Why Juventus are banned
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Earlier in 2023, Juventus were fined 20 million euros and handed a one-year ban from European competition for violating Financial Fair Play.
They were also docked 10 points in Serie A and dropped from second to seventh place at the end of last season.
So, what did Juventus do and why were they punished?
Written by Abhishek Raj, illustrated by Craig Silcock.
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We spelt "swap" wrong. This is what happens when script editors (I'm looking at you, Seb Stafford-Bloor) go on well deserved holidays and leave us normal folk to double check for errors. Apologies all!
who asked
@@krishnapriyasanka60i did.
🙄 Talk about being thrown under the bus!!
@@charlesray9674 they are throwing themselves under the bus, not the editor that is on a well deserved holiday.
@hafsteinngumannsson7532 😁 Yes, I know. I was trying to imply that Tifo's many mistakes are allegedly due to that one person (alone). I'm so used to mistakes that I didn't even notice this one!! 🤣
Meanwhile Manchester City with 116 charges just going about with nothing to worry about,
So easy to spot casuals in football these days
@@JakeRubio14 Exactly they all seem to think it's not that complicated
Cry
How is that casual...? Dude.. it is so easy to spot Man City fans.fitst of all u guy r less and 2nd of all most of u have no footballing knowledge.
ManCity always pays off FA and UEFA....
Research more before typing
@@sumanchhetri1809 tell them mate
The fact Barça arent even being investigated for being complicit in this, as well as in the shady Neto/Cillesen transfer with Valencia they pulled off around the same time, just goes to show how much of a clown show Spanish footballing authorities are.
Remember when they let Barcelona sign a striker because their keeper got injured, then wouldn't let the other team replace their top striker 😂
It’s because of a special rule in law liga that applies to all teams when players have an injury
@@ckay_real2765 yeah, my point is it's a ridiculous law that was implemented biasly
Cry harder Real boy.
@@hunsler1006 that law has been there for long time
1:00 yet Barcelona get no punishment
Cook
fifa would never allow that, they'd get exposed also
all trades involve 2 clubs..they said Juve has been doing this on a reg basis and so have all the teams..who's to say how much a player is worth?
Got the feeling that over the years italians club were always punished while other more influential clubs in europe were easily forgiven
Italian authorities will always investigate if they suspect something. They don't care about the public opinions
This goes for club issues or player issues like gambling.
English FA will tries to sweep things under the rug because it hurt "best league in the world"
In italy the government doesnt protect clubs an is the first to persecute them, In spain real and Barca are treated like gods by their gov and federation
They have less money and also FIGC is juventus haters so yeah thats it
Spending money on players instead of lawyers that don't cooperate so you get away with time barred charges.
The English ones are not time barred, hopefully that stain on football goes back to being irrelevant.
Italian clubs have gotten away with some of the worst fan violence in Europe from at least 1984
Great explanation, but it fails to explain how corrupt the Italian system is and how this whole plot is in part as a punishment for the super league project, firstly ceferin feeling betrayed by his very good friend agnelli and gravina being an interista and actually enjoying bringing juventus down… at the end of those case couldn’t be confirmed so the charged juventus with disrespecting football and deducted 10 points….
Also I would like to add that the capital gains is done in every single club In The world and it’s not illegal whatsoever, if so then are multiple transfer flops for over 100 million that never played to their potential and those clubs didn’t get punished for over valuing players….
Good explanation, but there's one thing missing: for both Prisma and plusvalenze investigations Juve got punished by the italian football federation based on the accusations from the civil investigations which still have to go on trial. So in the end Juve and its representatives might end up not being charged with anything, yet the club has already been harshly punished by the uefa and the italian football federation.
Also something that never added up in the whole situation is that it takes at least two clubs to do these transfers and yet only Juventus got punished.
The punishment for the "two clubs required" Plusvalenza accusations was revoked by the courts. The only thing where the punishment was upheld was the wage manipulation (prisma), and there is no other club required to lie about your wages.
Indeed, what @callejonization said is correct. It is ridiculous that a team got punished when a transaction is necessarily made by two actors. All this situation has been build up in order to destroy Juventus as a Company, while other Italian team (Inter Milan, Milan, AS Roma among others) didn't receive any kind of punishment for big red in the accounting. It's just ridiculous
@@totaldot I could now write to you, the fact that the punishment for Plusvalenza was revoked by courts, but since you seemingly did not read it, when i explained it the first time, and when it was mentioned in the video, you'll probably ignore this crucial details, even if i keep repeating it.
Some people just look at the facts that suit their viewpoint, and i guess you are one of those people. There is no arguing with people like that.
@@Jonathanizer the punishment for the plusvalenze was revoked in January and then Juve received a 10 point punishment in May for the same accusation. For the prisma investigation, Juventus reached an agreement to pay a fine for around 750k euros... But hey, I'm sure you know better 👍🏻
In Italy only Juventus Is punished
You can thank Chelsea for the reason we all now know what amortisation means.
The league/UEFA had issues with Juve's profits from player sales. Some think it's payback for the Super League, as the teams Juve supposedly worked with haven't been penalized. Italian teams got creative with accounting, but Juve's ongoing Super League support, post-English teams' withdrawal, brought scrutiny and evidence interception. Without Juve's push for the Super League, these problems might not have occurred...
For sure we know how corrupt uefa are lmao those guys condemned the super league only to make their own to generate even more profit as the middle man
Of course it's politics, what else can it be? Why else is FIFA known for "blackjack and hookers"? Why else are referee calls shady and inconsistent? UEFA and FIFA look to gain so much from TV revenue, so much from controversy surrounding things like the "Super League" that they LOOK to do whatever they need to to generate money.
100% revange for the super league… as simple as that
Ask Lille how much they "paid" for some U19 Napoli Players that never became pro players...
But no, there nobody is investigating...
Im not a Juve fan but if you ask me i would actually consider the first one "Plusvalenza" a genius move. They played the rules. Blame the rules not the players. Who are you to say this player is not worth this much? Maybe to the buying club, this player is worth everything.
+72 - 60 = 12mil that's all that matter, now if FFP like to divide the -60 over 5 yrs then it is what it is, its the same as what Chelsea have done.
Tifo Football recently came out about how a club's financial structure works, and I think they talked about looking less at the transfer fees (here it really doesn't matter, didn't the video say it ended up being 12 mil reported vs 14 mil actually?) and more about wages. For example, paying 14 million for a striker whom you have to pay 250k a week for seems like a great deal because you had to pay *only* 14 mil to get him, but that 250k a week means you're paying him 13 mil a year, so you actually paid 28mil to get him. But then, that 28mil is divided over the length of his contract. This is still to say, if you had him on a 4 year contract, the "value" of this player isn't just 14mil/4 years = 3.5mil per year, but rather around 7mil per year, because of his wages. I think that's what Tifo missed here, and it's very weird and interesting that they would miss this given they made the video on wage structure a month ago.
In short, what really matters, financially, is did the wage structure change?
The standard spelling is 'swap' not 'swop'
I agree with you but I thought I would check and found this - The spelling 'swop' is listed in both the Oxford and the Collins dictionaries as an alternative spelling for 'swap'. To me, it is still spelled swap however others use swop apparently???
@@danieldarks3721that is most certainly true, and still I had to rewind half the video as seeing the spelling ‘swop’ sent my brain in to a spiral 🤣
@@danieldarks3721Swap IS The Alternative spelling of swop and not the other way around.
@@nathanolson3135 maybe where you are from but I am English and at school I was taught Swap. So to me it is not.
we all know most big clubs do this shady business, but uefa & italian want to punish juve mainly for the super league idea as 1 of the 3 founding members.
and ceferin hated agnelli personally since he didn't tell him about the super league althought they were really close (Agnelli is ceferin's daughter godfather).
Man City, Chelsea and United continue to astound me.. United have suffered a loss of 300million plus.. Chelsea bought 1billion worth players without major sales.. City of course saved humanity from crashing meteors..
Football is so corrupted now
EPL is diffrent from Serie A blud. They have way higher viewership brands and TV rights than any league
@@bilal__edits. May be that's why they punished Everton..
I'm pretty sure you don't even know why Everton received the deduction just go and read about it
English people are so good sweeping the dirt under the rug... they can't afford to show yo the world how much corruption there is in the EPL
If city and Barca don’t get punished extremely then I would lose all faith in European football…though I know the FFP won’t punish them as the system is corrupt 😡😡😡
You have faith in European football ???? Sucker....
Blame is on the president, not the club. And City and Barça siuation aren't the same at any level.
Barcelona? Give any facts to be banned?
Already lost hope years ago... I only believe in my club JUVENTUS
Barcelona are guilty what are you on about?
They were accused of bribing but it was never proven.
Should’ve investigated further guys and ask the obvious question: Why Juve was punished and Barca not even investigated in the Pjanic-Arthur deal? Again, there was also the Cancelo-Danilo deal with City which was mentioned as well in the case as one of the examples that proved Juve’s wrongdoings. Why City not guilty? Or is it one of the 116 financial cases against City? Come on, Tifo Football, you could’ve done much better.
Neither of these deals were used or mentioned in the case on the end…they used Orsilini as the example for it
@@TheBez85 They were
@@eskeeeetThe punishment for the "two clubs required" Plusvalenza accusations was revoked by the courts. The only thing where the punishment was upheld was the wage manipulation (prisma), and there is no other club required to lie about your wages. Thus, Juve got punished while Barca didn't. It's simple while City, Chelsea FFP issues are a different problem
Love this content. The information was well informed!
I still do not fully understand, why Juventus got punished in the case Plusvalenza. They were following basic accounting principles, I get the thing that it seems logic they were inflating the prices to look better in the books (good luck to prove it) but at the end, the price is determined after how much the buyer is willing to pay. Was Juventus looking for loopholes to make the numbers look better for FFP? Sure, but as far as there is no limit on swap deals, what did they against the rules? Or is there a limit ? It is not mentioned in the video. For me it looks like finding loopholes and UEFA has the obligation to close them, for example with limitation of swap deals. Sorry, if I missing an important detail...
I'm confused as well. Even with the example given in the video - if it wasn't a swap with Barca, but buying from.Barca for 72 (and amortising it over the length of the contract) and selling to other club for 60, it seems everything would have been fine?
The example given in the video made me even more confused, can anyone help me out?
@@Thorrief I assume the idea is that the clubs colluded to overvalue the players allowing them to both put a large profit on the books. Implying that your hypothetical would be fine, but there's no way another club would have paid $60m for pjanic without getting something in return.
@@matthewwhalley3055It still doesn't make sense. There is no standard value to prove that player was "overvalued", that's a subjective statement. I'll argue that nearly all players today are overvalued; Antony, Maguire, Enzo, Caicedo,Rice, Grealish, Mudryk, Hojlund, all Man Utd signings over the last 4yrsvetc, the list can go on and on... There's no objective standard for olayer valuation rather than what the buyer is willing to pay. There needs to be a body regulating these valuations
I still don't see what Juventus did wrong
@@bigmitchtv3922yeah
I'm just commenting to make such I get the notification when someone finally answers the question, because as Juve fans we feel wronged.
Excellent video. Very clear explaination
What Juve did wrong was not ask Man City which firm of solicitors they were using.
Miralem Pjanić was having his highest market value of €70.00m by the end of 2019, according to Transfermarkt.
Exactly… man was a 5x champion and ucl finalist technically still in his prime… to then say he wasn’t worth that much after the fact based on what happened is clearly a ploy that was meant to punish Juve. In light of all of this gravina was made vp in uefa by ceferin which tells you a lot about the entire investigation. It was about super league not ffp.
Really poorly researched video with multiple inaccuracies.
1. The wage scandal was never about paying the players off the books, rather about postponing the wages during Covid period. Players gave up 4 months of salary and signed an agreement to receive 3 months salary back later. Italian authorities only intervened because timing of the announcement of players receiving 3 months of salary was in different financial year than the 4 month deduction.
2. Juventus were punished only for plusvalenza scandal with points. For the salary case, they were fined 700,000 euros by the Italian authorities, and were made to sign an agreement that they would not challenge the plusvalenza points deduction in higher courts for compensation against FIGC.
3. The plusvalenza scandal was something that there is still no rule against. If Juve bought Arthur for 70 million, they would continue paying 14 million depreciation on him for 5 years. Its not a money making operation, just distributes the cost over financial years. Multiple clubs within Serie A still do this without any punishment (see Osimhen transfer from Lille for 3 youth players rated 30 million +40 million cash).
It just comes to show how most of "financial" videos about football just drown in the ocean the moment you start scrutinizing them with a bit of knowledge in economics and such. This video is just so poorly researched, we won't get mad at you tifo if you have to fix your sink or have to do stuff outside of youtube but this video is just so... empty.
@3. There is no rule against inflating the value of your assets? Gotta tell that to my old commerce law professor, he's going to be astounded and will have to change his whole curriculum. Book keeping will be so much easier from now on, now that a random youtube commenter has declared centuries of financial regulatory framework to be obsolete. Risky though. I mean, these financial regulations existed to ensure an incentive structures where individual economic actors wont take risks that could infect the wider economy, but now that all that is apparently gone - according to you - it's open season.
@@Jonathanizer Who decides what is the value of an intangible asset like a football player is? Can you argue that United inflated the value of Antony by paying 80 million for him? Can you argue that Chelsea underpaid Shakhtar by paying 100 million for Mudryk? Once UEFA/FIFA make a rule which tells what the intangible asset should be valued at, they can start punishing teams for overpaying or underpaying. Go talk to that commerce law professor, and tell him to explain accountancy laws to you.
@@JonathanizerHaughty sarcasm while completely missing the point... I love it!
@@adamdonnelly9794 I did not miss the point. I actually agree with most of what op was saying, but the claim that there is "no rule" against what the accusation is in Plusvalenza is absolutely absurd and pretty brazen, so i had to address that. That the two clubs did inflate their assets value may not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt - which is why the courts revoked the punishment for this - but it is most definitely against the rules. There is a difference if i rob a bank and go free because robbing is somehow legal, or if the prosecutors could no prove my guilt.
Reminds me of Enron cooking the books with mark-to-market accounting.
The real reason Juventus was punished was because it was a witch-hunt against them. Serie A has hated Juventus for a long time and they consistently show bias against them every chance they get. The lead person in the case against Juve was a self admitted Napoli fan and openly spoke of his hatred of Juve. And UEFA has had an axe to grind against Juve ever since they were involved with the Super League. Both organizations saw this as an opportunity to make Juve hurt. When it comes to the transfer fees, it takes two clubs to make a deal, and if Juve were trying make an inflated deal then the other club would refuse it. But both sides were agreeable to each club and if both clubs concluded to inflate the transfer fee to help both of their books, then Juventus should not have been the only club punished. UEFA even threatened Juventus that if they don’t drop out of the Super League they would be banned from European competitions. Juve dropped out of the Super League and UEFA still banned them. Both Serie A and UEFA are incredibly corrupt and the rules are only arbitrary enforced.
You are right that other Clubs should be punished too but don't act like there saints.
Not City level criminals but the charge with the Juventus history is mild.
That pjanic arthur deal was clearly sus 😂
The explanation of the Prisma case you Made is very misleading.. Juventus wasn’t even accused of paying wages off the book, which would be tax evasion and impossible to defend. What really happened was that they Made public declaration of players renouncing up to 4 months of salary unless certain event happened (Covid related) allowing them to lift such expenses from the balance as unsure. In reality though they agreed with the players they only renounced 1 month, and the other 3 were gonna be paid in any case, which should have put these 3 months as sure debts in the balance, which should have looked worse in that case.
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The narrator is brilliant 👍
Sorry but at times it feels like a Juventus witch-hunt. Juve get accused of overvaluing players …. So what’s £115 for coutinho? £200 for neymar or £80 for maguire then?
If psg, city, man United, Chelsea, Barca and madrid got as scrutinised as juve they would probably all cease to exist by now.
If this same standard is applied to the EPL, City would be playing in the 7th tier league now
madrid? you re stooped or what? do you know real's net spending?
Misspelt "swap"
The irony that you use the British "misspelt" and yet don't understand that "swop" is an alternative (if less used) British variant of "swap". Look it up in a dictionary.
As Juve fans, this scandalous culture is devastating.. However Juve always accept the punishment like a men and bounce back to retain their top team status.
Juventus have been doing the same things that most of the top teams in Europe have been doing. The only difference is that they actually get punished for it and somehow the other teams get away with it without a scratch.
Juve are always doing something dodgy
If Juventus got punished, why is Barca not punished for complicity?
Money
Juve did it 40 times
And other issues
@@priyaalkhandal4163 then what about the La Liga refereing issues where Barca were accused of making illegal payment to the refereeing committee vice president José María Enríquez Negreira?
When will they be punished??
@@EkeneEgboVitalis those are not proven yet
If icunderstood correctly they got back 15 points for capital gains though and where punished for prisma investigation? Or am i wrong?
For the first example, why only Juventus got the hit from UEFA through the Italian football federation and Barcelona got away, because both clubs did actually the same thing. This is actually the punishment for Agnelli from UEFA as he is ECA president and push for super league.
Juve perhaps didn't challenged the UEFA comps ban as even if the ban was lifted, still they wouldn't have played any UeFA comp courtesy their position on the points table due to the points deduction. Without that deduction, had they been 2nd, then they'd have surely appealed against the ban as CL money is quite useful for the clubs.
Also atleatst this punishment would pacify the like of Ceferin who they have antagonized due to all the Super League push.
I'm sure there are many many more people out there that know much more than I do, but in the end it seems like this was finally UEFA's way of getting Juventus to drop from the super league project. In my opinion, a clear indicator of this was the timing of Juve's 10 point deduction last season. Juventus were given the 10 point deduction on May 22nd, an hour prior to their kickoff before the Empoli game. However, the deadline for this verdict wasn't for another month or two later. The reason why it was settled so much sooner than the deadline was because UEFA needed to know league placements in order to understand what teams would be in each UEFA competition for the following season before the domestic seasons came to a close. With that being said, UEFA forced the FIGC's hand and rushed this verdict. On top of that, UEFA were also holding their own investigation in regard to these issues, and were almost certainly going to disqualify juventus from any UEFA competition regardless of juventus' final placement in the table or FIGC's verdict. Simply put, even if there were no points deducted and Juventus finished 2nd in the league, UEFA would have still disqualified juventus from the champions league, so this point deduction was almost like killing two birds with 1 stone. In the end, it seems like Agnelli's involvement in the super league has left Juventus and it's fans (myself included) in a position that will be difficult to climb out of for the next couple years (hopefully it's only a couple of years)
I forgot to include the part where UEFA had threatened a multiple year suspension on Juve from UEFA competitions, that would be decreased if they dropped out of super league involvement. This plea bargain alone seems like UEFA's objective all along was to get Juventus (The club with the board that arguably supported the super league the most) to leave the super league. It appears that this was UEFA's endgame all along, especially when you examine their sense of urgency when it comes to investigating other clubs with similar, if not worse allegations in regard to FFP.
This is part of a reason why footballer value estimates mean squat
Ruben Dias from Benfica to man city, and otamendi from city to benfica for 15 million i think.
Cancelo and Danilo was another one. 60 million pounds, with Danilo going the other way at a value of 34 million. The actual fee was 28 million plus Danilo and I always wondered why the need to have these weird fees attached. Chelsea have definitely done it a few times too.
Also, everybody seems shocked by the penalisation. Juventus hid 200+ mln losses with the off-the-book salary thing, in years in which they paid Ronaldo, and bought Vlahovic for 80+ millions. This sentence was very advantageous for them, all things considered.
This said, if charges against Chelsea and ManC are confirmed, they will have to be punished much more harshly for things to stay fair.
Yeah, good joke.
😂😂😂 interista
@@javierrojo1153What are you even saying? What's a "good joke"?
@@Billiamwoods the fact that people believes that Chelsea and specially man city are going to be punished.
@@totaldottf do you mean, he's right. You qualified for the UCL thanks to a Cuadrado blatant dive and got Vlahovic with that money. You made hundreds of millions on those inflated transfers, you cheated, Inter and Milan didn't. And don't come at me with Zhang's debts, as they don't concern the club.
My God Tifo you are all WRONG...this is wrong 4:25. Tifo, you didn't understand anything about this Juventus situation. Juventus did not pay players during the COVID period and all players signed a paper written by a "Notaio" ...The only players who didn't accept this agreement were CR7 and Rabiot who didn't want to sign and pretended the salaries for every month during COVID, but didn't receive anything. I read right now searching even randomly on Italian newspapers "I calciatori della Juve ammettono: “Stipendi dell’era Covid pagati in un secondo tempo”" Juve players paid after. You're mistaken even on the Plusvalenza topic, you can't even do some research on Google and use Google Translator...Tifo, you are showing that you didn't understand ANYTHING about this topic
Why wasn't barcelona investigated
Because Barca didn't do anything dumbhead.
I remember this transfer and remember that the players were great, but the prices were overpaid by such
I've read many like this, and no matter how many times people "trying" to explain it, the accusation doesn't make sense even in economic point of view, the so called violations seems like an utter bullsh**, a made up case. Even if it's a thing, dozens club like Man City, Chelsea, Barcelona, PSG should be punished as well, but the fact that they're not just make this whole thing even more suspicious and almost like a conspiracy against Juventus. I believe it has something to do with Super League, I'm sure it is.
soccer is very political in the sense of people in power working against each other, we just don't see it because we don't experience it. Of course UEFA is going to be against Juventus, just like they are against everyone who disagrees with them on anything.
just add this to your train of thought, Juve made the mistake of not bribing the UEFA officials similar to City
Even the paying players under the table had no concrete evidence. Just a few messages asking players if they would. It was a witch hunt
I love it how no other team was investigated, and also... meanwhile Chelsie pays billions in transfers, and is in compliance with FFP, Manchester City too, and of course PSG..
ridiculous vendetta.
No other team was investigated? What planet do you live on...
@@Jonathanizer it takes 2 to tango.. in the plusvalentza case. so if Juventus is guilty so is Barcelona and so are the other 20-30 teams that took part in this.
so NO OTHER TEAM WAS INVESTIGATED.
@@Juventinos Everton just got 10 points deducted for breaking FFP rules. Others got charges against them and will face a ruling later. Think all that happens without investigation? You are either ill informed, or don't know what investigation means.
Most investigations are probably not even public knowledge.
You are a little bit wrong - Juventus got 10 points deduction for Plusvalenza, and plea deal and less than 1 million fine for salary maneuvers.
I feel for Juve
The plusvalenza comes out in the wash over the players contract anyway, it was short term book balancing to get through a period of difficulty created by the Italian government. The Italian sporting system and uefa should have had some leniency, given they created a situation where clubs were losing money hand over fist weekly during covid. I'm not saying people should have been allowed at games during this time, but the rule makers should accept that their actions also ruined or nearly ruined the livelihoods of many, then they turn around and punish you for trying to make it work, even though you found a loophole in the rules, they manipulated the rules in a very savvy way, and are not the only ones.
brilliant video, can you please do a whole video on the pogba ban saga - including his swiss hospital visits - with dates and his missed training sessions due to this -- as he posted up many pictures in swiss - skiing - but was actually meeting up with the medical team - regarding his injury, please add the drug he used to speed up his recovery and its pros/cons and if possible try n compare the drug to others or even other players who have used it, Thank you
It is interesting that Barcelona has not been punished while Juventus yes...
Isnt chelsea doing the same thing?
Next video, how man city did not receive ban
explain why the other clubs involved weren't given similar punishment? oh, that's right , Barca would never receive punishment..great story teller..tell the whole story
How nice of them to offer transparency about their opacity.
0:54 Swop deals? 😂
"Swop" is a variant of "swap". Use a dictionary.
@andymerrett just because it's in a dictionary, it doesn't mean it has the same use. I've never seen someone use swop in financial talks.
@@6BfMV2 swap and swop are same , swop is mainly used in old British English
Someone's had an absolute shocker spellchecking this entire video
I always know something was wrong about that Arthur deal
ah yes, they swapped internally with themselves only, without any other club participating. that's why they are the only ones penalized, right? I mean, obviously, if more clubs were participating, they would get the same penalties, RIGHT?
How come I saw nothing about barca being fine for this?
Player transfer value is based on the agreement between two clubs. There really is not some third party that can determine what the player transfer value is or inflated player value. The transfer value is what the two clubs agree.
I fully disagree. If the player is going to be treated as a company asset with a value of 72 million euros, third parties need to exist to control that this valuation is real as to not incur in artificially inflating the values of your assets to make you look less indebted. How is that not accounting fraud? You might as well say your toyota corolla is worth 2 million euros therefore you're a millionaire. Who would actually agree to your valuation if not for someone else looking to do accounting fraud too? Would a bank agree that your toyota corolla is worth that much as to offer you a 3 million dollar loan with the car as a guarantee? I think not. Neither can Juventus or Barcelona claim that they have that much money worth of players if they can't sell them for what they claim they're worth.
@Mebsuta No you're toyota would be worth millions if someone is willing to pay. When someone is willing to pay then value arises. And besides even if you want to add a third party there won't nearly any big signings and where's barca point deduction or is european football a joke?
@@Mebsuta if someone is willing to value your car at 2 million euros and therefore pay 2 million euros for your car, then we've valued the car at 2 million. Would it be inflated? Yes. Would no one else likely not be able to pay for it? Sure. That doesn't negate the fact that THOSE TWO CLUBS valued Arthur and Pjanic at their respective costs.
@@redwall1521 which UEFA investigated and found them guilty for. Because they obviously colluded to artificially increase the market valuation of their assets to make themselves look more profitable.
@@SP_91 I'm under the impression that you're saying that a crime indeed took place, but that because the crime is common and not enough people are being arrested for it, that every criminal guilty of this should go free, since it's unfair to only catch some criminals but not all.
for clarity, juventus reached an agreement with uefa to be voluntarily excluded from the conference league. it's not the same as being banned they wanted to please uefa and not be banned for future seasons
they won 22 points and drew 10 , so 76 points, they were docked 14 points. not 10
I'm not gonna pretend I understand the cases, I am still confuse with many methods of transferring players and many schemes to avoid FFP rule's.
Easy.
Sell player: 100% of player value counts in your favor in FFP.
Buy player: Only a fraction (1 divided by the number of years the contract lasts) counts against you in FFP.
Therefore the incentive to create high value transactions in swap deals, the purchase is a problem only years down the road, the sale is instant bonus.
2 breaches minus 10 points and banned 1 year in european. Does this law only appiled in Italy ?
There are some information wrong here. Slight details but still.
Juventus has negotiated with Italian Football Jurisdiction for Prisma, therefore admitting the crime despite whatever they say to the press. Therefore they were deducted 10 points and fined 750k euros by Serie A, but the request in first trial was the relegation. This is also why the did not appeal to the penalty they’ve been given.
still waiting on that barca punishment from Uefa
What is it with repeatedly misspelling 'swap'? Come on, guys.
The real reason uefa got involved was the emergence of the super league and the breakup between agnelli and infantino... In Italy the prosecutor wanted a 9 point deduction but the committee decided on 15 points before the Napoli game and then reversed shortly after, they then resubmitted the claim and decided for 10 points the weekend juventus was going to play Napoli again.
Exactly… basically revenge… if I’m not mistaken it was actually ceferin who was really good friends with agnelli and took it as betrayal
Everybody is always against juventus everybody has been doing this for years big teams like Barca and city do it in even larger extremes but no one complains.
So they've done it all alone???
What has Allegri to do with the ban? Why is his photo on the thumbnail?!
That dishonesty basis was not explained hehehe
I simply couldn’t concentrate after seeing ‘swap’ misspelled three times.
It's not misspelled. "Swop" is a variant of "swap". Use a dictionary.
They did the trick where two people have 20 bucks, then one person pays 30 for the other person's 20, but then they say they both made money 😂
Remember match fixing for Juve and AC Milan almost over 15 years ago? relegation and fines.
Conspiracy theory: Juventus intentionally committed or revealed their guilt because they somehow got into the Conference League, were ashamed of it, and somehow wanted to get out of it. 🤣
Juve finished in CL places without point deduction. So avoiding Conference league would have happened if not found guilty.
Juventus were basically guaranteed to get a UCL spot, then came the ban, so it didn't matter. The point deduction made them 7th, not themselves.
meanwhile city over here enjoying life
It’s amazing how UEFA and all of the club competitions go out of their way to make sure FFP works for the richest people and yes they still break it. But hey, I guess we are supposed to applaud Juventus achievements while they breaking the rules? That’s how it seems to work with city
Meanwhile Manchester city won a treable with 700 million euros deal and zero ffp accountability 🤦🏻
Isn't 'swap' the more standard spelling?
Yes, even in the UK now. It's quite an archaic British spelling now.
Now Ajax instead of Juventus that has a chance to become the first club to win the ECCC/UCL, UEFA Cup/UEL, E/UCWC, and UECL.
Juventus don’t care about uecl 😂 rather be banned for a year than play that joke of a tournament
@foltzy I disagree. If we were in that competition, Huijsen, Soulé, Illing Jnr., Yildiz, Miretti, etc would be enjoying much more playing time by now and it would have made their transition to the first team much easier.
@lestertettey3967 And you would receive monies (not as much like CL/EL, but....) from the tournament as well as advertisement/exposure.
what's a swop?
So based on this shouldn't Barcelona also be investigated and potentially indicted?
Why wasn't there a ban on transfers? The use of player transfers was the mechanism to cheat.
Whatever happened to the investigation to signing underage players? Barcelona (1 yr), Atlético(1 yr), Real Madrid (6 mo.) and the Spanish FA were found guilty violating Fifa transfer rules of youth players and there was going to be punishment for the rest of Europe. Six years later, the Spanish big 3 were only European clubs "guilty" of youth player transfers....
Chelsea also suffered a similar penalty, no?
another insightful Tifo video... you guys don't miss
Čeferin has a problem with Agnelli (because of super league idea) that's it and Juventus paid the price. Juventus can sell their players for any amount they want like any club ! Nothing wrong with that
That's not how it works. Sale prices are like any high money transaction subject to financial regulations. These exist mostly to protect the public (as in you and me) from bankers, traders other rich people and their money managers damaging the economy, and are supposed to create an incentive structure for book keepers, to not let individual risks infect the wider economy. What happens when these regulations are too loose? Well, remember the 2008 banking crash and the subsequent global economic crisis? There are many many examples. These rules are obscure to most, because most people deal only with their personal money and not big money business transactions, but these rules are important to ensure a functioning economy.
If you artificially inflate assets, then you might be in violation of financial regulations. This is a very specific case in football, but in other fields of the economy, people might actually go to jail if they purposely assign false valuations to their assets. If banks or investors buy you business, and you valuated your land and property 10 million Euros, but then it comes out its only worth 1 million Euros, you will get sued, prosecuted, the whole works.
The only reason why the punishment for Plusvalenza was revoked is, because it could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, that the clubs actually colluded to inflate the player sales prices. That doesn't mean clubs with swap deals can just make up fantasy numbers.
In a couple of years we’ll have to go to the stock exchange and the courts to work out who the winners are..
Football is dead to me
A lot of the info in this video is wrong Pjanic/Arthur deal was not used in the case.
You forgot to mention that they weren’t punished for breaking any financial rules (because there were none) the prosecutor / court used article 4, which is for sporting disloyalty (no definition for what that is) - but it can have whatever punishment they deem “suitable “
Middle East is Europe’s sugar daddy. PSG chairman got no penalty after threatening referee with death.
how bout man city one ? will they get relegated to league 1 or they too scared to do that and jus throw them to championship
Juventus is literally getting punished for the super league it's obvious
Now explain why and how Barça got away from it!
From Plusvalenza? Juve got away with it too. The supposed punishment was revoked by the courts, because the collusion to inflate assets could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
What did Juve in was the Prisma scandal, the hidden wages, and they did that all on their own, the punishment for this was upheld in the courts.
I don’t get it
I smell the wage issue may come to haunt Man City and Pep's other jobs
Italians being funny with money no way who would have thought 😂
Of course Juve didnt apeal the European ban, they didnt qualify anyway with the previous deduction
So Barca are charged too then….?
But only juventus was penalized while barcelona was excused. So fair. Let alone man city and chelsea.
This is stupid, VAR is anoying, 5 subs is cool....But VAR has made it an entirely different game, ruined tempo, and momentom...plus all the celebrations fer dissallowed goals?? The scandle at a bar between fans over the game, is what soccer should be!! Samacca scored a nice goal dissallowed today in the Copa La Dea vs Viola!!
Oh my Juventus
Who is possibile that psg and man city non beraking ffp
These clubs should learn more from Man City. Always appoint good lawyers before the scams.
Manchester City, with 100+ FFP charges: No penalty
Juventus, with 2 FFP charges: Ban AND -10 points
Everton, with 1 FFP charge: -10 points
????
The key word there is 'charges.' You don't get punished for charges, you get punished for things that are proven.
So many hypocrisy in UEFA itself.
Still being investigated. When there are more charges obviously it will take longer to fully investigate them
@@joepieklit was proven by uefa, it was just too late.
@@IVIRnathanreilly It wasn't proven by UEFA. It was thrown out by CAS. Only a small number of the charges were time-barred and they were largely the same as the charges that were thrown out. Loads were heard by CAS any every single one of them came back 'insufficient evidence.' The only thing that got upheld was failing to cooperate with UEFA, which they stopped doing after private documents were being leaked to the press by UEFA. It's amazing how everything thinks UEFA is corrupt to the core, but as soon as they attack a team you don't like (i.e. are jealous of) you're suddenly all UEFA fanboys.