The Seven Dark Gods of the DC Universe
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"The Endless? The Endless are merely patterns. The Endless are ideas. The Endless are wave functions. The Endless are repeating motifs." -Destruction
The DC multiverse is filled to the brim with heroes, gods, demons, and monsters, but on the very edge of Creation lives a small pantheon filled with some of the most powerful entities to ever exist. Today, we use what logic we can to explore these mysterious deities that stretch the imagination to its limit. It's time for philosophy to take over as we finally reach a realm beyond what we know as science.
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Well this went from 0 to existential crisis real quick
Literally
Dr Manhattan is still above these metaphors that don't actually exist even in comic books, especially sense they are just "personifications" of things that are man made ideas. Ideas from beings in a lower level of existence.
Ino
@8R4ND0N 3LL1077 CRU23L1 And how do you know ~you~ aren't a comic?
Yh
“ Does being self aware really prove that you’re in charge of anything? “ that is literally one of the best quotes I have ever heard.
"We're all puppets, I'm just a puppet who can see the strings" - Dr.Manhattan
Me, an anti-nihilistic looney tune of a person: YeS.
@@KhalidElwaleed 🤔
bruh Allah/God can actually kill these 7 Gods too by killling everyone except himself because Allah/God doesnt have these 7 things so yes Allah/God can kill them
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 no he can't because without these beings Allah can't exist
The Endless are not Gods
"There are seven beings that are not Gods,
that existed before humanity dreamed of Gods,
that will exist after the last God is dead.
There are seven beings that exist because,
deep in our hearts, we know that they exist."
- Sandman The Wake
By technacalities. Yes.
But there sheer power, you can argue they are gods.
Yes they are embodiment.
Just because something is as powerful, or more powerful, than a god does not mean that it is a god. In both mythological and modern fiction there are innumerable examples of beings, creatures, entities etc. that are powerful as gods and are not considered gods. For me the Endless are above the gods but that is my opinion.
But if you're ever asked if you are a God, you say yes! Just in case
That's why the title says "Dark Gods" as opposed to Gods.
What I find most fascinating is that each Endless is not only in-charge of their namesake concepts, but also their opposites. Death is the first person you see when you were born, but when you grow up you will never remember seeing her. Dream actually has the capacity to shape reality. Destruction's favorite pastimes are all creative activities like painting and poetry.
@@Niop_Tres well actually when Destruction left, it was said that destruction in DC would continue to exist but it wouldn't be controlled by him
@@Niop_Tres no, death itself cannot be a person, she is merely a representation of death, but cant actually be death itself
@@friedegg3732 she IS death. That's the whole story. Read the comics before making that comment
@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme she seems to moredo just be the one that takes people to the afterlife or something
@@friedegg3732 actually yes youre right in that way if we think about it thats pretty much what death is. A concept that transports a living being to another plane of existence separate from the living. In the chapter Heart of the Star (i think) in the Endless nights book, we can see all beings are terrified of her. Even stars and galaxies because she is death even for them.
Exploring philosophy through the lens of comics is one of my favorite things. Most people, especially those that aren't fans, have no idea how complex some of these comics are. Keep it up!
just2have1account super hero comics are becoming the new mythology.
they will hen they become public domain.
cancer
This video is a philosophical mindfuck and I love it. I'm not even watching these videos for the comic book info anymore
The real question of this video, is, is Tyler Einstein?
@@stormbringer717 you can't kill them because they are the reason
@@stormbringer717 that is why they are the reason of the question and answer you seek. the highlight of this vid is Destiny. and such you can't remove destiny
@@stormbringer717 then the future's destiny is to be already written
sonic heroes
that is like going back in time to stop your self from doing something you have done. If you tell your self or have someone tell your past self to not do it. Then you would not have done that which you told your self to not do. There by negating the thing you have done and well, you are going to do that thing any way. All you can do is regret and learn. Or not. If you grow positive from that which you have experienced, then good. If not, well, hopefully it won't turn out bad. So, make good choices. Because, you can not change that which you have done.
And let me go here with a God that has always existed in both directions. That God has but one limitation. That God can not kill them self. Because, without that God, nothing would exist. But, nothing is something. And God is everything. God will never die. No matter how much one wants to not believe. Concepts never die. Yet, as we have seen, all concepts are achieved by mankind. Therefore, we are an achievement. And will always be here. We are a part of the creator. like it or not. And we are creators on a different wavelength. With limited ability to manipulate the frequencies we know of. "If we do not confuse their language, there is nothing that mankind will not be able to do".
*falls into the deepest existential crisis ever heard of*
Dat419 boi My God is Ignorance
JUST AS PLANNED!
Or or. You're a soul that exists outside of time and space. And it has the ability to collapse wave functions in your head. And this allows it to control the atomic and sub-atomic reactions in your head. And this power gives it power by-proxy to control your actions.
king_ Tesseract he is NOT dr.Manhattan
Khasanbek Malzagov no Dr. Manhattan has control of ALL quantum interactions in the universe. I'm saying that we only have control over the quantum interactions in our head.
Rewatch the Dr. Manhattan video. Specifically the TV analogy he lays out in it.
I just realized after 7 months that all their names start with a D
Omg I didn't realize that
You finally got it.
The will of the 'D'. 🤣🤣
Everything starts with the D 😂
DICKS
"Making a reality without dream is hard"
Reality is often disappointing.
Well it makes perfect sense. AFter all...Reality is constrainted, why a Dream is INFINITE.
Walt Disney and others had a dream of flying cars in the future....but it never came.
You don't need details to have a Dream, you just need an IDEA. You need a CONCEPT for a story...but WRITING that story? That's a different thing ENTIRELY!
It's why Reality is often times disappointing, because to MAKE something happen properly...you need countless little details. I mean we can't even get humans to use Cars in TWO Dimensional SPace properly, and you expect them to use them in THREE? Where a car could just land on someone's home and MURDER a family sitting on their couch?
In order to make something new in reality, you must create a new concept...but creating that new concept doesn't require all the detail that would require it to Transcender into Reality.
Even if you COULD get that Dream into Reality...we've seen how poorly people can excecute it. Why it can be so disappointing, is people don't think through to the CONSEQUENCES and the PRACTICE of those dreams in Reality.
EXAMPLE: Most people who win the lottery end up with FAR worse Debt than BEFORE! IN fact for MOST...winning the lottery was CURSE! Why? It's because they think of money as limitless, because to their previously lifestyle it WAS! Only now they're spending without any limits. They have all these people claiming to be relatives or wanting to be their friend...without the Lottery Winner knowing if it's legitimate at all. Even people that WERE they friends may sccumb to GREED, causing problems with friendships.
@@TheAyanamiRei essay
@@deathlydashi holmes
Such despair. Oh wait
This is why we dream.
the endless alone make dc a better constructed universe than the mcu. the deep philosophical and existential concepts conveyed through the dark ones are so deeply profound and enigmatic that it make you question evrythying that u have done and will do in your life in good way.gaiman is a genius
Yes and that’s why I hate it I hate that there part of dc I feel as if they should go independent there more like hellboy and spawn there independent they’re meant to tell stories not be a part of one
comparing comics to movies
@@j0an-07-arc6 not really a problem dc is very deep and interesting with its concepts and characters what's the problem? Or u just dislike dc and don't want them to have actual great storys and concepts
@@Elricsedric To be honest with him, Gaiman also regrets making Sandman canon to DC and they are very rarely used in the main DCU because every writer who wants to use a Neil Gaiman character has to ask him for permission as per his contract with DC. This happened when in Captain Atom's comic book, Death of the Endless was used as just another aspect to the greater Death. Obviously, Gaiman was pissed about it.
@@minartson yeah so he basically hates to be asked but it's still dc really even if it's own universe alot of stories are like that
I lost grades at school reading these graphic novels in the library! The Sandman is to this day the best and most thought/reflection provoking series I have read. Talented, talented Neil Gaiman and his team.
This is probably the most calming and yet terrifying video I've ever watched..
and so very *DEEP & DEPRESSING*
Depressing because you'll end up watching them control you instead of you controlling them :(
Bleng Diabloed no it actually works like this you control the factors that control you
DBZTRANKS - I believe so to. Regardless of their presence, we have a choice. We decide how their nature's will affect us.
How is it terrifying?
The interesting thing about the Endless is that they encompass their opposite, so Dream is tacitly also Reality, while Death is also Life, and so on. This is never explicitly stated, but hints are dropped. For example, Death mentions that everyone knows her because she was present at the moment of their birth or creation. And what this means is that while the Endless are absolute, uttermost, highest, most ultimate large-scale concepts in all the multiverses, they also embody the most intensely _personal._
Each of the Endless have a personal relationship with every single thing in the multiverses. They _know_ you, personally and individually. They have a relationship to you, communicate with you personally, interact with you, walk with you, hold your hand. While the gods embody things, the Endless _are_ those things. It's what makes them such iconic and archetypal entities. The idea that Death (for example) knows you personally, follows your exploits, is interested in what you do, and loves you no matter what you do, is compelling and deeply moving, especially when you know that she was literally present and watching when you were born, and will be there to comfort you and take your hand as you draw your last breath.
"Nobody's creepy from the inside, Hazel. Some of them are sad, and some of them are hurt, and some of them think they're the only real thing in the whole world, but they're not creepy." -- _Death of the Endless,_ from *The Time of Your Life*
The Death example is debatable. Her siblings never explicitly call her Death unless prompted by mortals first. This is because we mortals don't have a word for what "Death" ACTUALLY is. She's not just, you know, death. She's... something else. Some other immutable concept.
That's exactly what I was saying. Death is the second-eldest after Destiny, which makes sense since she was there when the very first thing came into existence (though Destiny existed first to _cause_ that existence). But she also says that she will be the very last entity to exist, to "turn out the lights" as she puts it when the Universe itself dies. So she is both the beginning and the end of all things and will outlive even Destiny in the end. And yes, we as humans don't have a single term which encompasses both life and death.
It is explicitly stated by Destruction when found by Dream and Delirium.
NoJusticeNoPeace this is incredible. Oh and with the thing where they represent both sides of the same coin (death, and life) I actually indulged in explaining that a bit more in my other comment (near the top).
And destiny frequently breaks destiny and does things that aren't meant to be, the speaking two things at once shit
But- you say DREAMS has no power here?
Tell me Lucifer Morningstar.
Ask yourselves, all of you...
What power would HELL have if those here imprisoned were NOT able to DREAM of HEAVEN?
That's a good and terrifying question. It goes for reality and dreams to though so...
lucifer really doesn't get his powers he doesn't need hell he just likes it and needs to maintain balance lucifer can solo all the endless by himself
@@98myro I know he's pretty much the second strongest being in the universe below God himself.
I'm just amazed that Dream can make even demons of hell fear him.
The concept of dream has agency cause without the concept you wouldn't exist
@@98myro it's almost like you haven't watched this video
Things that are infinite: numbers, the multiverse, god, one piece.
Lol
Nope, TWO piece is infinite
@@ghassanlaamiri8307 damn bro that's next level
a-are you referring to one piece, the manga?
@@seummersan798 yes.
*HEAVY*
JaxBlade yo You should watch Shokugeki no soma. There's no workout in the anime but the food looks good.
The anime is awesome and lots of foodporn lol
Lol this is like the 10th common video we've had jaxblade
I like heavy. especially this kind. the deeper the topic to better. only problem is (nova history channel) talks way too slow. the way Taylor did it at his speed. finally.. someone who can talk as fast as needed or as me.
I only went back 2 may 3x but was to make sure I saw one piece. and not assuming that it was one piece.
wonder if he got the wave function wallpaper from assassins creed or background theme of zorin os. it was cool
I don't know why this channel is not more popular. It is so under rated.
It's getting more popular though. I was with this guy when he was under 100k and that was earlier this year I believe.
id say 270k subscribers is pretty popular.
it's probably because he clearly spends a lot of time making these videos, UA-cam prefers to promote channels that post everyday, which would compromise the quality of the channel
Do you feel it Mr.Krabs your name and profile pic are bliss
This video is incredible. You went so far beyond just describing their roles and history in the comics and really dug into the meanings and symbolism that make these characters so freaking compelling. One of the best comic book videos I’ve had the pleasure to watch.
The most underrated channel on UA-cam
The Dark Lord Xenu i agree
Yes.
Look at the Chris and Jack channel
The Dark Lord Xenu about comics
Darth Elmo
That’s illogical
Dream is my favorite of the 7.
His nickname of Sandman gives me shivers every time hehe
Man of your dreams, eh?
@@scornbass1552 Good one
Man me a sand
thoughts if you’ve seen the netflix show?
God sure likes the letter "d"
RPBXD dinosaur
So you're saying God likes the D?
RPBXD monkey "D" luffy
and also he likes 7..
Dick
Why’s everyone sleeping on my girl, Delirium? She literally knows more THAN DESTINY HIMSELF!!!
She's by far my favorite Endless. Although I get the feeling that those secret things she knows that destiny doesn't might remain secret forever since only the absolutely deranged can comprehend them. She's great though.
I don’t think she knows more, just different. Saying she knows things that destiny doesn’t, doesn’t mean she knows MORE, just that she knows the things in his gaps. He might know the things she doesn’t. The latter was not confirmed
@@mattherrick7184 oh shoot, I didn’t even think about that.. Good point!
So Joker must be like, the ultimate follower of Delirium right?
Yup Fear, Delight, Chaos, Dread, Joy, Love is all Delirium's realm
kash smith maybe we'll find out about that in DC's current ongoing event, Metal.
New head cannon, Joker is in love with Delirium in the same way that Thanos from Marvel is in love with Death.
At first I would think the Joker was following Desire, but Desire is very logical. And the Joker is batshit crazy. So yes, definitely Delirium.
Delirium on Emperor James Norton I:
Delirium: "He's not really mine, is he? His madness... his madness keeps him sane."
Dream: "And do you think he is the only one, my sister?"
This exchange might be a better descriptor for Batman, but I think it works for the Joker too.
Tbh, Death looks kinda cute
neil gaiman (author of Sandman) said her appearance was inspired by a waitress he saw in the 80s around the time the Sandman is about to be made :)
Well you like her. Don't worry u will have her oneday
Benny Nguyen I would love to have a threesome with Death (Marvel Comics) and Death (DC Comics). 😎
Bet I won't go out with her rn
*Bet*
Kinda? She's hot ; p
God and i are Buddies. Best Intro ever
Chris Chapin I do!!
Chris Chapin
There’s no historical proof of Jesus existing
Knucklehead
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve read all day, congratulations.
CodeKillerz Oh come on. No atheists. They are so boring.
Knucklehead
You want a better argument?
There is no historical proof for a Biblical Jesus, no record of a miracle man from Galilee, nothing. The only document we have on Jesus is the Bible, which mentions talking donkeys. The Bible also has inconsistencies when compared to history.
Show me a document, besides the Bible, that can prove that a Biblical Jesus existed at some point in history
I Desire Dream. I live with Destruction and Despair. My Destiny is lost to Delirium and Death won't give me peace.
Award worthy Sentence! 🤟🏾 Lovely! ❤️
r/iamverybadass
OMG, you should be get more likes and a reward for this sentence.
that's some big peepee word ...amazing!
That is your Destiny
This is why DC/Vertigo is far superior than other comic book Publishers..
Hands down.
Yep.
By far, they have the best established existence/creation/Multiverse, beyond impressive!
Image is on the come up
*was
Neil Gaiman Masterclass ad before watching the vid. :D
Neil Gaiman wants you maybe you can say it might be your destiny or maybe a dream
the only ad i wouldn't skip
@@murrayfranklin8390 Hans Zimmer's masterclass ad is really good.
But hold on a minute. Dream himself told Desire once: "Mortals are not our dolls, we are theirs"
It is a loop.
It's because DC, and the creator of this video, fail to understand that these so called 'concepts' don't actually work. They only exist, cause we humans say they exist. Take Dream, the most contraversal point on this list. 'You can't create Reality, without Dream'... But you CAN. You see, you can't create a reality, with being that can 'dream' without Dreams. But you 100% can create a reality, that is a black void, with no life in it. And that reality, has no dreams. 'Dreams', are literally a chemical in the brain that gives fake visions, and not all creatures have dreams, and even for humans not all humans have dreams.
It's also the issue with having each concept having an opposite. Example, Life and Death. He mentions even if everything is immortal, Death still exists, just people can't experience.. But if no one can experience Death in reality, how can it exist in that reality? It is a reality with only Life, not Death. Death only exists, cause we say it exists. Even in our own world, 'Death' isn't a concept that exists, cause nothing ever actually 'dies'. The atoms break down from the whole to transform into new forms, but those items don't just stop existing. They change form, they don't die. So at the very least, Death should be renamed to Change.
Destiny as well, is one that doesn't make sense. The video states anything that is required to do something, that is Destiny. But that is A, too broad, and B, only effects life, not objects. In a reality that's a black void with no life, there is no Destiny. So it isn't an absolute. Even Change isn't an absolute.
No, these things only exist, cause we humans stand up and say they exist, and base stories on those concepts instead of on other concepts instead, or creating our own concepts.
@@Jirodyne Yep you can’t have a play without a stage, but more importantly you can’t have a play with an audience.
@@Jirodyne An empty universe must still:
1. Do something aka it has a destiny
2. Eventually die
3. Everything that isn't in that universe is dream. Dream doesn't just mean what we dream at night; it's the opposite of reality.
It seems like you didn't understand the video
@@vladudrea9747 Yeah, the word "Dream" is maybe misleading, but a good way to think about it is a story that no one has told yet. Nothing stops anyone from telling that story at any point in time, but we don't know it until someone finally has the idea to tell it. Even in a universe without any conscious beings, that story still "exists" as a conceptual thing. That is what Dream represents. All the things that could be imagined, all the things that are not real, and thus only exist in stories.
Destiny is definitely a necessity, even if we believe quantum randomness exists, and so some things cannot be predicted ahead of time, there would still be only one outcome that ends up happening. Maybe it is impossible to know destiny, but something *will* happen. This is even more true if each time something could have gone differently, it does go differently in another universe, that just means that each timeline/branching universe has its own destiny, and the destiny of the entirity of the branching timelines is that everything that can happen will happen in at least one of them.
And in an empty universe, the destiny for that entire universe is for nothing to happen. That's still a destiny.
We can't know if a universe has to eventually die, I will have to disagree with you on that. We don't even know if this one will eventually die. It will experience "heat death", but that isn't technically an end to the universe, it just means complete energy equilibrium, so that nothing can happen anymore. It will be dead only in practicality, not in actuality.
However, as with immortal creatures, death still exists, it will just be hypothetical. It will exist only within Dream. In a universe where nothing ever ends, you could still hypothesize the end of things. A universe that never ends can still be imagined ending. The concept is still necessary.
Destruction is a bit harder to classify, because it is seemingly quite similar to Death. The ending of a thing. We could separate Death and Destruction based on whether something was "alive" to begin with, in which case I don't think Death should be the end of a universe, unless that universe has consciousness. If that is how we classify it, Destruction and Death work the same. In universes where nothing ever ends, Destruction and Death are concepts of Dream, but you can also have one and not the other outside of Dream. Things can never end, but things can stop being alive, or things can end, but everything that is alive will never die.
We can also differentiate them based on the type of end. Whether it be a violent or a calm end. We generally don't apply that to the Death of conscious beings though. All living things die, whether it happens in an explosion or by old age. Still we fall to the same conclusion. They can still both be imagined in that universe, even if they don't apply to anything in actuality. They *could* apply, and so they are necessary.
And lastly, Destruction could be an act of consciousness. Creation and Destruction could both be be thought of as acts of will and intent. Language is of course often vague and inaccurate, and so we often say that rivers "create" valleys, but this would be wrong under this interpretation. Death is the end of a thing, Destruction is the act of taking something apart. In this interpretation Destruction by necessity involves Death, but not vice versa. As always though, there exists no universe in which either can't be imagined.
Desire, Despair and Delirium all work similarly, but are more directly tied to living beings regardless of how you look at it. This is also why Tyler started adding caveats to their existence. Of course, you can still imagine something that does experience those in any universe, but you'd probably find them only within Dream in a lot more universes than their older siblings. This is also probably why they are younger siblings. They only exit Dream once a universe has experienced enough time for life to develop and for that life to develop consciousness. They are lower down the rungs of necessity, and only become real later down the line.
There might be many such concepts that exist, but are not part of the DC family, and indeed you find many different interpretations in other stories. There might even be concepts that don't yet exist, but will eventually exit Dream and become real, but that all along necessarily lived within Dream. I wonder if we'll even be able to wrap our mind around what that might be
In a way, humans are like their ultimate combination.. if only in a lesser, unnoticeable way. They can face each one of their aspects and break away from those aspects for a time, or embrace them in a surprising way, even mold how they experience each Endless' aspect.
All beings, not humans. The point is all living beings are under their influence.
They seriously need to make a show about the endless. They are so fantastic.
a sitcom lol
"Desire, have you been messing around with my dream sand again?"
"Nooooooo."
Cue laugh track
Whats the story about tho? Just doing their jobs? It would be boring, but if they could make it intresting i would watch it
If they turned the Sandman run into a Netflix, BBC, or HBO series, I'd watch the heck out of that.
You might be surprised. There was one comic where Death just took Dream around for a couple people that she had to collect and it's kinda fascinating to see how people react to death and more importantly how death reacts to people. Still, there are a couple of awesome storylines I can think of for Dream. Have to have a massive budget for CGI though. The most logical place to start the show would probably be where the comic started. With Dream being captured and imprisoned for decades. Which naturally causes terrible shit all over the world. People in permanent comas, people who literally can't sleep, a couple poor souls get a hold of some dream sand and it literally consumes them while they are dreaming.
11:52 inside out just got a lot darker.
Bruh seven siblings is a small family in what universe?
Joel Haggis africa
They are seven siblings without families and other relatives.
they don't have parents or cousins or in laws so if you exclude any children it is a relatively small family. The only family that would be smaller is a group of orphans or living in a place with a high death rate or some kind of family assassination attempt. Even if you haven't met your whole family their are still family.
Family is a weird word when you look at it.
I have 8 siblings
This was mind blowing and extremely thought-provoking! Well done! This just makes the DC universe all the more amazing
DyslexicGamer They have a DC movie coming out soon. The Sandman AKA Dream.
Marvel's better
DyslexicGamer not dc idea
chim ugorji lol obviously you like garbage and dc comics literally shits on marvel
Riddem79 when ? I thought they cancelled it. Joseph gordon lewitt wanted to do a movie on sandman but he didnt get the rights
I always found Dream to be an in intriguing and very well written character with an allure that would make me read any story he's in.
When Neil Gaiman wrote The Sandman series, though some of it I wasn't overly fond of, it was always well written.
All this talk of destiny demands a video on Lucifer Morningstar. His whole character revolves around rejecting destiny.
Micheal Demirugos
Enlighten me
And inadvertently fulfilling that destiny by doing so.
Was fun to see Lucifer actually meet Destiny of the Endless. Of course Lucifer got pissed and tore off a page from his book. Lol
Been watching for about a year and this is my favorite video of yours so far.
Tyler, I love when you get as deep into philosophy as you do into physics. The first scientists were called natural philosophers for that reason. A truly brilliant mind sees them both as related disciplines. Well done as always!
Describing them as personifications of concepts themselves is probably more accurate than describing them as 'Gods' or as 'Beings'. They're not necessarily concepts, as they have names and personalities, but they represent much more than a singular being, making them personifications. Dream is not just the concept of 'dreams' but an interpretation of dreams that we can understand and process, one that is sentient and has a personality, a history, an opinion. Which is why Sandman is so great, it takes every concept that has to exist by necessity, and creates characters centered on those concepts, taking everything into account. Of course Death is just Death, she doesn't have to worry about being anything but. When you're the last being that will ever live, why take everything too seriously or too jokingly?
Love the description, Do you think nothingness and time are bound by the endless?
Holy shit! This is probably your best video.
Destiny / Choice
Death / Life
Dream / Reality
Destruction / Creation
Desire / Disgust
Despair / Hope
Delirium / Lucidity
But Delirium used to be Delight…
@@Tonyhouse1168 Delirium could be seen as a evolution/mutation/corruption of Delight, rather than a polar opposite
I actually think destiny and delirium mirror each other. Not when she was delight though, which is a minor hole for the theory. Unless that's why she changed I guess.
Whos here after watching The Sandman from Netflix
me
“Next time you experience death” funny unintended phrase
I really like that all the gods names begin with D.
D I O
Me too
they're not fucking gods
I remember back when the series came out, Gaiman didn't immediately reveal all the Endless, so people very gradually learned their names. I think there was a moment where the entire fandom stopped in their collective tracks and shouted "Wait, they all start with *D*?!"
@@alexpaleale bruh chill.
How did you turn this into a wholesome existential message about how you matter? I've watched this video so many times and it always gets me. Great job man
i've read this comment a few times before and after rewatching and i haven't figured out what the wholesome part is
@@mrdeadmemes I would say that no matter what happens, how bad things seem, however things play out, the world goes on. Wave functions ensure that everything will play out, predetermined or not. No matter what, IA was going to make this video; we were going to have our reactions no matter what. I would write this comment, whether or not it's reasonable. But he said it at the end, we don't know if we should exist, but we do, and our existence is unique, so let's make it a good experience (paraphrasing of course.) It's comforting, and wholesome that whether or not there's a god (conceptual or otherwise), we live our lives in the here and now, we can make our choices whether or not they matter. Things will be ok. We matter because we make our choices, we play out our lives, and we get to experience the things around us. Whether it's a good experience, a bad one, a long one, a short one, a billionaire putting on spandex to save lives, or a child laying in a field, feeling the sun on their face, the one thing that no one's experience is, is meaningless. To someone, somewhere, that existence has a meaning, even if only to themselves. So perhaps saying it's wholesome isn't going to be true to everyone. It's simply too subjective. But I'd rather live content that I can enjoy my existence, whether or not it's predetermined, than to spend that life concerned that I messed up my preset path. Things will play out how they will. Life will go on. You matter, because you make yourself matter, not because dream or destiny says that you do. I rambled a lot there, but there's no good way to put something like this. So I hope I shed some light on the scrambled eggs that are my thoughts.
@@bobmasters9871 ok understandable
but the video isn't saying that, it's saying it everything you do is predetermined. just direct it's not trying to leave it up to interpretation
your point of view is completely understandable, nothing disagreed there, but the video doesn't imply that. what you're saying is "predetermined or not, it's important to make people happy and be a good person" while the video is saying "you have no free will, so you better be good or you have been predisposed to be a bad person and there's no choice you can make to change it"
it's a slippery slope. you can justify anything with that. you can choose to do nothing because since you're doing it, there was no other option. you can commit murder, and think that since you did it, you were always going to do it and there's no way you could've stopped it from happening. the more you believe the idea that your choices are a result of math and not of your own free will, the more easily you can bring yourself to do things you know you shouldn't.
there are thousands of different ways to phrase it. that you live in a simulation, that you're hallucinating the universe, or that you have no free will. these change nothing about your day to day life _other_ than giving you an excuse to act what you think is immorally. to believe this is to believe that whatever you do is not your fault. it's not philosophical, it's just a lack of self awareness.
you are here in the now. what you do _is_ in your hands. when you make a typo, when you wait a second before making a decision, when you even take a breath, there are hundreds of thousands of choices you can make. to say that _somehow_ all of these functionally infinite concepts, likely uncountably times more than atoms in the universe were decided BY atoms in the universe has no logic behind it.
in every millisecond, there are an incomprehensible amount of things you can do, think, say, or all at the same time. this happens hundreds of times a second for every person that has ever lived. the idea that there exists a way to predetermine all of that within finite space (if we are to take the big bang as the 'creation' of the universe, the most common theory atm) is impossible considering there is a 'smallest' unit (strings).
do what you think is good for people. not because things are 'predetermined', do it because you want to be a good person, and you have the power to do so, and you DO have the power to do so.
@@mrdeadmemes I think you may have misunderstood my point. We seem to be saying the same thing with different outcomes. If things are predetermined, then be the person that makes YOU happy, not spending your life trying to fit into something else, was what I was trying to get at.
Good or bad doesn't really matter in that context, there just simply is. That's comforting to me. There are consequences to actions, and there should be, but dealing with those consequences won't change the final outcome, being an end to everything billions of years from now. Nothing we do matters in the long run, which ironically makes everything matter on a personal level. What he said in the video was along the lines of "whether or not things are planned out, your life is yours to live, so try and make it a good life." That line alone comes across as optimistic to me. That was all my point was about, but the overall video can be taken optimistically like I've chosen to do, or pessimistically, like it seems you have. And theres nothing wrong with that, I'm not trying to imply you're any worse off for taking it that way, it's your interpretation and it's just as valid as mine, I'm simply choosing to look at it in a brighter light. I do appreciate that we can both look at this in the depth that we can, because that's really the point either way, isn't it? To introspect? To use it to see things in a different light than you might otherwise?
Is it weird that this video how it's about everything and nothing, fiction and nonfiction is the way I think?!? It's tiring!
This is the same with the abstract entities in the Marvel Universe
Well, it's been said that fiction is just our (humanity) way of explaining reality to ourselves. And since the unknown can only be explained in terms of the known, it stands to reason that the worlds and characters we invent would ultimately reflect the characters and world that we see.
why not talking about seven dark gods of dc universe..
Same..
KilledByAwesome 228 I like your first comment, I can tell you are a very intelligent individual!
Well they made the show, they finally did it.
Do you know all of the endless are platonic concepts that Transcend the concept of dimensions. They are inherently Outerversal.
By virtue of their existence they are outerversal
Sent they basically omniversal?
A lot of characters in dc are Outerversal all new gods are platonic concepts
Destiny: *grabs eraser*
I hope the new justice league film doesn't suck ass
Nick Crompton yeah same
Seen it already it doesn’t suck. All I can say.
Sam Geurdi it hasn’t even come out
It was directed by Zack Snyder so I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.
Κωνσταντίνος Πασσιάς And Joss Whedon
And just like that, he has explained The Sandman, one of the most , if not the most difficult comic ever
Destiny made me watch this video.
Destiny made me reply to you fuck destiny!
Destiny made you curse Destiny.
Destiny made us reply to these comments
Thanks for that existential crisis The Imaginary Axis, Jesus Christ 😂😂
The whole endless exisiting in any form of fiction is actually true, the sandman appeared in rick and morty, when they stole his turtle.
RETURN THE TRUTH TORTUS
0:18 DUDE I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH TYLER IF I'M TO LET YOU MAKE UNIVERSES THEY GOTTA HAVE BINGUS.
ye they r powerful but can they beat....
the nokia phone??
The Nokia Phone is the endless for the endless
lmao
Glowing 1000 degree hot knife vs The Endless
Nope
They can beat anyone except,for,the Source and possibly The Spectre
Wait that means that.. destiny was destined to be destiny that creates destiny for other things?
Edit: what if death died? Do another death take the life of that death? What if dream is just a dream, was another dream creating another dream what if dream dreamed of a dream where there were dreams of people who dreamt of dreams?
Idk what i'm talking about
Tecnically to die you should be alive and thus the endless cannot die since theyare concepts and not beings. Destiny is not bound by destiny since he IS destiny. Dream cannot dream since he is dream and so he's at the same time everything not real and everything real, two faces of the same coin. Desire cannot desire and destruction cannot destruct itself since he would create himself while destroying himself, literal snake who bites his own tail (ouroboros).delirium cannot go insane since it is not a being. Despair does not despair, and so on. They are concepts on which everything takes basis, necessary principles. They are timeless. They are endless.
@@emanuelstornello8009 so.. destiny's age is infinite cuz without destiny nothing can be real or nothing can't be real
@@thatonedegenerate as i said he has no age since he is not born he was alway there and he will forever be there. Concepts dont age, beings do.
Inception
@Dami Fash while lucifer CAN kill her its fairly useless as she would return immediately after since its an entity essential. Kind of like doctor who. By the way, death is female.
Came back here from 4 years ago. A few days ago the dream of the live action adaptation of the sandman came true. TYLER THANKS FOR THIS CONTENT
You can't powerscale the Endless. Words like "reality warper" and "omnipotent" and "Multiverse Buster" don't fully encapsulate the *immutable* nature of them. Within the panels and pages they can be weak enough that a lesser demon can kill them, or strong enough to overpower Lucifer Morningstar (they aren't but that's not important), it doesn't matter. What matters is that they are there, they are permanent, and they simply are.
If a God is creating a Universe then they were there long before said God even thought to do so, representing the very possibility of said creation, or said God.
Before the Presence found the DC megaverse, they were there.
Before comics, or fiction itself was even possible, they were real as concepts in our very real world, ruling the lives of authors.
I have to disagree vehemently with your premise here. Several of these "aspects" of existence are unique to the human condition, and others could be eliminated entirely by an omnipotent being. Literally none of them are prerequisites of Creation nor do they represent the possibility of it; that is an utterly ridiculous statement. One does not need to dream, or die, or be delirious, or be fated, or have desire, or to despair, or to destroy, in order to create. Delirium, desire, despair, and dreaming are all consequences of complex consciousness, and are by no means inevitable. Death is perhaps one of the easiest and most predictably eliminated concepts for an entity with omnipotence, and destruction is as well. Fate is an abstract concept that was created by humans and may not even exist, or at least not in the sense that we think it does. As such, these "Endless" abstractions most certainly would not exist prior to a theoretical God's creation of the Universe, and it is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that they would be responsible for the genesis of said God in the first place.
They're just abstract beings, that's it, they embody a concept; this really isn't as rare as it is made up to be, I don't know why people are making such a big deal out of it.
Baller 738 dream is a prerequisite of creation because he represents everything that isn’t true, so therefore things being true and in reality is necessary for him, and vice versa. He explained that in the video
@@shady8045 truth is a concept created by humans, and is in no way a prerequisite to creation. What even is truth in the context of creation? It means nothing because it's not applicable. Something isn't less "true" because it doesn't exist, or vice versa. trying to make truth relevant to creation is like saying a car is heavy because it goes fast: it doesn't make any sense.
@@baller7387 You must be a power scaler if you're this unable to understand abstract concepts outside of superpowers and ridiculously long numbers. The video already explains what you don't understand about The Endless but I'll explain some of it anyway. I don't even think you grasp the meaning of the names.
No, The Endless are not human concepts in a universe full of other beings. They take the form of anything that perceives them. And yes, every being that would exist brings them into being. You can't create without desire or the ability to "dream"'. That's moronic. A "dream" is just another word for an idea. Death exists even if one being has life and gods die all the time anyway. "Destiny" is another way of saying "fate" or "that which will be". That's what I mean by not understanding the concept. It's like you're trying to figure out if time can punch harder than light. It's irreverent. Do Dream and Death exist as equal opposites to Reality and Life before, or after them? Maybe. How can you destroy Destiny without destroying the chronology of time? If a being is "sane" than it must be by some metric. Even gods despair in an imperfect universe. If you create something you destroy all other things that could have been in its place. See. It's a little more rich and complicated than figuring out which asshole can punch FTL.
If only the Endless were less edgy and more cool...
But on a serious note thanks for the video, they're always great, especially the more existential ones imo.
Edgy? if it's about their design that's just something left to the artists to decided since they are technically formless since they are able to shapeshift into since every being sees them in a different way depending on their values,mentality,spirituality,intelligence,etc.If you wanted you could draw your own version of them in your mind the forms they take in the comics is more of them taking their preferred forms to show us the readers but it's not their true form.
Have you ever read a Sandman comic? I'ma guess probably not.
Brian Rodriguez Yeah I agree about the design, in fact I've always like dogs idea of gods appearing as one would believe them to look. But just from what I've read/heard other than destiny they all seems very human. Just in the way they behave and have relationships they all act a lot like we would, which for concepts that as he said are literally up above an omnipotent person by principle in the DC universe they just seem kinda underwhelming. Anyway it was just a little jab, I didn't mean to say the characters were all terrible.
Actually, I think it's pretty fascinating to see these concepts be so... Human. Neil Gaiman is a fantastic writer and while the first comics are very dark and can be pretty disturbing at times I think they're all worth a read. It's also an interesting juxtaposition that the most powerful "people" act fairly regular while a lot of other DC characters feel like gods and ideals.
I think its the perfect amount of dark and grity
To get an idea of how powerful Dream is all on his own... JOHN IM A SMARTASS TO EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING CONSTANTINE gave this man NEGATIVE LIP!
"Try to think of a Villain who has no desire?" I don't know if it quite counts, but the closest example I can think of (admittedly from second-hand knowledge) is Galactus. For him, the destruction of worlds is merely a duty he does.
Edit: Nevermind, I watched your video on him, and even *he* has desire. Specifically, the desire to survive and, when the universe dies, to rebirth it.
Galactus isn't a villain anyway.
Even if he had no desire to survive, he would still have a Destiny.
The Beyonders, if nothing else, proves he most certainly can die too.
And boy does he cause destruction!
You look like a younger version of the Q from star trek next Gen. Which is amusing.
Best compliment I've ever gotten, tbh.
You are quite welcome, and you deserve it.
“People don't have ideas. Ideas have people.”
-Carl Jung
Hah jokes on you, I already went over this existential crisis a long time ago!
XD
This episode is very dark. I like it.
Of course it's dark, it's DC.
This is by far the nerdiest video I have seen to date. Thank you so much I learned a ton of new things & keep up the good work! You definitely have a new subscriber lol
Alan Reyes you need to read the "Sandman" series. I wished he got into how Neil Gaiman thought up the premise.
who's here after sandman
A true omnipotent could erase the Endless. They are a product of reality and like you said embody concepts. However, beings beyond concepts themselves can "beat" the Endless. This is confirmed since there are superior abstracts in DC like Father Time and Mother Night, both of whom are beyond concepts.
Rohan Rojy Whose to say that the true omnipotent doesn’t dream or that everything that the “omnipotent” god does is already saw and written by destiny? Still nonthless I dont see any omnipotents can truly erase a concept or an idea out of existence if the omnipotent god itself has already thought up the idea itself. Still It doesn’t mean that beings like lucifer micheal or presence cant do anything to the endless. Its more of the fact that they are needed their if creation was to be needed.
Takumi Fujiwara that omnipotent can just remove all live anywhere then nothing needs those concepts anymore
Rohan Rojy perhaps if a real omnipotent being erased all of existence, then erased itself, then that might kill the Endless.
Takumi Fujiwara Wrong. You say that from a 3D human perspective. We cannot comprehend beings that are beyond concepts
Its impossible.
Perspective and is irreverent same with comprehension, if an action is taken or not it still feeds into these "concepts" which would be both concepts and also not. The existence of anything instates them, and the only way to be rid of them is for the existence of absolute nothingness; which is also abstract since how can you define nothingness without existence?
Let me get this straight Tyler, you make a video about The Sandman, and, as if that weren't enough you make a Danganronpa reference? Good job my man!
On a side note, I think you should do a video about The Question, it's a very influential but underrated hero that deserves some more spotlight.
Removing one of them entirely is only illogical because they are necessary within the logic of our universe, but an omnipotent God that created everything in the first place could surely rewrite the universe in incomprehensible ways that would seem as arbitrary and senseless to us as our reality would to the inhabitants of the new one where everything is fundamentally different.
Also: Just because I'd make the same choice every time doesn't mean I didn't make the choice. If you let me choose between pancakes or nails for breakfast 1000 times, I will NEVER choose to eat nails, and my choice will always be the same because I don't *want* to eat nails and it would be incredibly painful to do so.
Your Mom I had a fucking aneurism reading this
I know that this is a very late reply, but you really helped me out with this thinking.
Tyler: Joins nasa
10 years later
Humans: breathing in space
Tyler Who would win the living tribunal or Patrick star? Like so he can see!
Uncle Pepe Patrick would destroy the living tribunal he is probably a endless
At 12:01 you can clearly see my brain in the background after seeing this video.
Technically. If the endless are what controls us, and they are these basic waves that affect our every action, we might not have our individual wills, but out will then technically would be the will of the endless. So we might not be "individuals" but an "individual." And if the universe is moving us, our will is the will of the universe. We do not have a free will. We are the free will
O o o Kay ,
I started this video just for entertainment I didn’t expect this to change my point of view on life lol
Almost all of the Endless are scared shitless of Lucifer Morningstar, all of them refused to fight him as well too
Anonymous Unkown well lucifer and Michael are the 2nd most powerful beings in the DC universe. The first being the Presence. But some stories suggest that death and destiny came before the presence so whose to say which is stronger
Kevin Tyson that could be true then theres the primal monitor too
its stated that they are not all powerful, just never dying, the presence and Lucifer can die but the endless can never truely die
Except they can. IF everything in everywhere ceases and all that is left is nothing the Endless also Cease to be.
Anonymous Unkown The primal monitor had nothing to do with The Presence's creation. It was stated, he literally only noticed the DC multiverse on the canvas after it's creation and went to check it out. Created his way of order using the monitors. The Presence, Michael and Lucifer have been stated to not die unless they choice to remain dead since death has no claim over them.
I like the idea of something that is ABSOLUTE ! Like it’s the thing that RESIDES ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE !
It can get confusing figuring out who is more powerful , one universe then there is someone from multi universe , then someone is beyond etc and etc ,,, so to make some sense of it all it eases to know there is one CREATOR WHO CREATED EVERYTHING... and everything is extension of Him and then we can say these 7 endless beings are originated and are parts of THE CREATOR
And then go from there having other beings like beyonder and others who can warp realities and multi universe etc and something else counters that and so on .... but above all resides THE CREATOR just observing and letting things happen as they are insignificant to HIM , NO ONE CREATED THE CREATOR OR CAN KILL OR HURT THE CREATOR ..... in true sense ,like there is no weapon or technicality or anything , he truly is THE ONE AND ONLY
However, there is one thing that can render nearly these beings powerless. Something that can rupture and destroy their intense personal bond with whatever it afflicts, and they are powerless to stop it. And coincidentally enough, it’s name also begins with D.
Depression.
What do you think Despair is?
Despair is much worse than Depression.
Fuq U you kidding? Despair is good, being able to cry and to wail is great. It allows you to release all the emotional tension you’ve been holding in. Despair helps you get level headed, and back on track.
But depression? Depression is a parasite that sucks everything out, you can’t feel despair because you can’t even *feel*. You become a hollow shell of a human being, barely being able to be called alive at all.
@@Mushroom_Man After Googling "despair" and "depression", I've found out that they're basically the same thing. The way you explained despair doesn't make sense to me at all. That sounds something else, if there is even a word for it.
The part about death putting up the chairs, closing the doors and turning off the lights on the univers is getting tattooed on me. That was the hottest line
i have ASCENDED
From what i understand about quantum physics: if the universe rewinded time, you would make different choices because the particles that make up your brain are random
How does Tyler not have a million subscribers...I've learnt alot from this man keep up the good work👍👍👍
People dont know in that issue Rao God of Krypton was hanging out with those Gods
Interestingly, the Endless would disagree. Or, at least Dream does. Dream appears to firmly believe that mortals define and control the Endless
Not quite mortals can control part of the dreaming which is what shape reality.
Sure it can effect them, but you will need to get everyone living or dead in the omniverse on the same page to do this.
I feel like this video must have somehow made the endless more popular and indirectly caused the new Netflix show
DC should have created another endless called Decision
Neil Samuel it's called destiny.
Destiny and Decision would contradict each other. You can't have a destined fate AND a decision on your own fate.
Neil Samuel
I think Dread would have been a better one.
Indecision 🤔
Tony Nieves
Nah,the name has to start with a D.
10:01 Despair suggested creating life on a planet in order to have it all extinguished save for one sole survivor. This seems to foreshadow the beginning of Superman except we have Supergirl, Zod, Faora and others that also survived. Perhaps Kypton’s sun decided to spare a few more lives?!
Welp, that's a lotta brain processing to do for the rest of the day... or eternity.
Also, was that John Constantine asking Trigon for a light? Damn.
Serious Spike Sam
Yeah mate, that was me
I always loved the Endless, beautiful concept and some of the best comics I've ever read.
It's my favourite graphic novel. Not many people share my opinion but I love this series.
Mee too.
It´s also my favorite comics off all time.
I gotta start proclamating I will never die so I can hope death/dream over here me
😂
This shit made me woke af
that whole determinism rant ending in a flashback of wave functions was really clever
I'm now in the midst of an existential crisis. Thanks bro.
Any marvel fanboy that wants smoke just give them THE ENDLESS.
I Agreed the whole marvel franchise won't even stand a chance
Lmfao I feel you guys
But don’t underestimate both franchises
Both have characters that could bodie each other
Lol
Yo you needed to CHILL!!!!!! At the end
Who’s here after watching the sandman?
Yo, you have footage from that awesome Sandman Fan film 24 Hr Diner.
an omnipotent being can do things that surpass your understanding of what is and isnt logical. im sorry, but you are incorrect. God could easily get rid of them entirely if he desired. he simply transcends your understanding of what is and isn't possible.