Fender Dave Murray Signature Stratocaster! - The Iron Maiden Legends Latest Strat With Fender!

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  • @robertburgess5273
    @robertburgess5273 2 роки тому +29

    Dave Murray is the reason I picked up a guitar in 1986 and started playing. I'm a huge Iron Maiden fan. Thanks for the video.

  • @rickycompton2610
    @rickycompton2610 2 роки тому +128

    This is a killer strat just wish Fender would reissue his black strat with the Dimarzio pickups and big headstock to me that’s the guitar I always remember him playing

    • @Ottophil
      @Ottophil 2 роки тому +10

      Yeah that sounds like it would be impossible to replicate with aftermarket mods

    • @JohnnyGuitaristOfficial
      @JohnnyGuitaristOfficial 2 роки тому +3

      Nice, yeah buddy...definitely has to have those nice juicy dimarzio pickups

    • @LOOSEbowelz
      @LOOSEbowelz 2 роки тому +14

      @Ricky Compton was actually the smaller headstock on that Strat...

    • @flaviopace4171
      @flaviopace4171 2 роки тому +8

      I’m totally agree with you. It’s a nice guitar this Mexican sunburst signature and it does its job completely. But I hope they will bring back the original American 57 strat with Dimarzio. It’s unfair that when it was on the market 10 years ago, I didn’t have money to buy it, and now that I could afford, it is out of stock for the market 😭

    • @Stitsel
      @Stitsel 2 роки тому

      @@LOOSEbowelz that's what I was gonna say.....

  • @fender
    @fender 2 роки тому +64

    Epic!

    • @ir0nm4id3n
      @ir0nm4id3n 2 роки тому +3

      Best fender guitar ever!

    • @happyninjafighter2
      @happyninjafighter2 2 роки тому +1

      @@ir0nm4id3n slow your roll there. I got a custom shop strat. Im only here because i need something with humbuckers, aber mein Schtratokazter hast single coilen! Wanna send me a free dave murray strat Fender?

  • @george.kollaros
    @george.kollaros 2 роки тому +45

    I liked the first Strat he had on the first albums with regular Dimarzio Super Distortion in the bridge and PAF in the neck along with metal rings.

    • @ChrisFranklyn
      @ChrisFranklyn 2 роки тому +3

      I agree, a guitar that's so f'ugly it's somehow beautiful again.

    • @wilhelmtheconquerer6214
      @wilhelmtheconquerer6214 2 роки тому +8

      @@ChrisFranklyn fugly? The black one looks badass! I wouldn't change anything about it

    • @ChrisFranklyn
      @ChrisFranklyn 2 роки тому +1

      @@wilhelmtheconquerer6214 oh, I love it, don't get me wrong. I plan to make myself a replica one day!

    • @elimarsilvanikock7818
      @elimarsilvanikock7818 2 роки тому +2

      thats my favorite compared with this one

    • @watvat8
      @watvat8 2 роки тому +1

      Has to be the coolest looking strat I’ve ever seen. It looks even sexier with a Floyd on it

  • @Mkemcz
    @Mkemcz 2 роки тому +27

    As always, Dagan can sell you anything and shred your face off while he's at it. Great presentation and phenomenal playing! \m/

  • @wvc5150
    @wvc5150 2 роки тому +7

    I’ve owned one of these for several years, although I swapped the rosewood board for a maple board neck. I love it, it’s very versatile and seriously meaty when using high gain. It’s beautiful and an absolute beast at the same time. If you can find one, I highly recommend picking one up, no matter the style of music you’re into playing. Cheers.

  • @tonefish3825
    @tonefish3825 2 роки тому +6

    We need a service industry for great players. I need Deegan to come and play my guitars. So that I could hear, "These guitars are great, flippin' fantastic!" every now and again.

  • @dougiedrever7168
    @dougiedrever7168 2 роки тому +12

    dave was the first guy ever to do the hsh pickup thing

  • @mac4564
    @mac4564 2 роки тому +21

    Got one for Christmas last year, absolutely awesome bit of kit.

    • @sirmaurice1023
      @sirmaurice1023 2 роки тому

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    • @sirmaurice1023
      @sirmaurice1023 2 роки тому

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    • @sirmaurice1023
      @sirmaurice1023 2 роки тому

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  • @sunnytaufiq07
    @sunnytaufiq07 2 роки тому

    Seriously... This is an amazing Strat. Last week my son tried he was in love with this Strat. And he played Maiden songs within the shop with 50w Fender Mustang. He was blown away. And the price was massive too...

  • @allanh46
    @allanh46 2 роки тому +1

    I saw it in the fender shop up the road. It stood out from the rest they had on the shelf. I loved the pearl pickguard and the natural wood finish. It really stood out in person.

  • @icu469
    @icu469 2 роки тому +4

    Nice for the heavy stuff. I have Fender strat with 3 DiMarzio dual rail pickups. A large percentage of your tone comes from the amp you use as well.

  • @angusorvid8840
    @angusorvid8840 2 роки тому +2

    The first time I played a Hot Rail, around '86, I thought it was a mini Bill Lawrence 500. Quite a powerful little pickup. I put one in my strat so I didn't have to play my Les Paul which was backbreakingly heavy. It made my strat a lot less stratty, and that was the point.

  • @rohantiwari7801
    @rohantiwari7801 2 роки тому +4

    My hero. Dave Murray.

  • @jasong546
    @jasong546 2 роки тому +3

    Such a great guitar and Dave is a hero of a player for many people including me. Up the irons!

  • @smoothoperator3123
    @smoothoperator3123 2 роки тому +2

    I own one of these guitars. It can do any genre. Best 1300 ive ever spent!

  • @scottpeters5260
    @scottpeters5260 2 роки тому

    Just bought a Japanese Reissue Strat.
    Brand New just like you walked into a Music Store in 1969 and said give me a Sunburst Strat. It's a 1969 Sunburst 4 Bolt no Skunk Stripe . Rosewood neck 9.5 radius. Has the Big Headstock of course, with the Iconic FENDER STRATOCASTER
    WITH SYCHRONIZED TREMELO
    WATER MARK DECAL.
    ADDING A Black DAVE MURRAY LOADED PICKGUARD. NO Hum nice and Meaty.
    My next one will be Maple Neck.

  • @saitenhexer
    @saitenhexer 2 роки тому +1

    My favorite Instrument for 5 years now 👍👍👍👍

  • @vinaymulukutla358
    @vinaymulukutla358 11 місяців тому

    I just bought one of these and got it delivered today. Such a rock solid guitar and it plays like butter.
    It is definitely one of the best heavy metal guitars of today, I mean it was co-designed by the main guitarist of Iron Maiden, how much more metal can you get than that in a guitar?

  • @ChrisFranklyn
    @ChrisFranklyn 2 роки тому +3

    I've wanted this guitar so hard for a long time. Damn you Dagan!

  • @jeffadams2789
    @jeffadams2789 2 роки тому +4

    Your awesome mate keep shredding...you have developed quite well .and I really mean that you are a good at what you do ......

  • @drcobra2071
    @drcobra2071 2 роки тому +1

    Wish I had a guitar like that Dave Murray always liked to play a start in iron maiden

  • @bigbermbikerchannel572
    @bigbermbikerchannel572 2 роки тому

    The sound is strong, the sound is awesome, it's a guitar of Dave Murray

  • @ITigerbaum
    @ITigerbaum 2 роки тому

    Even the “clean” sounds on this are wooly. Me likes. Love your playing!

  • @Z17xMachine
    @Z17xMachine 2 роки тому

    I been looking to get one. You are by far the best review of it on UA-cam. Thanks for sharing and going through all the sounds man. You rock!

  • @Deadhansome
    @Deadhansome 2 роки тому +2

    That sounds unreal!! Growls like a growly thing with growly bits on it!

  • @spiketrademark1099
    @spiketrademark1099 2 роки тому +1

    Just bought one, should arrive in the next couple of days.

  • @rocklandsally
    @rocklandsally 2 роки тому +2

    I built mine .. sunburst fender Strat.. added the pickups.. just normal wiggle stick.. added shiny pick guard.. love it.. but I still suck at playing..ool

  • @apologeticsguy
    @apologeticsguy 2 роки тому +1

    Love that rock tone! Considering this but didn't expect to hear you jam on Amazing Grace at 7:44! 👍

  • @AdamFreeman123
    @AdamFreeman123 2 роки тому +3

    Damn I want this guitar so bad - even though I've got the Jackson SL4X (with 3 Duncan Designed hot rails). Maybe it's because I'm a big Iron Maiden fan, maybe it's because Dave Murray is maybe my favourite guitarist, maybe it's because the sunburst looks badass... maybe all 3.

  • @staticnat7342
    @staticnat7342 2 роки тому +6

    If I had the money, I'd get this Dave Murray Signature for playing blues!

    • @Xaion6
      @Xaion6 2 роки тому +4

      I love playing blues with a floyd! If you do it right, you can do slide sounds! My Wolfgang and Dinky play blues reeeeeeealy good

  • @BlueAltaMultimedia
    @BlueAltaMultimedia 2 роки тому

    Way to play all of that maiden for your Dave Murray demo. Just leave that for everyone else on the internet reviewing Dave’s guitar.

  • @davidbloom2373
    @davidbloom2373 2 роки тому +1

    Very beautiful played

  • @philgreen-f6q
    @philgreen-f6q Рік тому

    What a versatile sound monster. I couldn't bring my self to sell what I have to get one. But would be nice to add to my collection. But will have to stay on the hanger for moment.

  • @paultuerena
    @paultuerena 2 роки тому +1

    Some lovely tones there

  • @joey_ruma
    @joey_ruma Рік тому

    Great video! I’m looking at adding this guitar to my collection. I have to say though, EVH was probably the original hot roddy guitarist to start modifying Strat style guitars with humbuckers and the Floyd Rose. 🤘

  • @JohnnyGuitaristOfficial
    @JohnnyGuitaristOfficial 2 роки тому

    Its a pretty sweet strat!! Im loving the floyd rose setup.... just only wish it was routed out for it.

  • @workerdrone4516
    @workerdrone4516 2 роки тому

    man alive that sounds gorgeous

  • @finishin.my.coffee8780
    @finishin.my.coffee8780 2 роки тому

    I briefly owned one of these a few years ago but I sold it because I wasn't getting along with the Floyd. Its a really nice guitar but changing strings and trying to tune it and lock it down to where it stayed in tune was exhausting. Dagan, I like that you used a Blackstar, which Dave has been known to use from time to time.

  • @bazburnside_official
    @bazburnside_official 2 роки тому +5

    I love this guitar but I wish it had 22 frets

  • @phenixreturns
    @phenixreturns 2 роки тому +1

    the clean sounds almost crunch lol

  • @davidbloom2373
    @davidbloom2373 2 роки тому +1

    Very cool guitar

  • @mathias6423
    @mathias6423 9 місяців тому +1

    Awesome guitar, I think I will save 300-400$/€ and go with the Player Strat polar white with black scratch plate with a HSS configuration and Floyd Rose, on that guitar you have like a recess slot under the bridge so that you can also pull out the trem arm a bit to also get the higher pitch which I like. I will go with the classic hot rodded setup and put a Dimarzio Super Distortion in the bridge and then go with a Fender noiseless "single" in the middle and then in the neck I am thinking about going with a Seymour Rail just like Dave has, awesome pickups.
    I am not sure what Floyd systems are in these player guitars but I am pretty sure it is the Floyd 1000 original which is what you really want and not that Floyd "special" imported system that breaks.

  • @FIFASEASONGAMING
    @FIFASEASONGAMING 9 місяців тому

    I have a custom shop Strat that’s looks almost identical to this without the Humbuckers and the Floyd Rose, but I’m about to buy this as I’m playing Dave’s part in a recently forming Maiden tribute band. Was hoping Fender would release a new signature version of this but in white and walnut neck that he’s recently had made for him but doesn’t look like they will.

    • @booshting3520
      @booshting3520 7 місяців тому

      Love his new walnut neck strat. I'd buy that today if they'd do it

  • @IbonIturrate
    @IbonIturrate 6 місяців тому

    I bought it. In the market from 2015 🤘

  • @RockCoversMusic
    @RockCoversMusic 2 роки тому

    Nice sounding Strat!!

  • @brianheale5064
    @brianheale5064 2 роки тому

    Love this guitar phenomenal great playing too

  • @stevenstatham2864
    @stevenstatham2864 9 днів тому

    The only reason I'd ever own any strat or strat body guitar. 3 words. Dave fuckin Murray

  • @MrFeric30
    @MrFeric30 Рік тому

    I was set on a Jackson Rhodes until I saw this. God damn it!

  • @Flopster2632
    @Flopster2632 2 роки тому +2

    I had one of these years back, I wish they did a USA one like they do the Jackson USA Adrian Smith. I mean it’s an original floyd rose, USA Seymour Duncan’s, mine was 2 piece alder body which was made in the corona factory and it’s legit out together in Mexico… it’s basically USA so I never got why they didn’t just make it USA which is a total gear snob thing to say I know but yeah £899 I payed and an original Floyd rose and the pre wired Dave Murray signature are that pretty much alone without the rest of the guitar it’s a steal really

    • @ChrisFranklyn
      @ChrisFranklyn 2 роки тому +2

      His actual stage guitars are all custom shop. I'm sure they'd make you one :)

    • @Flopster2632
      @Flopster2632 2 роки тому +1

      @@ChrisFranklyn I realise this I’m just really surprised they don’t have a USA one currently as it’s a pretty popular guitar I loved mine

    • @raytorvalds3699
      @raytorvalds3699 2 роки тому

      That was a steal for sure ! Congrats !

  • @darkman237
    @darkman237 2 роки тому

    Mint indeed!

  • @arsinix13
    @arsinix13 10 місяців тому

    I need one to go with yjm strat to me they are the ultimate shred strats

  • @guitarristahobista
    @guitarristahobista Рік тому

    I have one of these. How do I lower the strings since the bridge is not carved into the body wood?

  • @phenixreturns
    @phenixreturns 2 роки тому +1

    i am sure a Charvel hh or hss would be better for shred
    mine sounds great but not for the clean tones

  • @IvanXman
    @IvanXman 2 роки тому +4

    No. THE MOST hot-rodded guitar from the 1970s was the Eddie Van Halen's Frankenstrat assembled by Eddie himself (R.I.P.) who was not only The Guitar Legend but also a truly talented technician and experimenter. Period.

    • @chancemiller9340
      @chancemiller9340 2 роки тому

      The Dutch are famously excellent engineers.

    • @Kylora2112
      @Kylora2112 2 роки тому +6

      Eddie built a Partscaster; Dave hot rodded a '57 Strat. Slightly different distinctions there :)

    • @chickentwisties2298
      @chickentwisties2298 2 роки тому

      Yes but Dave was the first to do the HSH combo.

  • @JJames666male
    @JJames666male 2 роки тому

    The opening song sounds like a Battle hymn on crack ahah.
    If it wasn't sunburst i might seriously consider buying this.. I might buy the loaded pickguard though, Dave's lead tone is my absolute favorite

  • @samcohen2483
    @samcohen2483 Рік тому

    I wish they'd offer this exact guitar with a maple fretboard.

  • @torahwarrior2442
    @torahwarrior2442 2 роки тому +2

    Make your own one up...installing a floyd might be a bit tricky ...who wants to cut up a strat body?

    • @bread6085
      @bread6085 2 роки тому +1

      Floyd rose makes a trem that is designed to fit into a strat style guitar. No modifications to the body needed!

    • @somedaysometime
      @somedaysometime Годину тому

      @@bread6085what's it called?

  • @lewischappell335
    @lewischappell335 Рік тому

    Awesome! We’re you in a band called Peep Show??

  • @petermorgan9420
    @petermorgan9420 2 роки тому

    Awesome

  • @braddeicas5708
    @braddeicas5708 2 роки тому

    Up the irons! Damn!

  • @peterklein5861
    @peterklein5861 2 роки тому +1

    Anyone know how Dave Murray uses the middle pickup? I've thought about putting this set of pickups in my Mexican Standard but can't see myself using anything besides the two Hot Rails.

    • @Nghilifa
      @Nghilifa 2 роки тому +4

      He uses it for cleans these days. He was never much of a "neck-pickup-for-cleans" type of guy.

    • @DallasLangdon
      @DallasLangdon 2 роки тому +1

      Dave either uses the middle position or 2nd position for cleans with the volume rolled back a little bit if in 2nd position

  • @drcobra2071
    @drcobra2071 2 роки тому

    Good guitar to shred on

  • @glenkepic3208
    @glenkepic3208 2 роки тому

    Cool but should be Black with a DiMarzio PAF and SuperDistortion.
    Saw them twice after buying Killers. Gave 'Scorps a tough time.
    Late '80s, Saxon ........
    Stop by GC about 10 years ago.
    I point at a blk Strat, "
    "I don't know what they were thinking about that'' from a young worker there.
    Short history lesson :)
    I believe Dave won this Paul Kossoff Strat thru Melody Maker magazine.
    Maybe it was a sunburst first.
    Need to look for Back Street Crawler....

  • @scottdickinson7156
    @scottdickinson7156 2 роки тому

    Seeing as though the Floyd doesn't pull up, does this make restringing it easier?

  • @drcobra2071
    @drcobra2071 2 роки тому +1

    Awsome

  • @johannessilver8653
    @johannessilver8653 Рік тому

    Dave is one reason I took a guitar at hand. What is the price of this?

  • @christophervincent8420
    @christophervincent8420 2 роки тому

    Killer guitar

  • @barry3045
    @barry3045 8 місяців тому

    If it had the larger headstock it would be perfect

  • @victorramsey5575
    @victorramsey5575 2 роки тому

    I wish Fender would release a Doug Aldrich "beat all to hell Strat"!!

  • @phenixreturns
    @phenixreturns Рік тому +1

    only 21 frets so no way guys !

  • @fivethumbs6118
    @fivethumbs6118 2 роки тому

    What song is at the beginning

  • @philmus1
    @philmus1 2 роки тому

    I don't think many jazz chords are played on that guitar very often!

  • @johnholmes125
    @johnholmes125 2 роки тому +1

    The thing is ??? will it chugg

  • @che2335
    @che2335 2 роки тому

    Finally a strat w some ballz

  • @taz4965
    @taz4965 2 роки тому

    A bit of Dee is much appreciated

  • @stevengraham5454
    @stevengraham5454 2 роки тому

    How much is it?

  • @lovecraftmusic8717
    @lovecraftmusic8717 5 місяців тому

    Huge Maiden and Dave fan here but the sunburst finish I couldn't ever stand it... Turn it white with a white pickguard (like on the Maiden England '88) and voilà.

    • @booshting3520
      @booshting3520 2 місяці тому

      That was an ESP

    • @lovecraftmusic8717
      @lovecraftmusic8717 2 місяці тому

      @@booshting3520 I know... I'm talking about the color, not the brand.

  • @kirkscobey3031
    @kirkscobey3031 2 роки тому

    Wish I liked FR trems but never use trems anyways!

  • @xenonstudios888
    @xenonstudios888 2 роки тому

    The guitar is good. But I wouldn't primarily use it as a shred guitar.

  • @IanMcD204
    @IanMcD204 2 роки тому +1

    I guarantee Fender would sell more of these if it had 22 frets.

  • @SvenTheSveed
    @SvenTheSveed 2 роки тому +1

    Great but it's been out of production for almost 12 months

  • @paydro248
    @paydro248 Рік тому

    Tall guys like Dagan and Mayer make Strats look so tiny.

  • @pmay222
    @pmay222 2 роки тому +1

    i think the adrian smith wossisname . ? charvel strat is better value...or was it a jackson.. ...anyway...it bought me 'sanctuary from the lawwwwwwww....'

  • @charliemale3674
    @charliemale3674 2 роки тому

    Traded mine in for the lazarus epiphone much happier now

  • @jasmith85
    @jasmith85 13 днів тому

    Work of the devil with the Floyd Rose

  • @lpc_mirror
    @lpc_mirror 2 роки тому +1

    22 frets would have been better

  • @phenixreturns
    @phenixreturns Рік тому +1

    lol the neck pickups does not sound as clean as it should be: a too much powerful pickup
    not strat at all

    • @booshting3520
      @booshting3520 Рік тому

      That would be because its got different pickups in it, brainiac

  • @adhaskym.a9536
    @adhaskym.a9536 2 роки тому

    Why not Made in USA? Is he not worth it?

  • @phenixreturns
    @phenixreturns 2 роки тому

    only 21 frets, no boost
    no good neck joint
    no tbx
    about the versatility ? I don't know
    except that it's a good model for those who don't need all of that

  • @bratskiy.ostrog
    @bratskiy.ostrog 2 роки тому +1

    Охуенный инструмент!

  • @phenixreturns
    @phenixreturns Рік тому +1

    21 frets is a nonsense

  • @nigelpearce703
    @nigelpearce703 2 роки тому +1

    🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂 more bs and overpriced guitars. Take Clapton, blackie was a fucking partscaster ffs. Yet Fender charge how much? I encourage all players to be yourself.

  • @DatMetalBoi75
    @DatMetalBoi75 2 роки тому +1

    Dagan could sell a spoon to a heroin addict

  • @mo8755
    @mo8755 2 роки тому

    Showing off 🤔

  • @phenixreturns
    @phenixreturns Рік тому

    I hope you did not say it's good for funk -blues lol

  • @christianweber1900
    @christianweber1900 2 роки тому

    Ich habe sie enttäuscht zurückgesendet. Sie ist herausragend schlecht verarbeitet. Für diesen Preis gibt es deutlich besseres....