@21:23 Stephen's lines of play never cease to amaze. He could have cast Thief of Sanity and Lightning Greaves precombat and attacked with the Etrata and the Thief.
Loved this video. Especially the part where they touch on the fact that you could hardly tell that they were working with a budget restriction. After a summer of people falsely trying to prop up Brawl by claiming Commander was SOOO expensive, its good to prove the point that it doesn’t have to be. Two thumbs up.
I know, right. Commander is SOOOOO EXPENSIVE that I just want to drop money on standard cards that rotate so that I can buy entirely new decks every two years.
Oh you right, I think he missed all of them. I read that as how many times they just missed the trigger to "shuffle" her away in general, and redirect to command zone. Which he did almost miss once. Sorry. I don't think there was any time where he knew enough of the top of his deck for missing the shuffle to really matter. But he did miss them
LOVE this series so much so thank you for being so great: all of you. I write this befor diving into the video but I see that Jon is back, welcome back.
Justin “Who besmirched me most recently” Parnell Jonathan “think about the kids...I’ll shoot the kitten” Suarez Stephen “I need a blocker... I intend to attack” Green Jeremy “that says, draw a card, draw a card, draw a card” Noell
Did I miss something? At 26:57, Skullbriar goes from 3 counters at 4 due to the Krasis evolve trigger. At 27:11, Justin attacks Stephen and inflicts 5 Skullbriar damage, but Skullbriar does not gain another counter.
In the beginning of this one so far, gotta say, John, love the deck, wouldn't mind seeing it played with no price tag limits, and so far most interesting win condition has to be Stephens deck. Pure lulz
@@doomofthedestiny8065 One of the four offical oracle rulings on the card states and I quote "An aura put onto the battlefield this way can't enchant an artifact or enchantment that's also being put onto the battlefield with Open the Vaults". So no. He does not. All of the permanents are returned at the same time, so they enter at the same time, so Aegis of the Gods is not a legally enchantable because it is not yet in play until Ancestral Mask is also in play already. They also dont at all go on the stack so they are at no point resolving. If they had to resolve that would imply you could counter individual artifacts and enchantments being returned by Open the Vaults. But they do not go on the stack so they at no point resolve. Priority has nothing to do with this, and even if it did no one has priority during a spell's resolution.
Yeah, they aren't being cast. They are being simultaneously being put on the battlefield. Therefore, Ancestral Mask could not have enchanted the Aegis. This comment needs more likes. It's a rather obscure situation, but people should still learn the nuances of auras if they don't already know them. Fun fact: Auras only have targets when cast. So if you blink a Pacifism, you can put it on a hexproof/shroud creature.
That intro was a beautiful thing and the banter this week was fantastic. Also, as a big fan of the banter I can confirm that if you like the banter here you will indeed enjoy Think Twice.
Yavimaya Enchantress and Ancestral Mask count ALL enchantments in play not just Jeremy's enchantments. Justin always had at least 2 additional enchantments in play. It didn't matter this time, but you made the same mistake over and over.
So at 30:00-ish when Justin gets Rebuked, he could have chosen to put Skullbriar back in the command zone to keep all the counters, right? Hand is just usually preferred because it's normally better.
Nope, it had Darksteel Mutation on it, therefore it did not have the ability "Counters remain on Skullbriar as it moves to any zone other than a player's hand or library." When it was moved out of the battlefield.
No, the Darksteel Mutation meant Skullbriar had no text so didn't get to keep counters. Though, the Mutation should have gone back to Jeremy's hand as well - all permanents controlled to OWNERS hand.
Watching this after Ikoria, can't help to think about how much better Skullbriar is with Ability Counters. Imagine the thing having permanent Hexproof, Flying, Lifelink and Menace...
Jeremy's hand made me so sad I've been playing enchantress for years now and recently added blue when tulvasa came out but I've never had the engine fail like that all lands for like 3 turns
Why is it that all of the commanders I’m interested in watching are played by Jeremy. It seems like every time I find a set of commanders I want to watch he’s got the bant deck or the enchantment deck or the queen marchesa deck
I think a lot of people misread etrata. It can only exile creatures but only cares about cards in exile. So you can animate opponents artifacts (u/b is good at it) and exile those and it still counts. Almost all decks run artifacts and you have no other way to really deal with them in u/b anyway.
@@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 if she targets a token and the exile effect resolves you still have to shuffle her in but the token ceases to exist in exile and won't count towards your 3 cards in exile.
@@calebdelore3778 things like tezzeret agent of bolas or karn silver golem turn your opponents artifacts into x/x creatures where x is their cmc. So animate artifact, attack, profit. Also one of the very few ways to destroy artifacts in those colors
I am really sad that they went budget decks when using Etrata. I wanted to see some shenanigans abusing her ability using Ninjitsu and Flicker so you could hit marker everything
Can't attach auras to permanents that enter at the same time with Open the Vaults. Ancestral Mask would have had to attach to a creature that was already in play.
Catching up on Commander VS so I know im a bit late, and Im sure someone pointed it already, but when Justin suffered from Rivers Rebuke around 36:00, the Darksteel enchantment should have returned to Jeremys hand.
@@pietarimajuri9753 For some reason I was thinking because it was attached to Justin's creature he had control but Jeremy was still the owner, prolly cause it was on his side of the board
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(Jeremy) Well, now that it has approval from Mrs. Noell: no-shave.org/member/JeremyNoell
You got this man!!! can't wait!!
Pound sign 4 life
so you don't like "Movemeber"
You’re good.
Suggestion: For No-Shave November, you all have to have a commander with a Beard.
Would a deck with all art by Edward P. Beard Jr count?
Hopefully
14:47 game starts I'll be that guy
Doing god's work.
Papa B l e s s
You're the real MVP
Its appreciated not here for deck techs
Ducki Elquacko someone had to do it
Am I the only one sad that the Niv-mizzet animation wasn't added in post?
Not going to lie Director Kyle's deck was sick.
Yeah man, that combo was insanity.
Do they not play their own decks
Congratulations to john! Love the crew, love the show, wish you all nothing but the best for the future! #teamgreen
I'm only halfway through the episode but I'm pretty sure Jeremy has drawn all his lands already.
@21:23 Stephen's lines of play never cease to amaze. He could have cast Thief of Sanity and Lightning Greaves precombat and attacked with the Etrata and the Thief.
59:37 The funniest Disallow :D
Also, oh god that ending was amazing. 1:50:56 to see the magic.
Loved this video. Especially the part where they touch on the fact that you could hardly tell that they were working with a budget restriction. After a summer of people falsely trying to prop up Brawl by claiming Commander was SOOO expensive, its good to prove the point that it doesn’t have to be. Two thumbs up.
Search for "mtg commander budget", there are entire channels based on that principal
I know, right. Commander is SOOOOO EXPENSIVE that I just want to drop money on standard cards that rotate so that I can buy entirely new decks every two years.
How many times did my guy Stephen not shuffle after the Etrata trigger? #TeamGreen
Once, and they caught it
No, you still need to shuffle your deck even if Etrata goes to your command zone
Oh you right, I think he missed all of them. I read that as how many times they just missed the trigger to "shuffle" her away in general, and redirect to command zone. Which he did almost miss once. Sorry. I don't think there was any time where he knew enough of the top of his deck for missing the shuffle to really matter. But he did miss them
Literally laughed so hard at saurez saying stop trying to make fetch happen
When I saw Jon was playing Izzet, I knew he was going to win. The deck could've used more instants and sorceries, though.
Holding onto that Banefire the entire game, that's some patience.
Missed counter on Beastmaster Ascension at 1:29:00. Oh, the counter arrived at 1:30:32. Good job, Jeremy! :D
Finally Skullbriar my Boy!!!!
Ugh perfect episode! I'm working on decks built around 3 of the 4 featured Commanders. Thanks guys can't wait to see how this goes!!!
LOVE this series so much so thank you for being so great: all of you. I write this befor diving into the video but I see that Jon is back, welcome back.
You guys drop these videos just as I'm about to go to bed here in South Korea... I want to watch... but I also have work tomorrow, lol.
Same!
Justin “Who besmirched me most recently” Parnell
Jonathan “think about the kids...I’ll shoot the kitten” Suarez
Stephen “I need a blocker... I intend to attack” Green
Jeremy “that says, draw a card, draw a card, draw a card”
Noell
Props to Jeremy for not only making a Rocky Horror reference but making a Rocky Horror callback reference.
Did I miss something? At 26:57, Skullbriar goes from 3 counters at 4 due to the Krasis evolve trigger. At 27:11, Justin attacks Stephen and inflicts 5 Skullbriar damage, but Skullbriar does not gain another counter.
I noticed that myself.
In the beginning of this one so far, gotta say, John, love the deck, wouldn't mind seeing it played with no price tag limits, and so far most interesting win condition has to be Stephens deck. Pure lulz
When Jeremy cast open the vaults he can't enchant Aegis cuz the 2 cards are entering at the same time so Aegis isn't a legal target.
They still have to resolve independently, he has priority, and choses the order they resolve.
@@doomofthedestiny8065 One of the four offical oracle rulings on the card states and I quote "An aura put onto the battlefield this way can't enchant an artifact or enchantment that's also being put onto the battlefield with Open the Vaults". So no. He does not. All of the permanents are returned at the same time, so they enter at the same time, so Aegis of the Gods is not a legally enchantable because it is not yet in play until Ancestral Mask is also in play already. They also dont at all go on the stack so they are at no point resolving. If they had to resolve that would imply you could counter individual artifacts and enchantments being returned by Open the Vaults. But they do not go on the stack so they at no point resolve. Priority has nothing to do with this, and even if it did no one has priority during a spell's resolution.
Yeah, they aren't being cast. They are being simultaneously being put on the battlefield. Therefore, Ancestral Mask could not have enchanted the Aegis. This comment needs more likes. It's a rather obscure situation, but people should still learn the nuances of auras if they don't already know them.
Fun fact: Auras only have targets when cast. So if you blink a Pacifism, you can put it on a hexproof/shroud creature.
That intro was a beautiful thing and the banter this week was fantastic. Also, as a big fan of the banter I can confirm that if you like the banter here you will indeed enjoy Think Twice.
Subtle Hamilton reference from Jeremy around the hour and five minute mark. Raise a glass.
I caught that too. I would chalk it up as a coincidence, but Jeremy has worn Hamilton shirts before, so clearly he knows it's a reference.
Congrats on the baby John!!!! Great episode, the super burn was great ftw!!!!
what a great ending! director kyle needs to build more decks!
wow so Niv is still good in Commander
Jon was on fire this episode. Congratulations on the baby.
Congrats on the new addition Jon & glad to see you back 😊
Commander VS and dinner. Can this wednesday get any better? :D
Justin and Stephen forgot about Kefnet's Monument's tap effect, Skullbriar shouldn't have been able to untap and attack for lethal that turn.
I wanted to see a Tuvasa Deck in Action. Now that I have seen what it can do even on a Budget, I more so wanna build it.
8:00 Myth Unbound is insanely good in my Saffi Eriksdotter deck.
Also insane in Ghalta, Primal Hunger with Food Chain.
Myth unbound is good with Pir and Toothy. Partners give you twice the value from it and the draw helps toothy's value.
Yavimaya Enchantress and Ancestral Mask count ALL enchantments in play not just Jeremy's enchantments. Justin always had at least 2 additional enchantments in play. It didn't matter this time, but you made the same mistake over and over.
This video aged well. Niv-mizzet remains one of the stronger Commanders in 2020 and will continue to be an obnoxious card. Great video
I agree with Justin, Unspeakable Symbol is great, I had it in Atraxa before I changed it to Ramos
the moment where they don't know ancestral mask's textbox --" 1:40:15
Congrats John
Yay John back so soon great to see ya back Hope all is well
So at 30:00-ish when Justin gets Rebuked, he could have chosen to put Skullbriar back in the command zone to keep all the counters, right? Hand is just usually preferred because it's normally better.
Nope, it had Darksteel Mutation on it, therefore it did not have the ability "Counters remain on Skullbriar as it moves to any zone other than a player's hand or library." When it was moved out of the battlefield.
No, the Darksteel Mutation meant Skullbriar had no text so didn't get to keep counters. Though, the Mutation should have gone back to Jeremy's hand as well - all permanents controlled to OWNERS hand.
But Jeremy was the controller of the Mutation. The Mutation just enchanted a creature controlled by Rebuked Justin, right?
Im heeeeeere!! And before the time stamp guy.
It's called Bant-chantments who calls is bantresses?!
Bantments, surely.
Stephen Green just became my favorite for being a Lakers fan! :)
Watching this after Ikoria, can't help to think about how much better Skullbriar is with Ability Counters. Imagine the thing having permanent Hexproof, Flying, Lifelink and Menace...
@40:10 Stephen - why cast Life's Finale the turn after Jon returned all of Justin's creatures to his hand?
What is with the Audio from John's side of the table? It seems like it happened with Kyle West last week too.
Jeremy's hand made me so sad I've been playing enchantress for years now and recently added blue when tulvasa came out but I've never had the engine fail like that all lands for like 3 turns
Shout out to Jeremy for saying "octothorpe" at the end of the episode! #scoops
im sad jeremy got 3rd, but i enjoy watching izzet win. mixed feelings
39:36 when Jonathan says "you see they're getting their own Hulu show?"
Great to see you back Jon!
1:43 - Jeremy can't attach the mask to an enchantment creature that returned at the same time.
John, he may not have 4 arms, but are the ones he has ultra muscular?
Why is it that all of the commanders I’m interested in watching are played by Jeremy. It seems like every time I find a set of commanders I want to watch he’s got the bant deck or the enchantment deck or the queen marchesa deck
Congrats on the baby, Jonathan!
Can we rock out to a “Battle of the Bans” episode? Banned commanders & other banned cards, cause heck the rules
1h11min, after the khalni expedition you could have played field of ruins and blow stephen's doubling land up and gained 2 counters on the enchantment
51:06 has a hand with lands and draws more lands priceless xD
Someone needs to explain why he didn’t shuffle etrata/put back to command zone after attacking with her and lightning greaves
Thats a sick 1984 shirt on Jeremy, anyone know where he got it?
Thanks for the great content every week!
I think a lot of people misread etrata. It can only exile creatures but only cares about cards in exile. So you can animate opponents artifacts (u/b is good at it) and exile those and it still counts. Almost all decks run artifacts and you have no other way to really deal with them in u/b anyway.
I misread Etrata, she can exile tokens and never activate like Annointed procession:P
@@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 if she targets a token and the exile effect resolves you still have to shuffle her in but the token ceases to exist in exile and won't count towards your 3 cards in exile.
Yeah but how do you put a hit counter on an artifact?
@@calebdelore3778 things like tezzeret agent of bolas or karn silver golem turn your opponents artifacts into x/x creatures where x is their cmc. So animate artifact, attack, profit. Also one of the very few ways to destroy artifacts in those colors
What was the Etrata joke about at the beginning? The one about paying for an appearance? I don't get it.
I am really sad that they went budget decks when using Etrata. I wanted to see some shenanigans abusing her ability using Ninjitsu and Flicker so you could hit marker everything
Where do I go to submit a deck list?
Tusava putting in some work however needed some counter magic.
Jeremy wanted to finally get revenge on john for all the one shots. then john blinked, and it went away.
When buying from SCG is there a promo code to support Commander Versus?
So Stephen reaps the reward of letting Justin live....
Love the shirt Jeremy
Justin, come back
Video starts about 15 minutes in.
51:10 When you draw piles of cards and they're all lands
Can't attach auras to permanents that enter at the same time with Open the Vaults. Ancestral Mask would have had to attach to a creature that was already in play.
Catching up on Commander VS so I know im a bit late, and Im sure someone pointed it already, but when Justin suffered from Rivers Rebuke around 36:00, the Darksteel enchantment should have returned to Jeremys hand.
I know this probably won't get a response, but Jeremy, do you know where you got your 1984 shirt? It's one of my favorite books of all time.
www.outofprintclothing.com/collections/mens-tees/products/1984-unisex-book-t-shirt
(Jeremy) Adam posted it above, but Out of Print is a great website with a bunch of items that have original book covers on them.
Enbantments
Brah literally my decks name
I'm actually building literally all of these decks right now, but I'm thinking of running estrid rather than tuvasa.
After etrata hits, shouldnt she go to command zone? That last line of text
Now I'm going to have to put Bonus Round into my Mizzix deck.... XD
better swarm inteligence or thousand-year storm?
Where are those panda sleeves from? I need them in my life
When Jon played Rivers Rebuke Jeremys Darksteel Mutation should have went back to his hand not his graveyard.
#MissedTriggers #GoodHorse #Scoops
No. River's rebuke returns nonland permanent target opponent (Justin) controls. Mutation was controlled by Jeremy.
@@pietarimajuri9753 For some reason I was thinking because it was attached to Justin's creature he had control but Jeremy was still the owner, prolly cause it was on his side of the board
At 37 min Jeremy should have put his darksteel mutation into hand from the rivers rebuke, not in the grave yard
what is sideboard damage?
“Stifle might be under 5 dollars”
Voidmage husher is budget as hell and could easily fit with Etrata.
How did Jeremy cast Phyrexian Rebirth at instant speed? Did I miss something?
Alchemist's Refuge
Happy new father's episode!
Jeremy's turns are so hard to follow. Taps and untaps lands and hasn't thought through any plays.... Good job reading the cards this week boys!!!
Papa Jon, better cards, better deck.
Well, that smells like... *breathes deep* Victory
Do the 'Volver cycle from apocalypse. Just big(ish) dumb creatures with kicker costs.
keep up the good work boys #TeamGreen
Nice commanders they got today !
Great episode
Why did Etrata return to the command zone? What did I miss?
They dont play tuck rules.
At the 1 hour mark after Stephen attacks with Etrata and exiles the Evolving Krasis, ain't he supposed to remove Etrata from play?