Wow! In your other video, I’m asking about the noise at different watts, and here you have a video showing the exact watts in real time! Incredible videos man. Cheers from southern Alberta!
@@HighVoltageKits figured you were in the UK! We’ve got tons of Brit’s down here around the Suffieldmilitary base. All the best, keep it up with your A+ videos. Subscribed!
Thanks for the education. I'm on my fourth bafang motor. Third motor had the red wire smashed into the wire cavity it eventually shorted my controler out, kind of disappointed in their quality. Really like your builds.
Great info! Nice video, thanx. Your the only video I've seen where you put the motor in front triangle. Once I get my CYC GEN3 I'm going to do the same, ft.triangle. @72v. So when you start to use yours with the bac2000 controller @72v I'd love to see how it preforms. My best mate has the gen1 but hasn't road it cuz of controller issues. He's very frustrated with it. It's been the 2nd or 3rd issue he had since he bought it. Me, idc, I'm still getting one Once I save up enough. I'm currently building a battery box in front triangle out of wood, in shape of a motorcycle. The frame is an old-school litespeed titanium hardtail. I'll send you a link when I'm finished. Anyways, Captain, thanx again. This really helps with the troubleshooting building a DIY E-Bike!! Cheers and keep on keepin on!
The frame sounds amazing. You are welcome on our discord server to post photos if you like. In the end with my gen 1 I used a BAC800 and replaced the stock controller. No PAS tho. I think he might be able to use the new Gen3 controller but there would be no PAS.
@@HighVoltageKits Yeh. He's on his 3rd controller. Once he gets back from the Maldives with his Doctor wife, lucky duck, we are going to tackle it together. 2 eyes on a problem is wise, and it's his first attempt at e-bike. And yes we would love to post both bikes when done at said place you mentioned above. 🍻 Cheers
Distinctly English accent, but US roads, come on then spill the beans... Where in the US have you moved too? Been watching your vids for the last month since coming across the channel in a recommended video. Currently looking to go from a carbon Canyon Endurance on 28mm tyres under my beastly 200 watts of pedal power to a 2000w bike to and from a 10 mile trek to work. Thanks for the effort you out into your content. I can see it all, from the filming to editing to overlays and commentary. The viewers on youtube sometimes do not get a grasp of the time it takes on top of the actual activity itself to film, edit and upload the activity. Thumbs up from the 🇬🇧
@@HighVoltageKits Thanks for the response! Man I love the Canadian "Way Of Life If you Like" completely diff to US. Swerving politics and jealousy aside, you (I assume) are you swimming more to the DIY as opposed to shop built e-bike side... Have you tried then 2000w rear hub motor side? Is it better?! If not in your opinion why? I'm about to get a front/rear small suspension battery in built bike from cyklone e-bike in Warsaw so sticking my nose and voice everrrryyywhere.. Love your channel and effort just wonder where the best implementation of $2000/£2500 stands today to do 35 mph
My Gen 2 which I have mounted on a Polygon D6 2020 with a 72v backpack battery has an excellent throttle and I cruise at 40 mph with the 11/53 chainring option and the torque sensing and cadence sensing together make PAS AWESOME!!!
That's what I was looking for! Thanks for the feedback! Cheers. Oh if you wanted you could post a few pictures on the discord channel. Be good to get some good cyc builds on there.
The Gen2 with the Bac855 seems to be running flawlessly for me. Once set up I’ve had literally zero issues..everything is working perfectly. The torque sensor works great right out of the box.. there is very little lag. It’s never cutout ever. It’s very smooth and enjoyable. It has amazing power on 20s. So far I’m very pleased. Also CYC has excellent customer support
Thanks for all the great info. I’m ordering my CYC X-1 Pro and will probably use the BAC855 controller but I kind of want to uncork the motor with the BAC2000. If I do I’m planning on using the “no rewire needed” mount you developed on the front of the bikes down tube. I’m using a 2013 Kona Operator as my donor bike. I don’t really care about top speed but want the bike to hit at the low end.
awesome content and great value in the information you provided. I ordered my CYC pro X1 Gen 2 a few days ago with upgraded controller to bac 2000. i emailed CYC 2 times asking if my 72v 20ah 60amp bms would work with my order but have not heard any response from CYC. you have answered my question here. thank you.
You mention the 72v battery will make the motor run at higher RPMs, making is “scream”. Is the inverse true as well? CYC sells the x-36, a 36v8ah battery (Samsung 40t 21700 cells, 2p10s). Would it run at lower RPMs, an thus less noise?
Yes. 36 volts would be quite a bit quite as it will not reach the high rpms. Volts ultimately governs the max rpm of a DC motor everything else being equal
Another New Yorker here... Waiting for my X1 Gen2 with BAC 800. Would be nice if they upgrade to the 855 before shipping. I am also waiting on a custom 72V Lite Speed battery pack as well!
I would get on the messenger channel to cyc and insist they send you the 855. It should be no trouble if your order has not been shipped. The improvements are particularly relevant to the X1 motor.
@@HighVoltageKits One step ahead of you; had already emailed my contact at CYC inquiring about it. Chris at Lite Speed Bikes has been very helpful with battery selection...
I’ve been waiting for my motor since April and CYC just emailed earlier to say they will send the 855 with the motor, once they get the controllers in the 2nd week of June.
Is there an ASI/BAC (or other) controller solution for a BBSHD 52V equipped Mtn bike that has a little less performance and a little lower price. I would like to find something that will give me smoother acceleration and more responsive throttle like your builds have but scaled down some. Thank you for another great video.
Hey. Sorry for late reply. The only thing is to try and get hold of one of Lunas v1 "ludicrous" which is 50 amps. It's not at the same level as the ASI in terms of a smooth throttle as it is a modified stock controller. There are other controllers cheaper but that is the only other plug and play. Luna have a v2 that the refuse to sell unless you buy one of their bikes etc. Our stuff is a bit more at almost 700USD delivered. But you do get very good support for the kit and anything else ebike wise. You are welcome to join the discord channel via the link in the description and see what others have done. Hope this helps. Cheers
Slick video man...like Irwin for ebikes! So, could you recommend a controller/ battery setup for my super73 RX frame? I’d like it snappy of the line and high RPMs like with a 72V as I only have one gear (wont be using top end much). steep hill climbs are a must...dont really need a long range battery just one that fits. ALSO, those were great “fabrications” for our wires and controller...wish the kits would provide those (have you seen accessories?) Cheers RIDER!
I'm not super familiar with the bike you have. This is the channel discord tho discord.gg/EvePg8U4 you can post pics etc and we can take a look! Cheers
Yeah I have cutouts. I generally back off the power to shift. Bumps is pretty common I think. It's called a phase overcurrent fault. I manage it but I never managed to eliminate it 100%
Hi capt. Were you running the BAC800 with the cyc motor on hall start, sensorless run mode? If so I don’t see why it would cut out at high rpm for hall sensor issue. Did you get a fault message in BackDoor? Nice video and thanks for all the good info. I look forward to your videos. Used to be only for ERT NXT release info but you provide much more usable info then just that. Cheers!
Yes it is set to that. I have tried to get the issue. I have had it cut out a bit shifting gear under load but I think that is something else. The motor I have on is restricted somewhat on CYC's recommendations. Apparently if the rotor has a jacket it can hit the stator at high RPMs. I have the other style to try but I am loathe to pull it off the bike right now.
I have a recumbent bike with a BBSHD and a 52v 13.5a battery. I am interested in replacing the controller and can go to a Luna Bafang internal replacement with 30 a for $100.00, a Cal e bike replacement that is 30a for $140.00 or an external BAC 800. I would like to stick with an internal replacement unless there is a good reason to go to the BAC 800 and mount it on the tube. Do you think that the BAC 800 performance would justify this type of a modification, or would I be as happy with an internal replacement?
I am pretty sure both of the first replacements are just rebranding of stock bafang controllers. As to whether the ASI is something you would want is more difficult. It's a much more advanced in terms of throttle control and power. I have a ton of ride footage from my setup at 30 amps right up to 50. I'd have a look and see if the increased speed and power is something you would use.
I noticed there aren't any links in the description for the batteries, which LiPo battery did you find worked well for you? I'm also in Canada and am looking at building a similar set up spec'd for mostly urban commuting. I 100% agree with the idea that we need much more efficient transportation options, especially ones that are more fun like this. How much money did you put into this set up without including the actual bicycle? Cheers!
Glad you like it. It's definitely shook up the DIY sector and I am impressed with how dedicated they have been to improve their product and introduce new ones. Cheers!
Yeah. Well there is the Nukular 12fet if you can get one. There is a more powerful 24fet but might be overkill for this motor. Beyond that there is SiliconX which I know little about but is a FOC controller. There are various ESCs out there They probably would run a cyc well as they are designed for running tiny motors like on long boards. The ASI is not and never will be optimal for the X1 motor. It's not awesome with small size RC style motors. Hope this helps!
@@HighVoltageKits how many amps,volts and watts can the 24fet controller run at and can the motor handle it and I want to say I love your Chanel it’s awesome and I really appreciate you’re happy since I’m asking around because I’m trying to get the most powerful mid drive motor for my sort of motorcycle
The 24fet would destroy it if you asked it. The 12fet is very good. It needs a strong drive train. Niels Baardseth on the Facebook group is work searching his posts as he made arguably the most powerful offroad bike with a custom 3 spd drive train and the 12fet.
Thanks for this detailed info. I mainly ride for exercise in the country side but need to ride on roads to get to the trails. Not sure if the noise might be too annoying though? My current ebike is a 1000w rear hub drive and very quiet unless I stress it and then it makes a funny screeching noise lol.
@@HighVoltageKits I think I need to hear it myself to judge if I would find it acceptable? I enjoy the peace and quiet of cycling but the rear hub drive is very acceptable ..
Thats a good point Nigel. Maybe see on the cyc Facebook group if there is anyone in Sheffield with one you could hear? I am going to attempt to get a db reader here and take some readings.
@@HighVoltageKits Yes... got the 20s5p configuration with the Samsung 40T 21700 batteries. Also the new bottom bracket is coming in tomorrow (should have taken the bike apart first to see!) The X1 Pro shipped with the BAC 855 so I'm pleased with that,.
For the limits of a normal bike frame you can extract similar performance from both motors as you can run them both up to 3.5kw with the right setup. But that is with an external controller on the BBSHD and modifications. The CYC will deliver up to 6kw with the BAC2000 option but you would need the right frame and drive train. They are a different design though so in the real world you can expect to get more speed from the CYC but potentially a more punchy ride with the BBSHD as it uses large amounts of field weakening with its IPM rotor. There are alot of variables so its not the easiest question to answer lol. Hope this helps!
@@HighVoltageKits thanks for the clarification. I am using phaserunner so naturally I will use and external controller for any motor. My batteries are lipo 18S 16ah (3 6s in series), My motor is a Bionx converted to external controller and where I live in a flat city. My top speed is about 65kph in a full Suspension frame, range about 25km. My main goal with mid drive would be save weight and get more acceleration but with my setup I am not sure if that would be an upgrade or a side move powerwise ... I am considering the BBSHD because is much cheaper and more spare parts available. What do you think? With my set up, Move to a mid drive makes sense?
I would start by searching endless sphere for your frame and see if anyone else has used it with the bbshd. The restriction with that is the gap on the motor around the bottom bracket. CYC have a great Facebook group you can join and post your frame for advice as well. The phase runner will work the bbshd for sure. Not sure about the CYC?
@@HighVoltageKits Thanks for taking the time to answer me. Yep, I am a member of Endless sphere for many years already. So far you are the only person I know of which have used BBSHD and the Cyclone with the same External controller and the same batteries. So trust in your opinion because you can make a direct comparison between them with fewer variables. I am not worried about my frame, for sure it will fit no problem :) Which one would you choose to ride as a daily driver if battery current (Lipos) and price of the motor is not an issue? BBSHD or Cyclone? Thanks
I can tell that you put a lot of time and effort into your videos!! I always envy good content because I really wish I could learn how to make good content for my channel but it's not easy for me. I know nothing about using action cameras let alone uploading videos to UA-cam. It's all a learning process, but you have to start somewhere right? Sorry, went off on a tangent. Keep up the great work!! Aaron
You can. The motor has and RPM range of 12,000 at 72 volts. You will need to be careful which gear the single one is. Likely a 28t will suffice. My feeling is that the CYC works best with a few gears if you want a high top speed. I can get to about 60kph with a 28t tho. I would do plenty of research first. You are welcome on the channel discord if ypu want to talk to other CYC users etc. discord.gg/GQBDpC7G Cheers
I get my batteries built by Bicycle Motor Works, not many know of him as he does mostly 80 cc gas bikes. But he builds this nicest and most powerful packs at the best pricing. You just email him tell him what you need and how much from you have to work with and he will build you a powerful pack. My 72v 24ah he built can run 180a continuous. He also has some premade options like this bicyclemotorworks.com/product/52v-16ah-samsung-40t-high-output-lithium-ion-e-bike-battery/ That will definitely work for your setup. He also doesn't charge an arm and a leg for the USA made batteries like some other companies I seen do. Check hem out his name is Mathew and he will work with you for the perfect battery and his after-sale support is always there he will never disappear on you and continue to help you. Other than that it's been a privilege watching you build this bike to where it's at now and it seems to be plenty of power to get to work and back. I went after some serious torque with my build which is why I didn't go high voltage and more towards higher amps. Even though its a hub motor, I have yet had a car beat me off the line at a stoplight. I'll be posting videos of it soon. working on a custom aluminum battery box. then powder coating once is done I will post videos of it. The bike is a custom-built Ruff Cycles Tango. You would like it. The TREX freaked me and my dog out lol
@@HighVoltageKits how do you set it on the controller. Just curious. I'm ordering this kit tomorrow. 😊 As you are I'm also putting it on a hardtail steel frame.
Good point. If it is the stock controller then you would set them via the phone app. If you go with the BAC then they should be set already by CYC. They ought to be set already. I am not 100% sure how they are going about updating or setting the BAC firmware. You can message CYC direct via messenger and they will probably send you the manual if you are putting an order in. It is likely also available to download from the website.
Wow! In your other video, I’m asking about the noise at different watts, and here you have a video showing the exact watts in real time! Incredible videos man. Cheers from southern Alberta!
Thanks mate. Used to live in Cold Lake for five years!
@@HighVoltageKits figured you were in the UK! We’ve got tons of Brit’s down here around the Suffieldmilitary base. All the best, keep it up with your A+ videos. Subscribed!
This was my favourite video you have done yet. Very informative really enjoyed it!
Thanks! I had fun with this one for sure.
that poor yellow pick up didn't know what was waiting for him that day haha laughed out loud when the drones came out :D
Yeah! Me and the kid were having fun with that!
Thanks for the education.
I'm on my fourth bafang motor. Third motor had the red wire smashed into the wire cavity it eventually shorted my controler out, kind of disappointed in their quality. Really like your builds.
Wow! Is that a record. I thought they were hard to kill! Cheers
Great info! Nice video, thanx. Your the only video I've seen where you put the motor in front triangle. Once I get my CYC GEN3 I'm going to do the same, ft.triangle. @72v. So when you start to use yours with the bac2000 controller @72v I'd love to see how it preforms. My best mate has the gen1 but hasn't road it cuz of controller issues. He's very frustrated with it. It's been the 2nd or 3rd issue he had since he bought it. Me, idc, I'm still getting one Once I save up enough. I'm currently building a battery box in front triangle out of wood, in shape of a motorcycle. The frame is an old-school litespeed titanium hardtail. I'll send you a link when I'm finished. Anyways, Captain, thanx again. This really helps with the troubleshooting building a DIY E-Bike!! Cheers and keep on keepin on!
The frame sounds amazing. You are welcome on our discord server to post photos if you like. In the end with my gen 1 I used a BAC800 and replaced the stock controller. No PAS tho. I think he might be able to use the new Gen3 controller but there would be no PAS.
@@HighVoltageKits Yeh. He's on his 3rd controller. Once he gets back from the Maldives with his Doctor wife, lucky duck, we are going to tackle it together. 2 eyes on a problem is wise, and it's his first attempt at e-bike. And yes we would love to post both bikes when done at said place you mentioned above. 🍻
Cheers
Distinctly English accent, but US roads, come on then spill the beans...
Where in the US have you moved too?
Been watching your vids for the last month since coming across the channel in a recommended video.
Currently looking to go from a carbon Canyon Endurance on 28mm tyres under my beastly 200 watts of pedal power to a 2000w bike to and from a 10 mile trek to work.
Thanks for the effort you out into your content. I can see it all, from the filming to editing to overlays and commentary.
The viewers on youtube sometimes do not get a grasp of the time it takes on top of the actual activity itself to film, edit and upload the activity.
Thumbs up from the 🇬🇧
Thanks! I'm actually in BC, Canada. Have been over this way about ten years now. Your bike idea sounds great. Cheers!
@@HighVoltageKits Thanks for the response!
Man I love the Canadian "Way Of Life If you Like" completely diff to US.
Swerving politics and jealousy aside, you (I assume) are you swimming more to the DIY as opposed to shop built e-bike side...
Have you tried then 2000w rear hub motor side? Is it better?! If not in your opinion why?
I'm about to get a front/rear small suspension battery in built bike from cyklone e-bike in Warsaw so sticking my nose and voice everrrryyywhere..
Love your channel and effort just wonder where the best implementation of $2000/£2500 stands today to do 35 mph
A good question. Would that include the bike or is that the budget to convert a bike?
@@HighVoltageKits a full bike....
It’s canada
My Gen 2 which I have mounted on a Polygon D6 2020 with a 72v backpack battery has an excellent throttle and I cruise at 40 mph with the 11/53 chainring option and the torque sensing and cadence sensing together make PAS AWESOME!!!
That's what I was looking for! Thanks for the feedback! Cheers. Oh if you wanted you could post a few pictures on the discord channel. Be good to get some good cyc builds on there.
The Gen2 with the Bac855 seems to be running flawlessly for me.
Once set up I’ve had literally zero issues..everything is working perfectly.
The torque sensor works great right out of the box.. there is very little lag.
It’s never cutout ever. It’s very smooth and enjoyable.
It has amazing power on 20s.
So far I’m very pleased.
Also CYC has excellent customer support
Great news David. Thanks for posting an update! Cheers
Cool! so, what controller, battery and frame setup did you use...if you dont mind sharing
@@Jethr001
I have a Giant Stance 29er.
BAC855 controller.
I use 5, 4s lipos in series for 72 volts..
I’m very happy so far.
Thanks for all the great info. I’m ordering my CYC X-1 Pro and will probably use the BAC855 controller but I kind of want to uncork the motor with the BAC2000. If I do I’m planning on using the “no rewire needed” mount you developed on the front of the bikes down tube.
I’m using a 2013 Kona Operator as my donor bike. I don’t really care about top speed but want the bike to hit at the low end.
Sounds great. I'll be ready here if you need. Look forward to seeing the bike when you are done!
awesome content and great value in the information you provided. I ordered my CYC pro X1 Gen 2 a few days ago with upgraded controller to bac 2000. i emailed CYC 2 times asking if my 72v 20ah 60amp bms would work with my order but have not heard any response from CYC. you have answered my question here. thank you.
Thanks 60 amps at 72 volts should be okay. It's going to be close. It depends a little on how much you push through the BAC2000.
You mention the 72v battery will make the motor run at higher RPMs, making is “scream”. Is the inverse true as well? CYC sells the x-36, a 36v8ah battery (Samsung 40t 21700 cells, 2p10s). Would it run at lower RPMs, an thus less noise?
Yes. 36 volts would be quite a bit quite as it will not reach the high rpms. Volts ultimately governs the max rpm of a DC motor everything else being equal
Excellent information again and that drone scene was awesome. Cheers.
Thanks! Having fun with Premier Pro
You do nice work
Thanks Rick! 😊
Another New Yorker here... Waiting for my X1 Gen2 with BAC 800. Would be nice if they upgrade to the 855 before shipping. I am also waiting on a custom 72V Lite Speed battery pack as well!
I would get on the messenger channel to cyc and insist they send you the 855. It should be no trouble if your order has not been shipped. The improvements are particularly relevant to the X1 motor.
@@HighVoltageKits One step ahead of you; had already emailed my contact at CYC inquiring about it. Chris at Lite Speed Bikes has been very helpful with battery selection...
I’ve been waiting for my motor since April and CYC just emailed earlier to say they will send the 855 with the motor, once they get the controllers in the 2nd week of June.
@@kieronlake965 That sounds great!
Confirmed that the BAC855 will be with the kits when they ship out week 2 of June!
So much useful information - Thanks Captain!
Thanks Mark!
Is there an ASI/BAC (or other) controller solution for a BBSHD 52V equipped Mtn bike that has a little less performance and a little lower price. I would like to find something that will give me smoother acceleration and more responsive throttle like your builds have but scaled down some. Thank you for another great video.
Hey. Sorry for late reply. The only thing is to try and get hold of one of Lunas v1 "ludicrous" which is 50 amps. It's not at the same level as the ASI in terms of a smooth throttle as it is a modified stock controller. There are other controllers cheaper but that is the only other plug and play. Luna have a v2 that the refuse to sell unless you buy one of their bikes etc. Our stuff is a bit more at almost 700USD delivered. But you do get very good support for the kit and anything else ebike wise. You are welcome to join the discord channel via the link in the description and see what others have done. Hope this helps. Cheers
Slick video man...like Irwin for ebikes! So, could you recommend a controller/ battery setup for my super73 RX frame? I’d like it snappy of the line and high RPMs like with a 72V as I only have one gear (wont be using top end much). steep hill climbs are a must...dont really need a long range battery just one that fits. ALSO, those were great “fabrications” for our wires and controller...wish the kits would provide those (have you seen accessories?) Cheers RIDER!
I'm not super familiar with the bike you have. This is the channel discord tho discord.gg/EvePg8U4 you can post pics etc and we can take a look! Cheers
Hello! Have you ever had issues with shifting when you are on the throttle?
Do you have to cut power over bumps or when you shift?
Yeah I have cutouts. I generally back off the power to shift. Bumps is pretty common I think. It's called a phase overcurrent fault. I manage it but I never managed to eliminate it 100%
How smooth and normal feeling is the torque sensor? How are the motor temperatures doing? I've been thinking on this vs. quality hub motor.
Its way better than the on off magnet style. Which hub are you looking at?
@@HighVoltageKits Thanks for the reply! Im looking to build a hardtail for adventure/light off-road use. Mxus 3K Turbo vs CYC Pro/Stealth.
Sounds awesome 👌
Hi capt. Were you running the BAC800 with the cyc motor on hall start, sensorless run mode? If so I don’t see why it would cut out at high rpm for hall sensor issue. Did you get a fault message in BackDoor? Nice video and thanks for all the good info. I look forward to your videos. Used to be only for ERT NXT release info but you provide much more usable info then just that. Cheers!
Yes it is set to that. I have tried to get the issue. I have had it cut out a bit shifting gear under load but I think that is something else. The motor I have on is restricted somewhat on CYC's recommendations. Apparently if the rotor has a jacket it can hit the stator at high RPMs. I have the other style to try but I am loathe to pull it off the bike right now.
Whats the legal status on a motor that powerful in Canada?
It's not legal at full power. You would have to restrict it if you wanted to comply. Cheers
"don't ask don't tell"
Yeah. Ride with courtesy and no one notices or cares. So far....
I have a recumbent bike with a BBSHD and a 52v 13.5a battery. I am interested in replacing the controller and can go to a Luna Bafang internal replacement with 30 a for $100.00, a Cal e bike replacement that is 30a for $140.00 or an external BAC 800. I would like to stick with an internal replacement unless there is a good reason to go to the BAC 800 and mount it on the tube. Do you think that the BAC 800 performance would justify this type of a modification, or would I be as happy with an internal replacement?
I am pretty sure both of the first replacements are just rebranding of stock bafang controllers. As to whether the ASI is something you would want is more difficult. It's a much more advanced in terms of throttle control and power. I have a ton of ride footage from my setup at 30 amps right up to 50. I'd have a look and see if the increased speed and power is something you would use.
I noticed there aren't any links in the description for the batteries, which LiPo battery did you find worked well for you? I'm also in Canada and am looking at building a similar set up spec'd for mostly urban commuting. I 100% agree with the idea that we need much more efficient transportation options, especially ones that are more fun like this. How much money did you put into this set up without including the actual bicycle?
Cheers!
I got my lipo from hobby King. My packs are way overspec with the Graphene. Look for 25c packs
Sorry missed the last part. Probably about 5k all in.
@@HighVoltageKits Thanks for the info! Looking forward to seeing your high power offroad build, good luck with it.
You are very welcome 😊
Thanks from new york usa
You're welcome. Cheers
Best mid drive system ever
Glad you like it. It's definitely shook up the DIY sector and I am impressed with how dedicated they have been to improve their product and introduce new ones. Cheers!
@@HighVoltageKits do you know if there’s a more powerful controller out there for this motor Luther than the ones you mentioned in this video
Yeah. Well there is the Nukular 12fet if you can get one. There is a more powerful 24fet but might be overkill for this motor. Beyond that there is SiliconX which I know little about but is a FOC controller. There are various ESCs out there They probably would run a cyc well as they are designed for running tiny motors like on long boards. The ASI is not and never will be optimal for the X1 motor. It's not awesome with small size RC style motors. Hope this helps!
@@HighVoltageKits how many amps,volts and watts can the 24fet controller run at and can the motor handle it and I want to say I love your Chanel it’s awesome and I really appreciate you’re happy since I’m asking around because I’m trying to get the most powerful mid drive motor for my sort of motorcycle
The 24fet would destroy it if you asked it. The 12fet is very good. It needs a strong drive train. Niels Baardseth on the Facebook group is work searching his posts as he made arguably the most powerful offroad bike with a custom 3 spd drive train and the 12fet.
Thanks for this detailed info.
I mainly ride for exercise in the country side but need to ride on roads to get to the trails.
Not sure if the noise might be too annoying though?
My current ebike is a 1000w rear hub drive and very quiet unless I stress it and then it makes a funny screeching noise lol.
Its not quiet but its also not as loud as people think.
@@HighVoltageKits I think I need to hear it myself to judge if I would find it acceptable? I enjoy the peace and quiet of cycling but the rear hub drive is very acceptable ..
Thats a good point Nigel. Maybe see on the cyc Facebook group if there is anyone in Sheffield with one you could hear? I am going to attempt to get a db reader here and take some readings.
So got the news that my 72V 20Ah battery is coming soon. Have the X1 Pro almost installed... Looking forward to my first e-ride this weekend!
Sounds awesome. From litespeedbikes? I have one on the way also soon although no shipping yet
@@HighVoltageKits Yes... got the 20s5p configuration with the Samsung 40T 21700 batteries. Also the new bottom bracket is coming in tomorrow (should have taken the bike apart first to see!) The X1 Pro shipped with the BAC 855 so I'm pleased with that,.
Cool! I'm on the VT6 with the 7p which works out to about the same capacity roughly
@@HighVoltageKits Nice can't wait to see your test and review...
Will you be upgrading your bike to the BAC 855? I hear of new features, but can't find any documentation whatsoever what these new features are...
So as of now, the nxt display doesn’t work with the gen 2 X1 yet?
It runs the motor fine. But until Alan has the PAS sensor he cant get it running and configurable. That's why I posted one! Cheers
You cruel bastard! pulling away from some poor schmuck when they are struggling up that 9% gradient!
Made me laugh though!
Keep up the good work!
Legs... who needs em....lol. Cheers
I’ll let you know about gen 2 controller, but don’t have anything to compare it to😂as this is my first build👍🏴🏴🏴
Thanks! That would be good!
Are your website prices in Canadian currency?🤙🏾
Hi, it's in USD. I usually spend any income on bike parts so it saves me the exchange!
About performance at the same voltage, How does this motor compare with BBSHD using this same controller?
For the limits of a normal bike frame you can extract similar performance from both motors as you can run them both up to 3.5kw with the right setup. But that is with an external controller on the BBSHD and modifications. The CYC will deliver up to 6kw with the BAC2000 option but you would need the right frame and drive train. They are a different design though so in the real world you can expect to get more speed from the CYC but potentially a more punchy ride with the BBSHD as it uses large amounts of field weakening with its IPM rotor. There are alot of variables so its not the easiest question to answer lol. Hope this helps!
@@HighVoltageKits thanks for the clarification. I am using phaserunner so naturally I will use and external controller for any motor. My batteries are lipo 18S 16ah (3 6s in series), My motor is a Bionx converted to external controller and where I live in a flat city. My top speed is about 65kph in a full Suspension frame, range about 25km. My main goal with mid drive would be save weight and get more acceleration but with my setup I am not sure if that would be an upgrade or a side move powerwise ... I am considering the BBSHD because is much cheaper and more spare parts available. What do you think? With my set up, Move to a mid drive makes sense?
I would start by searching endless sphere for your frame and see if anyone else has used it with the bbshd. The restriction with that is the gap on the motor around the bottom bracket. CYC have a great Facebook group you can join and post your frame for advice as well. The phase runner will work the bbshd for sure. Not sure about the CYC?
@@HighVoltageKits Thanks for taking the time to answer me.
Yep, I am a member of Endless sphere for many years already.
So far you are the only person I know of which have used BBSHD and the Cyclone with the same External controller and the same batteries.
So trust in your opinion because you can make a direct comparison between them with fewer variables. I am not worried about my frame, for sure it will fit no problem :)
Which one would you choose to ride as a daily driver if battery current (Lipos) and price of the motor is not an issue? BBSHD or Cyclone?
Thanks
I have not used the Cyclone. I looked at it but it looked a real sod to use. I'd go with bbshd other the Cyclone.
I can tell that you put a lot of time and effort into your videos!! I always envy good content because I really wish I could learn how to make good content for my channel but it's not easy for me. I know nothing about using action cameras let alone uploading videos to UA-cam. It's all a learning process, but you have to start somewhere right? Sorry, went off on a tangent. Keep up the great work!!
Aaron
Thanks Aaron. There are some pretty good tutorials for doing most things. Good luck with your channel 👍 😀
Hahaha great vid mate. What effects are you using?
Thanks! It's Race render mostly along with some photoshop work with transparency.
can you tell me where i can get that bag on your top tube?
It was west coast electric bikes..Its not made anymore tho sadly.
How long did it take for delivery once your order was placed ??
About a month.
Hi captain , I intend to install my cyc on a on one 29er carbon .
Should be interesting! It should fly!
Would you recommend using this system on a single speed mtb?
You can. The motor has and RPM range of 12,000 at 72 volts. You will need to be careful which gear the single one is. Likely a 28t will suffice. My feeling is that the CYC works best with a few gears if you want a high top speed. I can get to about 60kph with a 28t tho. I would do plenty of research first. You are welcome on the channel discord if ypu want to talk to other CYC users etc. discord.gg/GQBDpC7G Cheers
why would someone buy the 52 volt version when thhe 72 volt version takes 52 volts?
I'm not sure Kevin. This is an old video now. The system had changed and the only controllers available can handle 36-72 volts
I get my batteries built by Bicycle Motor Works, not many know of him as he does mostly 80 cc gas bikes. But he builds this nicest and most powerful packs at the best pricing. You just email him tell him what you need and how much from you have to work with and he will build you a powerful pack. My 72v 24ah he built can run 180a continuous. He also has some premade options like this bicyclemotorworks.com/product/52v-16ah-samsung-40t-high-output-lithium-ion-e-bike-battery/ That will definitely work for your setup. He also doesn't charge an arm and a leg for the USA made batteries like some other companies I seen do. Check hem out his name is Mathew and he will work with you for the perfect battery and his after-sale support is always there he will never disappear on you and continue to help you.
Other than that it's been a privilege watching you build this bike to where it's at now and it seems to be plenty of power to get to work and back. I went after some serious torque with my build which is why I didn't go high voltage and more towards higher amps. Even though its a hub motor, I have yet had a car beat me off the line at a stoplight. I'll be posting videos of it soon. working on a custom aluminum battery box. then powder coating once is done I will post videos of it. The bike is a custom-built Ruff Cycles Tango. You would like it.
The TREX freaked me and my dog out lol
Thanks. I will put the link in the description!
Does the asi controller have a pedal assist function?
Yes it will accept PAS sensors as an input device
Does this motor have a low voltage cuttoff?
The motor does not but you can set cutoff limits in the controller. Some batteries will also have a low voltage cuttoff in the BMS
@@HighVoltageKits how do you set it on the controller. Just curious. I'm ordering this kit tomorrow. 😊 As you are I'm also putting it on a hardtail steel frame.
Good point. If it is the stock controller then you would set them via the phone app. If you go with the BAC then they should be set already by CYC. They ought to be set already. I am not 100% sure how they are going about updating or setting the BAC firmware. You can message CYC direct via messenger and they will probably send you the manual if you are putting an order in. It is likely also available to download from the website.
@@HighVoltageKits I have one more quick question if that's okay. Do you recommend ordering the brake cut off?
@@HighVoltageKits not sure if the break cut off is needed with the BAC 2000
discord link expired?
Try this one discord.gg/pKHk5ej2GG
@@HighVoltageKits thanks i found it in your other video
Awesome 👌 see you on there