That was my favorite project episode ever. Clear panic turn gas lighting and bullying an 88 year old man followed by a bucket of self righteousness. Kamahl deserves am apology.
Kamahl deserves an apology from the Project. The panel was condescending towards him. Hamish should also correct his “fact check” … the $4.5B NIAA spend Hamish quoted is only part of the $40B figure Kamahl quoted. Kamahl was correct.
Yeah Peta Credlin fact checked the fact checker at the Project using Federal Government figures and found them as expected to be wrong and Kamahl was right. It's $40B a year
I don’t normally watch this show but I’m going to now. They are actually correct with what they are saying. The figures are also correct. Do the math yourself. The First Nations Peoples get less than half per head than the rest of us. You have to take out all the infrastructure that all Australians are privileged with. Health services, roads,police, electricity,water,education etc. etc.
many have changed their minds one way or the other, as long as people are voting for individual understanding and not for the political party they follow.
shame on the project. they planned to promote a Yes supporter but because Khamal supports the No they try to discredit him. labelling him in this youtube name as "backflipping again" and during the interview changing their script trying to poke holes in everything he said. They all really exposed their unprofessional unjournalistic bias. particularly about the 40 billion dollars. telling Khamal he is wrong and comparing it to the 4 million allocated through one particular funding entity whereas Khamal was talking about the entire allocation to all aboriginal organisations. And they knew this.... seriously, does anyone think only 4 million is disbursed overall? But the project claimed this to discredit Khamal. Really disgraceful.
Your in the WRONG country for that kind of radical thinking.... every citizen treated equally by the government regardless of race or culture or heritage?? pppfftttt Hahahaha... and just imagine - No indigenous minority relentlessly holding the country to ransom over the past and sucking taxpayers dry for all its worth while never being satisfied like a giant 'Tiddalik'? NEVER going to happen.
*"the voice" is divisive (it is a form of communism to use propaganda to divide people into classes)* *"the voice" is an echo chamber shutting down democracy & free speech of those who don't agree with it* *"the voice" will open the door to affirmative action (eg employment opportunities skin colour over talent)* *"the voice" = tojan horse for litigation(land tax to 4% of the population most who don't live off the land)* *"the voice" is a false premise based on false hope, using emotive falsehoods to promote a hidden agenda* (i.e no detail until after the referendum)
4.5 Billion? Absolute rubbish. The NIAA alone has an annual budget of $3.4 Billion. That is 1 advisory body. There are 243 Native Title Bodies, 48 Land Councils, 35 Regional Councils. 122+ Aboriginal Agencies, 3 Advisory bodies, 145 Health organisations. The annual budget for all of these exceeds $30 Billion per annum. Get your bloody facts right!
good on you chris, another straight shooter that isn't afraid to put their real name (I'm assuming) to their comments. and shame on hamish for doing that to kamahl
The project team purposeful tried to discredit him by only naming the expenditure of one Indigenous organisation, when they know there are hundreds of them.
@@HGCUPCAKESYeah we talking the big increases of excess deaths as a whole like in countries such as Australia, America, Canada, UK. It's wild that no one wants to discuss why so many more people are dying when they shouldn't be. Like what's the causation? Do we just all now have faulty batteries installed these days?
I loved the backflip, the shock on the presenter’s faces and the fact he called a spade a spade. They had to finish the segment fast once they realised their Yes discussion was in fact a debate on No. The look on their faces and Kamahl’s facts were correct. $40 billion has been spent and we should be doing what Jacinta has stated and auditing where and how the money has been spent. Every Australian deserves to be supported and that is equal. Let’s ensure the Aboriginal support is handled properly with the democratic system we have in place.
he said because it brings race into decision making. it's discriminative policy. it's saying one race has more rights than others. what next ? @@traceyholt8223
8:52 "It's not our job to persuade people" LMAO - that's exactly what that woman was doing while she was shrieking over the top of Kamahl as he was trying to clarify his point after getting cut off. Man, these hosts are insufferable. Also the $40 billion claim is CORRECT. That's the combined annual figure of all government allocation to all aboriginal organisations.
It's not. It's the total figure spent on indigenous people in Australia...which includes the same hospitals, school and roads we all use. It also includes around $6bn of funds which ARE specific to indigenous people.
Have a look at the the annual operating budget of the NIAA which is openly available online, and they are one of the many agencies for Indigenous people.
Was it 4 billion, 6 billion or 40 billion? It's important not to be distracted by the numbers, as massive as they may be.. The important thing to realise is that this mechanism to give support directly to the indigenous already exists and we don't need another one. If 4 billion isn't enough, make it 6. If 6 isn't enough, make it 10. We don't need a voice to do that. And if there's no more money to give, then how would a voice change that?
Approx $30-40billion a year is spent on Indigenous Affairs is the total amount spent by multiple Indigenous organisations funded by the government. The 4.5bill mentioned by the project host is the budget of just one of the Indigenous organisations. The project team had an opportunity to clarify this but obviously didn't seem interested.
I have to say I laughed so hard when Kamahl announced his backflip live on air. Clearly they thought he was in the bag and after building the man up they then did there best to tear him down. By the way the productivity commission reported 30 billion was spent on indigenous affairs in 2017 which has risen to at least 35 billion now so he wasn’t that far wrong about the spend. The point was made that not all of this was direct payments but the if the productivity commission say that 35 billion is spent on indigenous affairs then that’s a fair statement for him to make and old mate on the panel should be ashamed of fact checking without the facts.
The $40 billion figure he was referring to was the budget allocation for the Closing the Gap program. There is $40 billion exclusively allocated to helping improve their health/education/employment outcomes etc.
*"the voice" is divisive (it is a form of communism to use propaganda to divide people into classes)* *"the voice" is an echo chamber shutting down democracy & free speech of those who don't agree with it* *"the voice" will open the door to affirmative action (eg employment opportunities skin colour over talent)* *"the voice" = tojan horse for litigation(land tax to 4% of the population most who don't live off the land)* *"the voice" is a false premise based on false hope, using emotive falsehoods to promote a hidden agenda* (i.e no detail until after the referendum)
*"the voice" is divisive (it is a form of communism to use propaganda to divide people into classes)* *"the voice" is an echo chamber shutting down democracy & free speech of those who don't agree with it* *"the voice" will open the door to affirmative action (eg employment opportunities skin colour over talent)* *"the voice" = tojan horse for litigation(land tax to 4% of the population most who don't live off the land)* *"the voice" is a false premise based on false hope, using emotive falsehoods to promote a hidden agenda* (i.e no detail until after the referendum)
If 'The Project' represents the standard of the mainstream media, then it's no wonder they are worried so much about social media. Their incredulity that Kamahl could think for himself is hilarious and sad at once.
Like many of us, Kamahl is interested in where all of the money has gone, for NO result. Though Noal Pearson has done quite well out of the indigenous industry so far. There are already 11 indigenous people in parlement, who are quite capable of voicing concerns for them. The constitution doesent need to be tampered with to improve the lives of the indigenous.
The project panel showing no respect to Kamahl's 'voice' and thinking their opinion on the matter is correct is quite hypocritical to what they claim they are trying to change.
The shock on their faces when they realised Kamahl was voting NO. So only aboriginals should get a direct say on issues that affect them. I thought that was what a voting system was for.
I get the feeling he pulled a good one on the project, they probably thought he was going to come on and support the voice but he knew he wouldn’t get on the show if he told them he was actually voting no so tricked the .
More like a look of scorn, and cynicism , followed by displays of moral superiority and belittling. Yeah could see the defensiveness and fake kindness straight away.
Hamish Macdonald conuntered Kamahl's claim that $40 billion is spent on indigenous people by saying it was it is $4.5 billion, however this is only theannual budget for the National Indigenous Australians Agency and NOT the TOTAL budget spend, which it seems that Kamahl was referring to and maybe coincidentally, is also mentioned in Productivity Commission reports. I do hope that Hamish and the other members of The Project's panel, reach out to Kamahl and apologise to him.
*Taxpayers give $39 BILLION annually for 984,000 people (3.8% of the population)* *3,521 Aboriginal & TSI corporations* *243 Native title bodies* *48 Land councils* *35 Regional councils* *122+ Aboriginal agencies* *3 Advisory bodies* *145 Health Organisations* *11 Indigenous Federal MPs* *12 Culturally important Indigenous days* *Taxpayers give $39 BILLION annually for 984,000 people (3.8% of the population)* *Expenditure per person in 2012-13 was $43,449 on Indigenous Australian compare to* *$20,900 on other Australians a ratio of 2.08 to 1 and increase from 1.95 in 2009.* Australian taxpayers spend at least $100 million a day on direct support for Indigenous Australians every year or $39.5 billion of direct government expenditure every single year. The figures are based on the 2017 Indigenous Expenditure Report produced by the Productivity COMMISSION
*"the voice" is divisive (it is a form of communism to use propaganda to divide people into classes)* *"the voice" is an echo chamber shutting down democracy & free speech of those who don't agree with it* *"the voice" will open the door to affirmative action (eg employment opportunities skin colour over talent)* *"the voice" = tojan horse for litigation(land tax to 4% of the population most who don't live off the land)* *"the voice" is a false premise based on false hope, using emotive falsehoods to promote a hidden agenda* (i.e no detail until after the referendum)
The referendum is a personal choice and he's being attacked for making a personal decision.... what sort of person would attack someone for that? Very sad. I wonder what else is currently happening in parallel while everyone is focused on this topic.... Who else is getting ripped off, what else is getting pilfered from the public purse (irrespective of anyone's voting choice)
and let's not forget, certain indigenous have a voice. but they don't represent them all. and alot of the top ones are just self serving like other politicians
14, 11 current reps in Parliament. Google Aboriginal days of significance. now weeks and even a month. 2 days: Anzac & Australia Day 🇦🇺 and they're even taking that off us. NOT SUSS AT ALL 😂
It's not dividing anyone based on race, it's helping to close the gap between Aussies that have suffered displacement, discrimination, and disadvantage for hundreds of years and the majority of Aussies.
THE VOICE 3,278 Aboriginal corporations • 243 Native title bodies • 48 Land councils • 35 Regional councils • 122+ Aboriginal agencies • 3 Advisory bodies • 145 Health Organisations • 11 Indigenous Federal MPs • 12 Culturally important Indigenous days • Taxpayers give $3B annually for 984,000 people (3.8% of the population) • Expenditure per person in 2012-13 was $43,449 on Indigenous Australian compare to $20,900 on other Australians a ratio of 2.08 to 1 and increase from 1.95 in 2009. No my figures but happy to see those 'in the know', correct them and put up a more accurate version. Nevertheless, there is no lack of 'Voice' here..... There is far more than I've got and I was born here too and I've been on this land longer than most who are reading this.
*"the voice" is divisive (it is a form of communism to use propaganda to divide people into classes)* *"the voice" is an echo chamber shutting down democracy & free speech of those who don't agree with it* *"the voice" will open the door to affirmative action (eg employment opportunities skin colour over talent)* *"the voice" = tojan horse for litigation(land tax to 4% of the population most who don't live off the land)* *"the voice" is a false premise based on false hope, using emotive falsehoods to promote a hidden agenda* (i.e no detail until after the referendum)
With respect to your well set out massage, taking out government infrastructure, roads, education, electricity and water etc. etc. etc. the average per First Nations Persons is somewhere between $6k and $14k. I bet that’s a shock to the system. There is so much misinformation. It’s very sad 😢
@@jayrwickerman The bottom line here is that every person who was born in this country and every person who has taken out Citizenship, is an Australian..... I don't give a rats if Mr Wong came here six months ago and became a citizen or if someone has roots going back thousands of years..... Both are equally Australian. 'Identity' Politics is not an intelligent way to bring about any kind of unity. Its only good at dividing. And to add to this, there is not a square inch on earth other than the Antarctic to where people have moved and settled since the dawn of time. Nobody is 'first nation'. We're all out of the trees of Africa to begin with.
I emailed the federal government department responsible for the voice and asked them how many people will be on the body and how much will they get paid and they could not answer. I am not voting to put more overpaid bureaucrats in Canberra when I don’t even know how many there will be, and what they will be paid.
4 billion, 40 billion, it's still more than enough money per indigenous person to make some kind of impact. They themselves say it hasn't, and they need the voice now.... show me the money. What have they done with it? Kamahl is right.
This is the first I’ve heard from anyone that it’s not 40billion, even Albo hasn’t tried shutting that one down so it’s more than likely true especially when people inside parliament have told us it’s 40 billion
Approx $30-40billion a year is spent on Indigenous Affairs is the total amount spent by multiple Indigenous organisations funded by the government. The 4.5bill mentioned by the project host is the budget of just one of the Indigenous organisations. The project team had an opportunity to clarify this but obviously didn't seem interested.
😊 What we have now is no accountability of where the money ( $30-40 billion) goes or how it is spent with the existing organisations and service providers. This is what needs to change. A referendum will not change this. What is needed is an inquiry.
Have you felt pressured one way or another? You mean like the ppl on this panel are trying to pressure someone for not saying what they thought/want? What a despicable display from this panel - it’s The Project, what else are ppl to expect.
@@peterching2125 true that - I literally only saw this bc someone else sent me the clip bc they thought it funny the way the hosts fell over themselves when it didn’t go to their script lol
Remarkabke how nany indigenous leaders in urban and remote areas are voting NO ro the Voice. Another remarkable oddity is how most of the YES camps sypporters are NOT indihenous people but insufferble woke white Greens/Labor voters. If our indigenous oeople arent all that keen, then whose agenda does it serve?
The NGOs and mining companies that have long funded constitutional recognition campaigns. Amazingly, the legislative reforms that would most materially effect Traditional Owners and Indigenous organisations, the CATSI Act reforms proposed under Ken Wyatt, were mothballed under Labor. Look up original 'No' campaigner Kaiyu Moura whose been at it for 11 years.
The hosts were visibly triggered by Kamahl’s ‘uninformed’ opinion that 70% of Aussies already agree with. Perhaps Kamahl’s infiltration of common sense into their echo chamber will make them think twice, but I doubt it.
"The younger generation informing the older generation"...that's ageist and perhaps an expected result of the bias on the panel being exposed so blatantly
Hamish is so disingenuous on the fact checking! Khamal is 100% correct with his figures. The figures are all there in black and white when you read the indigenous expenditure reports!
Approx $30-40billion a year is spent on Indigenous Affairs is the total amount spent by multiple Indigenous organisations funded by the government. The 4.5bill mentioned by the project host is the budget of just one of the Indigenous organisations. The project team had an opportunity to clarify this but obviously didn't seem interested.
They ended up making fools of themselves! Serves them right, for pandering to so called "celebrities", lol....just shows exactly who they are..weak and shallow.....it's all "good" when you "agree" with them, but have the wrong opinion in their eyes, and you're a nobody. Hilarious!
Hamish's intervention (aka bullying) was wrong. The Productivity Commission estimated the figure at $30 billion some years ago - so escalated to $40 billion today.
The $30 billion figure appears to have come from the Productivity Commission's most Indigenous Expenditure Report, published in 2017, which provides a breakdown of total "direct expenditure" on First Nations Australians. So probably exceeding $40 billion now.. The report estimated that direct expenditure on all Australians - by all state, territory and federal governments - totalled $556.1 billion in 2015-16, of which $33.4 billion (6 per cent) was spent on First Nations people.
Wrong. "Ultimately, the Productivity Commission estimates that only $5.6 billion or 18.6% of the total expenditure is provided through Indigenous-specific or targeted services, saying that: Mainstream services accounted for $24.7 billion (81.4%) of direct Indigenous expenditure in 2012-13… with the remaining $5.6 billion (18.6%) provided through Indigenous-specific (targeted) services (a real decrease of $0.1 billion (1.2%) from 2008-09). What’s the difference between Indigenous-specific and mainstream services? According to the Productivity Commission: Mainstream expenditure includes outlays on programs, services and payments that are available to both Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander and non-Indigenous Australians on either a targeted or universal basis."
@@stevenp2309 If you are going to call out someone as wrong you need to get your facts straight and check your source first before you post, because the information you have cut and paste, I'm assuming from "The Conversation" fact check of Warren Mundine on QandA which was Published on September 5, 2016 at 7.25pm AEST is in relation to the 2014 Indigenous Expenditure Report not the 2017 Indigenous Expenditure Report that @DB-cv9yb clearly mentions in his Post
You were trying to persuade him which is unprofessional. Also the 34 billion is correct it also includes the funds allocated to health, education, unemployment, pensions, etc! So you guys need to be informed.
@@zen1647 Source: The 2017 Indigenous Expenditure Report by the Federal Government Productivity Commission. Quote: ' In the 2015 - 2016 financial year, total direct government expenditure on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians was $33.4 billion'. (That was seven years ago)
@@melhawk1352Thanks. A bit old (a lot has happened since 2017) but still useful. 6% of spending on 3.8% of the population seems very reasonable to me based on the fact that indigenous people are some of the most disadvantaged people in Australia. One thing I love about Australia is that we reckon everyone deserves a fair go.
Bet not one of those clowns on the panel have ever been to a Community to see what Aboriginal Corporations have done to their own people over the last 40 years.. SAY NO!!!
What the panelists don't get is the Voice cannot be guaranteed to work any better than what has been done before now, yet will effectively be a permanent inclusion in the Constitution. So the yes campaign want us to try something new in the hope it will work. That's tantamount to a blank cheque, a risk many are not prepared to take. Had it been legislated first, trialled for 5 or 10 years, shown to work and then put forward for inclusion in the Constitution, then it might have been more palatable. And then you add in the falsehood that the vast majority of indigenous people support it (many, many don't), the smokescreen about the length of the Uluru Statement (the Statement pushed is indeed but page 1 of a 26 page document) and the ultimate goal of treaty and truth (the inevitable consequences of voting yes for the Voice component) and it is little wonder that informed, free-thinking voters are seemingly siding with No.
No to racism No to apartheid No to segregation No to changing the constitution We need a Royal Commission on where the funds has gone and why it has not reached the people! The first people are sovereign and have voices.
That was my favorite project episode ever. Clear panic turn gas lighting and bullying an 88 year old man followed by a bucket of self righteousness. Kamahl deserves am apology.
Well put.
Especially when he was correct it is close to 40 billion dollars
status quo from these people
Kamahl deserves an apology from the Project. The panel was condescending towards him. Hamish should also correct his “fact check” … the $4.5B NIAA spend Hamish quoted is only part of the $40B figure Kamahl quoted. Kamahl was correct.
Yeah Peta Credlin fact checked the fact checker at the Project using Federal Government figures and found them as expected to be wrong and Kamahl was right. It's $40B a year
Some of the best unbiased reporting and journalism I have ever seen! 👏
Exactly. The Project is dropping disinformation intentionally to influence the referendum. Shameful.
The Panel Of Rejects got their arses kicked,...- they blindsided themselves and I love it.
@@tonyvillani4614yep agree to and a real journalist PETA CREDLIN has shown how a real journalist does her job
That's right it's not The Project's job to persuade people. Keep your noses out of it because your show is having the opposite effect.
I don’t normally watch this show but I’m going to now. They are actually correct with what they are saying. The figures are also correct. Do the math yourself. The First Nations Peoples get less than half per head than the rest of us. You have to take out all the infrastructure that all Australians are privileged with. Health services, roads,police, electricity,water,education etc. etc.
They get half what a non indigenous person gets from the government? Am I hearing you correctly?
Effect.
@@stephenericwalsh I changed it. Thanks. Wasn't 100 per cent sure which way to write it.
@@jayrwickerman They get 2.08x what non-indigenous get per capita, as per the Productivity Commission.
The Project owes this bloke an apology….
Absolutely
Radical leftists NEVER apologise and they CANNOT accept a different point of view.
Why are you trying to brow beat kamahl about his decision on the voice.
It's because the project is a leftist show
like communism
The woke project can’t cope 😂😂😂
The people on the show didn't like his no comment good on you kamarl
If Kamahl can backflip so can I. I am now voting NO.
Or is that YES? It's all so confusing
Good!
Stay positive. It’s better for your health.
many have changed their minds one way or the other, as long as people are voting for individual understanding and not for the political party they follow.
Yep it's a no for me
These idiotic panalists degrading this man hes voting no stop degrading him.
shame on the project. they planned to promote a Yes supporter but because Khamal supports the No they try to discredit him. labelling him in this youtube name as "backflipping again" and during the interview changing their script trying to poke holes in everything he said. They all really exposed their unprofessional unjournalistic bias. particularly about the 40 billion dollars. telling Khamal he is wrong and comparing it to the 4 million allocated through one particular funding entity whereas Khamal was talking about the entire allocation to all aboriginal organisations. And they knew this.... seriously, does anyone think only 4 million is disbursed overall? But the project claimed this to discredit Khamal. Really disgraceful.
Nailed it. Ultimately it doesn't really matter, no one watches The Project anyway.
Agree
💯 I almost pressed subscribe then I realised what the channel was
Never has been, never will be anything but a propaganda show.... No matter the topic
Spot on, 100%
He definitely said 4 billion not 4 million. The figure of 30 or 40 billion was debunked years ago yet it still shows it’s ugly face. It’s so wrong.
Kamal is 100% right. It comes down to principle. We all need to be treated the same under the laws of the land. Anything else is UNFAIR.
Your in the WRONG country for that kind of radical thinking.... every citizen treated equally by the government regardless of race or culture or heritage?? pppfftttt Hahahaha... and just imagine - No indigenous minority relentlessly holding the country to ransom over the past and sucking taxpayers dry for all its worth while never being satisfied like a giant 'Tiddalik'? NEVER going to happen.
Never trust a man who says Daryl Somers and a hey hey it's Saturday we're racist towards him. He's a snowflake
So get rid of the minister for waman?
But we are governed by admiralty law.
@@josmith1815 Yes.
Say no to protected classes.
Say no to segregation.
Say no to institutional racism.
We ALREADY have
Protected classes and instructional sexism.
You people are deluded.
@@josmith1815so you support segregating people based on race?
*"the voice" is divisive (it is a form of communism to use propaganda to divide people into classes)*
*"the voice" is an echo chamber shutting down democracy & free speech of those who don't agree with it*
*"the voice" will open the door to affirmative action (eg employment opportunities skin colour over talent)*
*"the voice" = tojan horse for litigation(land tax to 4% of the population most who don't live off the land)*
*"the voice" is a false premise based on false hope, using emotive falsehoods to promote a hidden agenda* (i.e no detail until after the referendum)
And no to teflon coated politicians. And NO to the voice referendum.
@@josmith1815 "you people"?
I’m with Kamahl here,100%.
Sky news just did an interesting fact check of the Projects 40billion dollar fact check. They claim Kamahl was right
It seems to me he doesn't know Delilah from MC Hammer
True racism from the project. "Support aboriginals, as long as they agree with me!"
4.5 Billion? Absolute rubbish. The NIAA alone has an annual budget of $3.4 Billion. That is 1 advisory body. There are 243 Native Title Bodies, 48 Land Councils, 35 Regional Councils. 122+ Aboriginal Agencies, 3 Advisory bodies, 145 Health organisations. The annual budget for all of these exceeds $30 Billion per annum. Get your bloody facts right!
pity they aren't reporting excess deaths
good on you chris, another straight shooter that isn't afraid to put their real name (I'm assuming) to their comments.
and shame on hamish for doing that to kamahl
The project team purposeful tried to discredit him by only naming the expenditure of one Indigenous organisation, when they know there are hundreds of them.
@@avalancheaceexcess deaths from family violence, you mean? What about the deaths towards non aboriginal from aboriginal? Fairs fair,mate!
@@HGCUPCAKESYeah we talking the big increases of excess deaths as a whole like in countries such as Australia, America, Canada, UK. It's wild that no one wants to discuss why so many more people are dying when they shouldn't be. Like what's the causation? Do we just all now have faulty batteries installed these days?
“It’s not our job to persuade people”… all they did was argue him!!
exactly
He sounds more informed than she is.
did nothing but biased persuasion...
@@JmacBogan more like blatant belittlement and ridicule
I’m with Kamahl here,100%, and the project SHAME ON YOU, we do spend $40B per year.
google says we don't. I notice they are limited in which departments they mention.
The productivity commission is where that money figure coming from. Congrats kamahl on getting educated.
Link?
@@jayrwickermanlook it up yourself
@@jayrwickermanHamish should know this!
@@jayrwickermanThree key words right there, the productivity commission.
Look it up yourself.
Its not difficult.
Good on you Khamal , it's all racist propaganda. One people one Australia 🇦🇺
There is already a minister for waman and not men.
So deluded
Are woman a different race?@@josmith1815
Say no yes means money
Like Kamahl, I’m voting No because it’s an informed decision.
I loved the backflip, the shock on the presenter’s faces and the fact he called a spade a spade. They had to finish the segment fast once they realised their Yes discussion was in fact a debate on No. The look on their faces and Kamahl’s facts were correct. $40 billion has been spent and we should be doing what Jacinta has stated and auditing where and how the money has been spent. Every Australian deserves to be supported and that is equal. Let’s ensure the Aboriginal support is handled properly with the democratic system we have in place.
Hilarious!! Thanks Kamahl for giving us priceless facial shock expressions on this lot. Absolutely outstanding!!
Agreed! Best TV I’ve seen in eons!! 😂😂
It’s a shame he is convinced by misinformation.
Shock that someone would constantly change their mind back and forth and offer no real explanation as to why.
he's 88 years old and they were attacking him. did you see his lips ...
he said because it brings race into decision making. it's discriminative policy. it's saying one race has more rights than others. what next ? @@traceyholt8223
8:52 "It's not our job to persuade people" LMAO - that's exactly what that woman was doing while she was shrieking over the top of Kamahl as he was trying to clarify his point after getting cut off. Man, these hosts are insufferable. Also the $40 billion claim is CORRECT. That's the combined annual figure of all government allocation to all aboriginal organisations.
It's not. It's the total figure spent on indigenous people in Australia...which includes the same hospitals, school and roads we all use. It also includes around $6bn of funds which ARE specific to indigenous people.
Total misinformation. Do the math mate. 👎
Have a look at the the annual operating budget of the NIAA which is openly available online, and they are one of the many agencies for Indigenous people.
Was it 4 billion, 6 billion or 40 billion? It's important not to be distracted by the numbers, as massive as they may be.. The important thing to realise is that this mechanism to give support directly to the indigenous already exists and we don't need another one. If 4 billion isn't enough, make it 6. If 6 isn't enough, make it 10. We don't need a voice to do that. And if there's no more money to give, then how would a voice change that?
@@jayrwickermanlooks like around 60% of Aussies have done the maths and they don’t get your twisted answers!
Thanks Kamahl, you are truly a great Australian
$39.5B spent on indigenous has just been confirmed by Skynews. The Project owes Kamahl a apology!
😂😂😂😂 the project thought they were going to boost that yes propaganda and back fired big time 😂😂😂😂😂
The Project really should be called 'The Propagandist'
At least he has the guts to give his opinion in public instead of worrying about public opinion.
Legend....
Yep... he's basically retired so he knows they can't cancel him.
Kamalah, YOU WERE 100% RIGHT ON THE 40 MILLION. The misinformation these people share time, time again is a blight on Australians. PERIOD
B I L L I O N.
It is 40 BILLION. Total expenditure on average. The Project was WRONG!
Yup 40 billion he was right
Approx $30-40billion a year is spent on Indigenous Affairs is the total amount spent by multiple Indigenous organisations funded by the government.
The 4.5bill mentioned by the project host is the budget of just one of the Indigenous organisations.
The project team had an opportunity to clarify this but obviously didn't seem interested.
Time to fact check and get to the bottom of the amount..
I have to say I laughed so hard when Kamahl announced his backflip live on air. Clearly they thought he was in the bag and after building the man up they then did there best to tear him down. By the way the productivity commission reported 30 billion was spent on indigenous affairs in 2017 which has risen to at least 35 billion now so he wasn’t that far wrong about the spend. The point was made that not all of this was direct payments but the if the productivity commission say that 35 billion is spent on indigenous affairs then that’s a fair statement for him to make and old mate on the panel should be ashamed of fact checking without the facts.
shame he didn't have that fact ready to go. He handled him self pretty well.
Very well done Kamahl, you have a good understanding, though the hosts were trying to herd you.
The $40 billion figure he was referring to was the budget allocation for the Closing the Gap program. There is $40 billion exclusively allocated to helping improve their health/education/employment outcomes etc.
The bureaucrats has taken most of them through managing the Aboriginal Institutions.
We don't need a voice, we need an audit.
For the Yes supporters, the $40 billion is merely chicken feed.
They are after a few percentage of GDP.
*"the voice" is divisive (it is a form of communism to use propaganda to divide people into classes)*
*"the voice" is an echo chamber shutting down democracy & free speech of those who don't agree with it*
*"the voice" will open the door to affirmative action (eg employment opportunities skin colour over talent)*
*"the voice" = tojan horse for litigation(land tax to 4% of the population most who don't live off the land)*
*"the voice" is a false premise based on false hope, using emotive falsehoods to promote a hidden agenda* (i.e no detail until after the referendum)
Not exclusively, the estimate includes costs for all mainstream services too.
Good on you Kamahl ! I'm voting with you !
I am voting NO because I am not a racist and I don’t think you should treat people differently
*"the voice" is divisive (it is a form of communism to use propaganda to divide people into classes)*
*"the voice" is an echo chamber shutting down democracy & free speech of those who don't agree with it*
*"the voice" will open the door to affirmative action (eg employment opportunities skin colour over talent)*
*"the voice" = tojan horse for litigation(land tax to 4% of the population most who don't live off the land)*
*"the voice" is a false premise based on false hope, using emotive falsehoods to promote a hidden agenda* (i.e no detail until after the referendum)
Yeah, the government are good at pitting people against each other. They did that with the vax, too.
Irrelevant nonsense. Voting yes isn't racist. A lot of no voters are racist.
Kamahl has done his research and come to his senses, it's time for the rest of the Aussie's to do the same and say 'NO"
And this is exactly why I no longer watch the Project. Social media has a lot to answer for.
It is 40 billion a year are you going to appologise to Kamahl
That's what I've heard too, can you point me to where I can find this information?
If 'The Project' represents the standard of the mainstream media, then it's no wonder they are worried so much about social media. Their incredulity that Kamahl could think for himself is hilarious and sad at once.
every, Yes I agree, See YT video titled,
Secret Communist Plot Behind 'Voice to Parliament' Exposed.
I came here for the backflip ...I stayed for the NO!
Like many of us, Kamahl is interested in where all of the money has gone, for NO result. Though Noal Pearson has done quite well out of the indigenous industry so far.
There are already 11 indigenous people in parlement, who are quite capable of voicing concerns for them. The constitution doesent need to be tampered with to improve the lives of the indigenous.
Kamal is smart
The project panel showing no respect to Kamahl's 'voice' and thinking their opinion on the matter is correct is quite hypocritical to what they claim they are trying to change.
The project hosts are awful! They make their left position very clear and try to embarrass people with a different view to them.
The shock on their faces when they realised Kamahl was voting NO. So only aboriginals should get a direct say on issues that affect them. I thought that was what a voting system was for.
I get the feeling he pulled a good one on the project, they probably thought he was going to come on and support the voice but he knew he wouldn’t get on the show if he told them he was actually voting no so tricked the .
like how the hosts always follow the government. almost like china lol
@@knight2425😂classic!
Lmao
More like a look of scorn, and cynicism , followed by displays of moral superiority and belittling. Yeah could see the defensiveness and fake kindness straight away.
Thank you Kamal. You are right, a legend and a man for standing up for what is right.
Kamahl was as informed as any Australian can be. After all Albanese wants us all in the dark.
Hamish Macdonald conuntered Kamahl's claim that $40 billion is spent on indigenous people by saying it was it is $4.5 billion, however this is only theannual budget for the National Indigenous Australians Agency and NOT the TOTAL budget spend, which it seems that Kamahl was referring to and maybe coincidentally, is also mentioned in Productivity Commission reports. I do hope that Hamish and the other members of The Project's panel, reach out to Kamahl and apologise to him.
*Taxpayers give $39 BILLION annually for 984,000 people (3.8% of the population)*
*3,521 Aboriginal & TSI corporations*
*243 Native title bodies*
*48 Land councils*
*35 Regional councils*
*122+ Aboriginal agencies*
*3 Advisory bodies*
*145 Health Organisations*
*11 Indigenous Federal MPs*
*12 Culturally important Indigenous days*
*Taxpayers give $39 BILLION annually for 984,000 people (3.8% of the population)*
*Expenditure per person in 2012-13 was $43,449 on Indigenous Australian compare to* *$20,900 on other Australians a ratio of 2.08 to 1 and increase from 1.95 in 2009.*
Australian taxpayers spend at least $100 million a day on direct support for Indigenous Australians every year or $39.5 billion of direct government expenditure every single year. The figures are based on the 2017 Indigenous Expenditure Report produced by the Productivity
COMMISSION
The 10 hosts are trying to bully Kamal
Good on Khamal for having the brains and guts to investigate the issue and make a sound decision
Lol - the outrage expressed at Kamahl for changing his minds in accordance with FACTS.
*"the voice" is divisive (it is a form of communism to use propaganda to divide people into classes)*
*"the voice" is an echo chamber shutting down democracy & free speech of those who don't agree with it*
*"the voice" will open the door to affirmative action (eg employment opportunities skin colour over talent)*
*"the voice" = tojan horse for litigation(land tax to 4% of the population most who don't live off the land)*
*"the voice" is a false premise based on false hope, using emotive falsehoods to promote a hidden agenda* (i.e no detail until after the referendum)
The referendum is a personal choice and he's being attacked for making a personal decision.... what sort of person would attack someone for that?
Very sad.
I wonder what else is currently happening in parallel while everyone is focused on this topic.... Who else is getting ripped off, what else is getting pilfered from the public purse (irrespective of anyone's voting choice)
No one wants the truth, that's why comments get turned off.
Yeah, except he didn't know the facts.
@@zen1647yep Hamish needs a bit of education!
With 3,400 Indigenous Associations and 11MPs, they already have access to policy makers and can provide advice.
These 3,400 Indigenous Associations are taking the $40 billion as 'management fees'
2% of the population
11% of the senate
Indigenous are already overrepresented in parliament.
and let's not forget, certain indigenous have a voice. but they don't represent them all. and alot of the top ones are just self serving like other politicians
I’m with Kamahl 100%. No to racial division. I also would like to know where the 30 plus billion dollars are spent annually?
14, 11 current reps in Parliament. Google Aboriginal days of significance. now weeks and even a month.
2 days: Anzac & Australia Day 🇦🇺 and they're even taking that off us.
NOT SUSS AT ALL 😂
It's not dividing anyone based on race, it's helping to close the gap between Aussies that have suffered displacement, discrimination, and disadvantage for hundreds of years and the majority of Aussies.
@@zen1647
We are all Australians,
Treat us equal
Pay Reparations,
Pay rent,.
Pay compensation,
Treaty.
Do you want to pay RENT ????
@paulwood5738 no I don't intend too. preaching to the choir hun 🙌
And that is modern day journalism.
it is activism masquerading as journalism
Yeah it's meant to be neterual and facts...
Hamish is such a smug c-t
this is just like the vax. amazing all the white hosts are so for the voice, yet there are aboriginals against it lol
@@adiintel1Impossible when the PM is pushing it. Total and utter bias
Haha. Love it Kamahl!
THE VOICE
3,278 Aboriginal corporations
• 243 Native title bodies
• 48 Land councils
• 35 Regional councils
• 122+ Aboriginal agencies
• 3 Advisory bodies
• 145 Health Organisations
• 11 Indigenous Federal MPs
• 12 Culturally important Indigenous days
• Taxpayers give $3B annually for 984,000 people (3.8% of the population)
• Expenditure per person in 2012-13 was $43,449 on Indigenous Australian compare to $20,900 on other Australians a ratio of 2.08 to 1 and increase from 1.95 in
2009.
No my figures but happy to see those 'in the know', correct them and put up a more accurate version. Nevertheless, there is no lack of 'Voice' here..... There is far more than I've got and I was born here too and I've been on this land longer than most who are reading this.
*"the voice" is divisive (it is a form of communism to use propaganda to divide people into classes)*
*"the voice" is an echo chamber shutting down democracy & free speech of those who don't agree with it*
*"the voice" will open the door to affirmative action (eg employment opportunities skin colour over talent)*
*"the voice" = tojan horse for litigation(land tax to 4% of the population most who don't live off the land)*
*"the voice" is a false premise based on false hope, using emotive falsehoods to promote a hidden agenda* (i.e no detail until after the referendum)
Wow
Thank you for the info maybe the project should read it before spreading misinformation on national TV
With respect to your well set out massage, taking out government infrastructure, roads, education, electricity and water etc. etc. etc. the average per First Nations Persons is somewhere between $6k and $14k. I bet that’s a shock to the system. There is so much misinformation. It’s very sad 😢
@@jayrwickerman The bottom line here is that every person who was born in this country and every person who has taken out Citizenship, is an Australian..... I don't give a rats if Mr Wong came here six months ago and became a citizen or if someone has roots going back thousands of years..... Both are equally Australian. 'Identity' Politics is not an intelligent way to bring about any kind of unity. Its only good at dividing. And to add to this, there is not a square inch on earth other than the Antarctic to where people have moved and settled since the dawn of time. Nobody is 'first nation'. We're all out of the trees of Africa to begin with.
I emailed the federal government department responsible for the voice and asked them how many people will be on the body and how much will they get paid and they could not answer. I am not voting to put more overpaid bureaucrats in Canberra when I don’t even know how many there will be, and what they will be paid.
and all these bureaucrats will need tax-payer funded staff of course. another layer of bureaucracy is just what this country needs right?
Yep, if the voice gets a yes, that'll be another 40 billion spent on aboriginal affairs, again achieving NO results @@peterching2125
The Project hosts are leftist jokes
Funny how they all have exactly the same world view?
4 billion, 40 billion, it's still more than enough money per indigenous person to make some kind of impact. They themselves say it hasn't, and they need the voice now.... show me the money. What have they done with it? Kamahl is right.
This is the first I’ve heard from anyone that it’s not 40billion, even Albo hasn’t tried shutting that one down so it’s more than likely true especially when people inside parliament have told us it’s 40 billion
Approx $30-40billion a year is spent on Indigenous Affairs is the total amount spent by multiple Indigenous organisations funded by the government.
The 4.5bill mentioned by the project host is the budget of just one of the Indigenous organisations.
The project team had an opportunity to clarify this but obviously didn't seem interested.
Haha well that backfired 😂 the project is a joke
😊 What we have now is no accountability of where the money ( $30-40 billion) goes or how it is spent with the existing organisations and service providers. This is what needs to change. A referendum will not change this. What is needed is an inquiry.
google search only says 4.2 billion. Bit creepy.
Have you felt pressured one way or another?
You mean like the ppl on this panel are trying to pressure someone for not saying what they thought/want?
What a despicable display from this panel - it’s The Project, what else are ppl to expect.
the project is like Q&A, shows almost no one in australia watches according to the ratings.
@@peterching2125 true that - I literally only saw this bc someone else sent me the clip bc they thought it funny the way the hosts fell over themselves when it didn’t go to their script lol
Remarkabke how nany indigenous leaders in urban and remote areas are voting NO ro the Voice.
Another remarkable oddity is how most of the YES camps sypporters are NOT indihenous people but insufferble woke white Greens/Labor voters.
If our indigenous oeople arent all that keen, then whose agenda does it serve?
The NGOs and mining companies that have long funded constitutional recognition campaigns. Amazingly, the legislative reforms that would most materially effect Traditional Owners and Indigenous organisations, the CATSI Act reforms proposed under Ken Wyatt, were mothballed under Labor. Look up original 'No' campaigner Kaiyu Moura whose been at it for 11 years.
So many 'yes' voters are middle class ABC/SBS watching middle aged women! (I'm surrounded by them!!!)
Kamahl is a swinging voter, fair enough!
the presenters dont understand it but pretend they do
They are robots, programmed to talk nonsense.
I'm with kamahl
The hosts were visibly triggered by Kamahl’s ‘uninformed’ opinion that 70% of Aussies already agree with. Perhaps Kamahl’s infiltration of common sense into their echo chamber will make them think twice, but I doubt it.
Jacinta is the Voice, she is exactly what is needed for change.
After watching that radio interview of her, I tend to agree.
Amen
Bet the ABC is not reporting his latest decision....
Definitely not
the ABC has gone down the toilet
"The younger generation informing the older generation"...that's ageist and perhaps an expected result of the bias on the panel being exposed so blatantly
Hamish is so disingenuous on the fact checking! Khamal is 100% correct with his figures. The figures are all there in black and white when you read the indigenous expenditure reports!
Approx $30-40billion a year is spent on Indigenous Affairs is the total amount spent by multiple Indigenous organisations funded by the government.
The 4.5bill mentioned by the project host is the budget of just one of the Indigenous organisations.
The project team had an opportunity to clarify this but obviously didn't seem interested.
The project tried to gaslight kamahl. The way the hosts talked to him condescendingly was shameful. I'm voting no against the racist voice.
i love the way they all have a concerned face when he says no, like they have been told grandma just died.
“Your job is to inform facts as journalists”….🤣🤣 it’s a NO..!! Well done kamal
The Project showing its bias and now trying to make a fool of poor Kamal. Your facts are not facts Project.
They ended up making fools of themselves! Serves them right, for pandering to so called "celebrities", lol....just shows exactly who they are..weak and shallow.....it's all "good" when you "agree" with them, but have the wrong opinion in their eyes, and you're a nobody. Hilarious!
Hes come to his senses
6:46 The project needs to apologise they got it wrong,…it is 40 BILLION! Apologise….
Hamish's intervention (aka bullying) was wrong. The Productivity Commission estimated the figure at $30 billion some years ago - so escalated to $40 billion today.
Kamahl's point about where all the money goes, is definately worth investigating.
VOTING NO
Hahaha omg look at them trying to talk him out of it! 😂 Absolutely gas lighting him
The $30 billion figure appears to have come from the Productivity Commission's most Indigenous Expenditure Report, published in 2017, which provides a breakdown of total "direct expenditure" on First Nations Australians. So probably exceeding $40 billion now..
The report estimated that direct expenditure on all Australians - by all state, territory and federal governments - totalled $556.1 billion in 2015-16, of which $33.4 billion (6 per cent) was spent on First Nations people.
Wrong.
"Ultimately, the Productivity Commission estimates that only $5.6 billion or 18.6% of the total expenditure is provided through Indigenous-specific or targeted services, saying that:
Mainstream services accounted for $24.7 billion (81.4%) of direct Indigenous expenditure in 2012-13… with the remaining $5.6 billion (18.6%) provided through Indigenous-specific (targeted) services (a real decrease of $0.1 billion (1.2%) from 2008-09).
What’s the difference between Indigenous-specific and mainstream services? According to the Productivity Commission:
Mainstream expenditure includes outlays on programs, services and payments that are available to both Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander and non-Indigenous Australians on either a targeted or universal basis."
Correct 🎉🎉🎉
@@stevenp2309 If you are going to call out someone as wrong you need to get your facts straight and check your source first before you post, because the information you have cut and paste, I'm assuming from "The Conversation" fact check of Warren Mundine on QandA which was Published on September 5, 2016 at 7.25pm AEST is in relation to the 2014 Indigenous Expenditure Report not the 2017 Indigenous Expenditure Report that @DB-cv9yb clearly mentions in his Post
Time for AUDITS ASAP.
Time for truth telling now
Good for Kamahl coming to the correct decision after a lot of thought.
Why is The Project so unkind about it?
Haha so funny - the project deserves the embarrassment - love the way the presenters try to fight with Kamahl
You were trying to persuade him which is unprofessional. Also the 34 billion is correct it also includes the funds allocated to health, education, unemployment, pensions, etc! So you guys need to be informed.
The Project really got a smack in the face here. Love Kamhal
NO to Australians divided by race!!!
United we stand, divided we fall. We need to protect all Australians that need help, all Australians deserve equal rights regardless of race.
He was right about the $40Billion.
Just make sure you write NO and bring a pen ! Good on you Kamahl having the guts to stand up to this nonsense .
That arrogant panel owes Kamahl an apology. $39 billion a year of tax payers money spent on indigenous organisations is CORRECT.
Source?
@@zen1647
Source: The 2017 Indigenous Expenditure Report by the Federal Government Productivity Commission.
Quote: ' In the 2015 - 2016 financial year, total direct government expenditure on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians was $33.4 billion'.
(That was seven years ago)
@@melhawk1352Thanks. A bit old (a lot has happened since 2017) but still useful. 6% of spending on 3.8% of the population seems very reasonable to me based on the fact that indigenous people are some of the most disadvantaged people in Australia. One thing I love about Australia is that we reckon everyone deserves a fair go.
Yes campaign is disgustingly racist. We are all equal.
Division is not the answer!
100%
Bet not one of those clowns on the panel have ever been to a Community to see what Aboriginal Corporations have done to their own people over the last 40 years.. SAY NO!!!
Have you?
well played Kamahl, that was a work of art
Need to fact check Hamish’s claims
What the panelists don't get is the Voice cannot be guaranteed to work any better than what has been done before now, yet will effectively be a permanent inclusion in the Constitution. So the yes campaign want us to try something new in the hope it will work. That's tantamount to a blank cheque, a risk many are not prepared to take. Had it been legislated first, trialled for 5 or 10 years, shown to work and then put forward for inclusion in the Constitution, then it might have been more palatable. And then you add in the falsehood that the vast majority of indigenous people support it (many, many don't), the smokescreen about the length of the Uluru Statement (the Statement pushed is indeed but page 1 of a 26 page document) and the ultimate goal of treaty and truth (the inevitable consequences of voting yes for the Voice component) and it is little wonder that informed, free-thinking voters are seemingly siding with No.
No to racism
No to apartheid
No to segregation
No to changing the constitution
We need a Royal Commission on where the funds has gone and why it has not reached the people! The first people are sovereign and have voices.
Are you guys going to apologies on air for your incorrect fact checking on the $40 billion?
Management and producers and channel 10 need to cancel Hamish ASAP he is damaging your show, audience and ratings
What ratings? They can't get much lower.