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Latterlig god pris på masterson sin wet palette til Norge og. Kjøpte to. No gjenstår det berre å få motatt dei Kickstarter bystene dine so kan eg sette meg ned med min bedre halvdel og male :) For all you non Scandinavians in the comment section: Ridiculous pricing on the Masterson wet palette to Norway as well. Bought two. Now all I have to is wait until the Kickstarter busts arrive so me and the SO can start painting :)
Random mini fig question. I got the necron learn to paint kit and it says the minis were “push fit” to assemble, when you make minis that are “push fit” do you still use glue to stick them in place? (I.e. other foot to base) Or is the “push fit” system only on the entry level minis for beginners.
Big tip on homemade wet palettes: upside down tupperware. I use the LID of a tupperware as base instead of the "box", so there are no tall walls getting in the way.
Been doing this for a while now, the only problem is that the bigger size of the container means that the paints will dry out a bit more when storing. But otherwise works well.
I have the STA-WET Palette and have been using it for a couple of years. If you're in the US you can buy the Reynolds Kitchen cookie baking sheets. They are pre-cut parchment paper that is folded so it makes 4 squares that are perfect for the palette.
I use the army painter one myself. A major reason for me buying it was that the refill pack is dirt cheap. £7/€8 for 2 sponges and 50 sheets is a bargain
I find the red grass so nice. I’ve literally left paints in it for 3 months before after upgrading to the XL and they were still wet. That seal is no joke, and the magnetic wavy palette on the side is useful for washes and metallics which just really helps my flow. Getting out and cleaning out a separate palette always just one more extra step. That army painter one looks cool and the ability to store brushes seems really useful. Red grass for home Army painter for travel maybe for me.
Ya I have left paint in my red grass one for the summer and when i opened it up I would have been able to paint with most of the paint. I have never had the issue of that he talks about but I see he uses alot more water in his wet pallet then I do.
Mentioning Marco Frisconi! Man I love that guy and his channel and the fact you are also a fan makes me an even bigger fan of your videos than I was before.
@@Monkeyninjaghost ahh yeah I will rewatch that one. I have always been a fan of both channels. And by always I mean since this summer when I started getting into the hobby.
I've been using the (small, orange) Redgrass wet palette for a couple of years and I'm extremely happy with it. Closing it has not been an issue - just put less water in it. The sponge is working very well. I keep it wet, but not much free water around it. Sure, the price could be an issue for many, but given the high quality and what we pay for paints, brushes, paint stations and above all miniatures/games it's worth it.
Being relatively new to painting miniatures, I had to learn that this hobby is not one of the cheapest anyway. And sure, at the moment, this palette costs 25 Euro, but this is something you will have for a long time, so this is relative.
I use the Masterson myself, and really love it. The only other reason I would pick it over your favorite is if your painting space is smaller, a big pallet may be impractical. Great video as always. Thanks very much.
Thanks for this honest review! I had been using a Tupperware sandwich lid and parchment paper, but used paper towels soaked in water instead of a decent sponge thing which resulted in paint separation. I finally just caved. I really want the Red Grass XL, but decided on the Army Painter since my work area is tiny. It arrives in April. So excited!
I just started painting again after not doing it for almost 30 years....yup...Battletech back in high school...lol. Everyone said to get a wet pallet and I went for two of the Masterson's and I LOVE them. I have access to Tupperware and used that at first to get used to it, but I cannot understate how nice it is to have two dedicated wet pallets, I got the curved tip water bottles to keep them hydrated, and I have an old-style paper cutter so I can cut like ten sheets of parchment paper at a time and it doesn't bug me much. Love the vids man, keep them coming!
I picked the army painter one since it was the one most readily available for me. I already liked it but your professional opinion made me appreciate it even more :D
@@PigeonCrash also got one, seals to good, you have to open the lid a little else the water evaporises, gathers at the top lit and drips into your paints... Overhydrating them :/
I have what I consider an amazing wet palette set up. I found in one of my local department stores in the bathroom section of all places these wonderful stackable plastic organizer trays. They have a ridge on the bottum that form fits into the top. And they cost like a dollar each. One great thing is that they are long enough to hold my paint brushes too. So I store paper, brushes, and a wet palette all stacked up.
I was looking at some of these at a dollar store the other day, and I was so close to buying a couple to try out. I was concerned that without a seal of any sort, they'd dry out. How does paint hold up with just the friction fit of the trays to seal it up?
Good video Squidmar! Cheers from a fellow Swede! :) Honestly I don't get why people buy these so that's why I watched the video. I don't see the benfefit of a premade one. I use a small soap cup with low edges, have a dishcloth cut to size, and then add a paper used for separating sandwiches in food boxes. That said, the use of a wet palette is the thing that has helped me improve my painting, by far.
Most of these hobby supply reviews make me second guess my purchases. It's nice to see I made a good choice with the Masterson wet palette. Good job and thank you for the insight.
Biggest problem I had trying to make my own in the UK was getting parchment paper since every store seems to just sell the wax coated ones that won't allow any water through at all.
I find that I liked the wax paper more then parchment to protect my paints from getting too wet from underneath , but the moisture of the box overall was enough to keep my paints wet. I’ve had it mold before the moisture and paints dries up.
It's just non stick baking paper bro. Grab it at any supermarket in the UK. £2 for a roll that never runs out. I used to make my own for years with kitchen roll, baking paper and a tupperware container.
Right now am using a modified make up container. it is shallow and wide, so i have more than enough space. I sawed off the hinge, which gives a small opening for ventilation and lets me remove the lid so it doesn't get in my way. I am using paper towels to hold the water and self cut parchment paper as a surface. Works great for me!
Great video. I too use a Redgrass wet pallet. One thing I have found regarding the sealed in paint getting too wet between sessions is the washed out paint can be removed with a paper towel. If you use a gentle action the paint wants to stick to the towel more than the pallet leaving the paper surface intact for reuse. Of course it doesn't remove all the paint so it only works if you are painting off the same pallet of colours but on the plus side this helps matching the blends. It might seem obvious but a lot of my friends were in the habit of swapping paper each session which is fine if you want to but is very wasteful. I have kept paper in use over multiple sessions covering several weeks. Give it a try there is nothing to lose, because even if you damage the paper surface or have trouble removing the unwanted spoilt paint you were going to chuck the paper anyway.
Came for the Masterson review (I also got the Jazza box, just now started cracking into it) and am SO GLAD it's not just me on the paper being wonky. I've tried both following the soaking instructions and nothing, rinsing it with hot water, nothing makes the paper feel like a skin instead of just random paper. And the paints have soaked through into the sponge which messes with my color perception sometimes. Thank you for noting it and suggesting the parchment paper instead, probably going to use up what came in the box and swap over.
The P3 sold me on wet palettes. It's useful as a stepping stone for those reluctant to make their own. But I've since moved on to the Sta-Wet and it's been my main WP for a few years now. I swear by it. Cannot paint without it.
Thanks for the video, persuaded me to go for the Army Painter one as space is an issue on my desk and having somewhere to keep my brushes is a nice bonus.
Just purchased the Army Painter wet palette over the Redgass one as the army painter was slightly cheaper. Very impressed so far much better than the cheap, made at home option I have been using for a long time
I've been using the same homemade wet palette ever since I started miniature painting three and a half years ago. I ended up buying the small RedGrass Games wet palette just a few days ago. The size is no problem for me as I have limited desk space and have gotten used to painting with a small sandwich container-sized palette so even this small Red Grass one is larger than what I'm used to. Plus, even though it's completely irrelevant to painting, I do like the aesthetics of the Red Grass wet palettes the most.
Nice test. I used to have the Mastersson wet palette. Unfortunately, mold appeared after a few days. I no longer have the problem with the everlasting wet pallets.
Add a splash of hydrogen peroxide to the water before putting the sponge and paper in. This inhibits growth of both mold/mildew and does not noticeably affect the paint.
I got the orange redgrass one when it came out on kickstarter and never looked back. Perfect size for a casual painter and the magnetized sides are perfect for metallics. Never have issues wirh watery paint. Dont over saturate the sponge. Also worth having a water dropper bottle at hand to keep it lightly moisturised if your having a longer session or painting the next day. P.s. if your in the UK just use non-stick baking paper from the supermarket.
I saw Marco's Ferrero Rocher video one day and, going into my local supermarket the next day, saw the exact same size FR chocolate boxes at 2-for-1. Happily stuffed with chocolate, I made a Marco FR wet palette - worked wonderfully. 3(4?) months later, I saw a local online supplier doing a *special* for the Army Painter wet palette and succumbed to 'official' wet palette envy. The internal lid that holds the brushes wasn't something that I was expecting so that was a very happy surprise. That said, both work about the same, and the Army Painter box is more robust than a FR box, and it comes with precut paper. In terms of price & convenience (you do have to cut the paper, but that just becomes a regular set-up activity), the FR wet palette can't be beaten, especially if you're new to the hobby... and if you're partial to chocolate. So, if you're painting at home in the same place all the time 》Ferrero Rocher! If you're taking your kit from place to place 》Army Painter.
Thanks for your insight. I don't have a lot of brushes and I certainly don't paint as mush as you. So, I think I like the Army Painter one best for me. The brush storage means I can keep everything together.
So I got the Masterson Sta-wet pallet and I don’t have a single issue with the paper made for it. I bought a large pack of the paper, when you do that it comes with instructions on how to use it. You have to let the paper sit in very hot water for about 15 mins and it then becomes very porous and will keep my paints fresh for up to a week. And i can reuse it a few times. Maybe give it another shot? Or maybe most of you did try that and still didn’t like it...well then do what works lol. Strangely I was gifted the Army painter one and that one drys out faster than the Masterson.
Iv been using a home made wet pellet for about 5 years now, if been thinking about buying one but what iv got works fine. It was good to see your review on the different pallets, I think it will help me decide on which one I'll eventually buy. Great video as always.
I’ve been using the red grass games small palette after struggling with the mastersons. The papers in the mastersons are horrible for miniature paint. And I’m lazy to keep cutting parchment, so the red grass is good for me. Word of caution, the papers can also disintegrate if left for too long. I’m talking after 1-2 weeks
As a noob, I am SO glad to see that the Sta-wet palette's paper is actually the problem and its not how I'm using it. That paper has been frustrating me for so long and it had me really scratching my head as it did not seem to be keeping my paints wet like other people's palettes I see in videos (even when I followed the instructions and pre-soaked the paper in warm water).
I literally had an arguement with myself TODAY about whether or not to buy a wet palette. The army painter version is probably perfect for me. Thanks for the thorough review Emil, great video!
Something to keep in mind: I have the Masterson and after a few months I already started having mold issues. I am switching to the Army Painter as the sponge is supposed to have an anti-mold feature.
Yeah red grass has that too. I wrote a comment that he did not take that into account, cause for me personally that is a huge bonus and also a big negative for the homemade one.
@@jrseitz21 Haven't tried bleach but I cleaned it pretty regularly with hot water and some Dawn soap. Haven't had any issues with the army painter one so far.
@@uba754 i read alot of stuff on cleaning and stuff so that translated into the palette stuff. But just a few things...2 pennies from before mid 1970s. (True copper keeps bacteria at bay) because of a chemical reaction that basically they hate. A few drops of ammonia in the water does the same but might stink like piss for a hour lol. Otherwise like i said whenever I change my projects I do want you do just every few weeks I'll toss the whole thing in the bathroom sink with a few bloops of bleach and let it soak while at work. Never had a problem with smells or mold yet. I never tried the copper thing but I'm sure it works good and is cheap lol. 2 cents. Also why water pipes are copper. Cheap metal and nothing grows in it. ....just a few tips incase you wanted to know. Worse case scenario Amazon sells replacement sponges in packs of 3 for like 10 bucks and also alot of people buy these thin sponge wipes at the store....pretty darn close to the real thing. Just don't put anything besides ammonia in the pallet when using it. Also Masterson recommends a few drops of listerine whilst using it. Minty fresh smells. Anyway long rant but maybe it'll help some people. Also never mix ammonia and bleach. Unless you want to die and burn your lungs. Bad times don't do that ever even for curiosity sake because it's straight up poison to the lungs and you will never breathe right again.
Your choice of palettes to review were great. I own the Masterson, picked it up at a retail craft store. My sponge got mold, but only because I left it sitting with water for over a week. This is after months of use. It’s coming apart near the middle when I wash it, but only because I had to wash the mold off. I also have to cut my own paper, and I don’t mind it. I’m going to invest in an RGG version. I’m hoping the paint WONT separate overnight the way my Masterson unfortunately does. Other than the mold, and citadel paint separation after sitting overnight, it’s a great palette for the price🫰🏽
👍Was pleasantly surprised when you didn’t poo poo the idea of using a diy wet palette. Thanks for the review and breaking down the pros and cons of each.
For a home made palette, i started with using the box that came with my Army Painter Wash set. Worked great. A better solution is to buy a refill for the Army Painter wet palette. The plastic contained it comes in works perfectly as the wet palette. This is a great option if your local shop stocks those and you aren't sure if you want to pay for a full Wet Palette yet. The refill pack comes with papers, and sponge! If you decide to upgrade to an Army Painter palette, you already have refills!
I used the mastersons for a few years until recently switching to the redgrass games ones; the reason was my mastersons sponges kept degrading and growing mold (even if copper in the bottom of the palette to discourage mold from growing). After I switched the sponge out for a new one for the seventh or eighth time I bit the bullet and get the redgrass games palette because the sponge is easier to wash without destroying it and because of it's anti-mold properties. I've been using it for a few months now and am super happy. I also got the bigger XL palette and I'm happier with the size for all my mixing needs.
The wet palette move is RedGrass Orange, with Army painter replacement sheets. Enough room on the sides so the paper doesn't overlap, and you can keep it easily topped up with water.
Been using my DIY version made with a take out container, paper towel/ now sponge, and parchment paper, 8” x 10” working area. Works great only drawback, high sides about a inch. I guess when I get ready I’ll speed money or find a locking plastic container with low sides.
There are mastersons palettes that come in a HUGE size. The normal size is good but if you want a monster palette, check your art store. Also, some brands of baking parchment paper come precut that fit the normal size mastersons :)
I have been using the army painter wet palette for the good part of a year now and I really like it, it keeps my paints wet but not too much even over 3 days and the refill hydro packs are pretty cheap, also it comes with a neat second bottom where you can store tools and brushes..only negative for me is indeed the size, sometimes it gets a little crowded on the palette especially if Ia am working on a mini over a longer period or with a lot of colors
The pre cut Reynolds baking sheets come in a box folded into quarters. If you cut along the folds, you get four sheets that are a pretty good fit for the Masterson’s palette. They’re a bit smaller than the full size of the palette, but I think it’s a fair trade off with how easy they are to prepare.
RedGrasser here with the small one which is just the perfect size for me. Started with a DIY one but parchment paper is difficult to find here since the one most sold for baking is coated on one side with some non-stock grease which just kill the osmosis/membrane effect you want from it.
The RGG one is definitely beyond what I'm willing to spend. I made my own from a small sistema (tupperware-type) container and that has worked well so far. I'm interested in the Army Painter and Masterson ones too. I like the idea of one that lives in my "go box" for mobile use, and another larger one that is at my desk. Good video, I appreciate your run through of what you liked/disliked, thank you!
Metal pencil case. Cellulose dish rag. Parchment paper. Keeps my paints fresh for ages. I’ve been painting with the same paints for just over a week now.
Got myself a redgrass XL on 35% discount, and it's absolutely amazing, but your critique about the seals being too tight is definitely true. It is expensive, but I work at an Element Games, so it was a lot more affordable to me as a result.
Thank god I came across your videos a while back, wet pallets were totally foreign to me as a painter and oh boy do they work so well. Squidmar has taught and will continue to teach me well
I have been using the masterson for a bit. One of the nice things about it is that I can switch from painting minis to painting with heavy body acrylics on canvas. Great reviews.
Just a heads up, if you order or buy a redgrass wet palette, don't expect to use it anytime soon in the USA. It takes almost 2 months for delivery for how they deliver it from the UK. (my guess is cheap and slow).
I have the Masterson Sta-Wet, I have used it twice now. Both times I have let the paint stay in there for some time. The paint got moldy (although I have old acrylic Utretch artist grade paint, so since it is old that might be a factor) and the sponge got a swampy smell. I really didnt enjoy the smell while I was painting. So I cleaned it and havent set it back up. Normally if I'm going to sit down to paint a miniature I paint it in one sitting, otherwise they sit half painted for a while. I use regular parchment paper and slow drying medium if I'm going to be painting for a while.
When it come to using acrylics I am a neophite. But you were right about that parchment paper being better. The paper that came with the Masterson Pallet was way to thick. I ordered some parchment paper at Amazon and it is way better. I'm in the process of teaching myself how to paint faces with acrylics. i always used oils for the face before.
I recently upgraded to the Masterson from a homemade 3D printed wet pallet. The paper is awful, but the sponge was a massive upgrade from the shammy-cloth sponge I was previously using. It can hold a lot more water and is much nicer to work with. I don't get a dry film on the paint but that may be related to relative humidity. If someone is on a budget I definitely agree they might get more mileage from just buying a Masterson sponge replacement pack and using it in their own wet-pallet, since the box doesn't really gain much from being fancy.
I have been using a Masterson Sta-Wet Super Pro, which I originally got to have an air-tight storage for my oil palette between sessions. It's way too big, honestly, but that's a minor thing most of the time. I agree with you about their paper. You can tell it's meant to keep heavy body acrylics moist without making them runny. It will still keep your paints workable for hours but probably not the next day.
I use a GW static grass container with a shammee for the spounge and parchment paper. It seals tight. It's shallow. And it looks better then a Tupperware container.
I like using the Masterson Pallet/sponge + redgrass games small paper available at my local game store. Parchment paper that I've bought have a bit too much silicone in the coating that causes the paint to slide around. At my painting level I'm not very good at gauging paint consistency so using the more textured redgrass games paper really helps me check the flow of paint from my brush.
The Ferrero Rocher box one is a great idea, I have one leftover from Christmas :), I had only been using the inserts to mix paint in but now I will use the box too. Thanks for posting the other guys use of it. I have been using a sandwich box with some paper towel and greaseproof paper in but it is a bit deep so the Ferrero box will be much better. I might invest in a thin sponge to replace the paper towel now, actually I think there are some in the kitchen cupboard :)
Metal Bucheron chocolate boxes are ideal for home made wet pallete, slim and good-looking. Also it's almost airtight, so some water evaporates and you don't have water on the lid, but also it remains wet for weeks.
Can really back Emil up on this one. Ive been using a homemade wet palette made from an ikea tupperware container with a wettex cellulose rag such as the one shown in the video with parchment/sandwichpaper on top for years. It works like a charm, keeps the paints wet for several hours when its open and can stay wet for weeks if the container is closed(although i dont recommend this). I myself have pretty much never had issues with paints seperating or getting a dry film in top. With how well it works i dont really see how purchasing a wet palette would be a necessity. To me it seems more like the luxury of having a stylish and properly ergonomic (if you couldnt find a nice and low container) with precut papers more than increased performance. You should prioritize other tools such as kolinsky brushes or even an airbrush over a fancy wet palette imo
I find it really depends on the colour of the paint. Whites dry out pretty quickly, but usually after a good few hours of being on the palette . Certain colours like beige get watery if I leave it overnight. Some paints like black are good for weeks
i picked up 2x Masterson palettes ( one after the other ) such cheap construction that they both had domed bottoms to them. so the paint would just run on the paper to the edge and into the sponge. Redgrass on the other hand, exactly what you expected and wanted from a wet palette. price is worth it, you'll only buy it once.
I actually use some box that is meant to be used for cheese and wurst for breakfast here in Germany. They are not very high, you can buy them with different hight and stack them. So I have one stack for colors, brushes and wet palettes, which is ideal for the space I have.
Picked up a couple of army painter ones recently, one for home and studio, and they've been great. Would love to try Redgrass at some point. Cheers for the recommendations!
I like my red grass but I bought it because I couldnt find the masterssons, but I did buy the smaller one since its larger than my homemade. I found a very low tupperware and I strongly recommend sandwhich paper instead of parchment (butter paper??) Much better moist to paint (believe Miniac mentioned it as well). But that said I have had far less issues with paints breaking apart in red grass but on that note, they sell the moist-pad and paper seperatly so ... find a good container and usung those is probably the best recommendation from my side.
Nice vid as always. I'd like to add just one thing: I have the XL Redgrass and I love her but its paper doesn't really work with some brands (for example Scale75 fantasy line). I replaced the paper with parchment and it works like a dream with any paint range I've tried so far
Thanks,been looking into getting one. Sta-wet is ~$14cdn and the army painter $36ish cdn with redgrass $65cdn +shipping .....probably the sta-wet for now
I know this is an older video but with the masters pallet ive found that if you use the raised area on the lid as a template for cutting the paper to fit it is easier.
I’ve been using a sandwich container for years But as I’m getting better at painting with things like blending and glazing I fill the pallet out really fast so I went to my local hobby store a couple weeks ago to look at them and the cheapest one they had was 69.99 for the army painter one and the red grass xl was 139.99 Canadian. I bought models instead.
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Latterlig god pris på masterson sin wet palette til Norge og. Kjøpte to. No gjenstår det berre å få motatt dei Kickstarter bystene dine so kan eg sette meg ned med min bedre halvdel og male :)
For all you non Scandinavians in the comment section: Ridiculous pricing on the Masterson wet palette to Norway as well. Bought two. Now all I have to is wait until the Kickstarter busts arrive so me and the SO can start painting :)
Hey Emil, do you happen to know when the squidmar airbrush you talked about on the 200k stream is coming out? I want that to be my first airbrush!
Random mini fig question. I got the necron learn to paint kit and it says the minis were “push fit” to assemble, when you make minis that are “push fit” do you still use glue to stick them in place? (I.e. other foot to base) Or is the “push fit” system only on the entry level minis for beginners.
Big tip on homemade wet palettes: upside down tupperware. I use the LID of a tupperware as base instead of the "box", so there are no tall walls getting in the way.
You beautiful genius.
That's a really good idea, thank ya kindly for that.
Been doing this for a while now, the only problem is that the bigger size of the container means that the paints will dry out a bit more when storing. But otherwise works well.
this is what i do. i use a locking lid type of "tupperware" which has a nice flat lid.
Me as well Sistema tupperware
I have the STA-WET Palette and have been using it for a couple of years. If you're in the US you can buy the Reynolds Kitchen cookie baking sheets. They are pre-cut parchment paper that is folded so it makes 4 squares that are perfect for the palette.
That's exactly what I do.
I bought the roll, a little tedious lol. Saw another reviewer use the sheets- BRILLIANT, man🫰🏽
If you are going the home-made route, use your tupperware upside down so the lid is used as the palette. Gives you good low profile for painting.
I use the army painter one myself. A major reason for me buying it was that the refill pack is dirt cheap. £7/€8 for 2 sponges and 50 sheets is a bargain
Same thing for the Masterson here in the states. ONLY bit is I have to cut my own paper, but I enjoy the process🫰🏽
I find the red grass so nice. I’ve literally left paints in it for 3 months before after upgrading to the XL and they were still wet. That seal is no joke, and the magnetic wavy palette on the side is useful for washes and metallics which just really helps my flow. Getting out and cleaning out a separate palette always just one more extra step.
That army painter one looks cool and the ability to store brushes seems really useful. Red grass for home Army painter for travel maybe for me.
Ya I have left paint in my red grass one for the summer and when i opened it up I would have been able to paint with most of the paint. I have never had the issue of that he talks about but I see he uses alot more water in his wet pallet then I do.
Finally a comparison of all the most popular ones. I have the army painter one myself bu I've always wanted to see how it stacks up.
Mentioning Marco Frisconi! Man I love that guy and his channel and the fact you are also a fan makes me an even bigger fan of your videos than I was before.
You should watch his video about "Mastering Object Source Lighting".
@@Monkeyninjaghost oh I watch all his content great stuff!
@@boredcryptek5513, I mean Emil's Mastering Object Source Lighting.
@@Monkeyninjaghost ahh yeah I will rewatch that one. I have always been a fan of both channels. And by always I mean since this summer when I started getting into the hobby.
@@boredcryptek5513, I just assumed you hadn't seen it, since Marco has a great cameo in it ;)
Unlike the catchy phrasing, this video was not "Poopoo in the garbage bin."
i got redgrass small one i absolutely love it was in my local store and really wanted to try a wet pallette have had it for 2years absolutely love it!
I read the title as "Tasted all the wet palletes" and got very concerned for half a second there
They were all delicious :D
TBF they are all just gonna taste like plastic lol
@@crowdemon_archives Yeah but which one tasted the best? I need to know now.
Next level Sam Lenz
That's Miniac's follow up video
I got a advent calendar that gives me a new mini each day its awesome!
Where did you get that? What a cool idea
I’ve been thinking about that as an idea. Yeah where did you get it the I’m?
@@TheMcbiscuit from mighty Lancers games
@@martins3d453 mighty lancer games
I've been using the (small, orange) Redgrass wet palette for a couple of years and I'm extremely happy with it. Closing it has not been an issue - just put less water in it. The sponge is working very well. I keep it wet, but not much free water around it.
Sure, the price could be an issue for many, but given the high quality and what we pay for paints, brushes, paint stations and above all miniatures/games it's worth it.
Being relatively new to painting miniatures, I had to learn that this hobby is not one of the cheapest anyway. And sure, at the moment, this palette costs 25 Euro, but this is something you will have for a long time, so this is relative.
I have a Masterson, and the plastic tray is rather thin, and warps a bit when it’s lidless. I think the sturdiness of the RGG is a plus 🫰🏽
Exactly thus. I use the small Redgrass one as well and never have issues with paints go8ng watery. Just don't oversoak it.
I use the Masterson myself, and really love it. The only other reason I would pick it over your favorite is if your painting space is smaller, a big pallet may be impractical. Great video as always. Thanks very much.
Thanks for this honest review! I had been using a Tupperware sandwich lid and parchment paper, but used paper towels soaked in water instead of a decent sponge thing which resulted in paint separation. I finally just caved. I really want the Red Grass XL, but decided on the Army Painter since my work area is tiny. It arrives in April. So excited!
Why is it specifically doing a paint separation ? I noticed also that, but I don't understand why
I just started painting again after not doing it for almost 30 years....yup...Battletech back in high school...lol. Everyone said to get a wet pallet and I went for two of the Masterson's and I LOVE them. I have access to Tupperware and used that at first to get used to it, but I cannot understate how nice it is to have two dedicated wet pallets, I got the curved tip water bottles to keep them hydrated, and I have an old-style paper cutter so I can cut like ten sheets of parchment paper at a time and it doesn't bug me much. Love the vids man, keep them coming!
I picked the army painter one since it was the one most readily available for me. I already liked it but your professional opinion made me appreciate it even more :D
I really like mine in comparison to my DIY one, but it is far too small for me.
How did you find the lid-seal to work on the army painter one? Do the paints stay wet/have a good consistency when you open it back up?
@@PigeonCrash also got one, seals to good, you have to open the lid a little else the water evaporises, gathers at the top lit and drips into your paints... Overhydrating them :/
I bet it is made by the same people that manufacture the redgrass one
Drilled a hole in my Redgrass lid, just a small one, it helps with condensation.
@Chapstick yep works nicely of course over a few days it harden but paint can normally be reactivated.
Masterson has multiple size of the palette. The one you showed is the small one. The premier palette is larger and has the same design.
I have what I consider an amazing wet palette set up. I found in one of my local department stores in the bathroom section of all places these wonderful stackable plastic organizer trays. They have a ridge on the bottum that form fits into the top. And they cost like a dollar each.
One great thing is that they are long enough to hold my paint brushes too. So I store paper, brushes, and a wet palette all stacked up.
I was looking at some of these at a dollar store the other day, and I was so close to buying a couple to try out. I was concerned that without a seal of any sort, they'd dry out. How does paint hold up with just the friction fit of the trays to seal it up?
Okay, call me nuts, but what I really want to know about is the storage and organizational system you use. Those drawers and such seem super nice.
Good video Squidmar! Cheers from a fellow Swede! :) Honestly I don't get why people buy these so that's why I watched the video. I don't see the benfefit of a premade one. I use a small soap cup with low edges, have a dishcloth cut to size, and then add a paper used for separating sandwiches in food boxes. That said, the use of a wet palette is the thing that has helped me improve my painting, by far.
Most of these hobby supply reviews make me second guess my purchases. It's nice to see I made a good choice with the Masterson wet palette. Good job and thank you for the insight.
Biggest problem I had trying to make my own in the UK was getting parchment paper since every store seems to just sell the wax coated ones that won't allow any water through at all.
Reynolds. Ocado do it the cheapest that I've found
Same issue here in Canada
I find that I liked the wax paper more then parchment to protect my paints from getting too wet from underneath , but the moisture of the box overall was enough to keep my paints wet. I’ve had it mold before the moisture and paints dries up.
@@silverhoney6969 Throw any kind of copper you have in your sponge. Coins, copper shaving, copper O ring, anything copper.
It's just non stick baking paper bro. Grab it at any supermarket in the UK. £2 for a roll that never runs out. I used to make my own for years with kitchen roll, baking paper and a tupperware container.
i've been wanting to buy a wet palette for a long time now, but never knew which one to get so this video was perfect for me!
Samesies:)
This video was really helpful as i am about to buy my first wet palette, the Army painter one seems solid!
Awesome video as always. I've just got the army painter one as my first wet palette, glad to hear it's a decent one.
I started out with masterson and i can whole heartedly agree that its an amazing wet palette. great video squidmar sir
Thank you!!! Just looking into acrylic gouache, and this is best comparison of what will be new (cheap & awesome) equipment !
Big thanks buddy! I found this video super useful when working out which wet palette to buy. I ended up going with the Redgrass XL.
Right now am using a modified make up container. it is shallow and wide, so i have more than enough space. I sawed off the hinge, which gives a small opening for ventilation and lets me remove the lid so it doesn't get in my way. I am using paper towels to hold the water and self cut parchment paper as a surface. Works great for me!
Great video. I too use a Redgrass wet pallet. One thing I have found regarding the sealed in paint getting too wet between sessions is the washed out paint can be removed with a paper towel. If you use a gentle action the paint wants to stick to the towel more than the pallet leaving the paper surface intact for reuse. Of course it doesn't remove all the paint so it only works if you are painting off the same pallet of colours but on the plus side this helps matching the blends. It might seem obvious but a lot of my friends were in the habit of swapping paper each session which is fine if you want to but is very wasteful. I have kept paper in use over multiple sessions covering several weeks. Give it a try there is nothing to lose, because even if you damage the paper surface or have trouble removing the unwanted spoilt paint you were going to chuck the paper anyway.
Came for the Masterson review (I also got the Jazza box, just now started cracking into it) and am SO GLAD it's not just me on the paper being wonky. I've tried both following the soaking instructions and nothing, rinsing it with hot water, nothing makes the paper feel like a skin instead of just random paper. And the paints have soaked through into the sponge which messes with my color perception sometimes. Thank you for noting it and suggesting the parchment paper instead, probably going to use up what came in the box and swap over.
The P3 sold me on wet palettes. It's useful as a stepping stone for those reluctant to make their own. But I've since moved on to the Sta-Wet and it's been my main WP for a few years now. I swear by it. Cannot paint without it.
time to print some camels and moisten my palette
Dont say "moist", else Miniac will show up.
Moist moist moist moist
Thanks for the video, persuaded me to go for the Army Painter one as space is an issue on my desk and having somewhere to keep my brushes is a nice bonus.
Just purchased the Army Painter wet palette over the Redgass one as the army painter was slightly cheaper. Very impressed so far much better than the cheap, made at home option I have been using for a long time
I think the army painter was my fav choice in that size! Good pick!
I've been using the same homemade wet palette ever since I started miniature painting three and a half years ago. I ended up buying the small RedGrass Games wet palette just a few days ago. The size is no problem for me as I have limited desk space and have gotten used to painting with a small sandwich container-sized palette so even this small Red Grass one is larger than what I'm used to. Plus, even though it's completely irrelevant to painting, I do like the aesthetics of the Red Grass wet palettes the most.
Nice test. I used to have the Mastersson wet palette. Unfortunately, mold appeared after a few days. I no longer have the problem with the everlasting wet pallets.
Add a splash of hydrogen peroxide to the water before putting the sponge and paper in. This inhibits growth of both mold/mildew and does not noticeably affect the paint.
@@crystalzanic5056 thanks.
I got the orange redgrass one when it came out on kickstarter and never looked back. Perfect size for a casual painter and the magnetized sides are perfect for metallics. Never have issues wirh watery paint. Dont over saturate the sponge. Also worth having a water dropper bottle at hand to keep it lightly moisturised if your having a longer session or painting the next day. P.s. if your in the UK just use non-stick baking paper from the supermarket.
I saw Marco's Ferrero Rocher video one day and, going into my local supermarket the next day, saw the exact same size FR chocolate boxes at 2-for-1. Happily stuffed with chocolate, I made a Marco FR wet palette - worked wonderfully.
3(4?) months later, I saw a local online supplier doing a *special* for the Army Painter wet palette and succumbed to 'official' wet palette envy. The internal lid that holds the brushes wasn't something that I was expecting so that was a very happy surprise.
That said, both work about the same, and the Army Painter box is more robust than a FR box, and it comes with precut paper.
In terms of price & convenience (you do have to cut the paper, but that just becomes a regular set-up activity), the FR wet palette can't be beaten, especially if you're new to the hobby... and if you're partial to chocolate.
So, if you're painting at home in the same place all the time 》Ferrero Rocher!
If you're taking your kit from place to place 》Army Painter.
Thanks for your insight. I don't have a lot of brushes and I certainly don't paint as mush as you. So, I think I like the Army Painter one best for me. The brush storage means I can keep everything together.
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Interesting comparison! I have always just used a homemade wet palette made from a tupperware plastic box and some sponges.
I love the how the Sta-wet doesnt translate to Stay Wet for non-native English speakers. English is silly.
Yeah, but this is also such an endearing thing about ESL people. It was even cute reading Paind instead of paint. Stupid sexy Emil.
As a Swedish speaker it took me a while to figure out what you even meant. Stah-Wet feels natural.
To be fair, it's doesn't read that way to me on the first take either.
More of a, "Huh. I guess that is supposed to read as 'stay-wet'."
Masterson's should just learn to spell.
@@adfdasdfadfadsfareae Standard spelling is harder to trade mark, I'd imagine.
So I got the Masterson Sta-wet pallet and I don’t have a single issue with the paper made for it. I bought a large pack of the paper, when you do that it comes with instructions on how to use it. You have to let the paper sit in very hot water for about 15 mins and it then becomes very porous and will keep my paints fresh for up to a week. And i can reuse it a few times. Maybe give it another shot? Or maybe most of you did try that and still didn’t like it...well then do what works lol. Strangely I was gifted the Army painter one and that one drys out faster than the Masterson.
Iv been using a home made wet pellet for about 5 years now, if been thinking about buying one but what iv got works fine. It was good to see your review on the different pallets, I think it will help me decide on which one I'll eventually buy.
Great video as always.
I’ve been using the red grass games small palette after struggling with the mastersons. The papers in the mastersons are horrible for miniature paint. And I’m lazy to keep cutting parchment, so the red grass is good for me. Word of caution, the papers can also disintegrate if left for too long. I’m talking after 1-2 weeks
Wait what? Disintegrating paper? Haven't seen that at all - let alone after 1-2 weeks.
As a noob, I am SO glad to see that the Sta-wet palette's paper is actually the problem and its not how I'm using it. That paper has been frustrating me for so long and it had me really scratching my head as it did not seem to be keeping my paints wet like other people's palettes I see in videos (even when I followed the instructions and pre-soaked the paper in warm water).
I literally had an arguement with myself TODAY about whether or not to buy a wet palette. The army painter version is probably perfect for me. Thanks for the thorough review Emil, great video!
Something to keep in mind: I have the Masterson and after a few months I already started having mold issues. I am switching to the Army Painter as the sponge is supposed to have an anti-mold feature.
Yeah red grass has that too. I wrote a comment that he did not take that into account, cause for me personally that is a huge bonus and also a big negative for the homemade one.
You guys try cleaning the sponge once and awhile? A couple of drops of bleach and a half hour soak every so often goes a long way
@@jrseitz21 Haven't tried bleach but I cleaned it pretty regularly with hot water and some Dawn soap. Haven't had any issues with the army painter one so far.
@@uba754 i read alot of stuff on cleaning and stuff so that translated into the palette stuff. But just a few things...2 pennies from before mid 1970s. (True copper keeps bacteria at bay) because of a chemical reaction that basically they hate. A few drops of ammonia in the water does the same but might stink like piss for a hour lol. Otherwise like i said whenever I change my projects I do want you do just every few weeks I'll toss the whole thing in the bathroom sink with a few bloops of bleach and let it soak while at work. Never had a problem with smells or mold yet. I never tried the copper thing but I'm sure it works good and is cheap lol. 2 cents. Also why water pipes are copper. Cheap metal and nothing grows in it. ....just a few tips incase you wanted to know. Worse case scenario Amazon sells replacement sponges in packs of 3 for like 10 bucks and also alot of people buy these thin sponge wipes at the store....pretty darn close to the real thing. Just don't put anything besides ammonia in the pallet when using it. Also Masterson recommends a few drops of listerine whilst using it. Minty fresh smells. Anyway long rant but maybe it'll help some people. Also never mix ammonia and bleach. Unless you want to die and burn your lungs. Bad times don't do that ever even for curiosity sake because it's straight up poison to the lungs and you will never breathe right again.
Your choice of palettes to review were great. I own the Masterson, picked it up at a retail craft store. My sponge got mold, but only because I left it sitting with water for over a week. This is after months of use. It’s coming apart near the middle when I wash it, but only because I had to wash the mold off. I also have to cut my own paper, and I don’t mind it. I’m going to invest in an RGG version. I’m hoping the paint WONT separate overnight the way my Masterson unfortunately does. Other than the mold, and citadel paint separation after sitting overnight, it’s a great palette for the price🫰🏽
Warm tone. Nice and clear. I obviously talking about the voice. XD. You're the best, Squidmar!!!
👍Was pleasantly surprised when you didn’t poo poo the idea of using a diy wet palette. Thanks for the review and breaking down the pros and cons of each.
For a home made palette, i started with using the box that came with my Army Painter Wash set. Worked great. A better solution is to buy a refill for the Army Painter wet palette. The plastic contained it comes in works perfectly as the wet palette. This is a great option if your local shop stocks those and you aren't sure if you want to pay for a full Wet Palette yet. The refill pack comes with papers, and sponge! If you decide to upgrade to an Army Painter palette, you already have refills!
Dude your on a roll a video last wensday and then Saturday and then now that’s 3 videos in 3 days, great job.
I've been using a sandwich box that some ebay miniatures came shipped in for the last year. Wet paper towel and baking parchment paper.
I used the mastersons for a few years until recently switching to the redgrass games ones; the reason was my mastersons sponges kept degrading and growing mold (even if copper in the bottom of the palette to discourage mold from growing). After I switched the sponge out for a new one for the seventh or eighth time I bit the bullet and get the redgrass games palette because the sponge is easier to wash without destroying it and because of it's anti-mold properties. I've been using it for a few months now and am super happy. I also got the bigger XL palette and I'm happier with the size for all my mixing needs.
I may have too look at the red grass games box it's quite arid where I'm at and that might help if it's as air tight as you experienced.
The wet palette move is RedGrass Orange, with Army painter replacement sheets. Enough room on the sides so the paper doesn't overlap, and you can keep it easily topped up with water.
I use a small atomizer bottle to spritz over my paint dollops on the wet pallet. It minimizes the 'skinning'.
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Been using my DIY version made with a take out container, paper towel/ now sponge, and parchment paper, 8” x 10” working area. Works great only drawback, high sides about a inch. I guess when I get ready I’ll speed money or find a locking plastic container with low sides.
Can't believe I haven't seen a review of wet palettes before - good subject, another great vid :)
I put the Army Painter wet pallet on my wishlist this year for Christmas and I'm glad it got your seal of approval.
I have it and love it! The brush holder is really handy
@@notLura I've been DIYing the passed year, so I'm excited to try it out. Provided I get it, of course.
There are mastersons palettes that come in a HUGE size. The normal size is good but if you want a monster palette, check your art store.
Also, some brands of baking parchment paper come precut that fit the normal size mastersons :)
Yeah, I saw Masterson’s in about 3-4 sizes from different sources/ art stores / online.
I have been using the army painter wet palette for the good part of a year now and I really like it, it keeps my paints wet but not too much even over 3 days and the refill hydro packs are pretty cheap, also it comes with a neat second bottom where you can store tools and brushes..only negative for me is indeed the size, sometimes it gets a little crowded on the palette especially if Ia am working on a mini over a longer period or with a lot of colors
The pre cut Reynolds baking sheets come in a box folded into quarters. If you cut along the folds, you get four sheets that are a pretty good fit for the Masterson’s palette. They’re a bit smaller than the full size of the palette, but I think it’s a fair trade off with how easy they are to prepare.
RedGrasser here with the small one which is just the perfect size for me.
Started with a DIY one but parchment paper is difficult to find here since the one most sold for baking is coated on one side with some non-stock grease which just kill the osmosis/membrane effect you want from it.
The RGG one is definitely beyond what I'm willing to spend. I made my own from a small sistema (tupperware-type) container and that has worked well so far. I'm interested in the Army Painter and Masterson ones too. I like the idea of one that lives in my "go box" for mobile use, and another larger one that is at my desk. Good video, I appreciate your run through of what you liked/disliked, thank you!
Metal pencil case. Cellulose dish rag. Parchment paper. Keeps my paints fresh for ages. I’ve been painting with the same paints for just over a week now.
Also, it’s only about half a centimetre high. Effing fantastic.
Got myself a redgrass XL on 35% discount, and it's absolutely amazing, but your critique about the seals being too tight is definitely true. It is expensive, but I work at an Element Games, so it was a lot more affordable to me as a result.
Thank god I came across your videos a while back, wet pallets were totally foreign to me as a painter and oh boy do they work so well. Squidmar has taught and will continue to teach me well
Thanks Squidmar, always enjoy watching your videos. Very timely as I was looking to buy one. Ordered one using your link. 👍
I have been using the masterson for a bit. One of the nice things about it is that I can switch from painting minis to painting with heavy body acrylics on canvas. Great reviews.
Just a heads up, if you order or buy a redgrass wet palette, don't expect to use it anytime soon in the USA. It takes almost 2 months for delivery for how they deliver it from the UK. (my guess is cheap and slow).
If you buy the refill pack for the Army Painter wet palette, it comes in clamshell packaging which works just fine as a case
I have the Masterson Sta-Wet, I have used it twice now. Both times I have let the paint stay in there for some time. The paint got moldy (although I have old acrylic Utretch artist grade paint, so since it is old that might be a factor) and the sponge got a swampy smell. I really didnt enjoy the smell while I was painting. So I cleaned it and havent set it back up. Normally if I'm going to sit down to paint a miniature I paint it in one sitting, otherwise they sit half painted for a while. I use regular parchment paper and slow drying medium if I'm going to be painting for a while.
When it come to using acrylics I am a neophite. But you were right about that parchment paper being better. The paper that came with the Masterson Pallet was way to thick. I ordered some parchment paper at Amazon and it is way better. I'm in the process of teaching myself how to paint faces with acrylics. i always used oils for the face before.
I'm in the market for a wet pallet so this has been helpful. Cheers mate
I recently upgraded to the Masterson from a homemade 3D printed wet pallet. The paper is awful, but the sponge was a massive upgrade from the shammy-cloth sponge I was previously using. It can hold a lot more water and is much nicer to work with. I don't get a dry film on the paint but that may be related to relative humidity.
If someone is on a budget I definitely agree they might get more mileage from just buying a Masterson sponge replacement pack and using it in their own wet-pallet, since the box doesn't really gain much from being fancy.
I have been using a Masterson Sta-Wet Super Pro, which I originally got to have an air-tight storage for my oil palette between sessions. It's way too big, honestly, but that's a minor thing most of the time.
I agree with you about their paper. You can tell it's meant to keep heavy body acrylics moist without making them runny. It will still keep your paints workable for hours but probably not the next day.
I use a GW static grass container with a shammee for the spounge and parchment paper.
It seals tight. It's shallow. And it looks better then a Tupperware container.
I like using the Masterson Pallet/sponge + redgrass games small paper available at my local game store. Parchment paper that I've bought have a bit too much silicone in the coating that causes the paint to slide around. At my painting level I'm not very good at gauging paint consistency so using the more textured redgrass games paper really helps me check the flow of paint from my brush.
The Ferrero Rocher box one is a great idea, I have one leftover from Christmas :), I had only been using the inserts to mix paint in but now I will use the box too. Thanks for posting the other guys use of it. I have been using a sandwich box with some paper towel and greaseproof paper in but it is a bit deep so the Ferrero box will be much better. I might invest in a thin sponge to replace the paper towel now, actually I think there are some in the kitchen cupboard :)
Metal Bucheron chocolate boxes are ideal for home made wet pallete, slim and good-looking. Also it's almost airtight, so some water evaporates and you don't have water on the lid, but also it remains wet for weeks.
Can really back Emil up on this one. Ive been using a homemade wet palette made from an ikea tupperware container with a wettex cellulose rag such as the one shown in the video with parchment/sandwichpaper on top for years. It works like a charm, keeps the paints wet for several hours when its open and can stay wet for weeks if the container is closed(although i dont recommend this). I myself have pretty much never had issues with paints seperating or getting a dry film in top. With how well it works i dont really see how purchasing a wet palette would be a necessity. To me it seems more like the luxury of having a stylish and properly ergonomic (if you couldnt find a nice and low container) with precut papers more than increased performance. You should prioritize other tools such as kolinsky brushes or even an airbrush over a fancy wet palette imo
I find it really depends on the colour of the paint.
Whites dry out pretty quickly, but usually after a good few hours of being on the palette .
Certain colours like beige get watery if I leave it overnight.
Some paints like black are good for weeks
i picked up 2x Masterson palettes ( one after the other ) such cheap construction that they both had domed bottoms to them. so the paint would just run on the paper to the edge and into the sponge. Redgrass on the other hand, exactly what you expected and wanted from a wet palette. price is worth it, you'll only buy it once.
I love the army painter one. The top can be used as a dry pallet. It is small but fits on my bench
I actually use some box that is meant to be used for cheese and wurst for breakfast here in Germany. They are not very high, you can buy them with different hight and stack them. So I have one stack for colors, brushes and wet palettes, which is ideal for the space I have.
Got myself the Army Painter one. Really holds up imo!
Picked up a couple of army painter ones recently, one for home and studio, and they've been great. Would love to try Redgrass at some point. Cheers for the recommendations!
I like my red grass but I bought it because I couldnt find the masterssons, but I did buy the smaller one since its larger than my homemade. I found a very low tupperware and I strongly recommend sandwhich paper instead of parchment (butter paper??) Much better moist to paint (believe Miniac mentioned it as well). But that said I have had far less issues with paints breaking apart in red grass but on that note, they sell the moist-pad and paper seperatly so ... find a good container and usung those is probably the best recommendation from my side.
I use the Masterson's wet pallet. $5 from Michael's with a coupon...can't beat that!
Came here to say that! Michael’s or joanns here in the US always has these with a coupon, also can get the refills there !
Was literally looking to buy a wet palette tomorrow so this video was great!
Great info!!! Also can't wait to get those sweet brushes to try on my wet palette!
Nice vid as always. I'd like to add just one thing: I have the XL Redgrass and I love her but its paper doesn't really work with some brands (for example Scale75 fantasy line). I replaced the paper with parchment and it works like a dream with any paint range I've tried so far
Thanks,been looking into getting one. Sta-wet is ~$14cdn and the army painter $36ish cdn with redgrass $65cdn +shipping .....probably the sta-wet for now
I know this is an older video but with the masters pallet ive found that if you use the raised area on the lid as a template for cutting the paper to fit it is easier.
I’ve been using a sandwich container for years But as I’m getting better at painting with things like blending and glazing I fill the pallet out really fast so I went to my local hobby store a couple weeks ago to look at them and the cheapest one they had was 69.99 for the army painter one and the red grass xl was 139.99 Canadian. I bought models instead.