There are people living in South Australia that have heard about the pre-British colonists - but seem afraid to speak out Music and Narration by G Caldwell
Matthew Flinders was the first to circumnavigate the continent in 1803, and used the name 'Australia' to describe the continent on a hand drawn map in 1804. Prior to this, the continent was commonly referred to as "New Holland," a name given by Dutch explorers in the 17th century. "Terra Australis" (Latin for "southern land") was a term used in European maps and literature to describe hypothetical land in the southern hemisphere, long before the continent was fully explored. The first time that the name Australia appears to have been officially used was in a despatch to Lord Bathurst of 4 April 1817 by Governor Lachlan Macquarie.
My family on most lines came through Pt Adelaide 1840s onward. My mother tells of the Afghan / indigenous families out at Silverton. I agree, they and the Chinese have long histories here.
so did my family from spain and another half from germany, i have a suitcase full of old photos from the 1800s into the early 1900s and i need to figure out where to send them to to have them archived. like old hard card photos black and white. we owned munyaroo and horselakes station in broken hill after failing finding gold in victoria.
The Aboriginal language in South Australia is derived from the Portuguese language,,,, all the railway stations are named after aboriginal words those aboriginal words are Portuguese words my great great grandfather write the constitution of South Australia maybe get together and I'll tell you some amazing stories
@@mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431 All of the aboriginal names of all the railway stations and towns are Portuguese words,, when I explained aboriginal words and their meanings,,, John Travolta asked me who had been teaching me the Portuguese language
Yes its hard to actually pin down someone that can make a statement saying as such. I have come across people saying that they have spoken of people with knowledge of the pre-settlers, but trying to find them is hard. you would think with all the members on these groups and chats , that someone would be interviewed by a youtuber saying as such. But alas no one has offically come forward as yet.
@mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431 actually I was told this story by a aboriginal man who never used the net. Everything you said he said to men. He was a real witchdoctor aka (father foot) he performed a ritual on me that they performed 40k years ago. But the story of Afghanistan people is true. And to add to this.. the Afghanistan Princess who was brought here in that time. Have you heard of this?
@@Hookstergram No I have not heard it. Maybe you can elaborate and maybe we can do a post or a quick interview for Mudflood Australia Group and see if we get any feedback?
@@mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431great video. it’d be great to find some genuine indigenous history regarding the integration of foreign visitors to au prior to the first fleet arriving. the euro /eastern visitors must’ve done a better job assimilating with the indigenous than the english you would hope. there is a possibility the indigenous were wiped out by the English to hide the truth about the country being “founded” hmm hmm lol. maybe the indigenous liked the trading and inclusion in the economic dealings prior to the “english founding.” all speculation. who knows
@@aussie_carnivore I completely agree and i see evidence of deep assimilation. It is a delicate subject as aboriginal australians are rightly so - trying to reclaim their heritage. And should do this as they see fit. However I can imagine pre-british assimilating well and there being intermarriage and some cultural exchange. Once the entire area was invaded, I suspect that the indigenous were so overwhelmed, they could not retain all the information of: what happened, who arrived, and when. it would have been significantly mashed together. So in that wise, I suspect that the pre-british arrivals were probably not that much earlier than the British, maybe some random arrivals from late medieval up to 1700s, then late 1700s greater arrivals. Then iinvasions starting from around 1803 in various parts of Australia wiping out all cultures including pre-british and indigenous. The orphans would have been retained Some women maybe. Not sure... But then we would need to find the source documents from the old countries. Which is another exercise
I understand ur q,s & interest but ur title is very misleading !!! quarries & stonework r very well documented (big fail) no doubt there was interbreeding 1829 moorundie Sturt noted 2 aboriginal boys with blonde hair. but their is a big q for me @ Murray bridge in the parklands where the paddle boats trade a contract earthmover told me of his 1979 experience when he graded the top off a cemetery revealing masses of graves council had no records he was paid standby wages for 10 days while he watched cops & researchers investigate he was told they were FRENCH MILITARY ( blue uniforms with gold braid ) & FRENCH coins over their eye sockets leather belts shoulder straps & boots & buckles further proved the origin the situation was kept secretive & as he completed the rest of his contract.for a further wk a community was discovered men-women-children & 1 clergyman with white lapels on his black robe & a FRENCE bible & a silver chain & cross. further toward the existing hotel 2 mass grave sites of aboriginals were discovered mostly burnt with large amounts of charcoal in the pits SO MY Q IS HOW DID THEY SET UP SHOP WHAT WAS THE DEAL AFTER ENCOUNTER BAY ? WHY DID EYRE PLANT WILLOWS AT MOORUNDIE FROM NAPOLEONS GRAVE ? ETC ETC STREET NAMES. GOV CONTRACTS ?
Apologies for the late reply. This is a very interesting lead. Very interesting. I was hazarding a guess that we were dealing with west gaelic peoples. Not just French. If you can provide more information, then I can investigate further. The issue I have of course is the amount of time to pull together all the basics of History. even simple ideas such as defining "French". Are there factions as noted in the Napoleonic wars? etc.. This may hint at people feeling the need to leave and start a break-away society. Or maybe they were cementing a colony under the radar for Napoleon. There seems to be breadcrumbs alluding to that. Once again aologies, I must have missed this comment and its a good one. thank you
Medieval?? Mate you build with what you find. Those builders back then would have built what they built in Britain. Of course it's gonna look vaguely medieval. The industrial age wouldn't have been here when they landed so they probably constructed buildings the old way
I have suspected for a while know that there were pre British settlements living in Australia before Captain Cook. Thanks for posting
With such a small population it is staggering how many stone churches through out the Clare , Rhynie and Barossa Valleys.
Great find ! The cockatoo
Kazz found that. Yes it was a great find
Matthew Flinders was the first to circumnavigate the continent in 1803, and used the name 'Australia' to describe the continent on a hand drawn map in 1804. Prior to this, the continent was commonly referred to as "New Holland," a name given by Dutch explorers in the 17th century. "Terra Australis" (Latin for "southern land") was a term used in European maps and literature to describe hypothetical land in the southern hemisphere, long before the continent was fully explored. The first time that the name Australia appears to have been officially used was in a despatch to Lord Bathurst of 4 April 1817 by Governor Lachlan Macquarie.
another good australian video well done glen
I have a facsimile book of 1836 to 1838 of this Gazette
If there is anything for us to read, then please share.
There are brick tunnels underneath connecting all those old buildings.
Thank you for this video, it's not easy finding things regarding south Australian history, surprisingly little.
My family on most lines came through Pt Adelaide 1840s onward. My mother tells of the Afghan / indigenous families out at Silverton. I agree, they and the Chinese have long histories here.
I can imagine that freedom seeking chinese communities are unknown.
so did my family from spain and another half from germany, i have a suitcase full of old photos from the 1800s into the early 1900s and i need to figure out where to send them to to have them archived. like old hard card photos black and white. we owned munyaroo and horselakes station in broken hill after failing finding gold in victoria.
The Aboriginal language in South Australia is derived from the Portuguese language,,,, all the railway stations are named after aboriginal words those aboriginal words are Portuguese words my great great grandfather write the constitution of South Australia maybe get together and I'll tell you some amazing stories
Interesting idea. Though the Portuguese language comes from a root language family. Can you give me an example?
@@mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431 All of the aboriginal names of all the railway stations and towns are Portuguese words,, when I explained aboriginal words and their meanings,,, John Travolta asked me who had been teaching me the Portuguese language
@@zerogravity8465 You will need to give an example
Lovely Sunday morning watch. Some interesting points certainly worth further investigation. Cheers
Great video mate. I also agree there was pre sellers in SA
Yes its hard to actually pin down someone that can make a statement saying as such. I have come across people saying that they have spoken of people with knowledge of the pre-settlers, but trying to find them is hard. you would think with all the members on these groups and chats , that someone would be interviewed by a youtuber saying as such. But alas no one has offically come forward as yet.
@mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431 actually I was told this story by a aboriginal man who never used the net. Everything you said he said to men. He was a real witchdoctor aka (father foot) he performed a ritual on me that they performed 40k years ago. But the story of Afghanistan people is true. And to add to this.. the Afghanistan Princess who was brought here in that time. Have you heard of this?
@@Hookstergram No I have not heard it. Maybe you can elaborate and maybe we can do a post or a quick interview for Mudflood Australia Group and see if we get any feedback?
@@mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431great video.
it’d be great to find some genuine indigenous history regarding the integration of foreign visitors to au prior to the first fleet arriving. the euro /eastern visitors must’ve done a better job assimilating with the indigenous than the english you would hope.
there is a possibility the indigenous were wiped out by the English to hide the truth about the country being “founded” hmm hmm lol.
maybe the indigenous liked the trading and inclusion in the economic dealings prior to the “english founding.”
all speculation. who knows
@@aussie_carnivore I completely agree and i see evidence of deep assimilation. It is a delicate subject as aboriginal australians are rightly so - trying to reclaim their heritage. And should do this as they see fit. However I can imagine pre-british assimilating well and there being intermarriage and some cultural exchange. Once the entire area was invaded, I suspect that the indigenous were so overwhelmed, they could not retain all the information of: what happened, who arrived, and when. it would have been significantly mashed together. So in that wise, I suspect that the pre-british arrivals were probably not that much earlier than the British, maybe some random arrivals from late medieval up to 1700s, then late 1700s greater arrivals. Then iinvasions starting from around 1803 in various parts of Australia wiping out all cultures including pre-british and indigenous. The orphans would have been retained Some women maybe. Not sure... But then we would need to find the source documents from the old countries. Which is another exercise
I understand ur q,s & interest but ur title is very misleading !!! quarries & stonework r very well documented (big fail) no doubt there was interbreeding 1829 moorundie Sturt noted 2 aboriginal boys with blonde hair. but their is a big q for me @ Murray bridge in the parklands where the paddle boats trade a contract earthmover told me of his 1979 experience when he graded the top off a cemetery revealing masses of graves council had no records he was paid standby wages for 10 days while he watched cops & researchers investigate he was told they were FRENCH MILITARY ( blue uniforms with gold braid ) & FRENCH coins over their eye sockets leather belts shoulder straps & boots & buckles further proved the origin the situation was kept secretive & as he completed the rest of his contract.for a further wk a community was discovered men-women-children & 1 clergyman with white lapels on his black robe & a FRENCE bible & a silver chain & cross. further toward the existing hotel 2 mass grave sites of aboriginals were discovered mostly burnt with large amounts of charcoal in the pits SO MY Q IS HOW DID THEY SET UP SHOP WHAT WAS THE DEAL AFTER ENCOUNTER BAY ? WHY DID EYRE PLANT WILLOWS AT MOORUNDIE FROM NAPOLEONS GRAVE ? ETC ETC STREET NAMES. GOV CONTRACTS ?
Apologies for the late reply. This is a very interesting lead. Very interesting. I was hazarding a guess that we were dealing with west gaelic peoples. Not just French. If you can provide more information, then I can investigate further. The issue I have of course is the amount of time to pull together all the basics of History. even simple ideas such as defining "French". Are there factions as noted in the Napoleonic wars? etc.. This may hint at people feeling the need to leave and start a break-away society. Or maybe they were cementing a colony under the radar for Napoleon. There seems to be breadcrumbs alluding to that. Once again aologies, I must have missed this comment and its a good one. thank you
Medieval?? Mate you build with what you find. Those builders back then would have built what they built in Britain. Of course it's gonna look vaguely medieval. The industrial age wouldn't have been here when they landed so they probably constructed buildings the old way
Makes sense.. Now its just a matter of determining timing and perhaps the place of origin of the settlers.
Pre British Colonies? maps with English names? Bit of a fairy tale 😊