SATA vs SAS As Fast As Possible
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- SATA is the dominant interface for hard drives these days, but could SAS be a powerful alternative for your setup, or is it just too impractical?
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3:49 potential GIF material spotted
+DrathVader Memed
+DrathVader Squiggly hand dance?....nahh
+ThatAweSomeRandomGamer potato quality, can you get it as HTML5 video pls?
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+ThatAweSomeRandomGamer
loop 4/10
IDE cables can be a bit ugly, but one of my friends bought IDE cables that had rainbow wires. It looked amazing!
i you wany the 90's psychedelic acid trip then go on
+TankT9 Done. cdn.makeagif.com/media/1-01-2016/iUgskf.gif
ProjectXioros
^^^ YES!
+LazerLord10 I had an IDE cabled tied with some strange net and it was as big as a sata cable (in diameter, since it had round shape). It was awesome.
gunnza1980
They were just sleeved cables. Just like nowadays with PSU cables.
Thanks for the clarification, I never bothered to learn what SAS drives were beyond "they're server drives."
"SAS stands for Serial Attached SCSI".
Alright, what's SCSI? "SCSI stands for Small Computer System Interface".
Somehow I feel like a video on drive connectors is needed if not already done; like, I remember when ribbon cables (like IDE/PATA) were all the rage when 40GB drives and 128MB RAM was considered a lot (actual stats from our first Windows computer).
+Ganaram Inukshuk Serial Attached Small Computer System Interface
+Ganaram Inukshuk oh god no, there's like 40 different scsi interfaces
+kolby4078 Knowing Techquickie (is there really?), they'd probably cover the most common ones only (unless they were all common, then they'd have to generalise).
Damn, UA-cam is fucking up, I also had the weird *'* on another comment.
TinchoX
I still have an 800mb hdd laying around lol
it's a laptop drive though
I have a friend who was in the SAS for 6 years.
+Donald Trumps Trumpet That's nice Donald.
Scandinavian Airlines or Special Air Service?
mootboy4 im not donald....im his trumpet
Donald Trumps Trumpet
Doot
+Donald Trumps Trumpet still, fuck you.
I built a (4) 146G 15K drive SAS RAID 0 array back in the day. Sustained read/write speeds were comparable to a single modern fast SSD (around 500MBps), but with 20x the power consumption and LOTS of heat. We really have it good with our SSD's.
In 1992 I worked on 1TB Sun SCSI array that was in a deployable vehicle. It took up 8 full size racks just for the drives and required a 15KW generator to run the system and the air conditioning. State of the art at the time and the system was over a million dollars. Now I can buy a drive more capable for 100 bucks and put it in my pocket.
One time I've wondered what was that weird connector and in this video I finally know why is it for.
I love all of your channels. Very informative. Keep up the good work.
Cheers for the video, have passed this onto the rest of our team so they can maybe explain a bit better to our customers as to why the expanded storage for their servers costs so much more than the extra hard drive they put into their home machine last week.
Happy New Year, Linus and employees/family!
Two hours to midnight, Linus drops down a video. Classy as always X) Cheers beer boy :)
He goes off of your time too I bet.
Something I noticed is no mention of T10 DIF/DIX or T10 PI/DIF, which helps protect against silent data corruption (SDC). I'm not sure if _all_ SAS drives are capable, though I now you cannot get the aforementioned features on a SATA drive.
DIF = Data Integrity Field
DIX = Data Integrity eXtension
PI = Protection Information
Anyone else got here because they mistakenly ordered a SAS drive?
Yep and now we're all stuck with it 😂
No, but I did come to this video in paranoia of doing it
SAS controllers are always good for splitting out more SATA ports. It's what I do for my FreeNAS box.
Just make sure it's an HBA for FreeNAS, not a raid card.
@@JensHove good call
I'm going to buy a das drive lol 16tb $300
happy new year from holland!
Melhor vídeo explicativo que encontrei sobre o assunto.
This video was made just in time! Thanks!
I have a home file-server which I'm upgrading soon. 6 Gb/s SAS (with a sata breakout splitter) for RAID, and just because the motherboard in the system doesn't have enough sata ports, or RAID capabilities built in. Its pretty expensive, but hopefully it'll be worth it for my large transfer / video render things.
Wait... SATA is also full duplex. Also worth noting is that SAS and SATA share the exact same PHY layer. They differ somewhat in the transport layer, with SATA using a master/slave system with either a single slave or up to 15 via a port multiplier, and SAS using a mesh network system allowing for many drives and host computers to all be connected via switches, and at the higher layer, SATA drives using the simpler ATA command set but SAS drives using the more complex SCSI command set.
Happy new year Linus and team
From India
Thanks You, for helping me making my YTP easier.
can I see it?
Good thing tough is, that you can connect up to 4 SATA drives on a single SAS connector with a breakout cable, as the SAS is capable of carying 4 SATA signals over over one connector.
You don't need SAS for that. You only need SATA backplane, case and motherboard specifically designed for such installation (for example USB NAS storage devices have those).
What SAS has use for home use, is being able to have storage cluster and use external SAS cable to store all your files to that-...or use it as your boot drive and not having to have any storage devices installed on your PC xD.
@@Kilzu1 Ah yeah, that works as well. I just meant that if you use a SAS PCIe card (like a LSI2008 for example which can be had cheap on ebay) you can use two SAS to Sata breakout cables and attach 4 SATA (or SAS) drives to one mini SAS port.
Didn't expect to get an answer after 7 years but yeah, my storage server now for example uses 3 LSI2008-8i cards that are attached to a backplane which has 24 Sata drive bays. of course I could use an expander but at the time of looking those LSI2008 cards were cheaper than SAS expanders. And the server has PCIe lanes to spare so why not?
Thanks for providing information that is really helpful.
Most of the stuff around internet is usually scattered even if you try to learn about a single thing. But thnx to you for explaining everything in a nutshell !!!
Very intesting and clearifing video. Excellent, thanks for the explanantion... and very very good channel.
totally had that external enclosure with the yellow ide cable at the beginning. "metal gear!"
Where did the video of the central office (brown racks on the left and right @3:14) come from?
I came back to this video for referencing information about the sas interface for a server build out for my home network, I am going to be deploying several servers, all using the sas interface for my storage. I am in fact making a home database.
This is outdated. This video was uploaded last year.
good point
ikr
lol
👍🏻 cause like a normal thumbs up wasn't enough
Your outdated, you were commented 8 months ago
Sadly, nothing was said about the main advantage of SAS against ordinary SATA drives - error handling.
Linus, can you explain Windows version/edition?
what's N, rtm, oem, LTSB, VL, features on demand, TH2, insider fast ring/slow ring, branch R1, threshold builds, Redstone build, Public Builds, ESD, SVF.
Please!
Can a SAS drives be converted to a portable external hard drive and how? I will really appreciate if you do a video on it. Thanks in anticipation.
Ancient video still helping me out. Thanks dude.
If i have a SAS drive and play as S.A.S in game's, will that make my game perform better?
+DutchMastermind the text doesn't act as a command so no.
Only if you paint flames or stripes on the case. In red. Red makes things go faster. Maybe.
whatever you do, don't do it on the psu; that would make it overheat and take a few other parts such as your precious gpu with it.
DO YOU WANT YOUR PC TO DROWN!
sorry if i was too sarcastic.
*KSP intensifies*
Thank you liuns you the informative videos you are awesome!!
I use SAS and PCIe NVMe, mainly. Noticeable speed when moving data around.
linus do you have videos on data center technician function, i enjoy most of your videos 👍
Now I want a benchmark!!
Great Video! By the way I have a question, I have a hp notebook model (17-bs025cl) and I can't really know if my optical drive bay supports SATA (and which SATA version if it supports it) because I'm planning on installing a SSD in the optical drive bay using a caddy
I've tried lots of third party software and they say it's an ATAPI.. I can't seem to find an answer on the web on what is this ATAPI or whether my device controller is SATA or IDE please if you can help me in anyway.
happy new year guys
Hey Linus, can you explain why there are different mobo, with seemingly the same name that are different prices. I understand there are tiers, but what do higher tiers really offer?
Hey linus was wondering, im still rocking a asus p6t deluxe and i7 920 as i still havent really had any reason to upgrade yetw apart from of course .. loads times. One thing thats bugged me is my SSD running in SataII. I THINK my board is SAS III. So the question.... Will i gain any benefit running my SataIII SSD in the SAS-Bus(12gbps) over the SataII(3gbps) ? Thanks
I have a Sasquatch. Is it compatible with the SAS or SATA connector? :)
i have trouble with my dell precision T7500 no SSD will work on the sas controller, and there are only 3 sata ports, and one is needed for hard disk
Holy crap I was gonna suggest this video yesterday!
Putting aside performance, the reason you would like to use SAS drives is for the ""build quality"", they're made with very high quality materials and constructed more rigid with extra vibration and shock protection; even including ECC unlike the common use hard drives. Also SAS controllers are better designed and coded.
Looking to upgrade my homeserver, currently running 13 drives using an onboard controller and an external sata controller, Would it be optimal for me to use a SAS controller with those 1 to 4 splitter cables? and what controller is to recomend?
From what i remember S.A.S was a team in COD Modern Warfare 4
Never heard of the game
+SimplyPhysics why in the world would he do that? he's clearly been living under the best rock ever if he hasn't been tainted by cod
+SimplyPhysics S.A.S is the Special Air Service
+SimplyPhysics LOL, CoD fanboy over here. Do you seriously believe that because he hasn't heard of a game series you like, he should end his own LIFE?!? Also, I think he means he hasn't heard of CoD: Modern Warfare 4, since that game doesn't currently exist (and hopefully never will.) ;)
+SimplyPhysics You really are a little ray of sunshine, aren't you? ;D
Eh, not like money's an issue at LinusTechTips. So let's start seeing SAS exclusive builds.
Like he said, SAS is aimed at the enterprise market. You should be getting an SSD unless you are building a server.
@@HudsonGTV the dude reviewed a quantum computer. I don't think a server build is anything out of the question. Servers aren't far fetched
But to be honest he should just go straight to U.2
are there SSD SAS?
+GabakTech - Cursos de Computación Gratis Yup
Ibraheem Al hadede how fast are they?
+GabakTech - Cursos de Computación Gratis
www.sandisk.com/business/datacenter/products/flash-devices/ssds/sas-ssd/lightning
Γιώργος Greek thanks
but the Sequential Read/Write MB/s2 is slower than a regular SSD.
@@gabaktech Not any more
Sounds to me like SAS could benefit anyone who feels constrained by consumer IO subsystems. Would it be more cost effective or aid in any other way to have SAS storage and 16GB of RAM or SATA and 128GB of RAM for high end media production?
Its 2020. I'm learning about SAS
2021
can you buy a sas 2tb drive and replace circuit board for a sata pcb board both drives are identical but off by 1 digit in model number or are these fine tuned at the factory making swapping pcb boards not a viable solution
Would it increase performance when using multiple VMs accessing the drive at once?
Yes. Full duplex will help the VMs perform better. But now you have nvme M.2 drives that are much better.
I miss messing with the jumpers on new HDDs :(
i miss IDE... parallel was always better
Hey linus, can you make a video about just how general 3D stuff works?
I ordered a SAS drive by mistake, my mobo only supports sata, can I use it with a sata to SAS adapter? only looking to use for storage, no raid set up. cant return the drive... any advice?
Linus - with the current technology we are at. What is the optimal 20 to 40 gaming PC controlled by one shop and the most cost effective way with software needed to run a computer shop like this? is it still individual PC,'s or is it one centralized storage and farmed hds? security and networking speeds considered. GO wild. but im more after a practical cost effective setup.
Just out of curiosity, why haven't we got an update to SATA standard yet? It seems to me like it is needed.
Happy New year Guys
I have planned a long time to build a "Home database server or something like that" in the future, when i have space for it.
I would like to have a central place with redundancy for files i need to store, with a easier way to backup than messing with my personal computer.
And if i need it it could be possible have some small virtual servers running AD DS, or LAMP in the future.
Thumbs up for the Grandma data-center photo. I lost it.
Could you please share the name of video editing software, you are currently using?
Can you do a video on Mineral Oil PCs, i've seen people use them and I don't know how it works and how a computer rig can be submerged in liquid.
I heard that qualcomm quick charge 3.0 promises lower charging temps and hence longer overall life of your battery, wanted to know if it is worth buying a 3.0 charger. Also would it work on a Samsung galaxy s5 or do I need a new phone to make use of it.
great explanation, good that i put 24 sas drives in it for home Database Storageworks instead of sata :-) HP p2000, ssd's would be more expensive but i am not sure if this worth it ? do you know that maybe ? Thanks.
You should make one on Fiber channel too just for the fun of it. I know this was in the SAS market area, but I think it may be fading due to SAS.
Thanks for the information bro..!! but I request you to tell about 3d Xpoint please...
can I cut the little plastic thingy beside the pins on the sas drives
can we attached sas drive array to desktop with sas controller ?? will it work on my motherboard intel DH67BL ??
I like the progress by SAS, it's surely not the end, thanks and kind regards
It’s sad that SATA won’t be updated at more. Otherwise, SAS will be lower priced.
Wow dude, you're a pro. This description took no time. You clearly know what you're talking about. Every other description was full of fluff of people who had no idea what they were talking about.
Really informative video !! Now i know i can plug SATA HDD into SAS controller.
Were thinking of maybe buying a Western Digital - Ultrastar He10 HUH721008AL5200 with SAS 12Gb/s. What SAS to SATA adaptor would you recommend to use temporary, until I get a more modern motherboard, or expensive PCI-e card with SAS input? Have btw motherboard PRIME Z370-P with the 6 Gb/s SATA inputs.
Wow I just learned about SAS like 2 .5 years from this date. I know I'm late 😅. Nice further explanation.
happy new year
Can i use SATA 3.5 & 2.5 SSD (Desktop hard drive) in my dell poweredge 2950?
yes
Hello.
I recently found a 10 years old Server.
I tried to boot up from a USB, and it worked. I was trying to install Ubuntu Server, but the Hard Drives weren't showing up.
Do SAS hdds need to be set up manually?
4:05
Nicky V, your mum's favorite house guest.
I miss him on your channel
Can you make other videos about this with new hard drivelike the HGST He6 HUS726060ALA640
maybe someone know why my pc monitor dont work whit VGB but when i connect to HDMI its ok
never thought about it before now, the ppl gaming, game recording, live streaming at the same time,(and maybe converting and uploading to youtube at the same time) all processes at the same time, would this sas hdd improve anything at all?
Can I use both SATA and SAS drives in the same system using an LSI Raid card?
thanks for your video. does SATA driver can accept SAS interface ?
Thank you for this very informative video. I have never heard of SAS before, as I was on newegg.com looking up HDD's and saw SAS, couldn't figure out online, but duckduckgo provided this video.
Hey bossman, could you do a video explaining how CPUs work?
I just came across Linus' video about SATA again just recently. Woah.
how can i connect or use sas in my personal computer ?
Getting a new ssd in know pcie is the fastest way but whats second fastest sata 3? And can someone explain m.2 his other video dident help me
Thank you, good video!
Did NVME make SAS obsolete or is there still this consumer/enterprise usage difference that makes SAS still relevant?
I learned that SAS exists this week because I jumped on a $17 2TB drive on eBay, then spent 20 minutes trying to figure out why it wasn't fitting in my enclosure.
You can buy an HBA card and use that for the SAS drive.
I just had the same thing happen to me.,, I got it to fit in the drive bay, though... barely. Thought I got a great deal on a 6TB drive, and then when it arrives... whoops - the connectors don't connect. I didn't even know there was anything other than SATA still OUT there, so didn't bother to check the connection info. Now I'm stuck with a drive I have no idea how to use... and no money to use to expand the space in my home media PC.
@@HudsonGTV Can you please explain what an HBA card is? Would it allow the SAS drive to be used like a regular drive? I got what I thought was a great deal on a 6TB drive for my home media PC, only to have it not fit. And everything I've looked up says the cheap adapter cables people are selling don't work because the SATA interface still can't read the drive. I'm so confused right now I have a headache.
@@Dove01s The HBA card (Amazon $70) slots into a pci-2 slot on your Motherboard and allows a series of SAS drives to interface with your PC. You will need the correct connection cables from the card to the drive interface as well, they are pretty cheap on eBay or Amazon. SAS drives are very reliable and ssd fast read and write - the card will let you add another 6g drive if you can fit it - cheapest fast storage you can get imo - I bought a redundant Dell Poweredge R710 server with 6 x 2 TB SAS drives very very cheap for a storage hub - my son uses it most for his games - my wife for streaming - when everyone is online it breezes through.
does connector adapters of sas to sata works on modern mother boards?
how do you add this hdd on board with no ports for such hdd
4:05 really I have sas drives and have a server in my house to use as a database and media server
I bought a DL380 G7 for home use, but for home media server and data storage, cheaper SATA drives are just fine.
The odd thing is I found an hgst sas 4tb cheaper than a hgst sata 3tb hard drive I have no idea why it's cheaper.
Stock photos of an EMC Clariion/VNX SAN I see.
Can you do a comparison between the new vSAS (value SAS) and traditional SATA/SAS? @Techquickie
Is SAS something you should consider if you are building a NAS that is going to be used by say 8 people?
I love your presentations