You know what would fix this? If the air realistic mode worked the same as ground realistic. Where you can take out multiple planes, that way battles are a bit longer and would make for more combat and.... the most illusive of them all... FUN
Its the fucking snails fault, they keep forcing people to buy shitty premiums to farm lions while make the tree's bigger, increasing repair costs and making sure ground br is as unprofitable as it can get and decreasing rewards overall. People are forced to play this crap in order either progress in the tree or for high br tank repairs. The diversity regarding premium rewards sure as well doesn't help either.
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@N!ckN4me They're interesting because the planes are mostly just the iconic planes but in their most ultimate form. I think your argument about the F2G is irrelevant too since that's also one of the factors of why BR 6.0 makes proper battles difficult, BR 6.0 WOULD be competitive without them.
5.7 was absolutely hopping before F2Gs were introduced, teams often had the max amount players allotted. Now, 288s are the problem, but F2G spam, for 5.0-6.0, killed one of the best brs. I loved 5.7, the matches were packed, and a lot of the fighter pilot knew what they were doing, made engagements interesting.
@@KaijuNumberEight At least the F-14 can actually impact the outcome of the game (also shooting F-14 with my F-14 is fun coz they don't dodge, they just explode). Bomber have no use at all, just stall games out and then cry when they get shot down because they are the size to match the pilots ego and fly in a straight line
That's why I love F4U-4B so much at this BR range. Ju 288s run away in the late game? No problem, a quadruple 20mm can kill majority of the ground targets with any belt, bleeding their tickets. They come back? No problem either, the same quadruple 20mm will get the job done within a few seconds. Yes, as a German and Italian fighter main, I personally hate Ju 288 to the core, and I feel satisfied to shred them to pieces in F4U-4B. I wish Gaijoob would limit bombers per match to 2, only if they cared about this BR range.
I second that. I'd murder those Ju288s on my own team if I wasn't getting punished. Just want to play my damn 152 without having to solo an entire team on my own. I'm not Defyn, ffs...
At the same time tho its fun to win a game by bombing in a fast bomber that the props cant catch. Lol they just slowly watch their base get rekt by like 6 ju288s droppin loads. Had a match we didnt lose a single 288 and we all cordinated our base drops and won in like 15 min by killing their base. Its really fun to win without a kill. As a german/japan main i gotta say the 288 got me like 85% of the tech tree in under a few weeks its just too good for grinding. Its a fun plane but yea i can see it as annoying.
If people are only flying 288s in this range they’re grinding something, and if you place limit the type of aircraft that can be played you’re going to kill the game mode. I know that fighter mains want a mode dedicated to them and them alone, but that idea isn’t as popular as the people who complain about bombers think it is.
If you have a really good dogfighter (spitfire any type) you can play while switching circles to keep your energy while not getting the enemy nose on you ! Else way you're f*cked, really good and survive or he is a sh*t
The F2G spam killed 5.7matches, (previously) my favorite BR. People like to blame the 288s, but that is only because the teams are so small. Before the F2G, however, 5.7 matches were packed. And, both teams usually had four bombers, not anymore though.
@@jayklink851 to understand are you saying that the F2G is not played like it should be or because of it's role it killed places in the team for other fighter that would climb approximately like the Ta 152 to not have a whole team at 1500m being killed while shooting ground target by boom and zoomers ? For myself the problem was that I was the only one higher than 3000 meters, making it almost impossible to make more than one kill with less efficient energy retention than the Ta 152 or other German fighters
BR 4.7 is the sweet spot right now. 5.0 gets up-tiered into this terrible BR. If they'd nerf the Ju-288 just a bit since it never actually flew it might be more tolerable.
Rather than nerf the Ju-288 the nerfed the Jumbo even more, so now a 6.3 heavy tank can be front penned by a PzIV, and ANYWHERE on the tank can be killed by a Tiger or Panther.
@@rancorusia I mean the 51h is comparable performance wise to the spit 24, and is better suited for fighting against jets since its faster. Yes a spit 24 is capable against jets, but if a jet just doesn't play your game you don't stand a chance.
Takeoff flaps are really good for that low speed stall fight regime you find yourself in vs jets. Plus using the rudder to snap roll is a good counter to a scissors
Call me crazy, but when they added the 288c it signified the death of 5.7 - 6.3ish BR air rb Full bomber teams with like 3 fighters is just sad. Before the 288c, 5.7 Ger ARB was like the creme de la creme of WT (for me, anyhow..) now its just prem garbage
@@SteelxWolf I completely agree, but I never saw B-29's gunshipping my teams fighters' at 2k M, they'd always fuckoff to the stratosphere. But those days are largely gone...
You could say the same thing about the F2G spam. Just endless hordes of F2G's. But honestly i can't even be mad at the 288 players. It is practically the only way to still get reasonable amounts SL with how much the have nerfed the economy. If they just improved the overall SL gain, the 288 wouldn't be necessary. But no, Gajin insists on nerfing the economy every patch even more. Even with premium time you just barley brake ven in some BRs nowdays. I mean, you can bait the entire enemy team one after another, bait them into a pursuing you and while constanly staying juuust out of their guns so your team mates can easily kill them, and what will it net you? Exactly, 0SL and 0RP, ffs. Or Air RB with tanks ("ground" RB), where it isn't economically viable to spawn more than 2 maybe 3 vehicles as the game will have devolved into (CAS) spawncaming within 5 minutes. IF the players could reliably make more SL, the wouldn't care if they loose some SL in a match and actually fight to the last vehicle. BEcause it wouldn't be a big deal. Instead, most leave after one or two spawns, to save SL. So yeah, I am blaming Gajin, not the 288, or F2G, etc.
The F2G/288 spam imo are a result of how much they make for how little you need to work. I admit I contribute to it on the F2G behalf, but can you blame me? The game practically gives me SL just for flying it, and as I grind up closer to top tier I’m going to need it. I wish it were more exciting, more stuff like early jets, less schlock.
I contributed to the F2G spam as well, but there really wasn't anything I could do, I got it legit from the Battle Pass and it gives good rewards. I wanted to grind to the AD-4 and there was no fucking way in hell I'm playing ground attack aircrafts in Air RB Also, I'm curious, is the F2G generally considered OP in the community or is it just an annoyance as it's spammed to hell and back?
@@supasoljas7824 Speaking as someone who usually fights them flying Japanese planes... They're stupidly fast in a straight line, they climb stupidly fast, they dive stupidly fast and they hit hard. They're impossible to catch unless its in a turn. Sure, Japan faces a lot of things like that, but the F2G-1 cranks it up to 11. But the thing is, I rarely feel that way. Most of the time I catch them low and slow in dogfights they shouldn't be in. They have little awareness and their first instinct is to pull hard on the stick and hope for the best. But if I face one who knows what they're doing, my options dry up considerably. Its one of those fighters where inexperienced players have flocked to looking for an easy game and driven its WR and stats into the ground, making Gaijin think its struggling. When I see them on my team, its really hit or miss. I've flown with some really good F2G pilots who dominate the entire match, sometimes before I even get there, and others that got clubbed in a full downtier.
The F2G is honestly probably both my least favourite and favourite aircraft to fly out, it was the cheapest good SL grinder I could find, got me out of being absolutely broke for honestly not much money, the aircraft is amazing, it has the Wasp Major engine, which is super torquey and gives you an absolute ton of power. It easily kills Ju288s, and as long as you know your aircraft well, then you’re able to kill most other enemies with ease. Is it the most fun to fly? No, I prefer flying 4.3 or 9.0 if I’m honest (Swedish pyo, or Italian sag are just so much fun to fly) But does it earn me sl? Yes, and that’s why I bought it in the first place
I recently had great match where i and some other guy killed maybe three people by staying close together, i think he killed two guys with me as a bait and the other one just fell into his sights before i had the chance. Whole time we were helping each other, it was way more fun than normal until i saw the breadcrumbs i got for it. Rules for assigning rewards are just bs, i am not fan of people raging about kill stealing but if you spend few minutes building up for safe kill and then some guy just strolls into your crippled or disadvantaged target and gets the kill it's just depressing. Hopefully you atleast hit him before kill so you get assist. I often see players fighting about it even though this is completely artificially created problem by Gaijin. I dont play ground battles but my brother does and its just as ridiculous how often he gets killed by some garden with cannon.
After scoring over 3,000 hours in this game, I can say that the P-51H is the best prop in the game without a doubt. It out-turns EVERYTHING you come against except for the bi and me-163 obviously, it's guns are quite good considering it takes down fighters in short sprays and bombers light on fire with just a few bullets, I've hit mach 0.9 in a dive before so it's quite fast in that aspect, it's WEP is powerful enough to pull you through a 25 degree climb at 190mph, and it has ammo to fight the entire lobby and then some. It can even get fully up tiered and still give the jets a run for their money, no questions asked. The H has been the best prop in the game for as long as I've been playing without a single doubt. Don't let any negative words about this plane convince you to not play it.
@@quarreneverett4767 Being a better player in the moment doesn't make the plane worse, I have a friend who plays the Mig-15 Bis like an absolute monkey and he still averages a 1.5 - 2 k/d.
I no longer fly out my favorite 109’s (the G14, G10, and K4) because it’s always the same shit- entire team of bombers that dies 4 minutes into the match leaving you and your other 1 or 2 teammates who actually brought fighters getting clapped by 5 or 6 fighters at once.
@@rancorusia the problem is that base bombing gives way too much reward which pushes more people to use bombers to get in bomb a base and die only to still make a profit while at the same time the game does not force teams to be balanced fighters to bombers so it is possible to have a team with 7/12 players in bombers going up against a team with 10/12 players being in fighters. This could be fixed by forcing team compositions to require something like 4 bombers/8 fighters for a 12 player team on both teams so that they are at least balanced that way at the expense of likely increasing queue times. Another fix that could be done would be the addition of penalties for border or base humping as the last players alive, it is not fair to the more successful team to lose because the last player decides to fly circles around their airfields AA coverage to let the AI win the game for them by killing everything that goes after them or fly to the map border never to be seen again.
@@jhorn64 base bombing doesn't give a lot for rewards, in my lancaster it's has a 8k repair cost and one base only gives 4k sl back. So really I have to bomb two bases and get a few hits on the enemy to get a profit
@@jhorn64 base bombing rewards aren't a lot. The 288's modifier for rp and SL is what makes them popular along with their speed and borked defensive armament
The P-51H in sim is goated, I remember one of my first few matches I got in a dogfight with 3 Me-262s and it was such a fun fight and I got them all but I had to rtb immediately
288s are a big issue for super props. The other issue though is how undertier’d a lot of the US planes are compared to every other country besides the USSR which is pretty balanced for once. A good example is vs the G56 you can just play it as dumb as possible and still win. It has almost no advantages other than a one circle turn which is easy to avoid. Yet it’s rated the same as the P51H.
recently ive been flying the griffon spitfire at 6.7, and its actually very fun. i didnt get to meet ju288 that often and instead was greeted with, what you talked about, premium prop/jet players who dont know what theyre doing and its really fun.
The other day I took a Yak-9UT out and in one match I was astonished to see all kinds of super props and early jets, from Yak 15s to Griff Spits, 262s Ta 152s, P-51s, Ki-84s. I wish we had more of those matchups
its just as bad, even worse playing on the axis side b/c you often get the small 6v6 matches and it really just ends up being a 2v6 or 1v6 if there is also an attacker. Been maxed uptiered a few times when playing Fw190 d12 and its pure pain. 288 pilots are utterly useless and whenever i check their stat cards the winrates of that bomber are so stupid low. normally only about 30%
i have a question about wt sl wise, I tend to have little to no money due to repair costs being high and well “skill issues” , even when i get 3 kille in a Air rb, i still only come out with enough to support my repair costs. Any grinding tips?
Or the mig-21PFM which literally gets eaten alive by everything. Like, it legit has no real weponry, and loses all of it's speed in a single turn, while struggling to get it back simply due to how fat it is.
I personally dont run away in a 288. I go straight from base to target and back. Sometimes i deviate to strafe bots and shoot down bot planes. I know i can outrun most things and anything that can get close usually doesnt have a good time with the turrets.
Honestly late props are a big contributing factor in US players getting to jets much earlier then they should. From 5.7-6.7 it's pretty much free kills every game with no real risk of loss. The F2G is everywhere, throw in some F4U-4Bs and other teams don't have much chance.
I feel ya. This was my favorite BR area for almost all nations and now its ruined by 288 spam. don't even want to play the game anymore cause 6.0 was all i had fun in :(
Try anything Bristish that costs tripple compared to anything US, for similar planes. The Sea Fury doesn't have its wartime engine setting, and no octane like it should have as deployed in WW2, nor does alot of the UK planes have Octane like they used in WW2. No one side climbs anymore so you're the only one left with any altitude and a dead team. Naval? Oh it's full of bots with 4000 deaths and 100 kills....
Glad im down at 3.0s and 4.0s... (A-20G Havoc is my go to plane for America btw) And you are actually good because i cant even survive a game in fighter so i fly strike aircraft
YOOOOO IT’S HERE and the same thing happens In my p38k, but You should play the 4u4b because the 20mm chew them up (I think You already made a video of it though)
Thats why i mostly play props exclusively in arcade and occasionally jets in rb but mostly arcade as well because i want to have some action and not just play flight sim. The problem ive had in arcade though is you will have 2 people that just kill ground targets and the game will be over in 5 minutes. The first fight is always a head on fight where you get rammed into and by the time you get back to the action in your second plane the match is already over. They either need to increase the amount of tickets in arcade or just make ground targets other than the bases not count for tickets. I think if realistic battles had a spawn point system like ground battles i would play it alot more too because i like having a lineup of planes to use rather than just one.
Ki-84s have the same problem but on the receiving end: 288 spam as allies against things that can do very well ganging up against you (since most 288s just die). It does very well against the P-51H, Spitfires, and even the Ta-152H and Yaks sometimes alone, but it doesn't matter since they'll both come against you at once. Such a pain to work with those 288 guys, even more of a pain to work against them since my Ki-84 pilot keeps getting sniped.
7.0 to 9.0 is also a pain in the ass at the moment. It seems like everyone in any plane with any speed advantage only want to push headons even when they are in really powerful aircrafts that can do so much more including. And since its the lowest br are where sams are at airfields the amount of airfield camping is absurd. Also dont know what it is with german mains but it is almost always a german g91 or fw190 running and af camping.
Well to be fair dogfighting at 8.0+ BR usually results in the teammate of your opponent killing you while you're exposed, head ons are fairly safe and rewarding as long as you don't commit.
It’s a good thing I played this prop when it was op af. 5km going 720kph in a flat line for 15 seconds is pretty fast if you ask me. Ever since they nerfed speed it isn’t the same.
I play the F-89B at 7.0 but when I get a down tier I try to assist my fellow prop planes. I love flying with P-51H’s. They cover my turning weakness and I cover the speed and guns department. I’ll engage enemies at an altitude advantage, I’ll take on any jets and if need be I can strafe a 288 that’s giving us grief. But for the most part I try not to interfere or kill steal a dogfight between props. So if you see an F-89B flying red smoke, thatd be me.
Surprisingly 6.0 has been one of my favorite tiers lately, though I’m incredibly biased as I practically main the ki83 and the ta152, with some spitfire mixed in for spice
I saw this video when i was still at 2.0 or 2.3 back in February/March (around when i started playing). Now, my highest BR tech tree vehicle is the Spitfire LF Mk.IX (highest BR plane is the Me-262 A1a/U1 atm) and i can totally relate. Ju-288 spam, Do-335 or Fw-190D space climbers that dive every now and then knowing no one can catch them, 6v6 matches... It just sucks. Worst part is that the plane i want to get right now, the Meteor F Mk.3, requires me to play Rank 4, so it's either playing my very average but kinda fun Spitfire Mk.XVI with the clipped wings, suffer in the LF Mk.IX with better multipliers.... or suffer in the Whirlwind or Brigand... rough
I stopped playing the Ju-288 when it become 6.0, so you can imagine how I feel about that BR range. +Mixed battles for Germany both in tanks and naval 5.7 is the meta, so I use the Ju-188 now!
@@nokiabrick2689 Same goes for: KV-1C , B1ter, T31, Sagitario, T-34/57(1942) AMX-13, Chi-Nu II ... just to name some others too. I no longer play those on their current BR!
I got the F4U 4B last week I was so hyped to play a 5.7 plane that was until I saw max repair cost is 12 K and the BR is full with jets ,I won 1 out of 3 matches and lost all my silver lions so until I get the P 80 I wont touch anything above 5.0
Imo there are 2 things they can do to make this plane more playable: Uptier the Ju-288 to atleast 6.7. it can out speed any 6.0-6.3 fighter, out guns all of them and is one of the most survivable bombers in the game (I've set both engines on fire simultaneously and both almost always go out). And lower it's repair to 6-8k. 11k is ridiculous for a very average plane that gets terrible matchmaking and gets out classed alot.
I don't think the uptier would fix the issue. The main reason to play the 288 is desperation for SL. You WILL die in a 288, but you gain SL by bombing. I think the only way to deal with the core issue is an econ overhaul to make each playstyle profitable and perhaps survival a multiplier rather than flat SL award.
Just got my first 6.0 today, F4U-4B. I knew ju288 where gonna be a problem, but this is stupid. How ever, i did pull a SU57 top gun maneuver to avoid fire from a 262, didn’t mean to but i worked out, how ever i lost the fight, any tips at all for 6.0? I already tried quitting but the game is to fun 😂
Well even with the 288 spam, even if you get uptiered to jets, then you have to deal with the Su-11 spam which in my opinion, is even worse then the 288 spam
I play the Ju 288 and at least for me it makes more sense if you stay as long al possible in a game especially when you have one or more boosters on because most of them only last one game so I want to max out my sl and rp gains. It is also very frustrating when a p 51 or any other plane comes and kills you when you haven’t even released your bombs yet. I know it’s not really fun to play at 6.0 and killing Ju 288s all the time but it’s basically a free kill so I won’t complain.
Well now you get to feel the pain of what it felt like to play Germany superprops back in the "5.7 top BR props" day, when every match you were going up against the US with over 60% bombers. Spading the T-152C when it first came out was at least easy, sniping bombers.
Some years ago there was the B 29 spam , lower Br than the Ju288, it was almost impossible to kill the to the their high speed and altitude spawn. They fixed it and replaced it with the Ju288, obviously Gayjin does not learn from their mistakes.
I had really low SL a while ago so I got the JU 288 to get money but as soon as I got enough to be stable I just stopped playing it for the most part because playing the 288 is almost as boring as hunting them down in planes must be.
To be fair I’ve taken a 2 year break from war thunder and the 288 was the underrated back then but I joined a game recently and everyone was automatically hating on me cuz I was using it
This is literally my favorite plane to fly. The ju 288 spam makes easy kills and this plane can literally dominate any fighter or even early jets. The only thing I hate is that the repair cost on the P-51h is massive
I used to play the mk24 a lot lot. It was my favourite plane but back then air rb wasn't a bunch of people grinding in the middle. I feel like the whole prop part of air RB is a miserable mess mind you I took a 2 year break so I don't really know what happened but it's disappointing as hell.
As a german main, I hate getting into these lobbies with all the 288s because it leaves me and the one other fighter on our team to fight an entire allied team that consists of spitfires, bearcats, and F-82s :,)
I avoid that br bracket for the same reasons. Some of my favorite props are there, but I can't enjoy them because I get outnumbered or simply I have to fight against bombers. I did a video in my channel were I propose a possible solution (for this and other problems) if you are interested.
F2Gs and Ju-288s are the only viable 6.0 air vehicles. Plus the F2G was so easy to get and cheap compared to other planes and helos it was the only vehicle I have that is over 5.0 in air
I bought my way into jets at first too and I’d be willing to say it took me a solid 2 or 3 extra months on top of normal players just from not having prop experience but people who get jets then say it’s the players being too good are bull they just don’t understand the new style of fighting you need
I'll be honest, I ground out a decent chunk of the US air tree and a lot of SL with the F2G, yeah, fuck that BR. I took out a couple Ju 288Cs and a fair few fighters, jets and props, but god that BR is so aggravating
I mostly played 6.0 match with F4U-4B. It has decent turn rate, decent speed, and powerful 4 barrels of 20mm. And If I dive and gain some speed, it can even chase the 7.0 jets. I make so many SL and so many kills with this buddy. And god, I love this plane.
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You know what would fix this? If the air realistic mode worked the same as ground realistic. Where you can take out multiple planes, that way battles are a bit longer and would make for more combat and.... the most illusive of them all... FUN
Its the fucking snails fault, they keep forcing people to buy shitty premiums to farm lions while make the tree's bigger, increasing repair costs and making sure ground br is as unprofitable as it can get and decreasing rewards overall. People are forced to play this crap in order either progress in the tree or for high br tank repairs. The diversity regarding premium rewards sure as well doesn't help either.
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This BR has the most interesting prop planes but a proper battle is barely even possible
@N!ckN4me They're interesting because the planes are mostly just the iconic planes but in their most ultimate form. I think your argument about the F2G is irrelevant too since that's also one of the factors of why BR 6.0 makes proper battles difficult, BR 6.0 WOULD be competitive without them.
I had experienced a battle full 0f D-13 on my german team an only 2 288c and luckily the 2 288c died earliest XD that is one of the good match 😁
@N!ckN4me Except some did (for example the N1K2-J and Tempest Mk V) and they still get vaccumed into this bs.
We should have more options for game matchmaking. Like exclude jets.
@N!ckN4me why the heck did you say that I was looking forward to sabres
The 6.0 bracket is broken for everyone because it's so boring. Also 288 spam.
5.7 was absolutely hopping before F2Gs were introduced, teams often had the max amount players allotted. Now, 288s are the problem, but F2G spam, for 5.0-6.0, killed one of the best brs. I loved 5.7, the matches were packed, and a lot of the fighter pilot knew what they were doing, made engagements interesting.
@N!ckN4me
Free kills
It's f2g vs ju288 spam
@@jayklink851 5.7-6.7 props is some of the best fun you can have in War Thunder and it will forever stink because of f2g and 288 spam
@@Sultan-cf5wf 👍👍
I swear they gotta limit the amount of attack/bombers on each team even more
nah, uncap it. Let the Ju-288s all be on the same team so that real fighters don't get handed a big fat L just for playing with the same country.
@@BiscuitDelivery lmao so basically the F14 problem but for bombers, sounds like smt Gaijin would do tbh
they need to stop the matchmaker considering bombers on par with actual fighters
because right now, thats what it does
@@KaijuNumberEight At least the F-14 can actually impact the outcome of the game (also shooting F-14 with my F-14 is fun coz they don't dodge, they just explode).
Bomber have no use at all, just stall games out and then cry when they get shot down because they are the size to match the pilots ego and fly in a straight line
its limited by 4 but should be 2
That's why I love F4U-4B so much at this BR range.
Ju 288s run away in the late game? No problem, a quadruple 20mm can kill majority of the ground targets with any belt, bleeding their tickets.
They come back? No problem either, the same quadruple 20mm will get the job done within a few seconds.
Yes, as a German and Italian fighter main, I personally hate Ju 288 to the core, and I feel satisfied to shred them to pieces in F4U-4B. I wish Gaijoob would limit bombers per match to 2, only if they cared about this BR range.
I second that. I'd murder those Ju288s on my own team if I wasn't getting punished. Just want to play my damn 152 without having to solo an entire team on my own. I'm not Defyn, ffs...
At the same time tho its fun to win a game by bombing in a fast bomber that the props cant catch. Lol they just slowly watch their base get rekt by like 6 ju288s droppin loads. Had a match we didnt lose a single 288 and we all cordinated our base drops and won in like 15 min by killing their base. Its really fun to win without a kill. As a german/japan main i gotta say the 288 got me like 85% of the tech tree in under a few weeks its just too good for grinding.
Its a fun plane but yea i can see it as annoying.
@@psicho9217 super fun when as a fighter u waste a game climbing as the game is over before u met the foe....
@@psicho9217 "it's a fun plane"
take a long walk off a short pier loser
If people are only flying 288s in this range they’re grinding something, and if you place limit the type of aircraft that can be played you’re going to kill the game mode. I know that fighter mains want a mode dedicated to them and them alone, but that idea isn’t as popular as the people who complain about bombers think it is.
Every game I play at 6.0 I pray that there is no Ta152 squad against me. They are just never not 2+ km above everyone else.
I had quite hard time dogfighting a ta152 in my a6m6
I just started running it with a buddy. It's a great plane, looks like a greyhound, and it flys like one too
If you have a really good dogfighter (spitfire any type) you can play while switching circles to keep your energy while not getting the enemy nose on you ! Else way you're f*cked, really good and survive or he is a sh*t
The F2G spam killed 5.7matches, (previously) my favorite BR. People like to blame the 288s, but that is only because the teams are so small. Before the F2G, however, 5.7 matches were packed. And, both teams usually had four bombers, not anymore though.
@@jayklink851 to understand are you saying that the F2G is not played like it should be or because of it's role it killed places in the team for other fighter that would climb approximately like the Ta 152 to not have a whole team at 1500m being killed while shooting ground target by boom and zoomers ?
For myself the problem was that I was the only one higher than 3000 meters, making it almost impossible to make more than one kill with less efficient energy retention than the Ta 152 or other German fighters
BR 4.7 is the sweet spot right now. 5.0 gets up-tiered into this terrible BR. If they'd nerf the Ju-288 just a bit since it never actually flew it might be more tolerable.
They're gonna add fire extinguisher to bombers, goodluck trying to kill that ju288s
I went with Ki100 4.0 against 5.7 planes and I killed 3 of them luckily, I died vs a Bf109 which rammed into me xD
basically the situation with my a6m5 ko right now. i used to enjoy it when it was at 4.7. now it got put up to 5.0 and its perma ju288 c all day
Rather than nerf the Ju-288 the nerfed the Jumbo even more, so now a 6.3 heavy tank can be front penned by a PzIV, and ANYWHERE on the tank can be killed by a Tiger or Panther.
Bro stop hating on the jumbo it’s a assault tank
And then there's the Spitfire Mk24 at 7.0 getting up tiered to 7.7 every match (:
wheres the issue with that? late props out preform low jets in everything but top speed
@@rancorusia There isn't one. Not for people who have an understanding of how to play jets at least.
@@rancorusia I mean the 51h is comparable performance wise to the spit 24, and is better suited for fighting against jets since its faster. Yes a spit 24 is capable against jets, but if a jet just doesn't play your game you don't stand a chance.
ah nah it's at 7.3 now so it's ABLE TO SEE FUCKING AAMS, THIS IS NOT A JOKE.
@@maybach5787aams are at 8.0, so it was already able to see them
Takeoff flaps are really good for that low speed stall fight regime you find yourself in vs jets. Plus using the rudder to snap roll is a good counter to a scissors
Call me crazy, but when they added the 288c it signified the death of 5.7 - 6.3ish BR air rb
Full bomber teams with like 3 fighters is just sad.
Before the 288c, 5.7 Ger ARB was like
the creme de la creme of WT (for me, anyhow..)
now its just prem garbage
i take the double mustang with 14mg's and apit belts and btfo the bombers and watch something on my second monitor
It used to be the US with the bomber spam
@@SteelxWolf I completely agree, but I never saw B-29's gunshipping my teams fighters' at 2k M, they'd always fuckoff to the stratosphere.
But those days are largely gone...
@@SonOfFudge we may see a return because all aircraft damage models are receiving a 50% increase in resilience apparently.
@@SteelxWolf so 50 cals might not do anything, and cannons will still be really effective
You could say the same thing about the F2G spam. Just endless hordes of F2G's. But honestly i can't even be mad at the 288 players. It is practically the only way to still get reasonable amounts SL with how much the have nerfed the economy. If they just improved the overall SL gain, the 288 wouldn't be necessary. But no, Gajin insists on nerfing the economy every patch even more. Even with premium time you just barley brake ven in some BRs nowdays. I mean, you can bait the entire enemy team one after another, bait them into a pursuing you and while constanly staying juuust out of their guns so your team mates can easily kill them, and what will it net you? Exactly, 0SL and 0RP, ffs.
Or Air RB with tanks ("ground" RB), where it isn't economically viable to spawn more than 2 maybe 3 vehicles as the game will have devolved into (CAS) spawncaming within 5 minutes. IF the players could reliably make more SL, the wouldn't care if they loose some SL in a match and actually fight to the last vehicle. BEcause it wouldn't be a big deal. Instead, most leave after one or two spawns, to save SL.
So yeah, I am blaming Gajin, not the 288, or F2G, etc.
The F2G/288 spam imo are a result of how much they make for how little you need to work. I admit I contribute to it on the F2G behalf, but can you blame me? The game practically gives me SL just for flying it, and as I grind up closer to top tier I’m going to need it. I wish it were more exciting, more stuff like early jets, less schlock.
I contributed to the F2G spam as well, but there really wasn't anything I could do, I got it legit from the Battle Pass and it gives good rewards. I wanted to grind to the AD-4 and there was no fucking way in hell I'm playing ground attack aircrafts in Air RB
Also, I'm curious, is the F2G generally considered OP in the community or is it just an annoyance as it's spammed to hell and back?
@@supasoljas7824 Speaking as someone who usually fights them flying Japanese planes...
They're stupidly fast in a straight line, they climb stupidly fast, they dive stupidly fast and they hit hard. They're impossible to catch unless its in a turn. Sure, Japan faces a lot of things like that, but the F2G-1 cranks it up to 11.
But the thing is, I rarely feel that way. Most of the time I catch them low and slow in dogfights they shouldn't be in. They have little awareness and their first instinct is to pull hard on the stick and hope for the best. But if I face one who knows what they're doing, my options dry up considerably.
Its one of those fighters where inexperienced players have flocked to looking for an easy game and driven its WR and stats into the ground, making Gaijin think its struggling.
When I see them on my team, its really hit or miss. I've flown with some really good F2G pilots who dominate the entire match, sometimes before I even get there, and others that got clubbed in a full downtier.
The F2G is honestly probably both my least favourite and favourite aircraft to fly out, it was the cheapest good SL grinder I could find, got me out of being absolutely broke for honestly not much money, the aircraft is amazing, it has the Wasp Major engine, which is super torquey and gives you an absolute ton of power. It easily kills Ju288s, and as long as you know your aircraft well, then you’re able to kill most other enemies with ease.
Is it the most fun to fly? No, I prefer flying 4.3 or 9.0 if I’m honest (Swedish pyo, or Italian sag are just so much fun to fly)
But does it earn me sl? Yes, and that’s why I bought it in the first place
I recently had great match where i and some other guy killed maybe three people by staying close together, i think he killed two guys with me as a bait and the other one just fell into his sights before i had the chance. Whole time we were helping each other, it was way more fun than normal until i saw the breadcrumbs i got for it.
Rules for assigning rewards are just bs, i am not fan of people raging about kill stealing but if you spend few minutes building up for safe kill and then some guy just strolls into your crippled or disadvantaged target and gets the kill it's just depressing. Hopefully you atleast hit him before kill so you get assist. I often see players fighting about it even though this is completely artificially created problem by Gaijin.
I dont play ground battles but my brother does and its just as ridiculous how often he gets killed by some garden with cannon.
After scoring over 3,000 hours in this game, I can say that the P-51H is the best prop in the game without a doubt. It out-turns EVERYTHING you come against except for the bi and me-163 obviously, it's guns are quite good considering it takes down fighters in short sprays and bombers light on fire with just a few bullets, I've hit mach 0.9 in a dive before so it's quite fast in that aspect, it's WEP is powerful enough to pull you through a 25 degree climb at 190mph, and it has ammo to fight the entire lobby and then some. It can even get fully up tiered and still give the jets a run for their money, no questions asked. The H has been the best prop in the game for as long as I've been playing without a single doubt. Don't let any negative words about this plane convince you to not play it.
I beat 3 in a row the other day atleast 2 had alt advantage
@@quarreneverett4767 Being a better player in the moment doesn't make the plane worse, I have a friend who plays the Mig-15 Bis like an absolute monkey and he still averages a 1.5 - 2 k/d.
@@quarreneverett4767 Those pilots are just braindead lol. I've seen it too, some players are just bad.
false, he 51 b-2 best plane
Cool story but SU11 will trash P-51
I no longer fly out my favorite 109’s (the G14, G10, and K4) because it’s always the same shit- entire team of bombers that dies 4 minutes into the match leaving you and your other 1 or 2 teammates who actually brought fighters getting clapped by 5 or 6 fighters at once.
how small are your games where 4 planes is the entire team?
@@rancorusia the problem is that base bombing gives way too much reward which pushes more people to use bombers to get in bomb a base and die only to still make a profit while at the same time the game does not force teams to be balanced fighters to bombers so it is possible to have a team with 7/12 players in bombers going up against a team with 10/12 players being in fighters. This could be fixed by forcing team compositions to require something like 4 bombers/8 fighters for a 12 player team on both teams so that they are at least balanced that way at the expense of likely increasing queue times. Another fix that could be done would be the addition of penalties for border or base humping as the last players alive, it is not fair to the more successful team to lose because the last player decides to fly circles around their airfields AA coverage to let the AI win the game for them by killing everything that goes after them or fly to the map border never to be seen again.
@@jhorn64 base bombing doesn't give a lot for rewards, in my lancaster it's has a 8k repair cost and one base only gives 4k sl back. So really I have to bomb two bases and get a few hits on the enemy to get a profit
@@jhorn64 base bombing rewards aren't a lot. The 288's modifier for rp and SL is what makes them popular along with their speed and borked defensive armament
The hard part is convincing your teammated to ignore the bombers and keep altitude.
But that one low altitude bomber kill tho..
10:08 *INSTANT SMASH KEYBOARD*
The P-51H in sim is goated, I remember one of my first few matches I got in a dogfight with 3 Me-262s and it was such a fun fight and I got them all but I had to rtb immediately
288s are a big issue for super props. The other issue though is how undertier’d a lot of the US planes are compared to every other country besides the USSR which is pretty balanced for once. A good example is vs the G56 you can just play it as dumb as possible and still win. It has almost no advantages other than a one circle turn which is easy to avoid. Yet it’s rated the same as the P51H.
Yak3U is severely undertiered, same with the BI.
@@reinbeers5322 Those Yak-3s fucking STOMP Americans and even 109 spam struggles against them
@@PhoenixFires The best Yak3U counter I have found is an A7M or Ki84, everything else just falls a little short.
@@reinbeers5322 A7Ms are sooooo fun. Absolutely awesome dogfighters and have an excellent damage model.
Seeing the wings flex on the p51 occasionally throughout the video is really cool.
The plane that scared defyn in a bf109
@N!ckN4me even in a spitfire the 51H is pretty scary. Have to play very carefully if I see one
@@williamspencer1978 Yeah, can attest, flew in a P51H and out turned a Spitfire somehow, which made me go like "wtf" for the dude.
@N!ckN4me Nah the D30 is both slower above like 3km and climbs worse than a K4.
Yooo jetnoob upload!!!!! such a good vid man, love your content!
recently ive been flying the griffon spitfire at 6.7, and its actually very fun. i didnt get to meet ju288 that often and instead was greeted with, what you talked about, premium prop/jet players who dont know what theyre doing and its really fun.
I unlocked the he162 this weekend. Yep. 4 ju288s and 3 fighters every match. Lost every match.
The other day I took a Yak-9UT out and in one match I was astonished to see all kinds of super props and early jets, from Yak 15s to Griff Spits, 262s Ta 152s, P-51s, Ki-84s.
I wish we had more of those matchups
Legend says they will never stop grinding
I love the P-51H it’s just sad that the match maker is so boring at 6.3. Also what’s your thoughts on F-11?
its just as bad, even worse playing on the axis side b/c you often get the small 6v6 matches and it really just ends up being a 2v6 or 1v6 if there is also an attacker. Been maxed uptiered a few times when playing Fw190 d12 and its pure pain. 288 pilots are utterly useless and whenever i check their stat cards the winrates of that bomber are so stupid low. normally only about 30%
i have a question about wt sl wise, I tend to have little to no money due to repair costs being high and well “skill issues” , even when i get 3 kille in a Air rb, i still only come out with enough to support my repair costs. Any grinding tips?
Talk about the F-86's & Cl-13's fighting MiG-21's, Harriers, A-5's etc... BR 9.0 & 10.0 are worse imo!
F86 can atleast out dogfight them. The t2? Not so much...
I have, extensively.
Or the mig-21PFM which literally gets eaten alive by everything.
Like, it legit has no real weponry, and loses all of it's speed in a single turn, while struggling to get it back simply due to how fat it is.
I personally dont run away in a 288. I go straight from base to target and back. Sometimes i deviate to strafe bots and shoot down bot planes. I know i can outrun most things and anything that can get close usually doesnt have a good time with the turrets.
Please make another video about an Italian prop, I loved the G55's one
Honestly late props are a big contributing factor in US players getting to jets much earlier then they should. From 5.7-6.7 it's pretty much free kills every game with no real risk of loss. The F2G is everywhere, throw in some F4U-4Bs and other teams don't have much chance.
against k4's the f2gs and 4bs are pretty evenly matched. It's just the only thing most of the germans fly is the 288
I feel ya. This was my favorite BR area for almost all nations and now its ruined by 288 spam. don't even want to play the game anymore cause 6.0 was all i had fun in :(
Try anything Bristish that costs tripple compared to anything US, for similar planes. The Sea Fury doesn't have its wartime engine setting, and no octane like it should have as deployed in WW2, nor does alot of the UK planes have Octane like they used in WW2.
No one side climbs anymore so you're the only one left with any altitude and a dead team. Naval? Oh it's full of bots with 4000 deaths and 100 kills....
The Sea Fury was deployed in WW2?
@@Tom-jw7ii Nope, it came after the war as a carrier-based attacker after it got turned down for land-based use.
Glad im down at 3.0s and 4.0s...
(A-20G Havoc is my go to plane for America btw)
And you are actually good because i cant even survive a game in fighter so i fly strike aircraft
YOOOOO IT’S HERE and the same thing happens In my p38k, but You should play the 4u4b because the 20mm chew them up (I think You already made a video of it though)
Thats why i mostly play props exclusively in arcade and occasionally jets in rb but mostly arcade as well because i want to have some action and not just play flight sim. The problem ive had in arcade though is you will have 2 people that just kill ground targets and the game will be over in 5 minutes. The first fight is always a head on fight where you get rammed into and by the time you get back to the action in your second plane the match is already over. They either need to increase the amount of tickets in arcade or just make ground targets other than the bases not count for tickets. I think if realistic battles had a spawn point system like ground battles i would play it alot more too because i like having a lineup of planes to use rather than just one.
lmfao arcade player
Ki-84s have the same problem but on the receiving end: 288 spam as allies against things that can do very well ganging up against you (since most 288s just die). It does very well against the P-51H, Spitfires, and even the Ta-152H and Yaks sometimes alone, but it doesn't matter since they'll both come against you at once. Such a pain to work with those 288 guys, even more of a pain to work against them since my Ki-84 pilot keeps getting sniped.
I love the ta152 but I share a similar opinion on the 288, despite having used it to make up for awful repair costs
The Ta-152 is a menace. I ran into a squad of 4 yesterday hovering at 20K feet and just left the battlefield.
Good video this. Haven’t seen your channel before but imma check out some more
SO TRUE ITS SO HARD WITH THE BF109 and fw 190 are PAIN
its at the point now where you have to alternate between arcade and rb depending on your BR just to perhaps have a sliver of fun
7.0 to 9.0 is also a pain in the ass at the moment. It seems like everyone in any plane with any speed advantage only want to push headons even when they are in really powerful aircrafts that can do so much more including. And since its the lowest br are where sams are at airfields the amount of airfield camping is absurd. Also dont know what it is with german mains but it is almost always a german g91 or fw190 running and af camping.
Well to be fair dogfighting at 8.0+ BR usually results in the teammate of your opponent killing you while you're exposed, head ons are fairly safe and rewarding as long as you don't commit.
“Skill issue actual.”
Please remind me to use this as my military code name in two years.
"Oh no 288s, what am I and my 28 cylinder engine gonna do? I only have 6 .50 cals!"
It’s a good thing I played this prop when it was op af. 5km going 720kph in a flat line for 15 seconds is pretty fast if you ask me. Ever since they nerfed speed it isn’t the same.
I play the F-89B at 7.0 but when I get a down tier I try to assist my fellow prop planes. I love flying with P-51H’s. They cover my turning weakness and I cover the speed and guns department.
I’ll engage enemies at an altitude advantage, I’ll take on any jets and if need be I can strafe a 288 that’s giving us grief. But for the most part I try not to interfere or kill steal a dogfight between props.
So if you see an F-89B flying red smoke, thatd be me.
Surprisingly 6.0 has been one of my favorite tiers lately, though I’m incredibly biased as I practically main the ki83 and the ta152, with some spitfire mixed in for spice
joob how does ur enemies names look so bold and easy to see?
“The first time I ever saw a jet, I shot it down.” - Joob probably
I saw this video when i was still at 2.0 or 2.3 back in February/March (around when i started playing). Now, my highest BR tech tree vehicle is the Spitfire LF Mk.IX (highest BR plane is the Me-262 A1a/U1 atm) and i can totally relate. Ju-288 spam, Do-335 or Fw-190D space climbers that dive every now and then knowing no one can catch them, 6v6 matches... It just sucks. Worst part is that the plane i want to get right now, the Meteor F Mk.3, requires me to play Rank 4, so it's either playing my very average but kinda fun Spitfire Mk.XVI with the clipped wings, suffer in the LF Mk.IX with better multipliers.... or suffer in the Whirlwind or Brigand... rough
Could you review the harrier premium for UK?? Compared to the US version??
I stopped playing the Ju-288 when it become 6.0, so you can imagine how I feel about that BR range. +Mixed battles for Germany both in tanks and naval 5.7 is the meta, so I use the Ju-188 now!
What was it before?
@@nokiabrick2689 Both the Ju-288 and even the He-177 use to be 5.7!
@@TomPrickVixen so because ot became .3 br higher you stopped playing it?
@@nokiabrick2689 Yes; since both the naval and tank popular BR for Germany is 5.7, and in air RB it's in the reach of the 1st jets (7.0)!
@@nokiabrick2689 Same goes for: KV-1C , B1ter, T31, Sagitario, T-34/57(1942) AMX-13, Chi-Nu II ... just to name some others too. I no longer play those on their current BR!
One of my favorite planes of all time is the F7F-1 Tigercat which falls at 6.3, constantly playing against jets lol
I got the F4U 4B last week I was so hyped to play a 5.7 plane that was until I saw max repair cost is 12 K and the BR is full with jets ,I won 1 out of 3 matches and lost all my silver lions so until I get the P 80 I wont touch anything above 5.0
Imo there are 2 things they can do to make this plane more playable: Uptier the Ju-288 to atleast 6.7. it can out speed any 6.0-6.3 fighter, out guns all of them and is one of the most survivable bombers in the game (I've set both engines on fire simultaneously and both almost always go out). And lower it's repair to 6-8k. 11k is ridiculous for a very average plane that gets terrible matchmaking and gets out classed alot.
I don't think the uptier would fix the issue. The main reason to play the 288 is desperation for SL. You WILL die in a 288, but you gain SL by bombing. I think the only way to deal with the core issue is an econ overhaul to make each playstyle profitable and perhaps survival a multiplier rather than flat SL award.
Just got my first 6.0 today, F4U-4B. I knew ju288 where gonna be a problem, but this is stupid. How ever, i did pull a SU57 top gun maneuver to avoid fire from a 262, didn’t mean to but i worked out, how ever i lost the fight, any tips at all for 6.0? I already tried quitting but the game is to fun 😂
Well even with the 288 spam, even if you get uptiered to jets, then you have to deal with the Su-11 spam which in my opinion, is even worse then the 288 spam
I play the Ju 288 and at least for me it makes more sense if you stay as long al possible in a game especially when you have one or more boosters on because most of them only last one game so I want to max out my sl and rp gains. It is also very frustrating when a p 51 or any other plane comes and kills you when you haven’t even released your bombs yet. I know it’s not really fun to play at 6.0 and killing Ju 288s all the time but it’s basically a free kill so I won’t complain.
I really need to get back to props. Some gorgeous dogfights have come from there.
weren't there also those BI's you mentioned on stream lol?
Some of these reasons are also what I like about the F2G super prop corsair.
La-9, Ta-152: Welcome to “The Zone”, mate
Well now you get to feel the pain of what it felt like to play Germany superprops back in the "5.7 top BR props" day, when every match you were going up against the US with over 60% bombers. Spading the T-152C when it first came out was at least easy, sniping bombers.
Some years ago there was the B 29 spam , lower Br than the Ju288, it was almost impossible to kill the to the their high speed and altitude spawn. They fixed it and replaced it with the Ju288, obviously Gayjin does not learn from their mistakes.
God I wish there was a ranking where you could play in historica battles, or at least have them ranked within a few years of each other.
Laughs in J-22
“AA BULLETS GO BRRRRRRR”
I had really low SL a while ago so I got the JU 288 to get money but as soon as I got enough to be stable I just stopped playing it for the most part because playing the 288 is almost as boring as hunting them down in planes must be.
could you fo a vid of how to play early jets properly bcs im having my troubles fighting off Premiums
I agree bro, the ju288s ruin 6.0
this video inspired me to hop into my ju 288
It's great in Ground RB....best thing is you see a lot of 109 F-G's, 262's and much more you rarely see 288's and when you do just head on them.
about the games taking longer due to bombers, i find it good for grinding cause during that time you can just kill ground and air ai for lot of rp/sl
To be fair I’ve taken a 2 year break from war thunder and the 288 was the underrated back then but I joined a game recently and everyone was automatically hating on me cuz I was using it
Damn. Too bad I'm stuck at this god-awful tier.
This is literally my favorite plane to fly. The ju 288 spam makes easy kills and this plane can literally dominate any fighter or even early jets. The only thing I hate is that the repair cost on the P-51h is massive
Me living my late-ww2 prop dogfighting dreams:
the downtiered 7.3br jets outperforming me in virtually every way: *I have come to take your spine*
Great video! Love myself a turbo prop
I actually might pick up both the ju 288 and the P51H
I'm at fault for dragging matches with the ju288, but it's also mad fun to use it like a death star and hunt other players
I really enjoy the game commentary please make more
I used to play the mk24 a lot lot. It was my favourite plane but back then air rb wasn't a bunch of people grinding in the middle. I feel like the whole prop part of air RB is a miserable mess mind you I took a 2 year break so I don't really know what happened but it's disappointing as hell.
i am part of this problem as a proud owner of the j288c lol i use it when i need to farm some sl quick.. sorry not sorry i guess. awesome vids
hey jetboob, can u do a video one the j7ii? thanks
Ju 288 is one of the 4 pillars of Gaijin business model. Economy in this game is so fked up that casuals need to fly that in order to keep up on SL
As a german main, I hate getting into these lobbies with all the 288s because it leaves me and the one other fighter on our team to fight an entire allied team that consists of spitfires, bearcats, and F-82s :,)
Man I managed to boom&zoom an f89 in a k4, that was hilarius in more than 1 way.
Yes but have you ever played ME262's nowadays?
Reggiane 2005 is my favourite plane in the whole game.
It also his my least played plane in the whole game
we not gonna talk about the casual $350 plane 😂 3:38
I felt blue balled at the end
I avoid that br bracket for the same reasons. Some of my favorite props are there, but I can't enjoy them because I get outnumbered or simply I have to fight against bombers. I did a video in my channel were I propose a possible solution (for this and other problems) if you are interested.
Just make then be whit japan/ussr every game
There needs to be a game mode for High BR aircraft brought down to a low BR rating to allow lower tier players to enjoy high tier aircraft.
F2Gs and Ju-288s are the only viable 6.0 air vehicles. Plus the F2G was so easy to get and cheap compared to other planes and helos it was the only vehicle I have that is over 5.0 in air
I bought my way into jets at first too and I’d be willing to say it took me a solid 2 or 3 extra months on top of normal players just from not having prop experience but people who get jets then say it’s the players being too good are bull they just don’t understand the new style of fighting you need
I'll be honest, I ground out a decent chunk of the US air tree and a lot of SL with the F2G, yeah, fuck that BR. I took out a couple Ju 288Cs and a fair few fighters, jets and props, but god that BR is so aggravating
What happened to the bomber limit?
P51 h turns extremely well
as a new viewer i am surprised by how he knows the planes names that well
The 288s have also ruined playing the 162, which really sucks because it’s my favorite plane.
I mostly played 6.0 match with F4U-4B. It has decent turn rate, decent speed, and powerful 4 barrels of 20mm. And If I dive and gain some speed, it can even chase the 7.0 jets. I make so many SL and so many kills with this buddy.
And god, I love this plane.
F2G-1 tho