We Need to Talk About This Star Wars Situation - SJU

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  • @fandomentertainment
    @fandomentertainment  6 років тому +218

    Thank you for watching our discussion and participating! We really appreciate it! Stay tuned later today for our indie movie roundup review plus we'll be back for Fan Friday on SJU tomorrow LIVE at 11 AM PST!
    One: Speak up and join the conversation- we encourage respectful debate.
    Two: Respect your community- racism, misogyny, homophobia and hate speech aren’t tolerated.
    Three: “Be nice.” - Dalton from Roadhouse

    • @fandomentertainment
      @fandomentertainment  6 років тому +32

      Her co-stars and director have come out specifically to support her and talk about online fan harassment as a response

    • @elias22443
      @elias22443 6 років тому +4

      CGM Show that's their problem

    • @moopara7991
      @moopara7991 6 років тому +8

      To be frank, I didn't like the last movie, and I didn't enjoy her character.
      That being said, she's an actor, she's just playing a character. She didn't deserve any of it. She even seems like a person I'd love to get to know.
      And I'm with Dan on the vocal minority.

    • @aeis3007
      @aeis3007 6 років тому +4

      I didn't know Daniel was a Paralegal, can she have a quick segment by herself or with someone on movie lawsuits?

    • @riazrahman
      @riazrahman 6 років тому +6

      Wow Roth & Roxy's stories were horrifying. I can't believe people take trolling that far. Keep creating ladies, I'm so sorry you've had these experiences.

  • @jimshmee
    @jimshmee 6 років тому +130

    Forever my favorite channel on UA-cam because YOU aren't afraid to tackle issues that permeate throughout the Media and Hollywood. Please never change.
    Peace and Love ✌️

  • @user-xb7uu9rn9v
    @user-xb7uu9rn9v 6 років тому +167

    I don't know how much many times I can say it but damn I love Screen Junkies. And I really love it when they talk about things like this because people are so quick to gloss over things like this. And here they are spending 40 minutes talking about this. Please never change.

  • @caitlin_w
    @caitlin_w 6 років тому +263

    Thank you Screen Junkies for using your platform to talk about this!!

  • @Colinmchapman
    @Colinmchapman 6 років тому +220

    I'm so tiered of having this conversation. And by that I mean, I'm so tiered of needing to have this conversation. Thank you, SJ Team, for continuing to have it.

    • @pyayaXC
      @pyayaXC 6 років тому +15

      I didn't realize how impacted by these problems the female members of SJU are. It's brought much meaningful context to ScreenJunkies' recent Women in Film event and their approach to video content as a whole. At least they're having this conversation so we as an audience don't have to (as frequently)!

    • @Colinmchapman
      @Colinmchapman 6 років тому

      As a ____ My Comment Means More Cheers!

    • @pyayaXC
      @pyayaXC 6 років тому

      As a ____ My Comment Means More, if you were refering to me, the I just edited my comment. Cheers buddy!

    • @Colinmchapman
      @Colinmchapman 6 років тому

      As a ____ My Comment Means More It wasn't. I'm a sloppy writer. But now that we've had all of this about it I can't go back and change it. It would ruin the fun.

  • @JoeCamp44
    @JoeCamp44 6 років тому +356

    This was a Fantastic panel and a very much needed discussion. There is no place for Racism, Sexism, or any form of Discrimination on any platform and it is not ok..

    • @Hellsing7747
      @Hellsing7747 6 років тому +2

      JoeCamp44 you can say that again

    • @JohnGoetzGaming
      @JohnGoetzGaming 6 років тому +2

      JoeCamp44 I haven’t seen anyone argue that it is other than those practicing it. Pretty clear that these are a few weirdos that have been publicly shamed

    • @Darclin17
      @Darclin17 6 років тому +8

      As a black man I want to agree, but I don't know how to square that with free speech. As much as I would love for Discrimination disappear I don't want it to take my right to say what I want to regardless of whether others think it's right, with it.

    • @2000rayc
      @2000rayc 6 років тому

      freedom of speech deal with it.

    • @greenlight5921
      @greenlight5921 6 років тому +11

      Having freedom doesn't mean you can walk up to someone and punch that person in the face. Having free speech doesn't mean you can hurt people with your words or incite violence.

  • @normancooper2762
    @normancooper2762 6 років тому +201

    Thanks for having this conversation, guys. We need to keep this dialogue going.

  • @kstepko
    @kstepko 6 років тому +84

    Thank you for having this discussion. Your willingness to tackle topics like this is the main reason I am a huge fan of Screen Junkies. I appreciate your ongoing efforts to make SJU a positive place where both debate AND respect are not only encouraged, but insisted on.

  • @battleupsaber462
    @battleupsaber462 6 років тому +323

    I like how some people have been saying "It's not her fault, the writers and directors are the problem!"
    Yes, as if harrassing Rian or anyone else for that matter, is any more acceptable.

    • @izyco80
      @izyco80 6 років тому +64

      BattleUp Saber Rian Johnson and a few others at Lucasfilms keep adding fuel to the fire by attacking people who did not like the movie. So unfortunately there are some fans who take things to the extreme as a response. The last transformers was complete and utter trash but the studio did not attack the fans hence there wasn't a toxic atmosphere like with star wars.

    • @wills.8662
      @wills.8662 6 років тому +43

      BattleUp Saber Seeing as how Rian Johnson talks back to "toxic fans" on Twitter without the self-awareness to wonder if so many people having issues with TLJ might be something he wrote...
      It's OK to engage him when he engages back.
      So yes criticism of Johnson *is much more acceptable* than Kelly Marie Tran.

    • @wills.8662
      @wills.8662 6 років тому +2

      ...than critism of Kelly Marie Tran

    • @Letodan71
      @Letodan71 6 років тому +27

      I do think that Rian Johnson decided to attack when he thought that enough was enough... you didn't like the movie, that's alright... but if you attack everybody around the movie saying that they are this and that and they ruined your existence because of a movie, I think you are having a mental problem. You are clearly not happy with your life and need to attack people to make you feel better about yourself... And at some point, Johnson felt that he needed to address this... But the thing is, you just feed the haters when you do that and you can't win... I think we will need a system someday on the internet so that people become accountable of what they say. Attacking people is not the solution...

    • @mnoir7257
      @mnoir7257 6 років тому +38

      Criticizing writers and directors is different than harassing them.

  • @MagickP00dle
    @MagickP00dle 6 років тому +267

    I'm just going to start an aggressive kindness campaign and take a few minutes a day to say nice shit to people on social media.

    • @redfox7497
      @redfox7497 6 років тому +18

      Hey you! Have a good day! ❤

    • @MagickP00dle
      @MagickP00dle 6 років тому +11

      syarifah hanyna You too!

    • @Snow-ds2ud
      @Snow-ds2ud 6 років тому +2

      MagickP00dle The Right is already doing this. It is a tactic utilizing compulsory happiness, comparative suffering, and false equivalence. It is a tactic they use to evade a substantive debate about the status quo and ongoing issues, by essentially derailing one's argument and turning the topic into whether or not you are a positive person. It is disingenuous.

    • @lynbaker7780
      @lynbaker7780 6 років тому +8

      MagickP00dle even when you try to do something nice, somebody is going gripe. Please stay positive!

    • @MagickP00dle
      @MagickP00dle 6 років тому +7

      Snow thats not the point. The point is, the negative are always the loudest. It's the fact that people aren't treated as people and everything's a bummer right now. Making one person smile for a second by taking the effort to say something kind to them is way harder than attacking them and ruining their day.

  • @kinglatifahh
    @kinglatifahh 6 років тому +28

    I love Dan Murrell. Dude has the best outlook on everything.

  • @fionacavalier
    @fionacavalier 6 років тому +38

    i didn't like the whole finn/rose adventure story-line in last jedi. But that hadn't nothing to do with actress abilities or physical appearance. I actually enjoyed watching her do press for the movie cos she came across very likable and happy to be there. I would be just as happy watching her in future movies outside of star wars. I just don't think that character suited the tone of the movie and when it kept cutting back to their story it took me out of it little.

  • @AmandaBorowski
    @AmandaBorowski 6 років тому +123

    Thank you so much for taking the time to discuss this very important issue. I know you could be talking about things that could get you more views, but it means a lot to me (and I sure to other fans as well) that you care so much about protecting everyone’s voices, especially women’s. Also, to Danielle, Roxy, and Roth I love seeing you three on a panel together and the three of you plus Dan make for a great conversation! I will always be proud to support this channel and I hope nothing but the best for them in the future.

    • @fandomentertainment
      @fandomentertainment  6 років тому +7

      Thank you for watching we appreciate it!

    • @Ronariverah
      @Ronariverah 6 років тому

      +

    • @Glaaki13
      @Glaaki13 6 років тому

      but it to late! If they were strong they would have done something sooner

  • @slytherin_effchen5190
    @slytherin_effchen5190 6 років тому +96

    A really good, thought provoking show today. I'm one of those people that usually stay away from the comment section because I don't want to feed the trolls, but I often just read through it. And it saddens me to see all the hate and anger. I never understood, why people have to attack others for their opinions. When I don't like a movie, I don't watch it and I don't pay for it, but that doesn't mean, that others can't love it. For example I really loved The Last Jedi, watched it three times in the cinema, but that doesn't mean, I can't understand the criticisms. For me they just don't weigh as much or take away my enjoyment of the film. But than I go to social media and this wave of hate greets me and I don't understand why people are so mean. I feel really sorry for Kelly and I completely understand, why she did that. Sadly there is little we can do.
    But anyways, really good show today. I love you guys so much. You always sweeten my day and you are awesome people. Happy to see Roxy and Danielle, you are the best. You are powerful women and a shining light for the rest of us. Keep the good work up. And of course Roth and Dan, always with the heart and the fun and the understanding. Our opinions of movies often clash, but that doesn't mean you are wrong, just different and that is alright. Love you.

    • @fandomentertainment
      @fandomentertainment  6 років тому +8

      Thank you for watching and sharing!

    • @hideH1975
      @hideH1975 6 років тому +4

      My exact thoughts!!!! Every word!!
      Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts!
      I’m truly sadden about Kelly, I wish there was a way for her to know how much she is truly loved as a fellow human being.
      The SW drama today reminds me of all the hate Hayden C. was given playing Anakin.
      Thank you SJNews for discussing and sharing your own experiences.
      Much love!!!

    • @roseviolet1
      @roseviolet1 6 років тому +2

      slytherin thank you for this. I agree and I'm glad other people like you speak out. We need more people like you.

  • @pyayaXC
    @pyayaXC 6 років тому +15

    Shout out to Comments Guy (i.e. ScreenJunkies News) for reading comments chronologically rather than by popularity! Most content creators don't bother to screen/support their comments section as well as you guys!

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 6 років тому

      But really they don't screen these comments well, or at all most of the time..

  • @eshna2012
    @eshna2012 6 років тому +20

    I get my entertainment news from multiple UA-cam channels, but it’s episodes and discussions like these that make Screen Junkies feel like family to me. I have so much ❤️ for you four and the rest of the crew. Truly, critical analytic thinking and empathy are two values I’ve always believed should be formally taught from kindergarten.

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 6 років тому +2

      There are many reasons why critical thinking, in depth analysis and empathy *are not* usually taught in any public schools. Mostly because governments fear a fully informed and thoughtful population.

  • @tlaw9540
    @tlaw9540 6 років тому +50

    45 minute discussion on toxic fandom and online harassment by entertainment media professionals I love? Yes please. More think piece episodes like this please! Loved your thoughts and hearing you guys discuss this I think helps a lot of people

  • @StewartFletcher
    @StewartFletcher 6 років тому +286

    This whole situation was literally sickened me. It makes me feel physically ill. Especially with Star Wars. These "fans" bullied Jake Lloyd into quiting school. Bullied George Lucas into hating his own creation and legacy. Bullied Daisy Ridley. Bullied Rian Johnson. Bullied Kathleen Kennedy. And now have bullied Kelly Marie Tran. It's disgusting and I'm sick of it

    • @lucasisking
      @lucasisking 6 років тому +31

      Well said. Sums it up. I've never been ashamed to be a star wars fan...until now.

    • @JohnGoetzGaming
      @JohnGoetzGaming 6 років тому +4

      He’s all “me me me” isn’t he?

    • @afanofpeanuts7381
      @afanofpeanuts7381 6 років тому +10

      It's so true. It's actually gone way too far.

    • @Devilsblood
      @Devilsblood 6 років тому +38

      I agree, liking star wars isn't cool anymore. I don't blame Disney, I blame the fans. They put the series so high on the pedestal, that you can't see what it is that they want. A lot of haters told me off for liking the Last Jedi. They didn't just say "Oh well I was a little disappointed" no it was "are you stupid or something?", I mean what the hell is wrong with them?

    • @afanofpeanuts7381
      @afanofpeanuts7381 6 років тому +21

      I love TLJ.

  • @reyskywaka3202
    @reyskywaka3202 6 років тому +8

    There are countless comments here that are like "I didn't like her character in the movie, preformance sucked and she ruined tlj. But I don't think she should be harassed" yes she shouldn't be harassed but Idk why you're bringing in your criticisms of tlj into this. It's not appropriate for the situation at all.

  • @harshivmahajan5311
    @harshivmahajan5311 6 років тому +39

    Dan shouldn't question whether movie fights is something that is contributing to this. Movie fights is a nice open platform where you can express your movie opinions (within a given time frame, which is important) with the chance to listen to opposing opinions and give them logical refutations. The topic of this video is just people letting their love of certain intellectual properties overpower their sense of humanity and compassion and it is really sad that this has probably managed to taint Kelly Marie Tran's experience of being part of the Star Wars Universe

    • @slytherin_effchen5190
      @slytherin_effchen5190 6 років тому +2

      Did you watch the older shows? It used to be very different. People screaming at each other. Sometimes it really looked like they hated each other.

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 6 років тому

      slytherian , Dan covered the Movie Fights.. theatricality overacting their "opinions". What he didn't mention is that the former "moderator" (Andy whatshisname) also acted to play up the disagreement and drama, for clicks.

  • @samrivers4344
    @samrivers4344 6 років тому +22

    Danielle's point about people being shocked about the negative backlash if very important!! Minorities like people of color, queer people, women and people that don't have a certain physique get the worst of those hate comments and as Dan said too white cis men are now realizing and experiencing that this is a part of the whole social media issue. I just hope as a bigger, open minded society we can move past this stage of aggression and divisiveness and you guys so openly discussing it is one step into the right direction I think! Thanks for that! :)

  • @emmaindelicato8378
    @emmaindelicato8378 6 років тому +139

    Danielle is such an icon

  • @Mads97415
    @Mads97415 6 років тому +7

    I think the worst thing about TLJ is the hatred that it just seemed to get out of fans that they feel the need to go and attack people that have a different opinion, or attack (not criticize) the actors, producers, director and all of those people just because they didn't like it. I personally loved TLJ, but I get why some people really didn't like it and that is ok. People need to chill out. It is just a movie. If you don't like it, just go watch the old trilogy, you can get them all on blu-ray or on iTunes right now!

  • @Heartsapien
    @Heartsapien 6 років тому +13

    Thank you for having this discussion. It's exhausting even as a passsive observer seeing this kind of stuff happening and hearing your stories, I can't even imagine how it feels. I think online harassment today is a symptom of a larger societal problem where we've all been kind of slowly isolated over the last 15+ years. You can pick a news channel that will talk about what you want to hear, read a website that only covers what you like, go to a school that excludes certain subjects, etc. This atmosphere of a subjective world, tailored to our interests just puts us further into our bubbles and cuts off civil discourse.
    It's always been frustrating to me when an app or site filters content for me because I don't know what I don't know or what I might want to learn about. So some of it is on these platforms like you all were talking about.
    As for solutions, talking about these issues is a great start just to get people thinking about it. Intentionally seeking people out that have a different opinion or perspective (preferably in person) and just talking to them has been helpful in my own experience because it does add that human element back into it. Ok I'm just rambling now, but anyone who reads this I hope you have a good day!

  • @thecoolestguyinthecomments178
    @thecoolestguyinthecomments178 6 років тому +160

    Sometimes I think people nowadays take movies way too seriously, specifically Star Wars. Movies about wizards in space should not be as unnecessarily toxic as it is. I feel sorry for some of them tbh, they need to do find something else to do in their lives.

    • @pcbassoon3892
      @pcbassoon3892 6 років тому +28

      thecoolestguyinthecommentsection Honestly, Star Wars fans have really ruined Star Wars for me. I think the whole fandom culture has ruined a lot of things.

    • @thecoolestguyinthecomments178
      @thecoolestguyinthecomments178 6 років тому +15

      "Good" is subjective. Lots of people love the new movies. The universe doesn't revolve around you.

    • @pcbassoon3892
      @pcbassoon3892 6 років тому +12

      Matt B It is a movie. It is art. Art has always expressed opinions. You don't have to like the movie, but why should you have to get so angry about it. You are the problem. You are getting angry because YOU DIDN'T LIKE A MOVIE. You need to take a look at your life. If a movie is really that important to you, you live a very sad life.

    • @thecoolestguyinthecomments178
      @thecoolestguyinthecomments178 6 років тому +7

      And Matt B has smartly decided to delete his comment because he knows he's wrong.

    • @ianbailey6592
      @ianbailey6592 6 років тому +2

      I've been a SW fan for years now, but I struggle with it. Not because I don't enjoy the material or I've grown fatigued, but the community has become less about enjoying the material and more about bashing it without even trying and just cynical circle-jerking. I don't resent anyone who has a differing opinion or taste, I just don't like how this negativity is omnipresent. I go to check out a new Star Wars book review or some new nugget of lore, people are complaining about the new movie. If you want to vent your feelings or opinions, fine, do it in the appropriate sub reddit or youtube comment secyion or whatever.
      If you want to see the Star Wars fandom at it's worst, check out r/saltierthancrait. It's a subreddit entirely dedicated to compiling complaints about the new movies and is a place where people vent their frustration, and it has some of the silliest complaints I've ever seen.

  • @trooperjj
    @trooperjj 6 років тому +22

    Nobody hates star wars more than star wars fans

  • @patrickmccabe2078
    @patrickmccabe2078 6 років тому +34

    The DC Marvel fanboy nonsense is ridiculous too. What happened to liking both. I feel bad for Kelly Marie Tran. I wasn't a big fan of her character but what makes people attack a person because you didnt like a movie. Its insane

    • @DisasterArtist1997
      @DisasterArtist1997 6 років тому +4

      patrick mccabe DC right now makes it very difficult to like them

  • @sansfi
    @sansfi 6 років тому +66

    People in the comment section discussing the flaws of the movie: This is NOT ABOUT THE MOVIE.

    • @Candyqueen3211
      @Candyqueen3211 5 років тому

      FarnsworthIII congrats! You completely missed the point

  • @TheMRalex1993
    @TheMRalex1993 6 років тому +6

    I'm usually someone who watches a lot of UA-cam but almost never leave a comment. But I want to be part of turning this around. So I'm going to start leaving a positive comment instead of just moving on to the next video. I encourage other people like me to start doing the same.
    So with that I'll say: thank you guys for this great discussion and all the work you do. You have brought me many hours of great entertainment and interesting thoughts. Please don't ever stop.
    PS. Please bring back Flick Bait. Or at least a version of it.

  • @jake_a.lien_
    @jake_a.lien_ 6 років тому +8

    It's funny how the Internet has actually made communication even more difficult for everyone...

  • @Sharpe1502
    @Sharpe1502 6 років тому +25

    I was so happy for Tran. She was crying at the premier because she was so happy. People seem to ignore the fact that this was her first movie ever and she did great for a first movie. Look how much Ridley grew from the Force Awakens to Last Jedi. Tran has a bright future ahead of her and I hope she gets a lot of love from fans in real life.

    • @Crisscross918
      @Crisscross918 6 років тому +1

      People ignore that it's Rian Johnson is to blame for this, not Tran. He's the one that did a disservice to old characters (Luke), fresh characters (Finn), and new characters (Rose) alike. It's super tragic. I bet Hayden Christensen was PUMPED at the opportunity play Young Darth Vader, but he was handed a shitty script just like Tran was.

    • @demisor9701
      @demisor9701 6 років тому

      Shitty actress and a shitty movie.

    • @Crisscross918
      @Crisscross918 5 років тому

      @Delsur27 He supervised the script, thus if people liked it, it would be his victory, but if people didn't like it, it would be his fault. Every action someone does results in consequences or rewards. No such thing as free responsibility.

    • @Crisscross918
      @Crisscross918 5 років тому

      @Delsur27 Yeah no one's saying he should go to jail for negligence or endangerment. But if people want to say that his script was dogshit, that's his responsibility to bear.

    • @Crisscross918
      @Crisscross918 5 років тому

      @Delsur27 If someone is willing to accept praise and rewards from their successes, then they should also be willing to endure criticism for their failures.

  • @El_oh7199
    @El_oh7199 6 років тому +4

    The sad thing is people seem to lose empathy for others when they go online.
    We're all just humans with opinions and feelings that can be hurt.
    Years ago I sent an email to an AP movie critic and I think i was critical to the man on a personal level. He emailed me back and called me out on my behavior. He made me realize I didn't have to be a jerk to someone to make my opinion known. I apologized to him and articulated point in a more constructive manner.
    I am glad he called me out on my crappy behavior and it's a shame we can't get everyone to be more aware of how they communicate online.

  • @parkerhaller4738
    @parkerhaller4738 6 років тому +199

    God I love Screen Junkies

    • @Blizofoz45
      @Blizofoz45 6 років тому

      Couldn't finish the whole video so I was wondering if the toxic sexism in The Last Jedi was addressed in the panel?

  • @daniej125
    @daniej125 6 років тому +3

    People excuse harassment with free speech, and it's insidious. You have free will, you can physiologically say anything you want, but we here in society have agreed that you're not allowed to harass people and infringe upon other people's physical and mental health. That people feel like they have a right to try to destroy other people's lives is dangerous and it's something that we need to take a stand against. Harassment is not free speech. Harassment is an assault.and assault is a morally and legally wrong. We must remember that.

  • @wjf3232
    @wjf3232 6 років тому +71

    I really enjoyed this discussion. Great job guys!

  • @ScrubmanLowell
    @ScrubmanLowell 6 років тому +2

    I’ll never forget when I was bullied for loving Star Wars. Basically, I was with a special needs group. We were discussing Star Wars. And they were bashing the Prequels and George Lucas. I told them I love George Lucas and admire him for inspiring me to be a filmmaker. And they laughed in my face and told me “I’m sucking George Lucas’ c***.” This was Back in 2014. Back during the Episode VII hype. That experience traumatized me so much. I got upset every time I heard about Star Wars. The experience made me want to stop being a fan. Not only that, but it made me consider taking my own life. I just had all the joy taken away from me.
    I understand not liking a movie or a character. But that is no excuse to bully ANYONE! Those “fans” who bullied Kelly Marie Tran should be ashamed!

  • @nicoleymcquack9785
    @nicoleymcquack9785 6 років тому +79

    I'm so glad you guys talked about this and at length and I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on the subject if you do ever decide to elaborate at some point. When I was fourteen or so I was very "protective" of some fandoms I was apart of, not to the extreme lengths that some people in the Star Wars fandom are but I was very quick to voice my opinions and "attack" people who would say a bad word about the thing I loved, on one hand you can somewhat empathise with the people who are upset about some things and I can absolutely understand the feeling of "owning" a certain franchise and someone changing it so dramatically can feel like a personal attack, but having grown up and matured I can 100% see how wrong it is to take ownership of a public property that I had no hand in creating therefore have no right to feel attacked or offended because it wasn't what I wanted. Movies aren't like a personal service to you, they aren't the waitress that accidentally spilled your drink on you or acted unprofessionally therefore warranting a complaint to the manager, movies are like a painting, if you like it, you compliment the artist and enjoy its beauty, if you don't like it you move on to another painting that you do like, you wouldn't try to make the artist feel worthless because their own personal art wasn't to your taste, you just wouldn't.
    To all the people who didn't like The Last Jedi or Kelly Marie Tran, don't watch the movie, don't engage in the media surrounding it, you literally have free will, you can just move on. Preferred Empire Strikes Back? Go watch that instead and leave people alone.

    • @JohnGoetzGaming
      @JohnGoetzGaming 6 років тому +1

      Nicole B uh hold on a sec. first of all it’s fine to dislike a performance or certain aspects of a movie. Doesn’t mean that you NEVER want to watch any part of it again. It’s just when racism and such gets involved or personal insults for someone who none of us know personally that it goes over the edge. People debate which Star Wars movies they like all the time and before TLJ it never really got to this vitriolic level

    • @nicoleymcquack9785
      @nicoleymcquack9785 6 років тому +5

      Son Goku I never said that people can NEVER watch that movie again, I mean that the people who decide to be so toxic about a movie that they hated then they are more than welcome to just move on rather than ruin the movie for everyone else and harassing the people involved. People are entitled to express their opinions whether they are positive or negative, but anything hurtful or abusive is just unnecessary when they are perfectly capable of removing themselves from a certain community of a movie/franchise that they no longer like. If they disliked a movie but still want to rewatch it and interact with its fandom then that's fine so long as they keep any and all toxic behaviour out of it. Everyone knows that the Star Wars fandom has been like this forever but maybe now is the time to call them out on it because no matter how long they've been doing it, it doesn't make it any more right or acceptable.

    • @JohnGoetzGaming
      @JohnGoetzGaming 6 років тому +5

      Nicole B well I never argued for toxic fandom was just pointing out the wording there in the first comment. I think we agree that if more people who dislike last Jedi acted like dan does about it the world would be a better place. And if more people who liked it acted like Ken Napzok or several others who don’t go around calling people stupid for not liking it the world would be a better place

    • @nicoleymcquack9785
      @nicoleymcquack9785 6 років тому +4

      Son Goku yes I do agree, I just get so frustrated when people don't stop to consider that what they say actually affects other people. Sorry if I seemed like I was attacking, I kind of went on a tangent trying to clear up what I meant.

    • @JohnGoetzGaming
      @JohnGoetzGaming 6 років тому +1

      Nicole B after all the stuff they just talked about trust me I won’t mistake a rebuttal for an attack. I hope nothing I said came off as an attack. Unfortunately like they said about opinions in this video we now have to state things that should be obvious or implied. Oh well like dan said not feeding into the hate helps dispel it

  • @seriliaykilel
    @seriliaykilel 6 років тому +1

    THANK YOU SCREEN JUNKIES for having this conversation! Could not be more important or timely -- civility in discourse needs to be a priority for everyone on social media.
    Dan - don't worry about the Dan Rants. You never cross the line of dissing people rather than ideas. Passionate even angry discussion of ideas is not the problem: it's when it turns into personalized attacks and intransigence that we are in trouble.
    Danielle - you're bravery and non apologetic attitude going into different forums "give them 2 weeks and they'll love me" is freaking epic! Love how you are proud of who you are and what your value is - it's inspiring!
    Roth and Roxie -- always fabulous to listen to the two of you. Ever articulate on a very difficult issue so hurray!!

  • @geminigrrl66
    @geminigrrl66 6 років тому +6

    I'm a 52 year old Star Wars fan. It was bad enough hearing about Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christensen being attacked for playing a role. Now it's just freaking ridiculous and I am disgusted at how toxic something I've loved ever since I saw A New Hope at the Egyptian Theater back in 1977 has gotten hijacked by entitled fanboys who have been fed a steady diet of "nerd/geek spaces only belong to US". We female and non-white nerds/geeks have ALWAYS existed, even if we didn't show up to conventions or wear our nerdom outwardly. Sorry, not sorry but the world is changing and it's okay if everything isn't centered around 18 to 35 year old white guys. As a lifelong nerd, I didn't rant and rave that Luke Skywalker didn't "represent me" because he was a white guy. His desire for adventure, his idealism and naivete DID represent me, as it probably did with a lot of kids (and adults). And, he was kind of cute, lol. On the other hand, it was also great to discover Storm, who not only shared my skin color, but the feeling of being an outsider. Both of those feelings were valid. This is why the media has such power. Can you imagine how different things would be if we'd had a truly inclusive media from day one? As far as Kelly Marie Tran, I'm so sad that something she was excited about to the point of sheer giddiness, has been cruelly taken from her by a bunch of small-minded keyboard warriors who'd never say those things to her in real life. Now, have I liked EVERYTHING about every Star Wars film? No. But I'm not going to act like a butthurt jerkwad because of that. I just write fanfiction, lol. Lastly, I just need to get this off my chest: I am SO tired of this endless bitching about "feminists and SJW's". If someone's criticism of the franchise begins or even contains those phrases, I already know they're not interested in another point of view. "Forced diversity" is another phrase that makes me go red with rage. These people don't even realize just how socialized they are to view only one kind of hero/heroine. Anyway, I'm glad this discussion with actual thoughtful and diverse fans exist. I had to scrub my UA-cam notifications of all the entitled fanboy rantings. Not sorry for that either.

  • @kimkl1
    @kimkl1 6 років тому +113

    Nice debate you guys this is an issue we should all Think about.
    Think before you write.
    Words has consequences.

    • @cvinco6738
      @cvinco6738 6 років тому +4

      Debate? lol

    • @zouadailyas8122
      @zouadailyas8122 6 років тому +4

      I think you mean circle jerk.

    • @valkaria19
      @valkaria19 6 років тому +1

      yeah debate. debate is when everyone agrees with everything

  • @grahamcann1761
    @grahamcann1761 6 років тому +7

    Danielle, Roth, and Roxy you, like Kelly Marie Tran, are lovely, wonderful people who I appreciate even when I don't agree with you and I thank you. (Dan... you too, but I wrote this comment to support the ladies.)

  • @jameswebb8162
    @jameswebb8162 6 років тому +1

    I just watched your video on What happened to Rose and I am so proud to be a member of Screen Junkies!!! I am so proud to be a part of an organization that speaks out on what's happening to America and the world in regards to free speech and equal rights!! Just the other day I was telling a friend how it scared me as a father raising my son who is eight in a world that exists today. But, watching and hearing what you said in the video I truly believe their is hope for a better tomorrow!! Thank you Screen Junkies and keep up the Awesome work!!! James-USAF Disabled Veteran

  • @TheAtlasgod
    @TheAtlasgod 6 років тому +12

    Removing herself from a toxic environment was a healthy move. What better way to stay exposed to terrible people than stay connected. Good move on Kelly's part.

  • @elizabethsudkamp942
    @elizabethsudkamp942 6 років тому +2

    Dan, at ~31:00, when you explained your viewpoint of the people who don't know anything other than social media, you basically verbalized a lot of ideas that I've been mulling over in the back of my mind. Thank you!

  • @LaurenReads
    @LaurenReads 6 років тому +12

    I stay out of comment sections usually, but just wanted to say thank you for always being a platform for good and using your voices to spread reason and logic and all the good things missing from most of the internet. I love you guys! Your shows are my favorite part of the day :)

  • @nohbuddy1
    @nohbuddy1 6 років тому +185

    Fans need to get a life. No such thing as "ruining your childhood".

    • @alfredogonzalez9420
      @alfredogonzalez9420 6 років тому +3

      most of them are kids they have no life thats why they harras people online

    • @dustinosborn4068
      @dustinosborn4068 6 років тому +12

      Dean Waller it’s a movie, a made primarily for children movie, move on.

    • @HTHAWK93
      @HTHAWK93 6 років тому

      alfredo gonzalez a lot of them are young adults and that's the worst part

    • @craigharris41
      @craigharris41 6 років тому +7

      James Roa thats because a majority of the customers liked the movie. So are they supposed too cater to a minority of loud mouth 😢 babies because they didn't like it

    • @Provigilman
      @Provigilman 6 років тому +8

      AmericanNohbuddy ™
      Yeah man. I HATED the prequels, but I never went around telling George Lucas running or raping my childhood. He base some movies I didn't like, so I didn't buy them and watch them multiple times after seeing them in theaters, and of story.

  • @djcprod
    @djcprod 6 років тому +15

    I don’t usually comment but I just wanted to give some love to you all. You’ve given me stuff to watch every day for years and I appreciate what you guys do. Haters are unfortunately the loudest group because good people just don’t have the energy to deal with them.

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 6 років тому +1

      It's when "good people" don't *make* the energy to confront the bad, that evil flourishes.

  • @windyventure
    @windyventure 6 років тому +1

    The see you next Tuesday analogy blew my mind. This was a great conversation but I’m left utterly depressed about it. My UA-cam channel is growing and it just gets meaner and meaner in the comments... shit is fucked uppppp. I love you guys so much btw thank you so much for all that you do ❤️

  • @SINGHDASLAYA
    @SINGHDASLAYA 6 років тому +12

    It isn't Kelly Marie Tran's fault that TLJ insulted Star Wars fandom. If someone wants to voice frustration they should complain in a restrained manner to the Movie studio or company that allowed it to be distributed. I personally didn't like the Rose character however it doesn't mean I will track down the actress and blame her for delivering dialogue written for her by someone else. People can be stupid at times!

  • @Lilpandapaw
    @Lilpandapaw 6 років тому +3

    Thank you for keeping this a relevant topic. It's too easy to gloss over the declining lack of respect, responsibility, and empathy in social media and frankly, in the world. It's too easy to become dulled and to say, "just ignore it," "leave social media," "get a thicker skin..." blah blah blah. It's too easy to be complacent. It's too easy to blame the victim. It's a lot more difficult to be introspective and really examine how each of us an individual may (intentionally or not) be promoting this atmosphere, and what we can learn and evolve collectively as a society. It's also a lot more difficult to step up and discuss the abuse you've been dealt with in the media - kudos to Roth, Roxy and Danielle. Kudos also to Dan for acknowledging that as a white male, he will never experience half the crap that others receive. At least you all give me hope that this society isn't always finding a way to lower that bottom line.

  • @Evelyn_Okay
    @Evelyn_Okay 6 років тому +3

    Just b/c I didn't like Rose or her weird "side quest," I'm proud they put someone like Kelly in that leading role. I saw a pic of her crying with joy at a premier b/c a young Asian girl cosplayed as her character

  • @PalmadorVideo
    @PalmadorVideo 6 років тому +6

    Such a great discussion!
    What Dan said about the overall discord about people being inside their own heads, and Roth's statement about people identifying with their opinions and the fear that they, as a person, is wrong, was soooo on point.
    I've so often not wanted to give constructive criticism bc I'm thinking that person already gets enough shit and don't wanna throw anything that could seem negative. I get really conflicted about it.

  • @trekjudas
    @trekjudas 6 років тому +4

    Being a nerd used to mean being smart (and maybe a little socially awkward) Now it means being a visious online bully!

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 6 років тому +1

      Nobody bullies better than someone that has experienced bullying, would seem to be the way things have turned.

  • @thetreeshaker4143
    @thetreeshaker4143 6 років тому +2

    Guys, Im 25 and I love my starwars, my Tolkien, my power rangers, etc. when people are online bullying or spreading hateful comments what do us others do? I’ve been stressing and realize I have been feeding trolls trying to confront the hate, not spread it and stand up for the others being bullied. It’s to the point where it’s got in my head and although I don’t believe “ ruining my childhood” is a real thing, it’s tainted my fandom because I don’t feel like that community is what it’s supposed to be. Just my two cents

  • @samrivers4344
    @samrivers4344 6 років тому +8

    This just makes me sad. Hearing about Roths experience had me especially shocked because I think the is one of the most likable people on the interwebs... I don't think that deleting your social media is the solution, but I understand why one would do that in this situation. I don't think that people that harass someone online or in real life do it because of their fandom, I think they have a bigger mental problem then just not liking a performance. I'm pretty sure people like that use social media as an outlet for their anger about their own life.

  • @jjenen2010
    @jjenen2010 6 років тому +11

    Longtime SJ Fan.
    Roth: I only listened to IGN podcasts/videos because I cared about your opinion. I was so excited when I heard you were coming to the SJ community. Extremely disappointed that certain individuals were so incredibly rude to you. I have experienced ugliness as well and I know the difficulty of pushing through. You are one of my favorite reviewers and I hope that you continue to express your opinion unfiltered.
    Roxy and Danielle: I have not followed you as long as Roth, but I love your opinion and I feel bad you have been barraged with negativity. I love it when you guys are on SJU and love listening to you guys.
    I never take the time to comment on the videos you guys post and am sorry I do not add more positivity to your wonderful opinions. Keep it up guys. I’m apologize that 1/10 of the people out there give you a metaphorical punch in the face. Just know that you really improve the other 9/10 of our lives.

  • @Gaydunaway
    @Gaydunaway 6 років тому +4

    This was a mature and well reasoned argument for more compassion and empathy. I’ve never commented on a UA-cam video before despite being a long time fan, out of the fear you describe in participating in what can be a really hateful space. But that early point about the trolls taking up so much oxygen and attention has inspired me to chime in. More voices need to speak up for civility.

  • @XCCF2011
    @XCCF2011 6 років тому +2

    You guys are fantastic, I am so proud of what Screen Junkies is right now. Thank you for taking the time to discuss issues like this.

  • @alicec.ravenwood511
    @alicec.ravenwood511 6 років тому +4

    "Well, it's the Internet. The Internet has always been like this," shouldn't be a viable excuse. Being physically threatened with violence or sexual assault or bodily harm is a crime in the real world, but online it's not. If a park was an unsafe place, would you sit there and just say, "Well that park has always been like that," or would you try to change something about it. They're not just trolls anymore. These are people who know what they're doing is terrorizing another person and they DO. NOT. CARE. If the Internet has always been like this, then let's change it

    • @mhawang8204
      @mhawang8204 6 років тому +2

      ^^ This. We should not accept the status quo just because. Why can't we aspire to do better?

  • @SerferTJ
    @SerferTJ 6 років тому +64

    Thank you for being courageous enough to bring up this topic! Sometime “fandoms” really need to re-evaluate themselves.

    • @user-xb7uu9rn9v
      @user-xb7uu9rn9v 6 років тому +8

      Elliott Trout taking a definitive stance on anything, especially when they've spent the whole video talking about the backlash they receive when they do take a stance, is courageous

    • @SamtheCanuck
      @SamtheCanuck 6 років тому +2

      SerferTJ that would work if it was everyone in the whole Star Wars Fandom however if it’s a very vocal 5-10% minority it’s not the whole fandom with an issue it’s a small minority. I don’t know a solution I’m a Star Wars fan I didn’t like TLJ at the same time it’s a movie I moved on shortly after as I have work, kids, pets and life to worry about. I didn’t like TLJ so I avoided Solo as I express myself with my wallet. Unfortunately this group of insane fanatics have lost touch with reality.

    • @joanliang7329
      @joanliang7329 6 років тому +5

      Elliott Trout Roth, Roxy, and Danielle literally just described how they have received DEATH THREATS, racial slurs, and had their social security number spread publicly. They talked at length about how people fear for their families. Yes, it's courageous. They are risking all of those things happening again, so that there could be a discussion.

    • @SerferTJ
      @SerferTJ 6 років тому

      Samuel M Cohen then the best solution I can give is calling out those people you see making these out-of-line remarks. If you see one of your friends attacking an actor online or out loud or a fictional movie character, just tell em to knock it off and get over it like you apparently did.

  • @richardrowan4061
    @richardrowan4061 6 років тому +3

    I think you are all beautiful, insightful, intelligent, funny people. I really appreciate the joy you bring to the SJU and me every day. Thank you.

  • @chamashadissanayake536
    @chamashadissanayake536 6 років тому +2

    I hate when things like this happen, but your conversations are so open and honest, it gives me a little hope.

  • @kstepko
    @kstepko 6 років тому +14

    I was so scared that Roth was about to say Kelly Marie Tran “took her own life”. Bullying kills! I am so sad - but in no way surprised - to hear about the negative comments the SJU ladies have received. Think about the real human being you are talking about when you make a comment. Critique ideas. Debate opinions. Show respect to other commenters, who are fellow fans, and to actors, who are giving you the gift of their talent. You don’t have to like everything or everyone - but don’t spread hate.

  • @khailephd
    @khailephd 6 років тому +2

    Much needed discussion. We need to be able to disagree without attacking people on reasons that are outside of their control

  • @gatsu718
    @gatsu718 6 років тому +4

    Shame people just can't agree to disagree anymore, Their opinion no matter how trivial has become a personal attack if someone doesn't share it, Again Dan said pretty much what i've been thinking lately. Great discussion.

  • @dstizzle04
    @dstizzle04 6 років тому +1

    We live in a society that can't seem to disagree in a civil manner. I'm very pleased that you guys are opening up about this.

  • @bailey2001
    @bailey2001 6 років тому +34

    I love your brain Roth 😁

  • @sppsports2449
    @sppsports2449 6 років тому +1

    No one likes bullying. But what's the aim of this? To ban every single person who says a bad word against someone? The more censorship that's included, the less people use a platform. The less censorship, the more popular it is.

  • @VigilantKnight005
    @VigilantKnight005 6 років тому +3

    I didn't even think about the toxic fandom of Star Wars until learning about audiences being divided over "The Last Jedi". Now I know how much flack actors and actresses are getting on social media, too.

  • @erica708
    @erica708 6 років тому +2

    I’ve had multiple this week argue to me that opinions are facts because it is a fact that it is that person’s opinion. When we can’t tell the difference between fact and opinion, we lose all ability to communicate.

  • @JoeCamp44
    @JoeCamp44 6 років тому +108

    Yay Roxy !!!!

  • @dholsonfamily
    @dholsonfamily 6 років тому +1

    I am glad that SJ address these topics. The world needs more love. I cannot help but think back to the unbelievable tragedy that occurred when a milkman gunned down several girls in the Amish community. This horrific event - which is incomparably worse than someone making a movie that "ruins your childhood"- even if it literally did ruin your childhood - was met by the Amish with forgiveness, love, and healing. Let's have more of that type of attitude with each other. This is not meant in anyway to be a criticism of Ms. Tran for withdrawing from social media. Rather a call to change for those who would wrongfully criticize and revile someone.

  • @nathansmalle7054
    @nathansmalle7054 6 років тому +15

    It didn't take me two weeks to fall in love with Danielle! x

  • @markm3416
    @markm3416 6 років тому +3

    followed Roth over from the "other outlet" because I value her talent and insight of the film industry. thanks for the hard work, and it is appreciated by many.

  • @williamjansen1
    @williamjansen1 6 років тому +12

    The main thing to say is that anybody who harasses anybody online for just doing their job is an idiot. To that obvious statement I would like to add that I really liked the character.
    ...or rather I didn't like Rose. I thought Rose was a complete idiot who let her idealism and romantic notions of war get in the way of practical and reasonable solutions, but I thought the existence of such a romantically blinded character was very plausible and added a nice juxtaposition to more traditional Star Wars-characters. I liked that the character was in the movie.
    Anyway I thought Kelly Marie Tran played the character well, and what bits I've seen of the actress in media appearances she seemed like a perfectly nice human being and people who are old enough to read and write should know better than to bother her.

  • @heatherpayne1995
    @heatherpayne1995 6 років тому +1

    This is the reason I'm not on Twitter or Instagram. Thank you for having this important conversation.

  • @starkinwinterfell8188
    @starkinwinterfell8188 6 років тому +6

    Thanks SJ for such an important and respectful discussion. Honestly, this past year can really tell the effort you've made to be a positive voice in the community. And I appreciate it so much.

  • @graceemilydoug
    @graceemilydoug 6 років тому +1

    LOVE LOVE LOVE THIS CONVERSATION. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only recognizing that everyone online is a person with so many complexities and experiences, but it's good to be reminded that there are many rational people out there.

  • @hindsightpov4218
    @hindsightpov4218 6 років тому +4

    The toxicity of social media is the reason why I stay off it. I tried Facebook and ended up leaving it within months. I tried Twitter and in a couple of weeks I was done with it. Just being on UA-cam can be very trying sometimes.

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 6 років тому +1

      I couldn't ever stand twitter, it always looked toxic and a mess. (and a family member showed me how little these services do to protect the users)

  • @nohbdyz3
    @nohbdyz3 6 років тому +2

    Definitely think you guys hit on a good point addressing identity. Wife and I are teachers and you see it with parents too. If a person's child does a bad thing, it doesn't make them OR their parents bad people. But as a parent you've got to own that bad thing and guide so as to (hopefully) prevent it in the future. Too often you get the "not my child" parents vehemently insisting their child is perfect and take it as an insult if you suggest otherwise. Those usually are the children I feel bad for because you know they are heading down the wrong path when they might be capable of so much more.

  • @ironfox4990
    @ironfox4990 6 років тому +6

    A similar thing happened to Jake Loyd, he got bullied and harass because of Phantom Menace despite not being his fault because of a terrible script, now he has schizophrenia because of the treatment he got.

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 6 років тому

      SJU should have mentioned it.

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 6 років тому

      2, how do you know the level of harassment that Jake Lloyd experienced and how does that make bullying in school ok?

  • @zoerobinson2122
    @zoerobinson2122 6 років тому +1

    I love you guy, all of the Screen Junkies. You guys genuinely care about films, and tv, and each other, and the world as a whole. You fight to make it a better place and it’s an amazing thing.

  • @TT-qc2mu
    @TT-qc2mu 6 років тому +6

    Roth is a terrific intelligent human being. That is all

  • @emmikins7986
    @emmikins7986 6 років тому +1

    what a beautiful and thoughtful conversation. thanks for having it. my heart is so full of love and gratitude for this team and the evolution in its content. i feel so lucky to get to watch sj videos every day.

  • @MrMike11233
    @MrMike11233 6 років тому +10

    Well. I wasn't expecting all of *this* when I clicked over today, but I'm grateful for the honest conversation. I'm just some guy but, allow me to say a few words. First, and it's a sad day indeed when it actually needs to be stated outright, but the attacks on Kelly Marie Tran are flat out indefensible. Period, full stop. There's a conversation to be had about whether, and to what extent fans of a particular IP have the right to put forth their opinions on a product. I'm going to say it; Rian Johnson posting pictures saying, "Your Snoke Theory Sucks" and Kathleen Kennedy posing in tee shirts that say, "The Force is Female" is, frankly, *not helping matters.* There's an argument to be made that provoking fans in these kinds of ways invites pushback. But that is another conversation, for another day. I want to talk to, and about the ladies who told their stories on today's videos, because it was eye opening, painful and more than a bit terrifying.
    I'm here on SJU most days; I don't always comment, but I try to check in to see the shenanigans. There are a few other channels that I try to get to each day. On each of those channels, I have tried to make myself part of their community. If I can take Dan's analogy for a moment, I am (or at least try to be) one of the 9 people who will walk by, smile and say hello. But here is the thing. I'm also the guy who would wrestle to the ground the one person who chose to punch Dan in the face. In plain terms, we need to look out for one another. You see something, *Say* something. This is a pretty awesome group of commenters, so I'd be frankly shocked to see hateful, racist comments here, but Roth, Danielle, Roxy, I've got your backs, ladies! If I saw a hurtful or misogynistic comment, I would comment back (even at the risk of being called the dreaded White Knight). I'd report them. I'd do anything that language allows to make sure it's known that their comments are not welcomed.
    Wow. Didn't mean to put up a wall of text here. It's doubtful anyone will take the time to read it all, but the Internet is forever and I not only stand by these words, I'd proudly sign my name to it. Anyway..love you guys.
    Mike

    • @synapse6140
      @synapse6140 6 років тому

      MrMike11233 great points, did read all of it ;). There's an argument to be made for ignoring such comments or going against them, I suppose it's a case by case basis.
      Also ya poking the bees nest is def a bad move esp by the people who are in the spotlight with Star Wars media, as you said it's another whole can of worms.

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 6 років тому

      Thank you for saying all that. Yes, I strongly suspect that *you* would be shocked and appalled by what gets said on the internets to women and people of color. It gets beyond disgusting. I personally would defend anyone's right to an opinion (especially an honest and thoughtful opinion), but hatred (as mentioned here of Kelly Marie Tran) is not an opinion. Just because some executive or creator "stirred up trouble" by posting something that could be inflammatory, is still no excuse to respond with hatred, bullying, or threats. In a legal sense, individual freedom of speech ends at liability: defamation, slander, harassment, bullying, threatening violence, are all illegal to some degree.

    • @Rand0mN0rwegianGuy
      @Rand0mN0rwegianGuy 6 років тому +1

      MrMike11233 I read it! Great post :-)
      BUT, there is one thing you said that I quickly want to comment on:
      About the Kathleen Kennedy T-shirt-thing.
      I believe, that when MOST people see that shirt, saying «The Force is Female», I think they interpret that as: «The Force is ONLY Female, and we HATE MEN». But what I don’t think most people realize, is that it actually just means: «The Force is ALSO Female». And that’s purely a GOOD THING!
      Again, I repeat; «The Force is ALSO Female», not «ONLY Female». And it’s not even supposed to be directed at anyone that disagrees with TLJ or anything like this AT ALL. It’s PURELY just to promote female voices in Star Wars, purely a positive, lovely, and well-meaning message. But people just read into to it way too much.
      I don’t know if you agree, but, well, that’s my two cents, anyway. :-)
      Have a great day.

    • @Number251137
      @Number251137 6 років тому

      Rand0mNorwegianGuy: Perhaps they should have put that on the T-Shirts instead then?

  • @euwan1
    @euwan1 6 років тому +2

    Such a powerful episode. Thank you so much for not being afraid to tackle such a difficult topic. Much love! ☺️

  • @Ballabruce1
    @Ballabruce1 6 років тому +3

    Dan just so you know you are the fan favorite since the start of screen junkies :)

  • @malloreyrogers7987
    @malloreyrogers7987 6 років тому

    Can I just say how much I LOVE having Roth on Screen Junkies?? Of all the women who have been on this channel, there is something about her compassionate and caring demeanor that is so refreshing. Not only does she have great insight on all things from movies to news in the media, but she articulated those insights so beautifully without being preachy or judgmental to anyone. I find that to be so rare in this type of platform on UA-cam and social media in general. I hope she stays on for a long time.
    ❤️

  • @jeffh8094
    @jeffh8094 6 років тому +4

    Excellent, much needed, important video. Thanks for doing it. It is very sad that the maturity level of some folks in the Star Wars community is so juvenile and hateful. It isn't the bulk of fandom that spews this abusive hate, but there is far too much of it going on. It needs to stop. Kelly Marie Tran does not deserve to be abused online by butt-hurt childish fans who didn't like TLJ. It truly is sickening.

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 6 років тому

      This has been going on for quite a while, especially to people in the public eye. But as Danielle Radford pointed out: it happens frequently to persons of color and is only more noticeable now because it has become more shameless.

  • @salfal3
    @salfal3 6 років тому +2

    Thank you guys for continuing to discuss these topics that matter.

  • @ChampionAshley
    @ChampionAshley 6 років тому +6

    thank you Screen Junkies for talking about this. because we need to start getting the message out that it doesn't matter if you like a film or not. IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO HARASS AN ACTOR FOR DOING THEIR JOB.

  • @Ironbeargrizz187
    @Ironbeargrizz187 6 років тому +1

    The fact that we need this discussion shows the large amount of racism,sexism,homophobia and pure hatred that still haunts this country. Personally I’m glad that the junkies crew are addressing it in full force with articulate and intelligent discussion. It truly makes a difference. Thank you junkies for be awesome human beings. Cheers and keep fighting the good fight.

  • @joanliang7329
    @joanliang7329 6 років тому +9

    Thank you for taking the time and utilizing your platform for good. I think part of the problem is that people are extremely comfortable with dogmatic thinking. It's perfectly normal in their headspace that A is the only right version of something in the world, therefore B through Z, and whatever other letters of the alphabet that may be invented beyond that, MUST be wrong. There's no allowance for even the possibility that A may not be not only incorrect, but that A might be only one of the many correct and good versions of something. Dogmatic thinking is so incredibly dangerous. It's held back societies for thousands of years. I think social media exacerbates that because there's limited character space in which you can get a point across. Comments this long get bypassed and buried. But the sound bites spread with fury.

  • @AgentAgnostic
    @AgentAgnostic 6 років тому

    thank you Screen Junkies for having these conversations publicly and honestly.

  • @noahsryan
    @noahsryan 6 років тому +3

    Thanks SJU! It’d be great to see more focused episodes on this topic and topics like it 😁

  • @christopherg7098
    @christopherg7098 6 років тому +1

    Dan really said what I have been talking to people about in the last few years, how I feel these new generations have been slowly robbed of what I consider the opportunity of real empathy. They have spent their lives in glow of a computer screen in a void of human interaction that helps imprint and develop empathy, but we have also given people the platform to create their own digital reality and it often seems as if they determine what's values and priorities are important, its alienating, this technology that was supposed to bring the world together is driving us further apart as a species.
    I would like to thank Screen Junkies for taking the time to navigate and discuss such an important and impactful issue, keep up the good work :*)

  • @Spence1994
    @Spence1994 6 років тому +3

    I am so impressed and thankful for Screen Junkies to be having open, honest conversations about stuff like this. Online bullying has so much negativity and has caused so much suffering in the world. It needs to stop! Treat people with respect!

  • @alunizaje
    @alunizaje 6 років тому +1

    Thanks for having this conversation!!
    As your said there are multiple layers about this issue, but while we work to make a better world and ending racism, misogyny and other forms of persecution I believe it's time we start demanding the social platforms to adapt and become accountable for what they allow. Roth made a good point about the profits that this current state of things brings to some of the players involved and maybe that's another reason the social networks don't believe this is a priority. As long as they keep gaining users and visitors that the business model treats as anonymous potential buyers and audiences they will not be concern in restricting their policies or demand identity checks that would allow easier actions to stop harassment.
    With all the recent news about social media and their lack of control (or complicity) in managing privacy and users data I believe it's time we center the discussion in them more than in the few people they give voice to.

  • @Katt1721
    @Katt1721 6 років тому +3

    Roth's story makes me so sad for her, but unfortunately not totally surprised. I'm sorry you had to go through that.

  • @renegadeliv8723
    @renegadeliv8723 6 років тому

    Thank you SJ for consistently using your platform to talk about the serious issues, as much as our fun silly ones. I hope people watching took this to heart and are striving to be better. I'm going to make an effort to make positive comments on all your videos that I watch.
    Also to Dan, for Dan's rants, I think the fans connect most to your passion, whether you are yelling or not. I had a friend who had no interest in Call Me By Your Name, but respects your opinion as a film critic. When I showed him you discussing the movie in your top 10 movies of 2017 with Roth, he was completely swayed. You weren't yelling, but passionate about your feelings for the film. He went with me on my next viewing, and adored the movie (he even cried!). Thank you for all that you do.
    Thank you all of SJ.