RTX 4070 Super vs PS5: How Much Faster/Better Are Today's Mid-Range GPUs?
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calling a 4070 super Mid-Range shows how broken the GPU market is.
Well it is mid range, with it's 192 bit bus and ad 104 silicon. Just very overpriced.
If only world markets for goods were based off individual thoughts and opinions of what's low/mid/high tier/quality.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat very typical of certain age demographics, and nothing new. Probably are more concerned with bragging rights of what hardware they have over just loving to play video games with a health interest in all things tech. So when they don't have the finances because of age/work etc they complain about the things they envy, and are fake pc master racist towards anything console related....sad really
My GTX 550 Ti in 2011 had 2GB of GDDR5 at 192 Bit Bus. I consider this a low range card disguised as a mid range card priced like a high end card, thats how it was back then too @@DragonOfTheMortalKombat
Dude there are 4-5 other gpus stronger than it what are you expecting it to be high end ? I believe high-end gpus should be best 3 of the said company so in this case 4090-4080 (super or no super) and 4070ti super.
Whats worse? An 4070 super is considered midrange or that midrange is $600+?
Yes.
I had a midrange gtx 970 several years ago. It was around 300 quid new.
@@lucodeath Well, the gtx 970 was nearly as fast as the gtx 980 which was high end. The 980ti was enthusiast level. You could make the argument it was almost high end. The 950 and 960 were more midrange territory.
Yes, your wallet doesn't determine what's mid range - high end 😀
@@lucodeathAnd 20 years ago a midrange GPU cost less than £100. So what's your point?
ah 700Euro GPU is now "mid-range"
Pretty much, 25 percent increase in Fab Cost's, Shipping costs gone up, Inflation, Etc. I see good performance and value with 4070 Super at @599 USD. It's almost a 4070ti for 2 bills less.
@@Obie327 the thing that goes up the most here is nvidias margin (from 25% to 40% or something ridiculous?). its insane and people still bend over backwards to make up excuses for poor nvidia
@@MKR3238 I can still remember when Nvidia wasn't even a blip on the radar. I don't buy too many GPU's, But my recent purchased RTX 4070 Super fits my needs nicely. After the Intel ARK A770 LE I purchased a year ago, I just wanted something that works. (What a driver hell and tinkering pain in the butt!) Intel's drivers have gotten better and will replace my tired GTX 1060 GPU with it.
@@Obie327im glad intel is there at least as a option in terms of GPUs, Nvidia is becoming a joke with their products and how the way the artificially inflate prices
@@HShango I'm not too happy either with how Nvidia is handling pricing ether. Having Intel step in as a third player was a relief. A breath of fresh air even after seeing the stagnation and high pricing with the Red and Green camps. Mind share is great with this one. (Yoda/Nvidia) I will chime in and say that RTX 4070 Super is really good and might be worth checking out. Happy gaming! Peace!
I would surely hope that a GPU that costs more than a ps5 would outperform a ps5
even in 2024 we still havent seen an apu be as powerful as ps5.
@@dante19890
Memory bandwidth of ddr won’t allow it. Any such apu would need a large cache to make up for slow system memory
@@dante19890 Except for Apple's chips. Everything since the M1 Max (released in 2021) has been faster.
@@MelvinGundlach as good as apple chips might be they are no match for the ps5
@@dante19890 If it helps, consoles are effectively using APUs. Like the Xbox Series X uses an AMD 3700x/6700XT-ish combo that is tied together and uses the memory that the console has. That console has two types of RAM, though, so on games that need more than the higher performing RAM, you'll see a performance hit.
Sad times when a £/$ 600 gpu is mid range 😮
Yep, ideally 300-400 should be midrange, with top end being 600-1,000, with 1,000 being titan/4090 power. I'm ok with a 4080 at 750-800.
Exactly the whole PS5 including a controller costs less than just 1 part so I bloody well expect PCs selling parts at this price to outperform consoles
It was only 7 years ago when a top end card (1080ti) cost $700.
Dude the card is overpriced. The specs are midrange. Please try to understand this.
@@cryodann 600 is the midrange now. Dude.
The "mid range" GPU alone is more expensive than the PS5. Nvidia's naming/ rebranding trick has been working really well. 70 series at the price of a 80 series but is still called mid range like a $329 970.
You seriously comparing the price of today to the price of 10 years ago? Have you not noticed the inflation of absolutely everything? Everything is considerably more expensive now even compared to 5 years ago let alone 10. A 970 is also comparable to a 4070, not a 4070 super. £330 in 2014 is worth £460 today, that’s just inflation, nothing else taken into account. A 4070 can be bought for £520. So with inflation taken into account, a 4070 is £60 more than a 970 was back in 2014. So stop talking crap, step out of the past and stop moaning about prices. Everything has gone up, and some things way more than the GPU market. What you gonna say next, that a 3080 released at £699? Did it ever sell for that? No course it didn’t. People were paying over 1k for it and it didn’t drop from that price until the 40 series was round the corner. The 4070 super is offering the performance of a 3080ti or better, for £570. Stop being so greedy and expecting more. It’s not a bad price. However the price of the 4080 and 4090 are ridiculous. But the 4070 super is a good price for what you are getting.
GTX 1070 was USD 400 with 8gb VRAM 6 years ago.
GTX 1060 beat the GTX 970, for under USD 300.
THE RTX 4060 can't beat a RTX 3060TI 😂😂😂
@@ESKATEUKthat's not how you use overall inflation which is an average of consumer goods to explain the price of one consumer good.
Computers used to cost around USD 4000 in the late 80s.
@@konstantinlozev2272The 4060 ti - the real 4060 - is basically just a 3070 with half the bus width.
@@GeneralS1mba yeah, on some tests that RTX 4060TI is slower (!) than a RTX 3060TI 🤣🤣🤣
Abomination in terms of "progress".
Also in recent Rx 7600 "XT" reviews all the "drama" was how those Rx 7600s and the RTX 4069 were "duking out", while the previous gen mid-range Rx 6700XT and RTX 3060TI were LOLing 10fos above them 🤣🤣🤣
Mid range is outrageous
It is exactly mid range
@@cynicalobserver8176I'd call a 7600/4060 midrange, and a 3050 low end. 70 class should be the starting point of the high end.
Best Buys cheapest 4070 PC is $1600 most are $2000.
Fun Fact most people do not build their own PC.
@@Crashed131963
People should learn. Pre builds are always poor quality for the price.
@@originalityisdead.9513 Most gamers do not know what a driver update is let alone are buying a PC in parts and putting it together .
Im sure a Ps5 would be $300 not $500 if Sony let the consumer put it together at home .
Mid-range GPU Seems like they lost touch to reality just a little bit...
It is a midrange GPU technically. they are right. but that doesn't mean its good value
Well, there's 3 GPUs above it and 3 below it if you count the 3050 they just refreshed again. The 1070 was mid-range at $449 in 2016
Mid range GPUs are now the price of the latest generation of consoles now, what a sad time to be a PC gamer
that always was the case but the thing is that this gpu costs MORE than that lmao
This is the thing, I appreciate the comparison and find it interesting, but you can pick up a PS5 for £450 and still get these games and have an enjoyable experience, while that price point won't even get you a mid-range GPU, let alone an entire mid-range system.
What do you mean? I can buy a PC for 600 quid that outperforms a console in most cases. Aside from the obviously faulty ports it is a great time to be a PC gamer.
Can it not be assumed that people who prefer consoles still buy themselves a computer from time to time?
@@uste-ru5rx Very easily. A 5600/6600 combo will be better than a PS5. However they share their differences. I own both a powerful PC and a PS5. Some days I just wanna boot up my 5 get on my bed and get straight to playing without having to mess with any settings. Having a LG C3 OLED TV kinda helps too ahaha. For SP games the 5 is my choice. For MP and some ahem sailing the vast open seas of gaming ahem I go to my PC. Let's not forget though that the PS5 is 3 1/2 years old by now. And it still holds good value.
calling a 4070 super a mid range gpu is beyond crazy
Lmao from the title I was like WTF. XD
You consider it anything else?
@@3k3k3 a $600-$650 USD card is midrange? NVIDIA really has done a number on their consumers.
it is mid range GPU. High end GPUs are 4080/4090 and low end of 4060.
@@michalrv3066 No 4070 - 4080 Super are high end and 4090 is enthusiast. 4050 is entry level and 4060 - 4060 Ti is mid -tier. These are all Nvidia claims.
If anything the current well selling 12gb 3060 is about as mid range as i'd go, anything more than that costs more than £300 and that's not a mid range card price imo.
The 970 was mid range at just under 400 $ and the us dollar has been hyper inflated since. Read a book.
In your EuroGamer Reviews of this new products, I cannot see benchmark numbers for the 4090 nor the 7900 XTX in your comparison tool, I only see up to the 4080 and the 7900 XT; are you planning to add the two missing GPUs in those tools???
Most people looking to buy these mid-range cards don't need to compare them to top tier products. I'd have thought this was obvious.
This comparison is not fair. 2020 Hardware at $499 vs 2024 $600 video card. (Only the video card , not the full pc)
Of course this comparison is dumb. But he wanted to shit on the PS5 anyway and It generated click bait money.
To be fair, unlike graphics cards from 2020 the PS5 hasn't gotten meaningfully cheaper.
Yeah? How many people bought a PS5 in 2020 for retail price? 👍🤡🤡🤡
@@davidfaustino4476About 7.8 million
Just a comparison. Its not meant to be fair and its obvious this gpu would destroy the console hardware. It’s getting boring comparing the XB and PS5 with next to no differences.
I need me some more Rich’s ratios. I would like to know the performance per watt for PS5 vs these PCs, even if it’s just a summary chart.
The things people are most interested in. You test your lightbulbs that way too?
@@McnoobletThat's how you test things. Anything can be made faster.
Consoles are made at power vs cost and affordable for the mass market.
Most PC Players worldwide have much lower end gpus then the 4070. Go look at steam gpu charts. Lol
Comparing with GPU to GPU alone the RTX 40 Ada is the current most efficient GPU architecture out there on TSMC N4+ compared to PS5 RDNA 2 with TSMC N7 and apparently this 4070 Super according to DF review is the new most efficient GPU on the entire RTX 40 lineup which is unexpected, so i think with all that the 4070 Super is likely going to beat the hell out of PS5 again when it comes to power to performance per watt, as long as both are measured with same clockspeed and same performance, not standard as that won't be fair test at all considering the 4070 Super is more than 2x faster than PS5 GPU anyway.
@@ShadowRomeo1784 It's not really unexpected. Before the 4070 Super, the 4080 was the most efficient closely followed by the 4090. Hell, GamersNexus recently did a video on this and found that exactly as you said: The Ada series is basicaly the most efficient discrete graphics card line to date.
Bonjour, qu'elle option graphique retiré vous sur PC pour être plus ou moins a la même qualité que sur PS5 ?
What settings does the ps5 use on Tlou? Please answer DF. Would love to know.
medium pc
This is a pretty silly comparison, a 4070 Super, as in, just the card on its own, is more expensive than an entire PS5. Not to mention it being the latest generation of silicon from Nvidia, compared to a system with RDNA2 architecture which is already 4 years old at this point...
You get 2x the performance (and up to almost 4x with frame gen) at the same settings for roughly 2x the price on a PC build with the 4070 super 🫠
@@killerhurtalot2,5 x the price if we are being honest
@KopfdesRiesen $1000 is more than enough for a mid range desktop with a 4070 super if you're not spending like $100 on a case, overspending on a 850w PSU, and settling for 16 GB ram and etc...
If you spend more money on newer hardware it will be faster and offer more features. No one expects a PS5 to outperform a 4070 Super. So it doesn’t matter what the cost multiplier is, it remains a silly comparison.
@@RazielAU You mean that it's just some people can spend more money for a better performance in game...
I mean, that's kind of a weird comparison in my books. The 4070 Super is a 650$ dollar card from 2024, the PS5 (digital) a 499$ (or even 399$ digital) system from 2020.
I still think that we shouldn't call these cards like 4070S budget or mid-tier cards when they cost like 600 bucks.
I agree that the comparison isn't fair but the 4070 is mid-tier. It's just that the top tier are extremely expensive. Also the PS5 is a console from 2020 but it's still around the same price, graphics cards are much more likely to drop in price as the next gen comes out.
When there are 4070Ti,4070Ti Super,4080,soon 4080 Super and 4090 as well as AMDs RX7900XT and RX7900XTX , how would you call it other than a midrange?
Well upper midrange tends to be used.
I call it upper midrange.
It serves as a great comparison for those considering to upgrade, but can't decide if they should do PS5 or upgrade a weak PC.
Or even purchase completely new one.
To see how much extra performance they get for their money.
@@GameslordXY 70 cards are performance-segment cards, they always have been - doesn't matter if nvidia releases 25 cards with ti, super, super ti etc etc
It doesn't matter, it's sad but, it IS midrange rince there is a 4070 ti (super), 4080 (super) and 4090. It may be expensive as hell, but that is how they are classified.
Nobody is saying it is meant to be fair. Is is supposed to be seen as how much gpu have ,,progressed"(cough... price/performance... cough) since then
@DF Clips @Digital Foundry where can I find those settings at 9:30? Can you guys share please 😂
I may have missed, but did he eve mentions what CPU was used on PC?
tfw a midrange GPU costs more than a console. I think a PC build for 1k or 1.2k at best should be compared to the PS5, not just the 4070 Super.
Well, the consoles have low-end performance. A 6650xt is basically the closest comparable GPU, and that's $250 new, not on sale. A 5600G has comparable CPU performance, and that's $125. You could easily make a comparable performance PC for $600, and then you don't have to pay $80/year for PSN.
The thing is. PC at 1k will always have a power advantage. But there are two major things that hold PCs back.
Optimization, and dated storage architecture. Although I wouldn’t say dated because the new faster storage architecture right now it’s even been taken advantage yet.
Only hellblade is the first game to take good advantage of it. Which is the first game I’m 3 years
@@balloonb0y677 with a pc we have the luxury to optimise for each game. High/mid DOESNT matter so much more power to do this. If there’s issues with a title at release it will normally get an update or patched. Consoles need optimising by devs as there’s little options so it’s critical.
@@colinbrydon7659 yes. That’s a pc advantage. You can’t don’t the same with consoles because they’re made with different strengths. Consoles are made more complex than a traditional computer. Hence why they call it console.
@link99912 PS5 is equivalent to a RTX 3080 and also ps5 has 16gb vram and optimisation
weird video, because the gpu alone is 600. how much did the rest of the pc cost?
U are weird to think pc is limited to just "gaming" think before posting a comment consoles are 500 usd because they are only for gaming now f off
@@COYG94 most everyone use these low to mid range GPU for gaming. For light surfing tbh your phone does the exact same thing. Heck your tv can play youtube. Heck shut the fk up about excel why would u bring work home??
@@COYG94why are you so angry?
@@mitsuhh because console s©ums keeps mentioning the price as if consoles are same as gaming pcs they are not, my cousin assembled a 2000$ pc for gaming animation coding and god knows what but a 500$ console cannot do all of this
@@COYG94PC fan boi crying
Thinking of switching to PC from series X and looking at this card. My question is can this do native 1440p/4K or do you NEED upscalers/ and frame gen.
You should be fine with native 1440. Roughly 60fps on nearly everything at max incl retracing. For more difficult games like Alan wake 2 run with dlss which will upscale to 1440 with max settings you will get circa 80-90fps. Dlss is the next gen when it comes to the rtx cards. It’s phenomenal you won’t even notice it’s not native. Just get a good cpu as it is used more when using any regen like dlss. Consoles need good optimisation, pc gamers you can tweek till you find the sweet spot.
@@colinbrydon7659 I’ve actually been debating on getting a 4050 gaming laptop. Have you tried those? Are they good?
If you do native 1440 the frame rate will still be higher then ps5 and seriesx which both use upscaling themselves. I have both consoles and a 3080 10gb and that difference is already big
@@JesseA29 I ended up getting a lil 4060 laptop and it’s pretty insane. It honestly looks and plays better then my Series x. Even natively I can run games like 1600-1800p(which is the laptops native Rez. At typically like over 70 fps. And with upscalers I can hit like 120. I’m pretty happy with my purchase haha.
$600 is considered midrange? Lmao
To make a 4070 super machine you need at least 1000 bucks for the motherboard, CPU, RAM, Memory, GPU, AIO, Power Supply and casing. With keyboard and mouse of course as PS5 comes with a controller.
PS5 base price is $450.
Idk how this is comparable.
Somehow he forgot to mention that part.
It’s not comparable whatsoever. A full build is twice the price, it better be twice the performance. Minimum.
It's no different from how they compare the PS4 with the PS5.
Majority of PS5 users also pay $60-$170 per year plus controllers, plus they probably bought an SSD which tends to be pretty expensive if it is proprietary. PS5 gets a plus there, even though when I bought my 2tb NVME for my PS5 it was somewhere around $250 after launch (they kind of trapped you into that with less than 1Tb of storage), not so much with Xbox as that SSD stays pretty expensive. PS5 Elite Controller? you want those 2 extra buttons? $200.
2 times the performance 2 times the cost. Makes sense to me.
4070 super is mid range? wow...I thought mid range would be the 30, not the 40.
Have been waiting for this 🤙🏿
So if I game at 1440p and don’t mind using dlss quality you think 12 gigs last at least couple years for triple A games at 60fps?
This is for my second pc on my tv. I have 7900xt on my main pc
It depends on the specs of the new consoles. If a PS5 pro comes in 1 or 2 years, and it will have more than 16 gb, then 12 gb will not be enough. Your relatively safe option for 3 to 4 years if 16 gb minimum at 1440p.
@@sogetsu60 consoles are so far behind pc at the moment. Ps6 will be catching up to 4070 and not til 2028
@@sogetsu60maybe, but it’s not like they’re gonna leave the regular PS5 out in the cold. Games will probably run fine on the original consoles, too, like last gen
The PS6 will be faster than a 4070. 100%@@bmdshred77
Tell me you are a small child who doesn't understand how tech progresses without telling me.@@bmdshred77
I upgraded my PC in 2010 with a GTX 480, and it was far ahead of PS3/360 consoles, like this comparison. I remember the graphics were also far ahead though and it is less so nowadays, even if you get double the framerate, you don't get "double" the visuals. I wonder if DF could do a retro comparison between consoles and PCs in this early 2010s era of early DX11.
Visuals look good no matter what you play on these days. Pc is better, and far more noticeable when on a high quality 4k screen. My 3080 in native 4k looks superior to my ps5 in dynamic 4k.
Diminishing returns. If you go back to 2000 in your comparison you could get double the frame rate and more than double the visuals. Due to the complexity and fidelity of current visuals, the increased quality perception requires exponential computing power, not geometric.
As an adult I'm now able to financially build a high end gaming PC these days, but theres just less incentive to do so nowadays. I guess I've missed the era where PC gaming was leagues ahead of consoles in all areas.
@@craigsampson3386Same. Eventually I'll get a new PC because I'm into simracing. But in general I don't think the experience is worth the money. I've been playing BF2042 lately on XBOX and I chose last gen over the current one because if I must use a gamepad, then I'd rather not play against KBM, and graphics are simply good enough.
@WilliamSkafast i mainly want a PC just to mod GTA games lol and play the remastered Command & Conquer collection, and Forza Horizon 3 because its set in Australia where i live with Aussie cars. Yeah same but Gran Turismo 7 fills my needs, I've sunk 600 hours into it so far.
If you prefer Xbox you can pick up 2nd hand Series S consoles dirt cheap just like Rich just did for his Dad, still a current gen console even though its a low end one.
Whats BF2042 like these days? I remember it was trash at launch. I jumped back into BF4 a month ago, still holds up and surprised how many people still play it, so easy to get into matches still.
Lol at people complaining that the comparison isn't fair. The point is to collect data that illustrates how much of a gulf there is between both systems. The fact that the 4070 performs better is something you already knew before clicking on the video, that's not what Rich is trying to prove. The point is to show you how much more performance you get. If this stuff doesn't interest you just move on. And yeah, calling this card mid range seems weird, but when you consider that the best card costs more than twice as much, it actually makes sense. Unfortunately that's the current state of the gpu market.
Is this exclusive content for the clips channel?! Very cool
is this a DLSS/nvidia ad?
Yes
700€ is midrange? what???
I think calling the 4070 super a "mid-range" card is incorrect. I think it's more appropriately a lower high-end card. In fact, I think the principle reason the prices have been so abysmal this gpu generation for both nVidia and AMD is because most of the cards are high-end cards, some lower-range high-end like 4070 & 7800 xt, some mid-range high-end like 4070 ti and 7900 xt, some high-range high-end like 4080 and 7900 xtx, and one super high-end (the 4090). I think the real mid-range non-high-end cards will be those of the 4060 ti and 7700 xt with the cards below those making up the low-end base level like 4060 and 7600.
Is correct way to call it mid-range because it suppose to be 4060Ti and 4060ti is mid-range and the 4070ti suppose to be 4070 but the cant sell a mid range for 600 so they fucked up they names so yeas is a mid-range card.
The 4070 Super's chip is actually what a 4060 Super should be for $299, but anyway, that's the harsh reality of the current PC market.
You are totaly wrong. Any card running 1440p ultra every game with high fps without any problem is high end or any card playing 4k 60+on ultra 90% of games is high end so 7900xt is there. Imagine calling it lower high end.
Mid-range GPU are now 500-600 bracket. Mining and Covid ruined everything. AMD and Nvidia wont drop prices now.
Prices are high because the companies are still price gouging and they know people will pay it.
I just built a 4070 super build.. pretty baller. Havent got my 1440p monitor yet though
I’ve looked at buying a midrange PC. Even without a monitor it looks like 1200-1300 pounds. What has happened to the hardware industry? When I got my first PC 10 years ago 1300 pounds would of got you a very goood high med/high pc
GPU: cryptomining ballooned prices 2-3x, then after mining finally died off, prices fell but not even close to as much. They're banking that desperate gamers will see 1.5x-2x what it should cost as a bargain. But 4070 super lack of sales indicates otherwise. Then, DDR5 came out and is too expensive. And its motherboards are too expensive. And chip shortages get blamed. And SSD makers are colluding to lower supply to raise prices. Add in post-covid inflation and there's your sum total.
700€ mid-range GPU vs 3 year old €500 console, I say PS5 still holds up but needs a price cut in the EU.
No thanks, I'll be sticking to PS5 at least I don't have to tinkering with it each time something updated be it windows or GPU drivers and it messed up the "optimized" setting so it's no longer optimized, and messing around in the game settings is a rabbit hole I wished I never got myself into felt like I'm worried too much about it instead of just enjoy the game.
I have that happened too many times on my RTX 3080Ti laptop.
The regular fight to keep games running smoothly is why I always have console around they're just works, and performance are much more predictable and consistent.
And there's nothing comparable between them, GPU that still needs another $1000+ worth of hardware and accessories vs a complete ready to use console.
@ 10:25
What Upscaler is Rich talking about?
So which is better?
It's actually very simple to visualize It:
PS5's GPU rasterization = 2070 super = something between the 3060 and 3060ti = 4060
While doing RT = 2060 super = 3060 = ~15% worse than the 4060
Except the numbers literally don't bear that out. The 4070 performs about 3x better.
@@davidfaustino4476 Exactly. We're regularly seeing triple performance from the 4070 at matching settings.
It’s not quite as straight forward, and can vary slightly, however compared to ps5 a 4060 has twice the power with circa +25% performance / 4070 3x the power with 2x or +100% performance. This only works on like for like comparisons. RXT obviously has frame gen and can utilise dlss which is phenomenal on supported games.
@@colinbrydon76594070 uses less power consumption use and performing as good as the 3080 ti
I primarily game on consoles. Really wouldn't mind paying a bit more for a bit more powerful console hardware. With that said, when you compere the value you get for what you pay, you get so much more for your money with a console than with a PC that is anything from "mid range" and up. I do not want the console market to end up being as broken as especially the GPU market for PCs is. The pricing there is just ridiculous.
Depends, PC and console are very different. Hard to really compare value since PC does way more than a console could. Don't think I can run Blender on my PS5 like I could on my PC for instance. There is more things I could do on a PC, there is more value for me there.
What value are you talking about, 4070s pc is giving you slightly higher than double the performance for slightly higher than double the price. The value for the ps5 and the pc compared here is the same, and you can also do a lot other things with a pc.
@@dhaumya23gango75”PC can do a lot of other things.” Yeah it can, but a majority do what with that? Doom scroll UA-cam or dubious sites instead of playing 1 of their 1000 Steam games? Seems like that’s what most people do. Everybody commenting acting like they are a programmer or some high level productivity user on PC is nonsense. People still game primarily in 1080P on PC.
@@user-gb3jk5sn9u you're right, the only way you use 100% a PC are of you are a designer, programmer, an engineer or a streamer
I'm just swapping my RTX 2070 Super out for the RTX 4070 Super and it will cost me about as much as buying my Series X did after selling my old 2070S
branding a 600-700$ GPU "mid range" is just marketers' wet dream. Looking at actual installed volume, it's a top-10% card; most of the market is way shy of 400$
Nah, everyone knows that 600-700$ GPUs being marketed as "entry level range" is what gives marketers intense orgasms!
Within the 40 series, it is firmly in the middle. Mid range by definition
@@kuruptzZz by that logic, Rolls Royce are offering mid- and low-range cars too?
@@a.b.c.d.e within the rolls royce catalogue, they would offer low and mid range models. twisting his statement to fit your 'gotcha' was hardly logical bro.
@@a.b.c.d.e Yes...rolls royce has the ghost on one end, and then the phantom on the other end...and a bunch of variants and models in between, I think even an SUV now. Nvidia has the 60 on one end, and the 90 on the other end. 70 super is in the middle. Literally their mid range GPU
Does the PS5 use FSR2?
in most games it doesn't use any form of AMD upscaling
Just the price of a 4070 super is more than the entire digital console plus 2 controllers plus some games. At that price, is it any surprise that it outperforms the PS5 by a factor 2?
The funny thing is it really doesn't outperform to that extent either. These are cherry picked games, situations and I question the frametimes, as I've never had such flawless frametimes on PC especially into longer gaming sessions, whereas consoles have always had rock solid frametimes.
@@redmoogle it’s a comparison between a gpu at 33/flops and 10t/tflops. The whole advantage to the rtx cards is the dlss which is phenomenal. Direct comparison is fine but as soon as you introduce retracing the ps5 will plummet in frame rates the 4070s not as much, so 2x performance will be 3x the performance. To say the opposite is just delusional. Consoles do well what they do but sorry no comparison between these two gpus.
@@colinbrydon7659 4070S is okay for RT but you really need a 4090 to have good framerates with it, otherwise it's just too much of an FPS loss. It's also limited to a very specific, narrow style of game---open world FPS style and some action games. It won't matter in RTS, sports, fighting games, platformers or any hand drawn style game. So for instance, if you played Mario, Zelda, Smash, Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Sonic, DQ, none of those games benefit from RT. But I can't imagine a world of playing video games where someone doesn't play any of those games and instead wants to try and convince someone CP2077 and Starfield are peak gaming.
@@redmoogle I’ve never used this gpu. Skipped it and went for the beast. Love the old games and play regularly with a hyper spin drive and couldn’t agree more. But some exceptional current games which take things to a level I’ve never seen. Pc gamer from the 90s.
Look man, I am a PC gamer but I must admit that console is so much better if u cant afford PC gaming or dont want to spend a RIDICULOUS amount of money on a set up. Consoles are great for their price. If money is not an issue obviously PC is better in everyway
$80 a year for PlayStation plus😅
That's for sure, an additional plus. Consoles don't have to deal with PC crash bs. I've been crashing with my 4090 from Nvidia driver issues. Aaaaaand windows 11 game input service crashing my computer lol. I have them solved for now. But man a couple crashes a week for a few weeks makes me want to switch back lol.
@@LoGIcMoTionif you want to play multiplayer. But I agree it's ludicrous. I'm dropping my ps plus and only getting it on sale lol. They bumped the price with no benefit.
@@jet613 Switch back to a console with 1/4th the performance... aight, you do you.
@@jet613F2P games don't need plus iirc
But yeah PS+ sucks
I've been leaning towards this due to the low power consumptiom, size, and weight over the 4070 Ti Super. And 12GB VRAM might be sufficient until the next console generation rolls around at least for 1440p or when using DLSS and a notch lower texture setting.
So a GPU from 2024 that's build on the latest gen NVIDIA architecture is faster than a console built on a last gen AMD architecture from 2020... G thanks!
Maybe compare this GPU when the PS5 Pro comes out which is rumored to have a 7800 XT equivalent GPU.
Remembered buying 8800 Ultra at $800. Good times.
except a year later you could buy a 9800 gt for 160 bucks and was only 15-20% slower, the 8800 gt was 349 at the same time. point being there were proper gaming options at every price point if you were smart.
@@northeu People who bought the 8800 ultra for 800 bucks are the reason 4090 is now 1.8k and still being bought. And naturally this affects the midrange market which is in return why midrange cost 600-700 now. Also, there is quite the inflation nobody seems to notice but maybe commentators arent of legal age and dont buy groceries?
The 4090 RTX is not the product for you, so why are you trashing people who choose to get it? How does you not having the money or want to afford a 4090 mean that people don't buy their own groceries? You sound like a bitter fool.@@mewtilate420
6600GT for 150
The Nvidia RTX 3080 ( launch price $700) was a high end graphic card in 2020
The Nvidia RTX 4070 (launch price $700) is a mid range graphics card in 2024
Things haven't changed for the better in PC land ...
The 4070's launch price was $600.
@@selohcin I'd imagine you live in a different country than they are? Thus different currency and pricing aswell.
its worse, in canada the super variant cost 750 $ @@craigsampson3386
the rx 7800 XT cost around 699 $
@blue_ish4499 I'm in Australia and just did a quick google, cheapest RTX 4070 12GB is AUD $811.09 lol
I grabbed a steam deck, a ps5 and a series x, and am very happy to now be done with pc desktop gaming as i won't dance to nvida's tune.
lies you'll be back
PS5 digital edition costs £390 from Amazon uk and this system Refract Gaming Celeste - 1080p/1440p Pre-Built Gaming PC
£1,799.99£1,729.99 (incl. VAT) from Overclockers uk costs 4.5 times more for 2.5 time more performance with the older GTX4070 graphics card.
Not enough of an upgrade from my PS5 or PC with 3070. Will wait and see what 5000 series or next AMD GPU series brings to table
Oh come on, the upgrade from a ps5 or 3070 to a 4070 super is massive. Not even comparable.
@@ESKATEUKmassive is 4x faster in my opinion. Not 2x
@@mitsuhh2x is a huge difference…
Use to have a 3070 got a 4070 super im telling ya 3070 is doo doo and a 1080p card now
Hopefully 5000 series brings prices back down abit? I remember DF praising the 3000 series back then being the most affordable in over a decade and was a great time to jump into PC gaming. Presumably 4000 series took a hit because of Covid with parts/manufacturing which drove prices up aswell as inflation spiking in the last few years.
Its the first time we've ever seen consoles go up in price post launch too. Crazy times.
PS5 will be 4 years old come November this year and the cost of the 4070 super alone costs more than the entire PS5 which includes a controller so damn right id be expecting significant performance boosts
PC is not "just" a toy, many PC gamers also use their rig for productivity. Console gamers also get raped slowly over the life cycle of the console with higher game prices and less variety than PC, so your logic is not entirely correct.
@@Battleneter Yup. PS Plus for 6 years (the console life cycle) is $1080US.
@Battleneter that's great for ppl who need it for work but for pure gaming many ppl just prefer the simpler way of consoles, PCs great im just making a point that damn right we should be expecting to see significant performance boosts over PS5 now.
@@markwheeler4245 A low end PC exceeds what PS5 can do. What do you want?
@@fcukugimmeausernamenot really. My laptop with RTX 3050-M runs Robocop at 20-30fps at 1080p low, even with dlss quality.
Ps5 would run it far better
Also i feel its misleading to say console lag is from contrlers as i remember getting 2ms response time from the older DualShock 4 with a crappy laptop . Consoles just use Vsync which is probably the issue
No you weren't getting 2ms response time over Bluetooth. Maybe if it was plugged in.
@@davidfaustino4476 blud, using the DS4 windows app , i can literally see the latency, when u plugged the controller in the latency actually went up to 3/4ms
Now we know what's needed to play current gen games at 60+ on a new console. Something equivalent to a 4070 super gpu built in or there abouts.
a 1060/i5 back in the day clears the ps4 OG by a mile and cost almost the same. can't say that for anything that can match a ps5 right now. you cannot build a rig that matches a ps5 equivalent for 499 USD.
What do you mean? There are several "console killer" builds out there.
u can spend like $700 and build a pc that outperforms the ps5 and pc comes with many more benefits than consoles which is why so many more ppl are switching to pc past few years
You cannot for 500 I agree. However you can for 700 like said above and for that extra 200 bucks you also get extra functionality. So proportionally you get the 'same' value. But I do agree with your original premise. Consoles, especially a second hand Xbox series x for example cannot be beat for the money. In my country you can get a second hand series X for 350 bucks.
If you include only the gpu and cpu like you have then you can.
Also dont underestimate the game price differences between the platforms PC games are mostly cheaper
Calling a 4070 Super, a 660€ GPU, mid range is just mad
But also not untrue. 4070 super uses AD104
So 70 series is high end mid-range or budget flagship???
As a 50 series user we r ranking as budget low-end card😢
4070 Super is mid range
4070 ti super is high end
@@mitsuhh you make me more confused bro
Just a "TI" different?
Ti Super uses AD103@@mgsan4702
Stuff like the 50 series has been entry level for quite some time, actually. The 60 series is the low end stuff.
@@RicochetForce I bought ROG laptop with 3050
That cost me 1k+ and now you saying 60 is low-end !!
I feel like I got scammed 😭😭😭😭
the 4070/super is not a mid range gpu. something is wrong here either the gpu market is down to crap. or you said it wrong. because the midrange should be around the 4050/4060Ti
I could buy 1.5 up to 2 PS5 for the cost of the 70 Super, only thing mid range is the GPU core in the 70S which is below midrange specs wise.
4070S
Best 1080p GPU in the market for native res and fps with RT
OC version of the same chip is a baseline 1440p GPU with native fps & RT
Considering $600 for 1080p to 1440p is just insane.
And comparison with PS5 is pretty pointless.
At best SX and PS5 are equivalent to 4060 Ti GPU which is a baseline 1080p gpu considering native res and fps with RT
Baseline 1080p and 1440p? People don't run games at benchmark settings. Even then, my PC with a worse gpu than a 4070 super runs Starfield at 1440p 90+ FPS basically everywhere. In New Atlantis, it dips to the 70s, though. RDR2 does around 100 FPS. Spider-Man Remastered does 100 FPS with max RT.
There are people still using a 2080 Ti at 4k because you don't have to wait for a developer to make a patch to get the performance you want.
Also, the PS5 is equivalent to the 7600 for $259 in real-world performance.
@@TheAllhailben7 with FSR
@@TheAllhailben7 The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as a 4070 and the games are getting more demanding every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console.
Why not compare RTX 4060Ti, RTX 4070 and RX7600, RX 7700? Much more people have RTX 4070 than 4070 Super.
So a price above the average is the base level for an entry GPU? NVIDIA's marketing 101!
Well the 4070 Super is around 700€ and a PC with that component is at least 1.500€. Why are we doing this contest? PC games also suffer from bad frame pacing, stutter and usually bad quality high refresh IPS monitor experience vs a midrange QLED VRR 500€ panel 50" TV experience with a console. For my money console all the way.
Derp.
I have a 4070 as well, still I am playing 90% of my time with my Series X on a QLED....@@fcukugimmeausername
So you're telling me that a 650€ 2024 GPU (which still requires a PC to operate) is more powerful than an all-in-one 500€ console with an APU from 2020. Wow thanks for the info DF!🙄
Yeah but it's like 3x the power.
No, it just shows where the PC hardware has moved. When the PS5 was released, it was enough to have a 2070 super/2080 to achieve the performance of the PS5, but the disadvantage was that for such a PC you paid twice as much as for the PS5. Today, you still pay 2.5x more for a PC with an RTX 4070 Super than for a console, but you also get 2.5x more performance.
@@jufi9748 Exactly.. It's obvious a lot of people commenting on this video do not get the point of the video.. I wonder anyway what all these gamingconsole "warriors" are doing here on this PC tech channel they obviously have no clue about.. I guess the video title and UA-cam algoritm must have pulled them in..
The most demanding setting in a game is resolution. Stop pushing those extreme resolutions and you will be shocked how much better 1080p high refresh feels like compared to 4k 60. To me 60fps feels like a stuttery mess when you've played 144hz+ for a year.
Really depends on the person. I take 1440p 90fps any day over 1080p 180fps
Talking about UE5, in Robocop DLSS and FSR are worse the TSR. There are way less artifacts when using TSR
Although that game still needs a lot of work in the bugs and optimization front
Would be nice to get a video that looks at per-dollar performance, because price for price though, it seems you're way better getting a PS5, or is there a similar priced PC build that can beat it?
At best you can build PC with ryzen 3600 and 3060, which will be comparable to PS5 - for 700 bucks. And you dont get DualSense for that price, which is 60 bucks.
This „midrange“ costs as much as two series x last month
Games nowadays performance to price ratio is getting bit blurry. Its not ultra settings but you still getting incredible visuals on a 3060/PS5 with a consistent frame rate. There a point where this arguement no longer matter it just turning into how willing u spending money for a relatively same experience.
if you think "lol, ps5 is half the performance" yes, because it costs half the price. You get the WHOLE System for ~550 eur vs ~650 eur only GPU.
Digital foundry calling mid range a 4070super.
I would like to remind everyone that PS5 sells for $450 with disc and controller (everyone seems to forget this thing), so the 4070 super alone costs 2 times more, a complete PC 4-5 times more, compared to a 4 year old console.
GPU that's more expensive than a PS5 is faster. I'm shocked. Also mid-range? What a story mark.
4070 is mid, PS5 is low-range.
It costs more than the console itself, Give your head a wobble sir. Can you play games on the gpu alone? No.
Decent video. Really highlights how 3-4x the cost of a $400 dig PS5 OG will net you a solid double the performance boost for 1440p users.
Are you still in 2020. Clearly, this gpu is 2x- 3x the ps5. My £170 can do everything ps5 does and plays a larger library of games+ emulators and A.I and more. Right now consoles cannot compete with pc maybe when ps6 comes they can lead for a year or two😂😂😂😂
Almost 4x with DLSS3 FG. Plus I only have to buy 1 console to play everything vs 2. So PC comes out way ahead here
@@moto6981I wonder what else it's compensating for lol
Now compare price & power draw cost.
Moving goalposts?
The 4070s is much more efficient than a ps5 o-o
@@link99912 Funny how you ignore the "price" ...
4070S = ~£600
PS5 = ~£370
An entire console Vs one component.
& The funniest part is that most people end up trading their fucking components anyway for a better version in roughly the same timescale that a console refreshed it's life cycle.
The biggest cost difference is for the online service access per year on playstation. Which is a no brainer cost when it means that I rarely encounter cheating scum in every multiplayer game like PC, & I don't have to worry about some fucked up driver update breaking a bunch of shit like with Nvidia.
You can literally Google prices.
@@WildfireX Its not that serious bro.
Building a new PC on Newegg with the specs DF is likely using for this video comes to $1300 US.
That is quite a 'midrange' machine. If you opt for a PS5 or Xbox for ~$500 you are likely going to get stuck with 30 fps from time to time. An alternative would be an AM4 machine that is still using DDR4 and a 4060 to game at 1440P for ~$750.
I find it interesting that DF stayed well clear of the cost numbers and just said "mid range PC is TWICE what a console is!!" They could have just made a video with an AM9 and a 4090 and said "WOW CONSOLES SUCK! Just don't look at our Newegg bill!" LOL
A bit more expensive in other markets, but with correct display resolution and setting gaming (and other many uses of a PC) can be very satisfactory for a price if sensible choices are made. But not all settings make sense from a quality point of view and much more is needed than ultra settings reviews flooding on youtube... DLAA or FSR AA native are not use in order to put bigger FPS numbers, while the number we will focusing on is Rendered Pixels per second, that video flow is the overall input we can get to our eyes that outputs from our system... that is pix/s = FPS * resoultionWidthINPixels * resolutionHeightInPixels.... nowadays any RTX 4060 is perfroming better or more efficiently on the 1440p to 2160p range than in 1080p or lower resolution and so happens in 4090 that are limited by cpus but also vram specs, pcie, lack of optimization of game code, etc...
midrange gpu at 600-700 still needs the rest of the pc
Nah , a 100$ CPU can beat the PS5, add 100$ for the mobo and you doubled PS5 perf for 800$
You don't need a case, you can place the PC in a cardboard box
You don't need a PSU either, you can connect the cables up your ass
RAM?? You can download that from the internet
Don't get mad at me, it was funnier in my head 😂
4070 super is mid range it's 600$ it's outrageous
600? more like 1000
1440p (Ultra or high settings) with DLSS Quality enabled is the way to go with this GPU for great looking graphics and high framerates.
1440p Is in general a great resolution to game on. Sharper than 1080p, but still very economical. With a decent card you get a great framerate (90+ often), even when setting graphical details to ultra.
Having to run games at 960p on brand new GPU is ridiculous imo. DLSS looks good when it's set to quality at 4k, giving you 1440p upscaled. Anything else looks too soft.
Although, I've seen Cyberpunk path tracing benchmarks, with DLSS quality, on a 4070ti super at 1440p, which still sees dips below 60.
So you either drop dlss to balanced, or you need a 4080 for a smooth 60fps experience, with path tracing at 1440p, at quality.
why would anyone with a 40 serise use dlss over dlss3? i dint realise you could swap aha
over clocked my ASUS TUF 4070TIS OC the other day! getting 2980mhz boost now its running 4k elden ring max ray tracing, mostly stable 60fps tho my g-sync oled tv makes up for any low frames above 50 so not really a issue, i dont get why people call the 4070TIS a 1440p card been running 4k in all my games, even fighting games like tekken 8 and street fighter 6 with only 6ms pc latency 16ms is 1 frame so cant even feel it, i see why most pros play on pc now
1. its a 500$ gpu. the whole console with CPU and SSD etc cost that.
2. but yes, we do need PS5 pro already.
I just picked up and installed a 4070 Super today. i am seeing good frame rate jumps and things feel smoother even coming from a 3070. I like this video comparison for the games i could play on my PS5 i should now play with almost double the frame rate on my PC.
@norrix420 it's a surprisingly fast and decent GPU. (imho) Happy Gaming! Cheers!
Just got a 3070 and I’m happy to hear that the 4070 super seems to be a nice upgrade coming from a previous owner of a 3070.
Damn my 3070 potato pc... 😅
When I built my first PC I had a 1070FE. $499. That was in 2017. That would be $630 today. That was a midrange card. Inflation is real even if you don't like it. That card could not play anything besides Minecraft and CS at 4k. For practically the same price this card can play every game in 4k, with medium setting and no DLSS at 60fps. I don't know why people are so angry that this is being called what it is: A card that fits between a 4060 and 4080.
4070 super mid-range?
For the same price I can buy a used car in my country.
10:55 DigitalShillFoundry compares a single component that costs 599 to a console and finds it to be better.
The PC does many things a console can't, so we can't expect total system prices to be close. The GPU is what really turns a PC in a "gaming rig," so it's fair to compare the GPU to the console of roughly equal price.
@@hartsickdisciplei bought my PC for gaming, im from the 90% of jobs that don't need a PC
@@ElPibePlay1000 Maybe PC isn't the best platform for you? Maybe consoles make more sense for you. If you only use a PC for gaming, you need to accept that you're going to pay a premium, but you're also going to get better performance and visuals.
@@hartsickdisciple i play on PS5, i bought a PC for my sisters, they like a decade+ old game, so i understand PC has its pros.
@@hartsickdisciple 1. we are talking gaming here, if you need something for desktop work just get a cheap laptop.
2. a gpu on it's own does nothing, if you already take a gpu for 599 your pc will end up costing double or triple the price of a console.
A 4070 super is mid range, these sell for an average of 1200 dollerydoos in my country. This is why I stopped buying them. I am enjoying my xbox.
For the cost of this card I could buy a ps5 and series s and enjoy most games without the stutter nightmare that is most modern PC gaming. Hopefully devs will be given the time and resources to resolve that this year 2024!!
Yeah, but you'd still have a console and still have to buy a PC for general use.
@@fcukugimmeausername PC gaming isn't as cheap as it used to be but having a modern gaming spec PC is awesome. I love it! And yes you can use PC as a tool not just for gaming. Its so cool to have a PC!
They say the RTX 2070 is the closest comparison to a PS5 GPU performance….
The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as a 4070 and the games are getting more demanding every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console.
The standards should be if the gpu can fit in a budget roughly that of console... Definitely can't do that with any card right now
Consoles generally don't make money, for the first year/year's. They make up the loss, by making money on games.
Graphics card maker's, don't make any extra money and don't have much in the way of margins. Nvidia is the only one that makes big bucks...
A $600 GPU isn't midrange. Nvidia wants to pretend like it is, but why are you helping them in such an awful goal?
You are wrong. It is midrange. Because its not the top of the line performer. 4090 sets out the bar for highrange cards. Period. Whether you can or can't afford a 600 usd gpu is a different story (I can't either btw,). DF is not helping Nvidia whatsoever. They are just pointing out the numbers in comparaison. And they are sad.
the Chip by itself is almost twice the price of the PS5 and its midrange?
Made a new 4070 computer this week, cost me 2k usd. Considering it's x4 the price of a ps5, I can only hope it delivers 2.5x the performance.
the 60 class is supposed to be the midrange. The 70 class is more upper mid lower high end.
No 60 is entry level.
70 was always mid range.
Name a time when the 70 was second best card Nvidia sold....
1060-1070-1080-1080ti
960-970-980-980ti
2060-2070-2080-2080ti
Etc etc
70 was always mid tier. Forever. Price does not determine it's tier, where it sits in relation to other cards does.
@@yanceyboyz no 50 is entry
50 is entry level
60 is lower end
70 is mid
80 is high
90/Titan is HALO product tier
Back when the 1070 was out, it was actually the 2nd most powerful graphics card. The naming schemes are at the whim of Nvidia, but the 4070 Super is right around the middle of their current product stack.
@@RicochetForce the 1070 had the 1080 and 1080ti above it....and everyone always knew the 1080ti was coming. You also forgot that titan was out too, meaning the 1070 was never second. 70s have always been mid tier.
@@dante19890 ok 50 is budget, but even if so. 50 entry. 60 low tier. 70 mid tier. Etc
Twice the performance with a GPU that costs more than the entire console.
USD 600 is "mid-range" for those that drive Bentley, not those that drive Honda.
thank you. Ultra setting benchmarketing has become such a gimmick that some down to earth testing is needed more every day. Videogames are an entertainment hobby not a FPS compteiton advertising to some corporations sell more through reviewers on the pay-roll... let's put some information betwees ads please...