Picked up a TSE250R and a FSE250R. Both have been awesome. The issues addressed here have been resolved. The TSE had one issue with the oil pump and was replaced for free, next day air by GPX. You guys can bash all you want but the reality, GPX is making sure the bikes are done right, resolving issues blindly fast and growing the aftermarket for them. They consistently give buyers updates for free or at a discount. So for less than 10k for two new bikes, I'll happily tear up the trails and have fun doing it.
@@FishingWithJo415 I sold the FSE but still rocking the TSE. Absolutely love it. It does everything I need it to do and then some. I've been looking at getting my son the FSE60 for his birthday once I get him comfortable with riding a bicycle without training wheels.
had a wr200, ridiculously reliable engine. replaced the carnk seal and did the top ended every 250 hours and never had an issue. those were not exactly gentle hours ether. if the use that design and use quality materials and build processes the motor should be pretty reliable.
@@jarelnomeh2345 Japan didn't build the engines for Yamaha either..they were outsourced to China..that engine has been around for a long time and has been a very good one to say the least...pretty reliable..
I wonder what jkind of power would those 225cc engines be posible to give out from the cranbk if one mae them watercooled and then added the kind of things wih WC makes possible and why they usually are nore powerfull :O '
in Russia this bike named as GR7, and design is exact replica of husky. We have this model for a year now, and I highly recommend you to pay extra and buy Beta RR!
@@j7art hey man! it is available in my country with name GR7 too and i am planning to buy one. I am a college student so i am having dilemma between Ktm Duke 200 and Gr7... do you suggest gr7? are you facing any problem??
Hey guys. For some reason the notifications didn't come until today. Many people have a problems with the engine and clutch, but assembly may vary from country to country. Like it or not, the Chinese are still very far from Beta, in general
Two-strokes traditionally were the gateway into off-road motorcycling: cheap, easy to work on, etc. Nowadays, you are looking at huge prices for two-strokes from KTM et al. So this bike may break, good experience for youngsters to get the wrenches out and have a go themselves. Also good news for folk still riding the old Japanese bikes this engine is based on; they can now get no longer available parts at dirt cheap prices.
I got my yz250x for $6500 OTD, a left over 2017 model. That's $900 more for a Yamaha...the GPX looks like an awesome value for $5600 but I'm taking the Yamaha all day!
Iceman; yeah man, I really think I would have got the YZ250X if it had the button, I'm getting to fat and lazy to kick these things over... Honestly, Yamaha and Honda could make a SICK 2T enduro if they really wanted to... The deal you got on your YZ was good though $1,800 less than my Beta 300RR.
BarnStangz see I wanted ZERO electronics on mine haha. And this thing kicks over super easy, but I get it. I also have a KTM 690 and just waiting for parts that are on back order just really turned me off so I went back to the basics. Yamaha is the last Japanese manufacturer yo make a full sized 2 stroke so they have my loyalty. No doubt they could build an awesome true enduro model but I thank them for making anything 2 stroke related. I'm waiting for them to make a plated dual sport like the new Honda 450L. I live in California so we don't have many legal options.
Right on man, yeah, It is nice to get back to basics with that Yamaha. It was on my buy list, but the e-start and oil injection won me over on the Beta. So far so good, no issues with electrical gremlins on my end... But only time will tell. Your YZ will be good for years and years. Such a proven motor and general package. I guess that new 450L Honda is pretty nice. I'm sure Yamaha will bring out something just like it. If I was to get a dual sport 4 stroke, I'd get one of them for sure!
Went to my local dealer and the owner was a professional mx rider he has entered in several enduros and hare scrambles with this bike and has won his class can't be that bad said it has been very reliable
It only makes sense because it's a 2 stroke and 2 stroke are cheaper to make so instead of low quality 4 stroke parts they used 2 stroke high quality parts for the same price lol
@@dickhead_brian I can pick one up next week an I guarantee you I could spank you on any Mx track you want. I don’t ride Chinese bikes but my buddy has this bike and it’s legit.
Man I couldn't do it! I'm still on my 98 RM 250 which I've spent tons on over the years and she's a sweet ride still. When I finally put her out to pasture I'm going with a YZx
Update for on a few questions/issues. Oil tank doesn't seem to cause cooling issues. The air filter cage was wrong but has been updated. The longest hours on a tse so far that I know of is 200 and still has the factory top end in it. There is a second one with 150+ that also has the stock top end. My personal bike is at 70 or just a hair longer. Motor has been fantastic. Key switch was not good (not sure if updated or not) many have failed but easy to swap to any other type of switch (I used a toggle). New bikes also have a better expansion chamber amd 34mm keihin clone carb.
Yeah I buy my socks and underwear at Walmart . But I sure as hell wouldn't buy a dirt bike from there . I wouldn't try to save a buck and cut corners on something that my life depends on . Send all those bikes back to China melt them down and build me a BBQ out of them . And I will go to Walmart and buy it .
Socks and everything else aren’t stolen intellectual property. I have no problem with Chinese manufacturing when the tech is organic to China. When it’s obviously stolen from another company, then I’ll call out the importers and peddlers of this crap.
I don't buy my tools at Harbor Freight and you wont catch me on some cheap Chinese knock off bike . I value my life and my bike needs to be top notch . Yeah I would prefer a used name brand bike over this crap . Oh and good luck finding parts and service for this shit . Pretty much a time use disposable unit .
I swapped out the fork fluid with some 2.5W and it really makes the front end better. Takes the high speed sharp edged rocks like a champ now. Give it a try.
I just rode one two weeks ago, I really liked the bike. They are $4999, the quietest/smoothest 2 stroke Iv ever ridden. Its a Yamaha motor in a Husky chassis, best of both worlds for most people. It reminded me of the KDX220 except way better handling/suspension. The '21 come with the race cdi and pipe, bumping power up a bit but revs out further. The heavy flywheel really got traction without crazy wheel spin, its was really fun on flowing single track. Im really interested in the 4 stroke 300 in this frame but nobody has one yet
Thank you for giving us your feedback, it's always good to hear what other riders who have ridden one think. Hopefully we can get our hands on one of the new models or the 300 4-stroke to test out. Thanks for checking out the video and giving us your input!
Thank you Rocky Mountain ATV MC for the honest and unbiased review. I'm glad to be able to add my new bike to my profile and not have to cross reference everything. We're working on finding other cross referenced parts as we find them, and I hope you'll be adding to the ever growing list of aftermarket goodies for these.
Honestly even if it were a quality motorcycle I couldn't support it because it's pretty unethical what they do by just ripping off designs. I guarantee what happened with the filter cage was the guy tasked with copying the KTM one had it rotated the wrong way in his CAD program. No one caught the mistake because they didn't actually develop anything, just copy and pasted it. Same with the heat shield divots - definitely evidence of a copy without thinking approach.
The company manufacturing this bike now make the DT230 engine under license and own all the old Yamaha tooling for the engine and associated parts. The exhaust retains the divots for the heat shield stand offs because it comes out of an original Yamaha press ;-)
I totally agree. Plus, on top of that, I am sure it is made with cheap Asian steel, and, if you buy it you are sending money to a communist country. Their country's true and inherently natural methods in innovation seem to be limited to their creative ways to conduct industrial espionage and steal and copy anything and everything.
@@johnguilbert1349 The UK is flooded with Chinese bikes, they're all terrible clones where it's obvious the Chinese have no idea what they're doing and why. The cheap materials is probably the no 1 issue, I've seen people snapping kicstarters on 125 4 strokes it's that bad...
The engine is a yamaha dt230 lanza. Not wr200. It's a 225cc. As a standard yamaha dt230 it even had traction control as standard and it worked very well too as I had a few of them
The TSE doesn't have the traction control option, just standard CDI. Some people liked it, some hated it. There's the standard CDI and now an upgraded version though. Talks about an aftermarket mapping switch between the two though which would be awesome.
It doesn’t take much engineering or r&d to reverse engineer someone else’s designs and slap together a bike. Remember that if you buy one of these you are more or less telling the other manufacturers that their investments into new technologies, r&d and intellectual property are of no value to you as their sales of new models will steer where they continue to invest. I would much rather wait a few more years to save and spend a bit more to support the companies that are pushing our sport forward. I do think the mainstream companies could use a budget two stroke but I will not invest in those that cheat the system and are bottom feeders... something to consider
Agreed. A similar effect is going on with dual sports, minus the infringement angle. The companies that have innovated are charging more (KTM), but they're starting to get a much larger share of the market especially as their older models start selling used at prices competitive with new Japanese dual sports that haven't changed in decades. Kawasaki canceled the KLR 650, which used to be the best selling dual sport year after year. No one wants an old fat pig with dated suspension. Now Honda are playing catch up with the CRF450L, and I'm excited to see what the other Japanese companies do next.
Actually they bought out the old tooling and rights to the DT230 Lanza engine and associated parts from Yamaha... It's possible they also licensed the frame and airbox design from KTM/Husqvarna ;-) Fast Ace are established suspension manufacturers. I'm interested to see if the Yamaha Tenere 700 can fill the market gap that the KLR held :-)
I definitely won't be surprised if they have stolen IP. I don't believe this bike is about innovation though, it's just filling a segment that seems to have died, by combining proven designs... Cheap, well suspended, easy to maintain ;-)
I applaud their efforts to bring a lower cost good featured bike out. You got your TTR type trail bikes, used bikes and then the Japanese and Euro Enduros. There is a big price gap in the market for people who want a bike with more features than a oil cooled trail bike but don’t need or can’t afford a premium race bike. But, let me know after 100 hours on it how it’s doing mechanically.
Check in on the Adventure Riders forum, there's a big thread on there with some guys getting up there in hours ridden... Given they bought the old DT230 tooling from Yamaha the engine life should be decent, it's a fairly simple motor.
I've thrashed the shit out of my bike and it still holding together..I understand their are some copying issues goin on with this bike,it's practically a ktm-husq-yamaha rolled all into one,but has anyone ever thought about how greedy American companies are? You can buy the same bike in Australia only a 4 stroke for $2100 bucks plus $400 in shipping.and it's a KTM knockoff..even the parts say KTM..I believe alot of higher end bikes outsource alot of their parts to China and then put their bikes together in their Homeland..sooo I do know companies go to several places in China and buy forks,then rear swingarms,then engines,frames etc etc and say ok,I wanna buy so many of these and so many of those,then they build bikes from a pile of stuff and say ok,here's the all new funky- monkey looney-rooster dirtbike!! They're is so much to it besides reverse engineering and the likes..
LostinPA - dead wrong. Chinese engines are bulletproof, one thing they can do from decades of millions of small motorcycles carrying huge loads. It's stuff like chrome that rusts, switchgear failing (as the starter button in the video) and especially cheap plastics without UV protection that go hard and crack in months to a couple of years. But the engine isn't going to stop.
@@johneubanks5951 No way can you get this bike in Australia for $2,100. You must be thinking about the Hawk 250 DLX, which is around that price. The Hawk is no comparison to this GPX. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Its the EXACT same motor that came out of the Lanza (DT230) which was an upgraded version of the WR200.. This engine has been put to the test and I’ve never heard a thing bad about them which is why when you find an WR200 they are priced pretty high.. Might pick this one up... A painless new bike...
A couple people I met just bought the 2020 versions with LED front & tail lights...they seemed even better and higher quality in the 2020 year models! Everything looked solid. I just put a down payment on a new TM , and bought my girl the Husky TE150i, but I really want this as a second bike. It really was a slick design - plastics & frame/chassis mirrored the 18 year Husky mofel offroad enduros...even the large hand grips to lift the rear of the bike (way better than the handgrip design of the 2020 Husqvarnas like my wifes). The wheels, hubs, and triple clamps looked factory-like. The tires I heard are not great but I don't particularly like ANY stock tifes for ANY brand. I'm a believer from listening to the shop owner's experiences riding, buying, and selling of the product. If you don't want to spend as much cash but want a good 2-stroke and 4 stroke, I would immediately recoomend a 2020 GPX TSE 250R and a 2020 Kawasaki KLX 300R. Both of these bikes are pretty stellar! You get reliability and fun, but not as much room to really get too ahead of your skill level...in otherwords our mouths and pride checking a cash our body and minds can't cash. Fun is what riding is all about, and you can modify these bikes to go faster when the right time comes and have something different out there. TM, Beta, and Shercos are good to get once you have the skills and need to go faster for racing and serious riding both recreationally and professionally. Best of luck! 👍You can't go wrong with this GPX thpugh...I can't wait to add one to my garage for weekend getaway riding/camping...
I'm literally about to buy a street legal 2019 tse 250 that's like new, he's asking 2000$ for the bike and of course I'm going to try and haggle on the price but I feel like 2grand is a decent price. After watching your video I feel confident that it's an ok bike to have for the money and it's a 2 stroke so that's a plus for me.
I have one and I LOVE it. I essentially wanted a KDX220 with magic button, counter balancing, better suspension and better ergonomics and that's exactly what I got. There's a bit of information that's a tad off on the video, but overall pretty good. Engine is Yamaha DT230 base, we never saw it here. WR200 was the most similar relative though. Fast Ace is Taiwanese too, but we're splitting hairs. :) I've got 24.1 hours on mine for those curious. It's starting to become the best bike I've owned thus far in 30 years of riding.
I had the gas cap issue, and I just removed the screws and added M8 bolts. No problems with the starter button. My float was a bit off which I may have done when I rejetted it, and I went down hard enough to damage my headlight and managed to get a loose electrical connection on my power valve. Bike still ran, but without the PV moving, it felt more like a 125. Everything else has been great.60mph back roads extended cruising to bark busting single track in the rocks and rain, it's not had much struggle. Plenty of power on tap. More linear than a KDX220, less pipey, heavier flywheel. As much get up and go in the low and mid range as a 250, but you notice in the upper revs that it's not a true 250. Technically she's a 225. Not gutless by any means, but high in the revs you notice it's more 200 than 250.
Fantastic. I like it far better than my 2012 WR450F suspension and it's better than my buddies Betas and KTM's. I can't compare it to AER's, just the XPlores, but I'd say this is some of the best suspension out of the box I've ever had.
@@CW-up7xv My gas cap sucks, but I've read of other brands with similar issues. Some blame ethanol in our gas. My filter cage looks ok. I usually have a spare filter, so I'll get a replacement cage when I get spare filter. Just incase.! My kill and start buttons have worked Everytime.
I had a 95 WR250, it was my favorite bike and I'm looking for something similar. It had enough torque for slow trails, water, hills, etc. but when you hit the powerband it went from XR200/250 like performance to FAST! It was like 2 bikes in one. I also rode a RMX250 but it just wasn't the same... (Still good tho)
More than a couple years. Maybe 6-8 year old ktm. They are 10k new and hold they’re value pretty well. If you know the history of the bike and it’s clean I agree with you. But that’s hard to find.
These bikes are Husquavarna/KTM. take the gas tank off,turn upside down and it says KTM..the frame is exactly husky!! Helluva bike and handles great..the engines are Yamaha ol 200 2stroke...the Chinese have replicated or had a ton of over runs from making parts for husky or KTM..at a helluva lot cheaper price..I've rode this bike and it's perfect for trail riding or hare scrambles..
Plenty of people on Craigslist buy a new bike, keep a bike for a year or so, loose interest and wind up selling a bike for thousands of dollars less with low hours. Bought a 2015 Yamaha WR250F that had thirty hours on it for $4000, (MSRP is around $8000) put the aftermarket ECU for $107, a YZ250F silencer off eBay, did the desmog modifications which cost nothing and I have an Estart/Kickstart bike that I know I can rely on and get parts.
Where? I haven't seen any decent prices lately, everyone wants 1 yr old prices for ragged out 5 or 6 yr old bikes. KTM, forget about it, every KTM owner thinks their bike is worth 6500+.
@@TheRoadhammer379 Your right. My comment was made quite a bit longer than a year ago (than it says) before the prices went crazy and still haven't come down on everything. There were some good prices on KTM's last summer ; now I am looking at bikes like you say and prices are worse. Don't even get me started on housing prices.
Do you have an updated review of the 2021 model for this bike? If so, can you link it? If not, are you planning to review their new models? I've seen videos from new UA-camrs that say they have addressed a lot of design and quality issues. I have an interest in a bike like this that I can license. Thanks for the video (even though I'm just seeing it two years later). 😁
All these people complaining about the price of the bike and how they could buy a used Japanese or Euro bike for the same is just ridiculous. GPX could make the bike a few thousand cheaper, but then it would break all the time as is commonly expected of Chinese products. The Chinese are finally starting to put out quality bikes and the price reflects that quality. For example, the suspension is just as good as or better than KTM suspension from what I've read on the adventure rider forum. It's not perfect, and it has a few small issues, but it's worlds better than anything the Chinese have made in the past.
Find the people that stand by this bike and endorse it . Enter it in the Baja 1000 race for them to ride it in . The chase truck can pick up whats left of it at mile 100 . Yeah that's 1000 missing one digit .
This bike is a great hard enduro technical bike. Easy to ride and it luggs down low. I was impressed as I rode with a guy in hard tech trails and the bike worked great. Got all husky plastics that fit it too.
How much HP can this dish out ? Is it even comarable to a japanese 200cc or ktm 150 2t? asking because its bassicaly an old yamaha 230cc they put into it
Ohhh helll no. If thy can't even copy a filter basket properly who knows what else they've screwed up. I'd rather spend $2500 on a used Japanese 2 stoke with a long reputation for reliability than risk over over 5K on this thing.
I think it's worth risking some home QA on one of these, by all accounts the distributor has been very fast to replace any faulty parts and I've not seen any reported engine issues on the forums as yet. Adventure Rider forum has a good running thread on the bikes, I look forward to picking one up second hand, dirt cheap in a few years (presuming they make it to Aus).
Engine bearing seals, hub seals and bearings, head set, fork seals, rear shock seals is what really concerns me about these bikes and I was warned away from them. Any helpful long term info on these would be welcome. Awesome video, Thanx4sharing!!
i wonder how that bike whould handle if you put a yz exhaust and a PWK carb on it. I whould love to have i biike like this one, only i whould havce put 17" on it and drive it on the street.
Hi, which year and model KTM or Husky air filter and cage did you use? It is not enough to say you used a KTM setup, there are hundreds of different ones depending on the model and year. Thanks...
@@rmatvmc OK thanks! I have a 2022 GPX TSE250R, I think they fixed the cage but I wanted a Twin Air filter and Twin Air does not make filters for GPX bikes
I had a tse 250 they are a great bike for the money ! Parts are easy to get. I’m 150 pounds and it’s to stiff. Got a cr125 now . Better for my weight 😎
Good video, GPX probably represents the best of Chinese bikes right now. I just got the 4 stroke air cooled GPX FSE 250e. Haven’t put it together yet but very pleased with the quality on a $3700 bike. GPX is also Pitster.
Well, GPX is an American brand that sources manufacturing in China but has quality control and final assembly in the US. They're 90% of a KTM at 60% of the price. For people like me that want a nice reliable, cheap and lightweight street legal trail bike, these are honestly the best bang for your buck. They developed a lot of their stuff with Kayo, a brand that's founded by the former lead engineer of Honda's Asian mainland branch. You can find those in dealerships now
looking to buy this bike due to its price....i just hope it is reliable lol. I am wondering how is the down low / medium RPM range for tractoring and chugging in technical terrain
@@rmatvmc i think I might go with the TPX. i mean the price is good and heard its made with old engine concepts to be reliable so I think this should be a solid bike engine transmission wise. Do you think it has more "power/Pull" than the DRZ400? I know the delivery is different, but just power over all.
So, basically, someone built something to recreate the character of the KDX200...a fun two-stroke for the non-racer to enjoy. If they get their QC issues sorted, I'd buy.
Only issue I've had with mine in 25 hours is the gas cap, fixed by 3 M8 bolts to replace the screws. No issues with the starter or the filter cage. I admit though I didn't keep the stock one long. The screen definitely restricts airflow to the carb a bit. $12 fix.
I wonder how I could get stiffer spring. Because I’m 6’1” and 220 lbs. I’ve had over 25K teams but I live in East Tennessee and the riding area is pretty much gone and all the Enduro and cross country trails are wore out Now I was going to buy a new KTM this year but by the time I got it dialed in for myself I was going to have close to $13,000 in that motorcycle. And I just don’t race as much as I used to and I have a 2008 300 with less than 200 hours on it and that’s probably all I need for now. Because I have it set up and I would’ve been no faster on the 2020 KTM. And if I really needed a bike I would take a look at one of these if I could get the suspension springs needed. And some other Goodys just allow me to continue to ride some.
Im the same height/weight and was wondering the same. There is a FB group that the owner will respond directly to you with questions, and guys posting what they are doing to the bikes. Or search FastAce directly. Im considering getting one of these two. I just rode one, it was quiet, smooth and grunty. LCARS ADV has a lot of vids on these
See alot of comments about how it's not fair because they copied ktm or so and so. I say screw that, gpx/pitster is targeting a market the big 5 has ignored. 110cc 4 stroke with decent suspension for kids, where you at honda, or anyone actually? Reasonable priced 250cc 2 stroke trail bike, suzuki, kawasaki, honda want to join the party? And you think that if any of the big 5 comes out with something revolutionary and starts dominated, that the other manufacturers aren't gonna have that sucker torn down and reverse engineering the next day.
I have one of these bikes myself. My dirt time is limited, so it's mainly been a commuter bike for me. You can read my initial reviews on it on my site here andrewgore.net/1209 I also have a compilation of other info listed there as well to help out other GPX owners. I will note that I've got a couple off-road rides on it at some local parks and have been incredibly surprised at the overall behavior of the bike. The power is very tractable, and while normally I'd found that my prior bike (KTM 350exc) was king of hill climbs, that this was equal, if not better. I'm putting this partially down to a likely heavier flywheel and also a bit down on power compared to the 350, but I ended up climbing the hills quicker as I was spending less time spinning the rear wheel, and more time accelerating. I spent some time on a smaller MX track with it, and had no issue keeping up with other MX based bikes that were out there. Weather pending, I'll be taking my GPX to the local harescrambles and see how she handles in the Open A class. Considering it's been a year since I last raced, I have a feeling my body will be the limiting factor.
*Andrew Gore* That is one nice extensive review you did! NIce work. Look forward to see how the GPX can hang on the track and on some Hare Scrambles. Thanks for sharing!
Our granddads, great granddad's used to say the same thing about Japanese products just after WWII - give them time. Chinese bikes will become a respected brand, just like Japanese bikes are now or were perhaps - hello Beta!
As always, glad that RMATVMC covered this. As far as the bike goes though, for me it's a big fat bowl of nope. Less than an extra 2k for a new Yamaha YZ250X makes it a no brainer for me given the vast quality, performance, reliability, and parts availability difference.
Picked up a TSE250R and a FSE250R. Both have been awesome. The issues addressed here have been resolved. The TSE had one issue with the oil pump and was replaced for free, next day air by GPX.
You guys can bash all you want but the reality, GPX is making sure the bikes are done right, resolving issues blindly fast and growing the aftermarket for them. They consistently give buyers updates for free or at a discount.
So for less than 10k for two new bikes, I'll happily tear up the trails and have fun doing it.
Well how long have you had them if u don't mind bruh
Is the fse250r street legal
They dont come street legal, but can be plated in most states.
How are they holding up, we are really considering buying some of these GPX for the kids
@@FishingWithJo415 I sold the FSE but still rocking the TSE. Absolutely love it. It does everything I need it to do and then some. I've been looking at getting my son the FSE60 for his birthday once I get him comfortable with riding a bicycle without training wheels.
had a wr200, ridiculously reliable engine. replaced the carnk seal and did the top ended every 250 hours and never had an issue. those were not exactly gentle hours ether. if the use that design and use quality materials and build processes the motor should be pretty reliable.
But are those quality materials and build processes? The Japanese didn't build the engines for these GTX.
@@jarelnomeh2345 Japan didn't build the engines for Yamaha either..they were outsourced to China..that engine has been around for a long time and has been a very good one to say the least...pretty reliable..
I wonder what jkind of power would those 225cc engines be posible to give out from the cranbk if one mae them watercooled and then added the kind of things wih WC makes possible and why they usually are nore powerfull :O
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in Russia this bike named as GR7, and design is exact replica of husky. We have this model for a year now, and I highly recommend you to pay extra and buy Beta RR!
What problems have you experienced? I've literally rode mine all year and short of a flat tire and the gas cap issue I haven't had any issues.
@@j7art hey man! it is available in my country with name GR7 too and i am planning to buy one. I am a college student so i am having dilemma between Ktm Duke 200 and Gr7... do you suggest gr7? are you facing any problem??
I haven't had any problems in over a year. I'm still waiting for the reasons the commenter recommend paying extra for a Beta.
You should backup your claims with details of the issues ....
Hey guys. For some reason the notifications didn't come until today. Many people have a problems with the engine and clutch, but assembly may vary from country to country. Like it or not, the Chinese are still very far from Beta, in general
Two-strokes traditionally were the gateway into off-road motorcycling: cheap, easy to work on, etc. Nowadays, you are looking at huge prices for two-strokes from KTM et al.
So this bike may break, good experience for youngsters to get the wrenches out and have a go themselves. Also good news for folk still riding the old Japanese bikes this engine is based on; they can now get no longer available parts at dirt cheap prices.
I got my yz250x for $6500 OTD, a left over 2017 model. That's $900 more for a Yamaha...the GPX looks like an awesome value for $5600 but I'm taking the Yamaha all day!
Agree 100% still wish the Yammie had the magic button! They need to make that happen!
BarnStangz having the option would be cool 👍
Iceman; yeah man, I really think I would have got the YZ250X if it had the button, I'm getting to fat and lazy to kick these things over... Honestly, Yamaha and Honda could make a SICK 2T enduro if they really wanted to... The deal you got on your YZ was good though $1,800 less than my Beta 300RR.
BarnStangz see I wanted ZERO electronics on mine haha. And this thing kicks over super easy, but I get it.
I also have a KTM 690 and just waiting for parts that are on back order just really turned me off so I went back to the basics.
Yamaha is the last Japanese manufacturer yo make a full sized 2 stroke so they have my loyalty. No doubt they could build an awesome true enduro model but I thank them for making anything 2 stroke related.
I'm waiting for them to make a plated dual sport like the new Honda 450L. I live in California so we don't have many legal options.
Right on man, yeah, It is nice to get back to basics with that Yamaha. It was on my buy list, but the e-start and oil injection won me over on the Beta. So far so good, no issues with electrical gremlins on my end... But only time will tell. Your YZ will be good for years and years. Such a proven motor and general package. I guess that new 450L Honda is pretty nice. I'm sure Yamaha will bring out something just like it. If I was to get a dual sport 4 stroke, I'd get one of them for sure!
Went to my local dealer and the owner was a professional mx rider he has entered in several enduros and hare scrambles with this bike and has won his class can't be that bad said it has been very reliable
It only makes sense because it's a 2 stroke and 2 stroke are cheaper to make so instead of low quality 4 stroke parts they used 2 stroke high quality parts for the same price lol
@@dickhead_brian you might want to check the owner reviews. People are saying they have had really good service from the TSE
@@dickhead_brian I can pick one up next week an I guarantee you I could spank you on any Mx track you want. I don’t ride Chinese bikes but my buddy has this bike and it’s legit.
Man I couldn't do it! I'm still on my 98 RM 250 which I've spent tons on over the years and she's a sweet ride still. When I finally put her out to pasture I'm going with a YZx
The Chinese REALLY need to bring out a 500 smoker at a great price.
That would be awesome!
Been thinking about it, and I'm in the position to do it too.
@@markmark5269 lol
@@russell_gemzrussell3107 I don't get the joke sorry?
@Daniel Gustafsson Sjöö *
Update for on a few questions/issues. Oil tank doesn't seem to cause cooling issues. The air filter cage was wrong but has been updated. The longest hours on a tse so far that I know of is 200 and still has the factory top end in it. There is a second one with 150+ that also has the stock top end. My personal bike is at 70 or just a hair longer. Motor has been fantastic. Key switch was not good (not sure if updated or not) many have failed but easy to swap to any other type of switch (I used a toggle). New bikes also have a better expansion chamber amd 34mm keihin clone carb.
Thank you for that information and we appreciate your input!
@@rmatvmc i have a 2021 model on the way as well and would be happy to let Justin or whoever rip one or both for a day if they wanted.
Bunch of people standing on thier morals here talking crap about Chinese knock off have probably shopped at Walmart today
Yeah I buy my socks and underwear at Walmart . But I sure as hell wouldn't buy a dirt bike from there . I wouldn't try to save a buck and cut corners on something that my life depends on . Send all those bikes back to China melt them down and build me a BBQ out of them . And I will go to Walmart and buy it .
Socks and everything else aren’t stolen intellectual property. I have no problem with Chinese manufacturing when the tech is organic to China. When it’s obviously stolen from another company, then I’ll call out the importers and peddlers of this crap.
No way I'd spend $5000 on that. You can get a nice used KTM or Husky for that kind of money.
I don't buy my tools at Harbor Freight and you wont catch me on some cheap Chinese knock off bike . I value my life and my bike needs to be top notch . Yeah I would prefer a used name brand bike over this crap . Oh and good luck finding parts and service for this shit . Pretty much a time use disposable unit .
Hey ! That's me 😄
Thanks for the review! And respect to anyone who can ride like that and speak intelligently at the same time! :-)
Thanks a lot, Alex! - Justin
@@rmatvmc Hi Sir, it has been 2 years, highly appreciate if you can share "after 2 years" review of the bike. Cheers!
I swapped out the fork fluid with some 2.5W and it really makes the front end better. Takes the high speed sharp edged rocks like a champ now. Give it a try.
Interesting *Corey .H!* Thanks for sharing. What is your rider weight with all your gear on? Thanks for watching!
*Corey .H* Thanks for the info. I'm sure there are other trail riders out there that will want to make this mod to. Good to know. Thanks for watching!
@@rmatvmcyou should review the new GPX TSE 300R. They have linkage and non linkage
I just rode one two weeks ago, I really liked the bike. They are $4999, the quietest/smoothest 2 stroke Iv ever ridden. Its a Yamaha motor in a Husky chassis, best of both worlds for most people. It reminded me of the KDX220 except way better handling/suspension. The '21 come with the race cdi and pipe, bumping power up a bit but revs out further. The heavy flywheel really got traction without crazy wheel spin, its was really fun on flowing single track. Im really interested in the 4 stroke 300 in this frame but nobody has one yet
Thank you for giving us your feedback, it's always good to hear what other riders who have ridden one think. Hopefully we can get our hands on one of the new models or the 300 4-stroke to test out.
Thanks for checking out the video and giving us your input!
Thank you Rocky Mountain ATV MC for the honest and unbiased review. I'm glad to be able to add my new bike to my profile and not have to cross reference everything.
We're working on finding other cross referenced parts as we find them, and I hope you'll be adding to the ever growing list of aftermarket goodies for these.
Honestly even if it were a quality motorcycle I couldn't support it because it's pretty unethical what they do by just ripping off designs. I guarantee what happened with the filter cage was the guy tasked with copying the KTM one had it rotated the wrong way in his CAD program. No one caught the mistake because they didn't actually develop anything, just copy and pasted it. Same with the heat shield divots - definitely evidence of a copy without thinking approach.
The company manufacturing this bike now make the DT230 engine under license and own all the old Yamaha tooling for the engine and associated parts. The exhaust retains the divots for the heat shield stand offs because it comes out of an original Yamaha press ;-)
I totally agree. Plus, on top of that, I am sure it is made with cheap Asian steel, and, if you buy it you are sending money to a communist country. Their country's true and inherently natural methods in innovation seem to be limited to their creative ways to conduct industrial espionage and steal and copy anything and everything.
@@johnguilbert1349 The UK is flooded with Chinese bikes, they're all terrible clones where it's obvious the Chinese have no idea what they're doing and why. The cheap materials is probably the no 1 issue, I've seen people snapping kicstarters on 125 4 strokes it's that bad...
What a silly thing to say. It's called business mate...
As if there's any real ethics in business or the US govt. I think not !
Kinda interesting but there are lots of nice used ktm s for 5 to 6k and that's what I would recommend.
@The Host nice one same lol
Keeping wiring harnesses in one piece seems to be a real pain n the ass for Ktm's..
@The Host pot metal? Ktms metallurgy is pretty advanced I put 1000 hours on a 250 2 stroke ktm stock crank stock cylinder.
@@johneubanks5951 I haven't seen any outstanding wiring issues with ktms in my shop.
And a used ktm would still be more reliable
The engine is a yamaha dt230 lanza. Not wr200.
It's a 225cc. As a standard yamaha dt230 it even had traction control as standard and it worked very well too as I had a few of them
The TSE doesn't have the traction control option, just standard CDI. Some people liked it, some hated it. There's the standard CDI and now an upgraded version though. Talks about an aftermarket mapping switch between the two though which would be awesome.
It doesn’t take much engineering or r&d to reverse engineer someone else’s designs and slap together a bike. Remember that if you buy one of these you are more or less telling the other manufacturers that their investments into new technologies, r&d and intellectual property are of no value to you as their sales of new models will steer where they continue to invest. I would much rather wait a few more years to save and spend a bit more to support the companies that are pushing our sport forward. I do think the mainstream companies could use a budget two stroke but I will not invest in those that cheat the system and are bottom feeders... something to consider
Agreed. A similar effect is going on with dual sports, minus the infringement angle. The companies that have innovated are charging more (KTM), but they're starting to get a much larger share of the market especially as their older models start selling used at prices competitive with new Japanese dual sports that haven't changed in decades. Kawasaki canceled the KLR 650, which used to be the best selling dual sport year after year. No one wants an old fat pig with dated suspension. Now Honda are playing catch up with the CRF450L, and I'm excited to see what the other Japanese companies do next.
Actually they bought out the old tooling and rights to the DT230 Lanza engine and associated parts from Yamaha... It's possible they also licensed the frame and airbox design from KTM/Husqvarna ;-)
Fast Ace are established suspension manufacturers.
I'm interested to see if the Yamaha Tenere 700 can fill the market gap that the KLR held :-)
krazed0451 if that’s true I’ll bite my tongue. Innovation however comes at a price, something for everyone to consider.
I definitely won't be surprised if they have stolen IP. I don't believe this bike is about innovation though, it's just filling a segment that seems to have died, by combining proven designs... Cheap, well suspended, easy to maintain ;-)
I applaud their efforts to bring a lower cost good featured bike out. You got your TTR type trail bikes, used bikes and then the Japanese and Euro Enduros. There is a big price gap in the market for people who want a bike with more features than a oil cooled trail bike but don’t need or can’t afford a premium race bike. But, let me know after 100 hours on it how it’s doing mechanically.
Check in on the Adventure Riders forum, there's a big thread on there with some guys getting up there in hours ridden... Given they bought the old DT230 tooling from Yamaha the engine life should be decent, it's a fairly simple motor.
I've thrashed the shit out of my bike and it still holding together..I understand their are some copying issues goin on with this bike,it's practically a ktm-husq-yamaha rolled all into one,but has anyone ever thought about how greedy American companies are? You can buy the same bike in Australia only a 4 stroke for $2100 bucks plus $400 in shipping.and it's a KTM knockoff..even the parts say KTM..I believe alot of higher end bikes outsource alot of their parts to China and then put their bikes together in their Homeland..sooo I do know companies go to several places in China and buy forks,then rear swingarms,then engines,frames etc etc and say ok,I wanna buy so many of these and so many of those,then they build bikes from a pile of stuff and say ok,here's the all new funky- monkey looney-rooster dirtbike!! They're is so much to it besides reverse engineering and the likes..
@@johneubanks5951 Where can I get a 4t bike like this in Australia?
LostinPA - dead wrong. Chinese engines are bulletproof, one thing they can do from decades of millions of small motorcycles carrying huge loads. It's stuff like chrome that rusts, switchgear failing (as the starter button in the video) and especially cheap plastics without UV protection that go hard and crack in months to a couple of years. But the engine isn't going to stop.
@@johneubanks5951 No way can you get this bike in Australia for $2,100. You must be thinking about the Hawk 250 DLX, which is around that price. The Hawk is no comparison to this GPX. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Um Brazil this bike name is MXF 250TS, i like that and love two Strokes, Yamaha's engine are só strong.
Great Review Justin! You even did this on one of my very favorite trails!
Its the EXACT same motor that came out of the Lanza (DT230) which was an upgraded version of the WR200.. This engine has been put to the test and I’ve never heard a thing bad about them which is why when you find an WR200 they are priced pretty high.. Might pick this one up... A painless new bike...
A couple people I met just bought the 2020 versions with LED front & tail lights...they seemed even better and higher quality in the 2020 year models! Everything looked solid. I just put a down payment on a new TM , and bought my girl the Husky TE150i, but I really want this as a second bike. It really was a slick design - plastics & frame/chassis mirrored the 18 year Husky mofel offroad enduros...even the large hand grips to lift the rear of the bike (way better than the handgrip design of the 2020 Husqvarnas like my wifes). The wheels, hubs, and triple clamps looked factory-like. The tires I heard are not great but I don't particularly like ANY stock tifes for ANY brand. I'm a believer from listening to the shop owner's experiences riding, buying, and selling of the product. If you don't want to spend as much cash but want a good 2-stroke and 4 stroke, I would immediately recoomend a 2020 GPX TSE 250R and a 2020 Kawasaki KLX 300R. Both of these bikes are pretty stellar! You get reliability and fun, but not as much room to really get too ahead of your skill level...in otherwords our mouths and pride checking a cash our body and minds can't cash. Fun is what riding is all about, and you can modify these bikes to go faster when the right time comes and have something different out there. TM, Beta, and Shercos are good to get once you have the skills and need to go faster for racing and serious riding both recreationally and professionally. Best of luck! 👍You can't go wrong with this GPX thpugh...I can't wait to add one to my garage for weekend getaway riding/camping...
I'm literally about to buy a street legal 2019 tse 250 that's like new, he's asking 2000$ for the bike and of course I'm going to try and haggle on the price but I feel like 2grand is a decent price. After watching your video I feel confident that it's an ok bike to have for the money and it's a 2 stroke so that's a plus for me.
Thank you, I've been anxiously awaiting your adding GPX to your site.
I have one and I LOVE it.
I essentially wanted a KDX220 with magic button, counter balancing, better suspension and better ergonomics and that's exactly what I got. There's a bit of information that's a tad off on the video, but overall pretty good. Engine is Yamaha DT230 base, we never saw it here. WR200 was the most similar relative though. Fast Ace is Taiwanese too, but we're splitting hairs. :)
I've got 24.1 hours on mine for those curious. It's starting to become the best bike I've owned thus far in 30 years of riding.
So what about the problems mentioned? Did you have those? Any additional or different problems?
I had the gas cap issue, and I just removed the screws and added M8 bolts. No problems with the starter button. My float was a bit off which I may have done when I rejetted it, and I went down hard enough to damage my headlight and managed to get a loose electrical connection on my power valve. Bike still ran, but without the PV moving, it felt more like a 125. Everything else has been great.60mph back roads extended cruising to bark busting single track in the rocks and rain, it's not had much struggle. Plenty of power on tap. More linear than a KDX220, less pipey, heavier flywheel. As much get up and go in the low and mid range as a 250, but you notice in the upper revs that it's not a true 250. Technically she's a 225. Not gutless by any means, but high in the revs you notice it's more 200 than 250.
How is the suspension?
Fantastic. I like it far better than my 2012 WR450F suspension and it's better than my buddies Betas and KTM's. I can't compare it to AER's, just the XPlores, but I'd say this is some of the best suspension out of the box I've ever had.
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My gas cap sucks, but I've read of other brands with similar issues. Some blame ethanol in our gas. My filter cage looks ok. I usually have a spare filter, so I'll get a replacement cage when I get spare filter. Just incase.! My kill and start buttons have worked Everytime.
Very nice been waiting for a test on this bike!
I had a 95 WR250, it was my favorite bike and I'm looking for something similar. It had enough torque for slow trails, water, hills, etc. but when you hit the powerband it went from XR200/250 like performance to FAST! It was like 2 bikes in one. I also rode a RMX250 but it just wasn't the same... (Still good tho)
But at 5-6k why not buy a couple year old ktm, husky, yzf, rmz, crf.... The list goes on and on
What kind of losers want a second hand bike, seriusely
malageb1 what loser wants this corona cycle lmao
More than a couple years. Maybe 6-8 year old ktm. They are 10k new and hold they’re value pretty well. If you know the history of the bike and it’s clean I agree with you. But that’s hard to find.
And the WR200 is based on Yamaha DT 125 R from 1987. An old engine, but a good one.
I've only been hearing great things not only about the gpx brand, but even ssr now with the ssr300
You hear good things about these Chinese shit boxes from the shills selling them! There is no shortage of these shills on You tube.
@@MikeHF lol wut
These bikes are Husquavarna/KTM.
take the gas tank off,turn upside down and it says KTM..the frame is exactly husky!! Helluva bike and handles great..the engines are Yamaha ol 200 2stroke...the Chinese have replicated or had a ton of over runs from making parts for husky or KTM..at a helluva lot cheaper price..I've rode this bike and it's perfect for trail riding or hare scrambles..
Plenty of people on Craigslist buy a new bike, keep a bike for a year or so, loose interest and wind up selling a bike for thousands of dollars less with low hours. Bought a 2015 Yamaha WR250F that had thirty hours on it for $4000, (MSRP is around $8000) put the aftermarket ECU for $107, a YZ250F silencer off eBay, did the desmog modifications which cost nothing and I have an Estart/Kickstart bike that I know I can rely on and get parts.
Where? I haven't seen any decent prices lately, everyone wants 1 yr old prices for ragged out 5 or 6 yr old bikes. KTM, forget about it, every KTM owner thinks their bike is worth 6500+.
@@TheRoadhammer379 Your right. My comment was made quite a bit longer than a year ago (than it says) before the prices went crazy and still haven't come down on everything. There were some good prices on KTM's last summer ; now I am looking at bikes like you say and prices are worse. Don't even get me started on housing prices.
Please let us know how this bike holds up after 100 to 300 hours of mountain trail riding.
Do you have an updated review of the 2021 model for this bike? If so, can you link it? If not, are you planning to review their new models? I've seen videos from new UA-camrs that say they have addressed a lot of design and quality issues. I have an interest in a bike like this that I can license. Thanks for the video (even though I'm just seeing it two years later). 😁
How about an updated review of these?
All these people complaining about the price of the bike and how they could buy a used Japanese or Euro bike for the same is just ridiculous. GPX could make the bike a few thousand cheaper, but then it would break all the time as is commonly expected of Chinese products. The Chinese are finally starting to put out quality bikes and the price reflects that quality. For example, the suspension is just as good as or better than KTM suspension from what I've read on the adventure rider forum. It's not perfect, and it has a few small issues, but it's worlds better than anything the Chinese have made in the past.
I cannot find the OEM KTM Air Filter Cage on Rocky Mountain's website. Can you help me out with a part number? Thanks
What if I’m trying to go for a little more power then an 85 but not enough to through me off like a 150 race bike or other name brand 250’s
If they can’t even make an air filter cage what else did they cheap out on?
Need to run this bike through a hard enduro for a few days to see how well it holds up, then give us an evaluation summary.
Find the people that stand by this bike and endorse it . Enter it in the Baja 1000 race for them to ride it in . The chase truck can pick up whats left of it at mile 100 . Yeah that's 1000 missing one digit .
Just to let you know Factace do front forks for SWM ( and they are very good )
This bike is a great hard enduro technical bike. Easy to ride and it luggs down low. I was impressed as I rode with a guy in hard tech trails and the bike worked great. Got all husky plastics that fit it too.
I ride the GPX FSE 250e. I'm really interested in getting their 450cc coming out soon.
Fse 250 has a 300cc big bore kit and they're working on the TSE big bore kit.
How much HP can this dish out ? Is it even comarable to a japanese 200cc or ktm 150 2t? asking because its bassicaly an old yamaha 230cc they put into it
I wonder if the electric fan for husky/ktm would work on this bike, and I wonder if some jetting changes would wake it up
Ohhh helll no. If thy can't even copy a filter basket properly who knows what else they've screwed up. I'd rather spend $2500 on a used Japanese 2 stoke with a long reputation for reliability than risk over over 5K on this thing.
I hear ya bro!
True that, I mean what kind of noob doesn't look if your product (bike) it's properly assembled.
True man
I think it's worth risking some home QA on one of these, by all accounts the distributor has been very fast to replace any faulty parts and I've not seen any reported engine issues on the forums as yet. Adventure Rider forum has a good running thread on the bikes, I look forward to picking one up second hand, dirt cheap in a few years (presuming they make it to Aus).
I'm sure the filter cage issue will be solved right away, but the start button and gas cap need fixed too.
The WR200 revs to 13K RPM, why doesnt this one rev so high though??
Engine bearing seals, hub seals and bearings, head set, fork seals, rear shock seals is what really concerns me about these bikes and I was warned away from them. Any helpful long term info on these would be welcome. Awesome video, Thanx4sharing!!
You've already made up your mind, so move on
i wonder how that bike whould handle if you put a yz exhaust and a PWK carb on it. I whould love to have i biike like this one, only i whould havce put 17" on it and drive it on the street.
it wasnt based on wr 200 it ws theold yam dt 223 or 225 an that was an on an off road but there is tons of after market for the old DTs tbh
Hi, which year and model KTM or Husky air filter and cage did you use? It is not enough to say you used a KTM setup, there are hundreds of different ones depending on the model and year. Thanks...
All 2016+ KTM/Husky 2 strokes use the same air filter cage. Part # 50406016000
@@rmatvmc OK thanks! I have a 2022 GPX TSE250R, I think they fixed the cage but I wanted a Twin Air filter and Twin Air does not make filters for GPX bikes
@@rmatvmc Does not look like you carry 50406016000, but thanks for info
Wish Yamaha would bring back that 90's WR 200.
Is this available for Canada too?
Is the silencer a USFS approved spark arrestor?
Time to review the 2022 model to see how good it is now with all the revisions that they have made...
My YZ250 will clutch up 5th gear. There’s no way it’s that weak you can’t get it up in 2nd. Is it really that bad?
What trail is this and where is it located?
"Modeled after..." A polite way of saying "cheap knock-off..."
Please do a video on this bike after 1 year of riding
Can a kickstart be added to this bike? Ticks all of my boxes except for that.
Not totally sure. We don't offer one for it.
@@rmatvmc all good. I'll look into it and post up when I get the bike 😁
I had a tse 250 they are a great bike for the money ! Parts are easy to get. I’m 150 pounds and it’s to stiff. Got a cr125 now . Better for my weight 😎
I wanna see it set up for moto and see how it does
That rear shock did not move over that log. Hard as a rock.
Does the cylinder really have 248 or 249cc on it? Or is it really a 200 and they just call it a 250?
Does it hit a powerband? Never heard it?
A sidenote is that the piston and crank, would probably outlast the KTM - because the engine was originaly a dual purpose design.
What is the fraction of the price for KTM if you looking for something cheap and new go for it
Good video, GPX probably represents the best of Chinese bikes right now. I just got the 4 stroke air cooled GPX FSE 250e. Haven’t put it together yet but very pleased with the quality on a $3700 bike. GPX is also Pitster.
Well, GPX is an American brand that sources manufacturing in China but has quality control and final assembly in the US. They're 90% of a KTM at 60% of the price. For people like me that want a nice reliable, cheap and lightweight street legal trail bike, these are honestly the best bang for your buck. They developed a lot of their stuff with Kayo, a brand that's founded by the former lead engineer of Honda's Asian mainland branch. You can find those in dealerships now
Wonder sbout the Chinese electrical system. I know people that bought 4 stroke Chinese bikes and the stators failed quite readily.
The yamaha was sell in some countries as the DT200r
Hell yea Rocky mountain can't wait for supercross o have a 2016 kx450f woods ride help me out anything works !!
Will you give a long term review on this motorcycle please?
It won't be around long enough to have a long term review.. 30 hours and this thing is clapped out.
My buddy has 45 hours on his at Vet A race pace. Someone better tell him his bike is gonna blow! :)
looking to buy this bike due to its price....i just hope it is reliable lol. I am wondering how is the down low / medium RPM range for tractoring and chugging in technical terrain
The power is soft, but also very smooth. It chugs pretty good through technical stuff. You can tell it has a heavy flywheel. - Justin
@@rmatvmc i think I might go with the TPX. i mean the price is good and heard its made with old engine concepts to be reliable so I think this should be a solid bike engine transmission wise. Do you think it has more "power/Pull" than the DRZ400? I know the delivery is different, but just power over all.
@@RWWRENTAL it's actually very close, main thing you will feel is the weight difference (50ish lbs)
Thanks for the clip.; )
Great video. Where were you riding at during the video?
Thanks! This is up Payson Canyon, Utah.
Can you do the 250e or 450e
a good trail bike is a kdx 200 but that bike is pretty cool
So, basically, someone built something to recreate the character of the KDX200...a fun two-stroke for the non-racer to enjoy. If they get their QC issues sorted, I'd buy.
Only issue I've had with mine in 25 hours is the gas cap, fixed by 3 M8 bolts to replace the screws. No issues with the starter or the filter cage. I admit though I didn't keep the stock one long. The screen definitely restricts airflow to the carb a bit. $12 fix.
Nice review! that trail looks awesome, were are you riding?
This is up Payson Canyon.
Where is this riding filmed at?
This is up Payson Canyon in Utah.
I have lxr 250cc fron sen company is great bike for the money
Oh my God you ride! We should be friends!
Hey im also looking any good Chinese 🇨🇳 company for dirt bike
Pls tell my how's your experience with your Chinese bike
I wonder how I could get stiffer spring. Because I’m 6’1” and 220 lbs. I’ve had over 25K teams but I live in East Tennessee and the riding area is pretty much gone and all the Enduro and cross country trails are wore out Now I was going to buy a new KTM this year but by the time I got it dialed in for myself I was going to have close to $13,000 in that motorcycle. And I just don’t race as much as I used to and I have a 2008 300 with less than 200 hours on it and that’s probably all I need for now. Because I have it set up and I would’ve been no faster on the 2020 KTM. And if I really needed a bike I would take a look at one of these if I could get the suspension springs needed. And some other Goodys just allow me to continue to ride some.
Im the same height/weight and was wondering the same. There is a FB group that the owner will respond directly to you with questions, and guys posting what they are doing to the bikes. Or search FastAce directly. Im considering getting one of these two. I just rode one, it was quiet, smooth and grunty. LCARS ADV has a lot of vids on these
Does it only have electric start
The bike in this video was only electric start but the new models do have a back up kick starter.
Where is this trail at!
This trail is near Payson, Utah.
So it's basically a tricked out wr200? Ngl i want one.
Riding starts at 6:30
in canada the yamaha yz250 is about $1400 more than this bike and the yamaha yz125 is about $700 more.
If it's anything like my 1992 WR200 then this is pretty neat
I have enough problems on my bike lol. I dont want extra problems to deal with
Why are Chinese sizes always off?
Mileage?
finally a yamaha motor in a ktm frame
See alot of comments about how it's not fair because they copied ktm or so and so. I say screw that, gpx/pitster is targeting a market the big 5 has ignored.
110cc 4 stroke with decent suspension for kids, where you at honda, or anyone actually?
Reasonable priced 250cc 2 stroke trail bike, suzuki, kawasaki, honda want to join the party?
And you think that if any of the big 5 comes out with something revolutionary and starts dominated, that the other manufacturers aren't gonna have that sucker torn down and reverse engineering the next day.
2 stroke?
Dear Lord what's the maintenance requirements??
I have one of these bikes myself. My dirt time is limited, so it's mainly been a commuter bike for me. You can read my initial reviews on it on my site here andrewgore.net/1209 I also have a compilation of other info listed there as well to help out other GPX owners. I will note that I've got a couple off-road rides on it at some local parks and have been incredibly surprised at the overall behavior of the bike. The power is very tractable, and while normally I'd found that my prior bike (KTM 350exc) was king of hill climbs, that this was equal, if not better. I'm putting this partially down to a likely heavier flywheel and also a bit down on power compared to the 350, but I ended up climbing the hills quicker as I was spending less time spinning the rear wheel, and more time accelerating. I spent some time on a smaller MX track with it, and had no issue keeping up with other MX based bikes that were out there. Weather pending, I'll be taking my GPX to the local harescrambles and see how she handles in the Open A class. Considering it's been a year since I last raced, I have a feeling my body will be the limiting factor.
*Andrew Gore* That is one nice extensive review you did! NIce work. Look forward to see how the GPX can hang on the track and on some Hare Scrambles. Thanks for sharing!
Our granddads, great granddad's used to say the same thing about Japanese products just after WWII - give them time. Chinese bikes will become a respected brand, just like Japanese bikes are now or were perhaps - hello Beta!
I was thinking the same thing, I'm old enough to remember people complaining about cheap Japanese junk.
I know people who ride 125s in the open expert
As always, glad that RMATVMC covered this. As far as the bike goes though, for me it's a big fat bowl of nope. Less than an extra 2k for a new Yamaha YZ250X makes it a no brainer for me given the vast quality, performance, reliability, and parts availability difference.
Just to say, if USA would reverse engineer this or anything for that matter it would be 2-3x that price.