Nice video Sam I liked the realisticNess of the duchess of Rutland plus I liked the way you filmed the pullman train slowly departing from the front amazing nice one
Sam, the slope on smoke box top was made that way to accommodate the streamlined casing. Later after casing was removed, at major overhauls many were refitted with a conventional smoke box. Ha ha, a shout out would be fun.
City of Nottingham was my first Hornby locomotive that still holds a special place in my heart, I still have it as part of the 1991 Night Mail Express trainset that also included elevated track supports as well as the operating mail coach, wonderful set even if she is tender driven. (quite tempting to get a Railroad version to swap the chassis over for loco drive to be honest)
Received the lovely ‘Sir William Stanier’ from the new Princess Coronations and its easily my best model yet, plan on buying the BR blue one coming out in December as well. Thanks for the video Sam!
There were great moments at Carlisle back in the early '60s when the locomotive versions of two great engineers met: Stanier and No7 - Sir Nigel Gresley. Very sad that the former didn't survive into preservation.
Thanks for all your help Sam thanks to you and a couple others I’ve been able to develop a decent United Kingdom collection of engines and locomotives your reviews really are helpful and saw your maintenance tips I really really appreciate it I have a relatively large American lay out that dates back almost 60 years my father started it but now have to build a small diorama for my UK stuff I have a 9FPrincess Elizabeth the Berkeley a couple of black fives and inner-city 125 an inner-city 225 and a virgin voyager thanks for all of your help
Just picked this video up. The slope was a left over from streamlining. After the streamline casing was removed the smokebox was left slightly tapered.
Ooh, that's quite a hard one! I think the odd one out is the single-wheeler next to the country station but I'm not really sure. I'm probably wrong. Cheers, Luca
Great review Sam :) all things considered they seem amazing! And I think you are right it is "bull" about the new ones! The detail really isn't bad and from the look of things it wouldn't be hard to paint up the cab, buy some spare cylinder cocks and fit those. The weathering seems fairly nice too and the running is dead silent and smooth which is always a bonus - all the best mate :)
haha thanks mate - glad you agreed with that! Absolutely, a little time and skill could save you £120! I couldn't believe how well these ran! :3 Thanks for watching, Sam :)
A couple of corkers there Sam Spot on with the slope on the smoke box. It is a throw back to the days of streamlining, the slope was so the smoke box would fit under the casing at the front end. When the streamlining was removed in the late 1940's the smoke boxes were originally left as fitted with the sloping top, but as they passed through Crewe works in the 1950's for their regular heavy overhauls the sloping boxes were replaced with with the more conventional flat topped boxes. I think the last sloping box loco was 46246 City of Manchester which didnt get its normal smoke box til March 1960. Then when 46229 Duchess of Hamilton was re-streamlined by the NRM in 2008-2009 she has a new sloping smoke built for her, so there is a sloped boxed Dutchess around, but the box is hidden by the casing. As for single chimneys, the first 14 all had single chimneys when first built, but 6234 Duchess of Abercorn was built with a double one in 1939, and it showed better performance than the first built batch, so all later ones were built with doubles and the first 14 converted to doubles between 1939 and 1944. Favourite? can't choose, the BR Crimson with weathering looks magnificent, but there is something very characterful about Rutlands sloping smoke box, so honours even on that front. Odd one out? Did I see a B1 interloper from the Eastern region parked up by the turntable? Have a great w/e, Jon
Thanks so much Jon! Ahh good to hear I guessed right, hehe! Right - so did Hornby make the single chimney version in this era then? I'd suppose they must have! Yes the B1 was the odd one out, well spotted! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Must get one to see how it compares with my tender drive version. I must say I prefer the older moving pony truck rather than the new fixed flangeless type. The older ones are also more tolerant of sharp radius points.
Thanks Gareth! Yeah absolutely - I thought the idea of making a new version was to make it more realistic... well that isn't what they've done with that pony truck ;D Thanks for the comment, Sam :)
7:16 I guess the sloping front was to fit the streamling it wore as well! I think I prefer the 46251 over the green one, but i like 46228's sloping smokebox!
Hi Sam, maybe it's already been said, I only scrolled back a bit. I think the gold box on the top of the frames is to do with oil lubrication. That slow speed control is remarkable. I take it the latest model has been done in cast gold? Bob.
Hi Robert, thanks for the comment - I think you might be right on that, I think people have pointed that out on other engines I've reviewed in the past! For almost £200 - it'd better be cast gold, live steam, with full digital sound! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I believe the smoke box sloped down to accommodate the streamlining!! Once it was removed I can imagine that it was left for a while and then changed :)
The unstreamlined Coronation class is like a mix between the Schools Class and the Merchant Navy Class almost. But I perfer the streamlined version of the Coronation class. IT LOOKS AMAZING!
Hi Sam your right about the smoke box on Rutland it was built as a streamlined type loco. It had its streamlining removed in the war. I bought my four duchess/ coronations in 2001 I payed £89 each. Hornby are having a laugh at the price of the new one.
I have the Princess Elizabeth in BR Green from the same era of manufacture, and find it so good I have bought two more Princess Royals from the same era. The rear trucks also rotate, but seem to have a smaller gap with the body than the Coronations. I find the detailing on these perfectly adequate, and the motor one of the best. I also have the later Hornby 'City of Liverpool' which also satisfies my wants. I'm not sure that I will succumb to any of the new models, gorgeous as they are. My two 'new' Princesses (R3015 Princess Royal Class BR 4-6-2 Princess Arthur Of Connaught 46207 and R2448 'LADY PATRICIA' BR BLUE WEATHERED 4-6-2 LOCO 46210) are as new and cost me a total of £195. I got tempted to buy these after revisiting an old video by Intercity1980. I do miss his reviews, and wish he would return. ps. please change those awful vacuum pipes.
Thanks for the comment William, Ahh of course - yes those princesses are just as good! I think that's the problem - the detail on these was already adequate (save maybe the cab detail and cylinder cocks etc), and the performance just can't be beaten! I would absolutely love to buy the new one too, because they are superb, but it seems clear that my money can be much better spent elswhere! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Have you ever done any artificial weathering, or do you know of a tutorial I could use? I have an old HO Rivarossi UP Big Boy #4005 and it's a bit imperfect (missing pilot deck handrails, dimming light bulb, that's about it), but once I get her back in shape I'd love to add some weathering to her. It's at least 40 years old, as the smokebox is flat black like the rest of the engine, the newer ones are silver-colored (or steel, again I am new to this). She still runs great, but I think I'd keep her as primarily a decoration for the layout I plan on building with my dad. Maybe I'll get an MTH #4014 to run alongside her, as that's the one that currently being restored.
I love the way you said the new one out soon and it will be better ....? Just hope the new one don't have dodgy motors and trim falling off that seem to be Hornby way at the moment
haha yeah - I'd filmed this before it was released! Absolutely - it better run like the real thing for almost £200 - sadly I can't justify that price though, so I won't find out ;D Cheers, Sam :)
They both look good to me, but I have to say I prefer Duchess of Rutland, it think it is because of the interesting vacuum pipes and the name. Nearly £200 for the new version is a shocker! I paid that for a Bachmann DCC sound locomotive (Class 37 and I am very pleased with it).
Thanks Ian - yes actually that BR green is a very smart livery, and I like those pipes too! I know - I can't believe it either - hopefully people will vote with their wallets! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
maybe the new coronation is brass that would account for the price. also in the last review you asked about a 1p, well the alx terrier was classed 0P, ether it was weak or overpowered
It's possible, and that would be some justification - but I'm told that they are in fact plastic, which is dreadful. I could be wrong though, because I've not seen one myself! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey sam just a quick quedtion i have bought a coronation today its an older model and is in good condition the only probkem with is flange on the back left wheel and the linkage on the forward and back a bit loose how would uou repair this? P.s the reffrence number is R.066
Hey Daniel, thanks a lot for the comment - that can sometimes happen - what I do is apply a small amount of superglue to the wheel, and force the metal tyre back on - just be very careful not to let the glue spread beyond the inner wheel! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hey Daniel - it could be a number of things, most common are split gears, bad quartering, jammed rods or an axle failure of some kind - is one of your engines in trouble?? :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains no its just the wheels keep locking ive loosend then tightent the screws on the centre wheel for the gear and oild the the axels just now and i hope the solves it.Plus the guy i bought it fron did say that the previous owner past away and his engines hsdnt been used in about a decade so is probably just needs yo strech its legs again
Have you ever done a review of the Lady Godiva? And Idk, for some reason I REALLY don't like weathering on a locomotive. I really love seeing what a locomotive looks like when it was brand new. Some like it, I don't really. Even if they were really that dirty irl. An example I like to use are the 8500 Gas Turbines. FILTHY things irl, but I never like seeing them dirty in model form. Other than that, streamlined or unstreamlined the Coronation is such a lovely looking locomotive.
No not yet! But I will if people want me to! haha that's fair enough - quite a few have said that, and I prefer them pristine too :3 Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam liked the review on the City of Nottingham nice seeing it on your layout. I was looking at the Wrenn one on ebay it was in the BR Black with red lining so tempted to buy it the price held me back at £750 ;( Hope you right about the New Hornby one do hope it will be die cast then I may get one. Must admit the Wrenn one was a rare model.!! Also just seen a Hornby dublo 3 rail model in black. Would also like to point out the earlier Hornby City of Nottingham which is tender driven the linkage on that model looks so much stronger less likely to jam up.
Thanks Michael! Blimey - yeah that's a lot even for a Wrenn one! They are great - but not worth £750 in any livery - they're all just as nice really! That's definitely true though - the old versions were much more sturdy! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Nice locomotives Sam, a mate of mine bought the City of Nottingham new when it was released, to my knowledge it has never been run. The last loco I bought was a duchess , not Hornby . Might not ever buy a new release Hornby again, you would think a new loco would run straight from the box, by the way that Duchess I bought was a Wrenn. Regards John from OZ.
Thanks a lot John - ooh good choice with the Wrenn, you won't beat that for reliability! The new Hornby release does look fab - but I just can't believe the price! Cheers, Sam :)
Hello mate, just wanted to say that you did a great job with this new video, like always, and that Prince Coronation Class Hornby locomotive looks spectacular :D Noah: )
Sam this may be a old vid but a new comment I wanted to tell when they de streamlined it had the sloping smoke box because the streamlining was curved at the front as u know and de streamlined versions were under it so for the curve they had to slop it a little
The sloping boiler is a sign she used to be streamlined. When de streamlined she retained the original boiler until reboilering . So it’s quite right to have an early green livery on it. It would have been equally accurate in blue.
but you said they said he use to run it all the time.maybe he didn't have what he needed to fix it in his old age but if he ran it alot that shows he loved his model train none the less and now it has moved on to be loved by a new generation of man kind to enjoy just as much as that old man did as well
Hi Sam, I prefer the City of Nottingham, just something about a maroon & gold livery. I agree with you about the costs/RRP of the upcoming model update by Hornby, probably not realistic when compared to other recent models.
Puh, Over here a little Diesel shunter cost's over 200 Euro And a Steam Locomotive with tender up to 500 Euro, absolutly stupid. They dont even look like if they have a Lot of Detail. That's why I use Thomas and Friends Toy's like Wooden Railway.
Blimey! That is ridiculous - especially when you imagine the things you can buy with that kind of money... tablets, TVs, even a PC! I just don't believe that prices like that are necessary or justified! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam'sTrains Hey Sam! I was curious if you could do a running session? A Green Running Session? (Like the Red Running Session you did?) THANK YOU MUCH!!!!
Especially the pricing e.g. by Märklin, Trix, Fleischmann, and Roco in Germany. Unacceptable by people with a normal income. They have a pricing so as the pharmacies for high cost medications, hehe. And their locos will be produced in VR China so as the locos of Hornby. But Hornby has a more acceptable pricing at several times. Similar to Piko in Germany.
There is a US manufacturer which produces three lines of models, one is standard with mostly molded parts, one is premium with many hand applied details, and one is museum quality with so many details only collectors wish to buy them, up to $800 for a museum quality loco, well worth £600... What bothers me is that the museum quality models outsell the standard models...
Nice! The duchesses are nice locos. The new tooling by Hornby seems to sort out a few of the issues there were with the old tooling - for example that gaping gap between the body and the trailing truck axle. The cheapest I've found it for is £150 which seems to me a decent price for a new tooling, large express loco. However I do admit I would be more likely to buy the older one, seeing as it's probably going to see a large price reduction now the new one is out.
Thanks Lukas! Yeah I noticed that... but in doing so they've made the model very unrealistic - those trucks were supposed to be articulated, not fixed! Hmm yeah £150 is okay, but I believe the bodywork is still plastic, so I'm still struggling to see how that could be justified! Thanks for watching mate, Sam :)
I don't think I ever gonna buy a factory weathered loco. The dirt (spread) is not realistic, they often only use one color (the mud-ish brown), and on a working loco there are specific parts that regularly cleaned (windows, the rods...), and parts that hardly gets dirty at all (buffers use to be greasy, not dusty...). But sometines I do buy pro-weathered trains, or I do it my self.
In Central Europe that price (190 GBP) is average for a new tender loco, most mid-range models like Roco, and Fleischmann steamers goes for that. The most expensive train I ever brought was a train set, for 375 euro (335 GBP), and for a single loco 230 euro (205 GBP), with pre-order (that's almost 20% off).
Have you tried inserting the locos and tenders with a plastic bag in place so you can just lift the plastic to get them out. Roco/Fleischmann do this and it saves breaking things!
Once again, this is a beautiful model Sam! I wanted to tell you my latest research discovery! An attempt was made to preserve a 4th example but sadly it failed! :( That example was No. 46243 City of Lancaster! Still, its good to have 3 preserved examples!
It's been answered but the Coronation locos that had the sloped firebox at the top would have been streamlined locomotives originally. When the streamlining casing was removed, the slope was quite obvious. Also, an originally streamlined locos had a distinctive difference in the running board under the boiler though above the wheels towards the front bogie. The streamlined locos would have a clear break in the boiler running plate and that over the front bogie, a very clear 'step' in the running board. The easiest way to distinguish is to check a non-streamlined loco where the running board was one complete entity but sloped in a curve to the horizontal over the front buffers. The curved running board shows that it was never streamlined. That 'curve' is missing on the locos that were originally streamlined: the running boards were two horizontals. In fact it's very apparent in your two locomotives. However, as the locos aged and were repaired/maintained, the sloping firebox was replaced with a normal firebox.
Thanks very much - yes I had guessed that this was the case! It's quite nice that Hornby picked up on this and represented it with their models - they obviously did their research! Thanks again for all the info, Cheers, Sam :)
Sam I just had an idea perhaps one day you could start your own model shop call it SAM'S TRAINS that would get rails of Sheffeild and Hattons worried hehehe
I’m sure that the previous owner of the Dutches of Rutland Would be happy to know that the model has gone to someone who is going to love and look after it
I couldn't choose which one I'd rather buy in the poll. Because I'm on a budget, I'd choose whichever was cheapest if I found them. Weathered or unweathered doesn't bother me, if it looks nice, I'll buy it
Well done on the live program. Did you get my question, would be good to watch. “Are you intending to do the BRM cake box challenge ? “ keep up the good work. 👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks so much! Unfortunately I don't have access to the chat after the stream ends - so I only see the ones I happen to notice! That does sound awesome - but I'm not much of a modeller ;D Thanks again, Sam :)
Hi sam the smoke box is slopt so the streamlining would fit probably the city of Nottingham was never streamline and the name plates are at wollanton hall and i too have this loco and i am from Nottingham funny isent it i have a b17 named Nottingham forest love the videos
A full list or a special on metal locos would be helpful. I've collected 2 Bachmann and 5 Hornby locomotives in the past year. All are recent releases and none have a metal boiler.
I couldn't tell you for sure actually - and it's certainly not something they've done often - I cant think of any models from this year that have had it :/ All the best, Sam :)
In the US, only MTH and Broadway Limited do it. and still not every time. It really makes a huge difference in the feel and operating characteristics of the locomotive.
Is there any chance you're going to do a Coronation class review, but the new Hornby 2017 tooling? I'd love to know your opinion on it, comparing it to the old tooling its just replaced, such as your Duchess of Rutland for example. I have a BR blue Duchess of Gloucester and Hornby have just revealed they are making it again in the exact same form, but just in the new tooling. I just wondered if the new tooling is worth buying or if they are exactly the same and don't warrant a higher price tag. £200 is appallingly expensive. I enjoy your reviews greatly, to the point that your review persuaded me to purchase one of Hatton's Andrew Barclay industrial tanks. (Which I adore!) Keep up the great work! 😊
Hey! Yeah I would like to pick one up - if the prices go down, I may well do! I decided they couldn't possibly warrant the price tag - but I couldn't justify buying one in the first place :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I agree with your comment about the Blue "Duchess of Gloucester", just missed out on one for £65 on eBay, but would definitely not buy one that looks pretty much the same but is marked up at an extra £135+. I have 4 Duchess's, one a rare R1004 "City of Bradford" with the black wheels and motion.
Very nice Sam, it’s been awhile since I saw one of your videos and had forgotten how good they are. I have decided not to renew my Hornby Member Club subscription, they are pricing themselves too high. Even with my club discount I can get items cheaper from Hatton and Rails of Sheffield’s, or even ebay. Their Visitors Centre, just around the corner from me, is even more expensive. Cannot remember when I last purchased anything from them…Simon
Thanks so much Simon - lovely to hear from you too, how have you been? Ahh yeah that's a good point - they're so high with their pricing, it renders the club useless, lol! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
2 Fantastic buys in as new condition. And being a bit older have a fully articulated rear pony trail, unlike newer models.
Two very beautiful steam locos.
Thanks very much Norbert,
Cheers,
Sam :)
I get back from a long day at Severn Valley and come home to a Sam'sTrains video on the princess coronation class. Today is a good day
Ooh that's lovely to hear mate!
Thanks again for yesterday,
Sam :)
Such pretty locos. I honestly love the Princess Corrination Class locos
Thanks very much - so glad you liked them!
Cheers,
Sam :)
I am glad that the old guys train ended up in your hands, someone who will look after it.
Nice video Sam I liked the realisticNess of the duchess of Rutland plus I liked the way you filmed the pullman train slowly departing from the front amazing nice one
Thanks very much mate - really glad you enjoyed seeing that! :D
Cheers mate,
Sam :)
So happy to see this, and the Duchess of Sutherland being at the Crewe Heritage Centre.
Amazing work Sam :3
That's fantastic to hear - thanks very much, glad you enjoyed it!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Sam, the slope on smoke box top was made that way to accommodate the streamlined casing. Later after casing was removed, at major overhauls many were refitted with a conventional smoke box. Ha ha, a shout out would be fun.
Thanks for that mate - looks like my guess was right then!! :D
I'll put you down for that,
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
City of Nottingham was my first Hornby locomotive that still holds a special place in my heart, I still have it as part of the 1991 Night Mail Express trainset that also included elevated track supports as well as the operating mail coach, wonderful set even if she is tender driven. (quite tempting to get a Railroad version to swap the chassis over for loco drive to be honest)
Ahh lovely - they really are wonderful! Still working well today?!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The Purpus of the streamlined smokebox was that the streamlining would fit over the Engine
Ahh okay! I thought as much - thanks for letting me know!
Cheers,
Sam :)
And they were referred to as 'Semi streamed' or 'Semi's'
Received the lovely ‘Sir William Stanier’ from the new Princess Coronations and its easily my best model yet, plan on buying the BR blue one coming out in December as well. Thanks for the video Sam!
Ahh that's great to hear - they are indeed superb! Hope you enjoy the forthcoming one too! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
There were great moments at Carlisle back in the early '60s when the locomotive versions of two great engineers met: Stanier and No7 - Sir Nigel Gresley. Very sad that the former didn't survive into preservation.
Thanks for all your help Sam thanks to you and a couple others I’ve been able to develop a decent United Kingdom collection of engines and locomotives your reviews really are helpful and saw your maintenance tips I really really appreciate it I have a relatively large American lay out that dates back almost 60 years my father started it but now have to build a small diorama for my UK stuff I have a 9FPrincess Elizabeth the Berkeley a couple of black fives and inner-city 125 an inner-city 225 and a virgin voyager thanks for all of your help
Hi Bill, no problem mate - that's really good to hear! Thanks a lot for the lovely comment!
Cheers,
Sam :)
I love these locomotive classes!
I do too - thanks for the comment!
Cheers,
Sam :)
It's amazing and the detail and how she runs great review
Thank you mate! Really glad you liked these :3
Cheers,
Sam :)
Amazing video I like the weathering on the princess
Thank you Liam - yes that weathering does come out very nicely!
Cheers,
Sam :)
The smoke box is like that, because she was one of the streamlined engines. When the streamlining was taking off it left the slop in the front.
Ahh that's good to hear - my guess was right then! :D
Cheers mate,
Sam :)
I like the unstreamlined version of the coronation class locos. And she looks good in any color especially blue and black. :)
Yeah me too - it's a very handsome design! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Just picked this video up. The slope was a left over from streamlining. After the streamline casing was removed the smokebox was left slightly tapered.
Yes that's absolutely right - what a great thing for Hornby to include on the model! :O
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Another nice and beautiful loco from Sam and some beautiful ratings btw
Thanks so much - glad you agreed mate!
Cheers,
Sam :)
You get a big thumbs up just for restoring something that an old man probaly loved!
Thanks very much mate - yeah I felt very good about doing that - and now I love her too!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Awesome review Sam! You covered her brilliantly :) She really does look fantastic :D
Thanks very much Mark - much appreciated mate! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
The smoke box is sloped because Princess Coronations that have that have had the streamlining taken off. Great video! Cheers, Luca
Yes you're right - such a cool feature on the model! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Again a nice loco Sam!
Thanks very much as always Marco!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Ooh, that's quite a hard one! I think the odd one out is the single-wheeler next to the country station but I'm not really sure. I'm probably wrong. Cheers, Luca
Thanks Luca, and well spotted - I think it was! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great review Sam :) all things considered they seem amazing! And I think you are right it is "bull" about the new ones! The detail really isn't bad and from the look of things it wouldn't be hard to paint up the cab, buy some spare cylinder cocks and fit those. The weathering seems fairly nice too and the running is dead silent and smooth which is always a bonus - all the best mate :)
haha thanks mate - glad you agreed with that! Absolutely, a little time and skill could save you £120!
I couldn't believe how well these ran! :3
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
A couple of corkers there Sam
Spot on with the slope on the smoke box. It is a throw back to the days of streamlining, the slope was so the smoke box would fit under the casing at the front end. When the streamlining was removed in the late 1940's the smoke boxes were originally left as fitted with the sloping top, but as they passed through Crewe works in the 1950's for their regular heavy overhauls the sloping boxes were replaced with with the more conventional flat topped boxes. I think the last sloping box loco was 46246 City of Manchester which didnt get its normal smoke box til March 1960. Then when 46229 Duchess of Hamilton was re-streamlined by the NRM in 2008-2009 she has a new sloping smoke built for her, so there is a sloped boxed Dutchess around, but the box is hidden by the casing.
As for single chimneys, the first 14 all had single chimneys when first built, but 6234 Duchess of Abercorn was built with a double one in 1939, and it showed better performance than the first built batch, so all later ones were built with doubles and the first 14 converted to doubles between 1939 and 1944.
Favourite? can't choose, the BR Crimson with weathering looks magnificent, but there is something very characterful about Rutlands sloping smoke box, so honours even on that front.
Odd one out? Did I see a B1 interloper from the Eastern region parked up by the turntable?
Have a great w/e,
Jon
Thanks so much Jon!
Ahh good to hear I guessed right, hehe!
Right - so did Hornby make the single chimney version in this era then? I'd suppose they must have!
Yes the B1 was the odd one out, well spotted! :D
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
Lovely locomotive I have a British railways experimental blue one and it's lovely
Ooh wow I bet the blue is just fantastic! :D
All the best,
Sam :)
Thanks Sam keep up with the good work love your videos
Must get one to see how it compares with my tender drive version. I must say I prefer the older moving pony truck rather than the new fixed flangeless type. The older ones are also more tolerant of sharp radius points.
Thanks Gareth! Yeah absolutely - I thought the idea of making a new version was to make it more realistic... well that isn't what they've done with that pony truck ;D
Thanks for the comment,
Sam :)
on the green princess its front left buffer is twisted (@ 7:16)
haha yeah - that's something common with them - they're free to turn! ;D
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
The one with the sloping smoke box is a semi meaning it' still got its streamlined smoke box still fitted so it' now as a semi streamlined
Ahh awesome! Thanks a lot for letting me know!!
All the best,
Sam :)
Great to be back sam!
Thanks a lot Sam! :D
7:16 I guess the sloping front was to fit the streamling it wore as well!
I think I prefer the 46251 over the green one, but i like 46228's sloping smokebox!
Yeah that's right I think- others have said the same!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Hi Sam, maybe it's already been said, I only scrolled back a bit. I think the gold box on the top of the frames is to do with oil lubrication. That slow speed control is remarkable. I take it the latest model has been done in cast gold? Bob.
Hi Robert, thanks for the comment - I think you might be right on that, I think people have pointed that out on other engines I've reviewed in the past!
For almost £200 - it'd better be cast gold, live steam, with full digital sound!
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
I believe the smoke box sloped down to accommodate the streamlining!! Once it was removed I can imagine that it was left for a while and then changed :)
Ahh that's good to hear - my guess was spot on then, hehe!
Thanks for letting me know mate,
Sam :)
The unstreamlined Coronation class is like a mix between the Schools Class and the Merchant Navy Class almost. But I perfer the streamlined version of the Coronation class. IT LOOKS AMAZING!
haha yeah I see what you mean - it does look that way, lol! ;D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
The cab on Hornby's new princess coronations have got painted detail.
That's good to hear Adam - I suppose that's a given for the price!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Hi Sam your right about the smoke box on Rutland it was built as a streamlined type loco. It had its streamlining removed in the war. I bought my four duchess/ coronations in 2001 I payed £89 each. Hornby are having a laugh at the price of the new one.
Ooh that's good to hear - thanks very much for letting me know!
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
Sam'sTrains no worries mate.
I have the Princess Elizabeth in BR Green from the same era of manufacture, and find it so good I have bought two more Princess Royals from the same era. The rear trucks also rotate, but seem to have a smaller gap with the body than the Coronations. I find the detailing on these perfectly adequate, and the motor one of the best.
I also have the later Hornby 'City of Liverpool' which also satisfies my wants.
I'm not sure that I will succumb to any of the new models, gorgeous as they are.
My two 'new' Princesses (R3015 Princess Royal Class BR 4-6-2 Princess Arthur Of Connaught 46207 and R2448 'LADY PATRICIA' BR BLUE WEATHERED 4-6-2 LOCO 46210) are as new and cost me a total of £195.
I got tempted to buy these after revisiting an old video by Intercity1980. I do miss his reviews, and wish he would return.
ps. please change those awful vacuum pipes.
Thanks for the comment William, Ahh of course - yes those princesses are just as good!
I think that's the problem - the detail on these was already adequate (save maybe the cab detail and cylinder cocks etc), and the performance just can't be beaten!
I would absolutely love to buy the new one too, because they are superb, but it seems clear that my money can be much better spent elswhere!
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
Have you ever done any artificial weathering, or do you know of a tutorial I could use? I have an old HO Rivarossi UP Big Boy #4005 and it's a bit imperfect (missing pilot deck handrails, dimming light bulb, that's about it), but once I get her back in shape I'd love to add some weathering to her. It's at least 40 years old, as the smokebox is flat black like the rest of the engine, the newer ones are silver-colored (or steel, again I am new to this). She still runs great, but I think I'd keep her as primarily a decoration for the layout I plan on building with my dad. Maybe I'll get an MTH #4014 to run alongside her, as that's the one that currently being restored.
Hi mate, no that's not something I've ever tried before - take a look online though, I'm sure you'll find something to help you! :D
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Sam :)
14:26 I think that's the same reason the smoke box is tilted at the front
Thanks George! Yeah I thought that may be the case!
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Sam :)
That chassis was used for Gordon by the Rev. W. Awdry.
Are you sure?! This chassis was designed after he died ;)
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I love the way you said the new one out soon and it will be better ....? Just hope the new one don't have dodgy motors and trim falling off that seem to be Hornby way at the moment
haha yeah - I'd filmed this before it was released! Absolutely - it better run like the real thing for almost £200 - sadly I can't justify that price though, so I won't find out ;D
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Sam :)
I think the odd one out was an LNER loco near the Turntable.
That's right - very well done mate! :D
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They both look good to me, but I have to say I prefer Duchess of Rutland, it think it is because of the interesting vacuum pipes and the name. Nearly £200 for the new version is a shocker! I paid that for a Bachmann DCC sound locomotive (Class 37 and I am very pleased with it).
Thanks Ian - yes actually that BR green is a very smart livery, and I like those pipes too!
I know - I can't believe it either - hopefully people will vote with their wallets!
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Sam :)
7:09 That is sloped forward so the streamlining could fit on top. This would be a loco that had recently lost its lining. :)
Ahh okay - yeah that was my guess too!
Thanks for letting me know ;3
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Sam :)
2:32 Is it? I've never been to Nottingham so I wouldn't know. ;)
The engine is at least... the city not so much, lol ;D
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maybe the new coronation is brass that would account for the price. also in the last review you asked about a 1p, well the alx terrier was classed 0P, ether it was weak or overpowered
It's possible, and that would be some justification - but I'm told that they are in fact plastic, which is dreadful. I could be wrong though, because I've not seen one myself!
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Sam :)
The new one will not be metal it is plastic the same as yours, are yours DCC ready? I have a TTS sound one for £175 which is City of Birmingham.
Blimey - that makes the price all the more baffling! I bet they're lovely with the TTS though! :D
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Nice I get mixed up with these between the princess and the duchess
Thanks David! haha yeah - they do look very similar, especially without the streamlining!
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Sam :)
Fantastic video mate really enjoyed it and that steam engine is amazing
Really glad you did like it mate - these have always been some of my favourites :3
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Sam :)
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Hey sam just a quick quedtion i have bought a coronation today its an older model and is in good condition the only probkem with is flange on the back left wheel and the linkage on the forward and back a bit loose how would uou repair this?
P.s the reffrence number is R.066
Hey Daniel, thanks a lot for the comment - that can sometimes happen - what I do is apply a small amount of superglue to the wheel, and force the metal tyre back on - just be very careful not to let the glue spread beyond the inner wheel!
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@@SamsTrains thanks sam for the advice👍
That weathering though :o
haha I know!! :D
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Sam :)
Hi again sam just one more question if the wheels on your locomotive lock up what does that mean?
Hey Daniel - it could be a number of things, most common are split gears, bad quartering, jammed rods or an axle failure of some kind - is one of your engines in trouble?? :(
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@@SamsTrains no its just the wheels keep locking ive loosend then tightent the screws on the centre wheel for the gear and oild the the axels just now and i hope the solves it.Plus the guy i bought it fron did say that the previous owner past away and his engines hsdnt been used in about a decade so is probably just needs yo strech its legs again
Good news i managed too solve the wheel locking problem!! :) think the wheels werent aligned up properly inbthe axels so just had to realine them
Have you ever done a review of the Lady Godiva? And Idk, for some reason I REALLY don't like weathering on a locomotive. I really love seeing what a locomotive looks like when it was brand new. Some like it, I don't really. Even if they were really that dirty irl. An example I like to use are the 8500 Gas Turbines. FILTHY things irl, but I never like seeing them dirty in model form. Other than that, streamlined or unstreamlined the Coronation is such a lovely looking locomotive.
No not yet! But I will if people want me to! haha that's fair enough - quite a few have said that, and I prefer them pristine too :3
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Hi Sam liked the review on the City of Nottingham nice seeing it on your layout. I was looking at the Wrenn one on ebay it was in the BR Black with red lining so tempted to buy it the price held me back at £750 ;( Hope you right about the New Hornby one do hope it will be die cast then I may get one. Must admit the Wrenn one was a rare model.!! Also just seen a Hornby dublo 3 rail model in black.
Would also like to point out the earlier Hornby City of Nottingham which is tender driven the linkage on that model looks so much stronger less likely to jam up.
Thanks Michael! Blimey - yeah that's a lot even for a Wrenn one! They are great - but not worth £750 in any livery - they're all just as nice really!
That's definitely true though - the old versions were much more sturdy!
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Sam :)
Hey Sam great video, I was wondering if you had any thought on buying the wartime GWR castle class loco, or the tornado 4-6-4.
Thanks a lot mate! Ooh I would quite like that - maybe I will try one! :D
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Sam :)
Russian Vodka Tornado is 4-6-2
W.P. ALLEN No.60114 oh thanks dude
Sam'sTrains Nice. Glad I could help.
Try and review and Unboxing and run the East Midlands Trains class 43 holmby Park
Ooh okay - sounds good, I'll check those out!
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Nice locomotives Sam, a mate of mine bought the City of Nottingham new when it was released, to my knowledge it has never been run. The last loco I bought was a duchess , not Hornby . Might not ever buy a new release Hornby again, you would think a new loco would run straight from the box, by the way that Duchess I bought was a Wrenn. Regards John from OZ.
Thanks a lot John - ooh good choice with the Wrenn, you won't beat that for reliability! The new Hornby release does look fab - but I just can't believe the price!
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Sam :)
A Stunning model of City of. London
Sam I love this video and I love the coronation class :)
Thanks again Chad - really glad you liked these!
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Sam :)
Hello mate, just wanted to say that you did a great job with this new video, like always, and that Prince Coronation Class Hornby locomotive looks spectacular :D
Noah: )
Thanks a lot Noah, very much appreciated mate!
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Sam :)
No problem mate and I did share the video on Facebook for the competition :D
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Sam this may be a old vid but a new comment I wanted to tell when they de streamlined it had the sloping smoke box because the streamlining was curved at the front as u know and de streamlined versions were under it so for the curve they had to slop it a little
Yeah you're absolutely right - so cool that the model portrayed this too! :D
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Great video. Was there an LNER loco on the turntable? :)
Thanks a lot mate! Yes there was - well spotted! :D
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Sam :)
The sloping boiler is a sign she used to be streamlined. When de streamlined she retained the original boiler until reboilering . So it’s quite right to have an early green livery on it. It would have been equally accurate in blue.
Thanks for that Russell - looks like my guess was right then!
Thanks a lot for the comment,
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the centenary one "Duchess of Atholl" of this year has a metal body
Yes you're right - absolutely amazing! :D
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sad to hear the man passed away but at least his model train went to someone who will love it,run it and take care of it
Yeah - that was sad really :(
His loco was in bad shape though - so I was really happy to be able to get it running again!
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but you said they said he use to run it all the time.maybe he didn't have what he needed to fix it in his old age but if he ran it alot that shows he loved his model train none the less and now it has moved on to be loved by a new generation of man kind to enjoy just as much as that old man did as well
i got the princess Elisabeth at York market for £30 it run great
Ooh wow - that's a great price! Glad you like yours mate :3
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Sam :)
Great review! Cheers, Dan
Thanks a lot Dan! :D
Hi Sam, I prefer the City of Nottingham, just something about a maroon & gold livery. I agree with you about the costs/RRP of the upcoming model update by Hornby, probably not realistic when compared to other recent models.
Thanks a lot for the comment - yeah I think she takes some beating, really lovely that one!
Thanks again,
Sam :)
Puh, Over here a little Diesel shunter cost's over 200 Euro
And a Steam Locomotive with tender up to 500 Euro, absolutly stupid.
They dont even look like if they have a Lot of Detail.
That's why I use Thomas and Friends Toy's like Wooden Railway.
Blimey! That is ridiculous - especially when you imagine the things you can buy with that kind of money... tablets, TVs, even a PC! I just don't believe that prices like that are necessary or justified!
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Sam :)
Sam'sTrains Hey Sam! I was curious if you could do a running session? A Green Running Session? (Like the Red Running Session you did?) THANK YOU MUCH!!!!
Especially the pricing e.g. by Märklin, Trix, Fleischmann, and Roco in Germany. Unacceptable by people with a normal income. They have a pricing so as the pharmacies for high cost medications, hehe. And their locos will be produced in VR China so as the locos of Hornby. But Hornby has a more acceptable pricing at several times. Similar to Piko in Germany.
There is a US manufacturer which produces three lines of models, one is standard with mostly molded parts, one is premium with many hand applied details, and one is museum quality with so many details only collectors wish to buy them, up to $800 for a museum quality loco, well worth £600... What bothers me is that the museum quality models outsell the standard models...
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Your so right I live in Germany by the way
Nice! The duchesses are nice locos. The new tooling by Hornby seems to sort out a few of the issues there were with the old tooling - for example that gaping gap between the body and the trailing truck axle. The cheapest I've found it for is £150 which seems to me a decent price for a new tooling, large express loco. However I do admit I would be more likely to buy the older one, seeing as it's probably going to see a large price reduction now the new one is out.
Thanks Lukas! Yeah I noticed that... but in doing so they've made the model very unrealistic - those trucks were supposed to be articulated, not fixed! Hmm yeah £150 is okay, but I believe the bodywork is still plastic, so I'm still struggling to see how that could be justified!
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I don't think I ever gonna buy a factory weathered loco. The dirt (spread) is not realistic, they often only use one color (the mud-ish brown), and on a working loco there are specific parts that regularly cleaned (windows, the rods...), and parts that hardly gets dirty at all (buffers use to be greasy, not dusty...). But sometines I do buy pro-weathered trains, or I do it my self.
In Central Europe that price (190 GBP) is average for a new tender loco, most mid-range models like Roco, and Fleischmann steamers goes for that. The most expensive train I ever brought was a train set, for 375 euro (335 GBP), and for a single loco 230 euro (205 GBP), with pre-order (that's almost 20% off).
haha I get that - I prefer them pristine myself, but I liked this for a change!
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Sam :)
Have you tried inserting the locos and tenders with a plastic bag in place so you can just lift the plastic to get them out. Roco/Fleischmann do this and it saves breaking things!
Thanks Paul! Yeah Hornby do that these days too with their Styrofoam packaging, and it does work very well!
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Sam :)
I’m getting a big engine this Christmas hopefully 😁
Ooh awesome!! Any idea which one?? :3
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Wow what a beautiful loco :O
Thanks so much! :D
Well done Sam!
Even though I don't like the LMS, the review of this was amazing:)
Thanks a lot mate - really glad you enjoyed it anyway!
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Sam :)
Once again, this is a beautiful model Sam! I wanted to tell you my latest research discovery! An attempt was made to preserve a 4th example but sadly it failed! :( That example was No. 46243 City of Lancaster! Still, its good to have 3 preserved examples!
That sounds awesome Ryno, thanks very much for sharing this with me! :D
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Your welcome Sam! :)
City of Nottingham? What a great city! Then again I am a bit bias when it comes to my own city lol!
haha absolutely - we all are I think, lol ;D
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What a beautiful engine
Thank you mate! :D
I enjoy all of your video films on You Tube
It's been answered but the Coronation locos that had the sloped firebox at the top would have been streamlined locomotives originally. When the streamlining casing was removed, the slope was quite obvious. Also, an originally streamlined locos had a distinctive difference in the running board under the boiler though above the wheels towards the front bogie. The streamlined locos would have a clear break in the boiler running plate and that over the front bogie, a very clear 'step' in the running board. The easiest way to distinguish is to check a non-streamlined loco where the running board was one complete entity but sloped in a curve to the horizontal over the front buffers. The curved running board shows that it was never streamlined. That 'curve' is missing on the locos that were originally streamlined: the running boards were two horizontals. In fact it's very apparent in your two locomotives. However, as the locos aged and were repaired/maintained, the sloping firebox was replaced with a normal firebox.
Thanks very much - yes I had guessed that this was the case! It's quite nice that Hornby picked up on this and represented it with their models - they obviously did their research!
Thanks again for all the info,
Cheers,
Sam :)
Great review
Thanks so much! :D
Sam I just had an idea perhaps one day you could start your own model shop call it SAM'S TRAINS that would get rails of Sheffeild and Hattons worried hehehe
haha! That would be fun - I couldn't rip people off though, and I'd have to if I wanted to make any money doing that ;D
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I’m sure that the previous owner of the Dutches of Rutland
Would be happy to know that the model has gone to someone who is going to love and look after it
I hope so - I'm doing my best to take care of it! :D
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I couldn't choose which one I'd rather buy in the poll. Because I'm on a budget, I'd choose whichever was cheapest if I found them. Weathered or unweathered doesn't bother me, if it looks nice, I'll buy it
That's fair enough mate - you can get some pretty awesome cheap locos! Look up the Electrotren Barclay 0-6-0! :D
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Well done on the live program. Did you get my question, would be good to watch. “Are you intending to do the BRM cake box challenge ? “ keep up the good work. 👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks so much! Unfortunately I don't have access to the chat after the stream ends - so I only see the ones I happen to notice! That does sound awesome - but I'm not much of a modeller ;D
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Sam :)
Hi sam the smoke box is slopt so the streamlining would fit probably the city of Nottingham was never streamline and the name plates are at wollanton hall and i too have this loco and i am from Nottingham funny isent it i have a b17 named Nottingham forest love the videos
Hi! Yeah I thought that was it - my guess was right then! Ooh nice - I might have to visit that one day then!
Thanks again for your kind words,
Sam :)
Hey sam have you reviewed the duchess of Hamilton? If you havent and you have the model, could you please?
Not Hamilton, but I've reviewed plenty of Duchesses - they're all mostly the same!!
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Beautiful model! They’re cool when they’re streamlined! I hope someday the National Railway Museum decides to overhaul Duchess of Hamilton!
Thanks a lot mate - ooh yes, that would be lovely to see! :D
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Your welcome mate!
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My favourite was duchess of rutland.
Ooh yeah good choice - I love that one! :D
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Do you think the Duchesses look better in green or maroon?
I think Maroon for me - but I love both! :D
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Has Hornby (or Bachmann) ever made a model with a metal boiler?
Yeah! The B12, D16, J15 to name just a few!
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Sam :)
A full list or a special on metal locos would be helpful. I've collected 2 Bachmann and 5 Hornby locomotives in the past year. All are recent releases and none have a metal boiler.
I couldn't tell you for sure actually - and it's certainly not something they've done often - I cant think of any models from this year that have had it :/
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Sam :)
In the US, only MTH and Broadway Limited do it. and still not every time. It really makes a huge difference in the feel and operating characteristics of the locomotive.
It absolutely does - it makes the world of difference!
great video and nice models
Thanks very much - really glad you liked them!
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Sam :)
cool
I also have a reuest could u review oliver from Thomas and friends please
Thanks mate, that's one I'd love to try - I will keep looking! :D
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Sam :)
Love the coronation
Thank you! Me too :3
Is there any chance you're going to do a Coronation class review, but the new Hornby 2017 tooling? I'd love to know your opinion on it, comparing it to the old tooling its just replaced, such as your Duchess of Rutland for example. I have a BR blue Duchess of Gloucester and Hornby have just revealed they are making it again in the exact same form, but just in the new tooling. I just wondered if the new tooling is worth buying or if they are exactly the same and don't warrant a higher price tag. £200 is appallingly expensive.
I enjoy your reviews greatly, to the point that your review persuaded me to purchase one of Hatton's Andrew Barclay industrial tanks. (Which I adore!)
Keep up the great work! 😊
Hey! Yeah I would like to pick one up - if the prices go down, I may well do! I decided they couldn't possibly warrant the price tag - but I couldn't justify buying one in the first place :(
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I agree with your comment about the Blue "Duchess of Gloucester", just missed out on one for £65 on eBay, but would definitely not buy one that looks pretty much the same but is marked up at an extra £135+. I have 4 Duchess's, one a rare R1004 "City of Bradford" with the black wheels and motion.
If you do a Christmas special there's a hornby christmas car with presents inside
Yeah! I've seen those - they do look great!
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Sam :)
I loved the April fools vid
haha! Thanks very much ;D
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Sam :)
I did enjoy this review ;)
Thanks so much! :D
Very nice Sam, it’s been awhile since I saw one of your videos and had forgotten how good they are. I have decided not to renew my
Hornby Member Club subscription, they are pricing themselves too high. Even with my club discount I can get items cheaper from Hatton and Rails of Sheffield’s, or even ebay. Their Visitors Centre, just around the corner from me, is even more expensive. Cannot remember when I last purchased anything from them…Simon
Thanks so much Simon - lovely to hear from you too, how have you been?
Ahh yeah that's a good point - they're so high with their pricing, it renders the club useless, lol!
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Sam :)