Hey kannst du mir bitte erklären woran bei ROCK SHOCKS Der unterschied in den einzelnen Bezeichnungen bei den Federgabel liegt. Ich kenne nur die vom Typ Indy C / XC /S SL hatte bisher noch nie Federgabel wollte jetzt er nicht mal umrüsten auf so einer Retrogabel Fahrrad ist neunziger Jahre Stahl Mountainbike. Worauf muss ich da achten für eine Antwort wäre ich dankbar
@@kjschrauber2126 Die verschiedenen Namen gelten für verschiedene Modelle. Jedes Modell repräsentiert normalerweise entweder einen anderen Preis oder eine andere Art des Fahrens. Beachten Sie, dass jedes Modell auch unterschiedliche Preisniveaus für ein bestimmtes "Chassis" hat. Und entschuldigen Sie meine Google-Übersetzung ins Deutsche!
@@ButterSuspension Ach alles okay besten Dank ich hab's jetzt auch gelesen also diese ENDY Gabeln waren damals so das untere Preissegment und die JUDY Gabeln waren dann eher was teurer was
Hands down one of the best vids on Judy Modifications. No music or bad edits, just FACTS, COMPARISONS, OPTIONS & a calm personality. I just bought a '97 Stumpy-Comp w/ JudyXC and this was great @giving me the info I needed to get started. Found that it has a duel-RED spring kit in it. Also must have come with the default or set to the smallest travel because it doesn't have nearly enough. So I think I will try and find out how to increase the travel. But again, this was such a great way to quickly get to know my new vintage Judy. THANKS!!
Thank you! I feel like I finally understand these forks. I have a Specialized Stumpjumper FS restoration project and I now feel confident to overhaul the fork and really get this bike ready to ride. -Mike's Bikes Work
Thanks for sharing so much knowledge and experience. I loved this video. My first proper bike was a hand me down from my brother which had Judy DH 97's (which I ended up breaking at the brake bridge which ruined the whole lowered- still have the fork). Love the retro stuff now and definitely lust after a set of the dual slalom DHO's. One of my favourite channels for sure after seeing this.
Love older Judy's no not the best off road nowadays but great alternative for a commuter bike good for road vibrations I have a set of xc hydracoil 99 2000 with disc brake tabs
First of all, Judy XC was the first one out, I think SL came out the next year. Second, Speed Springs were made by Mountain Springs, and they were amazing. Installed them on my SL around 1999, really gave it new life, quite an improvement over the original elastomers.
Love your videos, brings suspension servicing to the home mechanic. If you haven't already, would love a tutorial on how to service a judy cartridge and also marzocchi bombers z-range.
Wow super cool Video! Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with us. Super interesting! I‘m hyped what you will show us next - maybe you can tell us something about the old Marzocchis? Greetings from Germany!
I have a Judy DH all red with cantilever brake arch. Elastomers are dust. Curious if you know what level of travel this is? What years are still compatible with swapping.
DH has 80mm of travel. 1995 had the bolt on arch and bolt on crown; 1997 swapped to one piece crown/steerer/upper legs and one piece lowers and those years should be swappable. You can get coil spring kits from Specialty Retro Products or new elastomers from Suspensionforkparts.net
Had one of this from 2004 , Judy tt , it worked awful , when I bring it to the service the mechanic was shocked, the fork wasn't maintenanced for like 10 years , everything was rusty , we restored it . That fork was just indestructible
So I have a question, so I have a Trek 6500 and I feel a need to replace the forks, it's over twenty two years old, I think it's time, any suggestions? I need a travel of 63mm and the spacing between the drops for the wheels is 100mm and of course I'd need a v brake config, the only thing that seems to meet the parameters is a Suntour for around $130, I'd prefer a higher caliber name brand although if you'd vouchsafe the Suntour I'd go with that, any suggestions? :)
I'd looked for a nice used fork. Rockshox, Marzocchi and Fox all made awesome forks back then, and there's still some good used forks out there. Just know that EVERY used fork from that vintage will need a rebuild. EVERY single one. I just rebuilt a 2000 Marzocchi air fork that was brand new, never ridden, it still needed a rebuild because time just breaks stuff down.
nice vid! :) I'm rebuilding my judy DH from '97. your damper-service-video already did help me a lot! thanks for that. now I'm struggling with the springs I bought (SRP, the yellow ones). it seems they're to large (just some mm). So when I want to screw in the top caps, I give not less preload (what can't be good for the caps). The fork travel I messured is round about 80 mm, the SRP springs should fit, but they don't do so. Any idea in which direction I should look to find my mistake? thanks for your help!
Doesn't hurt the caps to preload the springs like that, a few mm isn't really much load compared to sitting on the bike or riding hard. Also, the springs would definitely be taller than any old elastomers since those shrink over time.
@@ButterSuspension alright then. I just saw another rebuild video and there the springs were fully inside the tube. Do you know, whether the tubes of all Judy models have the same tube length?
So I really love to watch your videos as I am working as an bike mechanic in an small bike shop in germany... and seeing you tearing down these old forks make my heart go crazy I just love old bike stuff, makes me wonder if I can get some new parts for my old 2003 Marzocchi Junior T Dropoff, because I want to do an service but i cant find anyone which sells parts for it..do you know where i can get new bushings and o-rings for it ? You are awesome thank you !
@@ButterSuspension Thank you for your help, everyone called my forks dead because you cant get parts from our supplier where we usually order. Hope I can get it plush again,and maybe I can sell it for a good price :) have a nice day !
when did rockshox move from aluminum top caps to plastic? my (99-ish?) XC long travel has alloy caps.. and no foam seals, only plastic bushings. is that normal?
After the Mag series, when the Judy came out, those were plastic top caps. Foam seals came later, when bath oil was used instead of grease. Don't remember ever seeing plastic bushings on any Rockshox...
@@ButterSuspension interesting. this judy, ie blue lowers, xc, long travel, hydracoil, matches one i found in another video that says his is a '99.. no foam inside, plastic oil seals, oil bath, an aluminum top caps with red aluminum knurled preload adjusters for a spring in each leg, bolt on crown - i think it's aluminum - oh well, feels good, rides well, seems to be in good shape, thanks for the vid!
Hands down one of the top entertaining and extremely informative cycling videos I’ve seen on UA-cam. Over the years I’ve seen most of the videos from the UA-cam cycling influencers videos. Please do a video on servicing a 1995-1995 Rockshox Judy XC/SL plastic dampener cartridge. Best,
Have you had any luck with replacing the lower bushings in the fsx fork? Now that's the real question. The busings are the most important part of the rebuild, the damage on the stanctions is so common and sad.
I've recently got a used 2001 SID for a restore project. A video like this would be great on the SID's 😉 any thoughts on improvement option for the 2001-2002 SID? Or if I would be able to use any modern damper or so?
Hey Nuno- since each generation of Sid is so different from the next, not many parts are interchangeable. Especially as you move from the 28mm to the 32mm chassis, everything is different. I'm sure I'll do a SID vid at some point!
I agree with the request for a video about the SID ... have been driving a red 28mm with 100mm travel and two air chambers right and left for 20 years.
hi! great video! wondering if you can help? (and in turn i can possibly help others), does and have a brace for the carbon leg fork (fsx) or anyone have a template for the brace? i need one for my restoration...but i had a template or brace to measure up from...i can have i programme drawn up for the cnc miller and have some made from a different grade alloy as many have suffered cracks and long since gone.... many thanks in advance
There is something for that on retro bike. If not search for the member named 'kokies' and contact him. www.retrobike.co.uk/threads/desperately-needed-rockshox-judy-fsx-brake-booster-actually-any-canti-judy-arch.427474/
Great video! I've always wondered about modularity with forks. Would it be possible to do a custom build with parts from different manufacturers? As long as the stanchion width is the same for both uppers and lowers, and your damper rod is the appropriate length, could that be done in theory?
In theory, yes. But most companies live in a development bubble so they just make what they want and it's almost always incompatible. Thread pitch, inner leg diameters, distance between leg centers...
#ButterSuspension, can you do a video on 5th elements or Manitou SPV shocks? i heard is prone to failure and you can remove that. Thanks, AWESOME CONTENT !!
Another "feature" of elastomers was by increasing the preload you increased the overall spring rate . Rode my coil/elastomer stack (one in each leg) Dh's from 96 until they failed in 2015, the dropout broke off dumping me into the loam 🤕
I am not joking when I say that you are my favorite MTB UA-camr I Love how technical your videos are!
Greetings From Germany.
Thank you!
Hey kannst du mir bitte erklären woran bei ROCK SHOCKS Der unterschied in den einzelnen Bezeichnungen bei den Federgabel liegt. Ich kenne nur die vom Typ Indy C / XC /S SL hatte bisher noch nie Federgabel wollte jetzt er nicht mal umrüsten auf so einer Retrogabel Fahrrad ist neunziger Jahre Stahl Mountainbike. Worauf muss ich da achten für eine Antwort wäre ich dankbar
@@kjschrauber2126 Die verschiedenen Namen gelten für verschiedene Modelle. Jedes Modell repräsentiert normalerweise entweder einen anderen Preis oder eine andere Art des Fahrens. Beachten Sie, dass jedes Modell auch unterschiedliche Preisniveaus für ein bestimmtes "Chassis" hat.
Und entschuldigen Sie meine Google-Übersetzung ins Deutsche!
@@ButterSuspension Ach alles okay besten Dank ich hab's jetzt auch gelesen also diese ENDY Gabeln waren damals so das untere Preissegment und die JUDY Gabeln waren dann eher was teurer was
Hands down one of the best vids on Judy Modifications. No music or bad edits, just FACTS, COMPARISONS, OPTIONS & a calm personality.
I just bought a '97 Stumpy-Comp w/ JudyXC and this was great @giving me the info I needed to get started. Found that it has a duel-RED spring kit in it. Also must have come with the default or set to the smallest travel because it doesn't have nearly enough. So I think I will try and find out how to increase the travel.
But again, this was such a great way to quickly get to know my new vintage Judy. THANKS!!
Thanks Davis!
Had to rebuild my Judy XC forks and needed a how to video. Thank you for your time Sir!
Thanks for helping us with the JUDYs great job on the rebuilding. Thanks again
Thank you! I feel like I finally understand these forks. I have a Specialized Stumpjumper FS restoration project and I now feel confident to overhaul the fork and really get this bike ready to ride. -Mike's Bikes Work
Thanks for sharing so much knowledge and experience. I loved this video. My first proper bike was a hand me down from my brother which had Judy DH 97's (which I ended up breaking at the brake bridge which ruined the whole lowered- still have the fork). Love the retro stuff now and definitely lust after a set of the dual slalom DHO's. One of my favourite channels for sure after seeing this.
Also, that Peugeot clock 👌
Wow, I just watched a whole video! Rad
Thanks for watching!
Great video ! Keep up the good work and content
Thanks!
Love older Judy's no not the best off road nowadays but great alternative for a commuter bike good for road vibrations I have a set of xc hydracoil 99 2000 with disc brake tabs
No wonder why i couldn't find any replacements, parts and pieces...you've got'em all..haha. Great video!
Absolutely love these videos, easily one of my favourite channels. Keep up the great work 👍
First of all, Judy XC was the first one out, I think SL came out the next year. Second, Speed Springs were made by Mountain Springs, and they were amazing. Installed them on my SL around 1999, really gave it new life, quite an improvement over the original elastomers.
Pretty cool little channel. I’ve watched two videos and I’m impressed.
I am subbed up
Love your videos, brings suspension servicing to the home mechanic. If you haven't already, would love a tutorial on how to service a judy cartridge and also marzocchi bombers z-range.
Might do a Judy cartridge soon, definitely gonna do an older Bomber at some point, those are awesome.
Awesome work! I'm rebuilding an early hydra-coil right now and I appreciate your expertise.
I also think the Englund Air springs felt better because the spring rate/compression matched on both sides.
Best JUDY VIDEO ON UA-cam!
Awsome! - Great work! I love that suspension fork.
Wow super cool Video!
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with us. Super interesting!
I‘m hyped what you will show us next - maybe you can tell us something about the old Marzocchis?
Greetings from Germany!
I'll definitely do some old Marzocchi stuff!
I have a Judy DH all red with cantilever brake arch.
Elastomers are dust.
Curious if you know what level of travel this is?
What years are still compatible with swapping.
DH has 80mm of travel. 1995 had the bolt on arch and bolt on crown; 1997 swapped to one piece crown/steerer/upper legs and one piece lowers and those years should be swappable. You can get coil spring kits from Specialty Retro Products or new elastomers from Suspensionforkparts.net
Had one of this from 2004 , Judy tt , it worked awful , when I bring it to the service the mechanic was shocked, the fork wasn't maintenanced for like 10 years , everything was rusty , we restored it . That fork was just indestructible
So I have a question, so I have a Trek 6500 and I feel a need to replace the forks, it's over twenty two years old, I think it's time, any suggestions? I need a travel of 63mm and the spacing between the drops for the wheels is 100mm and of course I'd need a v brake config, the only thing that seems to meet the parameters is a Suntour for around $130, I'd prefer a higher caliber name brand although if you'd vouchsafe the Suntour I'd go with that, any suggestions? :)
I'd looked for a nice used fork. Rockshox, Marzocchi and Fox all made awesome forks back then, and there's still some good used forks out there. Just know that EVERY used fork from that vintage will need a rebuild. EVERY single one. I just rebuilt a 2000 Marzocchi air fork that was brand new, never ridden, it still needed a rebuild because time just breaks stuff down.
nice vid! :)
I'm rebuilding my judy DH from '97. your damper-service-video already did help me a lot! thanks for that. now I'm struggling with the springs I bought (SRP, the yellow ones). it seems they're to large (just some mm). So when I want to screw in the top caps, I give not less preload (what can't be good for the caps). The fork travel I messured is round about 80 mm, the SRP springs should fit, but they don't do so. Any idea in which direction I should look to find my mistake?
thanks for your help!
Doesn't hurt the caps to preload the springs like that, a few mm isn't really much load compared to sitting on the bike or riding hard.
Also, the springs would definitely be taller than any old elastomers since those shrink over time.
@@ButterSuspension alright then. I just saw another rebuild video and there the springs were fully inside the tube.
Do you know, whether the tubes of all Judy models have the same tube length?
Not across all model/years.
Awesome video! My question is, can I take the cartridge out of my xc and put it in my dh that is coroded? Everything seems to be the same length?
I have the old Judy tt . I wanna re build them and use em on this new frame I got
Got a bike with a judy XC, from 2001. Is it the same model?
Most likely not, if it was the stock fork. Newer models had open bath damping and coil springs. Heavier, but more reliable.
You got any 07 bomber z1 or DJ forks? They were amazing.
I have a bunch of the original Bombers, Z1, Mr.T, Super T, etc. Great forks!
@@ButterSuspension awesome. I love the pre 2008 forks
very awesome
So I really love to watch your videos as I am working as an bike mechanic in an small bike shop in germany... and seeing you tearing down these old forks make my heart go crazy I just love old bike stuff, makes me wonder if I can get some new parts for my old 2003 Marzocchi Junior T Dropoff, because I want to do an service but i cant find anyone which sells parts for it..do you know where i can get new bushings and o-rings for it ? You are awesome thank you !
Awesome! You're actually in the best country for old parts, check these guys out: bicyclesuspension.de/collections/all
@@ButterSuspension Thank you so much!
marzocchiworkshop.blogspot.com/p/oil-quantitys-and-levels_858.html?m=1
Here's another great link.
@@ButterSuspension Thank you for your help, everyone called my forks dead because you cant get parts from our supplier where we usually order. Hope I can get it plush again,and maybe I can sell it for a good price :) have a nice day !
when did rockshox move from aluminum top caps to plastic? my (99-ish?) XC long travel has alloy caps.. and no foam seals, only plastic bushings. is that normal?
After the Mag series, when the Judy came out, those were plastic top caps. Foam seals came later, when bath oil was used instead of grease. Don't remember ever seeing plastic bushings on any Rockshox...
@@ButterSuspension interesting. this judy, ie blue lowers, xc, long travel, hydracoil, matches one i found in another video that says his is a '99.. no foam inside, plastic oil seals, oil bath, an aluminum top caps with red aluminum knurled preload adjusters for a spring in each leg, bolt on crown - i think it's aluminum - oh well, feels good, rides well, seems to be in good shape, thanks for the vid!
Great video. I just popped out the elastomers in my gold Judy XC to inspect it. So can you service the cartridge? Maybe I missed that part.
It is serviceable, Specialty Retro Products is making seal kits for them. I didn't get into rebuilding the damper in this video.
Hands down one of the top entertaining and extremely informative cycling videos I’ve seen on UA-cam. Over the years I’ve seen most of the videos from the UA-cam cycling influencers videos. Please do a video on servicing a 1995-1995 Rockshox Judy XC/SL plastic dampener cartridge. Best,
Hey man what do you think of rs 35 silver tk. Could I upgrade it?
Thx
Good fork overall, but no upgrades are available for it.
Hey you really need to change the bushings too, I have all the tools for that, its essential for a rebuild.
I have the tools as well, but for most folks working at home that's not really feasible.
Have you had any luck with replacing the lower bushings in the fsx fork? Now that's the real question. The busings are the most important part of the rebuild, the damage on the stanctions is so common and sad.
I've recently got a used 2001 SID for a restore project. A video like this would be great on the SID's 😉 any thoughts on improvement option for the 2001-2002 SID? Or if I would be able to use any modern damper or so?
Hey Nuno- since each generation of Sid is so different from the next, not many parts are interchangeable. Especially as you move from the 28mm to the 32mm chassis, everything is different. I'm sure I'll do a SID vid at some point!
@@ButterSuspension cool! Looking forward 😉
I agree with the request for a video about the SID ... have been driving a red 28mm with 100mm travel and two air chambers right and left for 20 years.
I have a 99 2000 xc hydracoil long travel 80mm could it be swapped for 100mm just wondering
hi! great video! wondering if you can help? (and in turn i can possibly help others), does and have a brace for the carbon leg fork (fsx) or anyone have a template for the brace? i need one for my restoration...but i had a template or brace to measure up from...i can have i programme drawn up for the cnc miller and have some made from a different grade alloy as many have suffered cracks and long since gone.... many thanks in advance
There is something for that on retro bike. If not search for the member named 'kokies' and contact him. www.retrobike.co.uk/threads/desperately-needed-rockshox-judy-fsx-brake-booster-actually-any-canti-judy-arch.427474/
Wait, where does the Judy Butter go?
On ur toast, noodles, on a fancy steak.
Who is judy?
Great video! I've always wondered about modularity with forks. Would it be possible to do a custom build with parts from different manufacturers? As long as the stanchion width is the same for both uppers and lowers, and your damper rod is the appropriate length, could that be done in theory?
In theory, yes. But most companies live in a development bubble so they just make what they want and it's almost always incompatible. Thread pitch, inner leg diameters, distance between leg centers...
#ButterSuspension, can you do a video on 5th elements or Manitou SPV shocks? i heard is prone to failure and you can remove that. Thanks, AWESOME CONTENT !!
I think I have a 5th Element in a bin somewhere...
Any chance you would be able to send me a stanchion retention ring?
Sure, send me an email please.
greg.mackenzie@gmail.com
Be sure to include some pictures of the fork and the upper legs.
Hey sell me some of that inventory you have hanging up there;)
to cut off the hanger might be more caused by the cleaner look, than the weight...
I came up in the 90's...it was both, but man did people care too much about weight.
Another "feature" of elastomers was by increasing the preload you increased the overall spring rate .
Rode my coil/elastomer stack (one in each leg) Dh's from 96 until they failed in 2015, the dropout broke off dumping me into the loam 🤕