I'm so happy to see more and more trainers embrace this topic in this way! 💕 I have a video where I suggest a way to define acceptable uses of R- and it was shared on Facebook by Behavior Works a couple of days ago! 😀 I'm hopeful that, as a community, we can start to better understand R- and use it more wisely. Thank you for contributing to this!!!!! 💕 I'm excited to see where this leads us! 😀
Thank you so much for your lovely feedback. Yes, I do hope that this is helpful content and that we consider other force free options when required. Feel free to leave me some suggestions on the content itself if I got any concept or description incorrect or incomplete. Thanks again. 😊
I use -R for the same reasons in mustang training, ie. my very existence is aversive. Then the only thing I can do is be controllable by the animal. With companion dogs that are never kenneled or crated, I find a conditioned punisher invaluable as an interruptor. Stop chasing the goat! You might not need it if your life is dedicated to antecedent arrangement, but they don't seem to mind being reminded of the rules they already know.
-R to shape the behaviour, +R to reward it. It's exactly how no-pull harnesses work. uncomfortable pressure is applied when dog pulls > dog stops pulling because it is uncomfortable > dog can be rewarded in the heel position with +R. -R used properly doesn't have to look like dog abuse.
It goes without saying. Tethering is a long used and effective method to help fearful, shy or under trained dogs to become exposed to handlers while allowing some distance.
Great vid! Although I try to avoid R- where possible I will teach guardians strategies like gentle lead pressure to encourage disengagement if they ever find themselves in sticky situations (which we try to prevent with good management and careful training plans!). I’d much prefer a dog have a strong reinforcement history of coming towards gentle pressure and that be viewed as an opportunity for good things (eg food, play) rather than just hope a dog will never hit the end of the lead. Given that I also teach cooperative care I must accept that things like cooperative injection training will always have some element of discomfort. I do my best to give the dog agency and control (eg start button behaviours) and minimise the unpleasantness (eg numbing cream) but it is a fact that my dogs will probably never “enjoy” injections and there is likely an element of R- at play. I’ve heard some professionals use terms like “most positive, most choice-based approach” - I think that’s probably what our cooperative injections are 😊
What a great contribution. I absolutely love those two examples. I do teach leash pressure games to my clients and consider it a helpful skill. There's definitely elements of unpleasantness involved in many things in life and medical procedures and just one good example of it. The moment a needle goes in there's probably some behaviour being positively punished. Of this is prepared with good training plans and plenty of opportunity to disengage and stop the session it is totally okay. We are galaxies apart when comparing these elements of R- and P+ to deliberately using corrections to teach dogs. Thanks you so much for your comment.
I'm already expecting to be criticised and crucified, but I must confess that I've sometimes used punishment or negative reinforcement on my dog... 😔 I don't assume that lightly, I know I could've done better and differently, but, frustration took the best of me on some moments... The fact that it worked doesn't make it better, but I must say that my dog has definitely a different attitude with me than with the rest of the family (another adult and primary schooler), namely when we walk with leash. She won't pull not even close to half of what she does with any of them. But I do recognise easily that I'd prefer not use that approach, and most of the time, I have not. Would you be able to share a video with positive reinforcement training regarding walk on leash and not pulling it?
Thanks so much for being genuine and sharing your experience so far. We have all used positive punishment and negative reinforcement in our lives. Not only with dogs, but if we really think about it, even with people. Luckily, we can usually make several other pleasant contributions to the "emotional bank account" of the dogs and people that we spend time with. In my opinion, a good relationship with another living being is not necessarily a perfect one, but simply one in which the good interactions clearly outweigh the less good ones. The framework presented in this video will hopefully help to guide us on how to choose a given behaviour modification procedure. I hope that makes sense. You really got me to think deep for that one. Now, for your other one... Yes, yes, and yes!!! 4 videos made, edited and scheduled exactly on the topic on loose leash walking. They will be coming in the first half of 2022. Stay tuned!!!
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Question of the day: Have you ever heard of shaping for negative reinforcement procedures?
I must say that I haven't...
I'm so happy to see more and more trainers embrace this topic in this way! 💕 I have a video where I suggest a way to define acceptable uses of R- and it was shared on Facebook by Behavior Works a couple of days ago! 😀 I'm hopeful that, as a community, we can start to better understand R- and use it more wisely. Thank you for contributing to this!!!!! 💕 I'm excited to see where this leads us! 😀
Thank you so much for your lovely feedback. Yes, I do hope that this is helpful content and that we consider other force free options when required. Feel free to leave me some suggestions on the content itself if I got any concept or description incorrect or incomplete. Thanks again. 😊
I use -R for the same reasons in mustang training, ie. my very existence is aversive. Then the only thing I can do is be controllable by the animal. With companion dogs that are never kenneled or crated, I find a conditioned punisher invaluable as an interruptor. Stop chasing the goat! You might not need it if your life is dedicated to antecedent arrangement, but they don't seem to mind being reminded of the rules they already know.
Thanks @@patriciabarlowirick
So good to have your feedback here and to know that the example provided makes sense. Thanks heaps.
-R to shape the behaviour, +R to reward it.
It's exactly how no-pull harnesses work. uncomfortable pressure is applied when dog pulls > dog stops pulling because it is uncomfortable > dog can be rewarded in the heel position with +R.
-R used properly doesn't have to look like dog abuse.
Super interesting that I haven't thought of the no pull harness that way, but you are spot on! Thank you.
It goes without saying. Tethering is a long used and effective method to help fearful, shy or under trained dogs to become exposed to handlers while allowing some distance.
Hey. Thanks for your comment. How do you mean? Where can I read more about it?
Another well put together video. Thanks for making it.
Thank you so much for your feedback. 😊
We always learn a lot from your videos.Thank you.
Glad to hear. Thanks for your comment. 😊
Great video, thank you.
Thanks for the feedback Jane. I appreciate it.
Great vid! Although I try to avoid R- where possible I will teach guardians strategies like gentle lead pressure to encourage disengagement if they ever find themselves in sticky situations (which we try to prevent with good management and careful training plans!). I’d much prefer a dog have a strong reinforcement history of coming towards gentle pressure and that be viewed as an opportunity for good things (eg food, play) rather than just hope a dog will never hit the end of the lead.
Given that I also teach cooperative care I must accept that things like cooperative injection training will always have some element of discomfort. I do my best to give the dog agency and control (eg start button behaviours) and minimise the unpleasantness (eg numbing cream) but it is a fact that my dogs will probably never “enjoy” injections and there is likely an element of R- at play.
I’ve heard some professionals use terms like “most positive, most choice-based approach” - I think that’s probably what our cooperative injections are 😊
What a great contribution. I absolutely love those two examples. I do teach leash pressure games to my clients and consider it a helpful skill. There's definitely elements of unpleasantness involved in many things in life and medical procedures and just one good example of it. The moment a needle goes in there's probably some behaviour being positively punished. Of this is prepared with good training plans and plenty of opportunity to disengage and stop the session it is totally okay. We are galaxies apart when comparing these elements of R- and P+ to deliberately using corrections to teach dogs. Thanks you so much for your comment.
I'm already expecting to be criticised and crucified, but I must confess that I've sometimes used punishment or negative reinforcement on my dog... 😔 I don't assume that lightly, I know I could've done better and differently, but, frustration took the best of me on some moments... The fact that it worked doesn't make it better, but I must say that my dog has definitely a different attitude with me than with the rest of the family (another adult and primary schooler), namely when we walk with leash. She won't pull not even close to half of what she does with any of them.
But I do recognise easily that I'd prefer not use that approach, and most of the time, I have not.
Would you be able to share a video with positive reinforcement training regarding walk on leash and not pulling it?
Thanks so much for being genuine and sharing your experience so far. We have all used positive punishment and negative reinforcement in our lives. Not only with dogs, but if we really think about it, even with people. Luckily, we can usually make several other pleasant contributions to the "emotional bank account" of the dogs and people that we spend time with. In my opinion, a good relationship with another living being is not necessarily a perfect one, but simply one in which the good interactions clearly outweigh the less good ones. The framework presented in this video will hopefully help to guide us on how to choose a given behaviour modification procedure. I hope that makes sense. You really got me to think deep for that one. Now, for your other one... Yes, yes, and yes!!! 4 videos made, edited and scheduled exactly on the topic on loose leash walking. They will be coming in the first half of 2022. Stay tuned!!!
Most actual R+ trainers I know have gone through some form of this at some point in their careers. No judgment, just always keep doing better!
@@Sapperbounded absolutely. Thanks for sharing those words.
@@Sapperbounded Yes, very good point. Thanks for your input.