That was probably the best part of the movie. I was laughing my ass off at the theater thinking: there is an astronomical chance that this wasn’t connected to that Kevin Smith’s spider joke.
Kevin said it amazes him how for all those years, he was influenced by pop culture...and now pop culture is being influenced by him. He also said he wished he could've seen Jon Peters' face when the giant spider shows up in the third act of the movie. "See? I told you it would've fuckin' worked!"
I love how when he says Wild Wild West about half the audience gets the joke before he spells it out, because they saw the movie and knew it had a giant fucking spider in it.
A steam punk western with motorcycles or robotic horses would be cool. Hollywood would never do it because they're creatively and financially bankrupt.
CharliePUNKROCK Baker no other people love to hear him talk. That's why the pay him to go to colleges and do Q and A' s. Oh and all the podcasts he does that people listen to.
This really helped me realize how terrible movies can be made with such great teams of professional writers, actors and set designers. It’s because quite often a team of 400 people have to cater to the delusions of one or two producers that have absolutely no clue what a good movie looks like. Hollywood is so messed up
I about fell out of my chair laughing when I saw that. I went into that movie completely cold and it was like watching The punchline to a 25-year-old brick joke.
the giant spider actually got recycled into Wild Wild West which came out the following year and was produced by the same guy Kevin is talking about here
He's probably just told the story to people a bunch of times. Maybe this was his first time with a big audience, but he probably had it pretty polished from telling family and friends.
He tells the same stories a lot. People naturally refine and perfect stories like a set in a comedy routine or something overtime. He’s still a great storyteller regardless.
@@BareBandSubscription also, he is a director. and he is famous one. And regardless of whatever you say of his recent movies, he is one of the rare ones who has "made it" in Hollywood-has a podcast, is a producer, a comic book writer etc. etc. So, what i meant to say is - he has lifted projects from just being story ideas - to the level of execution into a succesful movie/comic book series- which means, he has presented stories to producers and financers in the best way possible, to get the financing of the movie. SO, of course he is a great story teller! Anyone can come up with ideas, not many ideas come to fruition, coz they get axed by financers, coz they didnt present it the way the producer could understand, which could give them the $$. You have to SELL a story, a project, an idea - to get it into motion. Kevin smith may have told this story many times to his friends, at parties, and also to other producers. But I know for a fact - that any movie director who is working today in show business, and has a long career - be it spielberg, Nolan, Tarantino , del Toro, or anyone - they definitely know how to tell stories, whether be it with a camera held, or just speaking to someone. And they tell it in a great way-maybe funny, maybe sad, maybe grandiose. But they are great storytellers-coz these succesful auteurs know how to do, what is called in the corporate world - a presentation. maybe on a MSslideshow, or maybe with pictures by hand. Here you can see kevin selling the story in a way only he could, and we the audience are loving it.
So what I'm getting from this is: Kevin Smith is funny as hell, John Peters is a maniac, Tim Burton refuses to step outside of his Inner Circle (surprised he didn't insist on casting Johnny Depp as Superman), and we all are better off for this movie having not happened.
SHONUFF - Gaming and Guy Stuff That actually makes a lot of sense. I still don't feel like he has any business making grand, executive decrees without getting more experience in the industry.
If you watch the Death of Superman Lives documentary, you might see it in a different perspective. Jon Peters is still a nut-job, but Tim Burton's ideas about the character and the look were actually really interesting. Superman Lives would have been a big, crazy, action-packed sci-fi version of Superman, with a visionary director and a fascinating actor. I don't know about you, but I'd take that any day over the safe-as-bubblewrap Superman movies we have gotten since.
If Superman's Fortress of Solitude is in the Antarctic, then it doesn't make sense for there to be any polar bears there, since their native range is mainly limited to the North Pole. You'd have to rewrite the scene so that Brainiac is razzling penguins or something. But that could still work, because, as everybody knows, penguins are the fiercest killers in the bird kingdom.
one of the funniest parts of this story to me is that Jon Peters kept bringing up animals and asking if Kevin knew about them, but Peters himself didnt know some pretty basic facts about the animals he was bringing up. polar bears are found in the arctic, so writing them into a scene taking place in Antarctica wouldnt make any sense, and spiders are not the "fiercest killers in the insect kingdom", as spiders are not even insects.
He is a nut, the dude denied saying the suit was "too faggy" and that Superman shouldn't fly. Either he's a liar, or he was high on coke in the mid 90s.
And this is exactly why the two decade long production process for The Flash movie has been such an incredible nightmare. 7+ directors were either fired, quit, or left to work on other productions because of "creative differences" When one or two sets of writers and directors leave for creative differences its not a big deal, but when over 7 of them in a row leave, it's the studio, not the director.
I'm not a huge superhero fan or even a huge fan of Kevin Smith really, but this is probably the funniest story I've ever heard. His deadpan delivery is gold.
Jon Peters produced Man Of Steel as well, that's why Kal El fought a Giant World Engine machine, and there was a glimpse of a polar bear while they were in the Arctic. As for the gay robot?
People like this producer are why the Marvel Cinematic Universe is an absolute MIRACLE. Every time someone says they are tired of superhero movies, I tell them "I get it. But you have to at LEAST respect what Marvel has done."
I'm randomly rewatching this video right now - headphones in - and my husband, unaware of what I'm watching, says, "Did you hear about Kevin Smith? He had a massive heart attack." I had no idea. Very weird coincidence that I happened to watch this today... Praying for as quick as a smooth a recovery as possible.
as hilarious as this story is....its also very depressing to know that a person like john peters produced a lot of big movies back in the day....I want to be a producer god damnit ...apparently any asshole can do it
CazzSDMF You are right, on the surface. But after having watched Death of Superman Lives, I actually kinda see his side of it. The guy is obviously out of touch with the world as it is, but his points were in the right place: *He wanted a Superman that was unlike how we had seen him before, so as to separate him from the previous film adaptations (thing Adam West to Keaton Batman) *He wanted to get away from the unarguably hokey flight scenes of Superman gliding against a green screen, so we needed something that looked more powerful. Granted, these are taken literally in this story, but I see the need for a variation. *And the Giant Spider would look cool. Superman always fights a similarly overpowered villain. It took literally a monster to finally kill him. So I see the desire to have him face something that we, visually, have never seen him faced before. Yes the 'World Engine' from Man of Steel was "The Giant Spider" in context, but, it was still a cool hurdle for Superman to face. His line "..from the streets" while ridiculous, is likely supposed to actually mean a more hardened variation of Superman, who fights and moves like a normal human would, as opposed to, again, the previous incarnations that always seemed to look hokey in battles (the awkward Superman kicks and magical 'S' bag thing) That's why Man of Steel fought hard to earn the viewers respect with such intense battle sequences. Again, Peters is ridiculous, but he fought for things that were necessary, and he was pushing for some impressively forward-thinking elements, like a potentially homosexual representation in a major superhero blockbuster, in 1997. That is surprisingly open-minded. After taking this into account, I kinda wanted this movie to happen.
whoa man, you have a lot to say, I watched the death of superman lives as well...but right now I do not feel the need to read ALL of that right now lol - will try and get back with ya another time :D
Nesasta Well the studio gave Jon Peters Superman because of his success with Batman & Batman Returns, then Batman Forever. But when Batman & Robin came out it all fell apart, then Wild Wild West, and then Sphere. Then that's when it all went to shit, Warner Bros Animation was closed down, and hundreds of people lost their jobs... Except for Jon Peters who went out and had Superman Returns. Luckily Man Of Steel was his last because I think he is no longer in charge or producing anything in the DC properties
Dr. Dhoom I know, well he has more control over thelicense since they keep making Superman films while he technically owns it so it will never be released from his grasps. I'm just glad he's letting other people take of it
+Nesasta It still kinda works like this... Sometimes. Producers are insane and/or very intrusive. If I remember correctly, one producer messed up X-Men 3 and Rise of the Silver Surfer. Even Fan4stic had TONS of producers fucking shit up besides the director. It's the film making industry, man. It's all fucked up.
They were his enforcers. He can't be everywhere at once, his totalitarian supocracy needs everyday police, and plus as one of Darkseids generals in the bad future he probably has to leave Earth periodically to fight for his Masters wider empire, and you can't have the Resistance getting up to kryptonite shenanigans while you're gone now can you?
He wants to be about positivity at this stage of his life. I can’t be mad. People are way too generous with destructive criticism and negativity in this world, especially on the Internet, where people are able to talk vast amounts of shit under a cloak of anonymity. And frankly, a lot of that is what led to Will Smith slapping Chris Rock in front of the entire world. Complimenting something or someone rarely has negative effects. But dissing someone or something that someone holds dear can literally lead to loss of life. Just saying. Sorry to go into a sermon.
There was a bit of an update to this one. Apparently John Peters had a script done for a movie adaption of Neil Gaimans Sandman that had, you guessed it, a giant fucking mechanical spider. Gaimann thought it was the worst script he had ever read and very agressively moved to get it canned lol
Not only did the guy not know anything about Superman, he also doesn't know anything about spiders (not insects) or polar bears (not found in the Antarctic)
This is one of the greatest bits of storytelling/picture-painting I've ever heard. I watch this about 2-3 times a year, just for the pure enjoyment of it. If I'm ever feeling a bit down or rough, this picks me up immediately. It's just so funny, detailed, flows, etc. I'm not a writer so I don't know all the reasons, I just know that this is my one go-to/return UA-cam clip, and if it ever goes away, I'm screwed. Jon Peters sounds like a knob-and-a-half, and is probably responsible for so many big "summer tentpole" movies being such mindless, formulaic horseshit.
Thank god Kevin didn't die from his heart attack. It would've been so tragic. Really great that he changed his life around, losing weight and keeping his health a first priority.
Seeing the flash, seeing Nick Cage jus made me laugh but I didn't know the significance of the spider...I now know 🤦🏿. Geez this director was a train wreck. How did he think any of that was going to work and why the heck is he obsessed with spiders
So I'm sitting in the theater watching the Flash... and then all the sudden, like a giant fucking spider shows up.
This line immediately played in my head when I realized what was happening right before the reveal 😂
You mean thanagarian snare beast 🤣
When I saw it at the movies I died laughing
That was probably the best part of the movie. I was laughing my ass off at the theater thinking: there is an astronomical chance that this wasn’t connected to that Kevin Smith’s spider joke.
Kevin said it amazes him how for all those years, he was influenced by pop culture...and now pop culture is being influenced by him. He also said he wished he could've seen Jon Peters' face when the giant spider shows up in the third act of the movie. "See? I told you it would've fuckin' worked!"
I love how when he says Wild Wild West about half the audience gets the joke before he spells it out, because they saw the movie and knew it had a giant fucking spider in it.
Geotpf right! Oh man, so dumb!!!
@@82Jaster *WHAT THE FUCK*
@@82Jaster If there's gonna be a live adaptation of Red Redemption in the works. I hope Jon Peters and Warner Bros don't involved😳😱
A steam punk western with motorcycles or robotic horses would be cool. Hollywood would never do it because they're creatively and financially bankrupt.
Haven't you done enough damage, Mr. Peters?
This is why Kevin Smith is only ever able to answer 1 audience question per show.
yeah...its annoying as fuck. this guy loves to hear himself talk.
Right? this is one of the funniest stories that I've ever heard.
CharliePUNKROCK Baker this entire anecdote is what got me into Kevin Smith years ago. It's brilliant.
It is funny, but the damn audience is like a teenage girl with a crush laughing at everythiiiing, that is annoying.
CharliePUNKROCK Baker no other people love to hear him talk. That's why the pay him to go to colleges and do Q and A' s. Oh and all the podcasts he does that people listen to.
This really helped me realize how terrible movies can be made with such great teams of professional writers, actors and set designers. It’s because quite often a team of 400 people have to cater to the delusions of one or two producers that have absolutely no clue what a good movie looks like. Hollywood is so messed up
Producers and Hollywood Execs are the bane of the industry.
Video game studios are exactly the same. Exactly. The. Same.
So, the other day I was watching The Flash. And all of a sudden this Giant Fucking Spider shows up.
I about fell out of my chair laughing when I saw that. I went into that movie completely cold and it was like watching The punchline to a 25-year-old brick joke.
It's almost unbelievable how well the Wild Wild West Robotic Spider closes off the story.
I feel bad for anyone who hasn’t seen wild wild west. Literally just Smith saying Wild Wild West had me in fucking tears
You CAN’T make this shit up… not kidding, man!
i've listened to this a bunch of times, never gets old, Kevin Smith is so damn good at telling stories
He WAS good at telling stories. This Kevin Smith is long gone.
@@jjamiejackson care to explain?
@@jjamiejackson Meaningless comment.
BigBird Music I think what they mean is Kevin’s movies haven’t been all that good anymore. Like, it’s been a decade or so since his last good movie.
@@dougdougw Hahaha you're funny in a hipster way.
"So I'm sitting in the theater watching The Flash..."
That producer is what's wrong with the industry.
One of many things. One of many.
he actually used the giant spider with tentacles in man of steel (the world engine)
the giant spider actually got recycled into Wild Wild West which came out the following year and was produced by the same guy Kevin is talking about here
Yeah, Kevin says that, literally, in this clip.
I don't know, Superman had robot guards in All Star Superman. A fight between them and Brainiac could've worked...
I can't believe this wasn't a prepared speech. It is way too smooth. Kevin Smith is insanely good at telling stories.
Amazing that one question from the audience launched him into a 20 minute story.
He's probably just told the story to people a bunch of times. Maybe this was his first time with a big audience, but he probably had it pretty polished from telling family and friends.
@@Agret That's nothing. He once answered a question for around 50 minutes, transitioning between two different stories.
He tells the same stories a lot. People naturally refine and perfect stories like a set in a comedy routine or something overtime. He’s still a great storyteller regardless.
@@BareBandSubscription also, he is a director. and he is famous one. And regardless of whatever you say of his recent movies, he is one of the rare ones who has "made it" in Hollywood-has a podcast, is a producer, a comic book writer etc. etc. So, what i meant to say is - he has lifted projects from just being story ideas - to the level of execution into a succesful movie/comic book series- which means, he has presented stories to producers and financers in the best way possible, to get the financing of the movie.
SO, of course he is a great story teller! Anyone can come up with ideas, not many ideas come to fruition, coz they get axed by financers, coz they didnt present it the way the producer could understand, which could give them the $$.
You have to SELL a story, a project, an idea - to get it into motion. Kevin smith may have told this story many times to his friends, at parties, and also to other producers. But I know for a fact - that any movie director who is working today in show business, and has a long career - be it spielberg, Nolan, Tarantino , del Toro, or anyone - they definitely know how to tell stories, whether be it with a camera held, or just speaking to someone. And they tell it in a great way-maybe funny, maybe sad, maybe grandiose. But they are great storytellers-coz these succesful auteurs know how to do, what is called in the corporate world - a presentation. maybe on a MSslideshow, or maybe with pictures by hand.
Here you can see kevin selling the story in a way only he could, and we the audience are loving it.
Kevin Smith is the fiercest killer in the Hollywood kingdom.
This story takes on a completely new life after you see Bradley Cooper playing John Peters in Licorice Pizza
he even uses the phrase "we're from the streets"
@@PeterZeeke Wait, I have to see this now???
@@mouse059 1:21:46 in the movie to be exact
And now his appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience.
@@crowtservo that shit was wild lmao
The mark of a great storyteller is pausing to bask in the wave of realization that slowly washes over the crowd before the punchline. That was great.
Just saw The Flash...and i guess Jon Peters get the last laugh.
He saw his asinine dream fullfilled not once, but TWICE
Who's here after The Flash!? We got the Superman vs Thanagarian Snare Beast fight! 🤣
It is not a spider.
It is a thanagarian snare beast.
I absolutely died the second I saw the giant spider in the movie
Me too! I laughed my ass off in the theater.
And now here we are, years later, and we finally get to see Nicholas Cage fighting a “Thanagarian Snare Beast”.
WHEN THE SPIDER CAME OUT IN THE FLASH I FLIPPED SHIT
A very good story teller.
Now I kinda want him to direct a big-budget Superman movie. At the very least you'd know his heart was into it.
Yeah I fucking wish I could tell a story even half as good as this
he’s like a foul mouthed Mark Twain
So what I'm getting from this is: Kevin Smith is funny as hell, John Peters is a maniac, Tim Burton refuses to step outside of his Inner Circle (surprised he didn't insist on casting Johnny Depp as Superman), and we all are better off for this movie having not happened.
SHONUFF - Gaming and Guy Stuff
That actually makes a lot of sense. I still don't feel like he has any business making grand, executive decrees without getting more experience in the industry.
I think you're right about all of it except this: Jon Peters is rich. When you're rich you're not a "maniac"--you're " eccentric."
gspendlove
Ah, yes, I forgot about that.
If you watch the Death of Superman Lives documentary, you might see it in a different perspective. Jon Peters is still a nut-job, but Tim Burton's ideas about the character and the look were actually really interesting. Superman Lives would have been a big, crazy, action-packed sci-fi version of Superman, with a visionary director and a fascinating actor. I don't know about you, but I'd take that any day over the safe-as-bubblewrap Superman movies we have gotten since.
You know... if anything, I'd take Batman V Superman over Jon Peters' Superman movie.
I just saw The Flash, where Nicolas Cage as Superman fights a giant spider... Looks like it happened!
You just came here after watching Flash, didn't you?
I got you.
I can't imagine a Kevin Smith superman film being about anything but Clark hanging out at the Daily Planet all day
Dude the script is online. It's awesome. Especialy the Doomsday fight.
Him and Jimmy Olsen talking about the Death Star, going up to the roof to play hockey....
I'd pay good money to see that.
But was he even supposed to be there that day?
Jimmy : I'm telling you, Clark, some of our columnists are real freaks! They even like it when you go ass-to-mouth!
Clark : **drops coffee mug**
here after the flash.
If Superman's Fortress of Solitude is in the Antarctic, then it doesn't make sense for there to be any polar bears there, since their native range is mainly limited to the North Pole. You'd have to rewrite the scene so that Brainiac is razzling penguins or something.
But that could still work, because, as everybody knows, penguins are the fiercest killers in the bird kingdom.
Cast some Adélie penguins and it just might work. Those little guys are hardcore!
Tim Burton is several steps ahead of you on this
Actually the fortress in in the north.
Kevin just mixed up the arctic and Antarctica.
Just came from see the flash... I was the only moron nerd laughing at the theater
one of the funniest parts of this story to me is that Jon Peters kept bringing up animals and asking if Kevin knew about them, but Peters himself didnt know some pretty basic facts about the animals he was bringing up. polar bears are found in the arctic, so writing them into a scene taking place in Antarctica wouldnt make any sense, and spiders are not the "fiercest killers in the insect kingdom", as spiders are not even insects.
maybe he meant "of" ie preying upon insects?
Though actually the fortress in the arctic Kevin just said Antarctic inexplicably
In the end, it is Kevin who doesn't know those basic facts, as the whole story is made up
@@camilocuesta you can read Smith's script online. You'll find many of the details Peters demanded are in it.
Well the fortress of solitude is in the arctic so there could be polar bears around.
The giant spider showed up, people.
Watching The Flash last night sent me here.
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We got Superman fighting the spider in 2023
Based on this, Jon Peters must be an absolute nut.
Standard studio mogul really.
I would say he's a douche who doesn't know the concept of story. Let alone what a superhero should be
He is a nut, the dude denied saying the suit was "too faggy" and that Superman shouldn't fly. Either he's a liar, or he was high on coke in the mid 90s.
@@TheGonzoArt And thus giving us a darker period of superhero movies, until the X-Men and The Nolan Trilogy came along.
The Flash brought me back lmao
the funniest thing is like 2 decades later some DC writer gives Superman robot guards in his fortress of solitude.
Kept coming back to this over the years. Genuinely feels like a comedy routine, absolutely brilliant story
Me too. Like twice a year. Makes me happy every time.
Me three. Kevin Smith is an amazing storyteller?
The one redeemable quality about the Flash
"Polar bears are the fiercest killers in the animal kingdom....."
"...This dude has WAY too much access to the Discovery Channel"
Genius.
Kevin Smith should write a script in a Clerks-like essence about his experience making this movie.
It’s funny because I saw this years ago and the flash finally paid this off
And this is exactly why the two decade long production process for The Flash movie has been such an incredible nightmare.
7+ directors were either fired, quit, or left to work on other productions because of "creative differences"
When one or two sets of writers and directors leave for creative differences its not a big deal, but when over 7 of them in a row leave, it's the studio, not the director.
This is what Justice League needed!, a giant fucking spider :)
I'm not a huge superhero fan or even a huge fan of Kevin Smith really, but this is probably the funniest story I've ever heard. His deadpan delivery is gold.
You know why I’m here
spiders are the fiercest insects in the animal kingdom
He said "Insect Kingdom"
Spiders arent insects though
@@mkprocter882 They are if you're Jon Peters
Jon Peters produced Man Of Steel as well, that's why Kal El fought a Giant World Engine machine, and there was a glimpse of a polar bear while they were in the Arctic. As for the gay robot?
CavemanJesus4Life well I mean . .. . there was that weird robo thing that attacked Lois.
+TomboTime The robot is from the Byrne comics, here are some references: screenrant.com/man-of-steel-movie-easter-eggs-trivia-comic-book-references/
airixxxx oh . . . neat.
+CavemanJesus4Life Have you noticed the soldiers in the Dawn of Justice trailers?
MirrorDimly
Yes I have, I think its a nightmare scene from Batman POV. And somehow hints at Injustice
This had no business being this funny 😂
I'm here because of Nic Cage's Superman fighting a giant spider in The Flash (2023) ^^
People like this producer are why the Marvel Cinematic Universe is an absolute MIRACLE. Every time someone says they are tired of superhero movies, I tell them "I get it. But you have to at LEAST respect what Marvel has done."
@Bruce S Do you read comics? Because like 90% of the Avengers comics are crap.
Agree with the X Men though.
Bruce S Why has to do about what Andrew is saying?
Keep your hate aside for a moment
Spoilers for the Flash:
We finally got Nick Cage fighting a giant fucking spider
I'm randomly rewatching this video right now - headphones in - and my husband, unaware of what I'm watching, says, "Did you hear about Kevin Smith? He had a massive heart attack." I had no idea. Very weird coincidence that I happened to watch this today... Praying for as quick as a smooth a recovery as possible.
Hope you two are still married
@@Meme_Lor I hope they’re divorced
as hilarious as this story is....its also very depressing to know that a person like john peters produced a lot of big movies back in the day....I want to be a producer god damnit ...apparently any asshole can do it
CazzSDMF Maybe you should take up hairdressing?
CazzSDMF
You are right, on the surface. But after having watched Death of Superman Lives, I actually kinda see his side of it. The guy is obviously out of touch with the world as it is, but his points were in the right place:
*He wanted a Superman that was unlike how we had seen him before, so as to separate him from the previous film adaptations (thing Adam West to Keaton Batman)
*He wanted to get away from the unarguably hokey flight scenes of Superman gliding against a green screen, so we needed something that looked more powerful. Granted, these are taken literally in this story, but I see the need for a variation.
*And the Giant Spider would look cool. Superman always fights a similarly overpowered villain. It took literally a monster to finally kill him. So I see the desire to have him face something that we, visually, have never seen him faced before. Yes the 'World Engine' from Man of Steel was "The Giant Spider" in context, but, it was still a cool hurdle for Superman to face.
His line "..from the streets" while ridiculous, is likely supposed to actually mean a more hardened variation of Superman, who fights and moves like a normal human would, as opposed to, again, the previous incarnations that always seemed to look hokey in battles (the awkward Superman kicks and magical 'S' bag thing) That's why Man of Steel fought hard to earn the viewers respect with such intense battle sequences.
Again, Peters is ridiculous, but he fought for things that were necessary, and he was pushing for some impressively forward-thinking elements, like a potentially homosexual representation in a major superhero blockbuster, in 1997. That is surprisingly open-minded.
After taking this into account, I kinda wanted this movie to happen.
whoa man, you have a lot to say, I watched the death of superman lives as well...but right now I do not feel the need to read ALL of that right now lol - will try and get back with ya another time :D
CazzSDMF It's an anecdote. Half of it is made up of course.
oh of course... not really, but of course
Honestly, I'd like to see Jon Peter's version of Superman. It'd be fucking hilarious.
It’d basically be The Room with a script by Kevin smith
The polar bears and the giant f'n spider (World Engine) were in Man of Steel, with Jon Peters credited as executive producer
And five years later . . . .
It's really depressing to know how Hollywood works, or atleast how it use to work.
Nesasta Well the studio gave Jon Peters Superman because of his success with Batman & Batman Returns, then Batman Forever. But when Batman & Robin came out it all fell apart, then Wild Wild West, and then Sphere. Then that's when it all went to shit, Warner Bros Animation was closed down, and hundreds of people lost their jobs...
Except for Jon Peters who went out and had Superman Returns. Luckily Man Of Steel was his last because I think he is no longer in charge or producing anything in the DC properties
Dr. Dhoom
I know, well he has more control over thelicense since they keep making Superman films while he technically owns it so it will never be released from his grasps.
I'm just glad he's letting other people take of it
+Nesasta It still kinda works like this... Sometimes. Producers are insane and/or very intrusive. If I remember correctly, one producer messed up X-Men 3 and Rise of the Silver Surfer. Even Fan4stic had TONS of producers fucking shit up besides the director. It's the film making industry, man. It's all fucked up.
How it used to work? Look up the circumstances behind Adam Sandlers Jack and Jill, on the surface a horrible movie but beneath an actual legit scam.
Nesasta its still the same
This video is going to be popular again shortly.
someday the development of the new ghostbusters will be explained this way.
Except it will span 25 years.
Superman Lives! (In the Flash)
I return to this recounting every 5 or 9 months. It's like reading a favorite short story.
WB still have the same mentality today. Haha
"I’m like why would Superman need guards? He’s Superman…"
And here we are with Superman soldiers in Batman Vs Superman's dream sequence...
+Leon Idris Azevedo Or the ones in Injustice.
Seems like you didn't understand what the dream sequence was about.
It was his army not guards.
They were his enforcers. He can't be everywhere at once, his totalitarian supocracy needs everyday police, and plus as one of Darkseids generals in the bad future he probably has to leave Earth periodically to fight for his Masters wider empire, and you can't have the Resistance getting up to kryptonite shenanigans while you're gone now can you?
Well what was that dream sequence about...in fact, what was BvS about in general? I sure as hell don't know...
this story of how the film was never made is now a film lol, the death of superman lives.
Perfect example of why some producers like Jon shdnt be given any creative control.
Rip John schnepp
The Flash brought me back here.
9:29 - I kinda miss this Kevin Smith where he actually called out bad movies. Nowadays, the dude likes EVERYTHING.
He wants to be about positivity at this stage of his life. I can’t be mad. People are way too generous with destructive criticism and negativity in this world, especially on the Internet, where people are able to talk vast amounts of shit under a cloak of anonymity. And frankly, a lot of that is what led to Will Smith slapping Chris Rock in front of the entire world. Complimenting something or someone rarely has negative effects. But dissing someone or something that someone holds dear can literally lead to loss of life. Just saying. Sorry to go into a sermon.
This story is so engrossing, I share it as often as I can with people and they always love it.
No matter how much his film output has declined in quality for me, this man is still one of the best orators and on-stage storytellers out there.
There was a bit of an update to this one. Apparently John Peters had a script done for a movie adaption of Neil Gaimans Sandman that had, you guessed it, a giant fucking mechanical spider. Gaimann thought it was the worst script he had ever read and very agressively moved to get it canned lol
The Wild Wild West / Spider punchline was gold.
HILARIOUS!!!!!
well, he got the spider...
We've come full circle thanks to The Flash. Never thought I'd see the day
And now Jon Peters can die a happy man
If you watch "the death of superman lives what happened" you'll get the whole inside on this. I was at the premiere this weekend and it's awesome
Who came here after watching the Flash 2023 movie?
This guy could do stand up if he wanted to....His timing is perfect😂
His youtube channel is , to me lol
The whole story is one giant set-up about the spider in Wild Wild West and it's amazing
The structure of this story telling is soo good, K.Smith, i love how u think, thx
Kevin smith is a fantastic story teller, I can listen to him ramble on for hours.
Now all I can picture is Bradley Cooper chasing after two women going "You like peanut-butter sandwiches?"
Here after watching the Flash 2023.. with Nicolas Cage and the Kryptonian Snarebeast cameo!
superman razzlin chewy haha
I got your fuckin' Chewy right here.
I never appreciated how fantatstic a storyteller Smith is until watching this.
Kevin Smith greatest quote. I GOT YOUR CHEWIE RIGHT HERE! (Grabbing his crouch)
What I take away from this is that...producers are out of touch weirdos who unfortunately have to be entertained or else no movie is going anywhere.
jon peters MUST HAVE been doing coke during this whole pre production.
Kevin smith best in the industry in his nomal guy moments baffled by what his hears
Superman lives needs to be made. Combination of Smiths script, Burton’s vision. And Jon Peters polar bears and giant spiders. 😂
It would've been incredible!
This story is somehow ten times funnier after seeing Licorice Pizza.
Wild wild west was created only to be the punch line of this story. Amazing
This story has aged so well
I admire Kevin as much as he admires superheroes. He brings me nothing but joy.
Not only did the guy not know anything about Superman, he also doesn't know anything about spiders (not insects) or polar bears (not found in the Antarctic)
I've always wondered what Jon Peters thought of Eight-Legged Freaks
Vote up if you think Jon Peter was on something.
18 minutes in and when the audience hears the title of the film... And realises where he's been going for all that time... Friggin priceless!
Seeing this makes me scared that WB will never truly know what their doing
I can hear him talk all day.
Came here after The Flash
This is one of the greatest bits of storytelling/picture-painting I've ever heard. I watch this about 2-3 times a year, just for the pure enjoyment of it. If I'm ever feeling a bit down or rough, this picks me up immediately. It's just so funny, detailed, flows, etc. I'm not a writer so I don't know all the reasons, I just know that this is my one go-to/return UA-cam clip, and if it ever goes away, I'm screwed. Jon Peters sounds like a knob-and-a-half, and is probably responsible for so many big "summer tentpole" movies being such mindless, formulaic horseshit.
After so many years we could see Nick Cage fighting the fucking spider.
Thank god Kevin didn't die from his heart attack. It would've been so tragic. Really great that he changed his life around, losing weight and keeping his health a first priority.
Glad he lost all that weight and is taking better care of himself. Great storyteller.
That Kevin is dead.
The think Kevin is a total sell out. Became what he hated.
Seeing the flash, seeing Nick Cage jus made me laugh but I didn't know the significance of the spider...I now know 🤦🏿. Geez this director was a train wreck. How did he think any of that was going to work and why the heck is he obsessed with spiders
cuz they're the fiercest killers in the insect kingdom!