too - then tubeless haha - and a paper-thin lower bash plate - yeah sure it's lighter? really... Get ready for a hot rear shock, and hot rear brake. so glad you like the looks, personally I think gerald.kiska's orange-shock campaign has run 15 years too long and is the major reason I won't even consider it KTM's atm looking like plastic-insects with huge truck-sized headlights. The Africa Twin and the Tenere are handsome bikes. The Norden too.. you're right about Engine noise - The first time I started up a 790 engine I called my KTM mechanic friend - to listen to it over the phone... I was convinced it was damaged. And realistically the engine is weak below 3500rpm and stalls easy. My partners 790 went back 7 times under warranty for Oil leaks, coolant leaks and screen issues. The T7 is the best middleweight and Australian sales have it firmly at #1, the 790A in 6th place.
2 Meerkats, good points. "Barely passable" introduction to the market, eventually quite a bit heavier once fitted. Then again, KTM is not the only ones doing this (Africa Twin, no centerstand, etc. Part of that of course is for sticker price in the showroom.) ---- The funny thing about that engine noise: From a metallurgical perspective, such banging and clanging makes it hard to imagine an engine being a very long-term, high mileage engine. Without rebuild. Ultra curious to know who's going to put the biggest number on these things. Thanks for sharing.
I hope you can do a test review of the Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro
We'll add it to the list, and hope to get'er done soon (although we don't have a Triumph dealer here in Central Oregon.) Be sure to Subscribe and hit the Notifications button, and thanks for commenting.
@@RIDEAdventures I'm curious to this as well. I am in the market by year end (Merry Christmas to me) and my short list is KTM 790R and the Tiger 900 RP. I've watched other reviews that the KTM is the more dirt capable bike, but being in Central TX I have a long ride to get to some good mountain dirt . . . soooo ;-)
@@DanMarquette, maybe we'll get hands on a Tiger 900, but again, don't have plans to buy Triumphs for the rental fleet until we have a dealer nearby. ---- Don't forget to check out the Tenere 700. We released that video review 2 weeks ago, and have a 700 vs. 790 video coming up. Merry Christmas : )
I am considering Tiger 900 Rally Pro
I bought a 2019 790 (s) model. I like the bike but it’s far from perfect. Brake line recall, radiator leaks, mine starts like a carb does on a cold day, just hit 600 miles did the first service so can’t speak on long term. I do like the bike but sometimes I wonder if I should have bought a GS instead.
Yea, we forgot to mention that starting issue. What a great bike, were it not for the glitches. Thanks for sharing. Others are reading and taking note.
I wouldn't say the split tank is an issue...when it starts to indicate you still have like 150-200 km worth of fuel which is pretty much the amount that most of the bikes in this class show in the first place, so I don't really see the issue here.
Yea, it's not so bad, especially given the low-weight benefits. When doing our rental check-ins, we're sure to mention it, but first-time riders of the 790 Adventures have forgotten, or not had their glasses on (small "1/2" indicator) or whatever, and stretched the fuel pretty thin a few times. Thanks for sharing.
For me I'm going to wait a few years and see what they do with this bike. It looks really promising, but still a bit quirky.
Already changed to an 890, so yea, changes likely. RIDE on!
@@RIDEAdventures KTM always rushes their products to market, and later refine with time. Better to wait, than to regret.
Does it need engine guards or the tank is sufficient?
Good question. We (nor our Rental Customers) have 'put one down' hard enough yet to really confirm that. Hoping to avoid doing so. KTM did built a much stronger than normal tank, meant to take some hits....and the skidplate we're using sure will help. Anyone out there have any crash stories with specifics to share?
RIDE Adventures I’ve gone down pretty hard a few times and the stock tank guards have worked well for me. One time I had to loosen them up and realign the tabs they slide into because I torqued it pretty good. But otherwise, no issues.
@@armedresistance1776, thanks, excellent to know, and perhaps further crash protection won't be so necessary on that cool feature KTM built.
A great bike that has all the right points in all the right parameters... Except reliability. The amount of problems that people are reporting is just too damn high for this price point.
And we could say "1st/2nd season jitters," but yea, some work to do. Thanks for commenting.
Is that the bike I am riding in 5 days? Getting excited about coming west. See you next week!
Butch, cool to see your name pop-up! Yep, that's one of them (we have others) and yea, as you know....what a riot of a bike to ride. See you soon, and thanks for commenting.
Sorry... My comment below should read "... Miami to South Africa"... Huge ride.
Sounds like a fun trip, that may start with a boat or plane ride : )
@@RIDEAdventures Hahah. Miami to Toronto --> Fly to London --> Spain --> boat to Morocco --> South Africa. Should be fun. Meet family at end for Safari --> Home.
@@Coldgecko Excellent way to do it! Sort of the "Long Way Round." Enjoy.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING. SUCH A EXPENSIVE BIKE AND THE ENGINE IS MADE IN CHINA? NO WONDER THERE ARE RELIABILITY ISSUES WITH IT. I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT BIKE TO REPLACE MY KTM 690 ENDURO R MOTORCYCLE (2012 MODEL) THAT I PURCHASED BRAND NEW AND HAVE TRAVELED 103,000 KILOMETERS ON. I REALLY HAVE TO CONSIDER THE YAMAHA TENERE 700 MOTORCYCLE NOW.
But the 790 Adventure R might turn out to have a good, long-term engine. I guess we have yet to see a big number of km's from somebody out there yet though. Who has the most on the clock? Anyone? But yea, it probably won't get as much as one of the Big 4 bike brands. Fun bike though :)
RIDE Adventures given that you have a lot of experience on the old somewhat unreliable 690, wouldn’t the new 690 be a great replacement. No valve rocker issues, more power, modern electronics, smoother motor and 40 kg + lighter than the 790. If you are serious about dirt riding, low weight is everything.
@@grayl5514, if you mean for the new 690 to replace the 790? Sure, depending on what terrain we're riding. It's kind of like comparing apples with oranges in my mind though, with the contrast between single and twin-cylinder bikes. If we're riding Single track, and tight 2-track.....gimme the 690. As soon as we're on fireroads that aren't too whooped-out, or pavement with some long hauls, I want that 2nd cylinder on the 790. So where are we riding, and what percentage of each terrain type? Ahh....who cares, as long as we're riding : ) Thanks for asking.
Made in Austria, get your facts straight...8k miles, Never a motor issue on my KTM.
According to one article I read today, as from September the 790’s will be made in China.
Arrg, now I’m paralyzed! 10,000 hours of youtube reviews and a couple of road test rides… Buying either the 790 or the 2020 Africa Twin. Height is not an issue. 75% day trips on local fire roads, nothing super technical. Occasional overnights, would like to do longer touring but unsure if it will ever really happen other than maybe a BDR maybe once or twice. Was going with the Africa Twin, then settled on the 790 for the lower weight and better(?) off-road handling. Now you have me rethinking. This will most likely be my last bike - for an older, mediocre rider am I going to be happier on the twin or the 790? Help!
Ha, ha, the fun of 'the hunt' as we shop for the right decision. Not to commit these 790's to a future of problems, but they're not necessarily better handling off-pavement than the AT's are, and seem to come with plenty more reliability issues. The better handling of the two would mostly be decided upon a person's stature matching according to the bigger/smaller bike. Bigger/heavier of course is always more to wrestle with on tight trails and such, but if you're not doing such, and your stature is enough for the bigger bike, then the AT's reliability, low-cost, and great value might be appreciated. We'll do a comparison video, soon, and not to confuse things....but if you like the more middle-weight 790......don't forget to look at that new Tenere 700. What a value!
Have you considered a simple 701LR? I want 790r next but 701 might be all that is really needed especially since they have bosch electronics now.
@@reinhart482 Oohh, wasn't even aware of this one. Looks like the LR may not be in the US yet. I'll keep a lookout.
why am i watching this now after making down payment for 2021 890... the list of issues is more than half of the vdo.. damn
Umair, maybe it'll work out fine and you won't have problems. Yes, each of our rental 790's has had to go back to the shop prematurely for some sub-5000 mile surprise issue. But others have reported having zero issues, and only a lot of fun. Good luck and have fun with it, and we do appreciate if you'll share how it's going for you. Thanks for commenting.
The magnets and the screens what problem I replace mine at each oil change with new ones NO PROBLEM
Dean, that's another way of doing it. But they could have made the plastic holder for the magnet separable, or at least to expose the magnet a bit somehow so we don't have to throw away parts that are otherwise perfectly good for re-use. Having the magnet buried a bit reduces the velocity of oil flow around the magnet, allowing the metal fragments to adhere more constantly....but, yea, what a silly little pain to clean.
You did one of the BEST reviews I have ever seen... Its totally honest. Your not a fanboy -- you just give real facts. But lets get to business. I'm 5'9" so smaller. I rode a 1200GSA through South America - perfect size because off-road is 20% comfort on that machine -- 100%. Then I took a 2019 F850GSA from Miami to Thailand -- 35% off-road -- very good bike -- comfort but heavy. Now I'm going from Miami to South America -- 50% off-road hopefully. I need a light bike because I will probably be alone. I have been really thinking about KTM. Biggest issue is "Reliability". KTM's reliability scares the shit out of me. BMW's virtually never breakdown. I've passed thousands of adventure travelers and most are on BMW -- 2% on KTM because they break. Do you think this 790 is better now? I really care. I would love the lighter weight -- but not at the expense of breaking down in Africa with no parts or bad software. Thoughts? I still own my 2018 R1200GSA and 2019 F850GSA too I do have options.
Cold Gecko, thanks for the great feedback. ----- Yep, as others have commented, the KTM 790's are scaring us a little with the # of little issues that can pop-up, and so it would be a challenge to profess total-outright love for their bikes. BMW's, unfortunately, have suffered a bit in terms of reliability/quality the past 6-7 years or so as well. ----- In our motorcycle rental operations, there's a shift toward more Honda/Yama/Kawa/Suzuki, as there is no denying these are THE most reliable brands out there. Did you see our video from 2 weeks ago about the Yamaha Tenere 700? Have a look on our Channel, and then see the video we'll release about 3 weeks from now comparing the Tenere 700 to the 790 Adventure R. The results.....the opinion......will be surprising some folks. Tenere vid: ua-cam.com/video/XsJTztRwem4/v-deo.html
@@RIDEAdventures I'm too short for a tall bike like that. I lower everything when I get my bikes -- 1200GSA and F850GSA. If I got the 790, it would be the "S". So with your experience -- do you think the 790 is as reliable as the GSA's? I have to admit, I have been with tons of riders around the world and have seen very few issues with BMW and I'm not a fanboy... I'm just looking for a reliable ride without drama. I've seen so many KTM's broken down... But I really want one for its weight -- so do you think KTM has finally nailed it or is equal to the BMW?
@@Coldgecko, keep in mind that the Tenere being more narrow, the height of it might work out for you. ----- Too soon to say for sure about the 790's. We have problems sometimes with BMW's (electronics, etc.) in rental operations, too, and year after year, it's crystal clear to us: Some of the Beemers and KTMs will keep going with few failures, but absolutely no brand beats the Big 4 in terms of reliability.
The only problem for the 790 is the 890.
Is it gud for 5.8 ft indian guy
Unfortunately, not a question we can answer. All depends on your leg/inseam and other factors, so best is to stop by a dealership and confirm in person. Have fun!
We still waiting for the KTM 790 and Tenere 700 in Brazil!🤦🏻♂️🇧🇷
Both? Wow. Watch for our comparison review of these two bikes coming out on our Channel this Sunday morning.
@@RIDEAdventures And there's no expectations about when and if will arrive.
That computer resetting really makes KTM weak. And why not a fuel sensor for each tank? I mean you have a TFT screen so you don't need two physical gauages...it would have been a really neat little thing to see on the screen. Mechanical quirks you kinda have deal with always, but electronic/computer nuisances are unforgivable and have turned me off on this bike.
toltod, interesting, and you're right, a sensor on each side, and software showing the average of the two tanks seems reasonable. Hope KTM is watching : ) ---- Yea though, the number of quirks/software annoyances on the 790's can't be overlooked at this point. Comparison video of the complicated 790 and the "nice and simple" Tenere 700 will publish this Sunday, around 6am Pacific Time. Thanks for commenting.
It's nice to see an honest review! The Yamaha looks better, has better reliability, easier to work on (less specialty tools) and is thousands of dollars cheaper. Sorry KTM.
Yea, our comparison of the 2 bikes coming up in 2.5 weeks will reinforce this.
@@RIDEAdventures thanks for the quick reply. I just found your channel and it deserves way more views and subscribers!
@@volkoff6357, thanks for that great feedback. We enjoy making the videos, and seeing such feedback....very much!
it is a supremo, really is
I've had a couple KTMS and definitely quality control issues.
Lawman FL, and yet, so many of us still bleed a little Orange. Maybe it's out of hope that they finally give us Top 4 dependability someday.
@@RIDEAdventures .....I have switched to Husky. Yes I know.....but I can find the oil leaks on yellow much easier...ha, ha!
@@Lawman-196, that's the spirit. The bright side : )
You really have to want that brand to buy a bike with that many known, significant issues.
Just ride ending, life threatening stranded issues.
Of these listed, the fuel tank precision and oil cap would be the only thing worth overlooking. Brett tcak also broke the entire brake arm during a class. Just terrible build quality.
Unfortunate, cause so many of us love the performance of the KTM's. Thanks for sharing.
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701
Great numbers/bikes as well, but kind of like comparing apples with oranges I feel, with 1 vs. 2 cylinders.
Pros: low weight, low center of gravity, suspensions.
Cons: engine loves high rpm (good for a washing machine, imo), small overall dimensions, zero wind protection, too high price for a bike with the engine made in China (by CFmoto).
Giulio, well said! It's an exciting bike for sure, and long-term owners are likely to "know it" quite well : ) Thanks for sharing.
The current model is made in Austria. Production is moving overseas but with Covid going I’m expecting delays.
@@Ironhawx No no. The parallel twin 799cc engine (called "790") is already made by CFMoto in Hangzhou since more than one year.
You're right on one thing: in future they will make the whole bike, including the 890.
"Engine made in China" i love this type of comments. You know what else is made in China? Yeah, everything.
João you’re right, but out of context. A company moves production overseas to reduce manufacturing costs, but where are those savings passed on to the consumer? They aren’t! The consumer is still paying premium prices in line with products not made overseas and THAT is the problem. This is pure capitalism. On your note about everything made in China, we are not talking low cost items, this is appx $20,000 CAD bike.
I will start off saying I have and love both my KTM big Vtwin bikes. However KTM is one of the most arrogant companies. They produce amazing engines and chassis but they couldn’t be bothered with designing quality ancillary components due to their arrogance.
Digging even further into KTM than I did, thanks for sharing and being more bold about it than perhaps I was. There does seem to be continuing deification of Big Orange by a lot of us, as they are fun, exciting bikes. And of course, some folks have zero problems (my 2004 950 Adventure S had ZERO problems in like 3-4 years, other than the fuel pumps regularly failing. That's through like 20 countries, 78 to 93 octane, all altitudes in the Andes Mountains, etc. until eventually the wiring harness needed to be replaced after a bath in the Pacific : ) But yea, we hope they can get closer to the Big 4 in terms of reliability, lest they remain inappropriately arrogant. Thanks for commenting. - Eric
Cons?! Cons?! How can any KTM have Cons! Dare not besmirch the orange marque!
Ha, ha, it's a loveable bike that needed a little ribbin'. No bike is perfect, but we've gotta push them to become such, right?
@@RIDEAdventures yep. And i was being facetious, too. The bike has weaknesses. The rear footpegs getting loose and twisting forward/back is a weak point and may cause future stress wear. Camel Adv skid plate should bolt up between frame and pegs and stabilize.
@@CommieHunter7, thanks for sharing that info, we had not noticed yet. Love it when we twist the 790's throttle and it looks like Han and Chewy punching it into the stars.
New subscriber here enjoyed the video look forward to more. I've been trying to do some motovlogs myself. Maybe you would check them out? I'm on my way to 300 subscribers
Looking good, but remember to fill-out your profile and tell/show the world who you are. People want to know who the people are behind these things!
@@RIDEAdventures ok i will
Well this aged like milk
By exactly 100.
Africa twin is the best
Many of us will agree. In terms of reliability, there is no question.
@@RIDEAdventures in terms of fun too,a stock africa twin is 226 kg,its fast,feels light,excelent travel suspension and looks
THE BEST Adventure BIKE, is the one you have the best adventures on. .
Well put! There's a perfect bike for everyone in every changing moment, and in all sincerity: Sometimes the best 'adventure' is finding a solution for your bike's problems, in some tiny village workshop in Bolivia, across language barriers, and just "finding a way" to make it work. Thanks for commenting.
@@RIDEAdventures AGREE
Two minutes in, not buying the KTM. Also, it's now made in China.
Seems to be some similar sentiment out there, but also note the Riders who have had zero issues. Tough decision. Thanks for sharing.
no, it isn't.
Yea, it's up there....but given the issues folks are having....which do you think is best? (Again, in the middleweight 400-500 lb twin cylinder category.)
@@RIDEAdventures Not that is perfect but yamaha T7 is cheaper, more reliable and simpler which is all pluses for adv bikes IMO.
@@robsonenduro3316, we love the T7. Be sure to see our comparison of it and the 790R about 3 Tuesdays from now. Now in post-production.
@@RIDEAdventures truth is none of current offerings is as good and reliable for adv as old Tenere, DRZ 650, old Translap or old Africa Twin :)