Trust What You Hear In Your Room - ARC Studio Advanced Room Correction System
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- Опубліковано 25 лют 2024
- We took the new, updated IK Multimedia ARC with the 4th Generation software, through it’s paces and shot out three sets of monitors, Quested S8’s, Kali IN-5’s and KEF Q15’s. We did three sets of 21 point microphone placements around the listening position. We then fairly easily tweaked the EQ to our personal preferences.
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Do you have room correction for your speakers? Do you know your room well enough to hear through issues? Your room has a big impact on how you hear your music.Many factors such as the size, shape, materials and furniture all work to distort the frequency and stereo balance of your monitors, degrading your sound. You can purchase the ARC Studio here: sweetwater.sjv.io/DKg7nj
Using Sound Ref. ID, but yes, I have bounced a few tracks forgetting to disable it, and made more work for myself. This is a great new product.
Marvellous! Thanks for sharing my friend!@@davidallenhammond2777
My Neumann monitors have some room correction DSP built in - but I haven’t been able to get them set up correctly. Whoops!
Dumb question maybe, but does the use of Arc Studio avoid the need to correct the sound of the room? (for people like me who haven't done it yet since it's so complicated)
I currently use ARC 3 and I would love to have the ARC studio. Never forget to bypassed it because I use the listen bus in studio one which mean nothing inserted on the listen bus is actually in the rendering path. However, it does not replace acoustic treatment at all and but minimize the quantity of acoustic treatment I need to make them sound good and flat. In the end it is an EQ so some problem will not be fixed with that, like comb filtering. I would love to try the studio more for the hardware processing instead of the CPU load. And the new algorithm looks a bit more clean and accurate
Hey there.
Long time sonarworks user here. Installed arc yesterday. Sounds way more natural ❤ definitely a game changer
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
Warren, I want to pause everything and express a word of thanks. I've been watching several past episodes on compression, EQ, mixing in general, the basics. What stands out most prominently is how you've grown into this role of educator. You enthusiastically share. This quality is really the best of humanity. I really mean that. It's in the same realm as leadership and its close cousin, selflessness. I wonder if, when growing up, you ever imagined you'd be helping so many others to both advance their careers and dreams, as well as those of us who simply love music and want to learn for learning's sake. You're covering us all, mate. Thank you.
Wow! Thank you ever so much! That really means a lot! I really appreciate it
I installed mine today. Most of my response was flat except for a huge peak/dip in the low end. Sounds so amazing now. GAME CHANGER
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
Where in the low end
@@mikemcguinness1304 huge peak at 60, huge dip at 90
Sir Paul’s original Bass has been found and is restored and back in his hands again !!!!! Did you know his Hofner Basses didn’t have fret markers on the edge of the neck like normal. This is crazy for a singer/Bassist.
Yes, crazy! Amazing he got it back
“It’s goodbye from me and it’s goodbye from him” The Two Ronnies! 😂❤
Haha good spot!
If you are creating great sounding mixes in your room already, you don’t need it. If you are failing the house and car test YOU DO. I have had it since I got in my new room and wouldn’t be without it.
I really, really can't express enough just how much I love my Kalis. Inexpensive and amazing. Interesting to see what the new ARC system says about them, too.
Marvellous! Couldn't agree more!
@@Producelikeapro Hey Warren, hope you're feeling better!
Thanks ever so much@@guitboxgeek
What Kali’s do you have a Like?
@@snoopywalker1881 I have LP6 originals - can't recommend them enough.
Studio one has a listen bus in the DAW after the master bus. That is where room correction goes. Mixdowns only include up to the master bus. Never have to worry about disabling it
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
Similarly, Reaper has a "Monitor bus" which follows the Master bus so plugins there aren't involved in a render.
Still, one advantage of an external box, is that you can train your ears to your whole system regardless of which application is running. Sonarworks Reference tries to do this by highjacking the system audio, but it flakes on me quite often, so I generally leave it disabled.
Marvellous!@@randaji thanks for sharing! You can of course in pro tools and probably all other DAWs create two master busses, one for monitoring and one for bouncing.
I’ve used ARC for years and I’m very happy to get a latency free version with hardware. That was always the one irritating thing for me. Great stuff IK 🎉
Thanks for sharing!
You gotta love technology. This looks fantastic, thanks very much gentlemen for the review
Our pleasure! Thank you Joey
Great video! Finally i get to see correction curves of other studios :)
Marvellous! Thanks ever so much for sharing
I"ve used ARC 1, 2, and 3 and I just ordered the hardware and the new software today. Can't wait for it to arrive.
Thanks ever so much
Thanks ever so much for sharing
For me with these software the best approach might be to emulate the orignal response curve of the speaker with the post target thingy so that tonally they sound the same, but without the uneven dips and bumps.
My Neumann KH120 II were overly bright and dry sounding with the "flat" response, but tailoring it back towards the original response was a big game changer! Sounds just as full and robust but with amazing phase accuracy and stereo image, as well as the weird muddiness gone!
Thanks for sharing your process!
Great video, superb review
Thanks ever so much!
Yet again, awesome deep dive video. Thankyou Warren.
Thanks ever so much
Seeing the differences it’s eye opening , I need that !!
Marvellous!
Glad to be able to help!
Thanks to you both for doing the reveiw.Ordered the ARC4 Fri.Got a pair of Barefoot 03's NAMM weekend.My small home studio has Never sounded so good.Looking forward to getting the ARC4 set up down here.Subbed for a long time.Love your studio monitor reveiws,and interveiws. Best Regards..
Thanks ever so much for sharing! I really appreciate it
Been using krk's ergo since 2008 with absolutely the results I bought it for. Even have a backup one!
Marvellous! Thanks ever so much for sharing
I have a new ARC Studio sitting at my feet, waiting for me to install it.
I use an RME Fireface UFX II. RME just introduced for this line of interfaces a built-in room correction feature, which stores settings in its FPGA, and can be used on any or all (up to the limitations of its memory) of the Fireface's physical outputs. Right now, you can manually enter up to nine bands of settings (EQ, Freq, and Q) plus per-channel delay and Volume calibration. I also have Sonarworks Reference ID, and I derived data from the Sonarworks measurement (RME states that there will be automatic import of this data at some point, since Sonarworks already offers export of their measured data for a few other devices). No extra cost, and runs on your audio interface with zero latency!
Thanks ever so much for sharing! I really appreciate it
I used KRK Ergo until I could not due to it becoming dated, and a computer / interface upgrade. I was pleased with the results.
Despite massive upgrades to gear/ monitors/ plugins / room treatment over the years, I struggle with some mixes in ways I did not with the Ergo. The ARC studio may just be the answer.
One thing I would have done differently in the calibration in this video is have Nick seated in the listening position and Warren moving the calibration mic around him. This is because the person sitting in the mix position is very much part of the sonic equation. This also means the person moving the mic needs to stand well clear while the readings are being taken.
Tanks for sharing your experience and also the great idea!
love it gonna buy one for the college..
Marvellous! Thanks for sharing!
Cool , im interested in that arc studio. Now Warren Tests it 👍
Hope you enjoy it the review! Fun times
Peace. Love the ARC system still using version 3 on my Cheese grater Mac
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
I just installed this Arc Studio system tonight on Trio 6 BE after a protracted wait for it to arrive. Its the real deal. I was not only shocked at the difference for what little this costs, I was surprised where the deficiencies were identified. The bottom end was right whacked before correction, despite reasonable room treatment. I think will be mixing with a lot more confidence moving forward. Thank you for the great review.
Should have mine this week!
Marvellous!
I’ve ordered mine!
Marvellous
Guess if you were doing multiple speakers it might make sense to mark the floor with some tape for each position so you can replicate them easily across each set of speakers
Yes, luckily there was a carpet with markings on it!
I want one!
Marvellous
I've been using arc3 on my main computer output for a while now. Everything goes through it so I am really sure of how something should sound in my room now.
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
i've trying to use it as an over all like when i watch youtube but can't figure out
@@frankharley442 I use an app on Mac called soundsource and load arc 3 as an AU within that.
I use soundsource on mac and arc works a plugin inside that@@frankharley442
i use sound source and arc is then a plugin inside that @@frankharley442
I am well aware of the Trinnov correction product and also aware of the reverse hockey stick curve of consumer or Prosumer product pricing over time. When I saw this review I was surprised at the price and since it is well within point and click range I bought and installed it. Although the integration process instructions from IK need some work, the product is excellent. I have MTMs as my Alt monitors so I am using the Arc Studio only on my KALI IN8v2s. A big upgrade to my system. Better resolution, better image solidity. (Pics of my midfield setup are available.) Thank you for the review.
Thanks ever so much for sharing! I really appreciate it!
Arc is great
Thanks for sharing!
This is the first thing i would consider other than trinnov and i sure cant afford that. All the other offerings the phase seams off. I think they are all great products but I could see this working for me. Be Safe.
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
Got mine today. I’ve been using Soundid by sonarworks for a year now. I’m much happier with the correction the Arc made and using two MTMs with a 10’’ sub (crossover at 80hz) I feel the sound after the correction smoother and more natural. The bump at the low mids was detected by both SoundId and Arc but I preferred Arc’s correction AND the ease of the hardware always-on-if-you-want system.
Thanks ever so much!
thanks for the video, would be nice to compare if two different sets of speakers (i.e the kali and the bookshelf) sounded the same after applying the correction toward the same target, as the idea around the correction system is audio standardization and not aesthetics
Absolutely! WE got the bookshelf sounding considerably better, but they just can't reproduce the highs, whatever amount eq we applied!
@@Producelikeapro Thanks a lot for the answer! regarding the kali and quested, do you think they sounded kind of equally?
I mixed a couple of days ago and preferred the Kali's to the Quested@@manonthelivingroad
Looks like a winner for those of us in the lower price range of studio setup. i.e. those of us at home, or in lower end studios who can't really afford (or know how to) optimise the listening environment. My set up is pretty modest, based round Logic with a QU16 mixer and Focal Alpha 80s. I did have it in one room, but i found i was really badly overemphasising the bass end of mixes, because of the setup and the room. Moved my setup into a larger room, and am now aware of the bass end "bloom" due to placement. Working on that to help, but i suspect this will be a godsend to many of us.
Will it fix the issues due to the probably less optimal room set-ups that many of us have? No. But it looks like it can certainly help a great deal. And for that price, it looks like a no-brainer.
Does also suggest that doing a calibration with this, that you can then modify (if you have the space) the room and see how that works with the resonances you have in the room. So it COULD also help. with optimising the room space first, and THEN optimising the monitor system to improve it even more, where you can't change the physical layout for other reasons.
Thanks ever so much for sharing your set up and your experience with us!
Warren have you tried the slate VSX would love to hear your opinions on it!
Stay tuned! Loving what I've heard!
The Kali IN5 do have that dip due to the coaxial design. The have a statement in the manual that you should not correct this. I use the Kali IN5 with Sonar works and did spare that area for the correction. That worked fine for me.
Interesting! Thanks for sharing!
I LOVED the results we got with the Kali's and started mixing with them and ARC and it sounds amazing!
Could be a good product, but haven’t had a great experience with IK Multimedia in the past. With the exception of their Sunset Sound room , which is fabulous.
EXACTLY the same experience with IK here!
🤷🏼♂️
(BTW, this box only does eq, no phase or timing correction - so, as practical as it is to have it in hardware form, it still introduces an additional A/D & D/A conversion passage into the monitor path just to eq. Those of us more handy with audio gear and used to analog outboard could do the measurements with freely abailable pro software and a simple omni/measurement mic, patch in a good old 31 band analog graphic eq before the monitors, correct, re-measure, refine to taste, et voilà.
Perhaps... 😉)
@@PrantoKoXone would imagine that people who do their own room correction in analog already are and are definitely not the target audience for a $299 product
@@Producelikeapro Ha ha, could be, yeah!
Although those trusty KT/Ashly/BSS/etc 31 band graphics are going for really cheap, these days...
😉😉
Indeed, now all you've got to do is ring out the room with a mic and room correction software to find out what frequencies to notch out...wait...that's what this does! Ha @@PrantoKoX
Hehe,,I was just about to order!
Haha nice! Glad to help Kenneth!
Nice job with the pricing, Eric! Ordering right now! 🤘
Marvelous Hope you enjoy it!
Hi, I wonder if you measure the corrected speakers with sonarworks now, what would it measure?:-)
Interesting!
Today I worked in the room with the ARC system on the Kali IN-5's and I loved it! Sounded great!
Good stuff as always. On the Kali In-5's, it might be best to not try to correct that dip around 14kHz because its a directivity issue, so boosting the on-axis response there will cause an unwanted response off-axis. Our friend Charles Sprinkle can hopefully elaborate.
I have the ARC Studio and I would just say to be careful about how much it attempts to boost the bass. I've seen it try to boost over 10dB which is huge.
Are there any special considerations that need to be made when using with a subwoofer?
Great question! I'd love to know IK's opinion on this!
Just picked this up...one thing you didn't pick up on that I think helps correct things in more detail where you were trying to correct things by dragging the eq points, is select the Correction Type on the Edit page to Sharp. To my ears it still sounds transparent but it does make things more surgically flat.
Thanks ever so much for sharing Geoff!
Hey Warren and friend, thanks so much for doing this! You missed one advantage of an hardware room correction: It's always on! Thus, if you listen to Spotify or UA-cam (for example), it's going through the room correction too - which means it's better for reference! With software you had to create a loopback and listen to the streaming service through your DAW. I'm very excited about this.
We definitely talked about that advantage! Everything will go through it and you won't have to change the set up for monitoring, mixing, tracking etc
@@ProducelikeaproIndirectly, yes, obviously. But when you were listing the main advantages at 1:35 you mentioned exactly THREE: 1. Not having to disable a plugin when bouncing. 2. It comes with its own microphone, so they know it works with it. 3. That it comes with 0 latency, which enables you to use it while tracking.
All I'm saying is, that for many homestudio producers, the upside of it being always on (while you're casually listening to music and "getting to know" your speakers and references) is one of these main key advantages and I feel it could have been mentioned specifically. For me, this is a main selling point to hardware room correction.
just to be clear: I'm not pointing this out to throw shade on the video. I'm trying to add value in the comments. I'm not trying to be negative, I'm trying to be constructive.
Absolutely understood!@@akagerhard
Hm the system audio part of SoundID also affects UA-cam and Spotify etc. So not a general fact at least.
I use arc 3 software and it helped tremendously. I only forget to shut it off 20% of the time now. Lol. Kudo's to IK for a good affordable correction solution. !!!!!
Haha thanks ever so much for sharing!
At first Warren said 21 pints…😂 sounds good to me ❤
Great video , thanks a lot ! Would be cool , if IK would follow it up with a "pro" version . maybe with 2 or more switchable speakerpair outputs ( which also switch profiles ) And an ADAT or SPDIF input ( I wonder if that woulkd be more expensive than the AD converter ). Thanks again,cheers
We created three profiles for the speakers and were able to switch between them. Would you need more?
@@Producelikeapro No . Currently I am doing the speakerswitching in software with the cubase/controlroom feature and separate outputs from my interface . With this hardware unit I would need to buy an additional switching device . It would just be easier if - with one button push - you could switch speaker outputs and the software profile . But maybe I just sell my NS 10s . Thank you
Aha I see, yes, it would have to be a speaker switcher with multiple outputs, I'm sure that's possible however of course it would be more expensive @@saschakuhn2660
You can say this definetly sounds nice to avoid the latency for speakers only. Sound ID have the extra advantage of being able to work on headphones too
Thanks for sharing!
Rew Room EQ Wizard is free and my soundcaft si expression1and time for the room correction.. perfect sound in my littel Studio ❤😉😎👊
I know! I did a video on it 5 years ago! Haha ua-cam.com/video/6RiuwqzjqlQ/v-deo.html
@@Producelikeapro is a real good software and free!🙂
Marvellous!@@mosermichael4404
Warren mentioned having to remember to turn off the plug in before bouncing. Reaper has a monitoring effects bus that is for monitoring purposes, as the name suggests, but is ignored when rendering.
Does Pro tools not have something like this?
That’s very cool! Thanks ever so much for sharing
@LetsTalkAboutReaper The way to do this in Pro Tools is to set up one bus for monitoring and another bus for exporting/bouncing. There are UA-cam tutorials which show how to do this. By the way, love your channel man, Reaper was my first DAW and I learned a lot from you.
I've used ARC for years. Nick selected "Studio - Monitor Spot" in the ARC Analysis software and I would have chosen "Project Studio" based on the size of his desk and proximity to his speakers. So ARC thinks his speakers are at least a couple of feet further away than they actually are. (OK, I'll keep watching now...)
Plus, Nick needs to move his body out of the way when it's making the sound sweeps! Gosh, OCD is rough.
Question: the hardware only stores 1 profile at a time, right? Meaning, this isn't necessarily great for correcting all of your speakers at the same time such that you can easily switch between them, is it? You had to load a new profile onto the hardware each time?
Haha @@MikeBrayton we did it a couple of times with him well out of the way and the results were pretty much identical.
We stored all three profiles@@MikeBrayton the adjustments are done via the connections from the computer to the hardware.
@@Producelikeapro phew!
I wonder if the fact of standing here and there in the room during the measurements, with more or less people around, influences the measurement. Shouldn't we do these measurements with the sound engineer in his place? Is it just an EQ correction or are the phase problems also corrected?
It's an EQ correction, Trinnov does phase correction as well.
I know from my days recording live sound that you always want to record room tone with everyone in the room in roughly the same positions they’ll be in during the main recording. Your body will generally be seated in the listening position while you are mixing and therefore influence how sound is bouncing around the room. It made sense to me when I did my measurements to be seated in or as close to my regular listening position while making the measurements.
I'd be interested in trying this again while seated and then comparing the measurements!@@alexandereditsvideo I'm guessing you believe there will be a significant difference to justify it? Thanks for sharing!
@Producelikeapro I’d be very interested to learn if there is a significant difference. Maybe I’m wrong and the difference would be minimal but we won’t know until it’s tested, and I myself do not have the patience to do so. If you find the time to make this experiment let us all know what you find!
That's right. It's important to account for where bodies will be in the room when doing the measurement.
Question: can you load your own reference mic profile into the software? What if I have a more expensive Earthworks mic for example? Some of these products allow you to enter the mic calibration serial number, so curious if possible even if you get the mic in the package.
I swore by Sonarworks for a long time, but when I got my new laptop I didn’t bother to install it. Latency was always an issue and since I keep getting better reference monitors anyway I figured it was time to move on. This product might change that POV. Good deal world demo, much appreciated!
Interesting! Yes, I too have an amazing Earthworks mic! Completely love it! Might be worth trying it, I'm sure the results would be stellar
@@Producelikeapro all reference mics come with a calibration file and serial number which can be loaded into calibration software, the specific question I have is whether Arc 4 software allows for you to load in these cal files or can pull from the cal file database that’s online. My research tells me that Arc Studio software did have this feature (similar to Sonarworks), but I can’t find anything online to clarify if Arc 4 does as well. Thoughts?
I unfortunately don;t know the answer either!@@seanrichards9569
You can force it to fill in notches if you change the correction type
Would be interesting to take your speaks into different rooms and see if you get consistent results.
Interesting! I expect the results would always be good, depending on just how bad the rooms were! A concrete box is always going to sound like a concrete box haha it might get 'better' however it would still have THAT sound! Haha
Sharp correction type forces a flatter response
I’m interested to see a video of SoundID reference, analysing the corrected speakers by ARC. It should come back with a profile which is not edited that much
I like it...what happens when you add a sub into the mix?
I would remeasure of course with the sub!
@@Producelikeapro but how would this unit process the sub information with only outputs for the L&R 🤷🏾🤔
Can it be used for live music (FOH). Is the latency low enough?
Really hope for a pro version with digital i/o.
Don't need to worry about turning off any correction in Reaper when bouncing/rendering if you put the correction on Reaper's monitoring buss.
Marvellous! Thanks ever so much for sharing
Very cool, thanks guys!
From looking at the information in the calibration files, I think a little bass trapping will help the modes in the lower freqs.
Warren,
Your reviews are often bad for my wallet , as is the case here😁
Haha sorry for hitting your wallet hard! FYI I mixed there yesterday and it sounded great!
Lots of nice goodies in that room to play with.
Sounds like you folks had fun!
How is the phase and definition of the sound field with the device in line?
I figure you could put a few of those in a room so all the monitors have correction.
All I can say is that they were easy to work on and sounded the way I am used to decent monitors in a decent room to sound@@johnchase3920
Thank you🙂
You';re very welcome@@johnchase3920
I kept waiting for them to put this in an external box. I have the Precision MTMs and got this to try it with my Trident HG-3's.
Marvellous!
Sounds like they listened to you
Did you notice any difference w/the Arc studio
I think it arrives today, so I haven't had a chance to mess with it yet. I am curious to see how this will compare to the MTM's, which are fantastic in my opinion.@@Bville-E
@@MiximusMaximusthanks! Please let us know how you get on
IS this a trameleuc akusticguitar in the backgroung? It looks so damn familiar like the one i do have. That would be a very funny coincidence, since ive never seen this guitar ever (except for in my room ;) )
Not sure! That's a Nick Sowden question! Nick?
I think it won't work with my current setup as i'm using four outputs on RME interface, using two subwooers and doing the crossfade on Totalmix software.
Aha. We went into a switching unit, the SPL, so we didn't have that issue.
I would have done a 7 point first then a 21 and see if there is a difference. I bet not much if any at all. It seem to be taking an average but this averages are all taken from the first 7, As always a great vid and I may buy one of these and compare it to my analog setup using pink noise and 32 band eq hardware.
It didn't take that long so we went with the moire through approach! If it was a huge amount of time I might have skipped, but didn't;t seem prudent given how easy it was to do.
btw Warren.....How to Save a life is amazing brother
Thanks ever so much
That shirt is TIGHT :D
How does it sound tho?? I’m really worried about the way it corrects the sound especially the deeps. Isn’t the deep correction causes all kinds of problems?? And correction goes way too high frequency… does it keep the sound natural?
Sounded great in Nick’s room! We are going to revisit it and see what he thinks!
You can limit your target FR range to whatever you wish.
I have a question. Shouldn't one be sitting in the mix position while the test is going on? Does that make sense?
WHAT ABOUT Different spl's though ? is the room response going to be drastically different ? cos when were mixing we swich between quiet, loud and average sound levels. surely the software should be tetsing the room response at different volumes ?
You always check and calculate at the optimum level where all frequencies are perceived even.
Great video, thank you very much. Yesterday I was curious and downloaded the demo version and then measured it without the original microphone and instead with a Behringer ECM 8000 and the appropriate calibration file. I have a full range system from KSD and my room has a slight emphasis at 100Hz. With the correction, however, all reference tracks and my own mixes sound very boxy and narrower than without it. What could be the reason? Maybe the mic?
How does it read on the graphic? It will show what frequencies are exaggerated in your room.
it shows what I already knew from other measurements, so that seemed to have worked well. Usually I correct that with a simple EQ what sounds much better to my ears.
Hmm intersting, I wonder what is sounding different then?@@michaelwitteband
Phase?
Not sure, that's not the results I'm getting here@@michaelwittebandwould have to be in your room and remeasure to hear what could be happening for you
sooo, a pair of Brit-iots then?
as always, great vid. i've had ARC as software for a couple of years, but the box is a compelling upgrade for sure. i'd rather hear ALL of my system audio correctly, not just my daw.
Hahan yes! Two Britiots!
quite. i said it out the gate, but imagine my chuckle when you actually repeated it at the end, lol.
great minds and all that rot ;-)
luv ya!
@@Producelikeapro
Haha thanks ever so much!@@dnashofficial
Question! I own the New Adam A7Vs with built in Sonarworks I can upload my profiles Directly into the monitors and close the software for zero Latency' Would the arc studio still be a good purchase? Or would you stick with sonarworks? Being that I can upload my profiles directly into the monitors themselves.?
You can really hear what it is doing and I can get a picture how it would sound in my room . I am still not sure if it has a dry /wet control to dial it back , i will google that now . Since Sonarworks seems to be installed on that computer , it would have been cool to get a comparison (-: But I would probably not hear any differences via roommicrophones / youtube codec. Are the "visual correction curves" similar ? A followup / second impression would be really interesting. cheers from a krautiot
You can reduce the amount of EQ moves being applied very easily, the settings are fully customisable
I just watched the video again , got it . That looks good. Thanks
Marvellous!@@saschakuhn2660
Does this replace SonarWorks? Pros/cons of each? I know it has a microphone as well. Just trying to see what you say is the best way to go, since I'm new with this. Thanks:)
I second your question. :)
Hi Scott, would you be using for speakers and headphones?
For value for money for speaker correction only this is a great deal!
Speakers only here.
That's for sure, but I still wonder how much of a jump in quality it would be compared to my Sonarworks solution. :)
I thought this was ROOM Correction software?? I mean, I would expect this program to make EQ corrections to the speakers for the ROOM I am in? vs correcting the speaker design. Am I missing something here?
Hi Brad! I'm not sure what the confusion lies? The EQ correction IS for the speakers in the room. Thanks
Which one is Morecombe and which one is wise :-)
I think only us Old English will understand that one.
I ordered mine yesterday and it will replace my Sonarworks (I hope).
I predict they will sell loads at $300 for sure.
Haha I think I'm Eric Morecambe!
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
LO yes, it's height thing! Clearly@@Producelikeapro
Could be that Sound ID is more precise with measurements?
Hmm might do a shootout! Was happy with this system, yesterday I mixed there and got great results using the Kali IN-5's.
In my opinion it makes much more sense to target a downward tilted curve than a flat one at the listening position, this is what our ears expect to hear after the sound has bounced around the room.
Yep, a horizontal line is not what you want at the listen position.
Can you clarify? The positioning was done in 21 places around the listening position (above and below etc) taking the room reflections etc into account. Where else would you want to place the mic?
@@oldman1944it’s above and below, 21 positions around the listening position. Where else would you place it?
@Producelikeapro Sorry to be unclear, we are referring to the target curve. A horizontal target curve will sound really light on bass and not representative of a typical speaker.
@@ProducelikeaproSince the measurements are taken at the listening position, you are correcting the listening position. An ideal speaker in an ideal room will not measure flat at the listening position, it will have a downward tilt from low to high frequency. This is the curve that correction software should be targetting, not a flat line. This is also the reason that it sounds bright and empty when setting it to flat.
I received my Arc Studio yesterday and have yet to set up but I had worked with Arc3 before and I have one serious complaint regarding their measurement process. Why on Earth do they make you measure seven positions at one height, and then repeat the process for ear height and again for 6 inches above ear height? This requires you to move the tripod a total of twenty times, whereas it would be much easier to move the tripod only six times, capturing the measurements at three different heights in each position before moving to the next position. God I wish they would fix this in an update!
Haha that's a very good point! I will definitely ask that question!
Bass Bass and more BASS !!! As a Bassist vocalist I have been told my playback is is like an earthquake. For some reason they don’t let me mix ??????
Hahaha thanks for sharing!
Basstastic!
Haha I can see why!
My biggest take away: If a pro can mix in a short room like that, with no apparent treatment on the back wall and window, then I can probably do just fine with my partially treated room.
Yes! I came back the next day and mixed there! It was all about the seating position which sounded great.
Hello good people. As for the first argument, it's great that Reaper has a separate monitor section where you put your correction and that doesn't get rendered. But for all system correction is great, as it happened to me to be mixing with the correction doubled. Cheers
Thanks for the info!
But can you trust this device to show a true representation of the before, it might as well be a bit sneaky without you knowing it, so it sounds better in the correcting mode haha. It would like know how my room is looking in a eq, BUT at the same time one must be able to get used to a room, it is part of the sound imo.
Thanks ever so much for sharing Ron!
Its a lot easier to get used to something that is corrected than something that is WAY off, especially if you are using budget speakers.
Very true@@weschilton
where can i buy please?
You can purchase the ARC Studio here: sweetwater.sjv.io/DKg7nj
If you go to the EDIT tab and select SHARP correction you will get an even flatter correction curve. *protip*
Marvellous! Thanks ever so much for sharing
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Thanks ever so much!
Picked the wrong set-up. No board. Needed the option above.
So i did a little experiment with my brother in law a few years ago. I was playing Babylon Sisters through Adam A77X monitoring, First with ARC (2) correction and then without. Now, my brother in law is a rev head with no interest in music production at all....but what he said is that for him, the corrected sound felt less exciting......I don't know what that means to be honest....interesting
Does this compete with the TRINNOV or is the TRINNOV superior?
It's a fraction of a fraction of the cost! It's $299, for the price the results are fantastic
@@Producelikeapro but if cost iS NOT an issue, do you like the TRINNOV better?
The thing that Trinnov is really great at is phase correlation and correction... I don't think Sonarworks or this can touch that. Also the editability of the corrections in the Trinnov are a lot more extensive as well. Also the room measurement process is lightning fast and from just one position. But its $4k with the mic....
@@KunchangLeeMusicMy guess is that there will be a difference, but for many >4k is simply out of reach. If money is not an issue, why not order both?
IF money is NOT an option then the Trinnov will do an amazing job@@KunchangLeeMusic
Change the Correction Type to "Sharp" in the Edit Screen.
the resolution seems to be less than the Sonarworks software, in my experience the big dips are mostly corrected, also sonar works has many headphone correction profiles..........but this being a hardware unit is a great plus.......................
This is specifically designed for speakers. Maybe they will add headphone profiles for people that don’t like or aren’t used to their headphones?
Of course the Arc Studio adds latency. IK says it's about 2ms with Natural mode.That makes it tough to use when tracking.
This product has been done to death, but I will say this. I upgraded to get the software, the box would not be as useful as I has a sub that runs out on a separate channel. A 2.1 would be better or 2.2. I will say thos I think the Arc 4 benefits most from its great algo and simple setup. You can do a fast 7 point setup that takes a few minutes, so much faster than the competition and honestly it sounds better!
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
What about the signal quality? Sending a master signal through a 300 USD device?
Sounds great! Used it today to mix!
We are thinking of how we can measure the differences!
Is their installer better? IKM have been like a virus, impossible to (un)install.
Very easy to install for us. Can’t speak to uninstalling
Btw, you can switch SoundID to zero latency and use it during tracking. In Studio 1 you can also use it on the Listening Bus, so the corrected signal is not in the master fader :)
Obviously it is compromised when it does that. The point of ARC Studio is that you can use it with reducing the quality at a 'low latency' setting. If the quality was the same they wouldn't need a special 'low latency' setting!
@@thesongacademy5017Latency is only a problem while tracking. And yes, zero latency does not sound as good as the linear phase EQ with 100ms latency.
Yes, that's the main difference, compromised sound with zero latency.