What I've observed: 1.) Finnish people REALLY care about education, Americans generally don't. 2.) Becoming a teacher is prestigious and very competitive. 3.) Few social issues as a result of a very ethnically/culturally homogeneous population. 4.) Freeform lessons that value critical thinking and "why" and "how" as opposed to just "what." 5.) Finnish people have a relatively high socioeconomic standing. 6.) Less pressure for kids to "perform," more time to simply learn. 7.) School days are short but intensive.
In Spain, we should learn more about the educational system of Finland. I think the teacher is the really important subject in the education. They are free, they are respects and they are youngs. In Spain we are in a very different situation, completely wrong in every single aspect and a educational system full of desmotivated old teachers that are trying to speak English very quickly because of the goverment legislation...
Yes, but it requires citizenship and knowledge of the Finnish language. Finnish is quite hard to learn because of it's grammatical case system as well as NOT belonging to the Indo-European language family.
+Jay C Well, in 6th grade, one of my classmates, who is Estonian, but still knew Finnish perfectly, had his cousin move in to the same town to study in Finland, and she had zero capability of actually even comprehending Finnish. At the end of 6th grade, she knew Finnish almost as well as her cousin. So, language really isn't an obstacle.
+syafiqrahman Hensem If you move to Finland and you have a visa or a citizenship, you can put your son and your daughter to our school. There are international schools at every level of education, even though there aren't many of them. If you move to a city like Helsinki, Tampere, Turku, Oulu or Lappeenranta, you should find an international school for your school--aged child. I think you can find all of the international schools by googling.
The NUMBER ONE thing here is that the society respects intelligence and education. All the lessons we can take from there (teaching methods, curriculum, etc) mean nothing if our society continues to denigrate intelligence (think Jersey Shore). It is just that simple. "Bad schools" and "bad teachers" aren't killing America - our collective anti-intellectualism is. After having so many advantages post wwii, that attitude which we were able to get away with post war, is now catching up to us.
In the u.s. teachers are hired by who they know, not what they know. A two year degree from a community college/extended high school, political pull, and a school superintendent that is run by the mayor, council, selectman, etc. the least qualified, with political pull, gets the job. Happens all of the time. 3 years later they have tenure. That is why we are 17th. in the world.
* They have 5 years of study for getting their master after a very important interview and if they pass this interview and pass the entrance application, so they join their research study for preparing them to be a good teachers. 10% of the applicants only are qualified to join master degree to get their chance to be a professional teachers.
I don't think everything is to do on how teachers treat them and what they teach. I suspect the main influence here is how education is viewed by society as a whole. The teacher methods go out the window if the students don't care or misbehave. You can teach the most boring subject in the world easily if you have students who actually listen and engage. For the Finish system to work in the UK for instance, you would have to start by changing people's mentalities about learning and what actually studying means.
Really, what at least from my viewpoint, was the thing that kept my classmates calm and willing to study was the amount of interaction and friendliness in class. We would easily become fond of the teachers, even to quickly become friends with some, and that made a good atmosphere for learning. The teachers weren't robots, hiding their personalities, but willing to make friends and interact like people.
Yeah, i agree. By that way, the students know that the teacher is concern about them and recognized them as a person. This could eliminate the gap between them.
+Lidia Morejudo (Language Store) I agree, and I at first thought that if the Finnish system were to be implemented worldwide that it would have the same results - being high class education - but what I didn't know was a piece of information that was shown in the previous part which was: in 1960, labour-force growth stopped, making economic growth dependant on knowledge, skill and productivity increases. It makes me wonder if the Finnish system was a product of its time and thus be incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to replicate anywhere else. :\
+RacinZilla003 It could mean that, since education was their best chance at progressing, they had perfected the system, or simply bettered it. If students don't feel as pressured, and as mentioned above, are more connected to teachers, they are more willing to learn and it makes understanding easier since they know the teacher and how they teach. However nothing is perfect, and though this is a very effective method, there may be a few people who may not succeed in this system
I don't think someone's learning style is dependent on their ethnicity... I also remember hearing from somewhere that they tried the American model in Norway, that has the same homogeneous society, and it was a complete failure. I'm not saying the Finnish education system should be used everywhere just like it is. Every country has a different culture after all.
wait they have to get a degree in what they teach??? they have to actually know what they're teaching?? whoa...that's a little ridiculous, American teachers don't need that! lol (tear)
Not quite. Like the person said, 60% students, 40% teacher. I've been in classes where students are left alone, and it's ok, but not nearly as rewarding as classes which are majority students but the teacher is still a presence.
Jamie Browning Riehl like the man said the "student teachers" im with john dewey on this one,there are not teachers only studetns.once you involve hierarchy into the equation it ceases to be learning and become mere physical despotism.
Saying it's the culture that makes America's school system so subpar is a very good example of why America is staying at such a low ranking. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose! Just speaking my mind, but I graduated high school 3 years ago (almost 3 years, I suppose), and the American school system is not glorious in any sense. Very rarely do you get a teacher who is an expert in that area, they simply get a degree in teaching, and snatch up any job that's available to them. I had an English teacher who had no experience in the Japanese language, teach me 4th year Japanese my senior year. The physical education departments are much worse off than the rest because there really aren't any "dedicated" PE teachers. Why do we spend time wondering why we struggle in teaching children things we don't know ourselves? That's my question. This has nothing to do with any cultural identity, it's lack of knowledge on the teacher's part.
What I've observed:
1.) Finnish people REALLY care about education, Americans generally don't.
2.) Becoming a teacher is prestigious and very competitive.
3.) Few social issues as a result of a very ethnically/culturally homogeneous population.
4.) Freeform lessons that value critical thinking and "why" and "how" as opposed to just "what."
5.) Finnish people have a relatively high socioeconomic standing.
6.) Less pressure for kids to "perform," more time to simply learn.
7.) School days are short but intensive.
About 12 minutes in, the teacher describes the students as "15 year old people." Not children. Not kids. People. I think that is crucial.
Agree
In Spain, we should learn more about the educational system of Finland. I think the teacher is the really important subject in the education. They are free, they are respects and they are youngs. In Spain we are in a very different situation, completely wrong in every single aspect and a educational system full of desmotivated old teachers that are trying to speak English very quickly because of the goverment legislation...
can i move to finland and put my son and my daughter to their school?
If they have finnish nationality, then yes.
Yes, but it requires citizenship and knowledge of the Finnish language. Finnish is quite hard to learn because of it's grammatical case system as well as NOT belonging to the Indo-European language family.
+Jay C Well, in 6th grade, one of my classmates, who is Estonian, but still knew Finnish perfectly, had his cousin move in to the same town to study in Finland, and she had zero capability of actually even comprehending Finnish. At the end of 6th grade, she knew Finnish almost as well as her cousin. So, language really isn't an obstacle.
+Peevis katso kun meiltä virolaisilta se onnistuu helpommin, pikkuisen enemmään vaati sellaineen muilta
+syafiqrahman Hensem If you move to Finland and you have a visa or a citizenship, you can put your son and your daughter to our school. There are international schools at every level of education, even though there aren't many of them. If you move to a city like Helsinki, Tampere, Turku, Oulu or Lappeenranta, you should find an international school for your school--aged child. I think you can find all of the international schools by googling.
This is depressing from the eyes of an American. Wish our education was like this.
highly qualified teachers+better curriculum +student interest=education
And this is why I feel so unprepared for everything I’m currently learning in college
The behavior of those kids is wonderful, its different from kids in the United States.
coz in the states, kids want to go to school with a gun and kill lol
The NUMBER ONE thing here is that the society respects intelligence and education. All the lessons we can take from there (teaching methods, curriculum, etc) mean nothing if our society continues to denigrate intelligence (think Jersey Shore). It is just that simple. "Bad schools" and "bad teachers" aren't killing America - our collective anti-intellectualism is. After having so many advantages post wwii, that attitude which we were able to get away with post war, is now catching up to us.
In the u.s. teachers are hired by who they know, not what they know. A two year degree from a community college/extended high school, political pull, and a school superintendent that is run by the mayor, council, selectman, etc. the least qualified, with political pull, gets the job. Happens all of the time. 3 years later they have tenure. That is why we are 17th. in the world.
They have nice skin...
That's... actually a valid point.
* They have 5 years of study for getting their master after a very important interview and if they pass this interview and pass the entrance application, so they join their research study for preparing them to be a good teachers. 10% of the applicants only are qualified to join master degree to get their chance to be a professional teachers.
I don't think everything is to do on how teachers treat them and what they teach. I suspect the main influence here is how education is viewed by society as a whole. The teacher methods go out the window if the students don't care or misbehave. You can teach the most boring subject in the world easily if you have students who actually listen and engage.
For the Finish system to work in the UK for instance, you would have to start by changing people's mentalities about learning and what actually studying means.
Really, what at least from my viewpoint, was the thing that kept my classmates calm and willing to study was the amount of interaction and friendliness in class.
We would easily become fond of the teachers, even to quickly become friends with some, and that made a good atmosphere for learning.
The teachers weren't robots, hiding their personalities, but willing to make friends and interact like people.
Yeah, i agree. By that way, the students know that the teacher is concern about them and recognized them as a person. This could eliminate the gap between them.
+Lidia Morejudo (Language Store) I agree, and I at first thought that if the Finnish system were to be implemented worldwide that it would have the same results - being high class education - but what I didn't know was a piece of information that was shown in the previous part which was:
in 1960, labour-force growth stopped, making economic growth dependant on knowledge, skill and productivity increases.
It makes me wonder if the Finnish system was a product of its time and thus be incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to replicate anywhere else. :\
+RacinZilla003 It could mean that, since education was their best chance at progressing, they had perfected the system, or simply bettered it. If students don't feel as pressured, and as mentioned above, are more connected to teachers, they are more willing to learn and it makes understanding easier since they know the teacher and how they teach. However nothing is perfect, and though this is a very effective method, there may be a few people who may not succeed in this system
Good teacher turns that "misbehaviour" into a lesson before things get out of hand.
I don't think someone's learning style is dependent on their ethnicity... I also remember hearing from somewhere that they tried the American model in Norway, that has the same homogeneous society, and it was a complete failure. I'm not saying the Finnish education system should be used everywhere just like it is. Every country has a different culture after all.
*Teaching students how to think.
You forgot something. They are not speaking in their own language, and they can talk that well.
Please read on Smithsonian.com article about Finland education system, the USA is eons behind. Oh hyva olla Suomalainen.
wait they have to get a degree in what they teach???
they have to actually know what they're teaching??
whoa...that's a little ridiculous, American teachers don't need that! lol (tear)
lmao
leave students alone and they will do great.
Not quite. Like the person said, 60% students, 40% teacher. I've been in classes where students are left alone, and it's ok, but not nearly as rewarding as classes which are majority students but the teacher is still a presence.
Jamie Browning Riehl
like the man said the "student teachers" im with john dewey on this one,there are not teachers only studetns.once you involve hierarchy into the equation it ceases to be learning and become mere physical despotism.
***** all your "accomplishments" seems to have made you rude, you know that?
Go check my second channel FriendlyFinn I commentate gameplays. Tell me how's my English. I'm from Finland.
Saying it's the culture that makes America's school system so subpar is a very good example of why America is staying at such a low ranking. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose! Just speaking my mind, but I graduated high school 3 years ago (almost 3 years, I suppose), and the American school system is not glorious in any sense.
Very rarely do you get a teacher who is an expert in that area, they simply get a degree in teaching, and snatch up any job that's available to them. I had an English teacher who had no experience in the Japanese language, teach me 4th year Japanese my senior year. The physical education departments are much worse off than the rest because there really aren't any "dedicated" PE teachers. Why do we spend time wondering why we struggle in teaching children things we don't know ourselves? That's my question. This has nothing to do with any cultural identity, it's lack of knowledge on the teacher's part.
Kemi-Ari 2:21
rich area kids... Not working class kids...
+jkt no, it's a mix of kids from different backgrounds. Finnish schools are public except for one or two private schools.
jkt are you dumb