Why did CAT Stop Making Truck Engines?
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- Опубліковано 4 січ 2022
- Some of you swear by Caterpillar engines. But unfortunately Caterpillar Inc. discontinued producing truck engines back in 2016.
Were they pushed out of the market? Did the fail to comply with the EPA restrictions? Watch this video to find out.
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Cat got sick of trying to meet emissions requirements. Truck engines were a small part of their business, so they decided to get out. CAT was my favorite engine.
Yes, i worked with the guy who nixxed the project. Emissions were changing every couple years, complicating everything, and it wasn't as financially viable nor worth the constant government headaches.
Yes the Emissions also has made the ford 6.7s diesels are junk always in for warranty work unreliable
Especially in cold weather here in Canada exhaust fluid freezes into a block then the heaters fail total garbage and puts engine in limp mode lol
In other words, increasing cost of emissions compliance forced a consolidation in the industry. It’s only profitable to sink billions of dollars into emissions R&D when you can spread that cost out across a high number of units. So it forces the industry to consolidate so that only 2 or 3 major engine manufacturers have to make that R&D investment.
The good old 3406.
I had two tractors with the 3306 engine, a 966 loader and a 528 grapple skidder. Those were great engines and easily reparable out in the field. Having been a logger for over 20 years, I miss what happened to our country. For that matter, the destruction of our way of life...
We run an all cat powered fleet. As long our blocks stay with us we will rebuild them with cat parts and run them until the EPA bans them. There is no substitute for yellow power!
Will the cat parts from China hold up?not a chance.
Ain't got nothing on my Volvo power
Lol 😆
@@daleolson3506 most rebuild parts are made in the USA.
@@timhall7450 also Chinese
We still run 3406 B,C and Es as well as C15C. They are all excellent engines. We don’t go to California any more and would rather cut our hands and feet off rather than go there again.
Is this part of the problem with the supply chain demand?
@@itruck96 California absolutely does not pay top freight unless it's intrastate. Freight leaving doesn't pay squat.
Commifornia
I live in CA, I drove a truck with a 3406B in it and loved it until we had to sell it in 2019. We still have a truck with a C13 acert but it’s kind of a pile of junk.
I rebuild 2 stroke detroit diesels in riverside ca.. the state wants to shit us down however they won’t because much of the state and local equipment still has old detroit diesels in it and who do they come to when stuff needs fixin? Us.. we also repair and maintain some of the fire departments old detroit fire trucks when needed.. many of the new fire trucks aren’t that reliable and are constantly having issues so many fire departments opted to keep 1 or 2 old detroits around for backup.. i think there’s 17 in riverside alone.. not to mention genrators, well pumps, drill rigs etc that still have old screamin Jimmy’s…
Kenworth in Australia didn’t refuse to put CAT or Detroit engines in their trucks, those two companies refused to supply them. When Kenworth in Australia got wind that Caterpillar weren’t going to supply any more, they stockpiled as many engines as they could. Cummins had failures pulling our big weights, and the Series 60 wasn’t powerful enough. A lot of people here cursed Caterpillar for that, as it was and still is a very popular engine. The CAT truck here was an abject failure and didn’t last long. The CAT 3408 in my truck has done huge hours since it was made in 1980 and I still work it hauling 80 tons roadtrains over long distances. Enjoyed your video.
That's insane, thanks for the information
The 3126 is pretty much bullet proof minus the oiling heui system its good
How many hp you got?
Is there any good way for us newer drivers to get our hands on cat engines and still run in California?
Likely CAT decided to not pursue any more business with Paccar, anywhere.
Anyways, they wouldn't necessarily manufacture and supply parts and support for one market, specially one that isn't that big. No offense, but the population in Australia is kinda small, so the demand for trucks wouldn't be that big to justify the running costs to maintain the market, specially if there was already a great likelyhood that aussies would follow emissions legislations similar to the EU, US and Canada.
I work at Cat and I believe one of the reasons they got out of on highway engines was because they didn’t have engineers that could figure out how to stay in the market because most of the engineers I deal with over the last few years are contracted, so many don’t have the knowledge from the design stage to an actual working part that is proven. More of the “old guys” that deal with this stuff for decades have left and that knowledge hasn’t been replaced, unfortunately. Cat made a big mistake when they threw in the towel on these OTR engines because they had a cult-like following.
I agree with the cult like following. Great loyalty to Cat. My 3408 was heavy and expensive but it was worth it. Got 20,000 hours of service with no problems. Knew a driver who pulled a box trailer who had a cartoon painting of Garfield the cat on his back door; the caption said, “You could have had a V-8.”
I have driven the 1693TA, 3406PC, 3406A, 3406B, and still diving a 3406E, I have to say These engines are the greatest.
Many, many years ago, my Dad worked at CAT who paid to send him to school to become a master machinist. Sad to see the old things go by the wayside.
Cat continues to make all of their own engines for their equipment, power generation, and locomotive products. About a third of their revenue is based on engine sales. Not sure why he said that Cat stopped producing engines. Also, the main reason that they stopped producing engines was that the truck manufacturers were vertically integrating (building their own engines). Paccar had their own engines, which they were putting into Kenworth and Peterbilt. Volvo had their own engine, and Daimler Benz was putting their own engine into Freightliner. There didn’t seem to be a future for an independent engine maker, let alone two (Cummins and Cat). At that point Cat’s equipment and power generation business was exploding and they had to decide whether to build more capacity to support both the truck industry and the booming equipment/power generation demand. Given the vertical integration happening in the truck industry, they decided to not invest in additional capacity and gave up the trucking business. The trucking business was also low margin for Cat and did not justify continued investment.
There were quite a few facts in this video that I think are wrong
Wow! that is shocking NEWS bad NEWS. I remember driving a number of different trucks having the 3406 in different models. I always loved listening to the engine run and would turn off the radio for hours on end just to listen the big 6cyl CAT run most of the night (2006 2007)
ALL manufacturers had a hard time with emissions, CAT gave it an attempt but decided they didn't need to weather that storm.
At the time their big military contracts for the C7 and C15, which were emissions exempt, was probably enough to not even miss the EPA headaches of the road truck market.
I miss my C16 600 Cat.with the 2050 lbs of torque. Unbeatable engine.
I live under a rock because I didn’t know any of this. Thank you for making this video. This saddens me greatly, because this just affirms that one day they’re going to make it illegal to use a gas or diesel engine, which I believe they’re already starting to do in California. If not that then all the emissions stuff will ultimately force regular people to give up on Diesel engines. The reason people “delete” the emissions components is because they force you to have all of it on your vehicle but BY GOD when, and I mean WHEN and not IF it breaks, it’s coming out of YOUR pocket to fix because it’s all labeled as a “filter” or “wearable component.” 😡
I don't personally run Caterpillar engines in my trucks, but I know a lot of people that do. There's still a lot of 3406B engines on the road. I think overall that was probably Caterpillar's best engine ever made.
They are hard to come by now but indeed, drivers swear by them! Thank you for sharing!
Why don't you run CAT engines in your trucks??
@@k.c.marshall921 Because I'm a Cummins man. Not the Cats are bad, I just prefer my Cummins engines.
@@jeffw.580 Ok..... understand
@@k.c.marshall921 Cummins is a little easier to work on and more cost effective than Cat. You can't beat a big cam Cummins.
Failed Emissions has killed the trucking industry and small businesses that can’t afford repairs. Extremely smart move by CAT backing out of truck engines. My 1995 DD gets better MPG’s than most new trucks and a lower fuel cost with no DEF .
Had a 1999 GMC C7500 with the 3126 Cat engine. The greatest thing ever from -39° to +40° always started and ran. Didn't give any problems (as long as a oil change every 10000km)
I've got a Paccar engine in my DAF XF 460bhp and it's great apart from the constant check engine lights. So much so that my workshop told me if it's an orange light then keep driving, and only get worried if it's flashing red.
If I could put an old pre-emissions engine in my truck I would but that kind of practice is not common in the UK.
I get the random lights and feature shutoff issues pretty often in Freightliner Cascadias. 2018 thru 2021, it seems like this is the new standard for trucks these days. Nothing even wrong with the truck, just the computer thinks there is. Would be nice if quality would become a priority again considering how much we have to pay for a new truck.
Your DAF goes tededem tededem.
@@joshk.4470 allegedly, not that I, as a respectable trucking company owner, would ever do such a thing, having the engines deleted gets rid of those issues, and increases fuel mileage substantially, again allegedly, so I’ve heard…..
Pre emissions engine install in the U.K., and most of Europe, Im pretty sure that results in the death penalty. At least life in prison.
If the environmentalist and government is so keen on slapping restrictive measures on vehicle engines for all the crap of smog control, then start applying it to those rich owned private jets and their engines that are flying high and polluting the atmosphere up high, to what is called direct injection pollutions. Those jets put out more pollution up high than many thousands of combined vehicles do. I would like to also know what is the health effect issues of the DEF fluid is that I constantly smell from those diesel engines, because that crap stinks horrible.
Not to mention that cargo ships that move shipping containers over seas run on waste engine oil or sometimes crude oil for fuel that is heated up to flow better in the mechanical injection system.
The funny thing is that so many people are deleting their diesels rn people will go the lengths to have a reliable truck emissions free/no DPF.
I just the other day we had a deleted duramax drive in w 300k on the clock, if the owner keeps the DPF off it’ll probably be back w a million if he’s on maintenance.
That DEF is nasty shit, it’ll crystallize on the floor of the shop, & make a mess all to make the exhaust a tad bit cleaner. All the mess, plastic jugs, extra metal in the exhaust, making more carbon than they actually create.
It’s about power, & control. Cows emit more methane gas w farts than all the cars in the us combined! It’s ridiculous. Plus a square acre of trees absorbs a shit ton of carbon per year! It’s called photosynthesis. Trees get the carbon from the air that make oxygen we breathe.
I’ve smelled the DEF fumes from DPF trucks & it’s nasty. Plus the natural smell of diesel exhaust has a sweet smell to it when u start the truck up in the morning.
I’m all for making em cleaner, but it gets to a point where it’s just ridiculous it’s not worth having the regulations at all.
I drive a truck and have never smelled def besides when it gets spilled. Almost all current diesel engines use def now. That includes construction equipment, boats, generators. Planes don’t use diesel so I don’t know how those emissions are controlled.
also the emissions on trucks do more harm then good
@@truefarmer12345 No doubt about that, and any mechanic will agree.
@@blauer2551 It's my understanding that jet fuel A is a super refined diesel fuel.
My whole fleet is with cat engine currently and very rare when we're broke down and there's parts available instant
Any of these running the C15 or C16?
@@thisismagacountry1318 they are c7 doing OTR
@@Frank1776. Any hiring around San Antonio?
@@thisismagacountry1318 it is all over
WHOA! You forgot about CAT subsidiary Progress Rail which makes diesel locomotives for railroads in North America and around the world. CAT acquired the business in 2010 from GM's ElectroMotive Division, the most prolific diesel locomotive maker in the world.
Sitting in an old peterbilt with a c13 right now. Bulletproof truck.
CAT saw the writing on the wall with EPA constantly moving the yard stick. So they got out while they had their shir on their back.
And they will NEVER come back to the OTR market. I don't blame them either.
I worked & retired from Cats foundry in Mapelton, IL. 1977-2008 We would ship 100's of 3406 & 3208 blocks to Mossville machine & assembly plant everyday. I worked on the line for 3208's in the 80's & 90's & we would ship 650-700 blocks seven days a week for years. We also cast all the big blocks for mining, railroad, generators & huge ocean boats. Heads & liners also. Most of the smaller blocks where shipped to their Mexico foundry about the time I retired.
My pops still drive an 8v92t so I've never been around CATs but I've always heard all the good things about them
7 of my trucks still have c15 that are running strong. CATs are still my favorite engine but the new Cummins x15 have done surprisingly well in my newer trucks
the cummins x15 good on fuel? get a lot of check engine lights? thanks
@@yourchava my company hauls overweight doubles often pulling upwards of 130,000 lbs so I’m not concerned about fuel usually get 4 mpg. We do get lots of engine lights but so far they are minor issues like bad sensors. I haven’t had any major issues to report
All of them are good when proper service is done.
I like Cummins and Cat but I will never again buy a paccar engine. All 5 of my paccars heads cracked at 400k miles exactly and Peterbilt refused to fix them even though they were under warranty
The X15 is a pretty reliable engine. It seems to actually handle this emissions crap a lot better than the ISX. But there’ll never be another kitty cat
they also do very well selling re-man pistons for older engines. I worked at a company that made lots of Cat pistons but the ones coming back in were where the profit margin was. When the engine was torn down and needed new pistons you had to return your old pistons as a core charge, those were sent out to be cleaned and then send back to the factory. Once we had them back we would take out the old brass wrist pin bushings and press in new brass bushings and then send them to pin bore for gaging and new pin bore bored. Then they went back out as re-man pistons as good as new pistons.
Thanx for enlightening me on a subject I did not know existed but still found interesting.
Cat stopped making over the road hwy tractor engines because they couldn't get the technology right with ACERT and decided to concentrate on their off road cash cow. In 2013 EPA set stringent guidelines for NOX emissions generated because of high engine running heat to reduce carbon particulates captured by the 2007 required diesel particulate filters. Cummins and Detroit realized the way to do this was with an additional SCR catalysts and DEF fluid injection into the exhaust after the particulate filter. CAT was just to big to evolve in time and didn't have the experience needed that Cummins and Detroit developed in Europe. CAT tried to work with the EGR , they called it ACERT Technology, and avoid the additional DEF fluid tank, and that just wasn't good enough to meet NOX levels. Ask Navistar how the EGR path went. Nearly bankrupted them and they had to switch to Cummins engine rather than their Navistar. I know this. I've been with a fire truck manufacturer and went to the seminars and watched the evolution on diesel engines since 2001 . I was also involved in a sale where the customer wanted a CAT engine and I had to warn him he may not get it, and that's exactly what happened. He ended up having to take a Mercedes Benz engine after watching the promised delivery date move back again and again.
That’s correct. They even went the high EGR route with their Perkins line up to 6.6 litres and they are fuel-guzzlers. I know because I run a four cylinder common-rail Perkins 4.4 turbo and also used to sell machines with those engines up to 180hp. Perkins/Cat have now lost the vast majority of their non-Cat customers due to their 2005-on common rail uncompetitive fuel consumption and the need for much larger cooling packs. John Deere went the same way but with more sophisticated variable vane turbos and external EGR, while Perkins went for the cheapest possible build and internal unregulated EGR which results in much fine soot to remove by DPF.
It seems that cat has the DPF and DEF tech down now. The heavy equipment at work uses it. They should get back in.
@@jessdigs
Yes. no large off-road engines can get away with not having both some EGR and Selective Catalytic Conversion [by way of DEF fluid, also called AdBlue] for the latest emission regulations. Cat could have chosen to go more towards the DEF route to start with and they would probably have retained more of their customers.
@@jessdigs But it still doesn't meet the enhanced CA emissions now coming online.
These pollution regs are going to destroy the US trucking industry. I know of at least a DOZEN O/O who had to spend THOUSANDS to keep fixing engines with bad DEF/EGR sensors and valves. My friend quickly learned how to swap out the EGR sensors so the DEF system wouldn't put his Pete in "limp home mode" all the time.
@@swaghauler8334 I honestly don't know that much about the cat emissions. I drive a Peterbilt 10 wheeler dump with the Cummins, and run a John Deere 310 most days. But I am in CA, I work for the biggest utility in the country and we have some nice equipment. All the newer equipment takes DEF and all seems to work well.
Great video and very informative thanks
I drove a Cat once with a Cat… yeah that was fun so impactful was the experience that 8 years on I can still recall the door trim falling of as I went to close the door 😂😂
lol yeah just by looking at those trucks says china quality
what a great channel and great overview....thanks...
All 4 of my trucks are Cat powered, 2 3406B's and 2 3406E's. Well technically one of the B's is actually a C converted to a B, it is 2022 and I figured with all the political stuff going on if the C wanted to be a B why not.
...' identifies as a B'🤣😂👌
Well Played Sir...well Played!
Sure, my N5F C15 identifies as an MXS.
Great video. Not sure if you covered it in a different video but there was a glider kit program where you could get a new chassis with a reman engine (Car,Cummins,Detroit ) but it ended in 2020. Knowing that program was ending my brother and I picked up two gliders . One with a Detroit and one with a c15. Fantastic engines and should run for a very long time.
It is very simple why cat stopped making truck engines. Regulations like the regen system and def killed the caterpillar engine.
Actually cat got out of the truck engine before def came along
And it was such a small portion of their engine sales, it just wasn't worth the hassle for them to stay in that market anymore. Not even 1/10th of the engines they built went into trucks. The real money is in the big 35xx, C175 and C280s.
@@rrg1214 they got out because they knew these engine with that crap on them would be total garbage and they were right
Cummins was 50 times more advanced. Cats were great after a year when the mechanic cracked into the fuel pump. Believe me, until then my foot was sore from holding down a new b-block. After they got turned up, look out!
My favourite cat engine was one from my youth, the iconic 380! That was serious dozer power back in the day. They had 360’s, the 375’s, 400’s but them 380’s would rock! Most who bought the new 425 A blocks wished they still had their 380’s. All changed with the B- variant.
At the time, Cummins would give you 500 right off the bat in their N-14. No break in period.
I don’t blame Caterpillar for stopping production of truck engines in North America why ruin the best engine ever built. I will keep running my 1MM 600 in my W900 till I can’t climb the steps to drive
When glider kits became popular again in order to get around "emissions " cat engines were the most requested, I have two, 2ws,5ek absolutely the best, performance horsepower. Torque. And reliability!!
Nice presentation. Just subscribed!
Drove so many 3406's cannot count em. Mostly local 5 state area in and around Minnesota. You would think they would always be under a truck hood. But they are doing OK with construction equipment! Good vid!
My 2002 Kenworth W900 20 Ton wrecker has a beautiful CAT C-15 and I love it, most powerful truck I've ever driven.
Got a mechanical 3406 in my 94 377 pete, broke the crank, Payson Diesle of Pason Utah rebuilt it, it ducked I had to go from Ohio to Utah but I would do it again in a heartbeat.
5:49 i worked at the cat plant in seguin, there were in fact rumors of getting back in, usually mentioned as a possibility when talking about future physical expansion of the building and adding a new assembly line
I too work at Cat, we make some of the best injectors! And am proud to be a part of the Cat family!
@@miscellaneousitems3332 Cat used Delphi injectors , same as many other manufacturers.
@@V8Lenny Delphi electronic engine controller from Mexico. Injectors manufactured at a Cat plant in Pontiac, Illinois.
@@larselder874 Acert used Delphi , older ones used Lucas injectors , basicly same company. ECM is Motorola.
@@V8Lenny you are wrong. Viscor flowed down by gravity when arriving in Mossville, IL from Pontiac, IL. The njectors shipped on their side, rather than vertical. When engine arrived at cold test for any interior leaks, we got a false leak message.
I have a cat 3126 in my rv and love it. good story, thank you for the history of cat
Great video although most steering wheels holders have no idea how to do a proper pretrip let alone the history or basic function of a diesel engine. Its sad what happened with Cat but I dont blame them. EPA ruined the diesel engine. Cat had a reputation for reliable engines and the after treatment regulations was throwing that down the toilet for them with their ridiculous new requirements year after year. Of course the other manufacturers got on board because they only see $$$ when you breakdown. Cat on the other hand decided to not participate in the molestation of their customers.
thanks for the comment.
I did not know that.
The EPA makes rules for a reason. Get use to change
@@stocks4bt Ok…..Let’s hear one good one other than to effect socialist control over the population
They do molest customers with the prices of their parts, just like John Deere.
@@blauer2551 like anything that lasts a long time yes their products come at a premium. For that reason. They have to stay in business. Quality OEM parts come at a higher cost.
Ahhh. Ran a truck that had that wonderful 2008 c13. Went through 2 ard heads in a month. One went, got it replaced. Made it about 20 miles from the shop, truck kicked into limp mode we we had it towed back in. Shop replaced the ard head again
The 1693 was my favorite. I don’t know the newer engines. I was forced to stop wrenching in 87 . I loved cats.
Back in the 70s my brother-in-law would always tell me he couldn’t have a Peet he’d have a K whopper with a Cat! RIP Hue Collier AKA Polk Salit!
Long live yellow iron! Best engine out there. Wish we still had them!
Worked in a diesel shop for 2 years and in that time I've seen and heard a lot of common issues with the ISXs, Series 60s, 3406 CATs, hell even was part of a DD13 swap on a Freightliner because the driver locked the engine up. Will say about the Cats though, specifically the 3406E, dunno if it was all 3406 blocks, but I learned after the first few rebuilds I seen in the shop the plate between the block and head is one area those engines like to fail at over time, and I've seen a couple go up in flames because the starter got stuck on both. Can't beat that sound though, the rattle and spool of a big single turbo on that engine is godly to listen to
Cats spacer plate design
@@FishFind3000 yep
Interesting. I grew up in Illinois where at one time it was said that eight out of ten people worked for caterpillar. My Dad worked for them throughout his career.
Similar situation here. All my family is from the Peoria area. My grandpa, uncle and cousin all worked for CAT in some form or fashion. Grew up around those big machines. Really miss it. I live in NC now, but always remember those good ole days.
Supplying engines to the on-road truck industry has never been a large business in the global Caterpillar company, it has rather been an add-on in what you get when you build large Diesel engines for other uses. When the pollution requirements came, it was no idea for Cat to be in this business
I was a shop Forman at a CAT truck engine shop from 2005-2010. That was the most miserable years of my Diesel engine mechanic career! Literally 4 of the those years I worked on junk and was a punching bag for fleet owners disappointed in their engines.
Great story telling 👏
Love my C15 6NZ & 3406E...both are big power and sip fuel.
well that cleared that up. i always loved my cat engine. never had problems with it, so long as i kept up the pms-daily ispections on it. wasn't ever going back to detroit desel as i always had one problem after another, and it never seemed to have the power of the Cat or Cumins engines.
My first truck ran a 3406B. The truck it sat in was a rolling heap, but the engine was amazing. Great sound, great power, and never missed a beat. Was also lucky enough to spend some time in a CAT rock truck. Those poor things got beat like rented mules 16 hours a day in awful conditions, and were still marvelously reliable. Will always go CAT if I have a choice.
What they did in OTR, they do by pulling hundreds of containers, trailers, and shoot, even coal, & iron ore, as they own EMD (Now Progress Rail).
The US Military selected the 3126 engine to power the FMTV and LMTV trucks manufactured by Stewart and Stevenson. The 3126 was selected for weight savings as it was a dry cylinder engine, failures were common. The 3226 was a slight improvement, but still under powered compared to the older Cummins 6CTA8.3 engine.
I've got a ton of 3406B miles under my belt, as we drove as teams and racked up 375,000 miles a year. The engines got an in-frame at two years, and the truck replaced at the end of the third year.
All of the trucks in our fleet have CAT engines in them. All except one, and that’s the one we drive to CA.
As a supervisor at Mossville Engine Center for Cat in early 2000’s this video only scratches the surface.
Thank you for that
history lesson
I've been retired for 15 years now and have not been in nor driven trucks, buses or heavy equipment since 2006. When I did, Caterpillar was the choice I preferred for overall performance. On the bottom end it had the power and torque needed to do the job, wether it was pushing earth or pulling hills from Vail pass in Colorado to cajon pass in Shaky. The 3406 B with 425 horses never let me down on the road. It was reliable, dependable and the get home valve was invaluable. I expirenced several problems with the Cummins engines so Detroit Diesels 8v92 would be my next choice.Thanks for the informative video.
FYI...CAT has NOT stopped making engines...They just stopped bowing to the EPA etc. for 'over the road' equipment. They are still a world renowned engine builder for power generation. Both for emergency power units and fixed platforms.
Ken
My shop is single handedly working to keep 2 stroke detroits alive.. our shop is basically an active museum when it comes to vintage diesels.. we also do cummins 220’s which nobody knows anymore
You should have played the hand of danger song, because a lot of CAT equiptment were in the safety training video's lol.
I had a Peterbilt with a 6nz cat engine. Unfortunately I live in California and it was outlawed. At 1 million miles oil testing showed under 10ppm of any metal particles, meaning the engine was like new. I felt pretty bad about getting out of trucking, the air resources board killed my livelihood and everything I had worked for. The egr engines that followed, brand C were a joke. Now I work on garage doors...
What do you need? I have a guy who scraps busses and theyre low milage and undertuned for about 4k it comes with most the hardware including the transmittion.
I agree, with everyone’s epa opinions, with that in mind, Reliability, and Dependability, 60 Series Detroit. Hard to beat them. Rebuild to Marine Specifications and all you power hungry gents won’t be disappointed
We had one of the first ones, we called it the sickly series.
Leave it to un elected bureaucrats to come up with ways to do away with internal combustion engines. This will eventually be a very costly mistake that may well destroy the middle class.
I'm still not convinced with electric vehicles, I don't give a hoot what Musk brags about.
Back in the 80's we had Fire trucks with 3208 engines in them Very reliable had really no serious issues with them. And we would start them cold and run them hard to go t0 fires and rescue calls. We switched to them after running Detroit Diesels for years.
Gee thanks for telling me about the EVA , AVM and VPN solution for the QBG issues. Once they did that the WRT was replaced by the JHL and VPK. But once the XRT came out, it was only a matter of time that the PSR was never going to replace the KPL, so CAT was SOL.
Can you make a video on my Detroit diesel stopped making DD60 engines?
Just a question, who makes the V12 Diesel motors for the Dump Trucks in our Superpit here in Kalgoorlie/Boulder I consider them trucks, really Big Trucks …
Interesting.
But I wonder what happened to the once ubiquitous Gardner diesel engines.
Cat and Detroit diesel exited the motorcoach and transit bus market too. They were left with Volvo, Cummins and other engine options remaining as of today.
I have 2 of them, 1LW and 5EK, best engines ever, very powerful and reliable, I would never sell my trucks. I owned Detroit S60, it was good engine but no power, especially running hills, but for flat surface it’ll run fantastic
I am still running my c 16 would not have anything else
I worked for Navistar/ International the manufacturer of the CAT truck. when they were trying to make the C-15 work and they literally were cooking and blowing engines. They couldn’t take the higher temps needed to make EGR work because at the time that’s how Navistar was trying to beat the emissions game. If they had used DEF and Aftertreatment it would of worked but Navistar’s strategies were wrong.
The primary reason the truck failed is because they couldn’t offer a 15L at one point Navistar was talking using a ISX 15 and CAT wouldn’t have it.
And then factor in all the 13L engine issues because it was just the Maxxforce 13 painted yellow with minimal changes.
You guys make great and informative videos. 👍
Glad you like them!
thank you for the comments.
I drive c12 and c15 in the marine corp I love it getting out in few months to do OTR I would love to buy a CAT any advice?
I drove a KW water truck with a 1693. Great power, but had to be careful not to break U-joints.
Let me tell you something right now....
I gotta damn.... 379 Peterbilt! With a 320” wheelbase.... 18 speed!! A Twin-Turbo
Kitty-Kat drag’n a damn..... Spread axle bull wagon. A Big Galaxy, peaked & tuned with a Con-nex board! And I’m from Malvern, Arkansas and I’ll blow your damn doors off!!!
All said in an easy way to understand . And very intresting history line up .
A good clear voice with no boredom factors ..thanks .
To the man with the CAT..🇬🇧🇺🇸✅
In June 2008, Caterpillar announced it would be exiting the on-highway diesel engine market in the United States before updated 2010 U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) emission standards took effect - NOT 2016. From 2011 - 2016 CAT was selling their CT660 Truck (made by Navistar). They ceased production in 2016. Cat Engines for OTR vehicles such as school buses, RV's, and Semi's ceased to exist in 2010.
The first year's of Cat Truck were International chassis and and cabs.
They were Paystars with a different hood.
Why doesn't anyone ever discuss the CAT 3176? I can't find any info on if they are reliable and what are their weaknesses. I'm not referring to the 3126
I operated every brand out there,had a 560 cat,that was scary,it could really go!but iv drivin Cummins and detroits,that pulled like a bear.rite now I run a3406b 400 hp,not great hp but it's not my trk.
I like to thank you for the updating info-clip and wonder why you haven't mentioned the CAT involvement in Australia or was that just a drop of water on a hot rock - sort of speak?
Was a cat mechanic in 80s and early 90s when the 60 series Detroit came out and I became an owner operator and I'm still running a manual c model in my truck today don't an on giving up on it anytime soon even tho it has millions of miles on it and it's worn out yet again lol
I miss the Cat diesel I have a 1970&1972 Dodge C series medium duty truck single and just aquired the Tandem axle Dodge the Cummins is blown and wanted a Cat as I am in the landscaping business and use my truck what would suggest
I love my C12…but do not enjoy the very top heavy dealer prices which are a reflection of the too many suits sitting in their offices
Thank you very interesting
Is it possible to turn any engine like a Cummins semi engine or a caterpillar engine into a generator to power your house or any building?
Yes, if you match it to the appropriate size generator. But it’d be one fuel guzzling generator
the c32s in my boat have been fantastic
Still running a the original 3406c mechanical in my 92 W900L doing heavy haul. Wouldn’t have anything else.
Great video.
I just picked up a pair of cat construction boots and they are ready good.
Cat exported truck engine till 2017 after leaving american markets, but truck engines was never a huge part of their business
I've driven trucks with all sorts of engines and honestly, I prefer the C15 acert engine. Power delivery is smooth, it doesn't shudder under heavy load and hearing those turbos spool is intoxicating. Even the ARD-head equipped C15s ran hard....when it ran properly of course.
OHH I LOVE THIS ..THANKS ❤
Thank you for following and sharing!
Never had a Cat. But .. the 8.2 Detroit , I took out of a school bus, and put in my dump truck, is pretty amazing. Really slow, but in 10 degree weather, cranks right up, no glow system. Been 20 yrs now, just oil and filters.
That 8.2 is reliable because it can't make enough power to hurt itself!
@@Cougracer67 Yep, got lots of low end torque, but won't win any kind of race.😆
I'll keep my 6NZ in my '03 W900L forever. CAT power all the way ! 1,900,000 miles on her, and she still hauls ass ! They really need to dissolve EPA & cut California off the map completely. These 2 are the main problem causes since 20 yrs. ago. And it's getting worse....