You, sir, are a scourge on my credit card. One of these little guys is on its way to my house. Will be my new 2.5G router, replacing an ASUS RT-AX86U now that I have fiber.
1 year ago I did not know what Proxmox, virtualisation, external router and firewall were. Today I have them all at home: Beelink SER as Proxmox server for all my home thingis (Home Assistant, NodeRed, MQTT and tones of others) and such appliance like in this video as my router and Opnsense firewall on it. Actually your channel and your videos made me spending this money on these things - so thank you for help. It is always a pleasure to watch your videos. Of course once I have bought all of them this year I am nowhere near to change any of them, especially that mine are working fine and still below their limits. But still I like to watch your videos. Thanks again for all of them.
Hey Patrick, I had to use a full-sized PC board/CPU in order to get OpnSense to firewall at wire speed with a typical set of firewall rules with a 5Gb link. It would be nice if you could put each of these newer devices with >1Gbe on a comparative spectrum for how much traffic they can actually filter and pass. Perhaps you could set up a test harness with a couple reference points for number/type of filtering rules, dedicated or trunked traffic, and so on. I haven't seen anything else like this out there yet, so just offering an idea for something I would want to see.
What kernel are you using in proxmox? You might want to try 6.1 or 6.2, which has all the N100 power management, you should be close to 6-7 watts at idle
I think that will remain the realm of DIYers for many years still, but at least we can now achieve solid 10G routing and multi-gig VPN with low-mid range desktop hardware.
5:35 I suspect the reason why theres less random-branded DDR5 memory is because theres just less DDR5 ics floating around in China to produce them affordably.
I hope they're going bring out some with the U300 Line. Then they would have enough pcie lanes for 10GBit connectivity. That would be insanely useful. The single P Core could also be tremendously useful for routing and stuff thats highly single threaded.
The G-Connector is GPIO -> General-purpose input/output -> uncommitted digital signal pin on an integrated circuit or electronic circuit (e.g. MCUs/MPUs) board which may be used as an input or output, or both, and is controllable by software
Exactly! I'm just starting to look into these types of units to prepare for 10G fiber from my ISP at home and can't find anything small with 10G except for the R86s units, but they are a bit underpowered, I think... Am I overlooking something?
Same here this new unit would be perfect for power etc but they are finally laying in ftth where I am (after often was done a decade ago and idiots in charge put hell Canada in charge of oversight.. so the subcontractors that actually did the work was explicitly told NO ftth allowed.. only fiber to HELLs local substations for vdsl fukkers) anyhow.. it appears I will have to suffer eith a Hell canada "hub" aka sagemcom oem.. and best options are the older model 2000 or 3000.. and i need a small box like this only with a sfp+ input and out to act as router before standalone switch. So far i have found sfa that fits the bill and isnt $$$$$$$$$" anyone out there have any info???
I don't think the N series CPUs have the pcie lanes for that. They have 9 gen 3 lanes. A x550-da2 needs 4 lanes, the main SSD is going to be X4, each 2.5gbe needs a x1. So dual 10gbe + 2.5 + SSD is all your lanes. You could go down to a x1 for the ssds, and you could get dual 10gbe + dual 2.5 + dual SSD. I really wish there was a low cost N100 compute level but with 48+ lanes. Ideally it would support bifurcation and gen4.
@@Cynyr Even sata would be great.. Just don't like the soldered RAM or storage really as the ram would be nice to have an upgrade path on, same with storage or even replacement from wear over time from local logging.
I would love a 1U version of this that i can put at the tippy top of my enclosed rack (tip top so it can still be passive and 1U to give it more surface area for cooling in a hot enclosed rack), but i'd prefer the 8 core version, still super upset they're calling this 8 core Atom N305, an i3-N305, with the same CSP/MSRP as an i3-1215u/1315u Why price it the same as a processor that is literally twice as performant, twice the GPU, close to 4X the PCIe bandwidth, twice the spec, and more than 15x the RAM support, once 64GB DDR5 SODIMMs become available, you can physically install up to 256GB on a 4 slot board where as the i3-N305 has the same 16GB firmware limit, doesnt matter if you stick in a 64GB dimm, it doesnt seem to work correctly with more than 16GB.
Many of the aliexpress sellers will offer a rackmount option if you message them. Usually gets a fan in that config but they also put an internal power supply on it. I have gotten Qotom to make me rackmount versions of their units for $50 to $100 upcharge. If you order a higher quantity they would also do custom logo printing.
The standard way to adapt this, last I saw, was a rack tray. The unit is a little taller than 1U but at the top of the rack that probably doesn't matter. If you actually need it to be 1U and passive, that's a new heatsink/case extrusion, which would be very niche and a big ask.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Please review the version with the Pentium Gold 8505 CPU since it has 1 P core + 4 E cores and offers 20 PCIe lanes compared to the 9 PCIe lanes of the N100/200/300 series
10:28 -- 3am before Computex? Yikes. Thank you for wearing the cape 👍. I am giving these CWWK Alder Lake N100/N305 firewall + possible NAS thingys another glance. Their 4x NVMe daughter board you showed in your other N305 video is a nifty "cheat code" (as Wendell might say). Kindest regards, friends and neighbours.
I got this exact system with N100 cpu, 16GB memory and I placed a 250GB nvme drive in it. It handles my opnsense and home assistant workloads as VM’s withsome extra containers in proxmox and i never see the total cpu load get above 10%. I would 100% recommend this unit for typical homelab containers and a couple of VMs. I did place a 12CM fan on top powered by external usb port at 5volt. This has a huge impact on the cpu temps. Still mich better than a internal fan imho because I can replace it in 5 min with any 12cm fan and it’s super quiet.
If it is made by CWWK, then it is not USB 3.0 on the alderlake N models. It is USB 2.0. The reason is 9 PCIE lanes (x1 each for 4 x 2.5, x1 for wifi, x 4 for nvme). CWWK said that later they will have a converter board that converts one of the m.2 slot to USB 3.0. There is another brand that looks very close to this one, that trades x2 nvme bandwidth to USB 3.0.
I was wondering if this is really USB 3.0 because for topton and cwwk they explicite mention 4 USB 2.0 ports for this chassis. There is a mini version in topton and WooYi that says it has 2 x USB 3.0
@@diegosps I have the N100 version running proxmox 8: the 2 back and 2 front ports seem to be connected to Bus 01 which is only usb 2. Bus 02 shows up as 1000 gbps but is not connected :-( # lsusb -t /: Bus 02.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/4p, 10000M /: Bus 01.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/12p, 480M |__ Port 1: Dev 10, If 0, Class=Vendor Specific Class, Driver=usbfs, 12M |__ Port 2: Dev 11, If 0, Class=Human Interface Device, Driver=usbfs, 12M |__ Port 4: Dev 9, If 0, Class=Mass Storage, Driver=usbfs, 480M |__ Port 7: Dev 5, If 0, Class=Mass Storage, Driver=usb-storage, 480M
PSA: a single stick of DDR5 is running at dual channel. Same as two stick of DDR4. I think they include the crucial brand DDR5 is just because the no-brand one haven't catch up to DDR5 yet.
DDR5 modules do have two channels BUT they are effectively half width from DDR4. We have an entire video on DDR5 ua-cam.com/video/CG5ontMa8kw/v-deo.html
Do any of them support their devices with firmware updates yet? So far I've found these no-name brands to be fixed in time once you've purchased them, and that's always a bit disturbing with the number of random firmware and CPU vulnerabilities lately.
There have been some updates. We also have an awesome STH forum thread in the description with folks editing to get new features enabled. Still, not as many as the average gaming motherboard.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo What would be worth testing is pppoe performance, especially virtualised interfaces. I have been trying to get a proxmox virtualised low power server that could do 1gbs over pppoe, it is basically single threaded on freebsd (pfsense), don't want to passthru so more overhead. So far - 4305U passmark single threaded 1365 not quite fast enough if pfsense run virtualised. i3-1115g4 single passmark 2666, easily does it, can be throttled to 2.1Ghz and still is fine, but it get too hot. N100 passmark 1998, should be good enough and having just commissioned one - it is. Still fairly warm, but nothing like the i3 which actually got too hot to touch!
I really wish they would put these in a rack mount case off the bat, or offer the mounting shelf for two of them like palo alto does for their small firewalls (pa-820 etc) - would allow side by side mounting for running ha configs. I still havn't got round to putting the mini firewall in place because i don't have a mounting option for it in the rack currently.
A bit off topic. But I noiticed that the SSD is from Fangxiang using YMTC chips. Rarely seem them outside of China. Much of the recent price drop of NVME drives have been accredited to the rise of YMTC. Any chance that this drives/chips could be investigated? I'm current running 10 NVME drives on one of my severs. would also be intereseted in budget NVME storage server suggestions. platform, fs, raid, networking, etc.
I love these reviews. I started with the J4125 unit that you reccomend and ended up upgrading to the 58000U unit that you later reviewed. In retrospect the 5800U is overkill but it's been such a good unit.
While I agree that the performance jump is better than the 5105 or 6005 it still does not match performance of 6th or 7th Gen i7. I have a Lenovo M720q Tiny with a 9700T CPU. With the 4 port I350 and 16 gig RAM it's cheaper than a N200 equipped machine.
That will also use a LOT more power. It is very competitive more with the 35W Core i5-6500T, but with a total system power that is less than half of what we saw with those systems. Good thing there are lots of options. We have 1-2 cool TinyMiniMicro builds coming. Deciding if we can get them both into a single video.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yep, this is exactly the benefit if you run it as a firewall appliance that isn't running full load all the time, low/partial load is where these cores will shine. Personally hoping someone will make a dual SFP+ equipped one, just cause 2.5GBe quite isn't there in the datacenter used market and likely won't be.
The difference in power consumption makes it a bit of an irrelevant comparison for anyone seriously considering one of these. Beyond just cost of power these could be run off of a relatively tiny battery backup system or even offgrid alderlake also has in silicon fixes for security issues that earlier Intel chips don't for people who might be concerned about such things. Older second hand is almost always cheaper and going up a few skus in power will still perform better unsurprisingly.
My N100 just arrived yesterday. One thing to note - the power supplies don't seem to be genuine. Mine came with a "Delta" one but it weighs nothing and the logos are just wrong. I've ordered a genuine one to replace it as it'll be on 24/7.
Small remark for the performance comparison: You show in the graphs @07:30 that the N5105 has about 64-73% as much performance as the N100, but you say that the N100 is around 30% faster in single core performance, when it is in fact aorund 56% (1051/678=1.56) faster. Either that or you meant to say the N5105 is around 30% slower. For the N200 it's even more, that one is, according to the graphs shown, roughly 70% (1145/672=1.70) faster than the N5105 instead of the mentioned 40-50%. Flipped around the slower than/faster than here as well. :)
We typically only show a portion of the workloads we actually run, but we try to consistently show the same bits. I do not want to tell folks 70% then they see 25-30% on most things and then they wonder what is going on. Better to set realistic expectations.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I figured it'd be something like that, just very unlucky that the numbers coincide to look just like the graphs were wrongly interpreted :D
This could be perfect for like NAS systems or media servers, too. The N100 chip seems to be capable of 4k 10-bit AV-1 decoding. ASRock seems to be selling an Micro ATX form factor SOC with a full length PCIe 3.0 meaning SAS or SATA controller are actually viable. For just a little over €100€ in my case without the DDR4 stick - sadly - it seems like a good deal. Add in PSU, DDR4 and controller and you're more or less good to go. For a pure media server, however, I'd say it's a bit too overpowered. I'm definitely interested too see what these chips are capable of!
Important thing to note is the full length PCIe in the asrock works at 2x speed so it's not really any better than the shorter PCIe in the ITX variant. (The shorter connector seems to have an open back so it should accept any PCIe cards) So if you only want one addon card you could go with the itx model and external 19volt power brick.
Regarding the dual nvme slot I think there could be usage for a small NVMe mirror for ZFS with snapshots, you'd be able to change from pfsense to opnsense easily if you'd like to test both out. There is a new DRAMless SN580 btw it comes down to 250GB, well suited otherwise a Crucial P3 Plus is straight forward and also DRAMless for low thermals.
The worst part of your videos are the "hold on let's back up" I'm sure that it was some meme that you did when you started becoming popular but it effectively makes people sit for two content introductions eitherside of an introduction.
I want the same, but with fully featured wifi subsystem (4-6 mountable antennas, etc). Wifi on this thing will suck :( So it's just a router, with pricey case (i think it take more than a half of the price). For years I'm lazily looking for perfect home router, 4gb+ RAM, without OS bundled (it should just boot from SD, or USB stick if any plugged, the rest I'll do myself over SSH). One or two PoE ports would be great to have. CPU arch doesn't matter when you're Gentoo user, you know how to cross-compile Linux :)
I wish the sub-10W range was also covered by Ryzen. With how efficient they are in mini PCs at 15-30W, I think they would absolutely kill it in these fanless designs! My dream is having a fanless laptop with lots of cores.
Thank you SO MUCH for reviewing this Patrick! I now know exactly what I'll be getting to replace my ageing celeron proxmox box now. Thank you thank you thank you for yet another brilliant video!
The Aliexpress-listing says those are all USB2.0-ports, not 3.0. Can you confirm that they are actually USB3.0, like you claim here, or is the listing correct?
Years ago when I built my router I was hoping to get somethig like this, but I couldn't find anything good enough. Instead I got an Asrock Rack Mini-ITX board with dual onboard Intel NIC's, installed a Core i3-7100 and used a mini-box M350 case and a Pico-PSU to make my own. I wonder how these new Alder Lake N100 and N200's compare to the i3-7100's OpenVPN performance.
N100 is pretty decent and 16GB is fine. Using just a SD card I would pass on and instead use a NVMe SSD these days. Logging on a firewall will often write too much to SD cards so a SSD is much better.
I have the china version with 6 x 2.5gbps ethernet port. Works stable for 4 x wan load balancing with zenarmor enabled. The CPU core widget temp is 50-70c
I'm needing to replace my wrt 3200 ACM Linksys router because I've tried two routers in the past week and they both reboot everything 30 minutes since last wednesday. My server logs have grown to 9 GB in just a week due to all the hacker bot traffic that's coming in. I need to find a solution that can replace the 3200. It needs to have network attached storage and Wi-Fi as well as hairpin Nat.
Many folks do not want that on firewalls since it is another security surface and OS. Adding a AST2600 probably adds around $25 and 5W of power consumption. That is a lot on this class of device
I'd love to have a dual 10GBASE-T option to pair with these $300 10G switches in the consumer market - right now I can drop $315 on one of these, but then I feel "stuck" on 2.5G for the future. I think I'll probably just hold out and hope one of these babies gets upgraded with enough PCIe lanes to get a 2x10GbE and 2x2.5GbE solution or something similar - 2 x 10GbE being my absolute minimum.
The use for the other M.2 is if you want to have a small storage node and use it mostly as a switch or router not firewall. Having 4TB of free space isn't a lot but it is enough for some for network storage for their home shared storage. For less than most NASes just without the redundancy you would get with any NAS system would give you.
Thanks for the review. What I miss is, how the power consumption changes with more than 1 or with all network adapters working. I think this would be a more interesting real life use case for a router/firewall appliance.
The N5105 is very good still. In the last year they went through 5 revisions after taking over from the J4125. Over 5 revisions they have gotten very good
Or running your NAS, Home assistant and router on one device (eventually all in their own VM's) instead of having a separate machine for every one of those.
need to see a switch that can do 1g 2.5, 5 and 10g all in on switch. Most anything now days still uses 1g IE game consoles, tv's ect. Be nice to have a switch that can do any of those speeds. Because your just constantly just upgrading hardware if you can just upgrade once for a long long time.
We have you covered on that: ua-cam.com/video/brQUwucJLtg/v-deo.html Stay tuned for more switch reviews. We have 3 reviews the team is already working on.
About the temperature difference. I have a similar unit and I got the same temperatures when I change in UEFI firmware (BIOS) CPU performance settings from Max battery to Turbo. You may check if this setting is the same on your N100 and N200 :)
Super! We have an awesome forum thread with these linked in the description where folks are doing stuff like that. I like to test these as they arrive since that is how 99% of people will use them
Also, in the future you can get these with a daughter/riser card kind of things to further expand its capabilities. Pretty psyched about the N305 version as it would replace my i5-8600 server.
the libvirt frontend for cockpit has gotten so good, we run Fedora on one of those and pass one of the NICs into OPNsence and make a bridge of the other 3 (with a virtual device connecting the bridge and OPNsense) - and we didn't have to touch the XML or even command line once to set it up.
Hey Patrick. Please message me when you can for more info on this.... My wife and I own an IT company and we use the second SSD to store cache which can be used for LAN Cache. We configured it so we can use the bandwidth in our office while accelerating things like game downloads, windows updates, VMware node extensions, and more. Please reach out so we can teach out how to do this. Thanks!
Patrick, can you use your considerable influence to ask about a box like this that contains one of the new Ryzen V3000 cpus that have dual 10gb nics built into the chip?
Any word on pfSense support for those i226V NIC's Is it good? You used to always buy Intel NIC's for this kind of stuff, but their 2.5Gbit chips have been iffy at best.
Agree - if used for a firewall. May be useful for a Plex server and may negatively impact power consumption. And may make difference for those who want to use it as a low-power fanless desktop replacement. And thanks a ton for showing them! And waiting for a i3/10G version :D
It looks like the N200 version was placed under the N100? At least, this is what the activity LED implies. If tests were performed in this configuration then that explains the 70 deg temperatures. Physically move the N100 before running the tests. Of course one might have positioned them together just for the video, in which case please to ignore this comment.
i have n5105 and would buy n305 version if they hadnt removed the sata connector. the power is still there, but no sata data. i use 2 wifi cards and a sata drive for os for a debian server/wifi router, and lack of sata disqualifies this.
You can get a gold 8505 cpu instead. It is a lot more powerful and has 2 ddr4 slots. Bought one barebone with 32gb ram and cheap 240gb ssd total was 220gbp.
What I would like to see in a review is whether a more potent APU (like AMD"s 4800U) that is under max load more power hungry is actually more energy efficient (or not) compared to these ultra lower power NXXX APU's when performing light tasks.
I really don't mean to be annoying, but just in case the designers of these machines are watching any of these comments, PLEASE GIVE US 10G base-t! - These mini computers make FANTASTIC homelab and small business border routers. but they are extremely limited by the 2.5g ethernet interfaces, particularly if you're like me and have the capability of 10g fiber and/or (a more likely scenario) if you're trying to use it to route vlans on a 10g network. OR, if you wanted to use this for something like a proxmox cluster, again the 2.5g network interfaces are very limiting for both external networking and backhaul. I suppose you *could* use LAGG to get aggregated 12gb/s but that also means using 4 ports on a 10g multigigabit switch and 10g switch ports are rather expensive to need 4 of them per unit... especially in the case of a proxmox cluster where you'd need at least 3 of them (for a total of up to 12 10g ethernet ports. tl;dr: PLEASE give us 10g ports on these (preferably 10g base-t, but at lease 2 10g-base-t *capable* sfp+ ports) on these minipc's.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Unless they're using a PLX switch (i'm not sure), each of those i226-v chips is using a pcie lane. you only need 2 pcie3 lanes (which are about 8gb/s) for 10g ethernet which means that a 2x 10g ethernet option should be possible. Further, there's that second m.2 slot exposed by the "h" board. m.2 is typically 4 pcie lanes as well which means theoretically you should be able to break that into 2 10g ports too. I may have to investigate that option.
Hi Patrick, You said the N100/N200 can support the 2.5Gb ports but can it support running many of the modules available for the PFsense firewall and a AT&T Fibre 1GB internet connection? For example one would want to run the Suricata Threat Detection module, the Unbound DNS Resolver with encrypted DNS, and the Geo Fencing Modules. Would it still have headroom for VPN connections and other services?
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Actually according to Passmark the N100 has twice the performance of the Atom C3558 processor running on NetGate's 6100. So I'm thinking if they expect that to support two 10Gbe and four 2.5Gbe that the N100 should be sufficient to run Suricata, Unbound, PfBlocker and even a VPN.
I recently picked up one of the N100 units and populated with 2 NVMe SSD and 16GB RAM. It is running XCP-NG with the 2 SSDs in a RAID 1 configuration. It seems to work very well. I may be dense, but I could not find an option in the AMI BIOS for auto power on after power failure. Could someone tell me where to find it?
I'm replying to my own comment in case someone else runs into the same issue. For my slightly newer motherboard that has 2 x USB 3 ports and AMI BIOS, got to the "Chipset" page, then open the "PCH-IO" section and select the "State after G3" option
There is a note on screen in that section. Yes. We are just using that configuration for the power consumption. The actual load and benchmarks were done in a 22.5C room on a table.
When you talk about performance, I would really like to see som iperf and real-world throughput tests. Maybe a standard baseline opnsense config and throw some packets at it?
The N5105 pushes 2.5Gbps wire speeds over NAT in iperf3 across two pairs of ports (so 2x 2.5GbE NAT on the same box). I am not sure how useful that is to show for even faster CPUs.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo The interesting thing is when you throw in VPNs and IDS. That will likely hit either the crypto accelerator in the CPU, if the CPU has one, or will directly hit the normal CPU.
Local ISP now offers 3Gig service with a 10Gig port on the ONT. Need to see units with 10/5/2.5/1 gig ports or multiple sfp+ ports asap. Usually the best option is a supermicro or Asrock rack Xeon-D since they often get 10Gig ports.
Need much the same as are finally doingnftth drops here with 8gb avail.. but need a box much like the one in the vid only with min 2 stp+ for IO (3 is better in case one dies) Oh and asrock is bottom of the barrel after decades in IT and doing a ton of review and test work Asrock has been blacklisted by us and quite a few others due to their beyond shit CS..
Ok, I am looking at putting in a micro PC like this in my network cabinet. I need it to run a firewall/modem so I can't get rid of my base unit, home assistant, Adguard/pihole/something along those lines, and unify controller. Is this powerful enough to run all that or should I look at something a touch bigger?
@@ServeTheHomeVideo that's good!!! I don't want to rerun my network in this house, but my next option was jumping to a 2u server And placing that in my garage and running my plex server from that as well. Thank you for running an amazing channel
You, sir, are a scourge on my credit card.
One of these little guys is on its way to my house. Will be my new 2.5G router, replacing an ASUS RT-AX86U now that I have fiber.
Amazing! But I think you got a fan donation on that little fanless box
@@ServeTheHomeVideo The one you sent along is going at the office already. You got me hooked.
Ha :-)
1 year ago I did not know what Proxmox, virtualisation, external router and firewall were. Today I have them all at home: Beelink SER as Proxmox server for all my home thingis (Home Assistant, NodeRed, MQTT and tones of others) and such appliance like in this video as my router and Opnsense firewall on it. Actually your channel and your videos made me spending this money on these things - so thank you for help. It is always a pleasure to watch your videos. Of course once I have bought all of them this year I am nowhere near to change any of them, especially that mine are working fine and still below their limits. But still I like to watch your videos. Thanks again for all of them.
Hey Patrick, I had to use a full-sized PC board/CPU in order to get OpnSense to firewall at wire speed with a typical set of firewall rules with a 5Gb link. It would be nice if you could put each of these newer devices with >1Gbe on a comparative spectrum for how much traffic they can actually filter and pass. Perhaps you could set up a test harness with a couple reference points for number/type of filtering rules, dedicated or trunked traffic, and so on. I haven't seen anything else like this out there yet, so just offering an idea for something I would want to see.
What kernel are you using in proxmox? You might want to try 6.1 or 6.2, which has all the N100 power management, you should be close to 6-7 watts at idle
Isn't 7.4 the current version? Are you saying they removed these features from 6.2 to 7.4?
Waiting for a solid 10G appliance for firewall/router combo with opnsense.
I think that will remain the realm of DIYers for many years still, but at least we can now achieve solid 10G routing and multi-gig VPN with low-mid range desktop hardware.
@Justin Slay look for Deciso DEC 740 and higher versions
Indeed 2.5gb in in min now for faster inet connections... my house in wired for 10gb 15 yrs ago ffs..
Why the lack at least 1 sfp+ in curious
Does the m.2 slot support adding a 10gbe adapter in??
Yeah, my ISP recently started offering 5Gbps fiber and I don't want to be stuck with the modem/router combo they provide.
Pfsense really needs to update the community version, I think I will change to opnsense
Why?
They do and it's basically the same as plus.
I feel like they pull the plug for pfsense ce. Kinda make sense as it doesn’t give them much benefit. All open source kinda ends in the same way..
I upgraded to pfsense plus for free and it’s awesome
@@sirusvirtus5885 Lack of updates
5:35 I suspect the reason why theres less random-branded DDR5 memory is because theres just less DDR5 ics floating around in China to produce them affordably.
I hope they're going bring out some with the U300 Line. Then they would have enough pcie lanes for 10GBit connectivity. That would be insanely useful. The single P Core could also be tremendously useful for routing and stuff thats highly single threaded.
The G-Connector is GPIO -> General-purpose input/output -> uncommitted digital signal pin on an integrated circuit or electronic circuit (e.g. MCUs/MPUs) board which may be used as an input or output, or both, and is controllable by software
That is what I thought. You can see on the internal shots of that side that it is actually a little recessed button/ switch.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo It sounds like it’s a GPIO pin which is pre-populated with a switch for convenience.
With the added performance we need to see more units with SFP+ ports.. TWO 2.5 and TWO SFP+ would be great.. R86S refresh should be coming soon
YES!
Exactly! I'm just starting to look into these types of units to prepare for 10G fiber from my ISP at home and can't find anything small with 10G except for the R86s units, but they are a bit underpowered, I think... Am I overlooking something?
Same here this new unit would be perfect for power etc but they are finally laying in ftth where I am (after often was done a decade ago and idiots in charge put hell Canada in charge of oversight.. so the subcontractors that actually did the work was explicitly told NO ftth allowed.. only fiber to HELLs local substations for vdsl fukkers) anyhow.. it appears I will have to suffer eith a Hell canada "hub" aka sagemcom oem.. and best options are the older model 2000 or 3000.. and i need a small box like this only with a sfp+ input and out to act as router before standalone switch. So far i have found sfa that fits the bill and isnt $$$$$$$$$" anyone out there have any info???
I don't think the N series CPUs have the pcie lanes for that. They have 9 gen 3 lanes. A x550-da2 needs 4 lanes, the main SSD is going to be X4, each 2.5gbe needs a x1. So dual 10gbe + 2.5 + SSD is all your lanes. You could go down to a x1 for the ssds, and you could get dual 10gbe + dual 2.5 + dual SSD. I really wish there was a low cost N100 compute level but with 48+ lanes. Ideally it would support bifurcation and gen4.
@@Cynyr Even sata would be great.. Just don't like the soldered RAM or storage really as the ram would be nice to have an upgrade path on, same with storage or even replacement from wear over time from local logging.
I would love a 1U version of this that i can put at the tippy top of my enclosed rack (tip top so it can still be passive and 1U to give it more surface area for cooling in a hot enclosed rack), but i'd prefer the 8 core version, still super upset they're calling this 8 core Atom N305, an i3-N305, with the same CSP/MSRP as an i3-1215u/1315u
Why price it the same as a processor that is literally twice as performant, twice the GPU, close to 4X the PCIe bandwidth, twice the spec, and more than 15x the RAM support, once 64GB DDR5 SODIMMs become available, you can physically install up to 256GB on a 4 slot board where as the i3-N305 has the same 16GB firmware limit, doesnt matter if you stick in a 64GB dimm, it doesnt seem to work correctly with more than 16GB.
Agreed.
Many of the aliexpress sellers will offer a rackmount option if you message them. Usually gets a fan in that config but they also put an internal power supply on it. I have gotten Qotom to make me rackmount versions of their units for $50 to $100 upcharge. If you order a higher quantity they would also do custom logo printing.
The standard way to adapt this, last I saw, was a rack tray. The unit is a little taller than 1U but at the top of the rack that probably doesn't matter. If you actually need it to be 1U and passive, that's a new heatsink/case extrusion, which would be very niche and a big ask.
@@concinnus but i like my rails :(
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Please review the version with the Pentium Gold 8505 CPU since it has 1 P core + 4 E cores and offers 20 PCIe lanes compared to the 9 PCIe lanes of the N100/200/300 series
10:28 -- 3am before Computex? Yikes. Thank you for wearing the cape 👍. I am giving these CWWK Alder Lake N100/N305 firewall + possible NAS thingys another glance. Their 4x NVMe daughter board you showed in your other N305 video is a nifty "cheat code" (as Wendell might say).
Kindest regards, friends and neighbours.
I got this exact system with N100 cpu, 16GB memory and I placed a 250GB nvme drive in it. It handles my opnsense and home assistant workloads as VM’s withsome extra containers in proxmox and i never see the total cpu load get above 10%. I would 100% recommend this unit for typical homelab containers and a couple of VMs. I did place a 12CM fan on top powered by external usb port at 5volt. This has a huge impact on the cpu temps. Still mich better than a internal fan imho because I can replace it in 5 min with any 12cm fan and it’s super quiet.
If it is made by CWWK, then it is not USB 3.0 on the alderlake N models. It is USB 2.0. The reason is 9 PCIE lanes (x1 each for 4 x 2.5, x1 for wifi, x
4 for nvme). CWWK said that later they will have a converter board that converts one of the m.2 slot to USB 3.0.
There is another brand that looks very close to this one, that trades x2 nvme bandwidth to USB 3.0.
I was wondering if this is really USB 3.0 because for topton and cwwk they explicite mention 4 USB 2.0 ports for this chassis. There is a mini version in topton and WooYi that says it has 2 x USB 3.0
@@diegosps I have the N100 version running proxmox 8: the 2 back and 2 front ports seem to be connected to Bus 01 which is only usb 2. Bus 02 shows up as 1000 gbps but
is not connected :-(
# lsusb -t
/: Bus 02.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/4p, 10000M
/: Bus 01.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/12p, 480M
|__ Port 1: Dev 10, If 0, Class=Vendor Specific Class, Driver=usbfs, 12M
|__ Port 2: Dev 11, If 0, Class=Human Interface Device, Driver=usbfs, 12M
|__ Port 4: Dev 9, If 0, Class=Mass Storage, Driver=usbfs, 480M
|__ Port 7: Dev 5, If 0, Class=Mass Storage, Driver=usb-storage, 480M
PSA: a single stick of DDR5 is running at dual channel. Same as two stick of DDR4.
I think they include the crucial brand DDR5 is just because the no-brand one haven't catch up to DDR5 yet.
DDR5 modules do have two channels BUT they are effectively half width from DDR4. We have an entire video on DDR5 ua-cam.com/video/CG5ontMa8kw/v-deo.html
Do any of them support their devices with firmware updates yet? So far I've found these no-name brands to be fixed in time once you've purchased them, and that's always a bit disturbing with the number of random firmware and CPU vulnerabilities lately.
There have been some updates. We also have an awesome STH forum thread in the description with folks editing to get new features enabled. Still, not as many as the average gaming motherboard.
Would like to see network throughput performance testing on something like this.
Basically pointless. The N5105 can be a firewall for 6 ports. This only has four and is much faster
@@ServeTheHomeVideo What would be worth testing is pppoe performance, especially virtualised interfaces. I have been trying to get a proxmox virtualised low power server that could do 1gbs over pppoe, it is basically single threaded on freebsd (pfsense), don't want to passthru so more overhead. So far - 4305U passmark single threaded 1365 not quite fast enough if pfsense run virtualised. i3-1115g4 single passmark 2666, easily does it, can be throttled to 2.1Ghz and still is fine, but it get too hot. N100 passmark 1998, should be good enough and having just commissioned one - it is. Still fairly warm, but nothing like the i3 which actually got too hot to touch!
I really wish they would put these in a rack mount case off the bat, or offer the mounting shelf for two of them like palo alto does for their small firewalls (pa-820 etc) - would allow side by side mounting for running ha configs.
I still havn't got round to putting the mini firewall in place because i don't have a mounting option for it in the rack currently.
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A bit off topic. But I noiticed that the SSD is from Fangxiang using YMTC chips. Rarely seem them outside of China. Much of the recent price drop of NVME drives have been accredited to the rise of YMTC. Any chance that this drives/chips could be investigated? I'm current running 10 NVME drives on one of my severs. would also be intereseted in budget NVME storage server suggestions. platform, fs, raid, networking, etc.
I can see if Will who does our SSD reviews wants to take a look at one of these.
How can you fit 10 drives into one server? Do they all get x4 link? 🤔😊
I love these reviews. I started with the J4125 unit that you reccomend and ended up upgrading to the 58000U unit that you later reviewed. In retrospect the 5800U is overkill but it's been such a good unit.
over kill is always better :)
Does it support video hardware transcoding like Intel qsv does?
@@philippemiller4740 No idea. I'm using it for Proxmox and not NAS.
While I agree that the performance jump is better than the 5105 or 6005 it still does not match performance of 6th or 7th Gen i7. I have a Lenovo M720q Tiny with a 9700T CPU. With the 4 port I350 and 16 gig RAM it's cheaper than a N200 equipped machine.
That will also use a LOT more power. It is very competitive more with the 35W Core i5-6500T, but with a total system power that is less than half of what we saw with those systems. Good thing there are lots of options. We have 1-2 cool TinyMiniMicro builds coming. Deciding if we can get them both into a single video.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yep, this is exactly the benefit if you run it as a firewall appliance that isn't running full load all the time, low/partial load is where these cores will shine.
Personally hoping someone will make a dual SFP+ equipped one, just cause 2.5GBe quite isn't there in the datacenter used market and likely won't be.
The difference in power consumption makes it a bit of an irrelevant comparison for anyone seriously considering one of these. Beyond just cost of power these could be run off of a relatively tiny battery backup system or even offgrid alderlake also has in silicon fixes for security issues that earlier Intel chips don't for people who might be concerned about such things. Older second hand is almost always cheaper and going up a few skus in power will still perform better unsurprisingly.
My N100 just arrived yesterday. One thing to note - the power supplies don't seem to be genuine. Mine came with a "Delta" one but it weighs nothing and the logos are just wrong. I've ordered a genuine one to replace it as it'll be on 24/7.
Small remark for the performance comparison: You show in the graphs @07:30 that the N5105 has about 64-73% as much performance as the N100, but you say that the N100 is around 30% faster in single core performance, when it is in fact aorund 56% (1051/678=1.56) faster. Either that or you meant to say the N5105 is around 30% slower.
For the N200 it's even more, that one is, according to the graphs shown, roughly 70% (1145/672=1.70) faster than the N5105 instead of the mentioned 40-50%. Flipped around the slower than/faster than here as well. :)
We typically only show a portion of the workloads we actually run, but we try to consistently show the same bits. I do not want to tell folks 70% then they see 25-30% on most things and then they wonder what is going on. Better to set realistic expectations.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I figured it'd be something like that, just very unlucky that the numbers coincide to look just like the graphs were wrongly interpreted :D
@@ServeTheHomeVideo That makes sense. Perhaps disambiguate that in either the graph or the voiceover.
That's really cool. I hope they will release a 6x 2.5GbE or even a 6x 1GbE (I could easily live with that lol)
Enjoy the rest of your week 🔥🚀
This could be perfect for like NAS systems or media servers, too.
The N100 chip seems to be capable of 4k 10-bit AV-1 decoding. ASRock seems to be selling an Micro ATX form factor SOC with a full length PCIe 3.0 meaning SAS or SATA controller are actually viable. For just a little over €100€ in my case without the DDR4 stick - sadly - it seems like a good deal. Add in PSU, DDR4 and controller and you're more or less good to go.
For a pure media server, however, I'd say it's a bit too overpowered. I'm definitely interested too see what these chips are capable of!
Important thing to note is the full length PCIe in the asrock works at 2x speed so it's not really any better than the shorter PCIe in the ITX variant. (The shorter connector seems to have an open back so it should accept any PCIe cards)
So if you only want one addon card you could go with the itx model and external 19volt power brick.
Regarding the dual nvme slot I think there could be usage for a small NVMe mirror for ZFS with snapshots, you'd be able to change from pfsense to opnsense easily if you'd like to test both out. There is a new DRAMless SN580 btw it comes down to 250GB, well suited otherwise a Crucial P3 Plus is straight forward and also DRAMless for low thermals.
i would love to have one of these servers with a 10 gig sfp port or at least 10 gig ethernet port on these machines
The worst part of your videos are the "hold on let's back up" I'm sure that it was some meme that you did when you started becoming popular but it effectively makes people sit for two content introductions eitherside of an introduction.
You need to test those ports. I've heard about issues with drivers. They seem to work but won't perform well. Can you test ?
The i226-V in these is fine. We have close to 100 ports running 24x7 in labs.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo are you load testing them ?
I want the same, but with fully featured wifi subsystem (4-6 mountable antennas, etc). Wifi on this thing will suck :( So it's just a router, with pricey case (i think it take more than a half of the price).
For years I'm lazily looking for perfect home router, 4gb+ RAM, without OS bundled (it should just boot from SD, or USB stick if any plugged, the rest I'll do myself over SSH). One or two PoE ports would be great to have. CPU arch doesn't matter when you're Gentoo user, you know how to cross-compile Linux :)
I wish the sub-10W range was also covered by Ryzen. With how efficient they are in mini PCs at 15-30W, I think they would absolutely kill it in these fanless designs! My dream is having a fanless laptop with lots of cores.
Thank you SO MUCH for reviewing this Patrick! I now know exactly what I'll be getting to replace my ageing celeron proxmox box now. Thank you thank you thank you for yet another brilliant video!
The Aliexpress-listing says those are all USB2.0-ports, not 3.0. Can you confirm that they are actually USB3.0, like you claim here, or is the listing correct?
Do these guys come with coreboot Bios?
Years ago when I built my router I was hoping to get somethig like this, but I couldn't find anything good enough. Instead I got an Asrock Rack Mini-ITX board with dual onboard Intel NIC's, installed a Core i3-7100 and used a mini-box M350 case and a Pico-PSU to make my own.
I wonder how these new Alder Lake N100 and N200's compare to the i3-7100's OpenVPN performance.
When I want a better firewall and a VPN, will the N100 with 16gb and 128gb SD be enough?
N100 is pretty decent and 16GB is fine. Using just a SD card I would pass on and instead use a NVMe SSD these days. Logging on a firewall will often write too much to SD cards so a SSD is much better.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thanks
I have the china version with 6 x 2.5gbps ethernet port. Works stable for 4 x wan load balancing with zenarmor enabled. The CPU core widget temp is 50-70c
I'm needing to replace my wrt 3200 ACM Linksys router because I've tried two routers in the past week and they both reboot everything 30 minutes since last wednesday. My server logs have grown to 9 GB in just a week due to all the hacker bot traffic that's coming in. I need to find a solution that can replace the 3200. It needs to have network attached storage and Wi-Fi as well as hairpin Nat.
Who cares? Upgrades? CPU and GPU the rest is nonsense. Thumbs down.
They look good, My hope is one of the vendors someday add basic lights out management, so it's possible get to the device if your OS has an issue.
Many folks do not want that on firewalls since it is another security surface and OS. Adding a AST2600 probably adds around $25 and 5W of power consumption. That is a lot on this class of device
What was the performance like running OPNSense as a VM in proxmox? can it route 2.5Gbit internet traffic ok?
I'd love to have a dual 10GBASE-T option to pair with these $300 10G switches in the consumer market - right now I can drop $315 on one of these, but then I feel "stuck" on 2.5G for the future. I think I'll probably just hold out and hope one of these babies gets upgraded with enough PCIe lanes to get a 2x10GbE and 2x2.5GbE solution or something similar - 2 x 10GbE being my absolute minimum.
You push the “G” button to activate the Chinese government back door silly goose!!!! 🎉🎉🎉
The use for the other M.2 is if you want to have a small storage node and use it mostly as a switch or router not firewall. Having 4TB of free space isn't a lot but it is enough for some for network storage for their home shared storage. For less than most NASes just without the redundancy you would get with any NAS system would give you.
Thanks for the review. What I miss is, how the power consumption changes with more than 1 or with all network adapters working. I think this would be a more interesting real life use case for a router/firewall appliance.
It looks and sounds ok, but I don't trust the manufacturer...Is there any chance I can change the bios with Coreboot or something else compatible?
You show this one RIGHT EXACTLY AFTER I bought a N5105 unit... Great!
The N5105 is very good still. In the last year they went through 5 revisions after taking over from the J4125. Over 5 revisions they have gotten very good
Two M.2 makes sense for appliance as you can mirror the drives, or for active firmware/fallback.
Or running your NAS, Home assistant and router on one device (eventually all in their own VM's) instead of having a separate machine for every one of those.
Can it run Coreboot?
Does this unit include a TPM 2.0 ?
need to see a switch that can do 1g 2.5, 5 and 10g all in on switch. Most anything now days still uses 1g IE game consoles, tv's ect. Be nice to have a switch that can do any of those speeds. Because your just constantly just upgrading hardware if you can just upgrade once for a long long time.
We have you covered on that: ua-cam.com/video/brQUwucJLtg/v-deo.html
Stay tuned for more switch reviews. We have 3 reviews the team is already working on.
About the temperature difference. I have a similar unit and I got the same temperatures when I change in UEFI firmware (BIOS) CPU performance settings from Max battery to Turbo. You may check if this setting is the same on your N100 and N200 :)
Super! We have an awesome forum thread with these linked in the description where folks are doing stuff like that. I like to test these as they arrive since that is how 99% of people will use them
Also, in the future you can get these with a daughter/riser card kind of things to further expand its capabilities. Pretty psyched about the N305 version as it would replace my i5-8600 server.
the libvirt frontend for cockpit has gotten so good, we run Fedora on one of those and pass one of the NICs into OPNsence and make a bridge of the other 3 (with a virtual device connecting the bridge and OPNsense) - and we didn't have to touch the XML or even command line once to set it up.
Sweet! Good to know.
Hey Patrick.
Please message me when you can for more info on this....
My wife and I own an IT company and we use the second SSD to store cache which can be used for LAN Cache.
We configured it so we can use the bandwidth in our office while accelerating things like game downloads, windows updates, VMware node extensions, and more.
Please reach out so we can teach out how to do this.
Thanks!
Hi Samuel - sounds cool. If you want to e-mail me Patrick (at) servethehome
Patrick, can you use your considerable influence to ask about a box like this that contains one of the new Ryzen V3000 cpus that have dual 10gb nics built into the chip?
Or maybe something with the Atom P5721 with gen 3 QAT?
Both good options.
Any word on pfSense support for those i226V NIC's Is it good? You used to always buy Intel NIC's for this kind of stuff, but their 2.5Gbit chips have been iffy at best.
Iffy mostly in consumer desktops. We have well over 100 ports of the i225 B3/ i226 running at this point under linux in these smaller systems.
There is one more difference between N100 vs N200. N100 has 24 GPU units vs 32 on N200.
I am not sure to a lot of folks the GPU performance is going to be a major factor. In these, the GPU is often unused
Agree - if used for a firewall. May be useful for a Plex server and may negatively impact power consumption. And may make difference for those who want to use it as a low-power fanless desktop replacement. And thanks a ton for showing them! And waiting for a i3/10G version :D
Anyone know what kind of mainboard this has and where we would find the BIOS image files? I'm guessing CWWK.
Yes. See forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/cwwk-topton-nxxx-quad-nic-router.39685/
It looks like the N200 version was placed under the N100? At least, this is what the activity LED implies. If tests were performed in this configuration then that explains the 70 deg temperatures. Physically move the N100 before running the tests. Of course one might have positioned them together just for the video, in which case please to ignore this comment.
Tests were not in that stack. They were just like that to show on camera
These things are the reason why I never got excited about the ZimbaBoard
i have n5105 and would buy n305 version if they hadnt removed the sata connector. the power is still there, but no sata data. i use 2 wifi cards and a sata drive for os for a debian server/wifi router, and lack of sata disqualifies this.
Wait until our N305 review for this :-)
You find the G-spot..👍
"G" is clearly for indicating if this is installed in a Goggomobil.
Having dual NVME slots is pretty good for a RAID1 config for Proxmox and whatnot
Won't be too hot inside that case? May be with an add on fan...
Are the Ethernet ports switched or do they need to be bridged in opnsense?
You would need to bridge since they are not switched
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thanks.
How badly does bridging affect performance?
And why these devices come like this?
You can get a gold 8505 cpu instead. It is a lot more powerful and has 2 ddr4 slots. Bought one barebone with 32gb ram and cheap 240gb ssd total was 220gbp.
There are a bunch of these. We also did the Alder Lake one ua-cam.com/video/6rtRwKlJTgU/v-deo.html
What I would like to see in a review is whether a more potent APU (like AMD"s 4800U) that is under max load more power hungry is actually more energy efficient (or not) compared to these ultra lower power NXXX APU's when performing light tasks.
Without the added power; how else would one run Doom?
I really don't mean to be annoying, but just in case the designers of these machines are watching any of these comments, PLEASE GIVE US 10G base-t! - These mini computers make FANTASTIC homelab and small business border routers. but they are extremely limited by the 2.5g ethernet interfaces, particularly if you're like me and have the capability of 10g fiber and/or (a more likely scenario) if you're trying to use it to route vlans on a 10g network. OR, if you wanted to use this for something like a proxmox cluster, again the 2.5g network interfaces are very limiting for both external networking and backhaul. I suppose you *could* use LAGG to get aggregated 12gb/s but that also means using 4 ports on a 10g multigigabit switch and 10g switch ports are rather expensive to need 4 of them per unit... especially in the case of a proxmox cluster where you'd need at least 3 of them (for a total of up to 12 10g ethernet ports.
tl;dr: PLEASE give us 10g ports on these (preferably 10g base-t, but at lease 2 10g-base-t *capable* sfp+ ports) on these minipc's.
The challenge in these Alder Lake-N boxes is that there are minimal PCIe lanes. Even in this platform they are at the edge of what can be done.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Unless they're using a PLX switch (i'm not sure), each of those i226-v chips is using a pcie lane. you only need 2 pcie3 lanes (which are about 8gb/s) for 10g ethernet which means that a 2x 10g ethernet option should be possible. Further, there's that second m.2 slot exposed by the "h" board. m.2 is typically 4 pcie lanes as well which means theoretically you should be able to break that into 2 10g ports too. I may have to investigate that option.
2:30 We found the STH G-Sp.. Switch!
how many of these videos i've seen. seems you tubers upgrade every bloody 2 weeks
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Hi Patrick, You said the N100/N200 can support the 2.5Gb ports but can it support running many of the modules available for the PFsense firewall and a AT&T Fibre 1GB internet connection? For example one would want to run the Suricata Threat Detection module, the Unbound DNS Resolver with encrypted DNS, and the Geo Fencing Modules. Would it still have headroom for VPN connections and other services?
Personally, if I wanted to run that much, I would start thinking about the N305 version.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Actually according to Passmark the N100 has twice the performance of the Atom C3558 processor running on NetGate's 6100. So I'm thinking if they expect that to support two 10Gbe and four 2.5Gbe that the N100 should be sufficient to run Suricata, Unbound, PfBlocker and even a VPN.
I recently picked up one of the N100 units and populated with 2 NVMe SSD and 16GB RAM. It is running XCP-NG with the 2 SSDs in a RAID 1 configuration. It seems to work very well. I may be dense, but I could not find an option in the AMI BIOS for auto power on after power failure. Could someone tell me where to find it?
I'm replying to my own comment in case someone else runs into the same issue. For my slightly newer motherboard that has 2 x USB 3 ports and AMI BIOS, got to the "Chipset" page, then open the "PCH-IO" section and select the "State after G3" option
would this work with openwrt so I can make use of full traffic shaping with cake sqm?
These devices are usually used with OpenWRT in China IIRC.
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The "G" apparently has something to do with GPIO
with a m.2 6 port sata adapter is great for unraid!!!
The second SSD slot could potentially be used for a Coral AI accelerator. I think these type of accelerator chips will become more popular.
Or grab the Coral that goes into the WiFi slot.
@@jandorniak6473 Or get an E-Key to M key adapter board.
What would be the use case in this form factor?
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il problema che l'attacco secondario è sata non NVME.
May we assume the units were not stacked during the CPU stress test and temperature measurement?
There is a note on screen in that section. Yes. We are just using that configuration for the power consumption. The actual load and benchmarks were done in a 22.5C room on a table.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Ok, thanks. I must have missed that notice.
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Does it support NIC Passtrough in Proxmox?
Unable to buy here at India.
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That is wise.
When you talk about performance, I would really like to see som iperf and real-world throughput tests. Maybe a standard baseline opnsense config and throw some packets at it?
The N5105 pushes 2.5Gbps wire speeds over NAT in iperf3 across two pairs of ports (so 2x 2.5GbE NAT on the same box). I am not sure how useful that is to show for even faster CPUs.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo The interesting thing is when you throw in VPNs and IDS. That will likely hit either the crypto accelerator in the CPU, if the CPU has one, or will directly hit the normal CPU.
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Local ISP now offers 3Gig service with a 10Gig port on the ONT. Need to see units with 10/5/2.5/1 gig ports or multiple sfp+ ports asap. Usually the best option is a supermicro or Asrock rack Xeon-D since they often get 10Gig ports.
Need much the same as are finally doingnftth drops here with 8gb avail.. but need a box much like the one in the vid only with min 2 stp+ for IO (3 is better in case one dies)
Oh and asrock is bottom of the barrel after decades in IT and doing a ton of review and test work Asrock has been blacklisted by us and quite a few others due to their beyond shit CS..
Ok, I am looking at putting in a micro PC like this in my network cabinet. I need it to run a firewall/modem so I can't get rid of my base unit, home assistant, Adguard/pihole/something along those lines, and unify controller. Is this powerful enough to run all that or should I look at something a touch bigger?
Yes. If you are worried, we are going to have the i3-N305 version review soon. It just arrived yesterday after the video was uploaded.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo that's good!!! I don't want to rerun my network in this house, but my next option was jumping to a 2u server And placing that in my garage and running my plex server from that as well.
Thank you for running an amazing channel
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I bought the i7 12gen, 6 x 2.5gbps version. Now my internet operate faster compared to Asus AX router when dealing with SQM/cake (Openwrt).