4.9 ltr/100 km is amazing. If you want even better petro saving look at a Camry Hybrid, less functionality. Toyota has been making hybrids for over 20 years. Great detailed comparison !
There are pros and cons for each brand, but in my experience Subaru's simply have a far superior AWD in slippery conditions and Toyota's are more reliable on average. That being said the Forester hybrid price point is too high without meaningful gas savings. I personally own a 2018 legacy and I get 35 mpg on the highway (30 combined) and purchased it with a 10 year extended warranty because of Subaru's reputedly lower reliability. So far, very happy with my choice and price wise a new limited 4 cylinder legacy was lower in price than a fully loaded top of the line Camry. No brainer for me.
I am a Subaru fan, but Subaru really should be ashamed of the poor fuel consumption. It's like they didn't test it before putting it into production. Please send your engineers back to the drawing board. They need to do better.
I think a Subaru Forester diesel would make a good touring vehicle. A couple of 20L jerry cans and you'll have a touring range of well over 1400km. More than enough to get you from Southern Cross WA across Nullabor to Ceduna SA.
its probably bc of their eboxer implementation where it is integrated with the CVT. They can only fit a very small electric engine in there. hopes for the 2nd iteration though.
Pretty true, Honda does have the CRV but it may not be available in Australia. I didn't think it was bad when we test drove it but the GF was not impressed with it.
I get 8l/100k from my standard 2.5l Forester, pointless getting the Hybrid and loosing the space. I hired a RAV4 hybrid in NZ in Feb got 5l/100k, very Impressed with it. I love Subaru but if a bought a hybrid next it would be the RAV4.
On the subaru it actually has a total of 7 usb ports apparently you didn't find the other 4. 2 are in the front center arm rest the other 2 are in the arm rest in the rear. The spare tire is located under the car with a crank to lower it AND it is a FULL SIZE tire NOT a damn donut like in the rav4. Also the hybrid forester uses the 2.5l boxer engine and does NOT offer hybrid in the 2.0 because the 2.0l is the sport turbo cold air induction motor meant for sport models like the wrx. The 2.5l motor produces 232hp and 213ft pnds torque at 4200rpm beating out the rav4 with its 209hp and 195ftpd torque AT 6500RPM. Also 0-60mph is subaru at 4.3sec. Compared to rav4's 4.8sec for 0-60mph! I love how these people also don't mention who's sponsoring the video..,in this case its Toyota and bottom line is this video is a lie!!!! The rav4 is a decent vehicle for the most part but its a shame Toyota has to lie to put their vehicle above what their competition is. The fact is Rav4 has had twice the recalls as the forester and hasn't got equal safety listing as subaru. Toyota has been chasing subaru's tail for the last 7 yrs and obviously will continue to in the forseeable future because they just cannot compete with symetrical all wheel drive!
This generation of RAW 4 is really great. We have done round trip from Seattle to San Francisco drawing 2019 RAW 4 hybrid before coronavirus . Extremely easy to drive. Only a glitch I discovered , - this car fuel tank capacity. It is impossible to fill it full at gas pump, so the range is around 350 miles from the one tank.
Someone commented about how to fix this. Slightly pull the gas nozzle out and slowly add gas until it's full...a bit slower but it apparently will fill it all the way up!
From a pure hybrid perspective yes, the Forester make no sense given your figures, might as well go non-hybrid. With regards to steering controls you judge too quickly; I have an Outback with a similar set-up and it makes complete sense when you use it everyday (I never once had to rely on the manual from new); its even better than a rental F pace I had recently. With regards to the Rav4 it has a knees up seating position in the rear seat which immediately rules it out for me. I actually was cross shopping for SUVs not too long ago, and it included Mazdas, Toyotas, Nissans, Volvos, even Audis and I went with an Outback. Nothing could match it for comfort, front and rear, thought the CVT is a pain the ... it also feels premium which can't say for all vehicles in its segment.
agreed. bought forester in mid 2019 over the rav4, both are ICE. Decisions over the seating position, both front and rear, instrument layout and boot layout are the pivoting reasons I have chosen the former
I’m considering both the eBoxer Forester and the RAV4 hybrid - this review was very helpful. I’m leaning more towards the RAV4 - I like it has the lower fuel consumption while being more powerful.
also pls consider that toyota has been making hybrid for long time now compare to subaru and tell u from my camry hybrid experience this vehicals are very good..
Everything is nice..but..thing also about 4x4..RAV4 Virtual rear axle. Forester Symetrical AWD..🤔What do you thing,how long is possible use 4x4 at RAV 4? OK..RAV4 good technology about hybrid..But! Subaru 4ever..🤣
I own the Toyota GX Hybrid for a year..., whilst fuel econ is good, I've never achieved 4.8L/100L no matter how hard I try "on a return trip". Its possible to get less than 4.8L on a one way trip because there is generally one direction of a trip which is going more downhill. However, with Premium unleaded 98 petrol, I have achieved 5.2L-5.8L/100km in a mix of heavy traffic, straight up traffic jams when travelling to work in Sydney Traffic. When driving in "Sports" mode and trying to use as much petrol as I can, e.g. accelerating off the lights very hard. Then my results are around 6.8L/100km with airconditioning on. The car doesn't do that much better in highway driving versus traffic jams. In traffic jams, you can pretty much use electric only. My worst result of 6.8L/100km does not include accelerating when i see a red light in next 100m, then to deliberately break just in time. So 6.8L/100km is just me not trying to deliberately use the battery.
@@lucabrasi2130 heavy traffic sometimes is better... especially traffic jams. This is because you use the battery only. When batt is low....the engine will recharge it for a few mins. This is most efficient.
Hi Australia, greetings from Cumbria in the UK. Excellent review. It’s always nice to see ‘non biased’ reviews and non ‘top gear’ crap driving. Stay safe everybody, don’t let this bastard Coronavirus get you. When I look for new cars, I have some principle needs; car height (bad back), electric front seat movement, large boot for electric mobility scooter, good standard safety equipment, excellent seat comfort, decent steering wheel movement. And you know what, it is not easy to find a vehicle that has all this.
Here in Europe, Rav4 is considered as a full hybrid. Forester is more like mild hybrid, very mild in fact. I believe Subaru designed this "hybrid" for people who don't want to pay to drive in many paid citi centres around Europe.
Forester hybrid has the worst of most attributes of a SUV: no spare tire, higher price, no power, bad fuel economy. Subaru marketing management did a very poor job of planning it - this combo fits XV but not Forester. The second needs 2.5l engine and stronger electric motor. Subaru already developed the first revision of the two electric motors all-time AWD system. For now, Forester hybrid doesn't make sense.
a Subaru Liberty wagon owner here. as Subaru no longer make wagons, except the Outback, I am looking for a similar sized car to effectively carry the same amount of gear that the Liberty does. after driving a Corolla Hybrid for a day, I came away impressed with the Toyota hybrid system. to be honest, I'd like to go the full EV route, but for the same price as either of these vehicles tested, I'd be getting something half the size, so that option is not open at this time. I was waiting for Subaru to introduce their hybrids to the market and to say I am underwhelmed would be an understatement... and no spare! in this country that should be considered a criminal act. so, at this point in time, the RAV4 GX hybrid is the front runner, if not for the hybrid system, but also more importantly, the space saver can be optioned for a full-sized spare (only available on the GX model). it also runs on 91 RON fuel (as does the Forester), which is also a plus with the difference in prices here of around 20c a litre between 91 and 95, as Euro wagons (you know, a real station wagon) tend to run on 95, again while I'd really like one (damn shame we can't get their hybrids here), the 95 RON requirement kicks them into touch as well. not quite like the tester, I'm over 190cm tall, so that leg and headroom is important.
I recently moved from a gas (petrol) Subaru Outback to a RAV4 XLE hybrid. The car does take some getting used to but I like it so far. I had to make the jump quickly so it nice to see I may have made the right choice.
That Rav4 needs to have happy face and Subaru definitely needs a redesign the front end, specially considering the price brackets. Well presented review though..
Subaru Forester has way better AWD, noticeably better noise insulation, better suspension and control of the vehicle, and more advanced boxer type petrol engine. And those facts alone for lots of men means Subaru Forester is a better SUV car. That said, this new Toyota RAV4 is a very good car and will always have its own lovers.
For a lot of men, power is important. As for the engine, I don't see how the Subaru engine is more advanced than the dual port injection, Atkinson cycle Rav4 engine - maybe you could enlighten me? The Rav4 uses eCVT which uses a planetary gear system rather than a hydraulic/metal chain system (lineartronic). As such, the eCVT is more energy efficient and is considered more reliable in the long term. As for the AWD, I expect in extreme conditions you are correct, however on snow and dirt roads, I have found the Rav4 Hybrid to be remarkably competent. It helps that the rear-axle electric motor has a decent amount of power and a lot of available torque - now if only they'd included an electronic rear-axle lock! Anyhow, unless you go rock hopping, you're unlikely to notice much difference in off-road handling. To be honest I don't own either vehicle - I bought a Rav4 Prime instead. Now that puts both the Forester and the Rav4 Hybrid in the shade. I'm averaging better than 5L/100km which includes more highway driving at 80+ mph than you would expect to see in Australia. Around town I'm getting the equivalent of around 3L/100km (based on the cost of recharging the battery at home). Indeed, except for camping excursions, I can't remember the last time I went to the gas station! But to be honest, what I really like is the power. And the torque. 0 to 100kph in under 6 seconds.
We recently drove a top trim 2021 Rav 4 Hybrid, then a top trim 2019 Forester (Hybrid not available in the US unfortunately). That said almost everything he found to be better in the Rav 4 we disagreed with. The seats were far better in the Subaru, as the Rav 4's were like sitting on a board. The ride was significantly harsher in the Rav 4, and LOUDER oh my gosh If I am paying $40k+ for a car it should not be as loud as a that Rav 4 was on the highway. There was wind noise from the mirror, road noise in the back it was just bad and that's me comparing it to my mustang convertible... Just overall I was really disappointed in the Rav 4 even more so for the money. I am a little Subaru biased having loved and owned two previously, but I was surprised when the GF said she want's to wait till there is a Hybrid SUV Subaru available rather than get a Rav 4. So all of that said, I hope they improve a little on the tech as the Rav 4 definitely wins in the MG battle at the moment and that is the main reason its still in the running. If we could get our hands on a Rav 4 Prime, we would be buying one they cant be found nearby and without huge mark ups though.
Hi we,ve just purchased our new Rav4 Hybrid Cruiser, still on the waiting list for it to come to Australia can't wait, im so looking forward to it. big savings on fuel and servicing, aswel as parts being relatavley cheap too. Great value for money, me personaly not being racist, would say the New Rav4 is not only a Ladys Suv anymore the Gentlemen can have some great fun in it :-)
Why don't they just make an electric car with an electric motor in each wheel, and floor full of batteries (loads of torque and fewer moving parts) And just put a diesel generator in the hood.
@@aussiedeplorable8670 Well, not really. The "guarantee" is that it keeps it's capacities 80% up to 10 years. But with a long list of conditions. And they have a tendency to always find some conditions you did not meet - and then it looses it's validity. Standard procedure nowadays with everything. :-(
There's far to much effort spent here concocting reasons to make both cars seem to be similar. Other reviews are panning the Forester for bad value and horrible fuel consumption, no spare tyre, this review is way too kind, don't want to offend Subaru after-all, might need another car from them in the future :-(
I ordered mine 6 months ago and was supposed to take delivery this week (February 2021) but delayed indefinitely. The Melbourne dealer advised that there's a global parts shortage (notably computer chips) plus the massive global demand and Toyota can't keep up. The dealer advised there's a meeting next week with Toyota Australia to discuss what they're doing about it and firm up new delivery dates.
Personally I much prefer the Subaru's dash to the RAV, however overall the RAV is a much better SUV. I currently own a 2018 XV and whilst it's a great car, the RAV is bigger, better, and more economical. The RAV's reversing camera is pretty ordinary too compared to the one in the Subaru, not sure why Toyota can't improve on this - especially since it's now 2020.
Driving noise info is confusing. He says the Subaru is noisy, when driving it, but when driving the Toyota, says it is noisier, “but not too bad” or words to that effect. So what is the Subaru noisy compared to?? A car in the luxury class??
Hard to find much good to say about the Forester Hybrid. Toyota has been doing hybrid long enough to know how to do it. There will always be folks who want to pay more and get less so the reviewer had to find a good point or two for the Subaru. Good luck I say to them....
My forester hybrid does well on the beach pulling a loaded trailer at low speed. But pulling a trailer (800 kg all in) up hill on the motorway the car lacks power. Doing 60 km/h full power with trucks passing and hooting is not a nice feeling. With a trailer I drive the car in manual mode as on auto she revs up to 5600rpm, no one can rest due to the noise. In manual the revs 3000 and 2 gears higher. I feel there is s software problem in the gearbox. I will sell my forester and look for an awd with more torque!!!
People talk about hybrids in terms of fuel economy, but the CVT sometimes cuts out under offroad conditions. Is it possible that the electric motor does the standing start in offroad conditions and hands over to the CVT at higher speeds? If that is true then the fuel economy is irrelevant and explains why the Forrester has an underwhealming battery. Alternatively, the Corolla uses an automatic first gear before handing over to the CVT, so the electric motor might just be like a first gear? I admit I know nothing and I’m probably wrong. I own a 2018 XV with CVT which cut out once when offroad, not sure why except to protect it, I would like to replicate the condition to determine if driver technique can overcome this condition.
Then you'll find your Rav4 having to be pulled out by the subaru when you get stuck. Why do you think this video DOESN'T compare offroad abilities? Because everyone know Subaru is the king of all wheel drive!! Don't believe me see for yourself look up Subaru has to pull out Rav4 from stuck in snow during review. There are several videos of this and Toyota is so embarassed by it that none of their review comparisons EVER show the Rav4 taking on subaru in offroad scenarios!
@@seanyoung8355 You must have misunderstood something. I actually HAVE a Subaru Forester, and I am very pleased of it. While I don't deny Toyotas usually good qualities.
@@luisfh5975 And where is the snow and ice? Never mind. At the test of the Subaru in the sand, the driver obviously don't want to take up the hill, he presses the BREAK instead of the throttle. You can see how the front left wheel PUSHES the dust upward at the first attempt, and then its trace is visible all the time after. Whata-mistake-to-maka....
Where can you buy a new Rav4 Hybrid starting from $35 490? The lowest I can get is from $46 000! Even the base Rav 4 non-hybrid starts from $36 000. What's happening?!
It’s really an incomplete review without mentioning that virtually all 2019 and 2020 RAV4 Hybrid models, which claim to have a 14.5 gallon gas tank, have a serious design flaw which shorts the tank at least 1-2 gallons. In some serious cases, such as my 2019 model, only 3-5 gallons can go in at a fill up. And it does NOT get 40 mpg - Mine claims that, but has never gotten better than 26, and Toyota’s response to that is it is operating “normally.” Since I have a 200-275 mile commute each day, that means I have to fill up the tank at least once or twice a day. Toyota has known about the problem for at least 8 months, yet is still selling the vehicles without disclosing this flaw. There is still no fix and none on the horizon. In meantime, if you request a buyback as I did, with my new vehicle now in the shop unfixable for 6 continuous months, Toyota will inform you that no fix or buyback is available. Buyer beware. In my case, I’ve had to hire a lawyer and file suit. I’ve bought three Toyotas in the last 30 years - they’ve lost a lifelong customer.
I'm not sure if in Australia we get a different fuel tank or our petrol station pump nozzles are different but I have no problem filling my 2019 RAV4 in Australia,
I've heard that if you slightly pull out the nozzle and slowly add the remaining gas, it will fill the tank up to full! Takes a little longer but it apparently works.
Karl Norman Mordeno I guess in the end we decided to go for a slightly more lux car, bit bigger, and just a more fun car to drive. We feel that the value is there for what you get but obviously extremely subjective. I wouldn’t mind getting the klugar hybrid but the new one wasn’t here yet.
Although toyota wins for hybrid cars it certainly falls short when it comes down to safety in comparison to the Subaru which has one of best industry leading awd powertrains not to mention their eyesight system which is standard across all their models since 2014. Do your research guys.
An addition to the comparing: teknikensvarld.se/test-provkorningar/test/toyota-rav4-laddhybrid-farlig-i-algtestet/?referrer=exp-rotator-item-1 Yes, I know that most of you don't understand the language, but you understand the IMAGE?
This hybrid Forester uses more fuel per 100km than the non-hybrid, as tested by you guys (non hybrid 7.4L, this hybrid 7.8L). Probably because it's not only heavier, but because the hybrid is so small, relies on the smaller base motor more and has to thrash more to get going. Combined with the lack of spare tyre and the fact you have to pay more for the lower fuel consumption (not to mention the long term costs you might get from batteries down the line), you'd be an idiot to buy one. It's all negative with no positive. It basically has zero appeal to anyone.
Not to mention that the regular fuel consumption of a non hybrid Rav4 is about the same than the hybrid Forester, and if keeping the planet safe is a concern, the CO2 emissions in the regular Rav4 are also lower than the forester.
The Toyota has one hudge drawback it is not built for full size people. I am 6 3 and cannot drive the Toyota because there is not nearly enough head room for me to sit up. So if you are a full size person there is no choice you have to go with the forester.
Subaru is having a lend of us surely? 12.3 kW isn't going to do anything worth talking about either for power or for regen ... hence the poor fuel consumption
Forester panel has that "I'll blind 'em with science" look. Looks a tad 'dorky' . RAV4 has that 'gravitas' to impress mums (& dads) esp at sport and schools. The real truth is that while I like Subeys, Toyo's mojo has been revived (of late). [Melb Aussie]
The RAV4 in Cruiser grade has the choice of black or nutmeg leather-accented seat trim, while if you want a non-hybrid RAV4 the Edge has the choice of orchid brown and light grey softex (fake leather) with orange accents, or black with orange accents. Same with Forester. Buy the Sport grade and you get a grey/black trim combo with orange highlights. But not available in the hybrid. Watch our 2021 Hyundai Tucson review - that top-spec variant has the choice of grey, brown or black leather, and if you option the N Line pack you get black/grey leather/suede combo. Thanks!
Can see no reason to buy either car based upon so called electric capabilities. Forrester no spare tyre (a must for Australia) and RAV4 (space saver spare). Neither of these cars would be capable of taking off-road with those specifications.
I had the Toyota hybrid beginning of this year. Love the car no problem at all.
Had ?
4.9 ltr/100 km is amazing. If you want even better petro saving look at a Camry Hybrid, less functionality. Toyota has been making hybrids for over 20 years. Great detailed comparison !
There are pros and cons for each brand, but in my experience Subaru's simply have a far superior AWD in slippery conditions and Toyota's are more reliable on average. That being said the Forester hybrid price point is too high without meaningful gas savings. I personally own a 2018 legacy and I get 35 mpg on the highway (30 combined) and purchased it with a 10 year extended warranty because of Subaru's reputedly lower reliability. So far, very happy with my choice and price wise a new limited 4 cylinder legacy was lower in price than a fully loaded top of the line Camry. No brainer for me.
Totally agree. RAVH 4 every time. And in 5 years when you trade it you will get much more return.
I am a Subaru fan, but Subaru really should be ashamed of the poor fuel consumption. It's like they didn't test it before putting it into production. Please send your engineers back to the drawing board. They need to do better.
Toyota owns Subaru
@@professorgimsara2180 No, they own ~20% shares of it. They are partners.
I think a Subaru Forester diesel would make a good touring vehicle. A couple of 20L jerry cans and you'll have a touring range of well over 1400km. More than enough to get you from Southern Cross WA across Nullabor to Ceduna SA.
its probably bc of their eboxer implementation where it is integrated with the CVT. They can only fit a very small electric engine in there. hopes for the 2nd iteration though.
The Toyota comes with a space saver wheel, but enough space for a full-size, if you want to upgrade.
I'm definitely buying one of those rav4 in the new year, better than a Q7 but hybrid and less than half the price
Purchased a Rav4 hybrid today so very pleased with your assessment.
If you want a hybrid SUV, the only choice is Toyota. When Toyota releases the hybrid Kluger (Highlander) in Australia it will also have waiting lists.
Pretty true, Honda does have the CRV but it may not be available in Australia. I didn't think it was bad when we test drove it but the GF was not impressed with it.
I get 8l/100k from my standard 2.5l Forester, pointless getting the Hybrid and loosing the space. I hired a RAV4 hybrid in NZ in Feb got 5l/100k, very Impressed with it. I love Subaru but if a bought a hybrid next it would be the RAV4.
On the subaru it actually has a total of 7 usb ports apparently you didn't find the other 4. 2 are in the front center arm rest the other 2 are in the arm rest in the rear. The spare tire is located under the car with a crank to lower it AND it is a FULL SIZE tire NOT a damn donut like in the rav4. Also the hybrid forester uses the 2.5l boxer engine and does NOT offer hybrid in the 2.0 because the 2.0l is the sport turbo cold air induction motor meant for sport models like the wrx. The 2.5l motor produces 232hp and 213ft pnds torque at 4200rpm beating out the rav4 with its 209hp and 195ftpd torque AT 6500RPM. Also 0-60mph is subaru at 4.3sec. Compared to rav4's 4.8sec for 0-60mph! I love how these people also don't mention who's sponsoring the video..,in this case its Toyota and bottom line is this video is a lie!!!! The rav4 is a decent vehicle for the most part but its a shame Toyota has to lie to put their vehicle above what their competition is. The fact is Rav4 has had twice the recalls as the forester and hasn't got equal safety listing as subaru. Toyota has been chasing subaru's tail for the last 7 yrs and obviously will continue to in the forseeable future because they just cannot compete with symetrical all wheel drive!
Waited six months for my Cruiser Hybrid and it was well worth it, a great car and lovely to drive.
still going strong?
i think subaru should have used the toyota hybrid technology , toyota already owns a part of subaru
Matt, I really like your reviews. With this one was not an exception.
Congrats
This generation of RAW 4 is really great.
We have done round trip from Seattle to San Francisco drawing 2019 RAW 4 hybrid before coronavirus .
Extremely easy to drive. Only a glitch I discovered , - this car fuel tank capacity. It is impossible to fill it full at gas pump, so the range is around 350 miles from the one tank.
Someone commented about how to fix this. Slightly pull the gas nozzle out and slowly add gas until it's full...a bit slower but it apparently will fill it all the way up!
From a pure hybrid perspective yes, the Forester make no sense given your figures, might as well go non-hybrid. With regards to steering controls you judge too quickly; I have an Outback with a similar set-up and it makes complete sense when you use it everyday (I never once had to rely on the manual from new); its even better than a rental F pace I had recently. With regards to the Rav4 it has a knees up seating position in the rear seat which immediately rules it out for me. I actually was cross shopping for SUVs not too long ago, and it included Mazdas, Toyotas, Nissans, Volvos, even Audis and I went with an Outback. Nothing could match it for comfort, front and rear, thought the CVT is a pain the ... it also feels premium which can't say for all vehicles in its segment.
andred gb You sit in the back of your car often?
agreed. bought forester in mid 2019 over the rav4, both are ICE. Decisions over the seating position, both front and rear, instrument layout and boot layout are the pivoting reasons I have chosen the former
@@afcgeo882 carry adult passengers sufficiently frequently that it matters
a decent review, good job.
I’m considering both the eBoxer Forester and the RAV4 hybrid - this review was very helpful. I’m leaning more towards the RAV4 - I like it has the lower fuel consumption while being more powerful.
also pls consider that toyota has been making hybrid for long time now compare to subaru and tell u from my camry hybrid experience this vehicals are very good..
Everything is nice..but..thing also about 4x4..RAV4 Virtual rear axle. Forester Symetrical AWD..🤔What do you thing,how long is possible use 4x4 at RAV 4? OK..RAV4 good technology about hybrid..But! Subaru 4ever..🤣
Don’t forget the back seats recline in the Forester!
as they do in the rav4...
4.9 per 100 for a medium sized SUV is darn impressive! Well done Toyota!
I own the Toyota GX Hybrid for a year..., whilst fuel econ is good, I've never achieved 4.8L/100L no matter how hard I try "on a return trip". Its possible to get less than 4.8L on a one way trip because there is generally one direction of a trip which is going more downhill. However, with Premium unleaded 98 petrol, I have achieved 5.2L-5.8L/100km in a mix of heavy traffic, straight up traffic jams when travelling to work in Sydney Traffic. When driving in "Sports" mode and trying to use as much petrol as I can, e.g. accelerating off the lights very hard. Then my results are around 6.8L/100km with airconditioning on. The car doesn't do that much better in highway driving versus traffic jams. In traffic jams, you can pretty much use electric only. My worst result of 6.8L/100km does not include accelerating when i see a red light in next 100m, then to deliberately break just in time. So 6.8L/100km is just me not trying to deliberately use the battery.
@@martintsang1662 very interesting with detail explanation keep it going. Can you do a video test and upload
@@lucabrasi2130 I don't do UA-cam vids...but reading my comment from the past. It still stands
@@martintsang1662 full tank of gas in heavy traffic. Will this last two weeks?
@@lucabrasi2130 heavy traffic sometimes is better... especially traffic jams. This is because you use the battery only. When batt is low....the engine will recharge it for a few mins. This is most efficient.
Hi Australia, greetings from Cumbria in the UK.
Excellent review. It’s always nice to see ‘non biased’ reviews and non ‘top gear’ crap driving.
Stay safe everybody, don’t let this bastard Coronavirus get you.
When I look for new cars, I have some principle needs; car height (bad back), electric front seat movement, large boot for electric mobility scooter, good standard safety equipment, excellent seat comfort, decent steering wheel movement. And you know what, it is not easy to find a vehicle that has all this.
Having a spare tire is good, but some people would still call roadside assist anyways.
Roadside assist will still need a tyre to fit. If the flat tyre is wrecked then it is more likely you are waiting for a flat bed tow truck.
You'll be waiting a while for road assist if you get a flat tyre on The Great Central Road.......
Here in Europe, Rav4 is considered as a full hybrid. Forester is more like mild hybrid, very mild in fact. I believe Subaru designed this "hybrid" for people who don't want to pay to drive in many paid citi centres around Europe.
Probably so.
Forester hybrid has the worst of most attributes of a SUV: no spare tire, higher price, no power, bad fuel economy.
Subaru marketing management did a very poor job of planning it - this combo fits XV but not Forester. The second needs 2.5l engine and stronger electric motor.
Subaru already developed the first revision of the two electric motors all-time AWD system. For now, Forester hybrid doesn't make sense.
The kicker is that the hybrid Forester uses more fuel in real world use than the non-hybrid. None of it makes sense!
Hybrid SUVs - Hey Subaru, YOU'RE DOIN' IT WRONG.
2020 RAV4 Hybrid definitely wins, I would definitely take a RAV4 Limited or XSE or the Forester.
The US version of the Forester has a 8 inches infotainment system as an option. I have a 2019 Sport version, and I am very happy with it.
Yes and yes 👍👍
I have the RAVC4 CRUISER and it's fantastic to drive, and it's smooth
a Subaru Liberty wagon owner here. as Subaru no longer make wagons, except the Outback, I am looking for a similar sized car to effectively carry the same amount of gear that the Liberty does. after driving a Corolla Hybrid for a day, I came away impressed with the Toyota hybrid system. to be honest, I'd like to go the full EV route, but for the same price as either of these vehicles tested, I'd be getting something half the size, so that option is not open at this time. I was waiting for Subaru to introduce their hybrids to the market and to say I am underwhelmed would be an understatement... and no spare! in this country that should be considered a criminal act. so, at this point in time, the RAV4 GX hybrid is the front runner, if not for the hybrid system, but also more importantly, the space saver can be optioned for a full-sized spare (only available on the GX model). it also runs on 91 RON fuel (as does the Forester), which is also a plus with the difference in prices here of around 20c a litre between 91 and 95, as Euro wagons (you know, a real station wagon) tend to run on 95, again while I'd really like one (damn shame we can't get their hybrids here), the 95 RON requirement kicks them into touch as well. not quite like the tester, I'm over 190cm tall, so that leg and headroom is important.
Great review!👍
Thorough and clear .... like the format and presentation
I recently moved from a gas (petrol) Subaru Outback to a RAV4 XLE hybrid. The car does take some getting used to but I like it so far. I had to make the jump quickly so it nice to see I may have made the right choice.
Are you able to tow with these vehichles?
That Rav4 needs to have happy face and Subaru definitely needs a redesign the front end, specially considering the price brackets. Well presented review though..
I want a full spare wheel for off road driving.
NO WHEEL, NO DEAL.
Subaru Forester has way better AWD, noticeably better noise insulation, better suspension and control of the vehicle, and more advanced boxer type petrol engine. And those facts alone for lots of men means Subaru Forester is a better SUV car. That said, this new Toyota RAV4 is a very good car and will always have its own lovers.
For a lot of men, power is important. As for the engine, I don't see how the Subaru engine is more advanced than the dual port injection, Atkinson cycle Rav4 engine - maybe you could enlighten me? The Rav4 uses eCVT which uses a planetary gear system rather than a hydraulic/metal chain system (lineartronic). As such, the eCVT is more energy efficient and is considered more reliable in the long term. As for the AWD, I expect in extreme conditions you are correct, however on snow and dirt roads, I have found the Rav4 Hybrid to be remarkably competent. It helps that the rear-axle electric motor has a decent amount of power and a lot of available torque - now if only they'd included an electronic rear-axle lock! Anyhow, unless you go rock hopping, you're unlikely to notice much difference in off-road handling. To be honest I don't own either vehicle - I bought a Rav4 Prime instead. Now that puts both the Forester and the Rav4 Hybrid in the shade. I'm averaging better than 5L/100km which includes more highway driving at 80+ mph than you would expect to see in Australia. Around town I'm getting the equivalent of around 3L/100km (based on the cost of recharging the battery at home). Indeed, except for camping excursions, I can't remember the last time I went to the gas station! But to be honest, what I really like is the power. And the torque. 0 to 100kph in under 6 seconds.
Good Toyota, i guess they learnt a lot from the prius.
And now there's the RAV4 Prime to consider.
Not going to be released in Australia unfortunately.
Currently own a petrol Subaru Forrester but will go for the RAV4 as Subaru are too late to the party, ordered for delivery in late December
We recently drove a top trim 2021 Rav 4 Hybrid, then a top trim 2019 Forester (Hybrid not available in the US unfortunately). That said almost everything he found to be better in the Rav 4 we disagreed with. The seats were far better in the Subaru, as the Rav 4's were like sitting on a board. The ride was significantly harsher in the Rav 4, and LOUDER oh my gosh If I am paying $40k+ for a car it should not be as loud as a that Rav 4 was on the highway. There was wind noise from the mirror, road noise in the back it was just bad and that's me comparing it to my mustang convertible... Just overall I was really disappointed in the Rav 4 even more so for the money. I am a little Subaru biased having loved and owned two previously, but I was surprised when the GF said she want's to wait till there is a Hybrid SUV Subaru available rather than get a Rav 4. So all of that said, I hope they improve a little on the tech as the Rav 4 definitely wins in the MG battle at the moment and that is the main reason its still in the running. If we could get our hands on a Rav 4 Prime, we would be buying one they cant be found nearby and without huge mark ups though.
lamo the rav4 is a much better car overall
You forgot to mention the Subaru has reclining rear seats to make the angle more comfortable for longer trips.
as does the rav4...
Hi we,ve just purchased our new Rav4 Hybrid Cruiser, still on the waiting list for it to come to Australia can't wait, im so looking forward to it. big savings on fuel and servicing, aswel as parts being relatavley cheap too. Great value for money, me personaly not being racist, would say the New Rav4 is not only a Ladys Suv anymore the Gentlemen can have some great fun in it :-)
How about driving them in snow and see which one is better?
No snow here in Australia, so can't do that.
Why don't they just make an electric car with an electric motor in each wheel, and floor full of batteries (loads of torque and fewer moving parts)
And just put a diesel generator in the hood.
Price - batteries are really expensive. The RAV4 Hybrid has an 18kWh battery, while full electric cars these days have over 60.
Well, makes sense right? Toyota has been making hybrids for longer. I have Prius but may move to Rav soon. Thanks for a helpful review.
I'll go for the Rav 4
How much will it cost to replace the battery in the Rav 4 ? & how long does it last?
The battery is guaranteed for ten years
I wouldn’t worry about the battery Toyota Hybrids have a reputation for being extremely reliable.
a Prius battery (half the size) goes for around 6-7k, this one in today's prices would cost above 10k to replace.
Crazy Tachikoma In Australia in the 20 years of Toyota offering hybrids only about a dozen batteries have been replaced
@@aussiedeplorable8670 Well, not really. The "guarantee" is that it keeps it's capacities 80% up to 10 years. But with a long list of conditions. And they have a tendency to always find some conditions you did not meet - and then it looses it's validity. Standard procedure nowadays with everything. :-(
Rav4 is the top for me!
what can the forester vs rav4 tow
There's far to much effort spent here concocting reasons to make both cars seem to be similar. Other reviews are panning the Forester for bad value and horrible fuel consumption, no spare tyre, this review is way too kind, don't want to offend Subaru after-all, might need another car from them in the future :-(
Its all down to whether you prefer the sound of the boxer engine or not.
Rav4 all day!
Only good thing about the subaru is off road performance and full time awd
I ordered mine 6 months ago and was supposed to take delivery this week (February 2021) but delayed indefinitely. The Melbourne dealer advised that there's a global parts shortage (notably computer chips) plus the massive global demand and Toyota can't keep up. The dealer advised there's a meeting next week with Toyota Australia to discuss what they're doing about it and firm up new delivery dates.
WHAT KIND OF RAV4 U ORDER MATE AND HOW MUCH IS GONNA COST U OVER ALL
@@mustafacabdule9872 ordered the GX hybrid for $39K
Good review and no doubt the RAV4 is an amazing car!
Nicely done
No off road comparison? Shame.
Personally I much prefer the Subaru's dash to the RAV, however overall the RAV is a much better SUV. I currently own a 2018 XV and whilst it's a great car, the RAV is bigger, better, and more economical. The RAV's reversing camera is pretty ordinary too compared to the one in the Subaru, not sure why Toyota can't improve on this - especially since it's now 2020.
Toyota is a king off hybrid Technology ,,
Both are listed as compact SUVs in the US and why would Subaru not sell the hybrid forester in North America?
Driving noise info is confusing. He says the Subaru is noisy, when driving it, but when driving the Toyota, says it is noisier, “but not too bad” or words to that effect. So what is the Subaru noisy compared to?? A car in the luxury class??
Hard to find much good to say about the Forester Hybrid. Toyota has been doing hybrid long enough to know how to do it. There will always be folks who want to pay more and get less so the reviewer had to find a good point or two for the Subaru. Good luck I say to them....
That settles it, I am buying the Subaru!!
My forester hybrid does well on the beach pulling a loaded trailer at low speed. But pulling a trailer (800 kg all in) up hill on the motorway the car lacks power. Doing 60 km/h full power with trucks passing and hooting is not a nice feeling. With a trailer I drive the car in manual mode as on auto she revs up to 5600rpm, no one can rest due to the noise. In manual the revs 3000 and 2 gears higher. I feel there is s software problem in the gearbox. I will sell my forester and look for an awd with more torque!!!
People talk about hybrids in terms of fuel economy, but the CVT sometimes cuts out under offroad conditions. Is it possible that the electric motor does the standing start in offroad conditions and hands over to the CVT at higher speeds? If that is true then the fuel economy is irrelevant and explains why the Forrester has an underwhealming battery. Alternatively, the Corolla uses an automatic first gear before handing over to the CVT, so the electric motor might just be like a first gear?
I admit I know nothing and I’m probably wrong. I own a 2018 XV with CVT which cut out once when offroad, not sure why except to protect it, I would like to replicate the condition to determine if driver technique can overcome this condition.
I'd just love to see them in a half a meter deep snow and some ice under... :-)
Then you'll find your Rav4 having to be pulled out by the subaru when you get stuck. Why do you think this video DOESN'T compare offroad abilities? Because everyone know Subaru is the king of all wheel drive!! Don't believe me see for yourself look up Subaru has to pull out Rav4 from stuck in snow during review. There are several videos of this and Toyota is so embarassed by it that none of their review comparisons EVER show the Rav4 taking on subaru in offroad scenarios!
@@seanyoung8355 You must have misunderstood something. I actually HAVE a Subaru Forester, and I am very pleased of it.
While I don't deny Toyotas usually good qualities.
@@seanyoung8355 ua-cam.com/video/OdbS-1eltDc/v-deo.html
Off-road test ofrecer they both. ua-cam.com/video/OdbS-1eltDc/v-deo.html
@@luisfh5975 And where is the snow and ice? Never mind.
At the test of the Subaru in the sand, the driver obviously don't want to take up the hill, he presses the BREAK instead of the throttle. You can see how the front left wheel PUSHES the dust upward at the first attempt, and then its trace is visible all the time after. Whata-mistake-to-maka....
Where can you buy a new Rav4 Hybrid starting from $35 490? The lowest I can get is from $46 000! Even the base Rav 4 non-hybrid starts from $36 000. What's happening?!
Nanut Madalin this doesn’t include on road costs, although the prices you are quoting still seem high. I was quoted a GXL 2WD Hybrid 44000 today.
I don't mean to alarm you but the steering wheels on the wrong side
what about offroad
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NB Subaru. No spare wheel = no purchase.
It’s really an incomplete review without mentioning that virtually all 2019 and 2020 RAV4 Hybrid models, which claim to have a 14.5 gallon gas tank, have a serious design flaw which shorts the tank at least 1-2 gallons. In some serious cases, such as my 2019 model, only 3-5 gallons can go in at a fill up. And it does NOT get 40 mpg - Mine claims that, but has never gotten better than 26, and Toyota’s response to that is it is operating “normally.” Since I have a 200-275 mile commute each day, that means I have to fill up the tank at least once or twice a day. Toyota has known about the problem for at least 8 months, yet is still selling the vehicles without disclosing this flaw. There is still no fix and none on the horizon. In meantime, if you request a buyback as I did, with my new vehicle now in the shop unfixable for 6 continuous months, Toyota will inform you that no fix or buyback is available. Buyer beware. In my case, I’ve had to hire a lawyer and file suit. I’ve bought three Toyotas in the last 30 years - they’ve lost a lifelong customer.
I'm not sure if in Australia we get a different fuel tank or our petrol station pump nozzles are different but I have no problem filling my 2019 RAV4 in Australia,
Tom de Jongh Glad to hear it. In U.S. there are multiple class action lawsuits regarding it.
No problem filling my 2020 model here in Brisbane. Fuel pointer showed way past full when finished.
I am averaging 5.5 litres per 100kms at the moment which is 42.7 mpg
I've heard that if you slightly pull out the nozzle and slowly add the remaining gas, it will fill the tank up to full! Takes a little longer but it apparently works.
Interesting because of fuel consumption. In the other hand 400 ppm of CO2 average concentration causes no global warming.
unless you live in the inner suburbs i could not justify any car without a proper spare tyre. no spare tyre wtf
You can fit a full size spare into the Toyota
@@aussiedeplorable8670 At extra cost
@@petron1954 Natch.
tbh. there shouldn't be a comparison because the Forester is just a half assed attempt at a hybrid
You could not whisk an egg with the Toyota electric motor!
First! I nearly got a RAV4 hybrid. Ended up getting a Skoda Kodiaq lol
what made you change your mind?
Karl Norman Mordeno I guess in the end we decided to go for a slightly more lux car, bit bigger, and just a more fun car to drive. We feel that the value is there for what you get but obviously extremely subjective. I wouldn’t mind getting the klugar hybrid but the new one wasn’t here yet.
@@kelvpoon The words "SKODA" and "luxury" should never be used together in a sentence.
@@eaglen00b why?
eaglen00b key work is. “More”. It’s not a luxury car. But it’s more than a Toyota, for me.
Although toyota wins for hybrid cars it certainly falls short when it comes down to safety in comparison to the Subaru which has one of best industry leading awd powertrains not to mention their eyesight system which is standard across all their models since 2014. Do your research guys.
rajaindo kru yeah the video is for hybrid shoppers and the Subaru is the bad choice to say the least
CRV hybrid next.. closer "fight"
I agree 👍.
Rav4 look so much better too
An addition to the comparing:
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Yes, I know that most of you don't understand the language, but you understand the IMAGE?
The RAV4 is the true hybrid here. No go Subaru.👎🏼
¡Yes!🙂
The Rav4 doesn’t have a CVT transmission. It has an eCVT transmission, which works completely differently than a CVT.
This hybrid Forester uses more fuel per 100km than the non-hybrid, as tested by you guys (non hybrid 7.4L, this hybrid 7.8L). Probably because it's not only heavier, but because the hybrid is so small, relies on the smaller base motor more and has to thrash more to get going. Combined with the lack of spare tyre and the fact you have to pay more for the lower fuel consumption (not to mention the long term costs you might get from batteries down the line), you'd be an idiot to buy one. It's all negative with no positive. It basically has zero appeal to anyone.
Not to mention that the regular fuel consumption of a non hybrid Rav4 is about the same than the hybrid Forester, and if keeping the planet safe is a concern, the CO2 emissions in the regular Rav4 are also lower than the forester.
The Toyota has one hudge drawback it is not built for full size people. I am 6 3 and cannot drive the Toyota because there is not nearly enough head room for me to sit up. So if you are a full size person there is no choice you have to go with the forester.
Hmm...we just ordered one and my husband is 6 foot...the guy in the video must be really short because he's got a lot of head room! lol
Subaru seems over overengineered. As far as the cabin goes, this style was the thing 10 years ago, but not anymore.
Screw carbon impact where’s the Mazda CX-5 and its 2.5l turbo, fun handling and luxury interior.
7homas yeah nah
I'd just wait for the next Forrester. The interior of the RAV-4 is amazing but that exterior has, "kid" written all over it. No thanks.
The Subaru is abit high on consumption and maintaining.
since when did subaru make a hybrid
both great, reliable vehicles, but Toyota out shines with the hybrids........2 cents
How much is petrol nowadays?? Cheap right!!! I don't mind fuel consumption nowadays!! By the way i own 2020 forester eboxer.
Subaru is having a lend of us surely? 12.3 kW isn't going to do anything worth talking about either for power or for regen ... hence the poor fuel consumption
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Oooooohhh I like the Boookay
182 cm is how many feet/inches?
6ft
16 Stonkles and 5 Splinks.
Forester panel has that "I'll blind 'em with science" look. Looks a tad 'dorky' . RAV4 has that 'gravitas' to impress mums (& dads) esp at sport and schools. The real truth is that while I like Subeys, Toyo's mojo has been revived (of late). [Melb Aussie]
Why is there never a choice on interior detailing they all seem to be boring black these days in Au anyway
The RAV4 in Cruiser grade has the choice of black or nutmeg leather-accented seat trim, while if you want a non-hybrid RAV4 the Edge has the choice of orchid brown and light grey softex (fake leather) with orange accents, or black with orange accents.
Same with Forester. Buy the Sport grade and you get a grey/black trim combo with orange highlights. But not available in the hybrid.
Watch our 2021 Hyundai Tucson review - that top-spec variant has the choice of grey, brown or black leather, and if you option the N Line pack you get black/grey leather/suede combo.
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When the electric motor goes your wallet will not stand a chance
Can see no reason to buy either car based upon so called electric capabilities. Forrester no spare tyre (a must for Australia) and RAV4 (space saver spare). Neither of these cars would be capable of taking off-road with those specifications.
Buy 4wd then idiot
Subaru Forester must win
Its a shame about the Rav4's looks though.